Pablo Torre Finds Out - Share & Smooch & Tell with Katie Nolan and Michael Cruz Kayne

Episode Date: September 23, 2025

When did Hollywood get so good at cucking? Can hot guys be character actors? Who's your work wife? Would you drink a bucket of Wegovy? And is Shrek real? Plus: Paris Hilton, #MeSlurp, Smooching+ and the Shaquille O'Neal of hiding behind a tree... of braces. Also: Haaaaamburger.Further content:• "I Couldn't Get a Job and I Lost Everything"• "It Had to Be You"• Serena Williams Opens Up About Being on a GLP-1• Subscribe to "Casuals with Katie Nolan" Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

I'm Pablo Torre, and this episode of Pablo Torre finds out is brought to you by Remy Martin 1738, Accord Royale. Exceptionally smooth cognac for all your game day festivities, please drink responsibly. Because today, we're going to find out what this sound is. I mean, not back in college. For God's sake. For absolute gutsy. But now? I'll bring a fist bump to a limp fist.

I just got a non-consensual fist bump. right after this ad. Where the fuck were you? Dude, I'm at work, dude. I got a fucking job, dude. Does it make it into, so do I. Does it make it into the YouTube video if I'm not late, if I'm the one who was here first?

Does it make it into it then? First before both of us? No, well, I mean, Pablo lives here. It's his office. I slept under this table. He works all the time and everyone's mad at him. And that makes me wealthy. It's not your first.

New York Times episode because you guys did an episode without me. But I, this might be my first New York Times episode. Oh, that's right. In our partnership, this is a very legal, specific language. Can I say it? New York Times and the athletic. That was hamburgers, New York Times, right? Yeah, Hamburger made his debut in the Athletic Podcast Network and partnership with

the New York Times. Do you guys not pick up what I'm putting down? This is a very specifically, oh yeah, we got merch. A fan-made merch. This is not even our own doing, but thank you to, Ernie threads. Ernie threads. Let me get one.

Ernie threads. Look at that sick hat. What's the joke? I missed. Not that I don't listen to every episode, Pablo. It's just. I have the transfer of every episode tattooed on my back if you want to read it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Every episode. This is a key part of the thing that people are already sick of us doing. You big bag? It's an apple time, sure. Billy Big bag. How are you guys? Good. Can I say anything?

Did Alonzo at Hamburger? Did he send you a message on this room? Yes, he did. He sent me a text. I got dear Pablo, mere words, cannot express my gratitude. for allowing me best, I guess, on your podcast. I never imagined the episode of Sheets such an overwhelming response. I truly appreciate the opportunity.

Kudos to your editing staff. What an awesome job exclamation point. It goes on. It goes on. Hamburger was not entirely sure when he joined, whether it was, in fact, Michael's show or not. I think for various points. It's not clear to him still.

I feel bad. I'm glad it went well. I also felt bad in the moment being blindsided by Hamburger because I did feel like I owed it to stand-up comedy to have known who that was. I should have known that. That was like the whitest thing I've ever done was not knowing who he was.

I think it's the whitest thing that all of us had ever done. And then I got left out of when you guys got to go, like, we're not that white. And I'm like, yeah, that's, I know. What about? Because we literally aren't that white. I know. We had to lose you on account of being the whitest person in the room. Yeah.

But he was so, he was so gracious. Straight up lovely. That's so sweet. No one sends a thank you note after. No. That begins, dear Pablo, mere words cannot express my gratitude. And it goes on. I'm just like, this man.

Yeah, that's really sweet. That made me cry a little bit. And now I just love that people on our, like, social accounts, just, whenever you do something notable, people just go hamburger. Speaking of your social accounts, I don't think this show follows me. I don't think I'm followed by this show on Instagram. And honestly, that's fine. Whatever.

Whatever. I don't follow this show. What's that? I don't follow anyone. Maybe that's why. I never followed the show. You don't follow anyone? I follow my wife, my son, my sister, my brother.

But it's part of the ecosystem. If anyone's going to follow the... You owe it to follow. Well, I don't, though. This is why we weren't in the VIP line for a special. It was those people that he followed us. You were. If you were on Instagram, you'd know, we're a big deal.

If you followed us, you'd know. I only look at the people, like if you, let's say you like my thing, then I look, then I look at your thing. That's, do you realize how that sounds? Are you hearing yourself say it? You don't understand, though. Yes, it sounds bad. But the people, the people, the people. It sounds purely transactional.

If you like me, I'll consider you. Yeah, people look at my, like, I look through. people look at my story, you know, whatever, then I look, then I go click, click, click, click, click through those people. But I don't. That's insane. That's an insane person's behavior. If I follow, I don't want to be following people on Instagram. It's too much.

What if the people who look at your story don't know? What if you don't know them? What I very quickly, I'm not, well, I'm not believe this. What a waste of your precious time? I don't know. I think if I followed more people on Instagram, it would be, it would be bad for my, Twitter, Twitter now is absolutely horrible for me. Yeah. Twitter sucks in general.

It does. It's gone. I miss what it was. You like it better now. Oh, boy. Because you're, you're engaging in stuff. I mean, you're having full backing forths

with bierks. For you, it's good. That's why Twitter sucks because I log on for a little jokey joke. The website that used to be all about the character limit that taught me about how to make things, it made me funnier,

is now I log on and it's 18 paragraphs from a billionaire about how business works at my friend. And I don't understand or care about any of it. And I go,

I'm just going to go scroll through people's pictures from vacation. Can I confess that, like, I'm so glad. Have we started the podcast? I don't know anymore. This is so exact. Can we just say that the podcast is going to start? Well, the thing that used to happen with this podcast.

