Pablo Torre Finds Out - Fowl Shots: The Untold Story of Brickin' for Chicken (PTFO Vault)

Episode Date: November 27, 2025

The gimmick seems simple: If a visiting player misses two straight free throws, every fan gets free chicken. But in this tale of psychology, philanthropy and unintended consequences, nobody wants to admit the truth. So we teamed up with Amin Elhassan to investigate an NBA conspiracy — and chase down Giannis Antetokounmpo. Literally.(This episode originally aired April 24, 2025.)• Subscribe to Pablo's newsletter for exclusive access, documents and invites:https://pablo.show/ Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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the best shows and the best episodes list right now in the Apple Podcast app. So thank you so much for listening. Thank you for making clear what Apple Time, Apple Time actually means. And today, you are going to find out what this sound is. That's why I'm signing, Milwaukee, so I can get free, secretly for life. Right after this ad. Let me just close out all the windows on my computer. How many tabs do you have opened on a given day?

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I can't believe my life is like this. I can't believe you've been on this assignment for us, that your life is like this, by the way. Yeah, no, you know what, man? Sometimes there's like a calling that happens. I imagine this is what those pigs they use to find truffles. Yeah. This is how they feel, right?

You get that scent, and now I can't stop. Stop. I keep going deeper and deeper and deeper. We've been arguing already about can we even show the footage that you've collected that I have not even seen yet. And I don't know if legally we're allowed to, but we'll get to that, I guess. But like, we're talking about blurring and voice modulating. And this is sensitive in a way that I did not presume when we assigned you this. This is one of those things. I remember in the wire that said you follow drugs.

You get drug addicts and drug dealers. But you start to follow the. money and you don't know where the fuck is going to take you. I felt like I followed the chicken and I ended up some weird places. Most importantly, places where nobody wants to talk about this. Your enthusiasm to talk about brickin' for chicken. Yeah. And the resistance you have faced around the sport that you know as well as anybody.

Explain why you've been eager to talk about this for people who don't know what any of this even is. Truth be told, you could be a huge NBA fan, watch tons of games on TV, but if you've never been to an NBA arena, you may not even know this promotion exists. In the fourth quarter or in the second half of games, depending on which arena you're in, when the opposing team is at the free throw line, if they miss two free throws in a row, everybody in the building gets free chicken. Brickin' for chicken. But there was one moment on national TV that has,

happened where the announcer let the viewers at home know, hey, this is why everyone is going crazy. All right, it's that time for chicken, free chicken. This is a playing game. The winner plays against the Knicks as the 7th Seat. I remember this acutely. Right? The loser then has to go and play against Chicago, so you might not even make it to the playoffs. This was deep in the third quarter.

The six years, I remember, had blown a leave. They were awful. They were getting booed at home. And booze raining down. Here are the first half from the frustrated Sixer fans. And then, midway through the third quarter, the heater up 11, Caleb Martin, who is usually a dependable free-throat shooter. This is one. And then...

Yes. And the crowd explodes. My oh my, it's so easy to make people happen. Apparently the chicken is very good. I felt that in Mike Green's loins, by the way. Yes. Yes. But the crazy thing here is they've done the charting of what the wind probability was for the heat.

At that moment in time, it was upwards of 80%. It was in the bag. And that moment is the moment where everything changed. And you see the wind probability descend, descend, descend, descend, until all of a sudden you got a Sixers win. And that promo, Pablo, save them. So the argument you are making here is that Brickin' for Chicken is changing meaningfully the course of basketball games in a way that has even exceeded the whole novelty, marketing, sponsorship kind of design of it. I'll take it one step further.

Dan Levitard thinks it saved the Sixers organization as a whole. This organization was ready to crumble last night. And then free chicken arrive. Yep, Chick-fil-A. And it made everything better. It's an actual nightmare. Like, the idea that Chick-fil-A is what did this is just, it's unfathomable. There's the graphic right there.

