Pablo Torre Finds Out - Share & MMAmerica & Tell with Wyatt Cenac and Tim Miller

Episode Date: March 12, 2026

Is an (alleged) MMA fighter-in-chief less bad than Evil Barbie on her love plane? Is Washington just performative sadism now? And are you still Stephen A.-curious? Plus: Chuck Lidell's workout room, a re-patriated blankie, Benihana, Huggie Bear, Bernie Sanders as a bouncer, Dean Cain as a football player... and Frank Ocean gossip.• Subscribe to The Bulwark Podcast with Tim Miller• Previously on PTFO: The Goalie Who Went to Hell and Back Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Welcome to Pablo Torre finds out, presented by eBay Live. I am Pablo Torre, and today you're going to find out what this sound is. Oh, he's eating that ass. Right after this ad. I last gathered us here because, and you may recall this, because Wyatt was going to be Stephen A. Smith's campaign manager? I don't know that I agree with that. That sounds like fake news.

I mean, we did polling. Wyatt was very hostile to Stephen A. Smith, 2028. That sounds very true. As I recall, I was like S-A-S-S-slightly curious. Not pro at all. You were Stephen A. curious. Yeah, I just like, I want to, I just want to walk this idea around the block a little bit, kick the tires on it.

Obviously, why it's instinct on that was much more correct than mine. I'm a big enough man to say that. There was no need to kick the tires on it. And I wish I could take credit for summoning you both back on an emergency podcast level, because Stephen A has declared, I've thought about that presidency thing. And maybe I don't think you're running. Am I right?

I don't think I'm running either because I got to give up my money. I can tell you right now, let me put that presidential aspirations to bed. If I have to give up my money, it's not happening. Yeah, I just learned that apparently I would have to give up my money if I became president. Like, that tells you just how unsirious the whole thing is

that this is the moment. that he just learned that that's part of becoming president? Tim, did you see the clip? Did you notice the setting and to whom he said this to in his big announcement? It was Sean Hannity, correct?

It was on Hangout with Sean Hannity, Sean Hannity's new podcast. He's coming into our space. I was going to say, Pablo. Hannity's like, I want to compete in the long-form interview game. And I got to say, I got to know Sean a little bit back

when I was a Republican 100 years ago. And I just don't think that's his strength. And I think that Stephen A should probably point to his strength, which is yelling at people on TV. So that's right. He's going, he's like, learn that. I think that Sean will probably learn after like eight episodes of this podcast that he should go back to his strength, you know, which is also demagoguery on television, not long-form conversation. You say that, but the thing that I can never forget about Sean Hannity is there was an episode of Hannity where, he sat down with Chuck Liddell.

Yes. And took Chuck Liddell to his home to show him his workout room and grapple with Chuck Lidell. Chuck is known for this overhead killing knockout punch. Listen, I love you, man. I'm a biggest fan. The last thing I ever wanted. If you hit me, I'm in the hospital. And it very much felt like when a child wants to show their parent, they're good at soccer,

where it's like, watch me, watch me kick the ball. Chuck, watch me kick the ball. And it's just instead, it's him, like, just try and, like, elbow moves on one of those boxing dummies.

Sean Hannity has also made an aesthetic choice to wear a backwards cap. Yes, right, yeah. It's so good. I wish, by the way, that that was the extent of the MMA we're here to talk about on the show. We're here to talk more MMA,

and you got at least one super expert on MMA. I hope that's you, Tim, because I've never actually... Oh, no. I was hoping it was you. No, no. I'm a homosexual. I don't know. I'm thinking about M.A.

Tim, I got wrestling. Gays. Gays do kind of like WWE because there's like a camp to it. Sure. Just the pure blood sport without the acting, about the theater element to it. There's no gold dust. There's no gold dust that's in MMA.

Yeah, Mr. Perfect. He's not an MMA. I know enough to be dangerous, I guess. Not an expert, though, no. Tim, I dare say that mixed martial arts, which is fundamentally a sport in which two men are literally embracing as much as humanly possible. In their underpants. In their underpants.

Maybe more within your province than you've ever dreamed. Well, I do have to tell you. Peyton Talbot, he's an M.MA. There's some rumors that he was in a fling with Frank Ocean. I don't know if that's true. Oh, boy. So I don't want to make any accusations or anything. I like this rumor, though.