Also, it used to be like, hey, guys, before you come in, have like some this, this, this repair. Yeah, I've got off thing. I know. Anything can happen on this podcast. I know. It used to be a thing where I tried to structure it, and now I just see this so genuinely as relief. And I mean that in every sense, like relief for... This is how most people use a social life.

but I understand Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. This feels like a nice change of pace. I lost it. I was like... I lost him completely. And then he started writing an email. What did you say?

I was just making sure that the Paris Hilton TV series was not called the social life. It was called the Simple Life. The Simple Life. And I was like, are you comparing me to just like would you be Paris Hilton? Was Nicole Richie also on The Simple Life?

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. They did a whole, you know, that pitchfork. What's that called American? Yeah. American Gothic. Grant. It's part of it. Grant's show is not correct. That's the guy from Melrose Place, who's married to the lady who won the Emmy. Who, which one? Is this the podcast? That won the Emmy. Did you see Kristen Miliotti's speech? Most likable lady on earth. I love that woman. She was so good in Penguin. I did not see it. And her speech was so cute. It was so sweet.

Thank you so much. She seems delightful. She seems delightful. She was there. I saw her in Once the musical on Broadway. Oh. Oh my God. And she was. I love Once. Incredible. Wait, she can sing? Oh, brother-in-house. I think she kissed Dan. I think she kissed Dan in a movie. I've never watched it. Dan's in a rom-com. Now we're finding out stuff.

Just don't. Please don't shut it to me. I'd rather see the bathtub, okay? I don't like to. Because I don't want them to show me them kissing because she's so cool. She's so funny. She's so pretty. She's so successful.

I know it's acting, but I don't, I'm not an actor. So I'm not built. I don't know what actors. have in them the ability to go. That's not my husband that's kissing that person. I go like, ew, stop. Me. I think actors have the ability to break up and get divorced.

That's what they have. Can we talk about this is a good topic. Okay, here we go. Here we are. Here we are. We've landed on. This is what I brought. I feel like I'm going to expose myself.

I feel like that's not a progressive way of thinking. I feel like I'm embarrassingly monogamous. I see what you're saying. I also feel that way. I think that if I had to do, well, first of all, I'm nowhere even remotely near the level of success that someone is like, would you want to be in this scene that involves a lot of smooching? Mm-hmm. Or smooching plus, God forbid. I mean, I couldn't.

But the idea of smooching service. The idea of smooching plus is absolutely, it's horrifying to me. And I guess it is. That's just part of it. It's just part of it. I would never stop him. I would never stop him from doing something he wants to do. We would have to have a conversation.

But I would absolutely stop myself from watching it. That's like I wouldn't, it would bum me out. Why would I do that? This was like a controversy. It's always, it seems a controversy. Certainly when it comes to like the Superman stuff, have you guys heard about that controversy? No, I don't think.

Oh, so David Corenswet, who is the new Superman and the lowest lane. Visually, I haven't seen it yet. Visually, what a Superman. Yum. Yum. Deelish. I didn't. That's not what I meant, but also, yes.

Is it not what you meant? Absolutely. Like, if you, if you just, if you saw the guy walking on the street, but that's, that, that's probably Superman. Yeah. I think I just saw Superman. Check this one. He has glasses on, but I think it's him.

Have you seen, uh, have you seen his, okay, I'm not willing to get the thing you wanted to say. Have you seen his audition tape? Yeah. Great. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. A lot of credit goes to his, also his partner.

His, I believe that's his girlfriend or wife or whatever his relationship situation is. That's doing the reading with him. I'm like, they're doing a great job. It's August 28th, 2025, about 3 p.m. I'm sitting here with, of all people, Superman. Hello. Welcome. Thank you. I'm pleased to be here. This is weird.

I'm not weirded out at all. You said you wanted to interview me. I've helped Dan with self-tapes and been like, oh, I'm not given with that. She's letting things breathe. My wife has also helped me with self-tapes. And I feel like my wife has went to college for acting as an incredible actress. but sometimes she's like, I'm really not into doing this for the 50th time. So I have to get in those first few takes, or she very absolutely reasonably is like, I think this is enough now. Yeah, I think we have it.

If we were going to get it, we got it. Yeah, none of these takes are different at this point. I love the gentle. And you're in severance. The gentle feedback of like you need to stop thinking this is going to get better. Yeah, what is happening is progressively you are getting more tired, not better. Rachel Brosnahan plays Lois Lane and the New See, She's great.

She was great in Maisel, but she was also great in House of Cards. House of Cards, yes, she's great in House of Cards. So the point being that there was this controversy around her significant other in real life, her partner, and it's a function of how steamy the chemistry was between the two of them, such that even there were these behind the scenes videos of like maybe her planting seemingly a smooch after the camera had stopped rolling so into the scene they were. This was one of the clips that got circulated.

