Pablo Torre Finds Out - The Man Who Can Find Anywhere

Episode Date: January 15, 2026

He is a god of Google Maps — an internet legend for matching a single image with a far-flung location, in the blink of an eye. But Trevor Rainbolt never wanted to be an influencer. And for a while there, he'd never even left the United States. The 27-year-old college dropout who helped us find Bill Belichick's Ring camera finally links up with Pablo to tell the sports origin story of a modern creator — from Steph Curry meme lord and KD DMs to Travis Kelce matchmaker and alleged CIA agent — while opening his aperture to the world he's been studying... then accepting a special assignment. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Welcome to Pablo Torre finds out. I am Pablo Torre, and today we're going to find out what this sound is. This is Thailand? Nice. This is Israel? Nice. Right after this ad. Where are you right now?

Can you say, can you disclose your own geographic location? Can you guess? No, the classic. That's my good thing. You have a sofa behind you, and it is sparsely decorated, and there's an air conditioner above. Straight from the AC is a good call. That's a good, that's a good, no, that's straight from my kid. I'm in Bangkok, so Bangkok, Thailand.

I've been here for three years now. This is long, long awaited, you being on the show. I'm a huge fan, so thanks for, I've watched probably every episode. So this is kind of like, this is surreal, I would say. This is also, I've only ever been on like two podcasts before. This is like my second or third podcast ever, so I hope it goes well. It's an honor. It is an honor, and I want to explain to people how we met each other on the internet

before we explain why you're in Bangkok, Thailand. Because for people who don't know, it's funny for me to introduce you to anybody, but you're an internet legend. Finally tonight, a popular online geography game that takes players around the globe one Google Street View image at a time. We all know Rainbow by now. The geogess are Savants who will more or less find anything and everything on Earth simply because he can.

Social media videos of Rainboat playing the game at his desk have millions of views and legions of fans. Whether it's simply looking at the soil. This looks Nigerian. You get that red soil over there Benin and Ngu. Or pixelated details. Just Brazil. Pretty free. Sometimes only seeing an image for a tenth of a second.

You are genuinely a person I am fascinated by. You're one of the greatest geogessers in the world. And you get dropped on a random road. anywhere in the world on Google Maps, and you got to guess where you are. Is that a fair summary for just what geo-guessing is as a concept? Basically, you get dropped on Google Street View. You get either one still shot, a 360 panorama,

or you can move around, but I like to play just like one still shot, and use the context clues in that photo to make an educated guess where you are. And so the origin story of how we first got in contact, it naturally involves Bill Belichick and Jordan Hudson. And so do you remember how you became aware that I was asking for your services? So this was probably back in May. And I remember opening up my phone because I was in Nepal at the time climbing. So I had like very little service.

So I would get like service in and out. And when I got service, I would get like so many notifications. And I remember once I got service again, my phone like loaded all the notifications. They're like, Pablo Torit, you have to check the, I'm like, oh, what is this? we went from me desperately shouting out, like, your name and an email I sent, do I think your manager on part in my take? Because I get this video, the ring camera video, and I'm like, I don't have a good way of like nailing down geographically, like whose house this even is, even if it's been identified

by various tabloids as Jordan Hudson's house. And I don't want to take that for fact. So what I did before I logged on here is I emailed the manager of that guy. guy, a Rainbolt, who's the geopister guy. Yeah, he's incredible. And so I'm hoping, if Rainbolt listens to this, please respond to your manager's email. I kind of need you to solve a mystery. Like, where was this camera?

Who had access to it? So I go on Twitter and like search and I see it. And so I send you a DM and I'm like, okay, this is something I can do. But like, I probably can't do it for like another week or so because I'm currently at like 14,000 feet in Nepal. I don't have, all I have is my phone with very little service and Wi-Fi, so we rain-checked it, but we're able to get it done for you, so it was good. We rainbolt checked it.

There you go, nice. I want to say this with all sincerity, like an Avengers-level international army of fellow geogessers because you were climbing in Nepal who helped find the Airbnb that still gets brought up to me all of the time as this thing that I should be ashamed of finding and renting, as well as a thing that's maybe the most impressive thing I found out. And I have to just say, it's because of your band of people that came to my rescue. Yeah, I just connected the dots there.

