Pablo Torre Finds Out - Share & Oddjob & Tell with Domonique Foxworth and Charlie Kravitz

Episode Date: January 16, 2025

How did Jerry Jones become such a good actor on Landman? Why do people love video games with such bad graphics? And what does it take to be elite in a group chat — or to abandon one? Plus: Bob Kraft's bikini audition tape, Rust Belt Strip Club Enthusiasts, Goldeneye in a bathroom stall, the Bryce Young of texting, the face of the Vanderbilt party scene and active snore simulation.Further content:Jerry Jones Gives Monty Life Advice (Paramount+)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Crja9fuQyXMVideo Games Can’t Afford to Look This Good (Zachary Small)https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/26/arts/video-games-graphics-budgets.htmlThe Agony of Texting With Men (Matthew Schnipper)https://www.theatlantic.com/family/archive/2025/01/men-texting-men-loneliness/681076/The Domonique Foxworth Showhttps://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLn3nHXu50t5wnTIdJOdFIA9wxAHHq2LEl Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Welcome to Pablo Torre finds out. I am Pablo Torre, and today we're going to find out what this sound is. Labatard and Katie Nolan. No question. The sports media power ranking is worst texers. Right after this ad. You're listening to Draf King's Network. The concept of going abroad in college was like, I can't miss a semester that's going to be the most fun semester of all time.

That is so real, though. I never visited like Boston. We stayed in Harvard Square the entire time. We did very little adventuring to, like, adult world. Yeah. Do I regret not going all across Europe? Because I applied to it in a broad program we got into it and didn't do it. A little bit.

Probably be more traveled, but don't regret being there. I love when Charlie turns into a bro. Hammering Natty Lights and having, like, all of Nashville is the best. Give me just the physical scouting report on Charlie Kravitz, Vanderbilt student. Hawaiian shirt, three buttons on button. Sunday, Sam's sports bar, watch football and drink. Monday. Monday, we went to, I can't remember the name of this fucking bar.

Tuesday, we had this thing called Newsday, which is like a weekend party. Wednesday was trivia at Sam's. Thursday was out downtown Nashville. Friday was like fraternity party. Saturday was, it's remarkable how precisely he's recalling all of this. I mean, it sounds like it was like a class schedule.

I want you to bring back the Hawaiian shirt. Yeah, definitely. I really showed. Three buds on buttons. Minimum. Minimum. A girl once called me the face of the Vanderbilt social scene. Not the body of the Vanderbilt Social Security.

Not the brain. Just the face. Oh, gosh. You see your stupid fat face everywhere. Curly hair. Red, reeking of stale beer. Ruddy, red-faced. drunk

face have I showed you the photo this is good I want to introduce people to Charlie in case they don't know of his previous work

there was religious protesters that came to like protest party at Vanderbilt protest partying like a footloose situation more or less they were like

they were like this is a life of sin and they had like gigantic signs and of course we just like went up in front of them and shotgun in their face and like

threw the beer kids down and we're like Eat it weirdos. That's such a fuck, bro. By the way, when I saw Dominique on the field at this playoff game in Baltimore. Oh.

Oh, yeah. I actually posted some shit. Yeah. Some shit. It was you and Declan on the field together. I mean, this was awesome. It was sick. Declan dapping up Derek Henry,

taking pictures of two chains. Yeah, it was pretty cool. He met a bunch of players. Yeah, it was cool for him. I forgot when we compliment Don. have any key. No, it's nothing about me to come out. What do you want me to say?

It was cool, yeah. If I was an 11-year-old boy, like, I've taken him on the field before, and Debo Samuel came over and introduced himself to him on a commander's game that he went to. He played at halftime of the last commanders game against the Falcons. He's been on the field a bunch of times. He's been on the field for college football games. It's pretty cool. But this was the coolest because he's, it's funny because he likes to be on the field,

and he's also at an age where he tries to be cool. But this was, and all the other times he was, like, on the field. but it's kind of cool. Oh, yeah, that's neat. Debo, oh, neat. I'll take a picture with him. But this time, because he is a Ravens fan, he, like, lost all this cool.

He got knock right out of him. He's grinning like a fool. He took a picture with John Harbaugh, who was incredibly nice and came over. Took a picture. He got the high-five Derek Henry. He kept doing more and more things that I told him not to do.

I get why Declan doesn't listen to you. He does. No, he doesn't. I wanted to start with this Jerry Jones thing. Are you a watcher, Dominique, of Landman? I'm not a watcher of Landman. Is the way I say Landman, Charlie, persuading you that maybe I am familiar with the show? Definitely not, but I'm familiar with the show.

