Pablo Torre Finds Out - Share & Severance & Tell with Katie Nolan and Michael Cruz Kayne

Episode Date: March 14, 2025

Do they sever the actors on Severance? Does Severance cast member (!!) Michael Cruz Kayne know the secrets of Lumon? (For people who believe in spoilers, you're good through Episode 7 of Season 2.) Also: Why are we trying so hard to figure out The White Lotus? And how much would you pay, at auction, for props from your favorite show? Plus: The Pablovian Shiver Response, the weaponization of AIM, trusting the parsnip steak, StraightDope.com, aliens... and that scene from Saltburn.The Severance Subreddithttps://www.reddit.com/r/SeveranceAppleTVPlus/The 'Saltburn' Bathtub Finds a New Home (Valeriya Safronova)https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/01/style/saltburn-bathtub-jacob-elordi.htmlSubscribe to "Casuals with Katie Nolan"https://www.youtube.com/katienolanListen to "Sorry for Your Loss" by Michael Cruz Kaynehttps://www.audible.com/pd/Sorry-for-Your-Loss-Audiobook/B0CGJSXSPF Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Welcome to Pablo Torre finds out. I am Pablo Torre. And today, we're going to find out what this sound is. No! My God, it's so milky. Right after this ad. You're listening to Draf King's Network. My dad would do the free AOL CDs.

And so we had to get new screen names every like two weeks. Because once he used the free hours, he would like make a whole new account. Yeah, he would get him. in the mail. He would like actively go out and seek them. At a certain point, the AOL free trial CDs were a certain form of currency. Yes. Oh man, my dad had that system figured out. And I was like, hey, dad, so this is kind of like a social thing and my name keeps changing. It's getting tough for me out here. Please can we just, and then they came out with AIM, which was the best. You didn't have to do all the other stuff with the chat rooms. You could just do Messenger.

I remember when warning debuted as a feature? Remember when you could warn people on AIM? No. But I remember next to nothing about my life. So please, tell me about it. There was a function that I presume was invented because of like online bullying. But you could warn the person you were instant messaging with. To whom? To them. So you would press like a lightning bolt icon and they would get a warning. An electric shock. But it was like a percentage. And you could keep warning them. And if you warned them to 100%,

they couldn't send an I.M. Huh. And so presumably. this was used again to, like, create politeness and decency. And instead, it was just weaponized so... We do that with everything. Teenage boys could just, like, lightning bolt each other over and over again. Oh.

I thought you were going to say weaponized in actually bad way. That ended up being pretty harmless there at the end. It was fun. In terms of weaponization on the internet, that wasn't too bad. I mean, it wasn't like we fomented a revolution in Myanmar. Did Twitter get something today? It was not... It was not working.

Yeah. So I think that's... I think we got it. go. I think it's time to go. It's time for me to leap into bluesky. I'm getting, I'm heading over to bluesky. God. Everybody's very nice there. It's me who's hesitant. It's the, it's the re-learning of the stuff. It's the re-following the people that I got of, it's the, it's the, it's the, I had it. I had it, and I didn't do anything that made me deserve to have it taken away. Why did you take it from us? Why? Um, warning was

invented. Oh, wow. This is a, no, this is a most word post from 2003. What you have there in front of you? What I have there in front of me. You dug that deep into the internet. Straightdope.com. Okay. That's a... Who knows now? Who knows?

It's, it's... Hold on. Where is the actual? What's a real website? Here's a headline from the Gainesville Sun. Okay. And that's a real thing, or something named to sound like a real thing. Yep. Like the epoch times

Yes And which is what again? Presumably a real thing And not As it turns out in this Wikipedia page A far right international Multilanguage newspaper and media company Affiliated with the Falun Gong new religious movement

That is Oh that is That is Shen Yun Oh yeah Right right right That performing art festival thing.

It's a show that they make seem like it's like a Broadway show, but it travels. Operated by the Falun Gong. That's right. Ooh. Ooh. And I looked into that because I heard somebody say randomly because Dan and I see these commercials all the time because they run during Jeopardy. And so we're always like, what is this?

Maybe someday we should go to this thinking it's just like any other performance that comes through New York. And I like saw it come up somewhere in a subreddit of somebody. explaining how it was cult-based. And it shocked me. And I was like, Dan, I think something might be up with this. And then I looked into it. And it's a little...

I mean, it's the Los Angeles Times, 2020, quote, both Shen Yun and Epoch Times are funded and operated by members of Falun Gong, a controversial spiritual group that was banned by China's government in 1999. And it goes on to describe an organization that has claimed that aliens started invading human minds in the beginning of the 20th century. You know?

