Pablo Torre Finds Out - Share & Swear & Tell with Jessica Smetana and Kevin Clark

Episode Date: May 2, 2025

Why the f*ck is Formula One cracking down on profanity? Is swearing a performance-enhancing drug? And what if you hosted The Paul Finebaum Show — only to be bullied for loving the Orlando Magic? Plus: a foul-mouthed grandma, an insurance adjuster on meth, an ass in the jackpot, a potentially pierced penis... and the Chalamet of it all. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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You're listening to Draft Kings Network. Jess, have you been following the string of golf course brawls now captured on social media lately? No, but... There was one in Canada last week. Go on. And then today, there was a guy who got arrested in Florida. And so essentially, golf courses are too packed, and people are hitting into other people. And now there's massive brawls, and social media's capturing it.

You want to f*** around? Hey, you want to fuck, do you want to go? This is Monday nights at a course in... West Colonna, it starts with some shoving, cursing, and club pointing, then escalates with two men exchanging punches. Audio suggests that

one of the groups may have been playing too slowly. People are more eager to punch on the golf course. Yeah, I was going to say, what's the difference between a golf course fight and, like, a target or airline gate flight? Well, I'd say the airline gate thing is analogous because you're still going to be, like, you're still going to see the guy.

You can get a braw with them. Yeah, you're going to get with them. be like, all right, we'll go back to where we were. The airline and the golf course, the thing they have in common is that you could be having a really bad day at both. Yes. If you're playing bad on the golf course, and then someone hits you in the leg with their shot that went way out of bounds and didn't yell four, yeah, you might get in a little bit of a fight

over that. If you're playing really well, though, I mean, you've got to let that one slide. I will say this. I had a thing a couple of years ago at Jacksonville Beach Golf Course where I was paired up with my buddy, and we were paired up with. these two random people we did not know. The other people we do not know hit into the group in front of us, unbeknownst to us.

The sun was coming down. We couldn't see. It was downwind. We didn't know the ball was going to go that far. So it either hits the guy like in the shoe or almost hits him, gets close enough but doesn't hurt him. So the guy brings his card up and is like, we're going to fight with the other guy. And so I look at my buddy and I go, what's the etiquette on if you're in a group with a guy who's about to get in a fight?

Do we have to get in a fight with this guy because we were paired up with him? Do we keep our distance? I'm going with get in the golf cart, drive away, you two, leave them behind. I'm going to tell you what I did. I came with this idea in the moment. It's the only good idea I've ever had.

I said, this guy who's about to fight doesn't know we don't know that guy. So we're just going to go make ourselves big as if we were fighting a bear and we're going to stand behind them to be like, you're going to fight all of us and then we're going to defuse the situation. I would pretend I'd have never met this person, I don't know this person, and just like Pablo said, drive to the nearest halfway station or whatever and like pretend I have to go to the bathroom.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Sounds like nobody would want to be paired with you in the golf course, yes? I hope they're not. I like playing by myself. It's great. I like the idea that Kevin Clark was like, look, if we join forces, this guy is going to be scared to death by our combined mind. I was going to say, this is, I think, a thing that would definitely fail the guerrilla test. And I'm going to infer based on what city was it in? Jacksonville. Oh, that is scary, actually.

I'm very glad that both of you are here, Jess, Smetana, Kevin Clark. I summoned you because you share a love of the sport that I don't know a lot about, but I've assigned Jess to not only teach me about. when it comes to this specific story, but also do a bit of reporting. And I was in, Jess, immediately when the elevator pitch was F1 is banning profanity. Drivers have come together to openly criticize the head of the world motorsports governing body, the FIA, haven't they? They've released a collective statement through the Grand Prix Drivers Association,

calling on Mohamed Ben-Solam to treat them like adults. The FIA, the governing body of Formula One, has decided recently a battle that they want to pick in Formula One is that they do not want swearing to happen specifically in post-race interviews, but more vaguely in general around Formula One races. And they want their drivers to clean up their acts, basically, to stop swearing on camera. And the question, Kevin, I have fundamentally, is why the fuck would they care? Yeah. I think they're making a mistake. And when researching this, it was so funny, there was just a thing in NASCAR with Joey Lugano and his teammate, I believe, Austin Cynch who, when they were just F-bombing each other on the radio over and over again. That is racing to me.

