Pablo Torre Finds Out - "The Meanest, Most Arrogant, Obnoxious Little Brat I Have Ever Met in My Life"

Episode Date: March 31, 2026

What is a documentary now? Would you turn against your alma mater? Why did a fan throw a beer bottle at Dan Le Batard's head? And is America just Miami? Child star turned muckraker Billy Corben knows. Plus: Night Court, 2 Live Crew, Jughead Jr., corruption, cocaine... and pool boy cucking.Further content:• Watch "The U" and "The U Part 2"• Watch "30 for 30: Broke" on Netflix• Watch "Cocaine Cowboys" on Netflix• Watch "God Forbid" on Hulu• Subscribe to Billy Corben's Rakontur on YouTube• Subscribe to "The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz" Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Welcome to Pablo Torre finds out, presented by eBay Live. I am Pablo Torre, and today we're going to find out what this sound is. Break it down, let's please. And if you listen to our show on Apple Podcasts, you can now watch video there as well. Just update to the latest iOS, and head over to our show page to start watching. But for right now, just a quick word from our sponsors. I was like, all right, I'll see how it goes over. Like a fart in a submarine.

Pablo Billy, I asked Billy if he knows what he's doing and he said he did not know what we were doing today. Did you want to tell him what we're doing or you want to make it a surprise? Yeah, I don't really want to tell him. Okay. I want Billy to feel like how so many of his subjects feel when they sit down across from him

when he does documentaries about them. So you may have noticed that we here at Pablo Torre finds out like to tackle big topics and big characters. Two of the three Emmys that we were just nominated for last week, in fact, we're for our investigations into aspiration and the Clippers, and Riley Gaines and her role in this administration. But as much as I enjoy tackling subjects that the yes men in sports will not touch, I also remain obsessed with little topics and little characters.

Which brings us to one very specific guest star on a seminal television sitcom that has been lodged inside of my brain for more than 35 years now. And if you, like me, grew up watching Nightcourt on NBC, you may remember this tiny little guest star as well. I don't mean to bother you, but would you mind signing my autograph book? Make yourself useful. Get this chrome dome freak of nature away from me. All right, that's it.

Send for the littlest lawyer to meet the big bad bailiff. You are the meanest, most arrogant, obnoxious little brat I have ever met in my life. You only want me around because nobody else can stand you. Well, let me tell you something, I can't stand you either. And you can take your little blackmail tape and do whatever you want with it. I have had enough. You can't talk to Billy like that. Not like that.

Oh, shut up, you overpaid parent. And you don't care about Billy at all. In this episode, in case you're wondering, a child star named Billy, shows up one day to shoot a television show in the same Manhattan Criminal Court where night court takes place. But the more important thing to know here

is that Billy is a tyrannical asshole. All you care about is keeping them happy long enough to do your stupid TV show. And go for all of you. You're an army of yes man. Fairly recently, however, after more than three decades of hating this specific character, a cautionary tale for precocious children everywhere, I found out something

shocking. I found out that the actor who played that child was someone whom I've known, it turns out, for years, which meant that we could call Billy up. I mean, you crushed it. an obnoxious child actor named Billy. It was really typecast. It's rare to see a method child actor. That was the most fun, because there was a show that I watched as a kid, and you could do anything you wanted on that show,

but be mean to bull. That's when the audience would immediately, you know, bull the bailiff. They would immediately turn on you. And so, yes, I just got to take a moment to recognize that after a truly and disturbingly extensive career as a child star, which we will get back to later, Billy Corbyn went on to direct some of the most entertaining documentaries ever,

many of which are devoted to muckraking and accountability journalism in his hometown of Miami and at his alma mater, the University of Miami. Meaning that Billy, Corbyn, is a bit of a kindred spirit to PTFO, and also that he too has continued to inspire various audiences to turn on him. in real life. But I first met Billy Corbyn when he was interviewing me for a 30 for 30 documentary titled Broke back in 2012. And many years before that,

he had also sat down with the other, allegedly unlikable friend of PTFO who's with us here today. Metal Arc founder and former Miami Herald columnist, Dan Lebitard. What was it like to interview Dan? Real easy. It actually was real easy