Leading to mass corruption and the invention of computers, which would make sense. Wouldn't it? Is this table moved? Oh, am I that spatially unaware? Or are you having a moment? The chairs are new?

Where'd you come from? A conference? Yes, a lanyard from work. Okay, fucking relax, dude. Sorry, we were talking about how I'm dressed like a 12-year-old boy, so if you want to pick up and get a couple of those in. It's my friend's podcast. This is the best.

hockey podcast on earth. It's called What Chaos. It's, um, my friend's Pete and DJ, and I love it. And they have great merch. And it's like high quality merch, which tough to get these days. What size is that shirt? It's oversized because, look, they sent one to Dan too. And I showed it to Dan and he's like, I can't wear shirts that are oversized like that. And I said, you know what? I don't think I can either, but I'm gonna. It's cool. And I'm pretending, we were all I thought going to pretend. I looked cool wearing it. But I see that. You look cool. Here's the problem. I was getting dressed to run out the door. I was ready to go.

And it's like, oh, you're going to do a podcast? You want some of this bold? I was like, yeah. And then I just stood there looking in the mirror and I was like, what are you going to wear? And you're like, this t-shirt isn't large enough. It's like, we're going to wear. And I was like, I don't know, let's just wear this.

And I walked in before I left and I said, hey, you got me high at the wrong time. Is it okay to go outside in this outfit? And he was like, what? Yeah, totally. I could tell he said it's scared. And now, you know, anyway, how's everybody doing?

We have fun. At the end of the day, what we do is have fun. Okay, let's do two things. Number one, spoiler alert, we're going to talk about severance. But number two, I would like to set up how it is that we all realized we should be talking about severance today. We have been podcasting and watching a show, which we love and are obsessed with to varying subreddit depths with a guy. Oh, yeah, that's so. I freaked out when I realized. Who was on the show. That, as I understand, is the preferred term. I think it's exactly the condescending verbiage that I'd expect from a group

trying to save people from their own choices. Choices. Did her Enzy have a choice? And where are you getting these terms? I find it. Call it someone who's had their brain split in half. That has nothing to do with what we do at Lumen nor any severance procedure. I understand you don't want to answer my question. I'm answering the question.

It will reveal that you are complicit in something totally immoral. What's a more? Tough to buy that guy is just a regular guy in that world. You know what I mean? Can I? Can I? must be a movie star in this world. Honest compliment crushed the role of guy on television debating the severance procedure.

Let's go. Really? Legitimately. Good points. You were on the right side of history, I believe. I'm not sure yet. We're not done, but I believe. And let me also say that because everything in this show is intentional and every shot we see

is carefully considered, I would say my interpret. of your face being hidden by Mark S's face is that perhaps you are actually the protagonist. Yes. Of severance. Severance. Well, I'm not allowed to talk about that. But yes, I am the star. That's why I didn't think we were going to podcast because I was like, you mean with the star?

Genuine question. Go. When you, was it an audition? How do you get the role? Good question. How does this work? Fantastic. So here's how it worked.

I auditioned for, I don't remember which role, I want to say the Zach Cherry role, Dylan, is that the character's name? Yeah. Yes. I think I auditioned for that role and then gradually not getting that role auditioned for smaller and smaller and smaller and smaller and smaller roles. I think that this one, I don't even know if I audition for, they just might have been like, well, we got to throw this fucking guy something. And so then there I was. Again, if I can spin. Yeah, please.

Spin. They liked you so much. They wrote a role specifically to use you. That seems extremely, I mean, profoundly unlikely. They met you about how many they kept bringing you back. It's a lot of, it's a lot of, no, not for this. Not for that. You know what he could be, right?

No, not for that. But for this. You do have a name. Do I? Do you not know your own name? I don't know. Oh, you know what? I thought this because you mentioned it, you mentioned it in the group

text and you did not react to it in a way that I was like, I don't know if he even knows that's his character's name. Yeah. I might have just gone over my head completely. And if it was your name, that'd be a tough thing for it to do. You got severance from your own severance. I might have been severance while I was there. Oh my God. Oh my God.

They make every actor do that. Oh my God. Stephen. Stephen. Oh, yeah. I could feel that. Yeah. I definitely could feel that.

I can go back to that place. Now that I remember. I can go back to that place. I did feel Stephenish while we were shooting it. Yeah. Stephenish. Future president. Stephen, uh, again.