I've watched all of Landman, except for the finale. I haven't watched the finale yet. So Cortez loves Landman. He does. John Hamm. I don't know. I was just trying to spoil the finale for you. Who's Landman?

What's his superpower? Landman is someone who buys mineral rights to plots of land. in Texas and then sells and then drills on them to find oil. The reason, though, I am talking about Landman is because this Paramount Plus show, which is a Taylor Sheridan show, which is to say it's in his cinematic universe, which is to say that it's very popular among a sector of America that is quite populous, it turns out. Oh. That's the Yellowstone guy?

That's the Yellowstone guy. I don't know why that either. This is his most maximalist show. It's filmed in Texas. It has some of the vibes of like a successor to Friday Night Lights with that some of the depth. that has Billy Bob Thornton, John Hamm, Demi Moore, and it's completely over the top and like a very fun watch that has shockingly good acting

despite the fact that it's like filling the old soap, network soap things that we used to show, while also sort of glorifying fossil fuels. So it's a given to take. You hosted the shit out of his show. Good job. He's our white America correspondent. And what Landman went viral for recently is this scene with Jerry Jones.

And this has been everywhere, but I wanted to actually get behind the scenes of this scene, which we will show you in a little bit here. And so what we did was we called up the cinematographer of Landman, Robert McLaughlin, who is a veteran of shows such as Game of Thrones, Ray Donovan, Westworld, Ryan Cortez, by the way, texted me just now, quote,

it's Friday Night Lights mixed with Sicario, is Landman. That's a great call. And if the cinematography by Robert McLaughlin is anything like that, a compliment Robert McLaughlin, who sounds like this. this. You know, when we were handed the script, I thought, oh, that's cool. You know, Jerry Jones character comes in and delivers this huge long monologue. And, you know, I came to work and I said, so who've

they got to play Jerry Jones? You know, I've done this a long time. And, you know, usually bringing in a non-actor to do something long like that is like, you're really treading on thin ice. But the day of his scene came, we were shooting in an unused wing of a new hospital in Fort Worth. And we heard a helicopter and somebody said, that must be Jerry arriving. He'd flown from wherever Dallas or someplace and arrived with his, with a small entourage.

And they had a room set up for him to sit. We weren't quite ready to shoot with him yet. And, you know, the script supervisor who's been doing this a long time too, kind of looked at me and kind of rolled her eyes like, boy, you know, that's a lot of words for a non-actor to do. And so Jerry Jones enters this hospital room in which John Hamm, give the visuals here, is unwell and in a hospital bed. He's had his fourth heart attack.

And Billy Bob Thornton is there, Oscar winner and Emmy winner, respectively, in reverse order. And Jerry Jones proceeds, in case you haven't seen it, this non-actor to do this. I just know it's not going to be this time, but you're going to be sitting here sometime in the future, laying here sometime in the future. And this room's going to be full of your business associates

and the people you've worked with all your life. And more than likely, your children and family are going to be there because they're your children and your family. But you could have them there because they're the people you spent your life with, you worked with, you fell down with, you got up with. I mean, he crushed that. It's incredible.

Sue dad's up. His eyes, the sniffling, his eyes. is getting watery. That man can lie. That man been lying for so long. You know a good liar. A good liar convinces themselves that they are telling the truth.

It's the same thing about an actor. Jerry been lying his whole life. That man believed it. In that moment, Jerry was the landman. He's a method landman. Oh, he's been doing bull-che like this whole his whole life. You called him up and like, hey, you want to act? And he was like, you mean lie?

Oh, give me a microphone in a camera. In the hallways, by the way. The cinematographer, the people who doubted him working on the show on the set, were all blown away. This was a script. There were several takes because they got to get coverage and it's just standard Hollywood stuff. Dominique Big Hollywood Big Shot knows this, of course.

But the point is what the cinematographer also said to us was but he pretty much nailed every single take. Like, he was just crushing it the whole day. Wow. I wonder how many times he's given that speech in his life. So what we did also was we asked for Jerry Jones himself. We asked for the king to visit us. The Cowboys head of PR responded this way, quote,

Appreciate the interest. Jerry was fantastic in the landman scene for sure. He's also in the midst of sorting out our head coach situation, so we'll need to pass on this. And then shortly thereafter, Back McCarthy was consciously uncouple. from the Dallas Cowboys. Dominique, you negotiate... Do you think you could do it?

Cry on command? No, I mean, just like deliver a monologue in a way that was believable. I don't think I would be anywhere near as good as him. I wouldn't be close. Dominique is batting his eyes. Dominique thinks he can do that. I mean, I think I can do everything.

