Pablo Torre Finds Out - The Silent Superstar and the Rotten Apple Tree

Episode Date: September 3, 2025

Pablo digs up a clue — buried in a promise to save the planet — and unearths a scandal: Did the wealthiest sports owner on Earth secretly sweeten the pot for the most private star in professional basketball? And what do Iron Man, Martin Luther King and Bill Clinton have to do with all of this? Former front-office executives Amin Elhassan and David Samson help us comb through more than 3,000 pages of exclusive documents... and discover links to the NBA's cardinal sin.• Subscribe to PTFO on YouTube:https://www.youtube.com/@PabloTorreFindsOut• Subscribe to Pablo's newsletter for exclusive access, documents and invites:https://www.pablo.show/ Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Welcome to Pablo Torre finds out. I am Pablo Torre, and today we're going to find out what this sound is. I mean, he's got the dream. Like, it's within my beliefs to be paid $28 million and do absolutely $5.4 as well. Right after this ad. How many trees died for this episode to happen? So this is an extremely relevant question that Amin has just raised. These are two stacks of paper sitting in front of us.

The grand total is 3,487 pages. Oh, I thought you got to say trees. But with your help, David Sampson, former president of the Miami Marlins, and the help of Amin Al Hassan, former basketball operations executive with the Phoenix Suns, we will both increase our collective expertise about the subject matter we're about to dive into, as well as, yes, the carbon footprint of this episode. So, uh, I feel nervous. You both have packets of paper in front of you as well.

Do not turn those over yet. This is a very carefully orchestrated thing we're trying to do. And it involves, by the way, one of the six richest people in the world, a cardinal sin of sports, an unsolved mystery as well that I've been investigating for seven months. Sixth highest in the U.S. or in the world?

In the world. What this episode needs is to begin with a couple of libs. What neither of you is, though, are the libs in question, because these two lives I'm talking about are two actual, very prominent members

of the Democratic... party named Andre Cherney and Joe Sandberg. These are two Harvard graduates. Harvard. Crappy school. Who successfully raised hundreds of millions of dollars with the help of some of the most famous people in the entire world. Because Andre and Joe co-founded a company that they named Aspiration.

What should we aspire to? What will happen to all we've been? First things first. Go see what you're fighting for. Make a commitment to do your part. Give business to companies that have a plan for the planet our children will inherit. And back to that original question, what should we aspire to? Ultimately, zero.

You familiar with that man's work? Now I am. You recognize him? Yeah, that's, you know, that's Robert Downey Jr., man. Was that the voice of Iron Man? The voice and the guy. So actual Robert Downey Jr. So what we've just established.

Five minutes of the episode is how much they spent on getting Robert Downey Jr. to voiceover and be in the commercial was a waste of money because David Samson's like, who's that? David Sampton, who watches movies every day of his life. Did not realize that, yes, in 2021, Robert Downey Jr. was urging everybody to aspire to a carbon footprint of zero. But it wasn't just Iron Man, David. Andre and Joe, Andre Charney and Joe Sandberg, basically assembled the celebrity. Abruity Avengers of climate change to endorse aspiration. Leonardo DiCaprio became an investor and advisory board member. May have heard of his work.

I have. Drake invested and gave a statement to the likes of Rolling Stone saying, quote, Aspirations approach to climate change is really inspiring. Orlando Bloom, Cindy Crawford? That's a good one. They found her. Cindy Crawford's even more famous daughter? Yeah, that's wild.

High River? Yeah. in there, I mean, even the former coach of the Los Angeles Clippers, Doc Rivers, invest it. I feel like it's one of those episodes which of these don't belong, like Sesame Street? What's Doc Rivers doing in there? Let me tell you something about Doc Rivers. That guy's a schmoozer. He knows how to schmoozer the best of them. What would it sound like a mean if Doc Rivers was doing an ad for aspiration? Hey, I mean, look, we all want like a zero carbon footprint. I tell all the guys all the time, we got to reduce.