And so the question that happened was, how does her partner in real life feel now that all of these people are in his mentions, making fun of him for being cooked by yum yum delish Superman? I mean, anybody. I think the mentions really amplify the problem, I think. Because it's like, you know, when two people are talking and the conversation is kind of innocuous,

then a third person comes by and is like, oh, shit. You're like, wait, I didn't know that I'd been insulted. I didn't feel that. But now that it's been felt, I have to take the offensive. As the podcast started? So I could see that being, however, whatever capability you have to overcome just the smooching plus, a third party jumping in and being like, you should be upset about this, I think would make you naturally.

I'm not strong enough to imagine a world where that doesn't make me feel, worse. So here's a variety headline from July of this year. Okay. As this episode now. So this is effectively news. This is just breaking. Guys, we're in the news cycle right now. Uh, Neil McDonough says in variety, quote, Hollywood turned on me, end quote. Oh, I remember this. I wouldn't kiss another woman on screen. Yeah. Colin, I couldn't get a job and I lost everything. Oh my God. Neil McDonough, a veteran character actor who has appeared in everything from band of brothers, Desperate Housewives, Minority Report, American Horror Story, suits, and more. What a What a IMDB.

Suits and more. That's great. Suits plus. Switch and plus. He revealed during an interview on the Nothing Left on Said podcast that Hollywood shut him out when he refused to kiss other actors on screen. Yeah, I remember hearing about this. They have five children together.

He and Rubei Robertson since 2003, they have been married. He's had it in his contracts that he wouldn't kiss another one on screen. And it was him really who had a problem with it, is a quote. My wife didn't have any problem with it, but he couldn't do it. And Hollywood turned on him, apparently. He got blackballed, is what he. he's saying because he had this rule. That's, but that, um...

A real Katie Nolan position is what I'm hearing. That's what you, that's what you would do. Um, I don't know. I just like, I can't, um, I have always said, I don't think I'd be a very good actress because I'm not very, my, I kind of only am just this one way. And if you like it, that's awesome. And if you don't, unfortunately, this is what I've got. So acting's, so acting's,

always interesting to me, I also feel like with the rise of misinformation just to like zoom out a little bit, the thing I'm losing sight of first is like real and fake. Anything that blurs the line of real and fake to me at this time makes me go like, I don't know. I think we need to know what's real and what's fake because things are starting to get a little. But wait, what are you talking about? You're saying you're talking about crisis measures. I'm zooming out too far to then zoom back in. Okay. That like the I've always had it, I've struggled with being able to act. I couldn't act like I was kissing somebody unless I really was enjoying kissing them. That would be what I would have to do. You're a method. You're a method stature. I would have to be enjoying it to look like I was enjoying it.

I mean, not back in college. For God's sake. For absolute God's sake. But now? I'll bring a fist bump to a limp fist. I just got a non-consensual fist bump. And now as I fully realized connected adult, like I can't, I don't know how people do. That's how I recognize what I'm trying to explain is how I recognize acting is a skill. Because there are people that just go like, yeah, I'm kissing that person. It means nothing. I am not enjoying it. They actually have really bad breath.

The ability to just make it seem like this incredible, to create fake chemistry is the antithesis to me of what my whole life is about. So I, that's why I, why am I explaining this? And you're looking at me like, I'm crazy. I think this is a compliment? No, we got it. No, I'm just trying to explain why I don't, why I can't do that. And I respect that he, I think he's saying this.

same thing. I respect it too, being like, look, I just don't want to do that. It makes me feel weird. Is it, is that you got blackballed? Like every, every part they were like, and this is, and it's smoochin plus. Quote. Is it he finished all those roles and then said no more kissing and they were like, bye? I don't remember, I don't know his uvra well enough to know how much smoochin he's done on screen.

I'm scrolling through my library of times I've seen his face and I don't see any where there's parted lips. Also, I don't think he's too, I guess maybe I'm misunderstanding the definition of a character actor because I think he's, kind of too handsome to be a character actor. To me, a character actor is someone who you look at and you're like, ugh, how'd he get famous? You know what I mean?

But this guy right away. Oh, I thought a character actor, and I could be wrong, but he's went to Harvard. Where'd you go? Just so we can, I can know who to appeal to? New York University. Also, really good. Hey, thanks, pal. But in this situation, I understand.

I'm picking Harvard. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I thought a character actor was like a guy who plays a lot of, like, small, or woman, a guy is gender neutral, who plays a lot of, like, little roles in big things. that you've seen that really help the plot, but they don't get a lot of credit. Sure, sure, but you wouldn't say like, you know, there are, for example, on sex in the city,

there are sometimes an actor who's like the f***ing hot guy in this episode, and you wouldn't be like, that's a character actor. Oh, sure, sure. But, so, for instance, Paul Giamatti, Kielb Seward Hoffman. Character actor. So this is part of, I think,

Steve Bouchemi, character actor. So when I had Hank Azaria on the show, I was calling him a character actor, not sure if that was pejorative. I don't think it's necessary. Some people might take offense. But I guess for him, like, he was literally, he's known for different characters and voices,

so I think for him maybe it's different. But the definition of it seems to be an actor known for playing unusual or eccentric or interesting characters in supporting roles rather than leading ones. So it doesn't need to be like you're on screen for a second, but you're just not the main guy, and you are apparently pretty weird.

Yeah, it's like a little bit of a weirdo. Like, this guy's playing like the police chief. You know what I mean? Well, I guess, well, character actor There's also kind of like a backhanded way of saying, like you're also not... You're not the famous guy. You're not the hotie.