Look at it. The inflection point, the cliff. Clearly. The cliff that the heat fall off is directly overlaid onto the moment when, chicken was up for grabs. It's insane. And yet it's undeniable what happened there. And so this is one of those moments, I think, where you got something that you want from

the marketing side, right? You got something that you want to galvanize the fans with. And then you got something that basketball ops, right? The coaches, the front office are like, hell yeah, this can help. When you get all three of those things in the same place, that's business nirvana. Business Nirvana for the NBA. Also, I am told, reliably, a business nightmare for Metal Arc Media,

which has funded truly a new high when it comes to the we paid a mean what to investigate what the fuck graph. Pablo, like I told you earlier, you follow a chicken, there's no telling where you might end up. And where I ended up was in some weird places

investigating one of the 75 best players of all time, right? and in the process, completely ruining my reputation in the NBA, which already wasn't stellar to begin with. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That was a risk that I was expecting to have, didn't expect it to get this dangerous this quickly, though. For the truth, it's all worth it. So this is a, in other words, psychology experiment that we're watching play out,

and I want to get into the minds of the players. I mean, you promised me entree into the psychology of NBA players who have all of this at stake. But in terms of how this stunt originated, where does that begin? Well, as with a lot of conspiracy theories in this country, it starts in our nation's capital. Well, I'm vice president of global partnerships at monumental sports and entertainment. My name's Lou Streddler. I started here way back 1982, so this is my 43rd year.

So this is the man behind this promotion, the man who thought, it up. He is the big wig exec for the Washington Wizards who, in essence, makes the partners, which is the corporate sponsors, dreams come true. Which is a hard thing to do over 43 years when you're selling the Washington Wizards. And he's been tasked with coming up with a promotion that helps the local Chick-fil-A franchisees get more foot traffic in the door. And that franchisee was a man named John Natoli. What John Natoli said was, hey, what we found is, For most people, if they try our chicken, they come back. But how do we get them to try it?

So Lou says, I got it. We'll run a promo where we give away chicken when some sort of event happens. Now, what kind of event could that be? Could it be when the wizards make two free throws? And then we said, wait a second, that could be negative. Our players could get booed. If they go and make the first free throw and miss the second,

they'll get booed for missing. So we've got to do something where everyone is incentivized to keep rooting for this. Right. No matter what. Where the business side, where the basketball of the wizards lose side is protected. And also the Chick-fil-A side gets what they want. Gets what they want. I said, wait, let's concentrate on the visiting team doing something that will generate excitement from Mars.

This is the brilliance of it. This is almost, in a way, recession-proof. Hey, what if we're down 50? They still can miss two free throws in the fourth quarter. So it is something that has- It's repeatable. It's repeat. Yeah.

So there's no point in time where you're like, well, that promotion's over up until literally the final buzzer. It's funny just to remember how like golf works and golfers hate when the crowd is interfering with their rituals, how their sport has always operated. How did the NBA react to, yeah, a bold stunt like this? Well, it was an instant hit, right? And it should come as no surprise. Fans love it, of course.

I got free chicken. Chick-fil-A, the sponsor, loved it. Hey, we got the thing that we wanted. We wanted people walking through the door. But the players, though, how did they feel? Well, according to Lou, the Wizards players loved it, including one guy in particular. Absolutely.

The name comes to mind real fast, Marching Gortat for the Wizards. Marching Gortat is, Soon as this happened, would stand up, grab a towel off the bench, and start shaking it over his head to bring the crowd support. Marchand Gortad was so great that they called, they kept calling and saying, ask Marchant when he wants us to deliver sandwiches. Did Martin Gortat actually get the chicken he was promised? Did he get a chicken? They do him a party.

It was catered and everything. John Nautoli, that Chick-fil-A franchisee was there, Luce Ruddler was there, and Marchant Gortat was there. That's what I'm talking about. Well, you guys got everything I ask for. You cause a big hubbub. Listen, all I know, we got to come up with a different rule. Two free throws, two miss, free throws, it's too much.

Two miss is too much. And the Chick-fil-A cow. Of course. We'll come back to that a little later. So I do want to point out something about pro athletes, which is, yes, all of them can afford lots of Chick-fil-A. Yes. But there is something about watching a Polish-born

NBA player with like a Zangif Mohawk, just like enter into a room in America full of free chicken that feels like kind of the dream he was promised. And then like a real American, feel entitled enough to say, the threshold is too high, two mis-free throws,

what do we do? What is this? Communist Russia? No, it needs to be a turnover, right? He's consistently campaigning to lower the threshold to get more free chicken. More free chicken.

And at one point, John Natoly even promises him, Hey. Let's do that. We'll have the cow bring it down the locker room. All right. We got it. All right.