Accusations, I don't want to make any compliments of either of them because it would be a beautiful thing if it were true. But I did do a deep dive on Peyton's social media account after hearing that rumor. That's pretty good. I can see the appeal. I can only repeat what Reddit is telling me, which is that they were hanging out on Valentine's Day.

There you go. I want to start. Wyatt, with a different example, though, of Tim Miller's experience with physical combat. Okay. I want to walk us there. And so the Christie Gnome thing, let's just start with the big headline and then walk us to the octagon that Tim Miller entered with a character relevant to Christy Gnome. Sam, if you were to catch people up on what happened to Christy Gnome, the head of which department and in what context was that department in the news recently? Yeah. So, Kristi Nell, former governor South Dakota, became a secretary of the Department of Homeland Security. She was a big Donald Trump supporter. She did everything possible to get into his good graces, including whether this was part of getting into his good graces or not. One thing that happened simultaneously to that was she did also get a new face, which was an interesting choice. And so she gets a role in the cabinet, as she had been aspiring to do.

She brings along with her, Corey Lewandowski, Donald Trump's first campaign manager in 2016. Corey, a long time, Trump hanger on. He got fired from that job as campaign manager originally, but he sticks around. A big season one character that I forgot until I was like, oh, wait a minute, the Corey Lewandowski thing is happening again with Christy Kno.

Yeah, he's back, season seven. Yeah, he just kind of stayed around the hoop, looking for opportunities. And so he gets back in with Christy Noem. A lot of discussion that they might be having. an affair. A lot of rumors about that. She is married. He was at a fundraiser being thrown by MAGA donors. It was an addiction awareness fundraiser. It was being thrown by MAGA donors at a Benihana in Las Vegas. And at that,

Benihana, Corey Lewandowski got hammered, started hitting on one of the wives of one of the big trunk donors. And Christy was also there. And Christy was getting mad at him, texting him under the table. And a lot of people are wondering, why does Christy care so much that Corey is behaving poorly towards this other woman? And kind of that led down a path towards, I think, some pretty strong feelings that they might be intimate. So they go together, maybe lovers, maybe not, to the Department of Homeland Security, which is, which oversees, among other things, ICE and CBP, the Border Patrol. Among other things includes also the TSA. So if you're annoyed about TSA or the long lines, that's another thing. It was in Christine Nome's ream.

It seemed like a pretty good job for her. This was a high priority for Trump, deporting people, immigration, and border patrol. And yet, Christy, like, went even a little too far for Trump. She was spending a lot of money recklessly. Her and Corey were flying around on, like, these $100 million jets. They spent, like, $200 million on advertisements about all the work that they were doing, deporting people. Trump gets pissed and she gets fired. How's that?

Is that a good summary? It's an excellent summary, and really before I play some of the tape from what is an increasingly rare sight, which is something like a member of a Trump cabinet, answering questions in a meaningful... From Republicans. From Republicans. In a like beyond the pale, holy shit, this seems bad if she has to do this sort of a way. Tamien, your estimation, the reason she had to resign, in the pie chart of that, how much of that was. was American citizens got killed in Minnesota versus the stuff that we're going to really sort of dig into,

which is more of the circus element. I think American citizens getting killed in Minnesota was like 1% of the reason why she got fired. And I do think it's important that it was 1%, not zero, because I think that she was probably on the path to getting fired regardless. But I do think that, like, the degree of the shit show that it was in Minnesota, not to make a lot.

I mean, killing two people is worse than a shit show. But, like, the degree of, like, just how it seems like they didn't have any control over what was happening. I do think that, like, kind of led to the spiral that brought all this other stuff that actually made Trump mad to light. And so I think that it was kind of a catalyst for it. But, you know, had she, you know, been minding her peas and cues in other ways, not offending Mr. Trump in other ways, she probably could have survived it? I mean, Stephen Miller is still there. And he was overseeing this immigration action as well. And so I think that what ended up getting her

was that Trump doesn't like it when she's like, wait a minute, you were spending $200 million to do ads about yourself and like what you were doing? Like, what about me? What about Mr. Trump? You know what I mean? And I think that like she was embarrassing him, which ends up being kind of the bigger issue than the deaths, I would say.

