Pablo Torre Finds Out - Share & Starfriends & Tell with Mina Kimes and Katie Nolan

Episode Date: December 5, 2025

Would you fly across the country to see Avatar with your group chat? What's a five-star Taco Bell order? Why can't we buy sweet-and-sour sauce from a grocery store? Are fake plants OK? And can you truly love an apex predator? Plus: The conversational risk of blue cheese, He's All That, Gak... and gum.• Subscribe to "The Mina Kimes Show featuring Lenny"• Subscribe to "Casuals with Katie Nolan"• Play Starfriends• Read "Tomorrow, and Tomorrow, and Tomorrow" Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Welcome to Pablo Torre finds out. I am Pablo Torre, and today we're going to find out what this sound is. That's disgusting. Katie! What the hell? What is wrong with you? Hell yeah. Right after this ad.

What's the number one stereotype about you that's true? That's true. You love karaoke. That is true. You do love it? Damn. I hate karaoke. Accurate.

You do? That's one where I break the stereotype. There's a lot of things. That's one, though, for me. I just keep guessing them. We just ruin the day by me guessing them. What about this one? I'm obsessed with grades.

Yeah, right, which is going to come at where... This is an interesting game for... I'm unprepared for what this is. I can't handle spice at all. That's where the stereotype of me is true. The way it is. I cannot handle it. Wish I could.

Hate what it says about me that I can't. But I can't. Anyway, let's play a game. This game... I would like to explain what this sound is, though, and why Mina knows a lot more about it than we do. That's my cue. I guess because he looked at you. Okay, so I brought a game today.

By the way, thanks for being here. We haven't actually gotten together in our studio in person. I know. I love. I love. Remember when we used to do highly questionable during, what was it called again during the pandemic? We had a name. Highly quarantined?

Highly quarantined. Yeah. The three of us used to hang out. We played a lot of games. A lot of like, pictionary-based. A lot of drawing-based games. Can we just flash and host some of the illustrations that we did?

Lenny's Red Rocket. I think I still have that somewhere. I'm going to auction that for charity. Pablo drew some of the most disturbing artwork I've ever seen. Yeah. I have a two-year-old. I think I channeled what America felt like during the pandemic. We were really going through it, like, on Zoom.

We sketched NFL logos by memory. Oh, my God. Oh, bro. I love it. I love drawing, you know. And we also drew Lenny at one point. If you put up the photo that Pablo drew of Lenny... We do have to censor it. You have to censor it because he...

Penis. I illustrated accurately... Little dog penis. Lenny is more than little. This is why Dominique calls him Linus, by the way. Oh, that's great. That's great. So this game, so this is a very unusual game for me to enjoy

because it's more about friendship than it is about winning. That's not... I don't believe that. That's not what I know of you. Okay, so the game is made by my friend Rob Dubbin, who has a company called Brain Fruit, where they make cool and creative things, and it's called Star Friends.

Katie, can you narrate what Mina is showing visually for people listening? Mina has opened a plastic case. Very simple. Very simple. The size of the deck of cards, and in it I would say really bad at guessing numbers, but I would say something around 50 cards. So there's two kinds of cards.

There's star ratings of a variety of star rates. ratings, two stars, three stars, right? They are white with black stars, a varying number on them. And then there are stars that have, or cards, pardon me, that have a single word on them, instructions, which are categories. So, like, book, animal, playing. So this is where I want to make clear to everybody. We're playing a card game.

It is a visual game so far, but I don't think it needs to be. For the audio-only audience, who we do care about. The game is about takes, and it's a visual game. about how well you know each other. Oh, Jesus. It's more so than that, and this is kind of what we all do for a living in some ways. It's about how well do we know each other's takes? Oh, Jesus Christ. So the way it works is very simple. And it's just, you know, it's like a, it's like a fun, hey. Mina's trying to make this seem calm. Yeah, how do you win, Nina? How do you? You're about to understand why I'm doing this long preamble about it not being competitive. She's like a dungeon master.

The way it works is we go around and every person takes a turn and it rotates. So I'll put down a card that has the category, brand. Then I'll give Katie a card. Okay. And I'll give Pablo a card. And then you reveal, these are the star cards. Katie's five stars, Pablo's three. Everyone's been saying that.

What I have to do now? What is this WikiFee? 4.9 and you know that hurts my feelings. Are you even on there? Probably not. He's been trying to get on there for years. Damn. At the end of this episode, we're going to get me on like you feed.

Nice. You're going to show feet? If you stick around, if you increase the watch time of this channel, I will show feet. Stop doing this. You've done this already. Stop doing this. If you watch this video, I'll go after this guy. He has been doing that. If you keep watching the, don't be, don't get thirsty. You don't have to be thirsty. You've got plenty to drink. You know what I'm saying? You're okay, Mr. Beast over here. Yeah, please.

I believe it's called a truth to power. Yeah. I know, I know. by making you watch my content. So here's what I have to do now. And so this is, it's my turn, right? I have to try to come up with, let's not do brand. That's not a fun one to start with. You don't love brands?