Stephenish Smith. Oh, God. Talk about things I would like to wipe from my brainstem. He wants to be president so bad. He is on the fucking loose, dog. And I love it. He's contractually allowed to talk ever more about becoming president. It's wild.

I think it could happen. I believe it. I think it could happen too. That's still scared. Let's stay on track. Okay. Episode three, first season, Stephen. Stephen.

What do you? V. You should know. What does it feel? It feels V. What's your motivation? It's V, isn't it? I could tell it was V.

You're damn right. Yeah. God, he knows. He really studies this stuff. Like the corner of two walls. That's right. That's right. Spoiler, there are walls and stuff.

We should have said that ahead of time. And hallways. Guys have something else that's not really on track? I don't believe in spoilers. I just don't believe in it. What does that mean? At whatever time it came out, if you didn't watch it then, fuck you, dude.

That's it. No, but I think warning people who aren't normally tuning into this for that. That's on them. Just warning them that up and Until that certain... And people are going to be mad, too, because they're going to want to hear the podcast. And you just got to prepare for that. I would like to talk to my friends about the show that I like.

I would like to remove the spoiler alert that we gave before, because so far we haven't spoiled anything. I think we did. But Stephen is huge. You kidding me? You showed the scene with Stephen? What did Stephen... Actually, I do have a question. Would you have the answer if I asked it?

Almost definitely not. In the clip, the thing you're upset about... As you'll recall, I'm sure, sorry. I don't mean to explain your own. Honestly, I didn't remember. Someone, watch, people have been sending me this clip, so I am like being refreshed. I mean, really, season one was so long ago. Yes, it was 2022.

It's crazy. It's so long ago. This is why I saw Stephen. Yeah, I was like, dude, I can't go back. I have to go back. But I'm pretty sure I had met you by then. So I should have noticed you the first time and I'm sorry that I didn't. Okay, thank you.

I've been waiting for that apology. I know, I could feel it. What was I fucking talking about so passionately? You had a question? You had a question. You're talking about a woman who is pregnant, who got after a company activated severance or allowed severance, a month later, a woman got pregnant at work. Yes. And you're arguing that, like, how could you possibly be saying this is ethical?

Yes, big ethical problem. A month later, this girl got, lady got pregnant. And I'm, and my question was, does that imply, and this is probably a stupid question, but I'm not. afraid to ask it. Does that imply that other companies that aren't just Lumen are also using severance at their companies, letting their workers be severed? Or did we already know that? And I should have. But it feels like he works at Lumen. So it's like if other companies are also doing severance, that means he's at like the headquarters of what's kind of a global problem. If other companies are going to start. Like, yeah, the story we're watching is now suddenly even

more important because it's not just about this one company that does this to their workers. It would be then they license out the tech to all these other companies. I assumed the one company, but I should say to you with extreme clarity, I do not know shit.

And you know what? Me neither. Even possibly less than you know. So what did you know when you were playing the role? Borderline nothing. I knew what I had read of the scripts, which were not, you know, not massive amounts from previous auditions on like the basic premise of the show.

From trying to be Zach Sherry. It's so funny. Increasingly larger or increasingly smaller characters. I see where this fits. Exactly. And it was, yeah, it was super nice and easy breezy. Were you actually talking to that person? Or was that person was very close to me physically.

We weren't, it's like green screened, I think, probably whatever it's on. She becomes a big character. Yeah, she does. Yeah, I think. And when I met her, I saw. sort of assumed that we were roughly the same tier of person. Yeah, fair enough. Because I didn't.

You're like, oh, we're both kind of just here for a little bit. Yeah. And I think looking, now seeing her like in every episode. How does that feel? And I do not, I have never experienced envy or jealousy in my life. Me neither. What even is that? Sorry you said envy, the two letters.

NNV? Yep. Nevada. I don't know. No, her. Adam Scott obscuring your face for a large chunk of that both poetic and also to the person

whose face got obscured it was hilarious Are you asking me? Yeah, that's good. I did think that it was hilarious because it was kind of a thing where I would laugh at that. Having come in for...

It's so funny visually because you're our friends. Again, having come in for increasingly smaller, small roles, you get the script and you're like, oh wow, It's actually like, it's actually a decent amount of stuff. So funny. It's not like a huge role or anything, but there's like a lot of lines.

That's so funny. And they're like, wow, they really found a way. I'm seeing me, but I'm hearing my voice, but I'm blurry. Okay, but surely they're going to, there's she, there she is. Okay. We're seeing a lot of her. No, okay. I just feels not accidental.