These Q&A's from the Christy Noem hearing in front of Congress, they're worth watching. So Secretary Noam, at any time during your tenure, as Director of Department of Homeland Security. Have you had sexual relations with Corey Lewandowski? Mr. Chairman, I am shocked that we're going down and peddling tabloid garbage in this committee today. And, ma'am, one thing that I would tell you

is that he is a special government employee who works for the White House. There are thousands of them in the federal government. So, reclaiming my time, Secretary, and has no authority to be making any decisions. It is okay for you to be offended. There's no authority to be making decisions. But it is also a real question.

So what I would say to you is that what we do at the Department of Homeland's truly, every single day. And without any hesitation, every single day is to protect this country. If someone is asking if you or any federal official is sleeping with their subordinate, that should be the easiest. You should be wanting to answer that question. As garbage. Because it is not about your sex life.

It is about your judgment. That kind of garbage is about reclaiming my time. I think it's very important. to always clock when you're watching someone under questioning is, is there a no? At any point in that, are you saying no? Yeah, so it's hard to feel bad for anybody. It's like signed up for this, but you got to kind of feel bad for, I mean, being cheap on for Cory Lewandowski is tough. That is tough.

I want to, I mean, it's not like, it's not like Pete, you know, it's not like one of the handsomer people of the administration. I mean, the vehicle at the center of this. I just want to be very clear because there is so much being said. We were talking about these luxury airliners that were allegedly being purchased for a nine-figure amount that had bedrooms in them that were supposedly being used for deportations. But many were wondering, is this just a fucking plane for Christy Nome and Corey? Many were wondering that. I don't think that I'm among them because it's an image that I've been trying to avoid thinking about. But they showed during the hearing, I don't know if you have this, they showed.

a picture of the bed. And I'm like, what's the, what's the, what's the, what's the, what's the, of,

of, of, of, the deportation. I would say it's kind of like, uh, kind of like a Hampton Inn.

Oh, all right. Imagine a Hampton Inn, but in the sky. In the sky. Yeah. I would say that was kind of the aesthetic.

There's also a controversy, like one of the subcontroversies here, was that, um, Corey and Christy were mad at one of the pilots because they'd left. their special blanket. Oh, it's right. I forgot about the blankie.

Like, I don't want to know what's going on under that blanket. We're about to repatriate this blankie. Wait, it was their special blanket? Or did one of them? Because I feel like that's all the evidence you need. If it's like, it's our shared special blanket. I think, I feel like that's the smoking gun. I think it was positioned as Christie's.

I think it was positioned as Corey was upset. that the secretary did not have her special blanket. Gotcha. Okay. And the pilot, this U.S. Coast Guard pilot, did get fired subsequent to blanket gates, as it became known, for however fleetingly. That's right. It's almost a side concern because we've got to get to the, back to the MMA of it. The side concern was, oh, yeah, there was this $200 million-plus deal to film these absurd, I mean, absurd, I'm not even doing justice to it, but these ads that Tim was referencing before for Christy Noam, which she's on horseback, absorbing the glory of. of this country.

And the contractor that got this thing was this obscure company that was subcontracted to, Tim, a company that was run by who? The husband of Christy Nome's spokesperson, Tricia McLaughlin. Who you may recall from the time that Trisha McLaughlin gave, Pablo Torre finds out a quote about the soccer player, Jersey Reyes, that we reported on, who was, again, insanely and seemingly,

indefensibly deported to Sikot in El Salvador, in which she insisted, quote, Jerry Say Reyes Berrios was not only in the United States legally, but he has tattoos that are consistent with those indicating Trendaaragua gang membership. His own social media indicates he is a member of the vicious TDA gang. That all said, DHS intelligence assessments go beyond a single tattoo, and we are confident in our findings.

