Pablo Torre Finds Out - Share & Tell & Moan, with Elle Duncan and Katie Nolan

Episode Date: May 24, 2024

Who was disrupting Luka Doncic’s postgame playoff presser with sex noises? (We present our findings to Elle Duncan and Katie Nolan.) What’s it like encountering Kim Kardashian in the wild? (Elle reports.) And have you heard that thing about Ginuwine and Justin Timberlake from Britney Spears’ audiobook? (Katie has.) Also: an array of sounds that will be used against Pablo and Cortes for eternity. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Welcome to Pablo Torre finds out. I am Pablo Torre. And today we're going to find out what this sound is. Right after this ad. You're listening to Draft King's Network. What are hip dips? Is that when it goes out and then straight? Yeah, it's when you come down. Yeah. You go out. You go back in. You go back out at the thigh. So I do have a hip dip, which is fine. Like, I've learned to embrace it and love my hip dips. Yeah. But they're not that cute on, um, so I do a lot of like, like, I'll twist, control. They like push your hip up thing. Exactly. You do like a little bit of that.

If you don't have a butt, that also works. If you don't have like a good butt, that's a good twist. Oh, is it? Like you do. I got a lot of ass. I know. I'm saying for those of us who are like, I don't have to worry about hip dips because it never really goes out again.

You can do the little pop. I'm just nodding like a scientist. Yeah. Pablo's got a fanny. Pablo's kicked up and we all know it. You got a booty, Pablo? I don't know. He has abs.

He's got lower booty. Guys, this isn't about me. I like yours. Yours is nice. Thank you. I like your body. You know what? This whole thing?

You've got a body that literally you can quit. Just kidding. I quit all the time. You got a body that you can wear literally anything. I don't know what you're talking about. You do. No, you do. Listen, again, I'm 41 years old.

I've learned to embrace my body, but there are some things I have to run from. There are some silhouettes that it's like, that ain't me. What are you running from, Elle? Any thing, drop-waste shit. A drop-washed shit's ugly. Sorry, I'm so sorry. Yes, but you could wear that if you wanted to. Where are you apologizing to?

Anybody who wore a drop, genuinely a drop-wasted wedding dress. Our drop-wasted audience. Any woman who wore a drop-wasted wedding dress, I felt immediately like she would go, but that was my favorite dress. It looks good on some people. I hate it. Have you seen the new one that has the waist that goes at least? Correct.

What is a drop-wasted anything? It's a waste that's lower than it should be. Yeah. See how an empire waste is like a higher waist on the dress? Obviously I knew that. And then this is your natural way, like a line. A drop waist is like around your hips. Correct.

And then the skirt happens. Yeah. You have to be built. Longer torso. You want a longer torso. Right. Or you have to be fit. Whoever wants to elongate their torso? I don't know.

So I was historically very large chested growing up. I was a triple D by the time I was in the seventh grade. Damn. And so my graduation present to myself was a breast reduction. And I'll never forget going to Charlotte Roos for the first time after I had my new little B-titties and just being so excited to wear all of those little tiny Charlotte Roos tops without a bra. because that's all I wanted, like in my whole life, is to just be free. And meanwhile, the opposite end of the spectrum, we're like dying to wear a bra.

Like, get up, get bigger. Boose! Come on. And you're like, I just want to be free. I want to be flat-chested and I want to wear these handkerchief shirts. Oh, yeah, those handkerchief shirts, you really could not have boobs with those. No, you had to be flat-chested. Because it looked wild.

Yeah, you had to be flat-chested. So we did have perks. They weren't perky, but we did have perks. I'm telling you, man, that body, you can wear it all. And speaking of curvy and wanting to wear like bigger clothes, they do, believe it or not, Abercrombie does like a curvy baggy gene for like a curvy girl that you should. Yeah? Yeah.

Apparently there's rave reviews. Not for me because I wish I was curvy. I would kill to be curvy. But people who are curvy are like that these jeans are awesome. Abercrombie did a full rebrand. Yeah, these are Abercrombie. They're super cute. They're like made out a real gene.

Nothing else is made out of denim anymore. It's always this like cheap, garbage. Yeah. Yeah, super stretchy. Abercrombie will always be the place that my friend in high school always wanted to go to because she said they were the easiest place to steal from. True. That in Skin Market, but Skin Market didn't last very long.

What made Abercrombie easy to steal from? She could get the security tags off the easiest, I think. And so we would go. And the dumbest employees because they didn't know, they were just there to be hot, gorgeous. There was a bunch of gronks patrolling. Yes, exactly. And honestly, most of the jeans, at least back when I was in high school, already looked dirty. So if you could get the security tag off, you could walk out with them and you looked like you were wearing dirty, washed, overworn jeans.

They didn't look new anyway. So she would go into the dressing room and, you know, come out, everything we'd be fine. We'd get to the car and she would just start disrobing and just pulling abercrumbie jeans out of all her orifices. I'm like, when did you do? Yes, I'm like, when did you do this? And, yeah, it was a hot spot for stealing. Sick. Don't steal kids.

It's bad. And don't do it. Unless you have to. If it's anything that I found out today, it's don't steal from Abercrombie and Fitch in 2000 and... 20. Oh, oh. She thought you're asking what year it is. Wow.