I had known that you were going to go to that extent. So when I watched that for the first time when you pub posted, I was like, oh my God, this is like the best case scenario of, like, me connecting me with my friends to help you get this done because I was like, this is better than anything I could have ever expected. Because at this point, I decided to take a trip. You went to the town.

Shut up, Pablo. Shut up, Pablo. Shut up. If you show me a ring cam video with you... Oh, Pablo! What the fuck! Pablo, what the fuck? This is crazy. Pablo, what the fuck?

This is crazy. This is crazy. I don't understand what... I don't understand what podcast is here. Is this Truman Show? What is this? Is this this? Where are we?

What's going on? Oh my God, what's going on? What is this? Okay, I need a lot of answers. now. You went to the house. And you have access to the footage from the ring. Right.

So the ring camera, the footage must go to the... So I'm more than happy to be a part of that. But it's the spirit of like what your life's arc has been as I continue to find out stuff about you, which is that it starts on the internet. It starts diving into rabbit holes. And it is currently taking place in real life at the places you once only saw through your screen. And that part of your story is just...

It's fucking mind-blowing, man, the way that your life has shaped up. It feels like I've lived many lives in a very short amount of time very quickly. We also have just another mission for you today, by the way, if you're willing to take that on. Always. I thought when I first encountered you that you may have grown up, like, internationally, like you're like a European kid or something. I thought that your name, Rainbolt, was a pseudonym. And none of that turns out to be true.

Yeah, I grew up in flipping Arkansas, popprop. population, 1,357. There was like 18 people in my graduating class, same 18 people that were, you know, K through 12. I ended up switching school as my senior year, but Rainbow, it's my actual last name. I had never left the U.S. before I started playing Geogessor. I had only ever traveled virtually through this review. So, yeah, all those things kind of like came together. And I kind of always wanted to see the world. Do you remember being radicalized into Arkansas football? Bobby Petrino era. That was a... First of all, I'd just like to thank everybody that really has shown their support for me and my family. Coach Bobby Petrino didn't seem as though he was holding anything back when he addressed the media Tuesday.

Quite an amazing medical staff that they put together in such a short period of time. Petrino was back at practice just two days after the crash that sent him to the hospital. I'm very fortunate. very lucky to be here and be in good health. Yeah, no, I mean, I've grew up at Arkansas Day in my whole life, season tickets. I would, so flipping was like probably about two, two and a half hours away from Fayetteville. So we'd make weekend trips. It was a good time.

Sometimes it was a good time. Wasn't the, we had, you know, we had Darren McFad in there at a time, but Felix Jones, but for the most part, it was fun, good memories. I'm still realizing that the name of your town is literally flipping. F-L-I-P-P-I-N. Yep. Flipping high school. There's a real untapped merch potential for your hometown, I feel like.

I feel like once when I was in like middle school, I remember flipping church of God made it on like Ellen DeGeneres. And I was like, this is the coolest thing that will ever happen. Like, we've officially made it. Well, you know, so you mentioned Bobby Petrino. You realize that like the universe has also bring us full circle because Bill Belichick has now hired as his offensive coordinator at the University of North Carolina,

Bobby Petrino. That is quite the universe. That's amazing. They're not talking about that in Thailand right now. They're not talking about how Bobby Petrino just got hired. You know, the forum boards here aren't kind up yet. No, sorry. I was looking through your online footprint.

And the thing I found on, I mean, this is something that I still don't understand, but on an LSU message board, this is Tiger Droppings. You're familiar with this forum? I'm not at all. Okay. So you've done some digging I'm unaware of. So this is, you're reversed Unokargey me right now. So this is going to be interesting.

So on this Tiger Droppings message board, on November 22nd, 2022, a user has an icon of the Razorback next to his username. Are you familiar with that? Oh, my God. I'm not. No. I think you're, I think you're finding out that your dad posted about you on this message board. And he says a couple of things, by the way, if this isn't in fact your dad. Wait, wait, wait. Why is my dad on LSU forum?

That's a... Well, so I'm like, why is he... Why is he posting on this forum? I don't know. I think he's also been radicalized in ways that you and I are both learning to understand. But the title is, brag, colon, my 24-year-old son just started the adventure of a lifetime. Hashtag Google Maps. Hashtag Geogessor.

And he goes on to talk about how you had a normal job, which we'll talk about in sports media, which also was jarring for me to learn. And he says this, quote, we play Geogessor, a game where you drop somewhere in the world on Google Street Maps, and you guess where you are, when he was in high school, and we picked it up again as a way to stay in touch every day. He got good, really good, really, really good.