A book. Oh, good. Oh, I had a solitaire joke queued up already, you know? Damn. Damn. Well. Targeting computer activated. You just missed the opportunity to actually do that at some point during the game.

So then she turns it back on him. It's really beautiful. That was a cell phone. It's really beautiful. That could have been the kicker of this episode. I know. Could have been the whole title and everything. People would have clicked.

Shit. Hashtag. Cut that out so I can reset it. No. No. No. So what I have to do now is try to come up with a book that Katie loves. Come up with a book.

And that Pablo's kind of me on. A three star on. Yes. So let's say I was like, I don't know. Catcher in the Rye or something. So you basically have to tell me if you agree with it. So this is why it's not that competitive because ultimately we are all deciding

whether each other get points. We are being judged by ourselves. Okay. It is an honor system. So my point about like the whole competitive is thing, too busy getting more jokes off. Really, I know. I feel like he was, he's been waiting to do a solitaire joke.

I know, and he burned it. For all of us. He burned it for everyone in the room. It was such a waste. We could have made something out. That's okay. You know what? It is what it is? Game is in here somewhere. Oh, you, mother-f-and.

Oh, you. Let's stop talking, lest we burn any better bits. You think I'm not going to try to make it again. I know. That's the problem. Who starts and how does it start? And let's go. Yay. Friendship. I am going to start. Great. All right. Begin. Boo. Thanks. Boo. I'm going to shuffle the categories. I have to show it to you, right?

Hey, we're sure. So why do we deal it upside down? I don't know. For the suspense. Nice. My first category, this is a great one. Okay. Character. Oh, boy. I have to come up with a character that Katie hates.

So does Katie. And that Pablo is three stars on. I see how this game works now. I have an idea. So this is just the thing that you answer. We are here to judge. Yes. You're just going to tell me if you agree with it or not.

And it's out of five stars, this is a character that I would rate one star. And it can be on whatever metric. I want. Right? Yes, yeah. Because a character that you dislike could also be a good character. You know what I mean? Good for the plot.

Also, character is such a bride. It could be a million different things. Off to a good start. Let's go. Like ampersand. That's the nerdyest possible interpretation of character. Correct. Are there zero stars, by the way, or no?

No. Okay, very good. One star is the worst possible. So that was a one star. No, that was, well, okay. I'm not going to complicate it. it character I thought of one but you're not a three star

that's too high for you this is where it gets tricky already judgmental does that sound too I don't know I just want the game to have begun yeah it has begun I know but we're just kind of waiting for you to say something and I don't know what to do in this part of the

what Katie is saying okay grimace like the guy from the McDonald's you made me go so fast Wait, no, I'm not. I didn't mean to make you go fast. We're going to sit here and just make sure that Katie Nolan is clear that Grimmis is the purple guy.

The guy from McDonald's. Yeah, yeah, I just didn't know if he was like also a thing I didn't know about. I don't even want to do Grimmis. I'm sorry. I don't even want to be here right now. Is there another Grimmis that Katie knows about? I don't know. I just have had a long day. I just needed to make sure we were all talking about the blobby purple guy that showed up at Nutskins.

I have any one. The character is the grief eater. Oh, boy. For those who don't know, who are not part of the crossover world. This is what Dan Lebitard's superhero name is. It's when Dan is really pushy about trying to get you to reveal something sad about yourself. Why'd you have to bring it home? Yeah.

Pablo's a three. Katie's a one. Now, but I... Be honest. Okay. I will be honest. I do hate it. I do hate it.

Okay? But I don't know if one star feels... like it ignores the parts of me that like genuinely like feels for him the grief eater and goes like of course you know I love him and so like it's hard to give

who he is a one star I feel like when you say the word hate the answer is yes this is a one star character I know I know stop arguing for mine and talk about yours feels accurate though so the reason why three stars for the grief feeder feels accurate is because

Amina is just, now that's, guys are just outdoing yourselves. This is one star for every time. I think I have intentionally tried to make Dan cry. Yeah. And it's hard for me to say that I am anti-grief eater when I have summoned, not only summoned the grief eater, but tried to grief eat the grief-eater. Yeah.

You are, you are the guy, like the third guy of the human centipede of the grief eater. And that is the worst guy to be. Yeah. It's a one-star guy. No, actually, sorry, the middle guy is the worst guy to be. Yes, because you have to eat it. And you got to poop the grief in someone's mouth.

Yeah, I guess that part I haven't ever really considered how bad it is. If the character was which part of the human centipede you are, I would say that, okay, Mina is correct, unfortunately. Yeah, I think she might be right. Does it, it feels mean. Do I seem like a bully to say that I hate when Dan gets sad? That is what you're saying. And I don't feel good about that.

No, no, no, no. The grief eater isn't about Dan being sad. It's about him getting that out of others. Yeah. I didn't say sad, Dan. That's a different. Well, that's how Dan gets it out of me is he gets sad and then I get sad for Dan. Right.

All right. You just, it's you, it's, excuse me the point. It's manipulative. Excuse me the point. Mina, playing the game or Dan? No, I'm making the point for one star instead of feeling afraid that the internet's going to be mad at me. It's a manipulative thing that is done. and therefore one-star character.

