Pablo Torre Finds Out - Share & Tell with Katie Nolan and Kevin Clark

Episode Date: September 28, 2023

What does it feel like to watch football at an NFL head coach's house? Should you really be posting photos of your kid? And... all praise to the scammers? Also: ghost takes, flying slices of cheese, swampa$$ as a resting state, and what happens to the food on reality shows.PTFO-approved reading:If I Embarrass My Baby on TikTok, Will He Stay My Baby Forever? (Amanda Hess)https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/25/arts/babies-cheese-eggs-tiktok.htmlGen Z Falls for Online Scams More Than Their Boomer Grandparents Do (A.W. Ohlheiser)https://www.vox.com/technology/23882304/gen-z-vs-boomers-scams-hacks Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Welcome to Pablo Torre finds out. I am Pablo Torre, and today we're going to find out what this sound is. You're the dumbest person I'm at the ad. It's not good, Kevin. It's not good right after this ad. You're listening to Draft King's Network. Oh, my legs aren't shaved enough to do that with it. Sorry.

Disagree. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it instead. Rough, they're rough. I get a five o'clock shadow. Your ankle has never looked more progressive. That is the most feminist angle I've ever seen. You should see my armpits.

Are we rolling still? I hope so. That would be great. I don't mind. Katie Nolan, Kevin Clark. I need to say this because I've been shamed before about not saying it. Today is my birthday. Happy birthday, Pablo.

We just had cupcakes. We did. I did. I've been a guy who... I don't know. I don't know. Katie did share. You were offered them.

I did get half of your breakfast sandwich. Happy birthday for me, would you get him? I got him a cake pop and half of my breakfast sandwich. I was here when we sung happy birthday to him. I was outside the door. I couldn't get in. Because though I've been on this podcast three times now, I don't have a badge. Katie Nolan does deserve a badge.

Because I don't work here. No, you should deserve a badge and a gun. That's right. Happy birthday to me. Happy birthday to you. How old are you? I'm 38. Okay, so it doesn't really matter.

No. Yeah, it's not. We got two years to plan you the big one. Right. It doesn't feel like anything's really changing. The growth is honestly that I am saying it out loud because historically I'm a person who's like trying, I don't, I'm not trying to test people. It felt like a test when you had asked me to do this on Thursday and then you said,

oh, just kidding, can we actually do it on Wednesday? And I almost said like, your birthday? And then I was like, no, don't say it. And then you can just surprise him by knowing it and make him feel loved. And then I woke up to a text from Lebitard anyway that it was your birthday. even if I hadn't known. Dan texted you? Oh, Dan does this.

No, he tweeted. No, that's what I meant. He tweeted that video and that I'm tagged in. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know why I have to be embarrassed on your birthday, but. I didn't like that video. It wasn't a good look for you. You don't come off looking. We're not going to not play that video.

What if we played it? Let's take a look. I believe we have the clip. I believe we have a clip. Let's take a look. Here it is. Stop throwing to stuff on my show. Let's pull that up.

I really don't like it when people throw to, no, no. Don't play. Okay, good. He's gonna, they're gonna, they're gonna do it in post. Obviously, they don't have it ready to go. That's my fault. I should have sent that to you guys. Let's start the show.

Kevin Clark, you're making your debut. I'm so happy to be here. Katie Nolan is like a veteran at this. I feel whatever about it. Share and Tell. She just mostly feels whatever. Sure. It's getting hard to find things to share and tell.

I haven't had this many things to tell in a long time. Well, I think we should start with Katie. Why? Yes, because Kevin Clark is, I mean... You have a new job. Mm-hmm. You work for ESPN and Omaha Productions. I do.

I host a show called This is Football. Already promoting it, I didn't ask you to promote it just yet. What's it on? Where do I find it? You can find it wherever you get your podcast or the ESPN NFL YouTube page and other ESPN social platforms. Okay. Kevin is a football expert. Mm-hmm.

And Katie Nolan just had one hell, one hell of a football weekend, I would say. 70 points. 70 points? For a team I don't like For a team that's it So you know this Do you have to start liking them? No

Okay So explain Explain for the people Who have not seen all three appearances Everybody's got to know And I'm sick of saying his name on podcast I have a fiance His name's Dan

He is he was middle school Best Friends with Mike McDaniel Now the head coach Of the Miami Dolphins So from like if you step back from that If you're sick of hearing the story The sweet thing about it is like These are two kids who were friends in middle school

And then now we're both doing The thing they would have always wanted to do at the top of it, and it's very, very, very cool. However, when Mike McDaniel was going to go somewhere to be a head coach, I said specifically as long as it's not in the AFC East. Yeah. He didn't. He didn't, which is fine.

But now I am going to tons of, I'm going to more Dolphins games than Pat's games, by a lot. And it's, it's fun. It's football, so it's fun. but it's also at the same time you're just like, man, this isn't my team. And my team's not really doing anything similar. I mean, they won this week. Well, in fact, your team through not just the first three games of the season,

but the first four games of the – well, actually, not just the first three games of the season, but when you combine it with the last preseason game, they have not yet scored as many points as the Dolphins scored against the Broncos. Oh, you did the math. That's a very nice of you to do that math. Thank you. Yeah. The game that I was watching while also watching the Patriots on Red Zone, because I'm like,

this is, they're gonna win, so this isn't really a close game. So the night before we were at the McDaniels Space House. I always say their house looks like a spaceship. It's so nice and modern and fancy. Please, please. I don't wanna talk too much about, I don't know them like that. Like Dan can do that and then they can be like, hey, don't, I don't want to reveal too much. But it's just rich people.