I was like, Pablo, are you good? Pablo, it's 2020. I also feel like gronk today. 99. Little neurologically out of it. 99. What a year. What a year.

I think I was frequenting Delias in 99. Delias. Sorry, Pablo, did you want to do a podcast? Should we do that? I guess so. I've been doing an investigation, guys, that I want to... Somebody had to. I got so many tweets about this.

Like, my niche now is, okay, the Dallas Mavericks win game two of the Western Conference... I know where you're going. Semi-finals. They beat the Clippers. They're now obviously playing in the conference finals against the T. Wolves. But at the post-game presser,

Luca Donchich, sits down, and he takes questions, and this happens. We were open shot, so just started sharing the ball and our energy was great. What do you think? Okay. Moving on. So if you could not discern from the audio, maybe if you're just listening on the podcast, how would you guys describe what happened there?

There was sex noises happening. Yeah, porn. Yeah. Yeah. Somebody was playing porn or nearby having. Pretty mind-blowing sex. Yeah. Because if you were doing it in public, that would be, and to make that much noise, it would have

to be quite an experience. I was going to say, like, whatever. No. No, no, no. Nobody's ever done that and meant it. I'm sorry. Nobody ever has sex, even good sex. And it's like, ah, yeah, yeah.

Like, no, no. It's not a constant stream. No. It's a constant stream of moaning. Yes. Unless you're trying to fill a silence or something. Right. Which in that situation, you wouldn't, yeah, that's definitely, it's porn.

It's porn. It's probably porn. So the theory... Pornography. A pornographic film. The clubhouse leader, of course, was this was a media member. Of course, like the Zoom Air, we've all seen, you know... Yeah, what's his face is penis?

Yep, that guy, exactly. That guy's penis. Jeffrey Toobin. It's a very funny name. Very on the nose, like a children's story. Character, babe. Or an adult story. Yes.

So it was a media member, was the reigning theory. And there are some suspects in that. I mean, literally... Amina al-Hasson once had porn on his computer when he was being interviewed, I think, by Kevin O'Connor, like at a court side post-game thing. Yeah. I mean, had to close his laptop.

In my defense, we were doing research for a movie that involved a certain adult film actress, and so I was... No, it's on the computer! Whoa! What are you doing? You left your computer earlier! What are you doing what I mean?

Oh, my God. That... Hold on. Hold on. That was seven hours. That was seven hours ago. I swear to God, it was research. I swear to God.

Zach, you know what we- K-O-C just catch you watching porn. Amin, I don't know what you're talking about. So sorry Amin, but I can tell you that it was not immunolacin. Okay. This is where my investigation starts. A mean, what does you? He says, no.

So I begin to reach out to four different sources. So I'm trying to get to the, I'm taking this seriously. Okay, this is what I do on the show. I find out in ways that are taking serious things stupidly and stupid things seriously. Yes. In this case, it's kind of, kind of felt like both. A league source told us that it was not a media member. So they know who it is. Well, what they said in so many words is that the call, the moan, was coming from inside the house. Meaning? Meaning, this was not a media member, but a Mavericks player, a teammate of Lukadansh, to mess with him.

Oh, I don't know. By playing it off their phone. And so I guess in Europe, this is a thing, a common prank is like, this is apparently a thing where, like, you change someone's ringtone to sex sounds and you call them mid-press conference and they're like, was this something like that? And... They have pass codes. Yeah.

It's a very tight locker room, apparently. Another source indicated this was multiple players, not just one. I guess which is kind of like in, you know, like a... I felt like that. that was them deflecting. Like, it was all of us, like an I Am Spartacus situation. They're all standing up.

This was me. And so I look at the Mavericks roster. I'm like, okay, who on this list of players would be doing this? And I personally was rooting for a guy whose name is Alex Fudge. But no one corroborated that. That was just the hope I had.

But then talking to sources who know the team based on personality profiles and so forth, their guest, their educated guess, was that this was either and this is where I get a bit irresponsible because now I'm just like putting guys on blast hypothetically. But again, you have not really confirmed.

All caveats apply here. Nobody's going to care. They'll clip it without that part. I am not saying that it's definitely PJ Washington or Derek Jones Jr. Okay. But they are suspects in this case. But the big twist, the new theory into this.

The reverse cowgirl, if you will. The twist is that this was not a phone, This was not a video. This was the player, parentheses S, making the sounds themselves. No, zero chance, zero chance. You guys? Play it again.

No. Play it again. Play it again. No, man. We were open shots, so just our sharing the ball and our energy was great. What do you think? Okay.

Okay, moving on. I mean, every time I hear it, every time I hear it my soul, I relate to the poor guy who was talking and tries to moving, okay, well, uh, it's like it makes him seem like it was his, like his fault. Let's jack that volume up and let's play it again. We were open shots, so just started sharing the ball and our energy was great. What do you think? Uh, okay. Okay. Um, okay, moving on. His face is so funny. So I know the guy that.

that said the okay moving on. That's Tim McMahon. Oh, yeah. That's Tim McMahon. Yeah, that's Tim McMahon, the ESPN reporter. And so after that happened, he joined a sportsender. And, you know, you like check mics ahead of time and stuff before you go on air. And I was like, I was like, can I tell you my working theory on what happened?