because Dan, I think, was the last interview on both the U and the U part one. And so we knew exactly what we needed. And so it was just like a hit list of facts and stats and sound bites that we needed. So it was actually a pretty streamlined operation, as I recall. That's my experience with you as well from 2012, was that you do broke,

which was, of course, the first thing I ever was involved with at ESPN when I first got hired there. And you were making this documentary that was rooted in the reporting I had done for Sports Illustrated. And then at the very end of your process, it's like, let's get that guy in. And I sit down and I basically get to spackle over all of the exposition that I think you guys were missing. And I'm so glad I did it. But you just described what you used me for. He's not glad he did it.

He's not proud of that one. I've heard him say before that I loved it. And it's pornography. It's the easiest thing in the world to watch. How dare you? Because now I'm resembling the pornographic content because that story, I mean, that doc, Billy, the impact of broke, how when my athletes go broke, was wildly popular and made waves in sports. Like, everyone started talking to me about that shit. Because in part, you elevated the whole thing that apparently you're deeply not proud of.

No. Dan's not wrong. Your Sports Illustrated article. is really what inspired the documentary broke. And, of course, like, right away, the NFLPA had pushed back on you and your shock horror stats and everything. My first run-in with the NFLPA, yeah, more than, God, a decade ago. I remember the story, and I remember a detail above all others.

I'm not even sure Pablo remembers this detail. Former Twins outfielder Tori Hunter invested in floating furniture in the event of a flood. It seemed like a good idea to me. It really did, especially with climate change. I feel like it's a better idea today. He wasn't wrong. He was just early. So, yes, that's where I met Pablo.

I think when I met him, I was like, we're waiting on your dad to come so we can interview him. He was like, fresh from his bar mitzvah. He was like, look how young he is. I feel like Dan and I are aging and you're, like, getting younger somehow. Oh, no, give him time working for me. I'll make it age faster. I'll make all of it happen faster. The soul dies before the Asian skin does, unfortunately.

So for people who don't know Billy Corbyn, I mean, you're one of the great sports documentarians of our era. What a sad era it's become. We can get to that. Why just sports, though? Sports stocks are dead. I'd say he's one of the great documentarians, period. I wouldn't put the sports qualifying on it.

Thirteen drugs and sports. Yeah. And the best cocaine documentary there is. That is first line of the obituary. The greatest cocaine. chronicler of our time, Billy Corbyn. Who never did cocaine? I'm immediately finding out that Billy Corbin has never done cocaine.

The stolen valor, the stolen valor of the work you've done. Oh, this guy is stolen valor is this guy has culturally appropriated every Miami thing that there is. Just the entire city of Miami, all of the Hispanic, all of the Hispanic, all of it. My regatone career. All of it. I just, now more than ever, people won songs about petrol and gasoline. So it's really taking off.

Gasolina. So cocaine cowboys, the franchise, that's Billy, as well as the U and the sequel to the U, the U part two, screwball, broke aforementioned, Square Gruper, which is about weed, bales of weed, not cocaine, and then 537 votes. These are just some of the things on your list, but we'll get to, like, the documentary stuff. I want to establish your origin story because there was a world in which Billy Corbin is child actor

and does get addicted to cocaine, incidentally. It's statistically seemingly very difficult to not do that because child actor is almost like this concept. Did you enjoy that? Oh, I loved it, yeah, because in Miami in the 80s, it was a ton of really cool shit happening in the world of television and movies

and commercials. And so we had a friend, from the neighborhood who I saw her on a riding a bicycle in a Sears commercial. And I thought that was the coolest thing I'd ever seen. I think I was six years old. And I said, I want to do that. So that's what, that became my, like, after-school activity was going out on auditions. And I just wound up doing a national commercial for cereal or sandwich meats or toys or

department stores. With dreams of what, though, because when he mentions the cocaine addiction of a child actor, I think immediately of Drew Barrymore being in rehab at 13. Well, my, it was funny. my mom refused to participate in this hobby of mine because she read like Shirley Temple's autobiography and specifically I remember Drew Barrymore. I can picture the paperback like on our coffee table and she's like this is a terrible business.