End quote, as we reported on that episode, the tattoo that seemed to be one of this vicious gang's famous symbols was in fact a Real Madrid tattoo that lots of people otherwise can't have. Yeah, huge of Madrid fans in the gang culture in Caracas. And these guys were liars

all the way down. And so it's good for to get her come up and that story that you tied to, I mean, Christy Noem, like you mentioned that the ads like were ridiculous and like her and all the hats and the horses. But like she also did all the propaganda such as where she

went to Saccat in El Salvador. You'll remember, and she stood in front of the cell filled with, like, shirtless, we now know, El Salvadorans, because they'd kept the Venezuelans in a different part of the prison, but she just stood for these, like, snuff film style pictures where she was all made up. You know, you hate to do, like, the focus on the aesthetics, talking about how the woman looks, but, like, this is, all she cared about was aesthetics. Like, she was trying to do, like, evil Barbie style aesthetics everywhere. I think that it is totally legitimate to mock that and to take some comfort,

even though I don't think that the Trump administration's ICE regime is going to get that much better, but take some comfort in the fact that she at least has been shun the door. It is a weird thing, just the sort of social media-driven nature of what she was doing. I believe last week tonight did a whole thing on it where you see them arrest these guys, but they actually didn't have grounds to do it, but when you see like another camera's footage, all it is is just them setting up a social media shoot. And it feels, and on some level,

there's a part of me where I'm like, is Donald Trump mad about that, or is he just mad because she got, she spent 200 million on this. And I'm sure he's like, and now Melania's mad because I only got 70 million for her documentary. Ah, shit. Now I'm going to have to somehow scrounge up another hundred.

$130 million for somebody to put her in Tomb Raider. There is, Tim, as always, like the question of who is the audience that this administration thinks of when they make any decisions? And way too often, the only logical audience I can discern is Twitter is X. Yeah. And it's all these people doing stuff, Wyatt, for social media explicitly, who are looking for the applause from the worst people left online? Yeah. I mean, look, the Department of Homeland Security Secretary is not supposed to be like a media figure. It's not like that type of job, right?

I challenge the audience to, like, conjure a mental image of Jay Johnson, for example, who is Obama's DHS secretary for four years. It's the cashmptial in the locker room thing. It's like, this has never been a position that's like... You're the FBI director. Go after bad guys. Some of the jobs are met for that. Like, Secretary of State does have to speak publicly.

You know what I mean? like there's certain jobs that are public facing. Like this is not that. It's a homeland security job. The job is about keeping us safe. And to have like this clownish woman having an affair, like flying around the country, like getting like ridiculous plastic surgery, like taking Cruella DeVille photos in front of immigrants that they have chained. Like the whole thing was just was ridiculous. But before we look ahead to who replaces Christy Knoam, which is a relevant question,

I want to look back for a second because the Corey Lewandowski thing that I was alluding to, the physical confrontation thing I was alluding to, Tim, Corey Lewandowski as this caricature of a person who is this sort of goon for Donald Trump. That's how I knew him in season one. It's also how you encountered him literally. Yeah. Well, now that you've brought this up, Pablo, people are going to think that my assessment of Corey and Christy is going to, it was personal. And let me tell you it was not.

Okay, this was a very, it was a minor encounter, and I'm a big boy. But I will say in 2016, during the debate, so before he's president, Donald Trump, the candidate. So it's late during the primary, and I'd worked for Jeb, and then I was working for an anti-Trump super pack. And after debates, there's a spin room where the candidates go to and they talk to the media and try to spin. Sometimes candidates, sometimes just their representatives, try to spin like why they did well and why the other people did terrible. And in this case, in 2016, I was following Trump around the spin room. him, like kind of trolling him a little bit and getting in inserting myself into the Q&As he was having. He was getting annoyed with me. And, like, out of my peripheral vision, I saw what I thought

was a security guard, like, kind of a penis-shaped security guard man who, like, came up and got in between me and Trump and, like, hip-checked me and then got nose-to-nose with me and started, like, screaming as really screaming in my face. And I don't remember what he said because I was kind of blacked out by the smell of his breath, which was really horrendous. And after it ended, I asked my colleague, I was like, who was that? And they're like, that's Trump's campaign manager, Corey Lewandowski. Like, I didn't, I didn't recognize him at the time. I thought he was just a security guard. And so I think it was telling kind of about the type of campaign Trump had at the beginning that, like, the campaign manager serious job was also like the heavy in the spin row. So there you go.