Katie Nolan hates when Dan Labatard expresses feelings that men aren't otherwise encouraged to express. No, just man up. You know? I got both of your guys' cards. Yeah, Mina, the game you brought that we're doing a commercial for for free, you're winning. Congrats. Support small businesses. All right, you're next.

You're next. Sick. Okay, well, this one's for you. So this goes back in the bottom of the pile and you can take one in the top. So I'm five. Ooh. Two. Oh, this is tough.

It's like a 7-10 split in bowling. Because you've got to find something I love, and he does not like it. Yeah, no shit. We're just explaining for the audience. And it's food. Oh. I love that means like you got the hardest one off the bat. Food?

Oh. Yeah, I don't know how much you know about. I don't. Okay. But you know one thing I love. We can guess. That's true, but that's a drink. I would say drink separate from food.

I wouldn't call that food. That's crazy. Katie and I have eaten food together. We've all. We've always order the same thing. We've all. That's not accurate. We haven't gone separately enough that I like have noticed. Hold on. Katie Nolan and I, just to be clear about how absurd your lack of memory is.

Yeah, it's pretty bad. We went to a major league baseball game. Yeah. And I ate a lot of chicken fingers out of a bucket. Right. So what? So I'm just saying that. Was that my memory?

Was that? I have to mean doing the memory. This is a two-star. How is that helpful at all? You like chicken fingers. And buckets. You love to eat food and buckets. Every time we go out to dinner, you go, let's go to the place where they serve the food and the bucket.

I could only bring a horse to water. Let me intercede here with a bit of gameplay commentary. I hate whatever's happening. If you have a tough category, you could just aim for one of us and be like, you know what? I'm not going to get the split. Sure. I love to play a game. Just say, you can pick something that he hates.

It's a lot of pressure, I know. It is. Haiti's like, okay, I can't say anything even vaguely ethnic. I am feeling unable to mention noodles. Or lean into it, knowing the one difference between us is contrary to what many people think, Filipinos and Koreans are two different cultures. They're not really that close. Correct.

Geographically speaking, correct? But you just mean like culturally similar. I just think most people think... Both tortured by Japan. Sure. Like everyone else in Asia, yeah, right. Yeah. I do love Japanese food ironically.

Are we going just any... It's open-ended. You could choose a meal. You could choose a restaurant. You could choose a cuisine. You could choose a dish. A cuisine? Yeah.

I think that's fair. Blue cheese. Blue cheese. I actually love blue cheese. I actually love it, and it's divisive. So that's actually a great, and you had no idea that was a total Hail Mary by you. You've never seen me eat blue cheese. You didn't know that about me.

If I am at a party and there's a cheese platter, and I will go for the blue cheese, even knowing the conversational risk that that brings to my breath. But here's where you went wrong. I also love blue cheese. I love blue cheese so much that I don't, I mean, I don't even think about it. about the conversational party foul that is, since when is that a problem? To have blue cheese breasts?

Yeah, guys, as a lady who hates blue cheese, don't come near me if you just beeline for the blue cheese. You know what? I like a stinky cheese. Yeah, I like the stinkiest cheese. At a party in a social situation? You know what I was told? Alpha. You guys are alas.

If you're serving cheese at a party, you got to put on a table and let it sweat. You get this stuff. Thank you. The cheese has to sweat. That was nice of you. The cheese has to sweat. Nasty.

And the other thing about blue cheese, too, with like a platter is there's usually like some sweet stuff like a little fig jam are you talking about chunks or you're talking about a dip i was thinking chunks who was thinking a dip i was thinking i didn't say a blue cheese dip i just said blue cheese i was thinking like at a part i'm agnostic i if they're imagine beautiful picture this you're at a party there's a little bit of don draper carousel speech no i'm just asking there's brie sure there's some hard cheeses i'm going for that you're going for the hard I will get the blue cheese first, and I will take the time antisocially to put together like a little brisketta, the blue cheese, the fig on it.

I will make that little perfect bite for myself. She said brisketta. I love it. Nobody says brisketta. What do people say? Brichetta? They're not right. You are right.

I've just never heard someone say that in my brother. Wow. Only smart friends. I have a business idea briefly. Oh, sorry. My business idea is. Speaking of both ethnic stereotypes, as well as my view on blue cheese, buffalo wings. Okay?

My restaurant's serving those, delivering them to people. Wing stop exists. Guess what else I'm serving, though? White rice. Buffalo wings and white rice. That's right. Yeah. For what purpose?

Sharks. What is he saying? Because what I'm doing is I'm eating them together. Okay. Oh, you like wing? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, sorry.

That's really. F***in crazy Can we get our stars please? It's like cream fried chicken Yeah, white rice Why is it? Anyone's serving white rice? Yo, everybody's serving white rice

Not with buffalo rice? No, I know, I order it and I feed it to Myrtle. She loves it. White rice? She loves it, yeah. And who doesn't? And I could just make it. What are your stars?

Five again, wow. Two stars. Five and two. Now this is like a seven, ten. Phil. Oh, boy. And it used the word film. It did not say movie.