I'm envisioning like Apollo 11. Yeah. It's like everything's a built-in, you know? So, like, you don't ever see any of their stuff, and then they push the wall and it opens, and you're like, oh, it's a deep closet. I would never have suspected. Did they buy it from somebody, or do they design the space house? I think they may have, they're in the process of redesigning it, but weirdly, I thought they had designed it, but I guess not. They must have bought it.

That's a coach, always tinkering. Always tinkering. The next innovation. But it looks like a house that the most futuristic innovator in the NFL. It's all a black mirror house where, like, for some reason everybody is black mirror. Yeah, if you want to be really dark about it, yes. Well, no, they all have these glass house. houses that cost $11 million and it's always like, oh, I'm an insurance.

I'm an insurance adjuster. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's all my Instagram likes is just these houses, incidentally. So we were there that night, the night before watching, it wasn't the night before. It was Thursday. Okay. So it was like we were watching Thursday night football, you know, as you do on Saturday. We went over on Thursday when we got there.

Sure. And Katie, Bunny, Mike McDaniel's wife, came out and said what? I'm just acknowledging the first name basis. Yeah. It's Katie. It's Katie. Yeah, well, I don't know where Bonnie comes from. They call her Bunny so that we don't get confused.

But not that she had the name Bunny first. I just, that's why I call it. You Alford, Mike McDaniel's alive upon arrival at the Space House. That's not what happened. What I meant was it's easier when Dan calls her Bunny because then he doesn't always say Katie and people think he's talking about me. And so now I call her Bunny.

And then as I said Bunny, I was like, am I supposed to tell people her name's Bunny? I can't explain why her name's Bunny. Can I move on from this? I'm so nervous to be talking about this. Absolutely. Absolutely. But Katie came out and said, do you need any dolphin stuff for the game on Sunday? And I immediately, my shoulders went up and, like, I looked at Dan.

Because, you know, when you're, remove the Mike McDaniel of it all. You know, when you're, like, with your persons, people that you want to impress, like, you want to seem like a good, you know, partner to that person and whatever. And so I just immediately was like, does he need me to say yes to this? And so I, like, looked at him with a look that was like, I don't. I don't want to, do I have to? And I just went, and he didn't give me anything. He was just looking at me like, what's she?

Doner was just... Dan just looks at me like, what's she going to do in this situation? And I was like, help, help, help. So then I just went, do I have to? And she said, no. And I was like, okay, cool, then absolutely not. And she said, it's a white out, so we were white. You're watching the Dolphins score 70-Fion points against the team

that your Dan and Mike McDaniel grew up in the same city as McDaniel was a ballboy. Everybody knows the story by now. The TV version of this was very funny to me. I assumed to Kevin as well. At some point, you just start laughing. Yes. But you're there in person watching it.

Like, what are you and Dan doing as this is unending? Drinking. No, we don't do that. Okay. You're super stoned. Allegedly. In the state of Florida, allegedly. Right.

Illegal. I know. It's shocking. The most shocking thing every time. gambling and weed. What are we doing? Everything is legal down there. I know.

Scamming is legal. That's right. Just don't smoke weed. Statutes legalizing Ponzi schemes, but don't smoke weed. So what we were doing was laughing at Dan's friend, Chad, who had come from Denver. Because as you said, Dan grew up in Denver. So the Broncos are the team that a young Mike McDaniel and a young Dan Soder were watching that was in their heart. hometown but Mike McDaniel's now a head coach so you're not assuming he's a Broncos fan that doesn't

matter and Dan was always a 49ers fan so he's not a Broncos fan so this didn't hurt that way but their third friend Chad who also came to the game with his lovely wife Jenna Chad is a Broncos fan Chad has always been a Broncos fan so Chad was watching it would be like watching Dan watch the dolphins like do this to the 49ers it would just be a different level of and so Chad was having a tough time watching it unfold in the suite of the head coach of the team that was absolutely embarrassing. Was Chad wearing pity, Pity Dolphins gear? No, Chad wore, I believe, all white because it was a white.

We all got away with it because it was a white out. So you didn't have to, like, show any sort of allegiance. But this is my question for Kevin. Are we all just Chad now? Like, are we all just watching our teams get destroyed by the greatest offense in the history of football. Seriously? Yeah, so I don't know how you stop it.

The motion rates are insane. It's a very... Mike McDaniel runs what a souped-up five-year-old would run, which is like fast guy... If you asked a five-year-old who's watched like 10 games, like, what should we do with football? He'd be like, let's get a bunch of fast guys, and let's do a lot of confusing shit before the snap, and then we'll just go from there, and that's really pretty much the basis of it, the bedstone, and the bedrock.

and it's working, and they have the fastest people in football. They just combined them. Jay and Water wasn't even playing on Sunday, and it seems to not matter. Absolutely wild. I've never seen anything like this as far as the speed. Same. Barnwell and I were on a show together a couple days ago, and he was like, well, 2018 Chiefs, 2007 Patriots, which Katie remembers.

Those teams didn't even score 60, and now we're at 70. Now, it takes the institutional rot on the other side of the field. I was going to say, is it worth noting that the Broncos are a mess? I can't believe... Sean Payton just might not be into this. He just might not be into this. You think this is a cry for help? Kind of.

Well, he was... Also, even afterwards, it was so fatalistic. He was like, you know, sometimes you just get your butt whipped in the NFL, but this is not that. And nobody was like... Then what is it? Then what is this? What is this? You just be like...