In his spare time, he started a TikTok account where he would post his better games and tips for new players. It took off. Long story short, he passed one million followers earlier this year, then he started a YouTube channel, Snap, Twitter, and Instagram accounts. He quit his job last month. I'm with an agency. He is now making disgusting money.

And then he goes on to say this. He describes himself as, quote, a proud, thrilled, and a little terrified dad because you quit your job last month. This was as of November 2022. I have never, you know, that definitely sounds like my dad. No, I'm not sure how you found that, but that's an amazing post. And, yeah, I remember, like, pre-COVID or, like, right when COVID, I remember, like, kind of, like, sending him my good guesses on Geogessor. Like, look at this good Australia guess I had. This was before, like, you know, I just, like, I had never even posted a single video before.

This was when it was still kind of just like a more of a pastime after work. So that was 22 August around probably. Yeah. The rest is history. He goes on to describe, he's not your typical influencer. He spent countless hours mastering his craft and probably knows more geography than all but a handful of people in the world. And I think all of that, honestly, is true. And the first response is a guy with the username of Kafka.

and it's just a photo. It's a photo of a University of Kentucky fan, and the words at the bottom in meme format are simply in all caps, like I give a fuck. That's the best response possible for that, honestly. Why is he posting that on an LSU forum? It's incredible.

It's incredible. And it goes on. He goes on to just answer people in the comments. And he's incredible. Incredibly sweet. It goes on for nine pages, by the way. Like, your dad is just, like, responding to people. You know, I'll let him live in that internet form.

I'll let him have that, and he can defend me. I think I actually remember telling him at one point to stop responding to the comments somewhere. So this lines up. This is also my parents' experience, me telling them, please stop reading. People being mad because I posted Bill Belichick's shirtless ring cam video and then recreated it on the same porch. Yeah. Universal. You grew up, though, yourself, like, extremely online.

So, like, this is your dad's internet. That's his corner of the internet. But your own... I was deep. Yeah, so... Where did I begin? So I remember 2013 when I started an Instagram account because I was... I don't remember exactly why.

I think it was, like, Christmas break or something. And, like, we went to, like, a family's, like, house. I was, like, bored and, like, nothing to do. And I wanted to start posting videos about stuff. Stefan Curry. I think it was like right after the Nuggets series. I was like, I'm going to make a Steph Curry fan page. And I became obsessed with like Instagram and like growing in the Instagram account to the point where, you know, every single day for up until 2018, 19, I was posting. I mean, the page is still off. It's at Curry Legion. It is probably some very cringe 13 year old LeBron hate. Yes, I found that as well. It's still there.

I'm not hiding from it, yeah. I don't understand how you were able to go to school while maintaining this, at times very sincere. And at times very just like meme lord-brained account. Oh, I was like, dude, Warriors Twitter. Like, I was like 14, like on Warriors' Twitter, like tweeting away, like, with like Warriors' world. That was my life. Like, I loved it, though. Like I was posting live highlights.

I was skipping class to post like Steph Curry highlights when I was in college. It was a job too. I was making money. It actually, it was like the catalyst that I used to convince my parents to drop out of college was that account. And my dad like actually, he made me like right like a, I remember this specifically. He made me write like a business plan on like how I plan on making money from this account. Like my two year, five year plan. It ended up working out because it led to different opportunities.

But I've always loved creating content. Well, look, there's a lot of just like, you know, dancing Winnie the Pooh memes. Yeah. I don't even know how to explain that. So it became an inside joke that every time the Warriors want to playoff game, I would just post Winnie the Pooh dancing. And so it became like a community inside joke that, yeah, whenever they won, I would post the video.

But I haven't posted it probably. I'm still logged in, but I don't think I've posted in like four years, maybe. You also were running, it turns out, according to our research, research, which is, again, extensive at Durant Legion. Yeah, so I saw the business opportunity. And when KD. signed July 4th, I was like, wait, I've always wanted, you know, I've always welcomed KD to the Warriors, obviously. And so when he signed, I made a Durant Legion.