Wow. Yeah, that maybe narrows it a little bit. Mm-hmm. Is Utopia 2 a film? Also worth keeping in mind that I hate watch many a film. I just finished the Hallmark movie Touchdown, Christmas in Touchdown, The Bills, whatever. I watched several clips of you interviewing the guests, the stars of that film solely because the guy was wearing glasses. I know.

Straight up, I'm going to admit it. Yeah. The glasses, I was like, I was a handsome man. And he was wearing glasses. I was just like, click. He's a handsome man. Click? What is that about?

It's about two Bills fans who fall, lifelong Bills fans who fall in love. It is literally about nothing. It's about a hot guy wearing glasses. Holiday touchdown. Like a male, she's all that. I don't think in the movie, less happens.

Somehow, less happens than that, than in that movie. Is that the female algorithmic equivalent of like a guy seeing a woman in, like, workout leggings or something? And, like, just automatically. I don't know, is your algorithm all guys in glasses? It used to be guys chop it, like doing, I used to get a guy that would chop trees a lot. And then he started to act like he knew ladies were tuning into, and I was like, I'm over you. I'm out, I'm out, I'm out.

It's not for my gaze. Yeah, yeah, yeah, do it. Keep doing it the way you, you were doing it because you needed wood, okay? You were not doing it because I was watching you do it. And that one time you looked up at the camera and fixed your hair was an accident. And then he like, you know, would you be, would you let other people look at your algorithm? Yeah, because I'm past all that now. I'm just, it's all goof.

It's all goofy. I'm just there to laugh. It's a post-moder. Nothing is real. Yeah, I'm past. There's no sex anywhere on my algorithm, I promise. I am... This is the most forbidding game of all is...

Can you say a film? Can you say a tool-down? This is a dangerous game. Yeah, I can't show you this. The film is Avatar. I know you were going to do that. I do it. You love Avatar?

This is such a complicated question. Okay. For me. I don't even know where to begin. Give me your card. Give me your card. your five-star card. If you're going to tell me that you're not a five-star on Avatar.

I think we're all going to notice really quickly that these two are closer than I am. And so this is sort of really unfair. We, he... I believe you're looking for, you are correct. Here is my card. So here's the thing, Katie. I thought the game was about friendship. This game has

never been more about friendship than it is in this moment. Because Pablo and I are in a group chat that's been going on for seven, eight years? Pre-pan. Yeah. That's entirely about Avatar.

What? What? And I don't even, like, it's not a good movie. No. Oh, okay. Well, blah, but, but, but I'm not done. I'm not done. I need to text our group chat that you're saying these things right now.

Don't they watch? The movie is insane. They're all insane. We went, we made a date to see the last Avatar. The entire group chat went to the movie theater together. I even bought Wait, when you say the last Avatar Now I'm getting lost

We are literally just talking about the Avatar film franchise Not the last, isn't there one that's also called the... Shockingly, it's not the Asian avatar And I wasn't asking because of that We are on the precipice of Avatar 3 We all went to see Avatar 2 together in the theater I even got the themed Navi drink

Oh I thought you're going to say It must have come with one of those... Yeah, Mina. Popcorn buckets that looks like something you can have sex with. I extended her braid and connected it to her drink. The movie is so insane. There's a part in the movie, I mean multiple parts, where the whales talk and they put the whales in her...

Subtitle. I'm not spoiling. This movie came out. This is an awesome part of the movie. I also, I hate... Tacoon? I hate 3-B movies. I had to take off my glasses numerous times because it makes me dizzy.

Wow. The movie is so silly. There's a white guy with dread. It's a spider who's a main character. Have you ever seen Spider before? No. Is this still Pocahontas-based? Isn't that what we always said that Avatar was?

The original... Spider is a bit of an inversion of Pocahontas. The global politics of Avatar are complicated. It has a lot to say about the environment. But there's a main character who's just a white kid with threads, who then has to wear a mask for much of the movie. Anyways. Kind of like a Mowgli character?

All of which is to say, the movie. is way too long. It's absolutely insane. Parts of it make no sense. I laughed out loud at things that weren't supposed to be funny. And yet. And yet.

But you said Avatar. But you said Avatar. But you said Avatar. You did not say Avatar. The last one that just happened. Great point. Great point. Hold on.

You said Avatar. Because the first Avatar is so bad. Hold on. You said... I'm just going to... Avatar. Hold on. I saw Al-A-O-N-the-the-the-the-the-the-the-air.

I saw Avatar One alone in the theater, but it wasn't on New Year's Day. Oh, yeah, it wasn't alone. My brother was there. Well, there goes any of that being in common. My brother, who literally brought his own towel, wiped his glasses, and everyone in the rose glasses were so different. And then as we were walking out, turned to me and said, that's the best movie I've ever seen in my life. Wow.

Wow. To be very clear, though, Mina's relationship with her brother is like, uh... Which athlete have you compared it to previously? I really thought you were reaching for a solitaire thing there. Yeah. Oh, wow. She's just waiting for it. She's got her guns out.