We'll do that. Any home game now? Any home game you guys? Do we have a chick feel at the arena? Yes. Perfect. Can we have someone from the staff bringing a little box? We'll bring it down.

Just go old chick fillers and maybe like, you know, 10 cents. We're just on the fours with pepper jack cheese. Absolutely. Hey, if you guys get up by enough points, we'll bring it to you on the bench while they're shooting a free throws. That's right. All right. And this.

phenomenon was such a transcendent moment that, as it tends to happen in our league, copycats start happening across the league because the league has this group called team bow, team business operations. What they do is they take best practices and they spread them to everybody. So they're like, hey, this promotion in Washington works really well. Everyone else should do it. And so what you see now is across the league, almost half the league has a chicken giveaway based on missed free throws.

So much so to the point, Pablo, that now the wizards are being targeted for it. They are now, instead of being the beneficiaries of this great promotion, they are now the victims. Just the other day in Philadelphia, a young wizard's player named Kobe Jones received a new nickname from his teammates because of his exploits during the giveaway.

Why do they call you Chick-fil-A? I sold when we played Philadelphia. I missed two free throws. Four straight. Four straight. And I gave, I think I fed the whole. the city of Philadelphia. So Pablo, you might detect a certain note of joy coming from Kobe Jones.

He has a new nickname. He has a new identity that I now will think of every time I think of Kobe Jones. But the crazy thing is, I listen to that sound. I don't hear the talk about the nickname Chick-fil-A-N-Chic, whatever it is. What I hear is, I think I fed the whole city, right? I think I fed the whole city. And that's what got me thinking. Wait a second.

What if this isn't just guys getting rattled at the pretext? What if there are guys out here who are doing a solid for the road crowd? Hold on. So you are alleging that these NBA guys, because of this incentive structure, with free chicken, are betraying their franchise by taking free chicken and giving them to the people. Okay, two things. One, I'm not alleging anything. I'm asking questions, Pablo.

And two, I'm not the only one asking these questions. Take a listen to Chris Miller and Drew Gooden on The Wizards broadcast. talking about Tristan Thompson at the free throw line in Washington, D.C. Last year he shot 29% from a free throw line and couldn't think of a better person at the free throw line because if he misses this, oh, the fans are going to get some chicken. Oh, he's on purpose.

Feds are happy, but the calves get the basketball back. Did he do it on purpose? I wouldn't be surprised. He's the man of the people. A man of the people. Look, that's someone asking the question that I was asking, but you don't have to take it from me or Drew Gooden or Chris Miller because Spencer Dinwiddie owned up to it.

Take a look at this tweet exchange. So fan tweets to Spencer, I hated watching you miss these fourth quarter free throws, but thank you for lunch tomorrow. And this is what Spencer says back. Miss the second one on purpose, wanted everybody to eat like the squad, shrug emoji. Okay.

Now, in the case that I know you are trying to build, there is clearly also just some guys trying to, spin their own failures into something positive that they can then, you know, make jokes about. I thought you might say that, right? I thought you might say that you thought that I might say that. We could do this all day. But I have prepared evidence of a player not only claiming it, but claiming it in the moment. I present to you, Exhibit C, Boban, Marianovic.

Fans are getting excited here. There might potentially be some Friedin chicken on the board if he misses the second. free throw. Oh, man, free chivalry on the board. So that's why the fans are getting a little, little floppy. Oh, they're pointing to, he's playing with the crap. Here's your job.

Ah, man of the people. He's a man of the people. Goose bumps. I'd forgotten about that. Goose bumps. For people who forgot about this, dude, that's an eight-point game with four minutes and chains left in the fourth quarter. And Boban actually did very clearly say,

I'm going to miss this and then missed it. If you are one of the people who's listening and not watching the video, he is pointing at himself out, I'm going to miss it, and he's looking at the crowd, he's going to miss, he tells his team. It's such an insane video. A build up to it. It's not just, like, it's not the Spencer Dinwiddie where he misses it. I meant to do that.

He is calling his shot like Babe Ruth, pointing to the outfield, right? He's like the opposite of Babe Ruth. Well, yeah. All of these guys on a relative basis are themselves like sideshows? These are, relatively speaking, scrubs, Kobe Jodes, Kristen Thompson this season, Bobon. These are a circus acts in a circus promo, just having fun off to the side, basically.