This is the irrational confidence of Dominique saying he'd also do stand-up comedy. Is that a thing that we can test that? That's a take. That's an episode of the show. And Wyatt agreed. No, because... Charlie, how many gets encouraged?

I do. No, Charlie has cooked it up into, like, I think I can be a stand-up comedian. The point I made was we were talking about open mics. I could do five minutes and get a couple of chuckles. Like, open mics are not, like, I'm not as stand-up comedian. Like, I don't think I could be Dave Chappelle or Chris Rock or anybody like that. So you're saying you wouldn't be the greatest stand-up of all time. I'm saying-short of that.

Anything's possible. I'm saying that I could show up at an open mic. And, like, I'm not saying that I'm going to be Roy Wood Jr. Who said, I show up an open mic and cook. That's it. That's it. However, I committed myself to it. People just should know this, that Dominic does believe that his superpower as a foxman.

There's a better superhero name for you. That was bad. But there is a belief that Dominic has that if he were to try hard at anything, he can accomplish it. Supported by fucking evidence. Like, I've done it. I've done all of it that I wanted to do. So I look at this two ways. He's shockingly good in front of a live crowd.

Like, we did our live show last year. We were doing another one tomorrow night. By the time you're listening this, we've already done our live podcast. Dominique will have gotten a Netflix special. Yeah. But counterpoint, not funny. Tough for an open mic. Wow.

That's nonsense. Blunt. A blunt scouting report. He thinks I'm not funny. That's crazy. Not that funny. Not that funny. Okay.

So I want to bring this back to, the Jerry Jones briefly for a second here. Because he was so good that lots of people who worked on the show started wondering, like, who's better than this? And it's a hard question to find it to answer to. They even wondered if Jerry Jones had hired an acting coach at one point. But it brings us back to this general idea of, like, these people have seen a lot of cameos on prestige television.

And apparently, quote, there is no comparison to Jerry Jones from the cinematographer in question. I didn't do the Game of Thrones episode with Ed Shearren, but, you know, we did have, you know, when I shot the Red Wedding episode, we had the drummer from Coldplay there. We had some other, you know, various celebrities who would fly themselves to Belfast just to show up and have a piece. Sometimes they had a line. Sometimes they didn't. You know, I was doing a huge battle scene in Spain, and we had, Noah Sondergarde from the Mets showed up. He was a huge fan, and they put him in a full set of armor

and gave him a big close-up throwing a spear. And that actually took three or four takes because on action, he kind of froze up and didn't throw the spear. So, boy, you've got to watch that episode really carefully to catch that two-second close-up of Thor throwing a spear. So Jerry Jones, natural. charismatic in front of the camera.

Noah Sindegarde, former Mets would-be star pitcher, looked like this. And he just get the freeze frame of just Noah's Indigard. Yep, there it is. You would think throwing would be something he wouldn't get nervous about. He'd just throw. His name is Thor. Couldn't throw shit.

It's a pitcher. You should be able to throw. You've negotiated against Jerry Jones. You've covered him. You were just on TV, gas bagging about him. I'm so thankful that he's around. He's a font of content. Yeah.

The guy does radio shows. He's a billionaire. He then argues with the radio hosts, giving us content on top of content. He just essentially de facto fired Mike McCarthy because Mike McCarthy wanted to coach his team for longer than he wanted him to. And now he's feeding us in Hollywood. It's just a remarkable thing.

Do you have a sense of humor about him, or does he seem, is he getting away with stuff? because he is also the guy who is charming everybody in all of these rooms, me included, it turns out, from afar. He's incredibly charming. Is he getting away with stuff? I mean, what makes him charming as you've experienced him up close? I mean, he's a politician.

Like, he's got that politician charm, and that he remembers your name, and he's affable, and he's, like, he is what you see. Everyone, like, he seems like fun to be around. He's kind, and, and, um, like generous with like his attention and conversation and so then because he is a celebrity and he's worth so much money like I think it's having that along with it it's like people obviously fall for it when it comes to though the power of wealth and how much of charm is just being rich and famous and powerful it's a lot it's a lot easier I present to you I present to you

everything's easier when you're rich a counterpoint because the other NFL owner of course who has made, I think, a very memorable acting cameo. Actually did this on tape. It was an audition submission for his girlfriend. Now about 15 years ago, were there about 2012-ish? And I'd like you to just witness the theatrical charisma of Bob Kraft and his actress model girlfriend at the time, Ricky Noel Lander. Hi, I'm Ricky Lander, and I'm auditioning for Mary Elena.