My brother, I think he's kind of the Travis Kelsey to my Jason Kelsey now that I think about it. I was going to go Michael and Marcus Vick. Well, yeah, right. Okay. But he also is like, he's like, he is like the Travis Kelsey of our family. Okay. Complementary in a lot of ways. Yes, in a lot of ways.

And then in others. And then in others. Okay. So the reason I'm going to keep this card is because this group chat bought tickets to see Avatar 3. Okay. In L.A. December 19. And is telling me

to fly to L.A. to join them. Yeah. And that suggests to me that this is beyond a single film. This is a franchise concept. And I see the semantic argument that you're making. But I haven't seen

the second Avatar film. So I won't, you won't be getting my card because I can't give it two stars. I've only seen the first one. You just are. I'm, I feel like I'm entitled to both cards, but I'm going to take one.

You're not entitled to both. You would feel that way. Man. Now, see, we can gang up. on him as well. Now I know how... Does it always have to be... Just keep it.

Whatever. It's being colonized. But now what... Now what, do I keep it if I... No, you get back to the pile. You only get to keep the pile... That you win. Yeah, yeah.

Okay. And I just remember, the animals in the back are actually the amount of points because a one star is not hard, but a three star is harder to guess, so that's that that works. Okay. I don't understand anything to say.

At the end, at the end... I don't know how to get this under there. At the end, when we do with a, you know, the compiling of the points. Okay, and you'll handle that, I guess, and she'll just know how to add it up, and we'll just trust that Mina, the most competitive of all of us.

As a woman once famously said on a since-deleted Twitter post to Stephen A. Smith, that's an easy win for me. I'm eight-miling you. You can't make a joke. If I make them first. I did have that.

I did have that. Right. I did have that ready. Is that his name? Cheddar bob. Uh... Mom spaghetti, a five-star food. Okay.

You guys go? Okay, here we are. Three stars. Brand. Two. Okay, this is brand. We talked about brand. A three-star brand.

Okay, so this is like something you feel slightly better about than him, but you're both kind of met on. I'm going to go with, this is a bit of a shot in the dark here. I'm going to go with Taco Bell here. Oh. Think about it. Couldn't be more wrong. Okay. Really?

Absolutely not. Taco If we're comparing it to other fast food brands Taco Bell would be my like five star Really?

Yeah Taco Bell's up there What are you ordering? Well it depends What's a five star order Taco Bell? I would say probably a cheesy gordita crunch

With no lettuce A I go regular Mountain Dew I know people love the Baja blast But I'm a Mountain Dew Regular Original Blend Girl And then I will usually

get like two hard tacos Hard tacos? Hard tacos? Yeah, but I'm boring. But they also, those chicken can'tina tacos are good, too, though, those new ones. And then sometimes I'll get a chalupa. Again, no lettuce, because just, you know, get out of here, ew. You know, Dan's big on the cassidias.

I don't do a burrito. I've never gotten a burrito from Taco Bell. But, yeah, cinnamon twists. I'm all over that menu. I think Katie has sufficiently proven that this is more than a three-star. Yeah. I didn't even know there were people who ate hard tacos at Taco Bell. Yeah, well, nice to meet you.

I haven't had Taco Bell in like 15 years But I stopped by and I do glance I've had it more recently than 15 days I've had it last week Are you like a Taco Bell guy? Like would you ever As we can ponder the two stars I've clearly lost this one

Do you do that's leave that here for now Let's say you're in a mall food court And there's a litany of options What are the best mall food court? Auntie Anz, number one Sarku Japan is that what it's called? Yeah, so... Something like that.

Then Sabaro, the pizza place. There's a... What else is in a mall? Are you guys just proving how lowbrow my tastes are? Is that what they go? Just let her go. It's changed now. There's like the LeBron chain, the Blaze pizza.

It's always in malls. Ew, what? I've literally never seen that. It's always in malls now. Ew, what? Johnny Rockets, if you're getting nasty. I love Johnny Rockets. I like the Terriaki one.

They always like, do you want a sample? And I'm like, of course I do. That's why you walk through. You want the, whenever it's always like, you want our bourbon chicken? I'm like, you know I do. Panda Express. Anyways, point is. My thing with tacos.

So I love fast food. I order the same thing, though, from McDonald's every time. I get a Big Mac. Yeah. I get Sweden sour sauce. Yeah. And I dip. The best sauce.

The best sauce. It's an all-purpose sauce. Bar none. Yes. For the fries, for the burgers, for the chicken. For the burgers especially. Yeah. And I'm also getting an apple pie.

Hey, can I litigate something here? Quick. Dan, the other day we got McDonald's. In the order, I specifically, asked for and we paid for sweet and sour sauce Dan knows that's my sauce we Dan gets the bag because he's driving puts it in his in his lap I wasn't gonna go can you check and make sure the sauce is in there but Dan goes let me check the bag real quick hands me the sodas so I'm like oh shit let me and he's digging through the bag and he goes great the lady comes back takes the stuff we go we

park no sweet and sour sauce in the bag what was it hot mustard I go you check no there was no there just wasn't any sauce he just straight up line he checked for his stuff oh yeah I was like Like, are we in a fight right now? Yeah. And I'll tell you, I didn't blow up, but I think I was, I think I would have been justified. Why can't we buy Sweden sour sauce from a grocery store? Because they won't, I don't know, but I bet there's a reason, and I don't want them to try to do it and have it be bad, so I'd rather just have to go there and get it.