Blake. It's not Blake's fault. The carbon footprint is not Blake's fault. And scene. Aspiration wound up raising a total of $865 million. No way. It was evaluated as, quote, a green bank at $2.3 billion in 2021 with the goal of going public. Okay, I'm going to raise my hand. I know you're building very meticulously, but I'm going to jump the line and ask the question.

What the hell do they actually do? Dude, that's cool. I want to save the world. What do they actually do? What are these people investing in? I mean, it's such a good question, a question that they started to answer on various billboards all across America. Because their slogan, if you ever saw one of these, was this. Clean rich is the new filthy rich.

Sorry, I don't mean to laugh at our environment. But this, I can't tell if this is a joke or not. Oh, the concept of investing with a conscience, David. This was super popular in 2020, 2021, as you may recall, the climate change movement, Donald Trump's first administration, it ending. These companies started embracing the environment, and companies want to be known as the good guys. This is a company of good guys. And Amin asked the relevant question, so what do the good guys here purport to do?

Well, their business was kind of simple. For example, let's say, purely hypothetically, that you had 3,487 pages of documents, give a take. And that added up to a single tree. Aspiration, what they did was offered to balance that out by arranging the planting of one tree in your name, replacing the tree that you killed. And here, Amin, so old.

Here Amid is what Asperations co-founders noted Harvard graduates, Andre Charny and Joe Sandberg understood that trees, it turns out, are made of what element? Carbon? Carbon. What that means that you could plant trees to zero out, not just 3,487 pages of documents,

but pretty much any kind of carbon emission you wanted to offset. And it turns out, lots of shit amidst carbon. Drake's private jet activity. Plant some trees. Major League Baseball Stadium operations. guess what? The Boston Red Sox and Fenway Park have partnered with financial firm Aspiration

to become the first carbon neutral team in the MLB. A portion of every Red Sox ticket will be contributed to the Aspiration Planet Protection Fund, which will use carbon credits to offset Fenway emissions. Aspiration is really in the business of helping both people and businesses fight the climate crisis. It's Andre himself on Bloomberg TV in 2022. David and I want to give a quote to you specifically from MLB.com, which you'll appreciate, since you're literally the guy who built Marlins Park and sold the sponsorships for the team. Quote, for the first time in its history, the Red Sox have a fixed a sponsor name on the grass at Fenway Park.

Through a partnership with aspiration, their name will now be featured near the fungo circles on the grass between the warning track and the infield. End quote. I have a tear in my eye, because it's such horse hockey. we were a lead certified ballpark and all it means is you have to do things way more expensively. Gold, silver? We were the first ever retractable roof

gold facility. Wow. It was really impressive. We got to do a press conference. I didn't know this. That's pretty good. We got to do everything. For a stadium to be lead gold is, that's...

It was just a budget item. We just had to pay instruction, basically. You have to do it in a way that gets you the certification or with them at all times while you're killing trees and while you're emitting... So you're just paying? That's all it takes? That's all it is.

I thought it was going to tell me, oh, yeah, the roof is made out of a special material that actually generate. Don't be ridiculous. I should clarify that things have gotten a lot more elaborate since then, because what aspiration kind of figured out was they don't even need to do the planting of the trees themselves. Outsource it? What they did, I mean, to use a proper term, they brokered these sales of carbon credits. They were a brokerage for trees, which they also did, by the way, for Mark Zuckerberg and Mehta, which also bought millions of carbon credits, meaning paid for the brokering of the planting of all of these trees. And brokering, you may ask yourself, what kind of a margin is this?

Yeah, what was headed with this? On the brokering business, typically, it costs about 10 to 20 cents to plant a tree. Okay. Aspiration was charging the Red Sox and Mehta and drugs. Drake a dollar. That's nice. That's nice work if you get it. A little 5X?

Yeah. Five to 10X, depending. You had made hello. But as for how Andre and Joe got the Red Sox and Meta and Iron Man and Drake and Leonardo DiCaprio and also, it's not a joke, Bill and Hillary and the Clinton Foundation to care about meeting, not some gold lead certified, blah, blah, blah, blah, but what they trademarked as the aspiration standard, T.E. This is where I should note that Andre Charny and Joe Sandberg were more than just members of the Democratic Party. Andre and Joe aspired to be major leaders of the Democratic Party. I mean, you live in Phoenix. I do.