And then I had a friend on Twitter. We ran it together. So it was a collective effort. But that page ended up being followed by KD. I remember KD like DMing it a couple times. saying like yeah so I had like active combo in the dms with kD in like 2017 something like that it's crazy did step ever follow the other account you know what no no that's okay though one day we'll look at the step notice I'm gonna I'm gonna send we're gonna send this to step curry so he's aware of

who has been running his most insane fan account but I love and it makes total sense that kD immediately was like yeah if you could name three players in the NBA that would be most likely to follow their fan account. KD is probably one of them. But the idea that these fan accounts become an actual thing with a business plan that your dad is demanding from you, you realize pretty early on

that the ability to, like, edit video in sports is going to be a thing. It seems like the athletes that you knew were also pretty early to the fact that you were going to be a thing. I transferred my senior year of high school to a high school called Spanish for Alabama in southern Alabama, like football

country, you know, like Friday night light central. And I was like failing my math class. And my teacher of the math class was a coach. And so I ended up pitching to him the idea, can I just like follow you guys to the games like post highlights? And so I just went, drove myself to their games, took notes of every single highlight, went through after, clipped them and posted them to the Instagram. And some of those athletes ended up becoming like NFL players that were like asking me in like 2017 if I could like make them like personal edits for their Instagram. One of them's on the Cowboys now. Which player on the Cowboys?

Jaylen Tober was gaming me asking me for highlights on his Instagram that are probably still up there somewhere if you scroll down far enough. And then how does this lead to how does this lead to an actual business? What's your first real job? So I end up selling the Curry Legion and Durant Legion pages to a company called Wave Sports and Entertainment. in 2018, 2017, around that time. And I slept on the CEO's couch for like a month and I just worked and just like hustled and like tried to prove myself. Because I had dropped out of college at that point. This wasn't in my five-year plan.

I pitched to my dad, unfortunately. But, you know, I saw an opportunity and I took it. But I ended up, you know, working. I was their 11th or 12th full-time employee at Wave, you know, very successful there for five, five, six years. and then they got the New Heights podcast and they're having their success, which is great. Well, you join Wave, which is otherwise known as the company

that put on Travis and Jason Kelsey's podcast, New Heights, and then became this thing that blew up that an army of Taylor Swift fans came to know and love. I would make the argument that I don't know if Travis Kelsey's marriage to Taylor Swift happens if Rainbolt doesn't post continuously. There's a world where if I don't

Stark Curry lesion, but Taylor Swift and Travis Kelsey are not together. Let's just put that out there. It's not far-fetched. When does it happen when you realize I need to leave that job? I remember talking to my manager at the time, same one I have now. I was like, by the way, I'm never quitting my job. Like, I love it here. Like, I'm making great money. I'll never want to quit this job. I'm happy. And then I think I ended up quitting in August. And I started my account. in January. So within the eight-month period, I would say like the inflection point, though, was probably the New York Times article. And then I had the Ludwig collab around that same exact time. And I think those two things kind of like piggybacking off each other kind of like really

catapulted me and like gave me enough confidence that I thought I could take a chance and see what I could do with it. In July 2020, the New York Times covers you. It's about the existence of geogessers. And you mentioned Ludwig, who's another geogessor, competitive internationally known geogessor. My favorite TikToker these days, it's this guy. Have you ever gotten a Snapchat from a girl? No, this is Thailand? Nice. This is Israel?

Nice. Geo Rainbow, the absolute goat. Anyway, I did this little sneaky thing where I followed him, and then, uh-oh, he followed me, and now he follow each other, and I asked him if you wanted to stream with me tonight, and he said, yes. So tonight we are streaming with Gio Rainbolt. His name's Trevor. I'm just going to call him Trevor.

I'm going to call him Gio Rainbolt. It's a crazy name to say. How do you realize that there's a community for this thing that you and your dad kind of started just playing for fun? So I didn't. When I first initially started posting, I was just posting my TikToks as like ways to share my videos with other people and in the community.

And then inherently, GioGessor has like a virality thing to it. It's like everyone can relate to it. It's cool. It's Google Maps. It's like people love Maps, you know? It all just kind of happens super quick. But the whole line, you just very casually said, you know, maps are cool. I don't know if everybody grew up thinking, you know what?

Maps are cool. You know, I didn't grow up thinking maps are cool. People think I'm like some geography wizard. I'm serious. I'm not. If you give me a country that isn't on street view, I am lost. My knowledge is strictly street-view countries. And so I think that's like a common misconception, but I'm not like a map nerd.