I thought you might say that. And this is the whole point of my investigation. Follow me, if you will, right? What if I told you that the guy that this story is really about isn't a side show or a scrub, as you very, very disrespectfully call those? I do want to apologize. What if I told you?

Actually, this guy is a former MVP. No, a former two-time MVP. You might know him by his own nickname that wasn't given to him by his teammates after failure. No, it's given to him because this guy is a freak of nature, the one and only, Yonnes Santo de Kumpo. First of all, I'm supposed to be Vegas right now. I'm supposed to be Vegas right now, you know.

Patti. but I'm here in chicken filet. Can I have a 50 piece? Sorry, I'll put you, can I put your camera? Do you mind or no? Sure. I just, there's 150,000 people watching you right now. Really?

Yes. So can I, can I have, please, a 50 piece Mac minis, 50, exactly. Not 51, none, 49, chicken minis, yes. 50. And let me have a large drink, no ice, half spry, Half Sprite, half lemonade. Thank you. So you might be asking yourself,

how much does Yana San Antonio de Kupo love fast food chicken? And the only answer I can come up with is as much as any human being has ever loved anything in the history of mankind. I'm getting free chick filet for life now. I want free chili for life.

There's no way. That's why I'm signing me walking. So I can get free chick fillet for life. So there's all of these. documented instances of Janice professing his love for chicken. There's a time he showed up to a press conference with a bucket of chicken wings. There's a time where he tweeted about Rosco's and how much he loves Rosco's and wishes they would open one in Milwaukee.

There's the trip to China where he goes and he professes love for chicken feet. Is there anything you want to try the enough to be yet to do it? I don't know. Can you guys recommend me something? We try the chicken feet? I love chicken feet. You know chicken feet? I love chicken feet.

Okay. I now am remembering how Janus, you know, won all-star MVP and decided to celebrate in the way that you are alluding to. So what's it feel like to finally win this thing? Winner, we need a chicken dinner. And yet, none of this has to do with the promo that we're talking about in me. So this is his love of chicken in general, but what about how he's interacted with the incentives that we're dissecting? Okay, so here's a video of him. at a Milwaukee Bucks game where there's a chicken giveaway,

while the opposing team is in a chicken scenario. Speaking of wings. Oh, everybody gets wings. Free wings from Wistock. Three D. Anderson. He's scanning it. He's capturing the moment. He's getting the...

He wants to get the QR code to get his free wings. He's on the bench, obviously, it's end of the game, and he pulls a phone out to scan the QR code for the free chicken giveaway. way that they're given to the fans. He's so enthusiastic about chicken and about the promo. He wants in on it like everyone else in the arena. It's such ridiculous video that I'm overlooking the fact that Yannis just had a cell phone on the bench, by the way.

You never know. You never know when a QR code might pop up, Pablo. But, okay, so granted, fair. But in terms of his personal at the line performance, not as a spectator, right? not as Marching Gortat but as somebody with something to lose or in this case win how does he do?

So in essence, Pablo, what you're asking me is we've seen him be the marching Gortat of this kind of rooting for it for the home crowd but have we ever seen him be the Bobon where he's on the road and he's... That is the investigation. Okay, this is what I'm going to tell you right now when it comes to chicken eligible free throws

Yanis Sanan Ducco is the Robin Hood of chicken giveaways. So now we're at the tabs open on, now both of our computers. I'm trying to run through the research here that you've assembled for a term that you dropped on our audience as if anybody would know what the fuck you're talking about. Yes.

But chicken eligibility. Yeah. What I've found, Pablo, is when you are investigating ground that has not been sullied by human feet, right? This is fresh snow. this is untouched by humanity. You have to create metrics to measure the things that no one even considered.

And so we came up with this term, chicken eligible shots. Because, all right, the way the promo works, in case you haven't figured out by now, you miss the first free throw, you miss the second free throw, everyone wins free chicken. If the opposing player makes the first free throw,

guess what? We don't care what happens on that second free throw shot, right? So the only way we can figure out if you're handing out chicken as an opposing player is if you are converting on chicken eligible shot. So that's the second missed free throw after you missed the first one. Right. You've created a helpful graphic year, chicken eligible, parentheses CCE, any free throw where a miss on that individual shot would result in the activation of a chicken-based promo. Yes, precisely.