You're not the big famous hottie. The hot guy's not the character actor normally. Can't hot guys be character actors? Probably, let's think of one. Left to your face. I'm thinking, I'm looking at all the pictures guys. I'm looking at my brain pictures. It's very painful to cycle through.

Looking really hard. Ooh. I don't have... I don't think I could do... I don't think I could do... But this seems to be... I don't think I could do the smooching either. Just because...

I mean, I guess I would do it, but I would be so... Said he would do it. Sorry, that was your life. He said he would do it. He said he wants to kiss other people. I would be so stressed out. The idea of it is just very stressful. Yeah, I don't think it would be comfortable for me.

Whenever I've heard people talk about it, they talk about how valuable having a very comfortable scene partner is. That it's like, oh, I depended on that person the entire time because they are, they do this all the time. And for me, I was very freaked out by it. Even that feels kind of something to me, right? where it's like, you know, like, Joan made it. What's that?

I said, that's why they have intimacy coordinators. I guess. But now it's become a cool thing to signal that like, I didn't even need or want one. I actually told them to take the day off. And you're like, they're, they're. I'll coordinate this myself. You're not helping. You're not helping.

But even when they are like, you know, oh, but I was so scared to do it. But then I worked with Sarah and she made it so easy. It's like, that's also kind of like, wait. It sounds like, oh, we have a special. I'm in love with this woman. It was actually quite easy because I'm in love with her. Well, there's also just the larger context, and this is true of all workplaces, where, like, people who work together, especially in romantic settings, the performance of romantic, at least, they do actually end up dating. Yeah.

Like the whole showmance. A showmance. Yeah. Like the whole workwife premise, which we see now. I've met a lot of the people that I've dated at various jobs throughout my life. So, like, I also probably am realizing feeds into why I feel this way where I'm like, if my job. We're to kiss you, and everybody claps. Like, it's like, of course, your brain would have to be so strong to not go like,

so we're in love with this person, right? Yeah, I think so. We're performing a relationship. Now we're podcasting. So am I a bad person that I'm like, oh, it would be tough. Anyway, the whole point was I think it's almost, I think you're almost virtue signaling. Oh, no. That's bad, right?

You're pure. I wish, I think what it is is I'm fascinated by people's ability to go. oh well that's acting it doesn't matter and I'm like I wouldn't um be able to do that I just don't think I would be able to do that I understand that it's acting I I understand that but it would still it would make me uncomfortable with my wife who was an actress was like I'm gonna be an actor again and the first role I'm taking is smooch city I want to be like well it would you I wish you would take something else spin city spin off if it's like is that why you got back into it so that

you could go smooch I just feel like it would be like if the murder was real if the murder if you would go and to a movie set and when you were acting murder you actually murdered. It's like that you actually kissed. Yeah. Right. This is like Tom Cruise actually doing his own stunts. This is so close to you being like, I think Shrek might be real. Yeah. And why not? Has anyone considered Fiona probably not. But Shrek? Certainly. There is a donkey thing I work shopping over here. Let us know when you get it. The workwife as a related concept. Okay. Which is a thing that is certainly like, speaking of just like things people are talking about,

this year, I feel like I've been indedated with like workwife viral Oh, because of the cold play thing? Yes. Yeah. You saw that, obviously. Of course. Yeah, I just didn't know.

Sometimes I don't know. This one, I think, got to every single buddy that exists. But just the premise. Kind of like Hawk Tua. Yeah, good. We're just churning out references. Let's rank the things.

You guys know, Hawk Tua? Watched a guy watch that on his phone. Speaking of Smoochin Plus, you know what I mean? The work wife. You got a workwife, Pablo? Yeah, Rob. I can see Rob being your workwife. Rob's been whispering sweet, nothing's into my ear

this whole podcast. That's really sweet. He sent me a photo of a guy named Robert, is it Richard? Richard. I don't know how to pronounce. He's doing this. He has an apostrophe between the R.I.

Apostrophe and the Chard. And he looks like that guy that we just talked about, Neil McDonough. We've named too many men. I've lost them in my mind. So check this out. Is Neil McDonough.

Yeah. Check this out. Oh, my God. It's a real J. Z. Troy Aikman. We got a J.Z. Troy Eichman situation with Robert Richard. Yeah. I see it. That's what Rob is whispering in my ear.

Thanks, Rob. That's helpful stuff. We've had a side shot about this guy for a while. And you guys work, Smooch, you said? I mean, it just feels like emotionally fraught sometimes. So he did kiss her, you're saying? Who kissed her? No, Dan and Cristiniliotti.

Oh. Oh. So to be. So that super cool chick who's incredible at her job? And great at singing, did I mention incredible singer. Yeah, you did mention it. It's how this came up. I think she plays an instrument to the piano.

Wow, I bet. Wow, I bet. And my God, when you see her play the piano, you will be blown away. I mean, my goodness. So you were at the Emmys. I was at the Emmys. Did you win? You won an Emmy? I did not win an Emmy.

I'm sorry. Is that the mean? If you had one, I would have felt bad if I said. No, that's okay. I did not win an Emmy. I was at the Emmett. I did. Peabody.

P-Body. God damn it. I want to be, buddy. We heard. Anyway. I've seen. Yeah. I've also seen.