That's so. The blocking of the scenes seems very deliberate. It does feel vaguely prankish. Did you piss off? Ben Stiller at any point in your career. I don't think so. He was so nice. Would you like to say anything to Ben while you have a microphone?

No. I mean, I would only say, sure, you've done such a wonderful job. And if, you know, you ever needed that character to recur, I could see a lot of ways in which it would work. It would work. The fans are demanding. Fans are demanding. I'm that deep in the subreddit. They call them the stevedores.

Those are the ones who are really pushing for more Stephen. So to go back to the subreddit. I'm not on the subreddit. at all, by the way. Good. And again, that kind of goes back to what I'm saying. I don't even really recommend it because if you go too deep, I just think sometimes it's a little too much about trying to get every little,

I zoomed in on this and I checked on it. And it's like some of that is there so that you can appreciate it upon revisiting. If you get through, what a blessing to get through a TV show and go like, let me take another spin at that because that was really interesting. And then have your viewership enhanced. So you're re-watching the episodes. Yeah, I just, yes, I just started this weekend. I'm on episode five, I think.

I think it just did five of season one. And I don't think I'm going to re-watch season two because here's the other crazy thing. The beginning of season two, I was like, I don't think this show and I get along anymore. My concern was that was slow. I was like, it's losing me. I'm not sure there's too many things.

The finale of episode, or the last episode was, the finale of season one. Yeah. was one of the great television shows. It was amazing. Incredible. Almost criminal how long we had to wait. Almost criminal.

How long we had to wait for a season two. In the subreddit, maybe this is disproving that I'm not deep, but I went back just to make sure I grasped all the concepts. And people were like, after the, I checked, I looked ahead at the subreddit for the episode of the finale, just to be like, what did people say right after they saw that? And what they said was like, I can't believe we got to wait another year. I can't believe. We have to wait 12 more months.

And it was like, oh, boy, you have to wait like that times three before you're going to get another episode. Right. Or two. Two and a half. Part of, like, my subreddit psychology. And I've made this mistake before. Like, honestly, I really enjoyed the last season of the White Lotus. But the thing about the White Lotus was last season, I felt like the subreddit collectively

was trying harder than the writers actually wound up having tried. Like, there was the invention of theories and details being read into in ways that were just beyond what the intent was it turned out for that season. And severance, any show like this seems to be, you know, teasing, knowing that the audience will inevitably go and spin off into their own sorts of rabbit holes. But the question of will it get paid off, right? So the finale of season one, I was like, okay, they're doing. it. Now, after episode seven, I'm like, finally, they're doing it. And hanging in the, and this is like the lost problem. Is that like, you can get these signs that they're doing it. The question is, at the very end, will this all pay off? And I am so hopeful that severance will. I think it will.

I've just been burned before. I think it will too. What's, what solved my burn of lost, because lost, I felt like I thought we were collecting all these clues and would be rewarded and we were not. And I think it's because I went into it thinking they were going to tell me the answers. And what cured me of that was when I watched the leftovers. Because the leftovers was like, hey, we're not going to tell you why. It's going to happen. And we're making a show about what happens after it happens because they don't know why either. So why should you know why? We're not solving it. And so then once I accepted that, I really liked that show.

I agree with that so much. Mine is like a little bit in reverse where like I, you said that leftovers cured. I thought of like lost, like primed me for leftovers. Right. So I'm like, okay, now I know the way these people work is. Yes. Some of the shit is just not going to get answered. And there's no way a certain point in to leftovers, you're like, they can't answer all this shit.

Like severance, which I do have full faith will pay off, so to speak. They're not going to be able to tell you what all the shit is. Some of this is just going to be like, oh, yeah, and that happened. And we couldn't tie up every single piece of this. So the questions are, like what's exciting is to think which of the things will be the ones that are answered. Right. I hope to find out. When Stephen is revealed as Stephen Lumen.

Huge. It's going to be. I'm not supposed to say. Can we go back to talking about the show I like? Episode seven. Wait, is that the one that just was on? The one before that? A second to last.

So the episode about Gemma, the big reveal. Jen is in all the different rooms. Yeah, yeah, yeah, all those rooms. That, I mean, but just the, I sort of just palpably experienced what it's like to be out in a broader world after being claustrophobically inside of these hallways. And just like, it was weird to be like, I have this feeling when I watch The White Lotus, when I watch Succession, where I'm like, I am enjoying this not merely because this is a really well-constructed show. Also because I'm into the aesthetics of it. And I just found myself being like, oh, wow. That episode was beautiful.