Okay. Yes. That is burned in my memory. You can stop now. You. Oh, wow. Oh, God. So that was an audition tape, submitted, and then leaked, and then shared on the internet for the internship.

The Vince Vaughn Owen Wilson movie. Bob Kraft was doing Owen Wilson's lines. Bobcraft was on camera, though, which isn't typical about a submission and on tape. audition. Dominique. What? What? That has hated it.

Every second of it. Beginning to end, start, to finish. You didn't like the end of it when he punched the guy? He called him a P-word? Yes. Oh, we can't say that. Okay. I believe that we have the technology to do this.

So bear with me. I believe we can actually show you this video because there's a green screen where we make this into the landman hospital scene. This is Bob Kraft auditioning for the role that Jerry Jones submitted for. Hi, you were really good up there. I didn't mean that in a sexual way, but not that it wasn't erotic. Well, now we're even, because dancing in front of you was one of the most embarrassing moments in my life. Bob Craft said, quote, I never intended that it would be made public, and I regret that it has.

End quote. I think Bob Kraft has some regrets of things that have gone public. for sure. We broke Dominique. This topic broke Dominique. I'm not broken. I have nothing to add. It was a bad audition.

It was uncomfortable. She was weirdly sexualized and Bobcraft was a poor actor. It just made no sense. That's a question. Do you think she wanted him in the screen? Do you think he wanted... I do think that this was clearly something

where she was like, would it help you if you knew that I was potentially romantically entangled with one of the richest men in America who happens to own the dynasty of our time. And it turned out the answer was no, because she did not get the part. Nor did he.

That's a tough scene for them. It's a real tough scene. A tough scene in every possible way, actually. Charlie, let's bring it back to the world of actual journalism. Yes. What did you bring us? Okay, I brought you guys a story from the New York Times that came out on December 26.

by Zachary Small called video games can't afford to look this good. The basics of the story were that throughout all of our lives, there was a boom in technology and video games became more and more hyper-real. And it used to drive sales and interest that games looked way better and more realistic. I'm sure you had this moment. Like for me, I remember seeing the first map in N64 with Mario. Oh my God, this doesn't look like a Game Boy. Well, it turns out their diminishing marginal returns

as these maps have gotten more and more extreme. The graphics have gotten more and more hyper-real. The games have become less fun to a lot of people and replaced by something that seems too much like real life. And for the first time, the video game industry is shrinking because of that. Spider-Man, too, has been like a case study in this story because Spider-Man, the video game, you can see over time, it becomes really, again, like you're inside of a movie.

Its whole thing is hyper-realism. And then you sort of also begin to notice, and this is another just, like, funny thing that I think, any video game player has to make peace with, is that at a certain point, the money you're dropping for the new game doesn't get you the proportional increase in terms of like,

wow, this is so much different than it was before. There's a plateau, there is a diminishing returns just on the technology level. And what I didn't know until Charlie was like, I want to do this story, is that the entire industry has gone so far in the direction of trying to Hollywoodify everything.

Yes. Now they're realizing, wait a minute, The thing that the kids are actually playing and are obsessed with, their graphics are terrible. Yeah. It's Roblox. It's Fortnite. It's Minecraft. And it's about community.

It's about people want to have fun with their friends. And video games became something that can replace some social interactions. And the map and the hyper realism and having to play NBA 2K and have it be way more realistic than it was in 2012 actually wasn't driving stuff. I thought this was really interesting for a number of reasons. One, it immediately connected to I'm sure what you felt. Dominique might have been where this was age appropriate, but despite the fact that there was Xbox and PS3 or whatever, whenever we were in college,

there was an N64 in every dorm. Because people wanted to play games together. And it wasn't about having the best graphics or the best stuff. It was about like a sense of community and normalcy and the games were supposed to be fun. I found that to be a really interesting thing that they're now realizing. that, that there's no reason to make Spider-Man look like Spider-Man.

I didn't realize it until I read this story. Like, I knew, I felt it intuitively. I was like, do I really need the PS5 pro to get some marginal advantage in the Spider-Man 2 graphics? The answer for me was no. But now I'm just realizing,

oh, like what people actually want out of this experience, Dominique, is just not what video game studios and their studios now ended up spending a bulk of their cash-off. I mean, I guess I should, I shouldn't pretend like this is something obvious and something I knew, but like it feels like it's something.