At eight they're drinking coffee at nine they're smoking pot. By 10 they're doing cocaine and she was totally against it for a while until I booked a movie called Parenthood with Steve Martin and Mary Steenberg and Joaquin Phoenix and I mean everybody was in that movie. Diane Weiss was nominated for an Oscar, I think. Rick Moranis was in it, which was cool for me. Keanu Reeves, and we had to go to Orlando. So then my mom, my dad had to work.

It wasn't just like an after-school thing. It was an overnight thing. So my mom had to go to Orlando with me, and that's how she became, she would hate this term, my stage mom. And that's what kept me like on the straight and narrow. But with dreams of what, though? What were you trying to become?

There wasn't a career path. I started to become very successful at it, but it still didn't. It was really on parenthood. I think watching Ron Howard. His whole family was on set. They all had cameos. His daughter had a cameo.

His wife had a cameo's dad. His brothers in all of his movies. I watched him on Andy Griffith. And I watched him on Happy Days. And then I watched him control this whole giant universal pictures operation. And I was like, oh, that's the goal. Like when you grow up and you grow out of acting, you become the director and the producer. So that probably was the moment I thought, oh, if there's a trajectory or potential of this year, that would be it.

It's very funny to imagine that that's your trajectory, your imagined dream trajectory, because when I've been grinding the game film of your career and again, like reliving how great the U and the U part two were, and we'll get to the sports stuff in a second, I am realizing you go from villainous little kid, little lawyer on night court, to a scene in the city of Miami in which your trajectory seems like it brought you back kind of to the same point. place. Frequent city hall critic filmmaker Billy Corbyn came to the meeting to speak in favor of firing the city attorney, Victoria Mendez, who was accused in a lawsuit of real estate fraud. The city is drowning in a sea of scandals. The reason why people like you get to bully me every day and I don't lose sleep over you is because you are a vile little man. Are you a vile little man or not?

I wear that badge proudly. I mean, you're basically the same exact character decades apart. Or she certainly sounds like the same character as Roz the bailiff on Nightcourt. You are the meanest, most arrogant, obnoxious little brat I have ever met in my life. Oh, my God. I didn't remember my answer to that question. I was waiting with baited breath. I was like, are you a little man?

Pablo, he has done so much of this in protection and vigorous protection of nobility and decency and Miami. It's the thing I admire most about him. It's wonderful of a filmmaker as he is, the fact that he'll stand outside of City Hall and wait for the mayor to park in his spot so the mayor just knows that he's always watching. He loses a lot of these fights,

but he's always willing to fight them. Well, you don't fight the fights. You can win. You fight the fights that are worth fighting. Well, one of the concepts that I do think brings you guys together here is what does it mean to be likable and what does it mean to love something so much that you become regarded as an enemy of it?

That is something I see in both of your careers and both of your trajectories. And I do think starting with a conversation about the you is interesting, not just because it's the sports stuff, but like, Billy, we're living in this era in which the documentary is authorized. That's the kind that people want.

Give us your IP. Yeah, there's no such thing as a documentary anymore. Yeah, that's not a... It's a thing, but it's not a documentary. You can call it trading access for the dilution of truth. Sure. I think that's accurate. Well, and look, there are ways to do it in which you can make an entertaining product. But as always on this show, we're kind of obsessed with vocabulary.

Like, what gets to be a documentary? What should that even mean as a definition? And for those who don't remember the making of the you, which involves, of course, University of Miami, their players. The Miami squad made noise the moment it reached Phoenix. Somebody came up to me and said, hey, the players just got off the plane. They all had fatigue zone. Oh, my goodness.

Did that start an uproar? All week long, the players kept comparing this game to war. This game is going to be a war, and we're going to be ready for it. Could you explain what permission you got before you made what was at the time the highest rated 30 for 30, the highest rated documentary that ESPN had? We approached them not for permission to make the documentary or any authorization. but there were a couple people at the time that were still employed by the university

who we wanted to interview because it was about the team from decades prior and we wanted to get some footage in the Orange Bowl which they did allow us to do and then a weird thing happened. We were in the office of the... Sports information director. Yeah.