He was like, yeah, tell me. I was like, I think that someone that works at the Mavs who's, you know, sometimes your Bluetooth, if you've used it before, automatically connects to speakers. I think he's in the back, right? I think he's in the back. I think he's watching a little porn because he doesn't care about this press conference, like whatever.

And it accidentally goes over the Bluetooth speakers. He realizes, oh my God, he fumbles with it. He presses off. Tim McMahon, now this was a week ago, Paolo. Tim McMahon said exactly what you just said. He said he thinks and was hearing that it was a prank that was played, that they were very intentionally did it to throw Luca off

and that someone like tapped into the Bluetooth speaker. Oh, but he thinks, He's on the speaker, the Bluetooth theory. He's still on the speaker theory, that it was, someone tapped into the speaker, they played the porn to make it uncomfortable, and then they promptly turned it off. I still stand on the fact that some poor unsuspecting, like, towelboy was like in the, like, Calms kid, was like in the back thinking he's watching a little innocent porn. I see, I think it's that, but that they had a tab open that they forgot about,

and when they opened up their lap, like, it just went, and they were like, yeah, yeah, I tried to get it. Because watching porn at work is weird. Yeah. And don't do it. Why? So much time in the day. Yeah, sure.

I also feel like if you're going to pull a prank, not that I'm like a porn audio connoisseur, but I just feel like there's funnier, like clips of a porn you could play. This is why I... Her saying words. Sure. This is why I return to...

To it being a player? Yes, because this is some... I was talking to Adir behind the glass over there. Not to put the deer on blast. Shout out to Nadir. But I was playing this clip for him before the show, and he was like, oh, I used to do that in...

Not him. Not I. Sorry, Nadir. But kids in our middle school used to do that. Yeah. Like make moaning sex noises because that is what boys do. That's a female voice. I'm sorry.

I could see it not being one, but here's what I think is the next step of your investigation. You've got to get all the Mavs to moan. Oh. Like a police line up. Yeah. And they all, you have to be like say, uh, uh, uh, and then they have to do it and see who can hit that specific octave. Yeah. See, it's giving.

It's giving woman to me. Like, I feel like I pride myself on being able to do voices and impersonations and to imitate people. Let's give us your best one just real quick as a, to vouch for your. Journalistically. Just give us your best. I mean, I don't, yeah. You pride yourself on it, so just give us your best.

I know. I also pride myself on not being put on the spot, Katie. Okay. So that's fair. We can cut that out. Yeah, no, I mean, it's more like you. Maybe Katie can go first. It's more like, you like, give me a person and then like let me go.

I just, I'm definitely not feeling that. that was a man imitating a woman. That was a woman moaning. In fact, Pablo, you're a man. Oh, God. Allegedly. I was dreading this challenge. Yeah, you try to hit that on the spot. Try to hit that off. Try to hit that off. I've been trying to speak. Back away from the mic. I've been trying to speak deeper into my diaphragm. Sure, but that's, but for now. So to speak. Go up into your. Yeah. They're all men that have, these guys are six foot 10. They've got these deep voices. Go for it. Try to be hurt. All right. So, okay. I'm going to actually not make eye contact. Me either. It's creepy. I'm going to look away.

face the other way. Yeah, you got it. I just want you to know that Metal Arc HR does not exist so you cannot get me in trouble for this. I'm gonna look at Katie, which is kind of weirder. Don't peek.

Oh, God, damn. I can't even look at myself. I can't look at myself. I can't look at the glass because everyone's looking at me. Stop waving at me. Just look down. Here we go.

Louder. See? It's loud. It's more of a scream. You can't hurt. It's not false out. It's not false side out. It has to have some...

Yeah. Oh, God. I hate it. It sounds like he's endangered. He sounds like... A little more or no, that was good. No, you sound like an animal that was maimed. I don't think it's going to get better.

No. No. Okay. You sound like a dying dolphin. Like a dolphin. See? That's not it. I mean, line all the men up.

Y'all can't hit that octave. I know that octave. Get Cortez. Get Cortez in here, Cortez. Come moan into this microphone. Hold my mic and moan on it. Cortez. You can't do it.

Cortez says, quote, absolutely not. Come on, Corp. Cortez. Cortez, come in here. Do it. Do it. Do it. Do it.

Do it. Damn, peer pressure doesn't work when we're 40s. That sucks. Wow. But you get my point, Pablo. You tried, but it sounded like a man imitating a woman.

It's a skilled, skill orator. Yes. Arms crossed. Can we point every microphone at Cortez? Everybody turn around. Okay. It was better than Pablo.

Damn. It was better than Pablo's. Okay, wait a second. I somehow feel worse and better about myself. Yeah, that was not, that was more convincing. His was better than yours. More convincing. But you guys are making my argument.

That's not a man pretending to be a woman. That's not. That was a woman. So unless they got a female staffer, that was actual porn that they were playing. Or Cortez. Or Cortez. Or Cortez was there.

Could be that too. I don't know. I guess I could see it. I could see it, but I'm on, I'm unscored. Ironically, I'm unsatisfied with this conclusion. I feel like I want it to be more like, yeah, it was a person and it was this person.