What is beyond butt whipping? Yeah. I don't... I don't know. So we're just going to see this. It's not going to be like the Patriots, Katie's Patriots. They put up a fight. They had Christian Gonzalez on Tyreek Hill.

It seemed to work a little bit. They could have won that game, some special teams. Earlier the season, yes. Yeah, two weeks ago. And so I don't think that they're going to go like 17 and O or whatever, and it just romped to the Super Bowl. I mean, it reminds me actually a little bit of the beginning of the Lamar Jackson MVP year, where guys didn't know what to do.

And I remember going to Baltimore that year, and some of the tight ends were telling me that, like there were linebackers on the other team that would just look over to their their coaches and just be like, what do I do? And I'm like, oh, I'm like, oh, I'm like, what do I do? These little kids looking up, yeah. Yeah, and so it just, I think a lot of times,

especially in the NFL, there's the shock to the system for like two months. And then we figured out guys get- Well, that's the question, guys get banged up. You get the tape, Kevin, you slice up the all-22 and you adjust. I, the lot of teams, like, by the way, we talk about the 07 Patriots,

They did lose, and they almost lost to the Giants in week 17 of the regular season as well. And then they lost two of the Giants in Super Bowl. Why are we doing this? Because they were also a good offensive team. Yeah. The then greatest offense we had ever seen. Mm-hmm. By a significant degree.

I'm interested to know your answer to a question. Can I ask it of you? How many good coaches are there in the NFL right now? Seven? Is Belichick's eight or nine? We're still saying Belichick's good. Yeah, he is. He is.

Okay. But like eight or nine typically. And then there's a bunch of guys who were just kind of system dependent. Do they have health? Do they have a good roster that year? And there's four or five guys who just can't coach. Like, I don't think Brandon Staley is capable of anything. Right, the Chargers.

Yeah. Sort of the shines come off of the analytics sort of darling aspect. Well, he doesn't even do. We got back into analytics on Sunday. He killed analytics last year. Oh, that's right. And now he's back into analytics. But speaking of which, like Mike McDaniel, though,

at top, like, the power pole of both coaches in the NFL right now, but also nerds. Actual nerd. Not fake nerd. Because there's a lot of the, this guy's just a football dork. And it's like, okay, it's just because they study military history

and they don't shower for four days in a row. And it's like, no, Mike McDaniel is a legitimate, like he is the first Reddit coach, I think. And I'd say a couple of things. I put it to you because you know him. I've met him less than five times. I don't.

You've pressed his cabinets. He comes home and he goes, he does this. And we talk for three minutes. And he goes to sleep. You said the word bunny on this podcast. And I'm really regretting it. Truly, I'm never going to be invited back to this ship.

The only two things he does is vape and come up with unguardable place. Is that accurate? In other words. Is there a third thing Mike McDaniel does? I don't think so. I don't know. It seems unsustainable. Does it feel that way to you?

Can we get ahead of where this conversation? is going. Because scoring 70 is literally historic. They're not going to score 70 points every single week, but they also aren't going to have Sean Payton on the other side having an existential crisis.

But I say it's unsustainable because according to the Drafking Sportsbook, the bills are two and a half point favorites this weekend. So I think it's a mixture of a lot of things. The game is not in Miami. We're famously the heat was such on...

It was so hot. So last year, last year, God bless him, but last year the bills lost in Miami. Oh, this was a thing about the sun. And one of a couple, this is actually like a couple of like prominent bills bloggers actually said, this is when I knew the bills were eliminated

from Super Bowl contention, is they were like we should call the like the labor, national labor relations board because Miami's an unsafe work environment after the game because it was like so hot on the field and Buffalo couldn't adjust to it. And I was like this is. To be fair. I've seen enough. You're calling, you're calling

the socialist manager on me? Literally, I saw a couple tweets like that this time last year and I was like this, I've seen enough. 80% humidity though is, should be illegal. That gets all up in a person. I went down there just to, you know, before the game and I was like, anyone running around in this is out of their mind. I like it. I grew up down there.

Disgusting. Why are we burying the lead on Kevin Clark saying that he likes swamped as his resting state? So the other thing that brings us here today is, um, The fact that I read this article in the New York Times. And the article was, it's an article that I am always self-conscious about talking about on this show because it's the genre of,

there's this thing happening on TikTok, and you should know about it. And Katie is already Mr. Bernsing because this is her wheelhouse as well. But it's also Kevin Clark's wheelhouse. Because the story is titled, If I embarrass my baby on TikTok, will he stay my baby forever?

And it's about how there are these trends on TikTok in which, and maybe you've seen them, in which parents are throwing slices of cheese at the faces of their kids and cracking eggs on the heads of their babies. And it is wildly popular

in part because it seems like this is, I guess, news. When you throw a slice of cheese at a baby, they will do something funny. And I took from this article something that I, something that I'm not proud of, but the instinct to figure out how to monetize my child.

Truly, I'm like, okay, I'm not going to throw the cheese. I'm not going to crack the egg. Can I stop here? If you throw something at a baby, whether it's cheese or not, they'll react in an unusual way because they're babies and they're not. So I think his point is throw bigger stuff at your baby. Or get bigger reaction. You know who reacts when you throw stuff at them?

Any human. I don't know, let's find out. Kevin Clark, uh, baby defense attorney. Now listen. My client has a lot of reactions. Babies can beat the weird reaction to cheese allegations. Like, this is not abnormal. But what is abnormal and yet totally normalized is the idea that there are kids out there.