We have another term we need you to understand. Why? Because metrics. We have to build metrics off of this. It's not enough to say, hey, how many chicken eligible shots did he take? Oh, sorry, you're moving us from counting stats now to... Efficiency, which is the key to any good metric is we want to know how efficient you want. I did.

Of course. Of course I must agree with this. And here's the graphic, the chicken conversion rate, which is your chicken eligible misses divided by your chicken eligible attempts. In essence, this number gives you the efficiency you have at providing chicken to 20,000 people. So just to over-explain this, CCR is the rate at which a player will miss a free throw with chicken on the line. Yes. And so, Janice Adedocompo, when it comes to his conversion rate, when he's chicken eligible, I mean, is what? So his CCR, over the last two years, 80% of the time he's got an opportunity to get you chicken, he comes home with it.

Eight out of ten times, Janus is converting free chicken for the crowd. Yeah, he's shooting 20%. Yeah. That's pretty bad. It's awful. Yeah, but he's also a bad free throw shooter, though. Sure. Yeah, I mean, look, he's not great at shooting free throws, right?

Overall in his career, he's in the 60 percentage spot. But here's the crazy part. When you look at his quarter by quarter free throw percentage for this year, let's say, right? He shoots 64% in fourth quarters of games. He's a pretty, like, for his standard, pretty good free throw shooter. The only time we have a drop is when he's shooting prethrows

versus when he's shooting free throws with chicken on the line. And then that drop goes from 64% all the way down to 20%. Pablo, that is the difference. That delta that we have there is the equivalent of Steph Curry shooting a free throw versus Shaquille O'Neill. You're telling me that this guy

who's not a great free throw shooter. I mean, famously people count down. Crowds are mocking him by pointing out how long he takes to shoot a free throw. Even that guy you're saying even that even though even though.

Even that guy you're saying becomes that much worse when there is this incentive at stake. It strains quidulity. I don't know if I'm saying that word right. I think stunningly you might be. Okay. It strains it though.

It strains my credulity that you know to pronounce credulity. So it's strange credulity to believe that someone who is bad at free throws is magically horrendously worse only when there's a chicken giveaway. This is where I just need to continue to channel the Sloan Sports Analytics Conference and point out that the theater, and it is convincing theater, graphical theater, full of lots of terms, the theater you're giving us is kind of small sample size theater. Like, I'm looking at the graph when you say 80% and I say 8 out of 10, I mean, we're talking about 10 shots here. That's not a lot. It's 10 shots for chicken, right? Because here's the crazy part.

When it comes to giveaways of any other sort of variety, pizza, ice cream, hot dogs, whatever it is, he shoots his regular free throw percentage. But when it comes to chicken, he shoots the absolute worst. And Pablo, this is where all of that context we ran through where you're like, why are we seeing all these videos and clips and stuff? That's why, because this guy has a demonstrated connection with a love for fast food chicken. I wish I had a Charlie from, it's always Sunday in Philadelphia, bulletin board here, where I could have some strings and attach all the connecting factors here. He loves chicken, and he wants to share that love with everyone. What does Janus have to say about all of us?

Well, Pablo, I had the same question. So I went home to Phoenix to see the Milwaukee Bucks play the Sons to ask Janus, So you land in Phoenix, you land back home, and the Bucks are visiting. They're the road team. There is chicken in the air. Yeah. But you want to go ask questions, journalistically responsible questions, of the person that we are theorizing about.

How hard was that? You know, it wasn't easy, right? Because I don't know if you know this. NBA shootarounds. What they do is they do their practice, their little morning walkthrough on the day of the game. But then they don't let the media in until the very end, which allows for players. to escape without talking to media if they don't want to. And I had been warned that Yannis notoriously does not talk to media.

He has a reputation, if you're not familiar with the reputation, that he doesn't, for all the videos we played, doesn't actually like giving time to us journalists. And yet, I saw him and I try to catch up with him. This is a video of you running through the tunnel. That's that patented amino acid. It's printing speed. Just missed them. Just missed them.

We'll get to the bottom of this. They're going to try and sneak him out the back way, but we're going to get to the bottom of this. That was that episode of Severance. You're running down hallways that don't go anywhere. And so I'm trying to catch up with Yannis, but he's a big guy with big strides. So I did the next best thing.