It's fine. Yeah, what the hell? Hold on. Two stars is right for Taco Bell. You don't even like Taco Bell. Give it to me. Did I just give myself this? I think I did.

I think you, I won this. I don't know if Mina deserves this. You don't even eat Taco Bell. I mean, she didn't say you hate it, so it's not a one star. It does sound like it's a two-star. Fine. God damn. She's good at the game.

She invented. I don't think this is how this game is supposed to be played. I don't think so either. It is. It is. It is my turn. Yes. That's for you.

Thanks. I think Sweden's sour sauce as a jug is a great product. What the fuck? Four stars here. Two stars. Plant. What the fuck? Oh, there's some really obvious ones.

Actually, are there? because two stars for you and four stars for me. Yeah, if it were inverted, maybe. Plant. Don't ever do that again. Yikes. Oh, a plant. Pablo just did the, did like the Mr. Burns,

but it looked like... Just tickling. Just look like a... Yeah, juggling. Two large balls. Okay. Two stars for Pablo, so he's like not really into it. Four stars for Mina.

So she likes it. She's not obsessed with it. and it's a plant it is a plant Bobby Altoff It's good You could do something like You can be clever like this Can I?

Katie you know what? You know what? You too can be clever like this Hey thank you for The only reason I wasn't Was because I was waiting for permission Plant A plant

So this is tricky because of him Because he loves plants So two stars is like What is a thing that he doesn't like It's possible I actually have expressed to Katie. Now, is it a two-star? Well, maybe it is a two-star. I've expressed to you a plant take that I am a little sensitive about how I conveyed it to you. What? What? What are you talking to? Me or Mina?

I'm talking to you. Okay. Could be a vegetable, too, that's a point. No, what is the name of the... What's the name of the... Dandelion? No, I googled Dandelion, and it showed me a yellow thing. That is a dandelion. That's what I think. thought, but I googled it. It's before the yellow things come out, right? Or after? You're talking about the thing with like a... It's like a weed.

Yeah, you blow it and... And you blow it and it goes everywhere. Yeah. That's what I'm... That's the plant. There it is. I do like those. I loved blowing them when I was a little girl.

They're a plant with something to do. And I used to, um... I used to take them and make little crowns. Yeah, cute. Very cute. And you, it's a weed. You hate a weed. I like those.

You can have my... Here's my take. Here's my take that I was referring to. I walked into your apartment. I stopped listening to you about that. I'm not trying to... I thought this is about friendship. Yeah, it is. And you saying that you don't like that I got fake plants in my apartment is none of your...

Anyone else's a business. It's just offensive. It's a fake tree. It's offensive. I would kill... It's stolen valor. Sorry, not everybody has the time and resources, Pablo. I don't water my...

I don't water my... They breathe out oxygen. I don't remember to water and feed myself. So I just want the aesthetic of it until I'm an adult that knows how the dirt works. Get a drawing. Put a drawing of a plant on a wall. The thing was dandelion. B-Head.

Did I get it or no? Hey, wait, really? You didn't even say that... I feel bad about how I've insulted your major aesthetic. I don't want it. No, I don't want it. My what? Your aesthetic.

My what aesthetic? Your major aesthetic. What does that even mean? What did you mean? Just like you put it in your living room. I feel that's a... Yeah, because you guys were coming over. I wanted it to look like people lived here. We have nothing hanging on the walls. We play video games all day. I think that fake plants are okay. Yeah, he doesn't mean that. He's judging.

Look, it's a means to an end. I deserve to look at a plant, and that's the plant I look at. Thank you for your card, Mina. You're welcome. Pablo, it's been nice being your friend. Is it my turn? I think so. All right. It's gotten tense in here.

It's gotten tense. God, tense, I just want to remind you guys I love you, and I'm not being paid to be here. Another four star for me. Oh, yeah, let me flip mine. Another four, okay, Mina and I have to agree. It should be easy. Four stars. It should be easy, but the category is book.

I was hoping since this came up in the example, it would never come up again. I do know of one book we've both read recently. I don't know if our opinions on it are the same. My books are on public display every day. If you can think of a single one of the books on my shelf, it's a four-star book at least. American Canto. Oh, that's five stars. Everyone's saying, the book about nothing.

Is that your choice? No. No, he's running bits. A book? Okay, hold on. Hold on, hold on. I wonder what's the book? You guys in a book club together?

Is that why you read the book? No. No, I just, she mentioned it, and I was like, oh, I read that. I bet I know what it is. I wish we could do TV show. Can you dig through the pile until you get to TV show? Just looking at the pile of books. Of your books?

You're literally looking at nonfiction books in this studio. I know, turf wars by Demora Smith is my four-star books. 100%. Oh, is that Chris Hayes' The Sirens Call? Oh, Nate Silver? Sign me up. Have you ever noticed a single one of the books that's behind me? No, that would be nuts, I think.