Like the unboxing kid? You familiar with this kid, Ryan's toys, who may now be a... You mean this tiny billionaire? I was going to say, who... who may now be 19 years old and a billionaire, was making, like, NBA max contract money annually because he was opening toys. Which is crazy because opening toys is already the cool thing.

Yeah, I was going to say. And you're making more money off of doing the thing you love to do. Right. It's do what you love and you never, you know, work a day in your life, that Ryan's toys, he's just making $30 million, opening toys. The unboxing, by the way, to get on something of a tangent about this, because I'm fascinated by that,

there is something to the idea of like vicariously living through your child and not just as a parent but like vicariously living through a child who is opening a box full of toys. And I get that. But for me, it's like by the time I watch that child, who I now know is a millionaire, open his 79th gift even. I think 79 is my ceiling. I'm like, okay, I've seen this kid's reactions. I don't care.

He's not going to give me. pure unbridled joy every time. That's the part that I don't understand. Totally hear you. I can't understand wanting to see a child experience that joy. But the same child experienced that same joy three times a week for seven years. What are we doing? I got bad news for you.

Yeah. People love it. Doesn't matter what you think. I know. Because this is wildly popular. And it feels psychological. It feels like anthropological too. Like, okay.

So we're like vicariously participating in capitalism through this child. Yeah. A child's idea of what it means to be living the dream. And the spontaneity, the surprise of like, what's in the box. We've got to find out what's in the box. But if you think about it, like cooking shows, like chopped or whatever, we don't get to eat that food. So we're technically living vicariously through them too.

We're watching them make it. And then we never get to eat it. And like that should seem, I would think to the generation that is in the same position to us as we are to the generation we're talking about. They'd be like, why would you? Isn't all TV living vicariously? Well, there's a question I'll think we have time for. There's nothing that, like, gets delivered to you at the end of it.

Yeah, no, I guess. If you don't get the thing on Pond Stars. But you can see the, yes, you do, if you call. Call who? I don't know. Project Runway, you get to see the outfit. Yeah, but you don't get the outfit. No, I know, but you don't need to get the outfit to appreciate the outfit.

Whereas, like, the food, I have no, I have no idea what that tastes like. I can see what it looks like. I have no idea what it tastes like, what you made. None. And I'll never know. I have a friend who worked at a reality TV company, and they said that one day, and they make all these different shows, and they said that one day someone ran from their office in New York City.

They run out into the sort of newsroom, I guess you could call it, and they just screamed, ghosts are real. Hmm? And then they went back in. I have a ghost take. Where are we going? Do you want to hear my ghost take?

It's a reality show discussion that I thought that I would puncture it with ghosts are real, but now he has a ghost take. Now we're off to the races. I would love ghosts to be real because then I grew up Catholic then I could finally believe that like in my objective mind that God is real Wait that's a pretty mainstream take

You do not read as a Catholic Yankee fan growing up I am both of those things The priest of my parish was the Yankees team chaplain I have an autographed Derek Jeter spring training pamphlet that he addressed to Pablo Tor Oh. Which was disheartening because my last name is the same last name as his fucking manager.

Yeah. On the other hand, Joe Torrey. If you're signing to a kid, don't put a last name. Yeah, what kids don't have last names? The resale value on this pamphlet is very low, is my point. But ghosts are real, I hope, because then all things are possible. But isn't...

I don't want to sound stupid, so maybe I should just leave it. But isn't, aren't you not supposed to believe in... Aren't those two things at odds, technically? if you were a devout Catholic, I don't think you believe in the paranormal. I agree. But I mean, I get what you're, I understand what you're saying like on a base level, but I don't think. Pablo wants to know there's something there. There's just something there.

The two plus two equals five sometimes. Yes, yes. And theoretically speaking, does the Catholic Church abide by the existence of ghosts? I don't think. No. I don't think. I think it's seen as the occult. I'm going to have to call my priest.

It just seems like it would be outside. It would be outside the boundaries of what the belief system is. Right. I think if you're going by it strictest, I don't even think yoga's chill by Catholicism. In terms of what I'm supposed to do with my child, faith aside, how much I'm supposed to do with her in public

that is both accruing to my self-interest, right? Like, this is a story in the New York Times about parents figuring out that children are content and that this is not just like, oh, a wonderful memory we can treasure together forever, but also like, oh, there's, this is doing something for people. And I wonder, Kevin, as a new dad, what is your strategy with child content? Non-existent.

So I have two Instagram accounts, as I think you know. One is for private, my friends and family. One is for content, this sort of shit, right? When we take a photo. I don't think that private one follows me. I don't think we follow each other on that private one. I think I'm just... I follow you.

You don't follow me back. Oh. No, I think it's because it's because it's really hard. for me to be like, here's my private account, follow me back. Okay, but do that today so that I can make sure I, okay. You got to see Teddy. Other folks cannot see Teddy, nor will they ever. Part of that is that my wife works with the Wall Street Journal,

investigates and publishes stories on very powerful people. Occasionally, she gets some blowback on that and pretty significant. I wouldn't say threats, but, you know, people dig in. Right, an actual journalist. Yeah, and like even the other day, somebody came after me, because I said something, I said Ryan Day was soft for getting in a fight with with 86-year-old Lou Holtz. And, like, immediately, there's one picture of kind of the back of Teddy's head on my Twitter.

And immediately, there were, like, three Ohio State fans be like, it looks like the fucking male man, bro. And so, like, you just have to get used to that kind of stuff. And so that, Teddy will never be focused, will never be the focal point of anything content-wise. So, wait, you made the decision. Including the fact, he is incredibly, like, Gerber baby cute, fat cheeks. This is the thing. He looks like the dictionary definition of a baby.