You may vaguely recall Andre Charny as the former chair of the Arizona Democratic Party. Also, what a time. The youngest White House speechwriter in United States history, whose former boss personally endorsed him in a run for United States. States Congress. Hello, this is President Bill Klan. I'm calling to ask you to join me in supporting Andre attorney for Congress.

I've known Andre, since he worked for me in the White House to improve education and create new jobs. He's innovative, he's creative. So I trust him to get our economy going, and you should too. I should note that Andre lost that congressional race in 2012.

He then co-founded aspiration the year after in 2013 with his friend, Joe Sandberg. The two of them had met at a Harvard networking event in D.C. Of course. Way back in 97. And I know this, unfortunately, because I read a whole story about this on the Harvard alumni website. And as of 2019, Joe Sandberg had gotten rich. He'd done private equity at Blackstone, was a founding investor in Blue Apron, the meal delivery company. He was even the subject of a splashy headline in the LA Times. Quote, he made millions as an L.A. investor. Now he may run for president to fight poverty.

And now please welcome the co-founder of Aspiration.com and one of the nation's most effective champions of low-income families, multiplying good board member Joseph Sandberg. 51 years ago, Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. gave a speech of his that's my personal favorite. It's a less well-heralded speech, but I think it's arguably one of the most incisive. It's called the Unfulfilled Dream speech. It's not that one that you guys are thinking. It was another one. It was a different dream.

I find myself to be listening to the B-side of most of the Martin Luther King albums that I have. That's where the real stuff was. You know, if you're a casual, I guess. It's just you. But as of March 2025, okay? Now, at this year to six months ago, there was another headline. This one happened to be from the Department of Justice.

And it was written by the U.S. Attorney's Office for the Central District of California. Quote, Joseph Sandberg, co-founder of aspiration partners, arrested for conspiring to defraud an investment fund of at least $145 million. Oh, God. That isn't even what Pablo Torre finds out is here to investigate. because what really happened that brought us to this table is that weeks after Joe Sanber got arrested, Aspiration filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy. What I wanted to do was find aspirations bankruptcy filing, and I got to now reach over to this file over here to get this. Is this it? Yes, this is it.

In this packet, there is a clue, and this clue was initially quite strange to me as just a sports. journalist. But I believe that this clue may be of new interest to the DOJ and the FBI as well, by the way, as the Commodity Futures Trading Commission and the Securities and Exchange Commission, all of whom have been investigating aspiration in parallel to me. Because for all of the very famous Celebrity Avengers who got paid by these politically ambitious bros to sell their genius billion-dollar company to the world, the guy who got aspirations, most important and most revealing endorsement deal by far has never been identified by anyone in public until now.

And what would you like people to know about you? I'm a fun guy. Obviously, I love the game of basketball. I mean, it's just more a question you have to ask me in order for me to tell you about myself. I just can't give you a whole spill. I don't even know where you're sitting at. Wait, you're telling me, of all the rich and famous people they paid to be part of this,

to legitimize this, right? Iron Man, the guy from the Revenant, right? All these people, the guy from the Grassy High, why is the, that's the apex? That is the highest paid. Celebrity endorser of this? He was an investor or he was actually a receiver of money. Kauai Leonard received money.

And in these piles of documents right on this table are the receipts. So I need your help here, guys, because for anybody who is somehow not familiar with the unique laughter of Kauai Leonard, the NBA superstar and franchise player for Los Angeles Clippers, it does feel important to establish what makes him, him, right? Like what distinguishes him, I mean,

from Drake and Iron Man and all of those Celebrity Avengers that you referenced. Oh, he's the worst personality ever. Like, in terms of you want someone outgoing and can sell something and be very vivacious and inspire a good positive energy,

that's not who he is. He's a very quiet, reserved guy. He doesn't really tend to go to the spotlight. Most of his commercials, he doesn't have a speaking role in. The more that I hear Amin say, quiet and talking about Kauai, I'm like, his name is basically the adjective.