Can you describe the feeling, though, of like posting these clips of you guessing stuff and then realizing that the audience was going to be there for this in ways that even Steph Curry and Kevin Durant fans were not? It's weird because I had always been going viral for like years, but it was never for myself. It was always making content under Steph Durant. So it was weird having my face and my name and my likeness attached to it. That was like something that I initially had to be over because I'm like super, like five years ago, I'm like super, super, super like shy. I had no on-camera presence. Like I had no idea what I was doing.

The best way to learn to you, I guesser, was to stream it and then play with other people and like in the community. And they all like give their guests we can talk about together. So that was how that started. And so I never expected, you know, the first video that goes viral you're like, oh, no, wait, what have I done? And then you kind of have to, you get used to it. But I never wanted to be an influencer creator. I never started this as like a goal to make money.

I remember specifically not wanting to and wanting to stop because I didn't want to. But it's cool. It's cool to be like a person that people can look to as like inspiration to like, learn about the world. At least a little bit more inspiring than posting 50 dancing Winnie the Poos. When you keep going back to the Winnie the Poos, we had great engagement.

They were a core to the community. Did you at least listen to the song in the background? It's been stuck in my head this entire interview, actually. Shout to Pitbull. I mean, that could also be a full circle moment, Mr. Worldwide. I was going to say, the universe clearly keeps winking at you. How do you describe the geogessing community? If you've never encountered the people who helped me solve that Bill Belichick thing,

what are these people like? Honestly, they're like me and you. And I'm not just saying that as like me and you specifically because we like finding out things. But just like they're passionate people that have a, you know, different people have different hyperfixations. And we all happen to share a similar one. It could be playing the piano. We just so happen to like finding things on Street View.

People always ask me, when people come up to me, ministry or like you know online they always ask me like so how do you do it like how'd you get good and i always just tell them it's like imagine you spent time trying to get a call of duty it's the same thing i just spent time trying to get a geogessor anything i'm doing isn't like some superhuman ability it's just i put time into it and i think that's like an important thing to know is it's normal okay so hold on because i'm curious how you feel then when you're accused of cheating what are the things that people have accused you of in terms of he's not really doing this. Everything under the sun. I mean, looking at a different monitor, you know, AI. Yeah, someone

else is playing for me. Well, the thing is, it's very easy to cheat on you, yes, sir. It's, like, extremely easy to cheat. Explain, how do you do it? Yeah, let me go ahead and explain to everyone. This is definitely helping my case. No, so in theory, right, the web browser, it's a web browser game. And so if the way most people cheat on Geogessor, if you like play like an online game, is when you press F12, the coordinates have to be in the like code because it's pulling from Google API. So in theory, you can just pull the coordinates and people do that. That's how like most of the people cheat in Geogessor. But I mean, obviously I've done this live and then been to in person events and whatever. So I've, yeah, but it is a very, it's a web.

It's a web-based game. Like, every game that has competitiveness in it has cheaters. But I didn't realize that. So the F-key, I mean, so, with the F-key, the function key on the keyboard, the F-12 key, just, like, pulls up the developer tools, basically. And you get to see in the code. Exactly, yeah. And it pulls the API of the Google.

Yeah, and you can see the code. Yeah, it's its own thing. So when I used to host tournaments, we would always have, like, screen sharing. So we would always prevent people from, you know, we would be able to see their screen. And so when they are recording their gear, like in a tournament, we can see if they're opening up the coordinates or not. The video that convinced me, because I wasn't sure when I first stumbled upon you, but then there's a video you posted that kind of like changed my entire thinking about this.

And for the audio audiences, it'll be very helpful for them to hear and see on our YouTube channel. But it's a video you posted where you're blindfolded. And a guy, one of your friends in this community, Apparently, it's just like reading descriptions of what the grass looks like. This one very, very sandy, very white sand, and we got some dead like shrubs on both sides of the road. Let's go outside Mound in Botswana. Nice. So this one, looking cold, but also very desolate in terms of the landscape.

You can actually get a lot of context of what the location looks like. Visually through another player's comms on when images. And I mentioned it very carefully too, another player, because when another player is describing, they know what's meaningful in the description. Like, if I was asked Pablo, like, hey, describe this for me. He's like, okay, there's a blue sky and a rounder, like, you know. So the first thing that you look for is in any location is the road. Thailand has concrete roads, but like not every country has concrete roads. And it has very distinct pavement that's similar to the Philippines pavement, I would say.