Which, you know, just sort of internal propagandist and who really had since so much of sports, local sports journalism, when you're a beat reporter covering a team is access journalism. He really had the run of the town and the local media. But he said this to us. You know, if I were you, I would rethink doing this whole project. And I remember Alford and I look at each other going like,

well, that ship sailed. You know, we went to ESPN. We pitched this project. We have, like, we're doing this project. It's really just a question of who we're going to get to interview and whether your perspective will be a part of it or not. And I realize in talking to other sports reporters that this was his line.

When they were interested in doing a particular story and they would approach this guy, he would give him that, you know, if I were you, I'd reconsider maybe doing this story. And they were not just saying no, but they were proactively pushing back. When I went to Arizona to interview, Dennis Erickson, he said to me after the interview, he's like,

well, I thought that went pretty well. I don't know what the university's so upset about. And I was like, what do you mean? He's like, yeah, you know, UM called him. Okay, they have no control over him anymore. He hasn't worked for them for decades. They called him and said, hey, if you get a call from these guys making a documentary for ESPN, don't do the interview. Now, to the credit of these former players and former employees, they didn't listen to the administration when they went there, you know, when they worked there.

So they didn't listen this time. But it was weird having your own university working so hard against you. Then when it came out, that actually, that actually. drove a lot of interest in it because no one wants to see the authorized documentary. They want to see the documentary UM doesn't want you to see. Right. And telling the story that people don't want you to tell, that's my kink, right? That's like the thing I'm into. And Dan, a fellow alum, you have your own experience with this university. And I want to use the University of Miami as kind of a stand-in for like what it's like to actually cover an institution. That's going to get mad at you because the best

story available is not the one that they even recognize. Billy did a love letter, and it's the James Baldwin line of America, love it enough to criticize it. I love that school. I love my relationship with that program. That school is responsible for almost everything that I became in my career. I'm talking about all the teachings up to and including the University of Miami football team of the late 80s and early 90s taught me about race relations and a different side of Miami

that isn't where I grew up. And so, yeah, I've got a ton of stories like Billy Wood, I imagine, that are complicated love letters that include at one point because I was writing articles that ended up with Sports Illustrated. Sports Illustrated called for the death of the program. I got a beer bottle thrown across a bar that hit me in the chin. And one of my friends who was like a week from graduating from medical school had a kit of stuff and just stitched me up in the parking lot.

I didn't even go to the hospital like 2 o'clock. in the morning because people were really mad at me about the stuff that was happening. That was another thing I learned, like the insanity of fandom I had broken across my chin because I was learning one thing that I thought was important and real and the truth. And people viewed it obviously as a betrayal of the program because they imagined me, I guess, in a cheerleader skirt. Sorry to do that to everybody. That is a beer bottle across our eyes.

You did porn earlier. You did, we had you in porn earlier. This is a lower rating. The graphic nature of Dan's journalism, Billy, for people who don't remember what Dan was dredging up, what warranted beer bottles being thrown by maniacs? Dan was very well-sourced being conveniently located on the campus. I don't know if it was about the bounties. It is about the bounties.

For the people who don't know the story, Luther Campbell, the head of two live crew, who took his lyrics to the Supreme Court and won a Freedom of Speech Case was, before Snoop Dog was on the USC sideline, he was somebody who was a fixture in Miami associated with this program, helping the kids in a number of different ways. And the stories around this program

were all crazy, wonderful terrain. But while Luther Campbell, hold on, I'm going to get there, let me just get to the punchline. You guys were tempted to yada yada over. Yeah, the founder of Two Live crew was like, no, we got to explain. this. Luther Campbell, President of Luke Records and member of the group 2 Live crew, how did it come

about that your party to a case before the Supreme Court? I really don't know. And what happened is they heard pretty woman on there and called up Aker of Rose and incorporated and then they started to sue. Can you play a little bit of both the original version and then I'll see your version? Let's do Roy first. Let's do Roy first. Let's do a lot first.

Let's do a lot. You want to hear yours. You want to hear our first. Okay, ladies and gentlemen, coming in from stage, right? Yeah, I think ours better, too. That's him. But it keeps getting better.