It was just beautifully shot, decorated, like the plants I loved. The woman who directed that. He's a cinematographer. That was her first time directing an episode. It was gorgeous. It was gorgeous in every way. And the broader takeaway, though, being... What's her name?

Do you know? Jessica Lee Gagne. Nice. She knocked that shit out of the point. Yeah, she really did. And, again, knocked me on my ass. That episode was like, It's crazy to see a sea change in, again, the depth that I go of the subreddit, which is not too deep.

I'm not reading other theories. I gave a couple other people too much. I was reading it and then was like, okay, this is nuts. That's obviously not going to happen. I'm like a catfish. I'm just like everything on the sea floor. I'm just like hoovering up. Yeah, that's crazy.

You don't worry that you're like, this is a waste of my. I mean, okay. I don't know what that accent is, but I know that. that, you know. To watch people go. Steve Adore 59 was like, this shit is actually a dream sequence. People love,

loved Mark and Helley. They loved that. And then in one episode, after, I mean, right after they have sex did first. The percentage increase in any mark having sex has absolutely skyrocketed. Dude is getting more laid than he's ever been in his life.

He was extremely not having sex in there. And now he's having... I had never, ever even. All over the place. Probably never. Any Mark had probably never had sex. And now Any Mark is doing it on the regular. And then after episode seven, everybody was like, Kelly.

Like, this is, it was crazy that they did such a good job of portraying the love that Mark had for his wife and that they had as like a couple. We had known nothing about that. So we weren't really even understanding his pain yet. We were told about it. Jed wife, that sucks, I guess. Like, okay. Let's watch these people have sex under this desk. Yeah, to speed run through a lifetime of a relationship and have that not feel like it's cheap

and that they did it for, again, an artificial pulling of a puppet string is so hard. And by the end, yeah, that's exactly the right reaction. You feel bad that you were rooting for this other, you were shipping the wrong couple. You also get hot Adam Scott in there, which you don't really get for most of the show. I mean, and we needed. We needed a little bit. We just need to be like, yeah. I bet he was like, hell yeah. I can just throw my fastball in the middle of the...

Because people are starting to lose... I saw people using the meme of like, you don't love this guy, you just are on SSRIs or something like that. Of the like, if you stop taking your beta blockers, this is going to go away. Yeah, then he comes out there and you're like, oh, no, no, no, he's got...

Yep, this is that. You're losing him in the... He's getting lost in the role. It's the point. He's been playing, his sex appeal has been playing kind of left-handed this whole time. And he's like, let me actually show you. Just so you know.

No? Yeah. My hook actually looks like this. Yeah. And you're like, oh, my gosh. That's right. Delicious. That's right. There's our haughty. And so that's really what I think Severance is about what boils down to. Yeah, I agree. You know? It's like, okay, wait, can I ask a question? Just a thought about this? Yeah, yeah. I don't know what episode it is. When I watch, I watch and I kind of, I don't delve. I don't like go in to see all the secret thoughts, et cetera. I'm not in the subreddits. Good, again. I'm saying it and I feel like you still think I might be insulting you. when Helena sees Mark at the diner or whatever? Yeah, the Chinese restaurant, I believe. The Chinese restaurant, thank you. And says the wrong name for Gemma.

Do you know what I'm talking about? She calls her like Hannah or something and Mark correct her? Yes, yes, yes. What do we think is going on? So two things I thought were happening there. One is that's the classic move when you are trying to throw shade at someone's X. Yeah, yes. Like, oh, how's, how's Kristen?

Her name is Katie. Yeah. Like that thing? Yeah, yeah. You know, but you don't want. You knew that. You knew. The other thing is, is she testing his cognitive, just sort of like.

Could be. It always could be that. Which is also what episode seven was about. Yeah, it's the whole thing. Interesting. Testing your pain tolerance. Yeah. Your emotional pain tolerance.

That is. That guy. By the way, I learned my, yeah, fuck that guy. And that's no offense to him, you know? It's just like, buddy, I'm never, it's like, I feel like there's a guy in Green Mile that as soon as he, he's either sucks or is an incredible actor because I was like, if I ever see that guy again, I'll punch him and I won't feel bad. He'll get it.

He'll know why. Yeah, and that's how, Dr. Maurer, you're next on that list. Like, that guy sucks. That guy sucks. He's a creep. He played a creep so well that I never want to see that. Oh, my God. In her mouth as the dentist was...