Yeah, I was looking for clues on like the Twitter accounts of like PJ Washington were they like sending us signals and stuff. Yeah, nothing. So no eggplant emojis or anything, that's what you were looking for? During my deep dive, an investigation, I was trolling for some eggplant emojis or a peach.

She had to watch a couple videos to see if he could find that specific clip If anyone's wondering what's what the charges to his credit card? He was looking for the clip. And he had his eyes closed. He was just listening. Just trying to see. Just trying to listen.

Yeah. You know what? Next time when you're investigating, see if you can find the exact porn clip. Yeah. You know, just like watch tons of, right? That's what I'm saying. Watch tons of it. And then just close your eyes and then be like, that's the moan.

This is the clip. I found it. Triggering for some of us to hear Bluetooth porn. Yeah, we'd really just. Do you know this? No. Oh. What happened?

Dan is a joke in his special, but it's very much based on truth of a time during the pandemic that I was showering, getting ready for highly questionable, actually, an HQ from home. And in the shower, I was listening to music and a Bluetooth speaker that he bought me. But because he had linked up with that Bluetooth speaker before, his phone accidentally linked up with it while he was watching an adult video. So I am in the shower. When he was doing journalism. And all of a sudden my music became like moaning and a lot of like this. And I remember just being like, what the hell? And then I like picked it up and I kind of was realizing what was happening.

And I started like hitting the volume down button on it to get it to be quiet. But because he was watching it and there was no volume and he was confused, he kept hitting the volume up button. And so it just kept getting louder and speaker. And I felt like I was being bullied. So then I just had to like turn the whole thing off. And then I had to like finish my shower. and then as I'm about to open the door I'm like I just I don't want to deal with this right now

I have to go be on TV I'm like something I figured something had happened like that like that and so I'm like I'm gonna come out the door and he's gonna just be standing there and I don't want to have this conversation and I don't want to like make eye contact and talk about it like I just want him to leave me alone and so I opened the door and he comes around and he goes hey just to like see if I realize because maybe there was a world in which I didn't

realize what had happened yeah that world that was not one we lived in and he said hey and I just like looked at him and he goes, I, um, I opened an email. Love Dan. Those dreaded porn emails. And I was like, can we do this later? And he was like, yeah. Thanks.

Cool thanks. Cool thanks. I opened an email. I opened an email. Somebody sent me a link. It was weird. It was so weird. I was watching Al Duncan pose with Kim Kardashian.

Weren't we all? And I don't know how we've waited this long to talk about it. Yeah. So apologies for making you talk about this, but what happened? Yeah. So we're at Disney up-fronts. For the people that don't know what that is, it's basically just like this big presentation, you guys know, but it's this big presentation where, you know, Disney's like,

look at all the cool things we have, spend all your money with us, buy all our ads up, like, whatever. And we had done rehearsal, me, Chenaya Guil McKay and Andrea Carter, because we were going to bring Don Staley up. The big three. Sorry, just as everybody, the big three. So we knew in rehearsal that we were going to be coming offstage, like right before Kim Kardashian was going on stage.

So Andrea, when it was happening in real time, was like, hey, like, let's get a picture with Kim Kardashian. Like, I want to get a picture with Kim Kay. I was like, all right. So we sort of stocked the backstage when we got off stage. And she couldn't have been nicer. She comes down. She had not yet. Because Kim Kardashian, as you can imagine, travels with about 50 people.

I was going to say, was she flanked by a ton of, I've never, I don't think I could ever. picture her walking alone to go do something. Yeah, were you wanted before you could encounter her. No, that's why it was shocking because she normally has so many people with her, but they were all waiting. Like, we got her right when she came off stage. So no one was there. And we're like, can we get a picture? She's like, of course. And I'm going to do my best Kim K. And so, you know, we take this picture and then, you know, at first we're like, oh no, like, did we do something wrong? And then she's like, let's do a kissy face one. We were like, oh, she's into this. Like now she wants to like do some different posts.

is like, this is cool. Also, the pressure is kind of on. At least it would be for me. Yeah. That's always the awkward thing, right, when you meet someone famous and you take the picture. It's like, how do we in this? Yeah. Now what.

Now what? How are we disembarking? Thanks. Thanks so much. Bye. So Drea. Nice. She loves high five.

Appreciate you. She seems like a high five type of girl. So Drea goes, I saw Norse video playing basketball. Right? I was like, there you go, Drey. Connection point. Right. We're basketball.

We're here for basketball. Veteran move. Good stuff. And, you know, Kim's like, oh, yeah, she loves basketball. And, like, she's really, like, working to be better at basketball. And the thing that was, like, hitting me in real time is – because when you go to up fronts, it really is just this, like, cacophony of, like, some sports people and movie stars and TV people.

And I think we pride ourselves on knowing all of them. There were so many people where I had to look at, like, Drey and Chenet and be like, he's on TV. He stars a miss. Like, they didn't know who they were. There's a lot of Googling. But when those groups mix, they are really separate ecosystems. And so when they mix, just watching the inability to recognize who people are was spectacular.