Once you see it, it seems incredibly obvious because it happens. I mean, because it happens in every industry. Bingo. Yeah. I mean, it's classic, like, disruption theory. Like, it's the definition of it is that you get to a certain point to where you think that this is the paradigm on which this industry is competing on. And then everyone in the industry gets to a point where the diminishing returns from that, paradigm and you have to switch in the industry or the company or the game or the whatever,

the product that takes over is one that recognizes that that's not how we're going to compete. And now they're competing in a different way. It's similar to like when three-pointers took over the NBA where it's like, all right, we compete with centers, centers, centers. And then we got to the point where actually, because the three is the place that we're going to compete, your inability to move becomes a problem. And then the game evolves in a different way. And the same thing for every other industry where there's the same thing with phones.

Like at first we're like, all right, I want to be able to call. And then we watch how the phones went from a big suitcase to a phone that had color and the phone that you could type on, the phone you could text on. Then we get to a point where it's like, all right, this does enough. Everything feels just like a pendulum swinging back and forth in general. But now what we're seeing in this economy of video games is that studios are like closing down. Layoffs are happening for the first time. Layoffs apparently have affected more than 20,000 employees in the past two years, more than 2,500 Microsoft workers.

And the point being that what you actually want out of this product the entire time was, it reminds me of just like, and it's funny to say this in the same like month that we finally got new cameras in this studio. But like, look at internet video. Look at what goes viral. Like people actually have such a tolerance for the worst production. values and we have been trying to spend to attract something that's not actually why people are here. I'm glad you brought this up because this is the exact connection point I thought about. There's a line in the article that basically talks about theories of why people have stopped wanting the hyperrealism and that it's an investment in graphics that creates a hollow experience.

You don't feel anything. You don't connect with people on it. That to me, you just brought up something that's happening in video, YouTube videos. People crave authenticity. They crave real conversations. It's like you look at the best podcast, you look at the best shows, the things that have lasted forever,

whether it's a PTI or Dan Labitarche, the communities they create, pardon my take, whatever, all that stuff. They create people who really want to engage with that stuff. I want to connect this back to something. The last time we were all together in Miami, Pablo went mini viral. Oh, yeah.

Because he talked about, you know, the tape. That was another stolen take. It was. I'm sorry. I'm authenticity. That's what I'm trying to make your show better, being authentic. Mine and Pablo's take was that Pablo articulated better, which is that football media, particularly,

I mean, it's in all sports media, but football and basketball, and football in particular, they want to watch the tape and they want to tell you about the EPA, and they fetishize jargon. And that pissed off a lot of ball knowers online, and Twitter people are like, this guy doesn't know what he's talking about. This is the most complex sport.

I'm still trying to win Brett Coleman back. But here's the thing is you were right, because a real expert can explain something and make it seem simple, not explain it and make it seem more complicated. And the reason that the word hollow experience, I thought was really interesting was there was this incredible shift in football media from the caveman jacked up, which was kind of dope, not going to forget. Like, it was John Taylor hitting that punter was pretty awesome.

It was. To this really specific EPA per play DVOA. And if you disagree with it, they're like, you don't get the stats, you don't watch the tape. And instead of having this community around a show that's something that's fun, that drives discussion, something that Dan does or PTI does, it gets people who are like,

this feels like talking about sports with a friend. And the experiences move really far. And then you see how it's shifting back is people actually don't care about having this graphic with everything explains to them being like, there's no possible way I'm wrong about this. They want to talk about sports like normal people. Does it feel social?

Does it feel like the experience that you're here for? To be clear, think that Charlie is not saying that all the stats are bad. No, they're good. Yeah, no, but I do think that he's making a point that I agree with to some degree, but I think I would be further on the

ball knower slash nerd spectrum, because I guess it's not a complete spectrum, it's more like a graph that you, or a triangle chart, I don't know what that's called, where you find in different spots. With a end diagram? No, it's not a Venn diagram, because the Venn diagram is like the overlap. It's like

there's like film watch there's like stat nerds and then there's like... You're describing a graphic that stat nerds would love currently. So I am a statner. A triangular heat map. Yeah. And then there's like fans. And I think where you find yourself on there

could be any particular place. But I think where Charlie is right is this is feel like work. This is like a spreadsheet. This feels like a job or a homework. People who don't know anything and they're just like spouting off about like clutch gene and shit like that.

It's like, all right. that feels stupid. So it lands somewhere in all of this, but I do think we have, to your point about the pendulum, it's like we have a, it's just like a natural phenomenon where when something happens, everyone's like, oh, this is it.

You swing all the way over to it. And you swing all the way over to it. And then eventually you come back to some equilibrium. And I think we did spend some time. And those people still exist. There are some people who love to live in the spreadsheets and some people who want to clip film and put it on and break down.