Don't you feel like they could come back to him and you could see him in the outside world and you'd be like, oh, I see kind of how he got here. Like, Severance would do that. Severance, they're not going to... No. Not to me. Maybe to find a way for you to be like,

oh, I get why he, like, wants to pretend to be a dentist. It actually checks out. No, because I... Because if you think he's just pretending to be a dentist... Dr. Maurer, as an Audi is Stevens' assistant. Yeah. His asshole. boss who he's browbeaten by and he's taking it out on, yeah, Miss Casey.

Miss Casey. Oh, my God. Just what a show. There's just so much happening. How many more episodes are there? I think it, well, last season went to nine. So I would have thought eight, but maybe nine. We're looking it up. So there's either one or two left. It's got to be two left. There are two more. Okay, good. So that's what I'm right. The after hour is the next episode. And then the last episode is Cold Harbor, which feels like it's been signaled, of course, by the room.

Sure. Again, if you haven't watched the show, I hope you enjoy us nerding out about it. It's just the thing that I've been dying to talk about with friends who are watching. But Cold Harbor's not just the room. It's also that's the project that Mark's working on. He's going to finish Cold Harbor. And it was also, it was written on the crib that he was building in the flashback.

And I don't think that matters. That's probably just like shout out to that prop director. But it's just an interesting. Well, no, I don't think it was an accident. See, this is me of the catfish being like. I don't think it was an accident, but I don't think it definitively tells us that Cold Harbor is going to be baby related. Yeah, I feel like that episode eight is very, you know, when you go to like a super fancy restaurant and the chef is like, and for this course, it's a parsnip steak. And you're like, I would never eat this, but let's see what you got, bro?

I'll try it. That's that, this to me is the parsnip steak episode where they're like, what if we did this? I love that. I love imagining a writer's room where they're like, how about this insane thing? And someone goes, yeah, absolutely. Let's absolutely do that. Yes, but you have to trust the restaurant. Yeah, exactly.

You can't do it at a gas station. And to the point of, like, living in this claustrophobic series of hallways and now, like, actually exploring the rest of the map. Mm-hmm. Which is named after the people. So you're like, this is clearly not just in the company, which I think is when we get our most crucial piece of information is when you in the real world are talking about, like,

I love the little bits that take it out into the, like at the dinner party, in season one episode two question mark where they have the non-dinner dinner dinner party where they're all sitting around it's all Rickin's intellectualist friends talking about nothing

but saying a lot of words and they're having a dinnerless dinner where they focus more on sating themselves with the conversation and really digging into each other's brains instead of being distracted by the food it's like perfect that's why I love Rickin as a character he's perfectly written

his friends suck and then when severance comes up you feel everyone go like the way like if now I'm not even going to quote anything that could come up but like think of the hot button topics that like make everybody go like I have an opinion I wonder what your opinion is we don't really talk about this comes up in conversation and then you see all these people who like performatively like to show you how smart they are give their take on it's very interesting and then your news report you hear that it's like might be happening at other companies there's like other stuff, it's why I watch shows now with the captions on, because sometimes like hearing what the TV is saying in the background, while not crucially important, does add like a context

that makes you go, that is what we would do. We would absolutely respond to severance with something like that. We're just officially at a point where Michael Cruz Kane, who is one of the characters you're describing, has no idea what the fuck you're talking about. Really? That is totally true. You're at a level of rewatch, but also like of pay attention that I don't achieve. Even though I watch Severance. You're very close to, like, teaching a class on Severance. I think that's the level of writing fanfisher. Oh, God.

I don't mean that you would want to. Oh, we can talk about something else that's mortifying. I would like to stay in the world of entertainment and bring you the other story that I want to talk to you about. What's that? Yeah, great. Did you guys see Saltburn? I didn't see Saltburn, but I did because of this. I went, I clicked the link to the video of the scene, and I wish I hadn't clicked on it.

Well, Katie. Oh, which scene is it? It was when he f***ed the ground? This scene is this scene. Oh my God, you can't show this at work. You can't make me watch this. And just in case you're not familiar with this video, by the way, this is, in fact, Barry Keoggan,

sneaking in and drinking the bathwater in the tub that Jacob Allardy's character had just bathed and ejaculated in. You better be going somewhere with this. He's really... Because what the fuck? What? Why are we? So I bring that scene up because the bathtub from Saltburn

Oh my God. Has been purchased by a guy who collects stuff from movies. His name is Pablo Torre. And a bathtub is here today. I'm going to wheel out the bathtub. Is it, I don't want to call the, do not play the clip again. I just am at, did we ever see a, no. No, no.