And so as Kim is talking about her daughter, like wanting to improve and get better at dribbling and stuff like that, Don Staley, who's standing there, of course, Hall of Famer, is like, I can help her with that. And Kim's like, you can. Oh, I was like, oh, no. I was like, she doesn't know. I was like, she doesn't realize that she is talking to, like, the first. Did somebody let her know? Great as coach. Probably not because it was just us standing there.

You can. What was, and what's Dawn's response to that? She's like, yeah. I'm sure she was just like, yeah, of course I can't. I mean, you're not going to be like, b-b-s. Do you know who I am? Do you know who I am? That's not Coach Staley at all.

So, but Kim could not have been nicer. She talked about her son and how he's just like really naturally, like, gifted it playing basketball and how her daughter doesn't really like for Kim and Kanye to come to her games because she doesn't love all the attention. I bet. focus. I can't imagine why that would be. Right? And she's like, we totally respect it. She's like, but my son is like, bring it. Bring the camera crews. Bring everybody. I'm about to show out. And so it was good. It was a really good conversation. And then I, another veteran savvy move,

I think, is that once you sort of have this like conversation with someone, like you've got to be the one. As the lesser famous person, you have to be the one to eject, right? Like, you want to quit before they quit you and make it awkward. So after she finished talking for a second, I just kind of jumped in and was like, well, Kim, thank you so much for chatting with us. And hopefully one day we're talking about your children on ESPN, trying to make another connection point. We're not just fans. We are in television, too.

We are people that are important if you were to care. I clearly knew sports, but you should. We were like, we love skims. I might have thrown out I'm wearing a skims braw. Great. Which I was. It was a little fan girlish. True.

So you didn't lie. Yeah. Skims is cool. But I think the most relatable thing and the thing that I really appreciated about Kim is within seconds of her leaving the stage, she was in a pair of flip-flops. Now, they were probably Juveni or something fancy,

but she had taken those heels off and she was in some straight-up flip-flops. And I was like, yes, sister, thank you. See, I would think that she, of all people, would be one of those, you know, people are always like, when you wear heels enough, your feet almost mold to them and get used to them. And so you almost, they're comfortable,

they're more comfortable than being flat. I would think that she would just live in a heel. Sure. Like her foot has naturally barbied itself. Right. Yes. Yes. I picture her exactly with a Barbie foot.

When she takes a shoe off, it's like we stay. It's still there. Yeah, no, she was in flip-flops. Well, good for her. Hair and makeup were all around her by then, but really, really nice, really nice lady. She does, I think, sit atop the world rankings of people that I might encounter who don't feel like real humans to me. Like, there are some people...

I'd have to remind myself while interacting with her that, like, this is a person. Yes. Not an animal at a zoo. Yeah, I didn't think I could encounter you in the wild. Yeah, you've been, I've seen, I've seen you so much that I feel like I'm entitled to knowing you, even though I have no, I've never met you. So meeting somebody like that, you're always like, how do I interact with you? Because I know so much about you, but I know nothing about you. Right.

Right. It's like seeing Joe Biden. Like, what? You're here? Well, we don't get invited to the White House, Pablo, so that flex is really unnecessary. Do you see him? Did you see, do you hear this? It's like meeting Joe Biden.

It's like meeting a president. Me and Joe Biden making kissy face photos. Let me tell you, the angles that we popped. You were wearing his bra as well, and you let him know. You said this is a Biden. His drop waist was magisteria. I do also feel like if I'm Kim Kardashian, though, I mean, I've made a lot of different choices in my life.

But if I'm Kim Kardashian, being seen as nice is probably the easiest. Sure. Because you just have to smile. and make small talk. If we were to have this conversation 10 years ago, I would have made like five jokes about sex tapes. I would have done. I would have laughed in ways that I'm just like now I just look at her.

And I'm like, you are the apex predator of the food chain. Yeah. Like she is atop the ecosystem. Everybody is trying to be like her. And even if there are reasons to look at Kim Kardashian and her empire and be like, but this is empty and hollow and superficial. But also everybody is trying to be like, be you. The influencer economy

was premised on Kim Kardashian and Katie Nolan's making a face. Yeah, because I'm thinking I'm like, I don't, but I'm trying to critically look at what you're saying. I don't personally. You tried to be Kim Kardashian. You were the first person I thought of. You were desperately trying to be Kim Kardashian. I did leak my own sex time allegedly. Ooh, no one saw it.

Yeah. And also, no one's rushing to see it. Should I take down the paywall? Yeah. That's probably a good start. I don't think it'll help. You know what? Here's the thing. Here's a thing from someone who is, and I mean this, I don't wear it like as a badge of honor. I just don't care. I have never seen a single episode of keeping up with the Kardashians. Not in 20 years. Okay. So, but the ways in which we're all trying to do this, reality television. Yeah. Right. Owning your own your own content such that you are now

able to create franchises. Celebrities selling things, using a social media-driven audience is literally the game that I think all of us are implicitly playing, even if we don't want to be considered, like in the Kardashian coaching tree. The idea that they went from sort of, yes, reality stars with sex tapes, the joke was they have no discernible talent, they're just famous for being famous, whatever. And they've really turned that into lucrative businesses. Like, they've turned that into... It's the attention economy. Like, they personify that. Yeah. And so the idea, look, and so the criticism of like, they don't have any talent, it's like, okay, so why aren't you, them? Yeah. Person who's trying to hard.