Absolutely not. Yeah, no. There's no chance. Every year, I think Nina makes a post, and she's like, you're all the books I've read, and I'm like, you're going to scroll right past this shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Books.

Okay. Hey, you know what, Pablo, name a book. Go ahead. Try. Just try. Oh, you know, okay, here we go. Here we go. Pick a popular book.

Here's a book that everybody likes. Okay, but that's four stars. You better hope I don't love it. Babar. I don't think that was the name of the book. It wasn't? Was it? Wasn't that a, that's like saying the Berenstine Bears.

Isn't that a series? I also didn't grow up with Babbar so you don't get my card. Whoa, right away. She's already hiding it. Not a Babbar house. Yeah, I don't really remember a lot about Babbar. I remember liking him.

I can't even picture him right now from being dead honest. Four stars is a lot. Four stars is a lot. We did say it was in the honor system, and I feel like I'm losing Pablo as a friend. I have to be honest. What books did you guys grow up being like that's a, okay.

Madeline. Oh, sorry for not being gendered in my, Don't do this. Don't do this. Eloise? You wanted some Eloise? Don't you throw out some Eloise? No, she's too elitist for me. At the plaza? She lives at the plaza.

My goodness. What book did you guys read together? We didn't read it together, Pablo. We are just two adults who both read a popular book. It would happen more often if you picked one up. It was tomorrow and tomorrow and tomorrow. Yeah, great book. It was good.

Yeah. I thought you were going to say martyr because I was just talking about martyr recently. Wait, we don't keep you kept your own. No, I put it back in the file yet. He didn't get any of yours. That's the part that you lose me. Why, just keep it so screwing up. The tomorrow, tomorrow and tomorrow is the name of it?

It takes place at Harvard. It's about a pair of game designers who meet. It's beautiful. You should read it. It's a really fun book. Jesus, Pablo. So smart. So smart.

Anti-book. It doesn't woke up. What's up? Mina's turn? Sorry, my 15-second description of a book was boring. Oh, this is a good category. Finally! Pablo has five stars.

Katie has two stars. Okay, I got a good one. What am I into? I have to fight. I got a good one here. Okay, what is it? Oh, animal. Okay, so Pablo's got to love this animal, and I, good luck, have to give it two stars.

Hmm. My animal is... I know one that he loves. Uh, yeah. But... worried it'll be too high for you. I mean, that's... I'm not having a hard time thinking of an animal I have two stars about.

Right. I like most of them. Most animals. They're most of them rule, so. So it's like, I got to think of an animal that you'd be like, if you saw it, and you'd be like, I could take it or leave it, that he would find interesting. Or should I just try to get his card? Probably.

All right. Okay. I'm going to go with a killer whale. Okay, yeah, that's obvious. You have to... You can't not. I went well-watching my bachelor party to the Pacific Northwest. I know what she's trying to do.

Oh, God. I was leading to witness. I was. I didn't say orca for a reason. Which is like, I can't love a predator. A predator. An apex predator, actually. I hate an apex predator.

But I don't hate because it's an animal. So I'd go a step above and go like, well, I still love it. And I think it would end up at three stars of our being, like, fully honest. Now we're in the end game. But she's kicking our ass. There's no, no, no, no, no, no. We're not coming back from it. Listen, it was a risk.

We are the Free Willy generation. Yeah, and listen to me, I loved Free Willy. I fixated on Free Willy. What does that mean? Like, you know when you... You want it to be standing there underneath? You know when you, this might just be like an ADD thing, I don't know, but it, like, when you like a song and then you just listen to that song. Oh my God.

Like, a lot. The Free Willy soundtrack is one of the free willy soundtrack is one of the, you know, it's one of the, I don't know. of the greatest soundtracks at our time. That was like probably my first interaction on my own with Michael Jackson and I remember going like this song. Talk about predators. The key change at the end, I'm like, I'm ascending. Homey!

Okay, free willy story quickly. I saw that in, what weird did they come out? I would say 96. 98. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I saw that in the theaters with my whole family when the kid, spoiler alert, stands up, lifts his arm, and free.

in Free Willy jumps over to freedom. Sun Mankind, I realize I've been blowing up my family a lot in this podcast. Sun Minkine Kine, in a packed theater, stood up. Oh, my God. And gave him the veil a standing ovation. I've never been more embarrassed than I was in my life. That's amazing. That's amazing. She just did it by herself.

That's a six-star animal. I wish she would have put her fist up at the end. Oh, God. A beautiful. Given that I've, I mean, so just to read it. Recap, so Mina's mom has stood up and clapped during Free Willy. Mina has stood up and clapped during Draft Day. Oh, yeah, we are, yeah, we did.

We did do that. I didn't actually stand up and clap. Uh, I didn't. I let a... Stand up in clap! I let a chant, which is different. Why is this written? Why do I have a weird one that's written by hand?

That must be like a... I hate it. This looks like a fucking ransom note. It just says substance. Ooh. Okay. Written by hand. So this must be when you buy the deck, which you can do now.

If you go to, then you write in, you can write in your own. So I have a three-star card. You have a three-star card. For a substance. Substance. This sucks. All right. A substance.