So, the founder of Two Live Crew is putting out bounties on the Notre Dame quarterback, Tony Rice, and Tim Brown, the Heisman Trophy candidate, uh, bounties that are collected from former, players who are in the NFL.

If you hurt these guys, you can collect the bounty, and the bounty was being held by. The team priest! Father Leo. The team priest was holding the bounty. Like, how? Well, who could you trust with all that cash, Dan? Who can get mad at me reporting that?

That's wonderfully rich detail that anybody would want. So, Dan got a bottle to the face. Yeah. Cost of business. Worth it. worth it. So when you encounter pushback, I feel like in this industry, there are two responses. One is, I don't want to get a bottle thrown at me again.

I don't want to be threatened with litigation. I don't want these institutions to marshal all of their assorted forces against me. And therefore, I'm not going to do this. And then there are you guys. Why? Nobody wants to be sued. Nobody wants to be threatened. nobody wants to have a bottle thrown at them. Nobody wants someone to not take your call when you're calling to talk to them or reach them.

At the same time, if those things aren't happening, I'm not sure I'm doing anything right. Because that would mean that I am pulling punches. That would mean that I'm not telling the truth or being candid. I don't want to hurt people's feelings or their careers per se. But what I find more often than not is that you get blamed, the messenger gets blamed, rather than the person who's perpetuating some kind of wrongdoing. And it just strikes me innately that that is just what you're supposed to do with power or with a platform. That's the noble part of it, right?

In my particular case, and it's a little bit selfish, I'm just chasing interesting. What's interesting, and not necessarily to me, what's interesting to others? He does this as well. And I'm also interested by injustices, and I'd like to rectify injustice. is, but the starting point is a curiosity on what are the stories that I can tell? The name of his company is Rock and Tour. It's storytelling. And what are the stories that I can tell to move people in a way that's entertaining and

interesting and perhaps also has the added benefit of passing his activism? My first documentary, Raw Dealer Question of Consent, which nobody has seen, but made us the youngest filmmakers in the history of the Sundance Film Festival at the time. The only ones from South Florida. At that time, this was in 2001. and it was about the alleged sexual assault of an exotic dancer at a fraternity house

at the University of Florida. And we moved up there to make this documentary on a leave of absence from the University of Miami and this is, people ask, like, when did you get political?

Or when it was like, political? Like, we've always been political. Everything is politics and everything we've ever done is politics. And in this first doc, there was a state attorney

of Alachua County by the name of Rod Smith. He later became a state senator. And he would not give me an interview about this case. It was a very high profile, controversial case. And he was a very high profile, controversial case.

And he was, wouldn't give me an interview. And I felt a little self-righteous about it, age 21. I thought, like, well, this guy is a public servant. He has an obligation to engage the press and engage the public and explain some of the more complicated decisions in high-profile cases in particular. And he would, so we sat outside his office. And one day, he walked outside, and I walked up to him with a camera and with a microphone. Mr. Smith, we have a few questions about the Delta Chi case. You commented on a lot of closed cases. Why can't you comment on this closed case, sir? Why this one before the end?

Mr. Ma'am, why can we get a written declination for an interview from your office? Mr. Mann? Mr. Mann, why can we get a written declination from your office? So I just walked behind him, talking to the back of his head, asking him questions, one after the other, after the other. But that was day one for me. That was Project one for me, was to try to punch up, speak truth to power and get answers from people who I think we're entitled to answers from. My first indoctrination into all of this was covering for $15 an article city council meetings about sewage. And knowing that that's not what I wanted to do, but that crawling through the sewage, not unlike Shawshank, would finally get me to some of the places that were beyond my dreams because I wasn't imagining any of this.

I wasn't doing it to be political, to be activist, to be any of that stuff. And obviously, I gravitated over to the playpen and the nonsense. I think I should make this confession, in case it's not clear, and I don't know that I've ever said it out loud before, but in that moment on Raw Deal, walking around, call it chasing or demanding answers from that state attorney, I liked it. There was an adrenaline kick out of that for me,

punching up and it just, it felt right and it felt good. And maybe that's why I haven't done cocaine, is that I found a different high, I guess. Your cocaine was talking about cocaine. And demanding answers from people who we deserve answers from who refuse to give them. So when people call and don't take my call, is there kind of a little bit of a thrill that, like, oh, they're scared of me? Maybe. Maybe that's something that I now enjoy a bit.