Because we hang out without cameras. We did that one time. That one time we did. Never again, probably, but possibly. No, yeah. Even when we do hang out without the cameras, it's almost like this. Yeah. It's like, have you seen?

Pablo takes out his computer. What were you saying? I have no idea. You were at the Emmys and you won but didn't. Well, I didn't win. The show that I worked for once. That's winning. That's winning.

That's winning. Well, I don't get a statue. The producers, et cetera, get statues. I don't get a statue. But it was pretty fun. It's cool. That's sick. Yeah.

And you were nominated for severance? Yeah, I was nominated for smallest role. Tiniest little half of a face. Least likely to be seen on an episode of a television from a season that was before this year. Okay, yeah. Best actor. That's new this year. They just started giving that out.

Last year's best tiny guy from a show, I think. Uh-huh. Good. This feels good. Best actor in a cable news. Reenactment. Yeah. Best actor on a TV show inside of a TV show.

I don't know. Hold on. There were a lot. Yeah, that probably goes to like Wolf Blitzer in something. Yeah. Right. Like Shark Nato. Somebody from Succession, the other S show.

Mm-hmm. Good way. Great show. Yeah. Were you in that? I'll tell you what. You should be in that. But they cut me out.

A fun story about that was... Wait, you literally were in it and they got you. I literally was in it. I heard this recently when hamburger was there. I told the story on your... You referenced it, but I was actually curious, like, what happened. I think it was the pie. I think it was the pilot.

I was in one, I had one line. And I think the line was like, hey, Captain, or something like that. Nice. That was good. Boy. One of those. It's one of those things that were like, you know, on the day of, they're like, oh, shit. They just wrote a new.

Who does anybody know that could do this? I think that's how I got that. I get there. And the director gives me a very specific set of instructions. He's like, I want you to at this exact moment when this thing is happening, that's when I want you to say this line to Jeremy Strong. and then Jeremy Strong is like, hey, I get conflicting ideas from Jeremy Strong. Maybe it wasn't Jeremy Strong. Anyway, I get two absolutely opposite directions.

So I just... So you smooched. I'm totally in Smooch City. I kissed him. So I kissed him. I tried to kiss him. I tried to plus. I just felt so, I was so anxious about this one line.

And I said it, and you'll never see it any place. So it's not a line that's necessary in the show. What was the line? He thinks it's hey cap. The line, I'm pretty sure was, hey cap'n. Hey, cap'n. Or, hi, cap'n. It's got to be so scary when you sense that, like,

or you're the captain now. I have to do this perfect, or they're, like, going to be mad at me. Yes. Like, do it exactly like this. And you're like, we're not feeling out the scene. I'm here to do this if I don't do it right. Yeah, I'm effectively a lamp. If I screw him up, it's going to be a big problem.

That's exactly right. And so it's also one of the first times that I, was on a set where it's like, oh, this is like really real. It's very real. So just like, I'm stressed out. I'm going to complete opposite directions. I'm trying to do it right. I'm almost impossible to do it like really badly, I think. The other fun thing about doing it that early on is I don't, the other actors in the show didn't know that I was no one, I don't think. So I'm like in holding with them, just like chilling with all them. And everybody was super nice. Cool cast. That's kind of of that story. That's really cool. But I was in succession, even if you can imagine it, less than I was

in severance. It's very funny. And I'll just also say, they don't only cut stuff that was bad or that they didn't like. They have to cut stuff for time. You know what? It might have been too good. They might have thought, if we show this guy, we've got to do a spin-off. Exactly what I said. We're going to do a Hey, Cap'n' spin-off. And he can't steal the show. And so they had it. Coming this year to HBO family. Hey, cap'n. Hey, cap'n. The story of an intern at Waystar Royko. That's where you started. But wait till you see where he ends up.

Wait till you see he ends up, a hobo. Katie, what do you know about the thing where Dan smooched when your... It's either called it had to be you or it's only you or there was always you. It's something... It's a movie or it's a... It's a movie. You know what the plot is? No, I don't.

I don't. Isn't because I don't love him. It's because I do. It's because I love them so, so much. Yeah. You're right. You're about to find out what it's about. And that's fine.

I can do the plot. Just please don't actually show me them kissing. Is it? It had to be you. Pablo's trying to engineer a fight between you. It had to be you. That's what it's called. That's what it's called.

Sonia, a neurotic and charming jingle writer, dreams of having an exciting life. I wonder if she sings and plays a piano in there too. Oh, my God. And I bet it is riveting. The sudden marriage proposal from her boyfriend forces Sonia to confront whether she joins

the ranks of her married friends or pursue her fantasies. Is he not even named? Like as the character? Are they, is he the lead of the movie? Sonia, a 30-something young woman, panics when living boyfriend Chris Jensen. Is that him?

Dan Soder. Okay, Chris Jensen. Let's go! His marriage. Yeah. Her refusal hurts him and he walks out. Sorry. Been there, done that, said yes.

So Kristen Maladi. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Okay. I mean, now, I feel like I'm going to watch this movie. I think we should, uh, we should probably just play it. What? No.

It's going to be the bathtub soon. That's not possible. Are you detected? Did you email about Google? I'll kill you. I'll kill you. Google? Oh, I hate it.

Why? So her leg is strewn across. Stop it, Pablo. What the fuck? They're on a couch. They're just watching TV. This is what I do every day. She's playing me.