attention to capitalistic ends. I resent the competition that they're trying to win. I think that's your, like, because I'm trying, I'm like, I don't agree with what you're saying. I don't value them as much as it sounds like you do, but it's because I resent that game, the game of like being, being looked at versus being seen. Like, I feel like any, you know, people who make their whole thing is just to be looked at everywhere they go, but once you look at them, they're not like, now that I have your attention, here's something important or here's something that matters to me. It's more just like,

no, keep looking, keep looking, don't look away. I'm over here now. Look over here. Look over here. Like, they can do that. And they are winning that. I hate that that's how it operates. I hate that it's just about getting us to look at you. But I do think they've done a good job, the Kardashians, of like, just being famous punching bag. of just like letting people make fun of them. That's a great point. Relentlessly. Like in a world where there's barely any monoculture left,

they're like one of the last, like, you say Kardashian and no one goes, who? They know who that is, which means that we all have a shared experience, which means they can be, they're one of the few things that we can all make fun of. They're like a cultural reference point. And they just kind of let us do that. So the Tom Brady roast, Kim Kardashian goes up there in his booed. A lot of people make fun of your hype.

And she seems unbothered in terms of just like... So in the moment, it's like, that must suck. But the idea of being unbothered to the point of, do you think she's going to start showing up to places less? No. Like she actually, I think after that, showed up to like three more places the next day. She's been flying.

Yeah, and then did the Disney Upfronts. Yeah, the Disney Up Friends. Then did the Mac Gala. Yeah. Right. And so just the idea of that sort of elephant skin of... And I think this is where I relate completely to what Katie is saying is, the invitation of, like, look at me and whatever your gaze is doing, I will find a way to use that to my benefit, even if it feels to you like it's empty and vacuous or whatever. And what I marvel at is most people just melt.

Yeah. And if I got booed, I would melt. And the skill that you need in this modern, strange dystopian, I say dystopian so much on this show, I apologize. But it's the only word I can use as a shortcut to just like in a world where everything feels like there is a fundamental sadness inside at the core of it. The way to handle that sadness is to just not care as much. It's to ignore it. Or ignore it and to not feel it in that way. And I'm like, yeah, look, it's that thing about playing sports in New York.

I'm like, why do I marvel at athletes who can really thrive in New York City? It's because the spotlight melts you. And Kim Kardashian is like, hey, would you mind point you? every conceivable spotlight at me. Yeah. And I'm going to actually be more powerful because of it. That's what I'm really impressed by is that she is sort of like perfectly suited

for this strange world in which that video of her sister cutting a cucumber. Have you seen that? Kendall Jenner cutting a cucumber? Oh my God. What? Kendall? This hand, like, yeah, I don't know what's happening.

The rusty trombone approach. Nothing to say. Holding a cucumber. I mean, that's on you, Mom. You never taught her how to try a cucumber. I mean, hello. Left hand holding the butt end of the cucumber. The logic of it.

And the right hand with the knife, yeah. How did your brain not even go? Well, I should keep my hand as far away as possible. From the knife. And I want to hold it in place, so I should probably... Well, that was probably her first time using a butcher's knife. And I want to figure out, like, am I impressed fundamentally because there is a skill to how they play the game?

Or because, as I was alluding to before, It's actually just they're so big that whatever they do, it works. I think they're playing the game with a skill that others would not play it with. I think how they, the moves they're making now, I'm just like, it's working. Like what? So the fact that 20 years in, Kim Kardashian is like the most, one of the three most famous people in America. I'd say on the planet. On the planet.

I think that's, if that's the game, like, could you give anybody the position on third base, let's say, and the various legs up that she has had, and would they have done the same thing? Legs up, not pun intended. It's hard for me to separate. Well, if you were watching the video,

there was a lot of actually, like, knees down. I was going to say, I don't think their legs were up that much. I think we should do one more topic. I feel like my topic isn't as cool. We've had such fun with these topics. So here we have a dealer's choice. What do you mean? Ooh.

Oh, you want to do the in sync thing? Whichever one of you guys want to do. I don't have that much to say. Just that like, I don't want it. Yeah, I don't either. I don't have much to say either. So let's do yours. But I also do think, and this is just for us, that like, when Justin initially announced

that tour, everybody thought it was an in sync thing because of the, like, they did, like, a big reunion. Yeah. And then the big announcement was a Justin Timberlake tour. And then that tour flopped. and everybody was saying the reason that flopped is because they wanted an in-sync tour. So now they're going to give us this in-sync something or other

and I think they're just misreading the room. I think it's like, yeah, no, we wanted that thing then. You gave us the wrong thing and now we're moving on. Yeah, we don't want it. I don't want it. Yeah. And I loved. Girl. Like I literally was like, like, fuck you backstreet boys.

Like they made me sick. Yes. TRL, I'm like, how the fuck are you number one? Oh, my God. It's bye-bye-bye for me. I was team in sync. But like now my children are being introduced to Justin Timberlake because he's the trolls dude He's branch from trolls, right?