A woman at Target who works a target the other day came up to him and said Hey fat baby Just out loud P.H. Yes, exactly. Exactly. And she didn't even know she was getting an exclusive.

She got to see that baby's face. That's exactly right. The The decision you've made already to say I'm never going to show this kid to anyone is not the decision that I made. Oh, we're doing this. Oh, my God.

You can swipe two. Oh, my God. So Katie, so Katie Nolan is looking at Kevin Clark's cell phone for the podcast audience. I actually really like that. Switchshirt. And I'm going to be honest with you, Kevin.

Before I even see this, I'm going to say this baby is cute and it could be showing me a picture of Skyline Chili. Like, I'm just going to have to say this is cute now. Honestly, though, that's... Cute baby. So this is... So Kevin Clark's authentically cute baby...

Is the dilemma here. Right. Because... I want to see that content. Because it's daring. you to do something with this. Yeah. Like, and I don't want to turn Violet,

my daughter, who's three, who's three. So, here you go, thank you, Bob. More baby for me. I don't want to turn her into a child actor, but at the same time, I'm like, I don't know. If Ryan's toys is making $25 million, yeah, I mean, we just turn that camera off.

We have to destroy that camera. We're going to have to redact that. Yeah, it feels, I have not made this decision. I'm not saying I'm never going to do it. In fact, I've already started posting, like, photos of Violet here and there. Yeah.

You know? So Teddy, as you saw in the photo there, went to his first football game over the weekend, which in name only was it a football game. It was a Temple Miami game. 20,000 people in a 70,000 seat stadium. We had club seats. We were able to feed him on the couches. He took his biggest ever poop.

This exact same experience that I had in Miami that was. Like to a tea. Took his biggest ever poop in the club level. Had some lentil that I think may have been vaguely expired. I'm glad we're reporting this. Yeah. And so anyway. No photos, but you can...

Yeah, let me tell you about his poops, though. But it took, like, 30 minutes to clean up. Like, we were in the family restroom. We had to change him and all that stuff. And I was thinking, like, this could be amazing content. I'm in the link. You know, Eagles fans could say, yeah, I've been in that bathroom before. And I could only do it verbally.

I talked about it on my show on Sunday. This is football via Omaha production, CSPN. And then that's enough of that. No more of that. I might do it one more time. That's enough. I might do one more time. I think two is enough.

But I can't, I thought about those photos becoming public, and I just, I'm not going to do it. Because where do you draw the line? Right, right. I do have content brain. Dominique, Foxworth, our friend, makes fun of me for this all the time. He asked me what I wanted for my birthday today. I said, I want you to come on my podcast. And I said it unironically.

Did he give it to you? Yeah, he agreed. Nice. And now he's bound next week, I think. That's beautiful. Cool. But truly, like, I can't stop seeing my life through the, lens of like is this good content.

And I hate it, but I also feel like it's an evolutionary. Again, one of those things where I'm like... Don't you think that you would produce good content if that were the case? Oh, I see. Oh, I see. Kevin's problem with Pablo Torre finds out is that this isn't football. Kevin? Hi.

What did you bring? What did you bring us? What did you bring us? I want to preface this by saying I have a huge amount of respect for scammers. Okay. As a Floridian? As a Floridian, the two things, it is my culture. I feel like I'm well-versed like a 10,000-hour theory in dealing with scammers, identifying

scammers, not signing anything in the presence of scammers, which is important. Also, bar fights, I've seen a lot of bar fights and I can kind of within three or four seconds identify whether or not somebody or something is a problem. I'm really good at that. That is a hell of a claim, but proceed. I'm just really good. And also that would extend. to geopolitical issues

where I'm always just like, yeah, these guys are not new to Israel. Yeah, no, no, I actually did see that coming. Or like when North Korea is like, oh, we're testing this stuff. It's like, all right, buddy, you're going to talk about it, you're going to do something. Okay? Like that kind of thing. Sure.

You go to enough spring breaks in Daytona Beach. You understand this. Yeah, yeah. And so, all this leads to not the bar fight thing, the scamming. A story in Vox and other places. And other places. Multiple sources.

It's not an exclusive. So there's a Deloitte survey that says that Gen Z Americans are three times more likely to get caught up in an online scam than baby boomers, 16% to 5% respectively. Now, there's a couple of things about this. Number one is that boomers are sort of branded as people who get caught up in scams. They're not technologically advanced, all of this stuff. what I like about this, and by the way, that's true. Like, I had an extended family member who is a boomer, get caught up in a scam in the last 24 months or so.

And I'll tell you what didn't happen. Nobody in my family was like, I am gobsmacked this happened. Everybody was like, yeah, no, no, no, that's... His homepage is yahoo.com. Yeah, he was just waiting around. He was just waiting around to get scammed. They got him good. I'll say that.

They got him good. Damn. So, what I like about this is. it's almost like the scammers. Again, we're all praise for the scammers. Why? Why are we praising scammers? Because they're getting it done. Didn't you hear the stats?

Yeah. All right. So, it reminds me a little bit. Because you play to win the game. That's why. I'm not here to lose. The whole narrative is that Gen Z, they're just on top of things. They've had the internet since they were three years old.

Right. So you feel like, because of the reputation of Gen Z, you'd be afraid to go with them. It's almost like a top cornerback in football. And this happened like famously with like Namdi Asimwa, if you remember him. Oh, yeah. Raiders. When he was with the Raiders, was nobody threw at him.