This is all really important context because the question has been, who is in charge of what has been an instrument of state-sponsored violence. And it turns out, okay, lingering around the periphery, perhaps, in the alleged plane, is that guy, Corey Lewandowski. And so who replaces his alleged girlfriend, Christy Noem? It is a guy who, I should say, I'd like to introduce via a clip of his own. Sir, this is a time, this is a place. If you want to run your mouth, we can be to consenting adults, we can finish it here. Okay, that's fine. Perfect. You want to do it now?

I'd love to do it right now. Well, stand your butt up then. You stand your butt up. Oh, hold on. Oh, stop it. Is that your solution every pulling? No, no, sit down. Sit down. You know, you're a United States senator.

Actively. Okay. Sit down, please. All right. Can I respond? Hold it. Hold it. Wyatt, can you introduce some of the characters

that we just heard there in that scene? Sure. That was Mark Wayne Mullen, and that was a hearing where he was talking to the head of the Teamsters. And apparently the head of the Teamsters had said some not nice things about Mark Wayne Mullen on Twitter. That was not why they were having this hearing. It was not a hearing to present someone.

To litigate Twitter beef? Yeah. And so this is what Mark Wayne Mullen chose to use his time to do to challenge the head of the Teamsters that the two of them could fight. Mark Wayne Mullen then stood up as though he were serious, and then the fight was stopped by Bernie Frikin Sanders, which tells you just how insurious it was that they were stopped by the oldest man in the

world who was just like, nope, nope, this isn't happening. And Mark Wayne Mullen, for all the pissing vinegar he had to stand up, was like, you're right, Bernie, let me sit back down. If you were really about it, you would have hopped over that fucking tenners. and you'd have gone and made a fool out of yourself on national television, but you got sat the fuck down by Bernie Sanders. Mark Wade Mullen allowed himself to leave more space between himself and the head of the Teamsters than he does between the words Mark and Wayne in his first name.

McQueen. Yeah, I mean, if he had real balls, you know, he would have gone full Will Smith. Like, get down there. Don't stand up and pretend to fight. do this nonsense. Like fake tough guy nonsense. We're like, oh, let's throw hands. He was never going to throw down in the middle of a hearing.

And if he was, then let's fucking see it, all right? It is a little concerning, and I think that's kind of the tie between him and Corey, the types of people that you want in charge of something like Homeland Security, you know, where you have to, like, go after bad guys, but also respect the rights of our citizens while you're managing public safety, I don't think you want fucking hotheads, right? It's not really a job for hotheads. If you were wondering, like, perhaps that's just a bad moment for Mark Wayne. Maybe that's just, you know, he's a hothead, but whatever, that's like one thing.

To get a sense of his vibe, here's his campaign ad. Conservative Mark Wayne Mullen has always been a fighter. He knows the fight's worth having for God, for family, and for country. Mark Wayne Mullen is a Christian, a husband, a father of six, a businessman. who gets things done. The radical left is trying to transform our country. And some are afraid of fighting those fights. Mark Wayne, well, he wins the fights.

Mark Wayne Mullen is you don't want to fight with him. I'm Mark Wayne Mullen, candidate for Senate, and I approve this message. That was 2022. And I want to shout out the fact always that we are a sports show here at Pablo Tore who finds out. And Mark Wayne Mullen is, I believe, and we'll fact check this as I say it. I believe this is the first MMA fighter to have been elected to the United States Senate. According to his stats, he is an undefeated fighter who either is 5-0 or 3-0, depending on what sources you look at. Strong start when you can't quite tell.

In his late 20s, one of his fights was against a guy who goes by the name of Huggie Bear. and at the time Huggy Bear was a teenager. So I have a lot of questions around a man in his late 20s who choked out a teenager, but that counts as a victory, I suppose, according to tapology, which is where I go for all my MMA news. That's tapology.

Yeah. Also, Huggy is spelled like the diapers, not like the character from Starsky and Hutch. It's an important distinction. Yeah, yeah. I think you guys are giving a little bit too much credit. I know that we try to be fair and balanced on Pablo Torre finds out, and it's important to just lay out the facts,

go where the investigation finds you, even if it's unappealing. But he was 3 in what appears to me to be like a semi-pro-MMA league. It's called XFN. It's based in Tulsa. And I don't know. It kind of feels like somebody, like, playing in the company softball league, winning three championships, and then running for the Senate and being like, I'm the first senator who was a softball champion.