When I got to the game later that evening, I went to locker room availability, and I tried to talk to one of his teammates about it. I don't know if you've noticed this. You know, some of these arenas have a free giveaway if the opposing team misses two free throws, right? Sometimes it's chicken, sometimes it's pizza, something like that. Even though Yannis shoots better in the fourth quarter on free throws,

when it's the chicken giveaway, he tends to miss those. Why do you think that is? I don't think there's any reason for shots going or shots don't go in. It's just end the game. I mean, to clarify why the thing we alluded to do before, we actually did need to do here. The doctoring, the voice modulating, the blurring of this. Secret video. Why is this so secret? Why aren't we seeing and hearing what you heard and saw? Because the moment I asked the question, I was asked politely to leave. They didn't want any questions about this whatsoever.

The question you asked as soon as you articulated, which we did hear, the implication becomes, wait a minute, I should answer this very carefully and perhaps not at all. There was a weird energy around this. Clearly. From the approach on Yannis to entering the locker room to the conversations afterward, all of it felt like the Bucks wanted nothing to do with this. And we reached out to Yannis directly through his agent to talk to him. That was rebuffed as well. Right.

I mean, we've tried. Even the beat riders, by the way, guys that cover the bucks on a day-to-day basis. When I tried to talk to them about it, everything was like, nope, don't want to be involved in it. Because they were worried, I think, like how that would refer. on them. This is the part where I say, I'm risking my reputation here for you, for your show.

This is where, as I was hearing what was transpiring, I was like, oh, so the Janus that is the most vocal global ambassador for chicken, in this regard, is the exact opposite.

Right. And the general, by the way, the flavor around even the champions of chicken, like, I mean, it's worth pointing out, too. eventually, we here at Pablo Tori finds out, we reached out to Margin Gortat.

And his response was what? How would you describe that? I won't describe it. I'll just show it to you on the screen. And so this is his response to our request for an interview, quote, sorry guys, but don't really see that laughing emoji. With the, like, sweat bead. Yeah, with the sweat bead on it, exactly.

Me talking about chicken, gridded teeth emoji. Dot, dot, dot, gritted teeth. Pablo, that's not the response of someone saying, hey man, I don't feel like talking about this. That's not the guy we saw in the video who was like having a chicken party. Right?

Like, who was requesting that the threshold be lowered on what the chicken giveaway is. This is someone, again, who does not want to be on the record of this. And you know what? It reminded me of Pablo. It reminded me of a prior episode of PTFO when we went to go see the haunted hotel

in Oklahoma City, remember? And Nate Robinson, who had experienced supernatural activities there. When we reached out to ask him and he said, no, I don't want to talk about that. And he texted something very similar, right? Like, you can pick up the telltale signs of someone who feels disincentivized to have anything to do with this conversation.

So Janus doesn't want to touch this. The people that we think would want to touch this actually do not at all. But there is a game that night. Yes. And so what happens when the ball is tipped? An NBA heavyweight matchup highlights the bill on this Monday night with two teams in full fight mode down the stretch. It's a Sondon box here in the PHX on Arizona's family sports. So fast forward to the fourth quarter because that's the only part that anyone cares about.

It's the chicken giveaway, which in Phoenix, by the way, it's called a foul shot. Right, F-O-W-O. Yeah, see, it's a double entendre. So Sons are up two. Yannis gets fouled. About two minutes, 19 seconds left in the game. He goes to the free-throw line. He misses the first one.

And then this is what happens on the second movie. You hear that, Pablo? They're not counting like they usually do. They're not booing. They are going nuts. And in the corner, I don't know if you saw it. The little chick-fil-a cow? Oh, I saw.

Oh, the same cow that was with Marching Gortat, loose other. Yep. Is back dancing its ass off. God. It could not have been scripted any better. I mean, again, rational brain wants to be. to enter the conversation.

Okay? So as much as it's a signal that something that is total proof of your theory is happening. I mean, like, it was a, that was a two, I'm looking at the score. Yeah.

That was a two-point game. The Bucks badly needed this. Right. The whole theory that Janus is being incentivized because of his love of chicken and because of his love of, frankly, humanity. Mm-hmm.