And this last movie Trolls 3 was all about boy bands and that's really honestly what told me no one wants this like their songs They did an original song called Better Place and like it's canon for three-year-olds Like three-year-olds like it which means no thank you It's of a time. Boy bands are very of a time. And they perfectly, like I was thinking about this the other day that I am grateful that my childhood, my adolescence intersected with the boy band era the way that it did. Because like what a cool time to be like a 12 year old girl who's like, oh my God, a collection of, I mean, only like a couple of them were ever hot. It's very funny that we always acted like they were like five hot boys.

They were not. I don't know, Chris Kirkpatrick. I was going to say. I don't know. I just don't know. But I guess by that logic of like you put a couple hoties in. Joy for tones fist pumping. Yeah.

He wasn't the one I mentioned, but he's among. And so I just feel like it was great when it was, even though it's the greatest it's ever been, something's missing, things suck. And we're all looking in the past to bring back that feeling. Correct. Not realizing that that feeling was not as attached to the thing as we think it was. And that, like, if you want that feeling, go back and listen to their old music. Yes. Like, I recently redownloaded old in sync albums and, like,

I still do shower with music against my better judgment. I listened to like a full album, no strings attached, while I took a shower. And I was like, this is so fun. I haven't heard these songs in so long. Wait, how long are your showers? Well, I didn't do the whole thing probably, but they're pretty, this was in everything showers. This was pretty long. Oh, yeah, gotcha.

This was one of those Sunday ones. And so I, um, and like that brought me back to like, oh my God, I remember being on, like, my boombox, putting my CD in and, like, trying little dances in my room. And then my brother would come in and be like, leave you alone. and then I'd go back to my dance. Like, it brought me back. I don't want that. I don't want them to try to recreate that.

No. It's not going to hit the same. No. It's just going to make me feel old. Correct. It's, yes, it makes them look old. Yes. Like, they can't dance like that anymore.

They can't dance like that anymore. And like they still do, like, it was never more obvious to me than like, and new edition was a little bit before my time. But like, obviously I knew new edition. And I went and saw them perform at Essence Festival a couple of, of years ago. And it just was like so freaking cringy to watch these 60-year-old men in matching bedazzled suits, still trying to hit moves. Like it was just, I felt sad. I felt sad. I didn't feel nostalgic. I didn't feel sentimental. It was like, oh God, y'all are still out here, with your

old-ass age, out here still trying to like have girls dancing on you. I saw Ronald Isley recently. You guys, he's 90 years old. And he's performing and he's like, he's like grinding his hips and there's these young girls dancing around them and I just, I was like sad. They should have to be 90 as well. Right. The girls dancing on you should also have to be 90. Job creation. If you're gonna keep working, let them keep working. Thank you. Why do you get to have little girls dancing on you? Correct. Maybe, I don't know, I don't want to accuse them of something. Maybe they were like of age. Yeah. Not his age. No, they were like 30, but like, you know, that's gross when you're 90. That's a big gap. Yeah. And it just, yeah, like, it just is not, it's not the thing. It's not the vibe.

I'm with you. Like, it's been cool for my daughter to be introduced to Justin Timberlake now through trolls. And I have. I've played for her, like, I want you back. And I hit some of the dance moves in the kitchen and, like, stuff like that. But the idea that we need a new album, like, no, we don't. Stop it. Live forever on the shit you've already done.

But, like, I'm not out here actively seeking new music all the time. I'm certainly not seeking it from people who already made the music that I liked and have not spoken to each other or hung out. It's not like Justin Timberlake spent a lot of time with them. I was going to ask about that. How much of this is about, oh, here's a group of guys who relate to each other and hang out, and I like to see them, like, be friends. I never really bought that they were that close to friends. I don't know if I was supposed to.

I don't know if that's a part of the lore I missed out on, but I never was like, those five guys love each other, especially when Justin took off and literally took off. And Lance Bass also took off for space. Yeah. I always felt like J.C. Chazzeh, resented Justin to, I was a J.C. Were you? I was always a J.T. guy.

So J.C. Shazet, the legend of him was that he could sing better than Justin. Is that part of the lore? Supposedly. He claimed it. He was just, you know, he was the brunette. He was the, like, the, I think he might have been shorter. And he was, he could dance. He could sing.

He was, um, he was less appreciated and therefore felt like you could say he was underrated, even if he was properly rated. Wow. There is a whole Reddit thread of J.C. Shazet should have been more famous successful. That's right. Did he have a solo career? And what was the song? No.

I definitely heard the song and I liked it. So he did that song. I mean, it was technically in sync, but it was really only JC that was singing on it. With your black? Yes. Of course I do. My thug appeal. And they did call.

Yeah. He said he had thug appeal, which threw me off. Well, Justin has also done quite a bit of, have you heard the Britney Spears memoir when she tells the story about when they ran into Genuine on the street and that he code switched? And they, here's the thing. It's read by, you can probably find this clip. It's read by Michelle. Williams, who

as the Dawson's Creek girl, is the narrator of her audiobook. And in this, she's reading Britney Spears recounting Justin Timberlake code switching talking to Genuine. It's like the most amazing, like late 90s, early 2000s Madlib. And I think she said that he was like,

Walking Our Way was a guy with a huge blinged out medallion. He was flanked by two giant security guards. Jay got all excited and said so loud, oh yeah, foes, foes, four shes, genuine. What's up, homie? I have found my new ringtone.