You're in these like hundreds of miles per hour rocket ships and everybody like does all these crazy neck exercises to make sure they can handle zero gravity and all this stuff. And sometimes when they get mad at each other, because literally life is on the line, they drop an F-bomb. That's what racing is. And so there's a precedent, I guess, in World Rally Championships as well, where there are fines for some F-bombs over the radio. So I would guess, if I had to guess, Jess, it would be on some sort of like, let's clean this up. It's more marketable.

It's better for the sponsors or whatever. But I'm going to go the other way. I look at F-1 as a travel show, right? And it's very basic. You can experience, you can experience F1 at whatever level you want to experience it. If you want it to be purely tech, it can be purely tech. If it's purely competition, it's that. If you just want to look at how Ferrari develops its cars versus McLaren.

Right, the science fair aspect. Correct. The biggest point of entry, the one that I'm in, is for dumbasses. And in that regard, this is a travel show where you turn it off. and they're in Monaco and you go, I'd love to be in Monaco right now. And as part of that, F1 is also the White Lotus for lots of people.

Correct. I have a friend who calls F1, Josh Robbins at the Wall Street Journal, calls it the Real Housewives of Monaco. As we establish how prevalent cursing had been in F1, I also want to establish, of course, Jess Smithana, as somebody who's on the record, of course, as a subject matter expert, an expert witness in this regard as well.

You bitch. Yeah. More finger pointing. I don't know if you should call yourself a bitch in this specific scenario. Well, I thought that part was funnier. Now, Jess has me shook because now I don't know whether I can say bitch or not. You should just call yourself a pussie instead. And that apparently, Jess, is how a lot of the drivers in this sport also are talking.

As Kevin said, swearing seems like it's part of driving, right? The famous expression is rubbing people the wrong ways racing. That's what you always hear drivers say. So I was really surprised when the FAA, thanks for the chocolate, Kevin, decided to... No, I got what you were doing. I just wanted some more of the Carolinas. Pablo probably doesn't know that Rubbin is racing is the phrase. She changed the phrase for a laugh.

Yeah, it feels like it was cleaned up for... Real gear head. Rubin is racing. For the ivory tower, so we can understand it, yes. Thank you. I appreciate that. And it feels like one of the first things that happened is that... the young, the young superstar, Max Verstappen, got into oppressor.

This was in September at the Singapore Grand Prix, another location known for its harsh regulations around appropriate conduct, I suppose, Singapore. And did say, quote, when asked about the state of the car he was qualifying in, it was f***ed. I went into qualifying. I knew the car was... Thank you, Max. So let's watch our language going forward. The F1, quote-unquote, stewards.

Yes. The stewards summoned him. What the hell is that about? They summoned him for a conduct hearing. He got punished. And the punishment, and this is crucial, Jess, was not a fine, but rather what? He had to serve community service. And he ended up serving community service, I think in Rwanda, around the time of the F1 awards at the end of the season.

Yeah. So all of this now is not merely the White Lotus, but also the character on the White Lotus, who like is trying to go to a foreign country and be like a better person. Correct. Like what? Yeah, hyper, yeah. Max, no. What is happening?

Community service? This is a thing? Like, this is not happening in other sports that I am familiar with. Community service. I would assume, Jessica, that there's no financial penalty high enough to make a dent in these guys' lives. So the only thing you could actually punish them with is taking away their time. That'd be my guess. And then a month later, Charler Leclair, a driver for Ferrari, also drops an F-bomb in a post-race interview and immediately realizes his mistake.

I had one overstay, and then when I recovered from that obviously, I had an oyster from the other side, and then I was like, fuck. But luckily, sorry, oh, no. Oh, no. I don't want to join Max. You have your wallet here. Wow. Poor Charles. No, he actually did the name. No.