He's super private. He is not an in-demand pitchman for the reasons Amin said. But he is also, in fairness, like, maybe the best player in the league if he's healthy. He's a two-time champion, two-time finals MVP, with the Spurs and the Raptors, all of that is true. But his privacy, I just want to drive this point home because he is so intensely reclusive

that it was kind of a big deal when Kauai agreed to be guest on Jimmy Kimmel's show. This was a couple years back. How's how you going? Thank you. Thank you. I'm so glad to get a chance to talk to you because you are a mysterious man. Do you feel like you are a mysterious man? No, not at all. I don't. You know, the people around me know who I am. You don't look at yourself in the mirror and go, who is this person whose teeth I am brushing right now? Not at all, not at all. I know who I am.

We get so little access to him that one of the most famous his stories about Kauai Leonard. This is a story about one of his catchphrases, went very viral, even though it was completely fake. It's one of my favorite stories of all time. Apple time, Apple Time? Apple Time?

Apple time. You were at a team dinner with the Spurs when you played for the Spurs. Everyone was eating. You didn't order anything. Instead, you brought 12 apples to the table, red apples. You sat there with a knife and fork and ate each apple

and said, it's Apple Time. Apple time. Who came up with that story right now? That is not true? I must have seen... No. Okay. No, not at all.

I do have an apple tree, but I didn't pick my apples and bring them to dinner. All right. All right. You know what was great about that fake story? Yes. Is that... I love it. It wasn't like, uh, Quy Leonard went out on a bender.

Like, no one would believe that. But the fact that the story is so ridiculous and yet everyone was like, yeah, I could actually see Quy Leonard being the type of guy who brings 12 apples to dinner, carves them up and eats them, and just mumbles to himself Apple Time, Apple Time. Apple Time was also plausible in this way, because I think for people around the league, there was just another thing, David, stop turning over those papers. It's the longest I've gone with self-control, like, let's go. I've been trying to read backwards.

We're walking you up to it because the other thing about Kauai Leonard is not merely his privacy, which I demand on behalf of those papers, but also that ever since he was a kid in Moreno Valley, California, I mean, he's been famously frugal. Yes. So Sports Illustrated once reported this story about how Wingstop, as part of an endorsement deal, had given Kauai these coupons for free wings, but one day in 2015, Kauai, quote, panicked when he lost his coupons,

and his camp informed Wingstop, which, quote, generously replenished his supply. This dude was making... what, 90 million plus? He was driving the same car, I think, from college for a quad. I'm sure it's changed now, but there was deep... It was called gas guzzler, he nicknameded him. Is this a Warren Buffett situation? Because I...

Maybe. I like when players are... Because I've seen so many bankrupt players in my time. So I view this as a positive for Kauai. Sure. So that's... I'm not going to criticize... It's not to be critical, but this is just to illustrate.

This is the kind of guy where... dealing with. So we're not here to critique the 1997 Chevy Tahoe. Yeah. Amin was alluding to, or the Wingstop coupon that he demands. Because on the Wingstop thing, this is what he told Serge Abaka, who was his teammate at the time with the Raptors, back in 2019. You like Wingstop? I heard it. What kind of wingstop you like? I used to. I don't like Wingstop no more. You used to since when?

About two years ago. Why? Not endorsed no more. So you're business man, huh? Yeah, business. Again, so far, very positive. So the biggest power move, of course, that Kauai Leonard pulled was later that summer. That was the summer of 2019.

He and Sir Jabaka, they win the NBA title with the Raptors, and the courtship of prime Kauai Leonard, the most sought-after free agent in professional basketball, begins. Literally, the entire NBA is watching and waiting, trying to figure out what Kauai is going to do next. Kauai Leonard has made his decision, and it is the L.A. Clippers. A big reason why this happened

was when Leonard pushed Paul George to find a way to get to the Clippers. They go out and get Paul George, and now you have these two elite bookend forwards to play together, but they paid a steep price. The Thunder. We'll get Shy Gilgius, Alexander, and Danilo Golanari. OKC also gets four unprotected first-round picks. a protected first rounder and two pick swaps.