I'm here. She's me, but she can sing. Hey. This is your color. But you can sing too, brother. No, I've heard you. You can sing. I was just kidding. You're so great at what you do. You, you should pursue this. Maybe. Oh, me. Why are you getting so worked up about this? Because you're just, you're like this with everything. It's like you're, you're okay with everything just being okay. Why shouldn't I mean? Because okay is like, it's, you know, that's like settling for a, A seven out of ten. A seven is... A seven is... That's barely passing.

If you get below a 70 on a test, you fail. You only live once and you should at least try to have everything in your life be a 10. That's crazy. That's not crazy. Is this a crazy? I think... 65, isn't it? I think you're more than a 10.

You do? Of course I do. If they fucking kiss, I swear to go out. Shield your eyes. I'll fucking walk out, Poplar. Shield your eyes. I'll fucking... Walk out.

We won't be friends anymore. Pablo. I don't know what's about to happen. Oh. Honestly, that was... This to me is very sweet. The level of actual legitimate anger. I was about to throw this cap over Katie's eyes to preserve our friendship.

I didn't know what's about to happen in that video. I didn't finish watching it. The control room pressed like a big red button that turned out. Fade to black! I was like, they wouldn't do this to me. They wouldn't do this to me. You were about to do it. that to me.

She's... Dance so good. Is he so cute? So young, such a baby. He's a baby. I don't think I've seen him do acting stuff. I know that he does. He's billions.

He's what everybody knows him from, I thought. I'm sorry. Why, you haven't fucking watched Billions. He's Jim Billions and Billions. No, he's great. He's the best. That was, that was a high... But by the way, a couple of things.

So stressful. Blame... There's your wife cheating on you. Roll it, boys. Katie, I don't think you've learned anything from our conversation about the ins and ounce of what Hollywood is like. Real Neil McDonough energy. Blame my work husband for that. I will.

I will. I will. I'm going to push for a work divorce. I will also point out that knowing nothing about this film other than what I've been Googling quietly while you guys have been saying words. She does appear to be playing the role of Katie Nolan. Does she say yes? Do they get married? Did it have to be each other?

She's, I just, the whole point of this was, she's so good in The Penguin. Did you watch it? I did not watch. Have you seen it? The Penguin. It's okay if you haven't. It's okay.

Get to episode four. That's right. That all happens. She's unreal. And I don't know, I'm not up on all of the lore of Batman and all of that. And I still, as a standalone show, I mean, there's a lot of great acting in it. She's unreal. Oh, wow.

Okay. I'm going to check it out. And she won. and she gave the cutest little speech and she sings and I should just she can have them right she's probably like married and happy it's not a thing it's just you know

do you want to see a scene where they're in bed together no what yes what has led you to think that yes is the I heard that she has a secret husband who does stand up I wonder who it is we should look into it Pablo should find out I'm gonna mark Cuban I'm just gonna be two and third of all

if you'll see he truly loved me the most. I'm going to admit to just having Google Dan Soter sex scene. What the fuck? After that whole speech about how it really is genuine, and he's like, and I liked the pain.

I just need to know. I actually kind of like seeing her. I just need to know if it's out there. I actually was looking for a way to get out of this friendship. So if I could just find Dan... To knowing you. How's your family who I now know

and I feel genuinely interested in how they... You brought your daughter to the Emmys. My daughter came out to the Emmys. She looked great. Did she have a show? You guys look like you had a great time. I think she did it.

She met a lot of people that I work with, and after pretty much every person that she met, she was like, oh, I think that's my favorite one now. I love that. I love that. I love that. And, yeah, she kind of had a really great time. And also, the people at my work are very willing to center a child. So they really like make her feel like a superstar. Yeah, no, you were mean. You were mean.

Oh, she's a cool kid. I'd center her. She had a great time. She recently got braces. That's something that's going on in our house. Did you guys have braces? Yeah. At a tough time in my life, too. I was not looking my best. I was going through a tough period.

We're going to want a picture. We're going to need a picture of them. That's fine, that. I've reached a point now where I can look at them and not. There was a point in my life. I was like, I don't ever show me me in middle school. I was miserable. I was so sad.

Did you have the haircut and the braces? Yeah, I was actually kind of at, but at one point, I was growing out the haircut, which I had already prepared for, was going to be a tough... That's why I was like, let me get this out of the way in middle school

before I get to high school. But it was a tough transitional period of haircut where it just, I had a shaggy long, flat, and I had these big braces, and I was just, but now I look at that

and I see it's the same, I'm in there, you know? It's me. I just was, people weren't very nice to me about what I looked at. Were their nicknames? Yeah.

I'm sure what's going on today? It's the goal to get me to be upset. I also, I had braces and it did not happen to a good, things were already going so badly for me. And then I got braces, but I thought, I thought I would be fine with the braces. No one will even know that I have them because I'm getting clear braces.

Oh, no. And just to be crystal clear on what that means. It's not invisible. Not crystal clear at all. It's braces that are. are like, you know, vaguely translucent. Pretending not to be there. It's the Shaquillo Niel hiding behind a tree of braces.

It looks like your teeth also have teeth. It's not cute in any way. So I had acne that was absolutely fucking crush in the game. Did you get on acutane? No, I did not. Good, that's good. And I had braces and I had straight up bubonic eczema. I mean, I had exsima just all over the ass.