Nobody threw at him. Then he goes to the Eagles. People threw at him. And it turned out he was just okay. It was that nobody just tested him in Oakland because it wasn't an issue. You could throw other places. And so the scammers correctly were like we've identified Gen Z as incredibly scammable. And we're going right in.

We're going to grab the bull by the horns. It's working, I would say. These numbers are incredible. That is surprising to me, admittedly. The Gen Z can get scammed. Because they're not that they can, but that they are at a rate that is in far in excess of people who learned about the internet through AOL.

I also do, I think, though, that you're on the internet so much more that just that numbers-wise has to increase your chance of... Sure. Right, there's more chances to touch, to get to them. I agree. They just want to be involved in stuff. Like, you ever walk around? on Soho and there's like a line around the block

for something and you think it's oh it must be like you know like shoes or something and it's like it's actually for like a coffee and he's like what it's like oh this coffee was on TikTok and it's like okay I know exactly the store you're talking about I do too I'm not gonna name it because you want to shop at that store unironically I went in there one day

and I was like this is not for me and I can't even pronounce the name of the store that's actually why I'm not saying I may lay on door yeah that's another another way to feel very old Yeah, it's just, yeah, it's, it's, it's, the vibe's okay, but there's always a long ass line. And I'm just like, okay, I'm just not going to do this.

But they're desperate. You could get in that line and scam them. They want to belong. These kids need love so badly. As we said earlier, there's no monoculture, right? So they just, if, if the monoculture is just getting $30,000 lost in some, like, weird home equity loan scam, that's, that's great for them. I think the overarching point here, and like, I was a history major in college. Okay.

And, and. And, um, the. does track. That 100% tracks. The one thing that I think is important when you study history is like every generation, every person is basically the same. Like starting in like 900, you'll read stuff and it's like, well, this guy might as well just live right now, right?

Everybody's aggressively modern. There's not really much that's new when you, and also like you read about like Abraham Lincoln and George Washington. They've got like crippling self-doubt and, you know, it's like everybody's the same. Everybody's the same. George Washington was a nightmare to work with, a nightmare. I love that. Constantly threatening to quit.

just a real office office nightmares George Washington definitely would have gotten What's that thing? Cancelled He has been canceled No he has been canceled He's done

He's so canceled He's not even around anymore He's done I was gonna say like Brazilian lip fillers Or whatever it is Yeah, the wooden teeth thing Yeah This is a BBO

It was like hippopotamus teeth right That's right Oh my God for real? That's right Yeah it wasn't wooden teeth No Hippap See that's history

History major So the point is, by the way, George Washington is, is canceled. Yes. But the point is, like, every generation is the same. Every generation is the same. And, like, there's an old George Carlin bit about how, like, everybody says, like, the kids are our future or whatever. And it's like, well, there's probably a bunch of losers in the kid generation just by percentage-wise. Yeah.

It's mostly a bunch of losers. And then a couple of winners. And we had this whole thing where, like, somehow, like, the generation below us, Gen Z became, like, progressive-coded. And instead of it was like, well, the kids are all right. They're going to be our future. and it's like now. Greta Thunberg. Yeah, exactly.

They're all Greta Thunberg. Right. And instead, they're just boomers, but they wear on the little tiny boomers. They're little tiny boomers. And they're getting scammed out of their college funds. I haven't seen, I haven't heard of any Gen Z buying gold coins off of a cable broadcast. Did you miss the whole NFT thing? Yes, that's number one.

Yeah, but a lot of us did that. That was a lot of us. And I'm looking at you, Jimmy Fallon, whatever the hell that whole thing was. It was the most obvious scam. What did Jimmy Fallon do? Why did he become the face of NFT? That ape thing. He and Paris Hilton.

Oh, yeah, yeah. It's just like so, I've never seen something that was so transparently like, hey, this isn't a thing. And everybody was like, you're the idiot. It's a thing. And then so quickly now they're like, hey, by the way, NFTs weren't real and it's done now. And they were a big scam. And everyone's like, what? Crazy.

I was once at a bar on the west side. And it was like 5 p.m. and one of the bartenders was like, hey, last night, or they were talking about, hey, Jimmy Fallon and, like, some other celebrity came in last night, and they, like, manned the bar, and everybody was all amped,

and I was like, that must have been cool when he was like, it was a nightmare. That would be my immediate reaction. That sounds like a nightmare. He laughed at everything. Yeah, yeah. He said while laughing. He was like, it was not cool.

It was like 2013 or whatever. So I felt, I thought it was cool. I would have been like, hey, there's big J.F behind the bar. That seems exciting. Big J.F. I'd been scammed. I would have been.

They'd be scammed. I would have been scammed. I think it was cool. So anyway, I think that... You're gleeful about this statistic, though. Yeah. You seem like you're dunking. But here's the difference, right? You say you haven't heard about Gen Z getting scammed or whatever. Gold coins. Gold coins, all this stuff. So I think the difference is, is that Gen Z is smart enough, if there's any difference between generations, to now broadcast it. Okay? Like, my extended family member... They broadcast everything. Yeah, but they're no, like, ah, shit, lost $15,000 on this weird. offshore thing, this investment.

I invested in wind in Columbia and that turned out to be a thing and Columbia University. And now I've lost that money. They're not going to put that on TikTok. I don't know. I think they are. They have to put their babies on TikTok. How old is Gen Z?