Max, no. So these guys, what did he get, by the way? What befell him in lieu? He was fined. He was killed. He was killed. He was killed him. He was killed him.

Right. 10,000 hero for Charlotte Claire. Right, which is, like, Kevin can speak to this also. The FIA and the way that they hand down punishments in races, but also outside of races, it's wildly varied. Like, there's no, there's no chart where you can love. look up like, oh, this person is getting a penalty for overtaking when they weren't supposed to or this person gets a penalty for this thing or for their, you know, speeding in the pit lane.

This is what it equals. Like, it really is wildly varied. And this is just another example of, like, you don't really exactly know what your punishment's going to be sometimes in F1. There's no chart where they say this is the punishment. They kind of make it up. So the assumption was that this meant you can't swear on TV, right? Or that you couldn't swear in a.

race, and I should also clarify, for those not familiar with the sport you guys love, that when you are racing, you are, by definition, miced up on television? Or how does this work? Yeah, the radio feed can go on to television, yes, or an app or any of the internet stuff. You can basically listen into anything anybody's saying. Which is incredible, by the way. So that is the, that's like the anti-NFL, like that's the opposite of what the NFL's approach has been, which is, was it like, Sam Darnold said, I'm seeing ghosts out there and then everyone was like we can never let anybody be this vulnerable ever again.

Seeing ghosts. Seeing ghosts. That's not good. So all of the NFL films and miced up and all that stuff you can hear the raw audio of it and then a and this is every sport. It's not just the NFL.

Yes. And then you get like a midweek you get kind of a sanitized version of what was said and sometimes you learn a lot, sometimes you don't. But But I have, I know someone who once heard the full uncut audio or heard it a lot and said that if it ever leaked, actually it's sort of like the Mets, the Terry Collins thing, if you remember that, or they're just screaming at each other. Don't, no, Terry, listen, I'm telling you, our ass is in the jackpot now. Okay?

Okay, that's, I'm just telling you. A miced-up game is just so intense and insane because they know that the sanitized version is getting out there that if it ever leaked and a six-year-old. 60 minute game got onto the internet, it would maybe change sports forever. Right. In other words, to quote the umpire yelling at Terry Collins, everybody's ass would be in the jackpot in that case. Yes, but what's funny is that like that leaked and it seems sort of like a medium-level argument with the umpire, and we've been talking about it for a decade. To your point, Pablo, the in-race audio communications between the drivers and their race

engineers is something that to me is so vital as a fan. There have been some extremely memorable moments that have come out of it, both funny, both like interesting. There's been things that you've learned throughout the race. If a driver is concerned about their tire temperature or they have an issue with their car, or famously a couple weeks ago, Charler-Claire said to his audio engineer, the same Ferrari driver we just heard from, there's something wet on my seat. I mean, seat. I think there's water on my seat. He's there leakage. A leakage of what? I have

the seat full of water. And his engineer said back, must be the water. Must be the water. Let's add that to the weather freedom. I don't think he thought he pissed himself, but I guess we won't really ever know. And then in March, we should clarify.

The FAA was like, no, this doesn't include in race communications, but that was already after there had been such a huge reaction to people thinking it was. So, it's again like just apparently they're not going to be worried about that right now but they obviously can change their minds and decide that that's not the case if they feel like it which again makes

drivers sort of anxious and scared and confused the other thing all of this makes me think of just the whole ambiguity the whole why is this even necessary why does this feel like this is a top down thing that nobody actually wants it reminds me of the NBA dress code where there was some aspect of like this sport is actually like too urban, too black, and we need to make this saleable

so that living rooms across America feel like they can show this to their kids and everybody can have a grand old time. What I don't get about this, though, is that when I am thinking about like the spectrum of sports across the world, like that concern applies to so little of what I imagine F1's issues are as a marketing issue?

Yeah. As a marketing problem? What are they worried about? That's, I think, ultimately, the question, right? It's like, why are they doing this? And to your point about the NBA dress code, there were some very pointed comments made by the head of the FIA, Mohamed Ben Saliam, about not wanting drivers to be like rappers.