Do we ever see a wide of the toe? Oh my God, it's like, look at the hocksure of it. The slurping does. Turn it off. Do we ever see the tub? Good night. Good night, mate. Is it like a claw foot?

There you go. Pause, pause. Pause. Baws. Legally, you have to pause. So there's a wood sort of like, uh, well, you think. rim, I guess.

I can't tell if it's old or new. It's new-ish. It's definitely game-used, is the point. No, I meant, like, if that's, what type of, what style of... Expensive? Yeah. Expensive. So, like, the whole premise of Saltburn is that these guys are doing stuff inside of this

estate in England. That's the whole point? That's, honestly, like, more or less the point. They're, like, watching this house or something? Hey, these guys are splurping each other's goo. In Jacob-Blority's family, they have this estate. Okay. And they are...

The state is called Saltburn, I guess. Yes. And these are like two buddies? So, I mean... Longer story summarized is that Barry Keoggen... I don't know. I think it's just... I thought it was Keegan, but maybe it's...

No, I think he's... Say yours again? Keogne. That's right. Barry Keoggin is a student at the same school, and he gets taken in by Jacob O'Lordy, and it's this whole kind of, like, difference in class dynamic.

But Barry Keegan is also like this incredible con man in other words Talented Mr. Ripley One might even dare say Yeah Anyhow this guy bought this Bad Tub for $4,375 in an

online auction Talented Mr. Sip me Is that something? Oh! Oh no! No no no No no no No

Sorry you were saying If you weren't sure That Katie is lightly stoned God what? When people ask Mr. Harvey, this guy's name is Mr. Harvey, his first name I believe, Mike Steve. Steve Harvey, oh my God, I'm very believe. Steve Harvey, that mustache doing work on that tub.

It's like. When people ask Mr. Harvey what he does with the bathtub, his answer is simple. Quote, I just look at it, he said. I'm looking at it right now. Barry Keoggin was right there. It's so crazy to me, period, end quote. I mean, this is this dude is. I mean, if I had to guess, an outwardly extremely horny guy, whoever bought this.

But he's a movie, if it wasn't a movie collector guy, then I would feel like more so that. But movie collector guy, if he wants to collect all the iconic things from movies, he can power through, you know, how weird that is. It just feels like you've got that thing in your house so someone can say, what is this? And you can go, have you seen this scene from Saltburn? Do you know, Betty Kulgin? Do we know the other... Already better than his, if I may.

Do we know what other things from what other movies he has? Other saltpurn memorabilia he bought in the auction. Oh, well, that's different. That's also... Dude, a frame photo of Mr. Allardy and Mr. Keoggan. Okay. And ensembles at the actors wore in the film,

which won awards for costume production and design. Also, the bathtub came complete with stains around its drain. Oh, my God. Fake stains. Stains like stains. I don't know. I'd call it a stain. The production...

That doesn't tend to... Edible paint. Edible paint stains. In case, Keoghan accidentally dislodged some of the stains. They were edible. Stain a tub. I'm looking for one of you to take that over. I don't think you can stain a tub with that.

I'm not aware of the... I don't think it's stains. ...of the acid content being enough to stain the tub. Mr. Harvey estimated that he'd acquired about 200 pieces, this is across all of cinema. Okay. And that he had paid about $70,000 for all of them. Though a handful had cost him... Thousands of dollars. Most were bought for hundreds of dollars, he said.

They include dozens of clothes previously owned by Joe Exotic. No. Subject of the Netflix documentary series, Tiger King. Several outfits worn by Lady Gaga in the film House of Gucci. Okay, sure. A mask and two vans from the horror movie The Black Phone. Never heard of that. Not familiar?

I don't like horror movies, though. A horse trailer from Twisters. Okay, sick. And a diner sign from Friday the 13th, one of his favorite horror fans. That's cool. Okay, so it's kind of all in like a big warehouse. house. In his residence, it seems. Okay, so he's having that moment you described like 50 times throughout us.

And have you ever seen Friday the 13th? This is a sign from that. There are lots of people who buy at auction, props, costumes from movies, memorabilia. I mean, which is not unfamiliar to anybody who owns, like, sports memorabilia. Of course, like, this is their version of that. And so who am I to say that you can't have? in this photograph, a framed autographed photo of

Joe Exotic, I guess. I guess. I don't know. But... I think the bath... I'm interrupting you. The bathtub is for sex thoughts. That's, you're not getting that.