I think the only thing that, you were really offended, or not offended by, but you took um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, is the, the idea that people are using jargon that's exclusive, that, like, blocks people off from understanding. And I think that what's happening is a lot of those people are insecure. Yeah. And I think they're using the jargon to express to people that they are on the inside. And it's also the certainty of it, to me. It's like when you, when you say something so definitively, it just, it takes all the comments. All the way normal people want to think about a game.

It should be an invitation. We shouldn't be boxing people out of talking about sports or being interested in these discussions simply because there are certain people have access to tape or stats that other people don't. It's not a direct answer. They're supposed to support your opinions. Right. Why would you need a supercomputer to run a video game? Yeah.

Are your kids into like Roblox and stuff? Yeah, on and off sometimes. Yeah, they like it. But just like it's my niece who's 10. I'm just like, there's a quote in this piece about one game, and essentially, like, the JPEG that they used to advertise it. I love this detail. Was a bigger file than the actual game.

It's just like, this is not the point. Like, the point is amusement. When graphics got better, it was awesome. It was. I remember this. But when Madden got more complex, it was awesome because I hated playing a football game that didn't feel like football.

However, it got to the point where I stopped playing Madden in college because I was like, oh, this ain't fun no more. This feels like work. I got to read coverages. F*** up my face with that. You know what the turning point for me with Madden was

when I stopped playing it? The passing cone. I was about to say it was the vision cone. Yeah, the worst. But that's exactly it. It's like, hey, did you guys want to simulate the feeling of being like a fighter-pop? who needs to do tons of homework to figure out how to pass the ball in a football video game?

No! Yeah. I mean, have video games ever gotten better than, like, Halo 2, Blood Gulch, battle rifles, with your friends when you're 14? I'm an energy sword guy. Yeah. And either way. The simplest version of it. The video game murder is energy swords.

But, like, that stuff was awesome. I mean, I still remember when you had Game Boys and you could get the cord and trade Pokemon from the red and the blue thing to complete your set. That was just literally building in community to the easy. game that was the exact same except for the color of the cartridge and like a couple Pokemon you could get and that stuff was awesome. I have such stupid nostalgia for like just Golden Eye. What was your, uh, I was disappointing.

I've got one of those emulators a couple years ago and I've tried to play Golden Eye. It didn't hold up. Doesn't hold up? Maybe it was just a bad emulator, but it didn't hold up. How about the music? Oh yeah, music. Music is great. You're telling me that being odd job and hiding inside a bathroom stall,

Every time. Every time. Our job was banned from any games that we played. Yep. Go ahead and say it. Because you are just against Asian education. Of course not, because it was cheating. It was cheating. Eye Job, Michael Vic and Madden. Obviously.

You know who my favorite players were in Golden Eye and Madden? A job and Michael Vic respect. Duh. So there was actually a long discussion about what Dominique was going to bring to the table here. I didn't participate in it. discussion. And that's how the topic got decided. So the article that was decided for me, which I read on the way to the studio today, is the agony of texting with men, which is by Matthew Schnipper from the Atlantic. And it was actually a really good article. It talked about like

how everyone needs community and relationships and because of the way that the world is changing. And we're all more text message focused than we are having a third place, a bar or wherever guys hung out in the past that and men are particularly bad at texting it's made it so they've had a difficult time developing and maintaining relationships and i see why you guys sent me this because you responded to zero of the texts on the group chat about planning for this segment yeah because it's um a hollow experience okay texting with each other is a hollow experience as the um article lays out so like i'm sorry that i want to have genuine interactions with my friends and i don't want to live through texts.

Excuse me. He responded to zero. Right. Zero texts on this thread, Charlie. You're welcome. To be fair, he was working the entire of it. Yeah, again, he was between Stephen A and Shannon Sharp on first take.

I understand that. But he responded to zero texts. I think that Dominique Foxworth is the single worst texter in sports media. Disagree. I think he is the Bryce Young of texting. He is the most improved texter. Thank you. He's sending,

He's cratered his own expectations. He's sending memes and gifts. There you go. He's responding to everything. Boom. He's starting conversations via text. There is. Three touchdowns.

No sex. He was the worst, though. And he also used to be, he used to, like, be the anxiety-inducing text or two because he just respond, okay, dot, or yes. I recognize that I didn't understand what was implied by some of the messages that I sent. Yeah, just an okay with nothing else around it. Which to me means okay.

Yeah. There's been a couple times I've called. Dominique after an okay, he's like, yeah, no, saying okay. I'm sorry. That tracks. That's very literal. Can I work on myself? Try to get better and understand this new world that you kids are living in.