And Lewis Hamilton, who is the only black F1 driver, one of the best drivers of all time in Formula One, came forward and said, hey man, it feels like you're making a pretty obviously racially coded commentary there about not wanting your sport to seem black when you're using the term rapper. So that's ultimately the question. Why are they doing this? And there was also another incident where there was an attempted jewelry ban a few years ago. And Lewis came to his press conference at the Miami Grand Prix that week with three watches on,

tons of rings and all this jewelry on just to prove a point. Jess, was there not a driver who indicated that maybe he had his private parts pierced? Lewis Hamilton himself joked that he had a piercing because he has a nose ring and he was saying that there was a piercing that he, other than his nose ring, that he couldn't take out that people can't see. And it was a joke, but for a very long time, many of us believed it was not a joke. How did he confirm it wasn't a joke? That's true. This is now a separate ongoing PTO. investigation.

Is Lewis Hamilton's penis pierced? I am looking at the photo that is available here. And it's an important detail, I think, for those not watching on YouTube. This was 2022. And Lewis Hamilton has three watches. He has a zillion rings. He has so many necklaces. And is also wearing a mask.

Which is just like to prove the point about all of the gear that he has. Do you know that Jessica and I were supposed to voice the international A-B? intro to that race that Lewis Hamilton was protesting at and I lost my voice and I couldn't do it and I got replaced by Chris Whittingham I was on it though I was right there on ABC

I remember I watched it I wish I could but I don't have a voice I didn't say that I didn't say that I would never In a world where this guy's co-pick is pierced many drivers gather It was a really good intro

How did you hear it? It was really good It was a horrible day for me. Instead, it was witty, and he was like, in a world where this man's penis is pierced with a ring. And then I was like watching it with you guys, and you were getting texts from all your family members. And I was just like, oh, I'm so happy for you guys.

I'm just so happy. I definitely love this. I love that this worked out like this for you. This is so awesome for you guys. It's just so cool to see others succeed. So Drive to Survive, right? The showcase in which, by the way, like, it became clear that swearing is key to the sport.

Yeah. Yeah. Like, the, who's the character there where it's like, meet this guy and know what it means to be profane? Daniel Ricardo. For Daniel Ricardo. Yeah. He's Australian.

Does that answer your question? Oh, yeah. Yeah. That does answer my question, actually. There's a scene, I'm not going to, there's a scene in three or four where, like, the opening scene is Daniel Ricardo calling Netflix, the entity of Netflix, the C-word.

Netflix are a real bunch of g-hounds, aren't they? I love for them to play a-hap. I just want to tickle my scrotum and touch my nutsack. People would argue that they're the same thing. Maybe they are, but scrotum is ticklish.

Ticklish it is. I don't even know it was a very good one. I'd hog. Are you happy with your hair? I don't know. I haven't seen it. If you've asked me, that it must look shit. Right. Testing 3, 4.

Drive to Survive introduced people to so many characters in the world of Formula One, and is the reason why a lot of Americans specifically fell in love with Formula One. And part of that is learning people's personalities and getting to know them and understand them and feel with them and laugh with them. And swearing is part of that, right? not having to censor yourself on camera is a thing that people consider authentic and they connect with. And I think is one of the reasons. It's not the only reason why F1 became popular. It's not like people like Daniel Ricardo because he swears. But I think people like Daniel Ricardo because he's funny. And that's a component of his humor. And so these things are all sort of connected, right? Like you want these athletes to be themselves and you want to feel like you know them. And when you're getting a sanitized version of who they are, it can probably, you know, turn people off. And also, sort of fly in the face of what's made this sport really interesting in the last five years to

to its newest fans. As there is now talk, as you were referring to, Jess, of like this galvanization of a driver's strike being threatened we're reading as the FIA is threatening to take away points as a matter of enforcement. I wanted to get to the reporting around the science of this that you did, which I was a bit surprised to hear would enter the conversation as we have been fairly legal and profane in our legality. But what did you find out? Yeah, this show, unlike the rest of America, still believes in science, Pablo. We reached out to a linguist and a professor of cognitive science at UC San Diego, his name's Dr. Ben Bergen, to talk about the science behind swearing. And so we talked to Dr. Ben Bergen, who is the author of What the F, what swearing reveals about