Incredible. Oh, my God. Incredible. That's so great. Foscious, foscious. Genuine. He has since denied it, I think. He said that never happened.

He used to have that presumption of diplomatic immunity, right? That was the thing about, oh, he can dance. He's cool. He's like. And he's funny. So, yeah, that was me defending. That was me getting defensive of J.C. Yes, he did say thug appeal.

He did have a soundtrack, a sound, a sound. A sound. on the soundtrack for drumline, J.C. Shazet. And what was it called? Blowing me up, parentheses, with her love. Oh, I absolutely know this song. Here you go. Uh-uh-oh.

Flowing me up with her love. Okay. Yeah, remember. A jam. Wow. There are a lot of trucker hats that he's donning now. God, remember the Von Dutch era?

Yes. Ed Hardy, bedazzled jeans. Yikes. If I were them and they called me back in now that Justin Timberlake's flopping and they're all right

and sync album, I'd be like, no. I'm busy. But are you? No. Joey Fetone. No.

I believe. But I am. I like the idea of J.C. Chazet, like straightening his back and being like, I'm going to let this phone ring a couple times. And then answer it. And then absolutely answer it.

Because that's the dynamic, when I talk about the dynamic between those guys, those five guys, as if they're like a sports team, I'm like, the reunion, it's like, okay, there's ego management, yes.

And also, they all, let's be honest, they all need it. And so the question of like Does Justin Timberlake need it Is secondary to the idea of how badly does Chris Kirkpatrick He needs this so bad What does he look like now?

He doesn't still have that stupid hair, does he? What is he aged into being like the hottest? Yes, what if he's a lot? Yeah, that would be. He got invisible. Let's find out. I don't want to be mean to him. Ooh, can confirm.

No. I don't want to be mean to him. All right. So but we're just saying probably not. He's just a guy. He's just a guy. Living the dream. Who was the ugliest one? Hoping to live the dream?

In factstry point. The ugliest one in Backstreet Boys was... Like you're off-mic for this. Because I feel bad. Ooh, yeah. I mean, I personally was not a big fan of his sharpy eyebrows, so I would say A.J. McLean. Yeah. Wasn't a big fan of...

He was considered a hop-boy, though. Yeah, I know, which was weird because he was almost like their Chris Kirkpatrick. He was. Howie, maybe. Howie was so forgettable. Yeah, he was pretty forgettable. I was always a big Brian LaTrell fan. I wasn't really into Nick.

That's like a... Brian LaTrell is like a fake Justin Timberlake. Yeah. And she has a... I loved it. I loved Justin Dimmerly. Yes. Justin Timber fake, yes, as he's been called. He's not bad looking for a figure. Yeah, I mean, he was always just kind of like a creative character that you hadn't done anything to yet.

He always just kind of looked like the template, you know? It's like, and then you make the man on top of it, but they forgot to keep going. What did we find out today, guys? Oh, so much. We found out that there's too many, we had too many topics. I don't know how you're going to edit those down. So I don't want to say that I found anything out that we might not leave in. I found out Pablo moans weird Wow

Yeah I found out Pablo's sex noises Hold on that's not my actual What I found out is that I'm being slandered As somebody who makes those noises Organically I didn't learn shit I'm just kidding It's fair

I'm just kidding I learned that Katie and Dan have a very relatable relationship Thank you thanks so much I love that about you I'll never look at those Bluetooth shower heads again They're dangerous. We need to talk about the threat they pose to relationships.

I'm never going to look at emails the same again. We have two different Bluetooth speakers now. So he links to his and I like to mine and we do not cross. See, that's growth. Yeah. That's just growth and evolution. It's just looking out for myself. Future me.

Yeah, it is. And I also, same. I learned that Pablo cannot imitate a female pretending to be having great sex. I think mine was more accurate. You sound weird when you have sex. I don't know how to refute this accusation. Yeah, unfortunately. Or fortunately, we'll never really know.

Yeah. I think you should still make them all moan, though. Yeah. I've got to go make them all moan. Okay, what I really found out is that I challenged PJ Washington. Yes. To moan on tape for us. That sounds bad.

Go with me here. Yeah. I need him to do his best, you know, his best sex noise. In a world where there are BJs and HJs, technically PJ could be a term for sex. Yeah. Ooh, what would it be? Like, what would a...

It's a bit up. She didn't do it too quick. Why is it so... It's got... It's very squeaky. It needs more like... Now you want to do more, huh? Down here?

But like, uh, like push from your stomach. But high pitch. Okay, that's awful. That makes me so uncomfortable. We should probably just... It was the way it was like a question. Yeah, he did. He was like, do I...

Is this good? I could hear it. hear your lip quivering. Am I liking it? Yeah. Should we cut this? Yeah. He's shaking out. He's shaking. He's shaking. Ew, I don't know. It's not good, though. I'm like, it's giving me a lot of feelings, but not good ones. Oh, my God. He just keeps shaking while he doesn't. Oh, God. Thank God he didn't say, are you finished? It would be a lot worse. A lot worse. Are we done? It's fine. Oh, my God. This is my favorite show. I regret. I regret doing that.

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