But they also drive left, so that distinguish is the district. difference. You have the road lines, double yellow road lines. You look towards the Tuffin poles. So they have like similar poles to Sri Lanka. I mean, I could talk about poles and, you know, vegetation. And then you have the rubber trees. And if you want to guess more eastern Thailand, you want more red soil. But also, you're just looking at the location. This is like a thing that people, it's hard to comprehend. If you've looked at a location or a country 10,000 times, your brain knows what that country looks like. That's why when people watch my 0.1 second videos, they don't really understand it. But that's because your brain and its pattern recognition can pick up so quickly

because it's seen something so close to that before. You just referenced these videos, which were the thing that made me think at first, like this guy is f***ing with us, because it's fractional, it's decibel points of a second. Probably like something over here. Yeah. It's just clicking in the card catalog of your brain. What I imagine people don't see is you just like walking through Google Maps. When I started traveling after I started posting videos, I've said this to people have laughed at me before, but it's genuinely how I feel.

It feels like you're playing the game in person because you're so familiar with everything and everywhere you go that the world becomes smaller in a way. Then everything becomes so familiar. and I would only travel to places that have official street view coverage because I felt familiar and safer at these places because it was like it's not so scary because I kind of knew what to expect and so it kind of helped me like travel more

so I remember like going to like northern Botswana because like I had seen this town before in Street View that I wanted to see because of the sand that you get in northern Botswana that's like the tall grass on the side of the roads in northern Botswana I wanted to see that in person It sounds crazy, but it was familiar to me, and that's why I wanted to see it. I had not thought about this in those terms, but you're describing an itinerary that you built because of your intimate familiarity with the world as described on Google Street View.

How did you decide that you were going to go and do that? So I had another geyser friend that kind of convinced me. So I had just quit my job in L.A. I was based in L.A. in San Monica for five years. This is 2022. And I was like, there's nothing tie me to L.A. anymore. There's nothing tied me to anywhere anymore. I can work anywhere with the income I'm making online. I mean, still post videos and upload wherever I want. And so I thought, like, if you could do anything, what would you do?

And that kind of is, like, how I felt. And so I had a GigiSor friend in Germany. And he was like, just come to Germany. I was like, okay. So I sold everything and I went to Germany. And then I went to Portugal and then I went to, to, yeah, I just started going. I eventually went to Asia and Australia and then Africa.

But it was like a full 13 months of just traveling, only living out of a suitcase. I had like six t-shirts, pair of jeans, and a jacket, and a portable setup with my laptop. That's great. You know, I imagine that this is an emotional experience to sort of encounter all of the places that you had been basically studying for that long.

It was... One of the most life-changing experiences, because I had never left the U.S. I have seen outside the U.S., but I had never left it. And you can only get so much out of a place through pixels. Like, it only, you can see it, but you can't experience it. And so actually being there, and, like, the way I travel now is I find places on Google Maps and then go there. If I see an inspiration on Street View that I found, like, this is such a cool location. We call them locks.

Like, that's a cool lock. I want to go to that lock. Not that place. I'm going to go to that lock. So it's internal slang there. But yeah, that's how I travel is inspiration through pixels. What's the thing that you underrated when you first started doing this? You're like, oh, wow, the thing that I never really accounted for when I was doing this through pixels was this aspect of travel.

The easiest answer is the people. You know, you see the people, but you don't talk with the people. That's the beauty of traveling, in my opinion, is talking to the people and experiencing the, you know, the relationships and friendships you make with people as you go to these cool locks. I go to them alone, but you don't leave alone, let's say. It's just, you make friends. Have people recognized you as the guy who is the geogessor guy? I get more recognized as the Kyrgyzian guy, but, I'm kidding. Yeah, it's the, are you the Googleman?

Maps guy, you're the guy from TikTok. Yeah, some people think my name is George. Yeah, that's a common one. Why? Because it's a G-O. Oh. I think this is a G-E-O-R. And some people just misread it, so they're like, George.

How's it going? Among, like, the stuff that you have found out, my favorite location that you identified is the location for the LeBron James kid. That did happen. LeBron James. As the foremost operator of a. Steph Curry fan page, you going insanely

viral for identifying the youngest fan of LeBron James is a little ironic. It is very ironic, especially if you look at my post on Cray Legion from 2016, which is not the most. It's like the Austin Reeves. Yeah, I don't know if you remember that.