On boxing. Isn't Gen Z nine to? They're like nine years old right now? No. Nine to twenty one? They're like in college now. How old is Gen Z? That's right. Is what I'm Googling.

They're currently between 9 and 24 years old. I was so close. There are nearly 68 million of them. I'm talking about the ones that are 21 to 24. Okay, well, you can't just do, that's elder, that's elders'ese. Zelders. Elders, yeah, you're addressing the culture by talking to their elders. I guess that is respectful.

But I don't think the 9-year-olds have babies. I could be wrong. I don't know what's going on out there nowadays. I'm not on TikTok. But the nine-year-olds are getting scammed, for sure. You're telling me... Because they're nine. They're nine.

They're probably dragging down the stats, to be honest. It's probably like the nine, ten, eleven, twelve that are like just clicking on those things. They're also spending a bunch of their parents' money on, like, viable downloads. Oh, that's true. I mean, if we're counting, like, when somebody gets their parents credit card and puts them on, like... That's dragging the whole gen down. Or, like, what's the EA sports thing, the ultimate team stuff? Where did people spend like $11,000 just to get...

What? Truly? $11,000? I mean, a lot of money just to get like, like Harry Kane. He's one of our own. He is one of our own. But he's also expensive and ultimate team. That's a scam.

That's a scam. Harry Kane is a scam. What? I'm a Toddlin fan. I'm a Toddner. I'm a Toddner. I forget that you're at ESPN now. I like him a lot.

It was a joke. But he's a Byron Munich now. And now we're winning. It's addition by subtraction. We scammed Byron Meenick. Love you, Harry. He doesn't love you. 30 years old.

30 years old. Yep, yep. I clicked on an email. I still have an ESPN email account that I never log into. And I opened it recently. And I clicked on a link in an email. And I was notified that I had just fallen for a Disney orchestrated scam. Oh, yes.

You fell for the fake scam. That's a scam scam. Wait a second. I failed the test. This is like at the airport when like one C. or they put through the fake bombs at TSA. And they're like, all of them got through. He got secret shoppered into a scam.

That's right. What was the undercover CEO show? I got an undercover boss. Undercover boss, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Jimmy Pitaro jumped out of the screen and was like, you did not do any of the webinars. Mm-hmm. And that was accurate.

I felt ashamed. You should. And I actually, I feel secondhand embarrassed. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you want to cut this out? No. No, I want to move it to the front.

I why what what did you click on it what did they entice you I don't want to say I do oh no oh no I do now you must now you must it was a link to a thing and I was like oh oh this is like

it was it was a password fishing scam sure but what was the link Pablo you know how they could have gotten me and maybe this is what happened to you is that they did that like you're overdue for your compliance training, click on this,

they send you that email. Every day. Every day, yes, Pants said you that. Do you know that the ringer people used to get, maybe they still do, we have a famous boss and there are people who would pose

this having fishing scams. They'd be like, hey, like, click on this link and I'd be like that, I doubt my famous boss would have sent that email. Why are we anonymizing Bill Simmons? Yeah, what?

I don't know. I just like, it's weird. You got to talk about Bill. Everybody knows his name. It was weird emails we would get. Weird fishing emails. Yeah, I felt for that.

It would be like your photos are ready. Yes. Bill's always texting me that. Bill's always like your photos. No, it was email. Also email, which he doesn't even use for that kind of stuff. And he's always BBMing me about my photos being ready. It's BlackBank Messenger.

The kids have no idea what that is. It's a Brazilian butt messenger? We didn't get scammed. How do millennials do in this poll? Do we get scammed? We've never been scammed. Never been scammed. Congratulations.

We just eat avocado toast and can't afford homes. Can I tell you the actual time I got scammed that I don't even know if I want to put this on tape? I'm ready. Have you ever been scammed? Because I don't think I have, but I... If you guys are volunteering scams, then this is incredibly vulnerable. I believe that if you told me that I had, I'd go, that sounds right, but I can't think right now of an example of when it's happened. I'm a native New Yorker, right?

I'm walking here. Sure, I see it. Very plausibly a thing that I say. So I was walking here down Fifth Avenue one night. I was fact-checking at Sports Illustrated. Literally checking facts. This occurs to me now. That was my job.

I'm checking facts. Oh, you're distracted. I'm walking down Fifth Avenue. And this Italian guy, and I hate to racialize him, but this is key to the story. He is in a car, and his trunk is open. And he's like, I'm not going to do the accent because I can't. Oh, my God. And Katie is Italian, so I can't do it.

Thank you. Katie can do it. Um, so he says, uh, you know, excuse me, excuse me, sir. Hey, buddy. That's what it would sound like. I'll translate. He's like, I'm headed to the airport right now. I can't pay.

Oh, yeah. Oh, my God. I can't pay the fee on this trunk of high end leather jackets that I have. Oh, my God. How did you fall from this? Dude, how did you fall? I don't even want to tell the story. Almost literally falling out the back of a truck.

This is actually. Oh, my God. I'm fringing on my own behalf. I know. Why don't you just let him. Let's, let him get through it really fast. So he's like, hey, do you want any of these?

I'm trying to get rid of them at discount. Oh my God. Oh my God. Oh my God. 10 p.m. How old were like 24 years? Exactly. I'm 24 years old.

I know at one point I'm going to feel self-conscious about competing with Kevin Clark in a jacket off. And I'm like, so I say to him, and this is true, I say to him, I don't have cash on me, man. Sorry. And I try to leave. And he's like, there's a bank right there. Oh, my God. You went into the bank.