So I was kind of, I was. You were going through it. I was really going through. You were molting. Yes. You were molting. You were becoming the beautiful butterfly you are today. Once those braces came off and the acne went away and the eczema was still there.

Until Skyrisi changed your life. No, it's DuPixent, baby. I get it. I call it SkyRizzi every time. No, it's DuPixen. Give me that sponsorship. Whoever you are, Dr. Doe, give it to me. You wouldn't do a pharmaceutical sponsorship.

For DuPixent? I absolutely would. Well, because you do use it. Yeah, yeah, maybe. But I would absolutely do it. I would shoot DuPixen into, I would come in here like Pinhead. Do you know that pinhead from Hellraiser? Yeah.

With the DuPixons. I love it. Wait, I have, can I want to, can you table the Serena Williams Roe conversation? Serena Williams Ro. Oh, because I'd like to have it. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. She's doing We Gov, V. R-O is the, is the GLP one of choice. Roe, no, Ro is the company that she gets it through.

It's like you can also use Roe, I believe it used to be called Roman, but then they started appealing to women as well. They dropped man and it just became Ro. Hymns is a thing. Yes. And you can get... Provided we don't have them as a sponsor in this episode. Bleep out when he said hymns.

It's like you allows you to connect with a doctor and they'll give you a prescription without ever having to... It's like that kind of telemedicine that became a thing during COVID from necessity, born from necessity. Yes. And now they think they're like trying to figure out how to regulate it or whatever. She did ads for Roe. Her husband sits on the board.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And in the ads for Roe, she's just pushing the actual product, which made me go like, that's interesting, because it's not, she's not being paid by the pharmaceutical company to push the product. She's being paid by the company that gives it to you. But yet the headlines were all like Serena Williams confesses that she, too, uses, GLP1s. And it just seemed like such a very complex, layered story that you love those. So I wanted to drop that in your lap. Pablo should find out about that. Because that was tough.

I mean, seeing an athlete, nobody, everybody's got body stuff. Body stuff is hard to talk about. Not me. I didn't mean. Cannot relate. I didn't mean to laugh right away. Everybody has body stuff and it's like every, I hate talking about it because I don't like the thought of making somebody at home feel any type of way about their own body.

But that was weird to me because she is the. Paragon of female athleticism. Fitness. And she said that even she just needed to use it to get the last 15 off. And I don't know. I looked into the medicine of the stuff. It's actually very interesting. They're like currently trying the medicine that was originally used as like a diabetes

medicine. And then they approved it for weight loss. And now it's being approved for a lot of other uses. They're actually looking into using it to treat addiction because of its ability to target whatever it is that's causing that. And so in that way, I'm like this medicine really might be like game-changing. life-changing, like, can help people that really need it in all types of ways. I just don't know why the thought of the woman that speaking about it being Serena Williams

makes me go like, well, that she isn't one of the, and I don't want to. But then you're like, you don't want to tell anybody what to do with their own body. But it's like, this is interesting. I mean, because really what you're describing is your reaction not to her decision, but to the presumed pressure that she must have felt to want to make. make that decision. Yes, and also the pressure that might, somebody else might feel once to her, she's saying that she wants to destigmatize it by coming out and saying, like, even I needed it. But in the articles about this, since it's not on behalf of that company, it's on behalf of Roe,

they're using language that suggests shame. So they're saying like Serena Williams comes clean about using GLP-1s. And in the article, she's saying that she wants to destigmatize it. We're saying Serenolums goes public. We're saying Seren Williams opens up. Admits, opens up. And these are all things... Finally opens up. Reveals.

All things that suggest there should be shame involved while she's saying she's trying to remove shame. Serena Williams shocked fans with her new slim selfie. But I do think there is shame. Like, everyone in Hollywood is like, oh, the 400 pounds I lost, I mean, I've just been walking a lot. It's like, no, you haven't. We know that you've been on these dresses.

So there is actual shame around using it. Everyone's pretending they're not using it. But when suddenly everyone lost 20 pounds at the exact same time, you are like, huh, this diet is either incredible or you're all on these drugs. And they all are. And to me, I'm not arguing against anything you've said. No, put them up. Absolutely. Absolutely, GLP it away, bro.

Put that limp fist up. No. Put your dukes up, please. I think you should do it. Do it. Wagoe, the other one. Totally. Ozambic.

There's a bunch. Pix him. Do Pixen doesn't do this particular thing. I'm saying, I agree with you. I think anyone should do anything that they want. That is also my house position. Right. I think what my issue is is that I understand the mentality

of her doing it from her standpoint, but I'm watching it in execution and it's not destigmatizing. It's actually reinforcing the shame that's associated with it by saying that she's coming clean about it. And if she's not destigmatizing it, then what she is doing is, I don't know,

It's scary to me. I think of being a little girl who everybody goes through a time where they're like learning their body and how their body carries weight and how their body handles exercise and responds to certain whatever it is. And they're going, Serena Williams needs it. I need it. I'm going to get on it right away. When really that person might not have needed it. Maybe that person just needed to. And then because then I think now that's a lifetime with a pharmaceutical company.

And that to me gets really risky. like pushing that on, I don't know, people look up to Serena Way. So it's very complex. And again, I want to be clear, like, I don't, if you use it, I don't judge or anything in any way. We're going to clip this very unforgivingly, and so you will get in trouble. You know what I'm saying? It's so hard to talk about. Totally nuanced discussion.