our language, our brains and ourselves. a great title of a book. And we asked them about swearing's physical impact on the body. There aren't a lot of ethical ways to hurt people in laboratory studies. But one way that you can do is you can have them stick their hand in ice water and hold it there for a long time. And it turns out that the duration that they can hold their hand is a good measure for a proxy for how painful it is to them. And there have been a bunch of studies like this where you assign people randomly to either swear or say words that are not swear words, just kind of neutral, you know, anodyne words, brown, chair, whatever. And it turns out that the people who are

randomly assigned to swear can hold their hands in the water about 50% longer and report substantially lower pain subjectively. So you could imagine that in lots of dimensions of athletic performance, you know, where pain is a limiting factor in what you're able to get your body to do, swearing might actually make it easier to push through whatever that limitation is. So I'm understanding this clearly. I want to just ask you, Jess. He's suggesting that swearing is also kind of a performance-enhancing drug. It can increase your pain tolerance.

It's like they did like the Gom jabar test in Dune and let people swear. And the people that swore were like, we're good. And the people who are like, fear is the mind killer. They were actually not so good. But now the other part of this, I imagine, is, look, it's not even really up to us. Like, this is just a thing we need to do because it's a release. What is our professor, author, scientist friend saying about that?

Yeah, he's saying that swearing releases adrenaline. And adrenaline is this hormone that your body releases in these types of situations. And it causes an increase of blood flow. To your extremities, it increases your pupil dilations. These are things that could advantage drivers during races. the more adrenaline you have in your body, the more you might swear. There was a fun study that did this. So it wasn't with driving, but they had, they tried to induce a state of emotional arousal

and physiological arousal by having people, this was with gaming actually, have them play either a golf simulator or a first-person shooter. And then they gave them a task where they just had to produce profanity, as many profanities as they could within a minute. And the people who were first assigned to the first-person shooter simulation were able to produce significantly more profane words. If you've ever been in a high-stress situation,

you probably are familiar with the feeling of that situation ending, but you still have the same amount of adrenaline coursing through you. You don't just get to flip a switch, and all of a sudden you're just not stressed anymore. Well, this is the comedy of watching certainly any playoff game in the NBA and watching any post-game interview in which they are like sweating from every pore and like huffing and puffing

and then they have to answer you know questions from fill in the blank your favorite sideline reporter here you know asking them to contemplate their successes, failures and existential fears or what the wolves doing on defense in the third quarter I'm just like I don't know

yeah my answer would be I am I am exhausted and I just want to puke and I just want to actually curse it you for asking me Right. When I walk out of the Levitard show studio after four hours of stress and adrenaline and anxiety, Pablo, I don't immediately take a nap. I go for a walk for a couple hours and let it burn off me and then I take a nap. This is the same if you're an F1 driver. And then it's just like the demographics of this because these guys, again, when you mentioned Dune, I'm like, yeah, Shalamey looks like an F1 driver.

These are all, doesn't he? Am I wrong? He's tiny. He's too tall, though. I think he's too tall. Is he too tall? George Russell's the only real tall guy. I think he's... How tall is Chalemay? I think he's like 511. Five...

Five... Five, ten, according to an increasingly flawed Google search result. Well, George Russell's tall. Isn't there one other tall guy? Ricardo's probably like... Esteban O'Conn was really tall. Yes, he is tall. So he would be on the taller end, but from a frame standpoint, like his physical frame, I do think he could...

I took a photo. Let's get this up there in the post show. of Yuki Sonoda standing next to Jalen Phillips, the Dolphins' defensive area. Why were they in the same room? Because it was the F-1 Miami. I took a photo and it was unbelievable.

Oh my God. Yes. It looks like, so it looks like Jailen Phillips is going to hold Yuki Sonoda in the palm of his hand and throw him across the field. These are mostly young guys in their 20s. But yes, they're young dudes. is my point. That's the shallomay of it all.