It's a picture of Kobe like this. It's like when I need some rest, I put my phone to LeBron mode, no rings. I was like, shit. There's one or two things I can do.

I can shut up and hope you don't see it or I could call him over here and be like, look, man. And I was like, Brian, come here. He was like, what's up? He walks over there. I was a Kobe's fan back in the day. I was like, I was shitting on you back in 2012. He just busted out live

and he was like, I don't care about this. This is a random 14-year-old dude in Arkansas. Exactly. And then it happens to be my teammate. I knew Austin Reeves and his brother, Spencer Reeves, back in high school as well, because he grew up in Arkansas, and he played it flipping a lot. So I would always see him play. He was a Kobe guy.

The question that people keep on bringing up when I tell them about you and the people who have seen the episode we did also, they wonder, like, why aren't you like working for, like, I don't know, like the CIA or something? Have people legitimately come to you for help on investigations? Not that I know of. Just me? I'm the only one who was like, hey. Well, you're not the CIA, are you? Well. I can safely disclose that I'm funded by not the CIA.

No. No. I'll stick to my funding the LeBron James kid meme, okay? And Bill Pellashtarine camera. This is taking me all the way around to the realm of actual governmental investigation. and memes. Because the thing that I asked you for, which you were very kind to help me think through,

and I think this is a good and helpful explanation of your process, by the way, was this photo from the Epstein files that we got. And so the Epstein files, people who are not familiar, when they publish this trove of documents, like the Department of Justice does not provide any information, like in captions or anything. It's just a code name on the bottom right.

And so this is the code name E-F-T-A-Z-0-0-0-3434. There's no surrounding information. And all I knew when I sent this to you was that this is a photo of Jeffrey Epstein, and he's in a row of chairs, of white chairs. And he's sitting next to a woman who's sitting next to another woman, and that woman is named Abigail Wexner, and next to her is Les Wexner. And Les Wexner is very well-known now. because of the Epstein files release, especially as the billionaire former CEO Victoria's Secret.

And we've talked about him on the show before. And he's a sort of guy who gave Jeffrey Epstein power of attorney over his finances and helped basically build Jeffrey Epstein's financial empire to the point where now it's an issue, Reholt, that Les Wexner's name is on the Ohio State Football Building. And all these alumni have since demanded that they remove Les Wexner's name. Where's Wexner? Where are you? Show up. It's time. It's time to answer questions. This group made up of former OSU athletes believes the names of Leslie Wexner and Woody Hayes cannot coexist on the same building, and they want Wexter's name gone. Ohio State confirms the Wexner naming rights were paid for with two checks, one from Wexner Charitable Foundation and the other from the COUQ Foundation that was controlled by Jeffrey Epstein, according to federal Texas. tax records. However, OSU says, quote, an independent investigation found the 2007 gift originated from the Wexner Children's Trust and the Leslie Wexner Charitable Fund and not from Jeffrey Epstein.

And so I sent you this photo of them in this row. They're kind of like in an audience. The only geographic reference is really a bunch of trees behind. And I said, can you help us find like where this photo was taken? Like, what is this? And so can you explain how you set out to answer this question. Yes. So you sent this to me and I woke up and I saw it and I was like, this is the best text ever to wake up to a challenge from Pablo. Like amazing. Let me start my day. So when you look at any photo, the first thing that you have to understand is like what's the context of the photo? And you look at everything that you can extrapolate from the image and you kind of just like compartmentalize it. So we could see the photo. We could see that the tire they were wearing.

We could see the setting with the white chairs and the people in the back and what they were wearing. And knowing, you know, Les Wexner and, like, doing very basic research, every single year he would host a event called the New Albany Classic that would bring people in and host, like, a questry in. Yes. It would have, like, different things like horse racing and, like, show running or fair event type stuff. Maybe you have more context on that. But, no, it's sports. We're talking about horses now. We're now back to talking about sports.

This is an equestrian event, it turns out, held every year for like 20 years. The Wexner's hosting a day of family fun at their home, and everyone's invited. It's the New Albany Classic, of course. Next, I talk with Abigail Wexner about how this tradition has turned into a dream come true for some of the riders at this year's competition.