I don't get it. I find, I do find, to relate to. Charlie and I talk on the phone a lot more than I do with anybody. Every day. Which is f***ing great. We can chat. Like some real adults. So Dominique does like a phone call.

And there's nothing wrong with that. It's, in fact, praiseworthy, that he wants to have a conversation. I don't call you anymore because. But he's great at the group chat. I've been disappointed, Dominia. He is incredible. He's an elite group chatter. Doesn't overdo it.

Well, that's my thing in group chats, though, is that I am, I'm not going to lead the team in field goal attempts, but I'm going to have a pretty good percentage. Yeah. By the way, invariably, Mina is always leading the league in attempts. And, like, she's a good percentage, too. I'm not saying that. But, like, that's where I'm like, oh, I'm the guy in the article.

Like, I can't keep up. Yeah. I can't, I told Mina recently. I was like, I think you are in, Mina, the two most active group chats on my phone. And she looked at me like, really? Those are the two most active on your phone? As if like I am, yeah. She's definitely in my most active group chat, hands down.

And she runs that group chat. God. So who is worse than Dominique, if you're saying that Dominique is not dead last? I want to build a power rankings here. Lovatard and Katie Nolan. No question. In the sports media power ranking It was the worst texters

Katie had the two phones thing It was impossible Oh, that's right She's like a professional athlete Had two phones I mean For a while Like a quarterback

You got two phones You don't got one And then I don't know what that means But it seemed right Dan either doesn't respond Or sends a way too long text Yeah

And she's You read it You're like God I suck at everything Thanks Dan It's just like Dan you should Just be emailing

People And then you get an email from him And you're like Don't do not be emailing people. Do you think when he sends an email, he's voice dictating it

because of lack of punctuation? It kind of... No way. It would be such a clarifying detail if in fact he was just dictating it. Instead, I think that's just his brain. Yeah, I like it. I like a noble shit.

You like a giant, unbroken block of text that is not even being vaguely... considered to be broken into paragraphs. Love it. Gives me joy. Do you have a power ranking of worst sports media texers? Dominique's dead last. Dead last.

Perfect. Dominique's, again, because today, we had other options for this story. And I'm like, I guess we're going to do the story that most accurately describes the guy who's supposed to bring this in. I'm not in very many group chats. I consider Mina, one of my closest friends, have zero group chats with Mina. And maybe I should rethink that But I think I was in

I'll leave a group chat I love that I love that for you I'll leave a group chat Like out of here man The little tiny text That Dominic Foxworth has left the chat I'm gone bro

You will leave I am in group chats That I have not contributed a single thing to But I'm just lurking Do you like silence them? Yeah oh hell yeah So like I don't like having the red bubble So like I can't silence the group chat

because then it says 300, and I don't know when I've gotten a new, you got to go, you're out of here. You're out of here. If your group chat is like too aggressive, you're out of here. I've one group chat that, and the group chat that I love the most is my favorite group chat,

and it's three other guys in me, and we all have the proper ratio and understanding of each other's time and respect for each other. So it's like, if somebody falls off from the group chat and they miss something, it's cool. And if it gets super engaged, it's cool.

If we don't talk for a couple of days, it's cool. It's a bunch of dudes my age who see the world similar to me. And sometimes, like, even it'll be a group chat that we deal with, like, real things. Like, the thing of this article was talking about guys, text is a tough place to, like, be vulnerable. It's a group chat where a guy's like, hey, dealing with this. There's an anecdote in this piece in the Atlantic about a guy who, I guess, abandoned his group chat also because nobody acknowledged that his mom had died. Yeah, that's bull shit.

That's fucking nuts. Which part is nuts? Exactly. Yeah. I know that you guys think the other part is nuts. You think that he put it on the group chat is in that part? Yeah. You left because they ain't acknowledged as your mom died?

F*** out of here. I guess I have questions. I mean, it's stupid. It's a stupid reason to leave the group chat. Not even a thumbs up. What? You're talking about. It's a sad face of it?

I don't know. You're just the crying. No, that's worse. Man, if there's anything you need, hit me up. But this is, but so the reason why that, that anecdote resonates is because I'm like, I don't want. Yeah. No, no, that shouldn't be in the groups. Exactly.

Where we're handling this. That shouldn't be in the group chat. Exactly. But at the same time, it is weird to be in a continuous flow of conversation with some dudes and a traumatic thing happens to you. That's why you name the group chat. Yeah, got a name. But also, once it's in the chat, someone has to respond. The group chat is titled.