There is a need for us to clarify here on how the Tori, finds out that we did send requests for comment to Huggy Bear and to Clint Bonds and to Lazaro Amaro, which is an incredible name that somehow finishes third on the metal stand of all the names we've mentioned already. we have not heard from any of them in time for our deadline. But it is worth noting also, Tim, that when it comes to is Mark Wayne Mullen, fighter, semi-professional combat sports veteran, somebody who has embellished any part of his resume before,

it is worth noting that his status as a military veteran, it seems, has also been under some scrutiny. Yeah, Pat Ryan, a senior congressman from New York, shut up, I like him a lot. And he was going off on this because Mullen likes to just sort of

I kind of play cute with talking about being in war. Like he's talking about how he knows the smells of war and all this stuff when like that just isn't true. Like he hasn't done any of that.

And I do think, you know, some of the actual veterans got a little annoyed by Senator Mark Wayne Mullen and doing a little bit of like Stolen Valor, pretending like he was, you know, really in the fight overseas when he was not. Yeah, can you smell war from afar, I guess?

It's a philosophical question. Sure, yeah. That's true. Yeah. I'm going to say no. That's going to be my guess is no. Does war smell like what Corey Lewandowski's alleged halitosis smells like, in which case, you know, it knows no borders, perhaps?

And I can't say. Because I have not been in war. I can't compare and contrast, you know, the smell of May Palm in the morning to the smell of Corey Lewandowski's breath. And importantly, neither can Mark Wayne Mullen. He kind of pretends to. Yeah.

Everybody wants to be a soldier, but nobody actually wants to go on the front lines. And we, as much as this is hilarious in a key, undeniable way, it's also fucking terrifying that this is who's in charge. Yeah, it's a good thing. point. And the playing pretend kind of does matter in this case because, like, in a very real way,

a lot of the people that our government is sending into the streets right now to do immigration enforcement are playing pretend. Yes. We have, you know, former Superman Dean Kane signed up to join ICE. Like, that's the type of, it's the quality of person that we're getting into the recruitment. How dare you minimize his sports career. And then you have people who've done real work that I don't want to denigrate, like, on the border, at Border Patrol, like, that's a dangerous job. It's a hard job you're doing with cartels. But we've been moving people from the border and redeploying them from the border into the interior of the country, into American cities to hassle people. And, like, now that force, like, is going to be at the command, basically, of the Secretary of Department of Homeland Security,

Mark Wayne Mullen, who, it seems to me, likes to play pretend violence. So that's a little alarming. Well, and add to that, for all of those posturers that are on the ground in ice, they're also wearing masks, which I think if you are someone who likes to posture, there is a freedom behind a mask. Having performed enough and having performed in ways where you're in costumes and things like that, the thing that I feel like a lot of performers know and a lot of actors will talk about is when you are in costume, you can get caught up in the costume. and it frees you from things that maybe your better angels would have prevented you from doing. And so the reason I want to do this topic in general is because, look, we're looking at Iran and we should. We're looking at new theaters of war overseas. But before we leave our country and what's been happening in the rear view, Tim, to sum it all up, what's changing? What has changed in the turnover of the Department of Homeland Security,

given that here are the characters that we've evolved from. Very little is changing. I think that hopefully some of the performative sadism might be being put on the back burner for a little while. We'll see how that goes. But I do think it's like meaningfully different. Greg Bovino, we even talked about who is the short fellow that was like the point person in Minnesota.

He was under the gas canisters dangling around his neck. He was executing a lot of what Christy Noem and Corey Lewandowski wanted, which was like really inciting, trying to incite violence and pushback in the community. And they were placed him with Tom Homan, who was not great. But, you know, he's more of kind of just a kind of traditional hardline anti-immigrant operator, right? So I do think like some of the performative elements of this might go away. We'll see some of the performative elements of Christie Nomes. You know, again, like we were saying earlier, like the snuff pictures in front of shirtless immigrants.