Something that you are really against, really not into. And you are like, you could do with it. you could do without it. Like I'm on Yelp and I'm like, I guess I'll do this substance, but I've been scrolling for a bit. But as far as substances go, not at the top. Wouldn't be my first choice? Wouldn't be your first or second.

I'd be like the third page of the search results. Three, if you had five pages. And one. A lot of things gross me out. So I know. You can grab one. I know. It's right here for you.

All right. It's pretty hard to gross me out, I think. It's pretty hard to gross me out. Yeah, so I think this is, you can get both of ours here, I believe in you. I mean, I had one. I know what you're thinking, you can't say it. I know, but it would be. You can't say it, Katie.

It would be, I'd say three stars for Pablo, because he's happy it's there. He's happy it's there. The getting there is what he liked, okay? But now that it's there, he does have to clean it up. And you would give it one star because it's, you're only ever, you're not, it's not the point, you know? It's not what you were looking for, but it does mean you got what you wanted, I guess. But technically, so I would have said jibs. But I'm instead...

You didn't have to actually say it. We all knew what you were talking about. I just gave you my card. I'm just going to... You've put me in a really difficult situation here. So, well, it's not. Keep your card. Okay.

Keep your card. Cut it out. Okay. We all love jizz. Male loneliness epidemic. Please. There's nothing I can say about this. I know.

Good or bad. Substance. So I'm going to say... Uh, um... Gooo. Just goo? Goo. Like slime, like kid's slime? No, because I would have said slime like kids slime.

Are you talking about Gak? It's goo. I mean, yeah, I don't like that. You don't hate it. Goo, goo, when I think of goo. I'm thinking about like those. Remember those, you go to a store and you can get like a hand made of like slime and just like... That's gooey.

Have many of those in my house at this moment. Yeah. And they are, the way they pick up dirt. and lint on the floor. The hair. It took, like, dog hair. They're disgusting. Yeah.

Well, I think of, like, when you get on a plane, you're like, hmm, and then you look and on the side of the seat, there's, like, gum. Oh, God. I think of, like, errant hair gel that's, like, dangling, but not in a... Three Seas... Three Seas. I could just see you going like, no, I don't hate it, goo. There's good goo. Here's why I'm going to keep this card.

Okay. Because you're a hater. It's because the thing I hate more than anything, my true zero stuff, substance is just gum. Yeah. Really? And the reason is because, as people in this studio have heard me say before, I used to run my hands underneath the desk at school. Did I leave gum at your desk seat when I did your, with your daughter? I may have. That was me just remembering that I may have left under your side of the table.

You know. If there was gum there, it was me. Because I think I said, remind me, and then I forgot completely. I'm sticking my gum under your table, but I'll remember and I'll take in when I leave. We're both children. Why would you do that in the first place? Because I had to, I was recording. There was no trash in any air. Yeah, that's mine.

That's disgusting. That's disgusting. Katie! What the hell? What is wrong with you? I had to go. Listen, your daughter getting a child to sit. Getting a, getting a child.

Why did you put it under the desk? Because getting a child to sit and be ready to record was hard enough when she was finally Ready? I didn't want to go. Let me get the trash. So I went, I'm putting this. I said out loud. I'm putting this under the table. Remind me to get it later. And I never got it. And I just realized it while you were talking about. You. You're like an eight-year-old character in a children's book. Who does this? I know. I know. Isn't that awesome? You do this in my studio? Oh, man. In my studio? Yeah, dude. Yeah. That's fucking gross. Sick. I'll get it before I leave. Let's get back to you. You need me to get it now or you can't go on.

You need me to get it now or you can't go on. When did you do this? When was your birthday? September 20, fuck you. What? What an instance. This game was supposed to bring us together. With a hand!

With the hand! It's my fucking freaks. What were the freaks? You guys are nuts. It's just a... Just... Why is anyone touching this? Somebody get a napkin!

Patrick just... Guys, the insolids. side of my mouth, contrary to popular belief. Not a trash heap, okay? God, that made my day. Can't believe that. I'm like, I'm like, you know what? I'm like glowing.

You know what? I knew something was off. Yeah. And to be clear, it was hidden in like behind a thing that you would never. What are you clarifying? Why does that make it better? I didn't put it like right under where your hands would be. I put it way away. That's how it starts.

I just forgot. I just forgot. I'm sorry and I forgot. And I meant to come back for it. And look, as soon as we remembered it was there, I got it. What's the problem? Nobody was under there. I don't see, I really don't see what the problem is.

What did we? What would you have done? What would you have rather I'd swallow it, have it, have it in there for seven years? No way. I had to just put it. I meant to get it and I forgot. Do you want to keep playing your game? What did we find out today?

Come. I wanted to say come. And if you had all of it. of this would have been avoided. Pablo Torre finds out is produced by Walter Avaroma, Maxwell Carney, Ryan Cortez, Juan Galindo, Patrick Kim, Neely Lohman,

Rob McCray, Matt Sullivan, Claire Taylor, and Chris Tumenello. Our studio engineering by RG Systems, sound design by Andrew Bersick and NGW Post, theme song, as always, by John Bravo, and we will talk to you next time.