Hey man, there if you need me. The group chat is titled, everything's going to be mean about this guy's not dying. No, I mean, no, I'm saying a group chat has a title because it doesn't, what belongs in there is not, like, group chat's always fun titles. It's like, oh, we're in a very fun title group chat, the three of us.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Russ Belt Strip Club enthusiasts. Oh, that's right, that's right. Because Dominique was an enthusiast as a teen. I was not. That's not true. Do you remember the story? You were, Dominique was being recruited by the University of Pittsburgh.

Yeah. And he was taken to an establishment in which the quality of entertainment was surprisingly high. No, it was not. It was expectedly low. And so then that became the title of our group chat, which is not an active group chat at all. Respect it. Stay out of it unless you got some shit to say. It was active until...

Then it died. Debatable ended. We have not texted each other in the... me Charlie Cravitz, Dominic Foxworth, Kevin Clark, group chat, Rust Belt strip club enthusiasts since April 24th. Perfect. Don't start now. I got a question about the group chat stuff.

Because Pablo is on the most liberal side of this. Can you betray the confidence of the group chat for content? What did betray mean? Use it publicly without everyone knowing it's going to be content. Of course not. You think I need a permission slip to be like, hey, I'm going to talk about this in this specific way. Here are some jokes I'm planning.

No, no, no, no, no, no. You just need to ask for permission. Like the sanctity of the group chat, I would never say anything to Pablo that I didn't want. There was a time when I might divulge something personal to Pablo. That's a personal text. Long gone. Personal text to Pablo.

In the group chat. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. There is nothing personal going to Pablo. Because Pablo's first thought is, how could I make a show out of this shit? No. It's the second thought. My first thought is, how is my friend doing?

My second thought is, how can I make a show? How can my friend do this on my show? So, she's like, no, I'm good. Pablo and I are not those type of friends. See, I would text something personal to Pablo on a side chat. But once it's in the main chat, first of all, I would never text something personal on the main check. It's for jokes.

It's for jokes. I guess that's a more interesting question. The splintering. No, no, I mean, like, I wouldn't even go to the group chat. We all have done this, obviously, is when you have a group chat. Right. You side chat someone, one particular person from the group chat about something that someone else said in group chat. The f***as Pablo talking about the group chat.

Is that, so the ethics on that, you guys think that's completely fine? I mean, you can't stop it. I know. I mean, that's my favorite. It is a fear, though, that I think we all have for being honest. That's my favorite thing about my group chat is if they got a side chat, the group chat that I love the most, if there's a side chat on this day, what the fuck are we? saying that it's because all the shit comes out, as soon as someone

says some dutch shit, you get cooked or is silent for a long time, then you realize that you've said something that deserves cooking. I've sent bad texts to get silent. It's not bad, just like a bad joke or like, damn, that one bombed. It might be the worst feeling of the world.

Yeah, when you're the last person to text something and there's no response. For a day. A day in an active group chat. They're chatting without me now. The other thing about the group chat is like it starts bigger and then there's splinter smaller chats. And I always wonder like, what's the number where I know I got to the terminal landing of the

smallest chat? Yeah, it's the opposite of college football alignment. Yeah. Everything's getting smaller and you're just like, I think I got, I think I got booted out. Yeah. I'm in the six-person chat, but there's probably a four-person chat. Okay, so final rankings of sports media's worst group chatters slash texters, you're saying that Katie Nolan, Dan Levitard,

are both worse than Dominique. Definitely. And I give Dan more of a pass because of age. Because Dan does it know how to operate technology in general. That's right. He once putting his AirPods upside down, and Mike Ryan had to turn them right side up for him. So yes, that tracks.

He gets a pass. At the end of every. episode of Pablo Tori finds out a show about finding stuff out. Dominique I don't want to go first. Regain consciousness. We are going to say what we all found out today. Charlie

Cravitz, we'll begin with you. There was a theme for this show. That theme was being genuine and having community. And I found out that you guys are my community. And I really like that. It was great to be back here with us.

That thing you found out is It feels like Pablo's sweater. It's very, like, cozy. It is cozy. Hasn't been washed. Oh, never mind. But definitely authentic. I found out Pablo's dirty.

Wash your sweater. Dominic's hungry again. I know. What I found out is that Dominique... Got to eat every couple hours, man. Need some protein. God. Naturally charismatic, Dominic Foxworth needs to be refueled.

Apologize. The most offensive thing anyone has ever done on my show is actively simulate snoring. I'm sorry. I'm out of gas. Been talking about football since five in a morning. You mother

get off my back. Shit. God damn. This has been Pablo Torre finds out a metal arc media production. And I'll talk to you next time.