The shallomay of it all is that they're young dudes, and they grew up, a lot of them, sim racing, gaming, online, a traditional place where you're not really censoring yourself a lot of the time. Max Verstappen is a full-time sim racer and a part-time Formula One driver.

So he grew up on the internet sim racing. The larger gaming culture may have an impact on the amount of profanity and sort of the desensitization for some people to swear more. I've had undergrads who have looked at this. So they, you know, where they survey, this is not peer-reviewed research, but, you know,

anecdotally, where they ask people how offensive they think words are and separately ask them how much time they've spent on various different sorts of gaming platforms and in certain different specific games. And it turns out that there are specific words that show up a lot in Call of Duty, for example. And if you are a Call of Duty player, then those words you judge to be. be less offensive than if you are a gamer but not a Call of Duty player. That is simultaneously a deeply interesting research finding and also the least surprising research finding imaginable that people who play Call of Duty don't understand why it is that all of you guys

are offended when they call someone fill in the blank slur wrapped inside five other slurs. I also just think it's, I think it's, if I'm just trying to like power rank the least censored places in life. And I do think like video game multiplayer, call of duty. And the chat function for any illegal stream for sports. Oh my God. I was going to say my grandma's house. Oh. My grandma's car.

My grandma's phone. My mom's phone. She actually. He actually was the first person to text me. I love that you called Lebitard of Pagie. Wow. To your point about why the FIA is doing this, Pablo, I still don't know.

I think that there's a larger conversation at play here between the FIA and the Formula One relationship and how much the FIA is trying to impinge itself upon that relationship and enforce rules and declare its power. And I think there's, you know, a very obvious pushback from Formula One There's been some really high-profile FIA resignations in the last few months. There's been a lot of scandals around the FIA and things like this, but also things involving racing regulations and the things that actually determine the fairness and the outcomes of races that drivers really don't like.

So this is really just one thing in a long string of very unpopular FIA rules that drivers are not happy about. Yeah. Kind of feels like the FIA, to quote, our resident expert. being a real bunch of poxies. Your words, not mine. Speaking to clinics of the human language, Kevin Clark, you did something

that felt like a real make-a-wish experience for everybody in sports. Can you tell us what you did last week? I hosted the Paul Finebaum Show in Charlotte, North Carolina. Like Jessica, I know the Carolina as well. So I went down to Charlotte. The day before I was,

was to host, or I did host, I was a guest with Paul in the 6 p.m. hour, which is very important because I got to pick his brain. I got to figure it out. I had talked to people who had hosted before, and their advice nearly universally was let the callers talk. That it is, especially when it's a guest host, it's the caller's show. Yes. It's not, I'm a steward of the callers. As, as F1 likes to say, You are a steward. And so the idea that I was going to come in and grab the bull by the horns be like, no, no, no, this is my world.

Welcome to the jungle. I turned into Romy and just start dumping callers, right? That wasn't going to happen. I'm so respectful of the institution of Fine Bomb because in another world, like somewhere in the multiverse, there's a world in which it's Kevin from Florida on a cell phone, right? There's a world there. You're on a tremendous amount of meth.

Yes, and I'm an insurance adjuster, and all I want to do is talk about Carson Beck. Okay, that's all I want to do. And I opened up the show by, and by the way, that's not a million miles from where I am now, as far as the math and the one and talk about Carson Beck. But the, don't roll your eyes. Don't roll your eyes at me, Jessica's guitar. That wasn't an eye roll. Yeah, it wasn't I roll.

Yeah, it was an I roll. But no, I had opened up the show by saying, like, I remember driving around Florida, and it's hot as hell, and it's April, and there's. There's literally no college football content, and all I wanted to do was find when Paul was syndicated the right dial and just listen to him talk about, like, Connor Shaw and how South Carolina is going to do that year. Like, I remember this.

And so to be that voice, to be that voice on my side, on that side of the desk was incredible. Well, what's funny, though, Jess, about Kevin's sort of description of the sickness that you also share, right? is that to me, it's never more vivid than in the universe of Paul Feinbaum. Like, these callers, and we did an episode about this on our show, talking to some of the greats, specifically the greatest. Legend.