The theory that he's doing this on purpose. I mean, again, They need these wins. I mean, why? Why would he do this? Well, why would he do it in general, regardless of whether the game is on the line or not? It's a lot of things. Maybe it's, again, he loves sickening.

He wants everyone to have it. Maybe it's because, hey, this is my weakness that everyone jeers and mocks me for. That turns into something that makes me a little bit more affable, right? Maybe, hey, guess what, Pablo? Ever look at the All-Star voting? You know who's number one? Not Steph Curry, everyone's darling. Not LeBron James, the greatest player ever, according to some people.

Not Victor Wenbanyama, this phenomenon. The number one all-star vote guy in the league is Janice Anadacupo, who plays for Milwaukee. It's not like everyone in Wisconsin turned out to stuff the ballot boxes. Wait, you're saying that Janice Anadacompo has been using chicken the way Elon Musk has been using money to win elections? I mean, look, what I'm saying is this guy's really popular. It's a quid pro chicken. He's really popular, Pablo, more popular, arguably, by the metrics. than LeBron.

It is a shot. I did not realize that. That is actually quite shocking. And on the other hand, he loves chicken, right? And you bring these two things together. I'm giving opposing fans, opposing fans. It's one thing to win over 20,000 people in Milwaukee. It's another thing to win over 20,000 people in 29 other NBA arena.

He's campaigning across the aisle. Yes. That's basically what he's doing. He's reaching across. And it's working. It's working. We're now, we're firmly in the realm of trying to climb into the mind of someone who does not want us to see inside.

You know, Pablo, there is one person I didn't talk to who could address those things, the inner psyche of Yanenana de Kumpo, who knows him better than anybody on the face of the planet. It's his brother. I don't know. You're going to have to talk to the Nassi San An Anir Kumpo.

I mean, I guess I can totally believe that you have dragged me to this point, but it's time for us to make one more call. So the very first thing that you need to know the guy I'm about to call here, is that he is Janice's older brother. One of five Anandakumbo brothers in all, four of whom, by the way, have made the NBA, which is its own incredible story. But the Nasus Anadacombo, crucially, is the only Anadacombo brother to have played alongside Janus.

The Nasus was a third stringer when they won a title together in Milwaukee in 2021, and the two are so close to this day, that the Nasus still lives and works in Milwaukee right alongside Janus, whom he calls his best friend and his partner. And so while Thanassas's two-time MVP-winning brother would not take a call from Pablo Torre finds out, most especially during these ongoing NBA playoffs,

thanasus, I was told, actually would. Because Thanassas and I also happen to share something very important in common. an incredible affection for the truth. One of my nicknames is truth-teller, because if you don't tell the truth, if you don't say that the way it is, they won't listen to you.

And this is a lesson, it turns out, that Thanassas has been heeding at home with Janus and in locker rooms around the NBA, and also now on his own podcast, which he titled Thadalysis, which is, you know, a pretty good name. Got it a bit. And so at this point, I just decided to ask the Nasus straight up about the truth behind Brickin for chicken.

Is that the one with the free throws? And they miss frittes. You get the chicken. Brickin for chicken. Brickin for chicken. Wow. You know, one time, we actually was looking at the gentleman. I was trying to get our phones to get the scanner to get the same discount, too.

Which you may now recall from earlier in this episode with Amin, when we. We talked about that game where Yanis somehow had a cell phone on the bench, was trying to scan that QR code off the Jumbotron to get free chicken, alongside everybody else in the building. And this memory got the NASA's thinking about a different game, actually, from a few years ago in Atlanta. You want to hear a story? We come in, and this guy had to be 2022 or 2021, one of the years.

We come in third unit, third string. We come in, you know, China, 4th. finish the game. You know, it's always not the best. You know, sometimes sloppy, sometimes it's okay. You know, just not the best time to be in. But I'll take it. You know, I'm blessed.

I'll take whatever I can get. Eleven different Atlanta Hawks players have scored here tonight. Thanasis going for his first points. So I'm shooting the free throws. And I missed the first one. And everybody's going ballistic. And I'm like, what? I look around.

I'm like, why is everybody so hype? And as you could hear, it's getting very loud because it is found. And then, you know, I hit the second free third. I hear this, oh, deflation. No chicken for you. Shut up. And then I was like, why is everybody, what did I do? Why is everybody, was everybody like boring and yelling?