You could get... You could have got all the other shit and not got the bathtub. Well, can I make the only argument for it being not for that? And I think it's that it was such a moment

of like, everybody was talking about it. like it was a very like a good or bad people were like did you see that scene that's why Pablo said that scene I only happened to have seen the other scene but you can't buy the grave you can't buy the grave they weren't letting you and so it was like a very talked about very shocking scene

and so it really to him maybe potentially I'm not the guy I'm not Steve Harvey so I don't know maybe he was just like it's a look this is a piece of like history not saying what whether he's right or wrong or even if this is a thing he thought. But it, like, is like a... Kyle Harvey said, quote, it's a piece of history.

Oh, okay. That bathtub had TikTok going for days. Did that? That's crazy. That is crazy. It's crazy because I know you didn't read this. You know I didn't. I didn't even know.

What's crazy is that you immediately came up with the same excuse that a known sex pervert came up with? What does I tell you? Immediately. Right off the top. Is there anything you guys? guys you would want to own from any of your favorite shows or movies? Like, is there a severance object that you would like?

Is there what, what? So there are some options here just because I know, for instance, like our friend David Samson here at Metal Arc Media is one of you. Shout out to my buddy, Dave. Your friend. Davy, Samson. Your friend. Mr. Samson.

My man. Ah, as stories I can tell you about Dave. My God. Do we have time? He owns the FedEx box from Castaway. What the fuck? This is like Darren Ravelle. It's not unlike Darren Ravelle.

He owns the pocket watch from Castaway. Okay. So we're getting a real castaway vibe here. He doesn't have Wilson. There's no way he's got Wilson. He does not have Wilson, but God knows he would love to have him. Helen Hunt was his wife in Castaway? I've like memory.

I've wiped that from my husband. memory completely. Girlfriend. Sorry. Oh, I'm so sorry. Um, no, not to put any pressure on them. Whenever they're ready, you know. Dave Samson also owns Will Ferrell's hospital gown from Stranger Than Fiction. Wow. Stranger than fiction. Certainly not in Will Ferrell's top five. I don't know. I liked, I liked it too, but I'm still like, that's not what I would have guessed. You're not thinking, you know, it's not, it's not the first. It's not, no, and I would argue even the soccer one comes to mind before this.

And that's how well you know what that one is, that you call it the soccer one. And what is it? Kicking and screaming? That's right. It's a pretty low-key, good movie. And I say low-key, because I'm young. Let's go to the next. Speaking of not being young, he owns the teddy bear from MASH.

This is a radar's teddy bear. This is so dead. I'm too young to know what that is. This is so deep. Too young to know what that is. I mean. Look at that. It looks, I would say, vaguely terrifying.

Yeah, I do feel like I had a teddy bear that kind of looked like that with the weird mouth. That teddy bear does look like it's been drowning in the saltburn tub. Wasn't Matt, okay, why do we got to go back to it? Covered in. Is there an HR I can hit up on my way out here today? There is definitively not. I feel being, I feel I'm being bullied. No!

My God, it's so milky. I should also say that I also do not want to. see that video camera. Thank you. Well, I have bad news. It's not just a me thing. So glad my t-shirt's gigantic. We're not going to play it anymore. Okay. I hate it. Just kidding. We are going to play it, play it again. It's that noise. You hear the noise and you're like,

I'm going to have a Poplobian shiver response to just. Oh my God. Oh, God. What did we find out today? As usual, nothing. Katie. As usual, nothing. You always claim that you found out nothing. And Pablo Tori finds out a show about finding out stuff.

And you inevitably do realize at some point, we found out so much today. So much. Such as. Such as. Oh, my God. Son of a God. I found out. Son of our shit.

Isn't the safe space I thought it was. I found out I'm not safe here. I would like to have us edit. into Michael Cruz-Kane's severance scene, footage of Michael Cruz-Cain talking on this episode that Adam Scott is watching. Can we do that? Put it in the TV?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I want this episode to be in the TV that Adam Scott is turning up. And his head is blocking. My head is still blocked. Even in this. Us two are on the side that you can see. Ben still is going to listen to this episode of this podcast,

call you guys and be like, it would be funny if you blocked his head. That would be funny if you did that. Turns out the TV with the remote. End episode. And episode. Pablo Torre finds out is produced by Walter Averoma, Ryan Cortez, Sam Daywig, Juan Galindo,

Patrick Kim, Neely Lohman, Rob McCray, Rachel Miller-Howard, Carl Scott, Matt Sullivan, Claire Taylor, Chris Tuminello, and Juliet Warren. Our studio engineering by RG Systems. Our sound designed by NGW post. Our theme song, as always, is by John Bravo, and we will talk to you next time.