Legend. Like, legend is this personification of that sickness. For those who missed Kevin Clark playing the role in your playbill tonight of Paul Feinbob. My favorite call did sound like this. It's legend. Legend, hello. How you doing, brother? How you doing, man?

I'm doing great. So first of all, before we start, we have a mutual friend in Mr. Pablo Torre, who did a great episode of his podcast. Pablo Tore finds out about you. Pablo is an amazing person. I love learning about you. So I'm so happy you're calling in right now. Man, I appreciate that. Pablo Tore is one of the great journalists today.

We all know ESPN and all they love these days is form. are players, you know, with seven or eight concussions telling us what's going on in life. But thank God for great journalists like Pablo Torre. Man, that dude's off the hook, man. Dude off the hook. One of the best. Great guy, great guy, great guy. But I'm worried about you, dude.

I'm worried about you, man. I don't know if you're going to make it or not, man. You look like you got into Mr. Roger neighborhood there and got into his closet. What's you're in there today, man? I mean, I mean, what's up with that outfit, man? I was the Paul Fimbombe show. You're supposed to come in here, man, blazer. What's up with this outfit you got going on, bro?

This is a golf cardigan, legend. I thought this was okay. I love being from Pablo. But you remember this right here. You are with the insane. You are with the lame. You are with those that may not have a brain. Protect yourself, brother.

Protect yourself. Appreciate your legend. Elvis has left to build it. I mean, yeah. So it was a. roller coaster for you. It was. So, um, like you were not embraced at first. No, I was hated. Um, so there were a couple of, so this is the first hour. Let me tell you the guys the journey. So the first hour was calls like that. Not to that level, uh, everybody. Of me, centrist. Yeah, of course.

Yeah. You didn't send everybody to, to dog me. But, uh, Jim from Tuscaloosa, who is a frequent caller. Yes. Who gets on guest host, quite a bit. He called me a horrible host in the first hour. You need to get your act together. I mean, really. No, can I ask you a question, Jim? Well, go ahead. If you could clear up one misconception about you that you think other callers have, what would it be?

I don't know. I'm not answering a hypothetical. Ask me a straight question. I won't assume anything. You're a horrible host. And then I just hung in there. I did, I embraced the process, did what I wanted to do. and eventually, Jim from Tuscaloosa called back to tell me I was doing a good job. I had somebody, I can't imagine who, said that you did not address.

Let me tell you something, Kevin. You have the best-looking outfit I've seen on this show maybe ever. That's a good-looking outfit. I appreciate that. Have you maybe, I don't want to be too forward, have you backed off your earlier assessment that I'm a horrible host? Well, at the time you were a horrible host You bought into some idiot Yeah, so at the time I was, he said.

He also spent a good deal of time saying I'm a good-looking guy. So I went from... Footage not found. No, it's in there. It was in there. So he went from, I'm a horrible host... Narrator. I'm no longer a horrible host, and I might be hot.

Wow. Yeah. In one hour. In one hour. What a, what a, I mean, I would say that among the things you could do as a college football unhinged, uh, maniac, this is, this is, this is up there, man. It was like I was like, let's get four college, I got Mina Kimeson. Um, and we talked about draft. But other than that, it was three college football writers.

And it was just like me, it was Kevin Clark finds out about college football, basically. And I just, I loved it. I loved it. Yeah. First of all, that's trademarked, so you can't use that. Second of all, legendary turn for you. I mean, I guess it was Jim. So Jimendary turn for you.