He's like, no, it was free food. That's why. And a coup droves depriving these Atlanta people of much needed nourishment. Was any part of you, the Nasus? Yeah. If you were aware, if you were aware of the free, free food you could have given that city. Yeah.

Is there any part of you that was like, man, I wonder what would feel like if I missed the second one? No, a part of me would have said, make both and I'll buy you guys dinner. I'm not missing a free throws, man. Dinner's on me. It's okay. You know, I'm allowed to make my free throws. Well, this is the thing I'm fascinated by is that the crowd is trying to root you on. Yeah.

But the opposite, right? They're trying to, they're actively trying to get you to miss. because the free food thing is a magical lure. What I'm curious about is whether you're aware of how much free chicken your brother Janice has won people around the NBA. So I'll tell you this. They usually free throws, those free throws come in the clots. In the clots, he makes them.

Like he doesn't miss the clots. Maybe in the beginning, they don't have that offer in the beginning in the game. So I don't know specifically, but I would assume these are definitely giving out, like, food. Definitely. This is the funny thing, okay? Mm-hmm. In the past two NBA seasons,

Yeah. Janus has had 10 chicken eligible free throws. Okay. Okay? So this is the second crucial free throw with chicken on the line. We call them chicken eligible free throws. Okay. And he's had 10 of them, and he has missed eight of them.

So what do you mean? So he gave eight of them he gave chickens, chicken, big and chicken to people. Oh, he's a philanthropist. That's good. That's amazing, man. Who doesn't love a free chicken? He is the league leader in chicken eligible conversion rate. No one has given the MBA more free chicken in that way than your brother.

He is the Robin Hood of free chicken. Wow. That's good. I'm going to tell him that. But, you know, I'm afraid if I tell him, he's going to not miss now. He's going to think about it and not give him no more free chicken. chicken. So I'm not going to say anything. I'm just going to lay the rock. I'm just going to lay a rock. What's just funny is that like the love you get

though. So we went through and just watched what it's like when you miss the second free throw and you do when your brother does what you refuse to do because you sank that second one. Man, it is like they would have voted him for president. Yeah. It's just it's an amazing thing. Even though he's not American. It was just crazy. We're living in crazy times, man. That doesn't really matter anymore. We can do whatever we want. But here's the funny thing. I am now curious.

Do you think there's any part of your brother in his mind, deep in his brain, that is hearing the applause and is thinking to himself, maybe I should just miss the second one. No, I don't think he's just like me. No, he's not missing anyone. I'm not going to lie to you. He's just like me. I don't think he thinks that he's so zero dean.

And when I say zero, he's so laser focused that he's thinking, like, I'm going to make two feet throws. And it is what it is. I'm going to do my best and my ability to make him. The statistic I have to follow up on that, though. To continue this investigation is that we also tracked

Janice's free throw percentage when it came to other types of food that were on the line in promotions. Okay. So the non-chicken foods. Okay. Non-chicken food eligible free throws over the past two seasons.

Yeah. With non-chicken eligible shots, he made five of eight. He doesn't want to give people a bad product. He only wants to give him what they want the most. They want chicken. That's what they want. I don't think there's a bigger truth you could tell, Thanasis,

than what you just said, that people want chicken, and we got to give the people what they want. That's how you build your legend. That's how you become this phenom. Give people what they want. Thanasis out of the cumber A true truth teller Thank you for solving a mystery

that I can now finally have some peace about Put the rest, okay? Man, thank you so much, ma'amu. Thank you. Thank you. Any time. And at this point, there was only one thing for us left to do.

It was time to summon our intrepid correspondent back into our studio for a piece of something else. So, Me and Al-Hasson, I just have one last thing to tell you, which is that thank you for not bricking this assignment. And as your award, we got chicken. Okay, all right, so this is the part where I have to admit.

It's not just Yonis who's crazy about chicken and free chicken giveaways. Yeah, the least shocking twist of this story. is that both of us, honestly, are fucking starving. Bones? Mm-hmm. Ooh. Honestly, yeah. Flavorful.

I get it. I get it. The honest, I don't know if you're doing it on purpose or not, but it's worth it. Sometimes all we got to do is say thanks. We have any hot sauce. This has been Pablo Torre finds out. A Metal Arc Media production. and I'll talk to you next time.