But it is interesting. But like her truly profiting off of this as a spokesperson for the broker of GLP-1s, I think that does change the premise. It's not simply she believes in a process. and has said that she uses it, it's the act of selling and promoting via some membrane of separation between the actual product, the drug. And how does that sound to you?

What does that do in your brain? Because you were just talking about how you would gladly do a DuPixint. You would be paid by DuPixin because you used DuPixent. So I'm wondering. I would drink a bucket of Wagovi. What I have heard is that I have heard that it can give you...

Bring out the bucket. I would drink a beer snake. Do you know those hats that you have with the upside down things on the straws going into your mouth? You could load that f***er. You could do a Wagovi in this one and an ozempig in that one. And I would slurp that shit. I guess to me, I don't have any. I'm distrustful of pharmaceuticals companies and their motives all the time.

That's maybe a dangerous thing to say. I don't know of anyone who's been on these things that has suffered like long-term side effects. But that could just be like a yet. Do you know what I mean? Exactly. But you could be on Wagovi or Zembek and die from a disease that no one's even heard of yet because it's a Wagovi side effect that we haven't tracked. But I know people who have taken it and had incredibly bad gastro issues in the like, you know, whatever,

the maintenance phase or whatever, gotten like diarrhea for real. You know what I says on the box. Diarrieal. Ferreel. In italics. Yeah. May cause diarrhea and then a little asterist. FR, FR.

FR. FR. FR. is the sound the diarrhea makes. So I'm not, what I'm saying is, I have no judge of people who take it, which I don't think you're saying either. No.

No, and by the way, it does seem to be, as drugs that have been debuted in a dystopian era, as those go, this seems to be wildly effective based on early returns. Yeah. With all of the caveats that we're all pointing out of, like, who knows what unintended consequences, both sociologically and pharmaceutically.

And the other thing that will happen that's already happening is you will, some people can afford this, some people can't. So in many ways how like, you know, just general health is a marker of your economic status. Like this, it will be clear once everybody's on this, like who there's going to be a very visible line between who can afford it and who can't. Yes. All of this, you slurping GLP-1s. Hashtag me slurp.

Hashtag me slurp. Reminds me, of course. There's no other way to think of that. Well, there's one other way. There's one other way I want to think about it. Oh, boy. And it's the video I want to show Katie. No.

God damn. God, fucking. I jokingly pointed at the TV. No, but this is your fault, actually. I jokingly. No, because he also did the kiss. I said I would be willing to do this so as not to see the fucking kiss. I can't understand.

Can you not show this? You know what? I've pivoted. I love this clip. Keep showing me this clip. Oh, show me the part where you. She puts the c in his mouth. I want to see it right now.

Edit us, come on. Edit me into this clip is what I want. Make it me who's doing it. Make it fucking me who's doing this. I actually would love that. I think you shouldn't say that. I actually fucking love the way he rubs his face in it, okay?

I'm loving this. Oh, good. Run it back from the beginning. I have tried to be on board with this bit and I am, I can't do it. I can't be here for it. How long does he do this for it? What did he win? Oh, the mill do, unless they just cleaned that.

tub, you are, you've got old hair in your mouth. I don't think we watched this much of it before. I don't think we did either. I think I got them to turn it off. This is unbelievable. We've rarely gotten this deep into the clip. Unbelievable. This is either of you seen this movie?

Has either of you? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I just realized? He kind of looks like Walker Bueller. You know Walker Bueller, the pitcher? I don't. I'm not a baseball guy. I had not noticed he.

No, he was. And then he was on the Red Sox. And now I think he's on the fifth. Phillies. Philadelphia Phillies pitcher Walker Bueller. I kind of gave up on baseball, TBH. Well, it's back. It's back in a big way. You know I love Shohei O'Channi. That's, that's, that's, that's, 50-50. Yeah, well, a new 50-50.

Yeah, 50-50. Thank you for reminding people were a sports podcast. Sports, sports. Sports, sports. They happen. Watch. Hashtag me slurp. Well, they might not happen. I feel like you're ending the NBA. Can I be honest? I feel like we're not going to have an NBA anymore. I feel like it's just done. Our investigation continues. I know. And I'm like kind of half-understand. I'm standing it. Can we end with the pallet cleanser?

What does that mean? Oh, that's before it got bad, you guys. That's when she was still just the cutest little thing. Come on. Look at her. Look at this. Look at that hair. Young Katie Nolan. This is before?

This is before. That's in second grade. That was probably like one of the first days I had that haircut. That was the first day my mom was like, this is what we're going to do with your hair. You're wearing a necklace over my turtleneck. Over my turtleneck. Over a dark green, forest green turtleneck. Where is framing him?

Where are you from? Framingham, Massachusetts. Look at that hair. Look at that hair. The bangs, the machio-esque. Yeah. It is giving it. Yarmier Yager haircut. Imagine a second grader walking into the salon being like, I want what he has. And it's a picture of Yamir Yager. If you could tell, if you could tell young Katie Yarmier Yager Nolan. I want the Mario Lemieux, please. If I could tell her what? That everything that came out of your mouth in the last five minutes would come out of that mouth as an adult. I don't know.

What? Yeah, that was gross. I'll just end the episode. I'm talking to a kid, Pablo. What the fuck? This has been Pablo Torre finds out. A Metal Arc Media production. And I'll talk to you next time.