Whatever happened to Shy Gilgius Alexander? I think he became an MVP and changed his name. So it is the first thing we should acknowledge, which is that back in 2019, nobody predicted that Shy Gilgius Alexander would win MVP and finals MVP and a title for the Thunder this year in 2025. And also, by the way, the Clippers losing SGA,

all those picks, getting Kauai and Paul George, that basically reshaped the modern NBA. But the second thing, which is related to that, is that according to multiple NBA executives that I interviewed, lots of not just fans, but executives, were shocked, even suspicious, eyebrows fully raised, at how the once lowly clippers had convinced Kauai to choose them, especially over the Lakers, right?

They were the most furious about all of this. All of the rumors, the conspirators, I mean, you may recall that they centered around a mysterious relative who served as Kauai Leonard's power broker. Uncle Dennis. Uncle Dennis. Runtall Brown, the G-League MVP last season average. He was so important that Spurs fans, bitter Spurs fans,

had been chanting his name at Kauai Leonard. In this league. And so in comes Uncle Dennis Robertson, who, and this is now 2019, according to the athletic, was the center of these complaints by NBA teams about how the Clippers landed Kauai Leonard. And they were so numerous, let's recall, that Adam Silver, the commissioner of the league, finally agreed to investigate them. And the main focus was, in fact, whether Uncle Dennis had requested improper benefits from NBA teams in exchange for Kauai Leonard. these secret sweeteners.

And the most notable sweetener, as sources told Sam Amick of the Athletic, it was, quote, a guaranteed amount of off-court endorsement money that they could expect if Kauai Leonard played for their team. End quote. And this, David, is a serious violation of NBA rules. Why?

Because there's a salary cap for a reason that's been collectively bargained. And what you have to do for level playing field is you cannot have any circumvention of that cap. so you're not allowed to give players anything. It all counts. So you can't give them plane tickets. You can't pay the college education

of their brothers, sisters, friends. You can't give them cars. You can offer in the contract that's available for public use like a suite on the road, but they have to pay. Or you can appreciate it comes out. The tickets is probably the easiest example

for people to understand. If you've seen NBA players with family members who sit courtside, for instance, let's say John Morant and his father, the team is not offering that for free to John Morant. He is paying face value on those tickets for his father every game. And just sort of like the philosophy behind the salary cap for people who just aren't familiar with it,

this is important because it does what? It stops the richest owner in the world from being able to do things that the poorest of the rich owners can't do. So there are certain owners. Think about this. If you're an owner who makes private planes for a living and you just give a private plane to you. your player just for S's and G's, that's something that a guy who buys a team who runs a corner of family drugstore wouldn't be able to do. This is now where we can connect some of the dots officially.

So Kauai was only allowed to sign a three-year $103 million max contract, which he did, of course. But the big alleged conspiracy, the one that got everybody's eyebrows raised, if you're an executive across the NBA, was that cost-conscious, frugal Kauai Leonard and his uncle, Dennis had apparently found the perfect franchise with an ideal owner who would be happy to give them the illicit sweeteners they demanded. And an owner, who as a mean described, just happened to be the richest sports owner in the world with a current net worth of $175 billion, making him yes, the sixth richest person in the world, who also happened to be the hypercompetitive former

CEO of Microsoft, which also meant that he was still kind of just getting used to the socialist cap that David described, that limited his NBA spending power. And Steve Bomber himself happened to explain all of this to the acquired podcast in June of this year. We do have a union. That's very different. What that means in terms of the complexity through the collective bargaining agreement, it also covers things like what's max salary, what trades can you make, all that, very different. You really are business partners with your competitors.

That's different. I mean, you actually get together and talk to him. I never did that, but I was at Microsoft. And I want to clarify, in fairness to Steve Bomber, that no evidence of illicit payment to Kauai Leonard was ever found, apparently. Right? Kauai re-uped with the Clippers in August of 2021 before the season. Then again, last year, another extension.