I'm glad we started with the whole, like, you know, the cocaine and the popcorn stuff, because I think the whole mission statement, though, is to show that you could do accountability journalism, but it's also fun, right? Like, you don't want to feel like you're being guilted. You want to feel like, oh, my God, I'm enjoying this in ways that I didn't really anticipate. And sports to me, Dan, that was like, you know, Trojan horses may be too conniving, a metaphor, but that's always the power of sports to me.

And that's why all these things seem to unite. I don't know if Billy still has the most viewed documentary in the history of Hulu, but chasing down Falwell's kid to reveal that he enjoyed pool boy cucking. You got to tell this story. I mean, I just did. Didn't I just tell it? Now you've got an episode title, Pablo. Pool boy cucking.

As a pool attendant, I would get hit on. But if I would have known that accepting this woman's invitation to go back to her hotel room would have led to a scandal involving the president of the largest Christian university in the world, and the president of the United States, I would have walked away and just enjoyed my private life. I want to use the character of Giancarlo Grande, and the Jerry Falwell Jr. story as a way in, because on some level, it's like, oh, yeah, of course,

it's a Miami Hotel Pool Boy who becomes the character in the cucking of the... I mean, please explain Jerry Fawwell Jr. to people who don't know... I feel like you've done it with simply the word cuck. I feel like that's done it. You can use more words. Billy can use more words when only one will suffice, but... We're talking about in Jerry Falwell Jr., not merely the son of any priest,

as priests are recurring now in this episode as well, but one of the number one religious figures in America, who continues to be this shadow over like the whole movement around conservatism. Let me say a word to you who are struggling with debt right now. a bad attitude about money got you in debt. Whenever I'm counseling a couple who's having financial difficulties, I'll say, give me your budget now. What's your income?

How much you're spending? Where are you putting it? And if I don't see tithes and offerings at the top, oh, so there's your problem right there. You're robbing from God. We can't afford right now, Pastor. No, no, you can't afford not to. If you need a miracle, you better put the miracle working God in your budget.

So we made this documentary called God forbid, the sex scandal that brought down a dynasty, which I wanted to call cuckled cowboys, but Hulu wouldn't let me. And Disney was like, no, we don't think so. But the story was breaking literally under our feet. Our office is on South Beach.

A lot of this story has to do with a piece of property on Alton Road, like blocks from our office, with an Italian restaurant and liquor store downstairs and a youth hostel upstairs. that was a real estate investment that Jerry Falwell Jr. who and his wife Becky Falwell, these are the president and first lady of Liberty University in Lynchburg, Virginia, the largest evangelical Christian college,

I think in the world started by, of course, Jerry Falwell Sr., who was an evangelical pastor, one of the first of the televangelists and a major mover and shaker in the movement to bring, Christian nationalism into the political fold and the 50-year project, really, to overturn Roe v. Wade. That was sort of the macro of it. The micro of it is that he liked to watch his wife get stooped by a pool boy from the Fountain Blue Hotel while he sat in the, you know, in the cuck chair in the corner. This, I realized at the time, you know, every accusation is a confession.

We've learned that on social media and we've learned that in the modern political age. and I realized like the word cuck really became like this sort of conservative insult on social media. That's the first time I remember being aware of it. And I had to Google it the first time. I think like, well, how does, how do you know what it is? You know, maybe you're much more familiar with this gink

to borrow a term than I am. And it turns out every accusation is a confession. Here's this like conservative leader. And he is, in fact, if you believe Jean-Carlo Grande's story, and he had quite a lot of corroboration, an actual real-life, honest-to-goodness, cuck. Dan is so clearly numb to how insane Miami is. Like, if the theory of all of this larger metal art project is,

surprise, America is Miami now, why is Miami this way? Why is it always the thing that draws all of these exaggerated cartoon characters that are corrupt and scandalous and absurd. Billy would be better at answering this question because he's been great at answering this question for a long time when he says that Miami is 20 years ahead of the rest of America,

that today's Miami you'll see soon enough, 20 years from now in America. But when I was growing up in this town in the pages of the Miami Herald with some of the best columnists that there were, the reason that they loved writing about this city is because you'd go to page five, D of the local section.