I went to a second location. Oh my God. I wanted this jacket. Was it that nice of a jacket? What was the brand? So I go to the bank. I go to the bank. I go to the bank.

I withdraw, I think it was like $130. Good discount. That's what I said. Processing, fact checking. Yep, that sounds like a discount. And I take out the money and I give it to this guy. And he hands me this, like, brown leather jacket. And I take it home and I'm like, I fucking did it.

Like this, what a deal. And immediately I get home. And of course, this is just like levels upon levels of naivete. I try it on. It doesn't really fit that well. I'm like, fuck. You didn't even do that. But jackets are not hard to try on.

He was moving me on. Jacket goes over when you're- He was hustling me along. He's like, I got to go to the airport right now. Come on. Oh, my God. The airport with a- Trunk full of you taking a red eye?

All of this is accurate. None of this is exaggerated. God damn. So I... You're the dumbest person I'm having that. It's not good, Kevin. It's not good. I don't think it's going to get better.

And, of course, what I do is I'm like, and then I sit down on my couch. Oh, no. And I'm like... The color transferred? I'm just like, let me just check something. And I Google leather jacket scam. What?

And I see in a message board thread exactly what happened to me complained about by other people. And I'm like, okay, I'm an idiot. I threw out the jacket. But you paid for it. It was already a sunk cost. Just keep it.

You think I wanted that reminding me that I did this? I mean, it's a good reminder so that every day you don't make that same mistake. Every time you shrug that ugly thing over your shoulders is too tight. To literally anybody. Every time you pull it. your arm in difficulty, you'll go don't, not getting scammed today, but you can't bend

your arm that much, so you just go not getting scammed today. You know what was even worse? The jacket was too big. Oh my God, too big. I was like a child swimming in this fake-ass jacket. Did it go over? Just gained? Oh, it went over his fingers. At that point, you just have to gain weight. Yeah.

Justify the whole thing. You both up. It's jacket season. Holy cow, Pablo. That's like a cartoon. That's a cartoon scam. It's, I, I, I, there's no way to spin this. Happy birthday to meet. Happy birthday. I had a roommate in college who... We have to get your leather jacket, by the way.

Yeah. No. A brown leather. Have you ever owned a brown leather jacket? It's going to be PTSD. Yeah, for real. I had a roommate in college who was like, you know, this was 2000. It was not in college. It was right after college, we moved to New York City. So it was 2009.

And jobs were tough to come by, and we had all moved to the city of this, like, fake third bedroom where they had put up a fake wall. And this girl lived in this tiny room. I know those. And she was like, I know. need to get a job and she wanted to be on Broadway but that dream fizzles very quickly when you're in there's no rent and so she was like I just need to get a job so she found there plays on broadway about rent exactly yep um she found a um Craigslist post about this job I think it was going to be babysitting kids or something and she there was just the way I found out about this we were leaving the apartment

and I was like she was like oh I'll come with you I have to go to the bank and so I was like what are you going the bank for you don't have any money you haven't paid rent two months and she was like I'm going to go to the because this I got this job they just need me to send them they accident they sent me it too much they sent me my first check but they sent too much and so I just have to send them back a couple hundred and I was like when did that check get there when did that get into your account she was like yesterday I was like do not do this that check's going to bounce and then you're just going to be negative however much money they're making you send back and she was like you don't trust anybody I don't like I don't like

I like how your stories about how you guys are good at avoiding scams. Not even my own. It was happening to somebody else. Yeah. And I was like, that's clearly, because my first instinct is always, what are you trying to get out of this? My first instinct is, this doesn't feel like, this isn't a normal behavior, so what is, I try to find the scam in everything, and it is annoying,

because sometimes people are just not scamming you. My instinct is, cool jacket. But you didn't even try it on! That's how cool it was! What I think is that you paid $100 whatever dollars because you felt bad. Because you didn't want to say no to this Italian guy. You didn't want it to be uncomfortable. You were lonely in New York City to isolating city and you were just like, I want to give $130 to feel connected to the city.

This is even more embarrassing. It's people pleasing. I think. All right, we're done. This is actually, I think. I don't think I'm coming back to this all day. I don't think I'm going to be invited back. Unfortunately, Katie and I just have stopping.

scamming stories and you have, seems like maybe an endless pile of being scammed. You're going to come back because I'm going to want to make you happy. Yes. Yes. Surround yourself with people pleasers. All right. So we end every show.

Oh yeah. With saying what we learned and every time. We say what it is that we found out today on Pablo Torre finds out. I will start because I found out that I shouldn't have told that story. Yeah. Me too. Yeah.

I was going to say, I found out I'm smarter than Pablo at one thing. And it's scams. It's not everything, but it's one more than I thought when I came in today. It's a pretty large topic. Yeah, it's pretty pivotal, too. Found out. We're in downtown Manhattan. I have to get to LaGuardia, but I cannot pay the fees on leather jackets.

And I need to just, if you could, there's a bank right downstairs. Kevin Clark is not coming back. Yes, on the jackets or no? Okay. I think we're done. Can we end it? Pablo, what the fuck? I know. Pablo, what the fuck?

I know. I investigate stories now. You had the excuse. You had no cash on you. I know. Pre-pen PayPal was pre-any of that. You could have walked away. What's most embarrassing is that when Kevin was saying I had to go to LaGuardia, I was like, oh, he has to catch a flight. Yeah, me too. I really kind of thought.

Catch on. Everybody in the other room is laughing. I did not catch on until like three beats in. I was like, oh. This has been Pablo Torre finds out. A Metal Arc Media production. And I'll talk to you next time.