Oh, Jesus. Becoming less hated on the show. I think that it's not just the fact that, you know, it's not the dream to sit in the chair, right? The dream is to sit in the chair, but to get invited back. The reward in TV is getting invited back. Like, that's the goal. Like, that's the reward. Like, whenever it's like, hey, you get no, you get.

no feedback in this industry. None. Not ever. It is true. You get none. There's some several hundred comment along Reddit threads of feedback that I could show you. I could not be able to my performance. I could not imagine. I think the callers have a lot of influence over Fine Mom. Because I think that if it wasn't at the Fymba Callers were not having a good time with me, I probably would not be invited back. You know, because it just wouldn't be that fun of a show. Like if people don't call or if I was like a jerk to them. I was thinking about this afterwards, and I was thinking, if I was a jerk, if I wanted to do like, I'm from New York, I went to Miami, I'm not an SEC guy,

but wanted to go full heel, the bar for me to be funny would have to be so high and it would have to be so antagonistic. It would end up being so stupid. You'd have to end up being, like, be like the corporate era of the rock in the early 2000s where he, like, had a guitar and would sing songs about how much she hates the Sacramento Kings and Sacramento and stuff. Like that, is how you go just full heel. And the easiest thing would be to just embrace,

first of all, be who you are, which I was, and be like an obsessed college football fan and just explain to them that I had the same affliction that they do. Yeah, I would recommend anybody who is forced to host a show talking about a sport they don't actually like to find perhaps a profanity scandal that would allow them to spend upwards of 30 minutes discussing it. That's a really good idea, Pablo, if someone were to do that.

Even though it sounds, Jessica, like Notre Dame's new hotbed is Charlotte. North Carolina. But back in the old days, it was... They recruit nationally. Yeah. As soon as Miami. They just do it a little better.

But one of them's not a playoff team. Who's the next game on the calendar for both of us? Each other. See you there. Oh, boy. All right. So, so... At the end of every episode of Pablo Tories finds out,

which has been... I know. I don't want to go. Hijacked perpetually by the ongoing feud between Notre Dame and Miami. the orange bowl. I don't need to go back. No one cares where the travel happens. We're moving on. We moved on. We end by saying what it is we found out today.

Oh. Jess, what did you find out today after this journey into the profane heart of this sport that you love? And also Kevin's dream. I found out that Daniel Ricardo was saying the C word, not c-k-s. because in my notes I had written down but he was saying a different C word

so. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It was a good thing to clarify. I learned, great nugget, I learned that Jessica's never met an Australian

because there's no way there's no way you didn't know that they overuse the C word. I was just giving him the benefit of the doubt I was like he was saying

penises there. Like it wasn't the super Aussie C word that we can't say on camera. What I found out today is that Jess Matana's grandma is more than qualified to be the through line through this episode as either an F1 driver or a caller into Paul Finebaum's radio show. Jessica, holy shit. I got the most gorgeous roses. I don't think I ever got that many roses in my whole life. Certainly not from your lovely grandfather, God. May a soul rest in peace. Thank you. Oh, my God. They are very much. beautiful. I'm flabbergasted. I mean, holy shit. I don't know what it's for, but I love you for. Thank you. You've made my day. I mean, they are gorgeous. I mean, holy crap. Well, I will talk to you later.

You're probably working, whatever. And I hope you got your oranges. I never, I didn't hear whether you got the Damn oranges or not. So when you get a chance, you can give me a call back. I'm sitting here looking at those roses, and I cannot believe what the hell you did. Holy shit. They're gorgeous. And I'm going to sit and look at them all damn day today. Never had so many roses in my whole life.

85 years. Holy shit. Okay, dear. Thank you. Love you. Talk to you later. Bye. Beautiful.

Beautiful voice. Speaking of the Orange Bowl, I did get the oranges, so just to close the loop on that. Wow. There it is. Where does your grandmother live? Illinois? Chicago, if you can't tell. Chicago?

Chicago, suburb? Skokie? Chicago. The city, yeah. Oh, wow. Where in the city? Do you want me to docks my grandma? Pablo Torre finds out is produced by Walter Avaroma, Ryan Cortez, Sam Daywig, Juan Galindo,

Patrick Kim, Neely Lohman, Rob McCray, Rachel Miller Howard, Carl Scott, Matt Sullivan, Claire Taylor, Chris Tumenello and Juliet Warren. Our studio engineering by RG Systems, our sound designed by NGW Post. Our theme song, as always, is by John Bravo, and we will talk to you next time.