And there's a story in homestead of a neighborhood crime watch meeting being interrupted while the sheriff is talking because a giant bail of marijuana is falling out of the sky into the pool because a Coast Guard plane is chasing somebody who's dumping drugs.

We're not a normal place. He and I have not grown up in a normal place. When I go all over the United States, there's nothing quite like this place. It's awful and it's why. It's just rich with absurdities. Look, all of Florida is a bunch of spring break towns. Hours passes as an international city just because it's covered in drug money. And it's the only reason that Miami gets to be gateway to Latin America. It's drug money and a bunch of different cultures in what is just an otherwise spring break type town, not unlike Daytona, not unlike any of these other places, except that this is where the money and the drugs came through. They say the great thing about Miami is it's so close to the United States. I would argue that the great thing about Miami is it's so close to the planet Earth.

And the fascinating thing about Miami is not only is it a target-rich environment, it's also the Miami of today is the America of Tomorrow, as Dan was saying. And if you want to know what challenges will face or calamities will befall us as a nation in the years or decades to come, you look at what's happening in the state of Florida or more specifically South Florida. The work he does for free to tackle people who should be doing a, better job needs to be supported. It needs to be supported even if there's a cost. It needs to be supported, especially because there's a cost, because fewer people will do it when there's a cost.

I have watched so much of Billy's work, and I've watched so much of his Hollywood Uvra. And of course, I'm referring to the seminal NBC television movie called Archie to Riverdale and Backs again. How are you? Say hello to your uncle Archie. He's not my uncle. Oh, that's okay. Just call me Archie.

Super dumb name. Yeah, maybe. But it's not half as dumb as Jughead Jr. You call me that again. Something really bad will happen. I do not know if it's the writing that's worse or the acting. Somehow they got the Archie Comics IP, and they were like, we need Archie.

And we need Jughead, but wait for it, Jughead has a son who sucks. They're going to their 15-year high school reunion. It's like nobody wants to see Archie in those characters like that. Talk about a squandered IP opportunity there. Totally. It's so bad.

I did not think that we would start with broke and then you'd find something that he was more embarrassed by. It gets even worse in that movie than that clip. I mean, it's pure culture vulturing in that movie. But it reminded me, oh, no, oh, no, you're not going to show that clip?

I mean, you think he's got everything on you? You think he's... What clip do you think he's... No, no, no, no. Never mind. Wait a minute. You didn't realize that Jughead Jr. loves rap. No, fuck.

Oh, honey, honey. You are my candy girl. And you got me. Oh, honey, honey. You are my candy girl. And you got me rocked you. When I kissed you girl Never knew how sweet a kiss could be

Then you laid your ever-loving stuff on me Break it down for me fella I'm gonna make your life so sweet Rocking and moving shaking and stuff I'm gonna rock your world complete Rock it, moving, moving, Say what? Pour a little sugar on it

Oh honey honey You are my candy girl And you got me rocking you Break it down, won't you Sugar Honey, honey. You are McCandy, girl. And you got me rocking you.

Break it down. Come on. And you got me. And you got me. And you got me. Break it down, won't you please? No. Is that, uh...

It was Team Mergat. Yo, give me five, my man. You're a fish, yeah. Oh, you were styling, too, my man. Oh, did you see that move I busted? I was grooving. I can't be seen with Billy anymore. I mean, Luther Campbell should have put a bounty on you

for what you did to wrap. It would be better if I had been abused. At least I'd have an excuse. I just like, I, Dan, that was like, that, Dan's face, it was like one of those, it was like one of those two girls one cup reaction videos. It really, it was. I know, Billy. I want to hear you explain that, Pablo, because I know you don't let us drop any pop culture

references without explaining it to your audience, what two girls one cup is. What you just heard there was Jughead and Jughead Jr. rapping to great applause. And when I tell you that it's. worse than the video of two girls eating shit out of a cup. I am not journalistically exaggerating. Thank you for joining us. This has been Pablo Torre finds out a Metal Arc Media production. And I'll talk to you next time.