Yeah, it was at his property, or, like, close to his property slash on his property, I guess. And so that was my immediate thought was like, what's the most likely answer? And can we, does it look likely enough? And when you look at the trees in the back and then look at his property for a second, I see that the trees clearly look like similar trees enough to where it's worth investigating further to see if this is actually the one to one location and look at all the photos. To see if there's any type of videos on YouTube that had an angle that would help me confirm it

because through satellite, the image wasn't close enough to confirm it through satellite. So through a David Archiletta performance at the New Albany Classic, there was a chair in the background that looked like the same chairs from the chairs in the Epstein Files location. And so I was like, okay, that's reason enough to continue thinking that this is a most probable location. So then I went to start confirming it more. But just the chair, right? So like the thing about the chair that you noticed is what?

This is the chair that it was a white chair that had the same. same design with the same screw. And so I was like it's, but the thing is you can't confirm a location based off of a chair. Chairs are rented. Like, it could be someone else in Ohio that's renting out these chairs. So you want to actually find the location. So I did a deep dive. I went through some old articles and I found the old domain for the new Albany Classic.com and then put that through the wayback machine. I think through like a 2002 archive gave me a map of the property and like where they would have been sitting. And so then I'd use that map plus another YouTube video

that someone posted in, I think, 2009 that had like a slideshow of different photos from the event that was able to match the tree in the back with the Epstein file photo in Les Wexner's house. But my favorite detail, even beyond the trees, is that you noticed something that I had missed. And so you're already like describing a bunch of stuff that I also try to do when I'm like trying to find stuff out. But your eye is so good because unless Wexner's wrist, you notice something that I did not.

Yeah. So I mean, when I'm looking at the, like I said in the beginning, when you're looking at photo, it's something that it's like a, it's a muscle that you have to train is you look at everything because literally everything is a hint. And so at first I was going through the cup that Epstein was holding because it's like maybe the cup is a hint. And while I was zooming in on the cup, I noticed behind the cup on LES's wrist, there was a wristband that ended in IC. And so if you look at the IC font on the wristband, it also matches to the exact same font that ends the New Albany classic branding that also helps confirm the location.

Right. So it's just another additive. Right. So look, we're not able to say with, you know, full certainty that this is it because I suppose they could have created like a soundstage and like recreated the new Albany classic somewhere. That's still on the board, I guess. Yes. It's not the 100% confirmed. It seems extraordinarily likely that this was in fact, by the way, a Grand Prix equestrian competition that was held every September for 20 years until 2018. And the event, as I was looking into this as well, the event was a fundraiser. It raised money for charity. And the charity was the Center for Family Safety and Healing.

The New Albany Classic was held this weekend with the main attraction being the horse jumping competition. With more than 20,000 people expected, the Center for Family Safety and Healing is glad to be a part of the event. Mrs. Wexner decided to marry the love of horses with her horrible, you know, dislike of this issue of family violence. And she brought the two together and it's been magical. All of which raises follow-up questions for us, by the way,

because one of the things we're trying to do here is further explore Leslie Wexner, the billionaire in the photograph, because he says that he severed ties with Jeffrey Epstein on September 4, 2007. And so we are always trying to triangulate. To what extent is the Jeffrey Epstein story? a sports story and who are the characters in it. And you helped us establish that one of the photos in the files was at what can only be safely described as a sports-related event.

Horses. Horses, man. I've been tagged and people have told me to take a look at the Epstein files and try and geolocate. And I didn't know where to start. Some people are like, why don't you use your powers for good? So I'm at least happy I'm able to Give my thoughts on this location at the new Albany classic to help your piece I think you've just officially just solidified your position as the Pablo Torre finds out Geogessing correspondent

I'm going to change my LinkedIn to that I anything that you have is I always love Getting new challenges that's what I wake up for every day is a What's the challenge of the day? So whatever you got sent it to me Yeah, the five-year business plan is going to be updated for your dad as we maybe figure out a way to take this all back towards Bobby Petrino. You know, maybe not. I'm okay with not taking it back to a guy with a very colorful and personal experience with a road.

That is true. I'm proud to report, though, that your dad is not stopped posting. You posted literally at 1234 a.m. Eastern today. on a different thread. You know, I wish I didn't know that. This has been Pablo Torre finds out. A Metal Arc Media production. And I'll talk to you next time.