Like, I think that will probably change. Like, the new secretary's facial muscles can move. So that'll be new. But I think that, like, the actual immigration policy will be pretty close to the same. And that's pretty discouraging. And I think that Mark Wayne Mullen will have the same disincentives that Christy Kno did, which is Stephen Miller and other people in the administration who want a lot of deportations to be happening. And so, you know, he's going to want to make sure that his ground troops are getting the numbers or doing the deportation.

So I think it will maybe be a little bit less inciting, a little bit less kind of dark camp or whatever you call Christyneum, evil camp, but policy-wise, a lot of the same. There is one other possibility to throw out, which is Mark Wayne Mullen is Cherokee Nation. It could be possible that now, as head of Department of Homeland Security, he then goes full, Cherokee Nation and says, okay, yeah, I'm kicking everybody else who's out who's not Native American. And he just goes, he just starts rounding up white guys. And it's just like, nope, nope, this is stolen land. You're on stolen land. Get the fuck out. And all of a sudden, land acknowledgments are happening at the DHS press conferences. Yeah, I don't think that's likely, but. Probably not. It'll be interesting to monitor, Wyatt. I think it would be an interesting plot twist for sure.

Look, my Stephen A. Smith prediction was right. This one I might not be on target with. Well, we have an MMA event to look forward to at the White House. But truly, the fact that the president's birthday party is also a UFC event that Dana White is now this past week announcing. It's just, Tim, are you even ready for what that is, for what that's going to be? You know, I was thinking about this. I was planning what my, what weeks are going to be off the podcast as some. Mark's going to take a little vacation, and I'm like, maybe I should do it around the 4th of July, so I just don't have to think about this. Like, maybe that one should be the week. I should go dark because it's just such, it's so fucking ridiculous.

I mean, like, really, we're going to have an MMA fight on the lawn to celebrate our 250. And it is idiocacy. You know, Mike Judge did have a crystal ball. So, I don't know. But it's worth moderating paying attention to because, like, the MMA culture is very wrapped up in this administration. And, like, that whole mindset is. And, you know, Dana White spoke at the convention. All those guys go to MMA fights and, like, watching Cash Patel and Marco and Trump and all these guys sit ringside in their suits.

I think that they think it gives them an aura of toughness, right? Like, they really care a lot about this, like this machismo, this seeming strong. And I think that's kind of the political side of it. At the end of every episode of Palletorre finds out to Miller and Wyatt Snack, we go around the table and we say what we find out. what we found out today. Tim, is there anything that you found out on today's episode?

I learned a lot about Huggy Bear, and I learned about the kind of semi-pro Oklahoma-M-MA culture that Mark Wayne Mullen came out of

that's aired on Triller, the Bulgarian-based American television streaming outlet. And I would like to learn a little bit more. Maybe I'd understand my country a little bit better.

I've learned a little bit, I think maybe I'd understand my country a little bit better if I learned even more. about what is happening on Triller. I think the thing I found out is perhaps the person who's best qualified to do anything about border security might have been the bouncer in that Senate hearing, Bernie Sanders. The idea that Bernie Sanders is able to secure the border of a Senate hearing,

maybe he's the person instead of Mark Wayne Mullen who should be at the top of that candidate list for that job. Yes. It is, it's just... Or he should just be, yeah, we should just have Bernie Sanders bouncing at nightclubs or anywhere where we just need some crowd control. Just have Bernie come in there and just kind of in his old man way, just throw his hands and be like, ah, stop it, stop it.

You're a senator. Just the voice. What's your mother think about this? Let him be a referee at hockey fights. Stop it. Stop it. Literally, you're a senator. That's your team name.

And you're a jet. Stop it. Both of you. He can wear those big mittens that he likes. Stop it. Both of you. Stop it. What I found out today in the ongoing research

I've been doing since Tim dropped a journalistic bomb on me is that Frank Ocean did, in fact, apparently eight months ago, post an Instagram story update. of rumored boyfriend Paden Talbot in a position in which, again, I'm not here to make subjective assessments, but what would you describe

Peyton Talbot doing to Felipe Lima in this screenshot that Frank Ocean put on Instagram with a heart emoji next to the crying emoji? Oh, he's eating that ass. That is just objective ass eating. Can you send me that picture? I missed that one. It must have been before I started following page.

This has been Pablo Torre finds out. A Metal Arc Media production. And I'll talk to you next time.