And the athletic ultimately reported about the NBA's investigation, quote, While sources with knowledge of the investigation said no evidence was found indicating that the clippers had granted any of the lavish requests, the underlying message coming from Commissioner Adam Silver remains. He sees salary cap circumvention as a cardinal sin in the NBA and will always keep a watchful eye on that front. If any relevant evidence of improper benefits surfaces in the future, the league will reopen the investigation and pursue the charges yet again. the threat of suspension for executives was openly discussed, as was the potential for a loss of draft picks, or even the voiding of player contracts, as the most extreme of measures, end quote.

This is where I should also say that Pablo Torre finds out is independently produced by Metal Arc Media and distributed by the athletic, which means that the views, research, and reporting expressed in this episode are solely those of Pablo Torre finds out and do not reflect the work or editorial input of the athletic or its journalists. So this is where I just got to set the stage here,

because so far we've been telling two parallel stories, much like two parallel towers of papers. And what we know is that NBA executives were suspicious of how Steve Baumers' clippers landed the most valuable free agent on the market, Kauai Leonard, that the NBA did not find that bomber got Kauai by sweetening their offer.

But also that in March 2025, this celebrity endorsed multi-billion-dollar, allegedly fraudulent tree brokerage named Aspiration, which promises to clear your conscience and your emissions, they file for bankruptcy. And this is where the clue is. So David, if you will now finally flip over that paper. He was groping it. He was groping that paper. I just talking. What David's looking at with his glasses on is a bankruptcy filing and is a list of creditors. The entities, to which aspiration in all of their alleged fraudulence, still owes the most money. And what I noticed is what David is noticing right now,

which is that on that list of creditors, up near the top, above the Boston Red Sox, is an LLC. A tiny little company that Aspiration owes $7 million. And that LLC's name, David, is what? A KL2 Aspire LLC. What I did next was pull the publicly accessible paperwork that KL2 Aspire LLC filed with California's Secretary of State which happens to be the first document in front of you, I mean.

Okay. And what does it list there under manager or member name? Quai Leonard. Whose NBA jersey number, just to connect all of the dots here, happens to be what? Number two. So then the question is, the aspire part of KL2 Aspire LLC, right? Because, okay, he's getting all his money, millions of dollars. What I started doing was scour the internet.

for any mentions of aspiration. Any appearances, tweets, quotes, Instagram posts, anything by Kauai Leonard endorsing aspiration. And this was hard to find. Which also might seem weird, right? Because every other celebrity aspiration gave money to was well known. There was Drake offering a statement to Rolling Stone. There was Doc Rivers, Kauai's own head coach. Robert Downey Jr. was cutting his commercial.

That was the whole point of paying the A-list Avengers. But the grand total number of times that I found Kauai Leonard ever publicly referencing aspiration was this. Ultimately, zero. Zero. Zero times. Right. Kauai Leonard mentioned aspiration. And so what I started doing was reaching out to dozens of former aspiration employees.

And I was looking for any information about KL2 Aspire LLC. And what happened was a grand total of seven of them ultimately agreed to interviews, which is also how I have exclusively obtained the next sheaf of papers in front of you both to turn over. David, please go first. Can you please read what this signed and executed document says? This endorsement agreement is effective as of April 1, 2022, the effective date, between KL2 Aspire LLC and aspiration partners with a principal place of business in Marina Del Rey, California.

Whereas Kawhi Leonard, Leonard, is a professional basketball player in the National Basketball Association, NBA, currently on the roster of the Los Angeles Clippers team. Whereas company desires that KL2 cause Leonard to provide the services of to promote and market company as more particularly set forth herein. In consideration of the rights and benefits granted to company hereunder, the company will pay KAL2, which is Kauai, $28 million in cash during the term of this agreement. Company will pay KL2 $7 million each year of the term. That is Kauai Leonard's autograph, right next to Andre Charnney, the CEO's autograph,

youngest speechwriter in White House history, next to the Clippers franchise player. But as for the listed address, I mean, for where any and all legal notices for Kauai Leonard will be sent. What does that say there? KL2 Aspire LLC, care of Dennis Robertson. And Uncle Dennis is also listed elsewhere in this contract, by the way,

as his nephew's designated representative. And so this is where I just need to mention that on account of the multiple ongoing federal investigations into aspiration, all the former employees I talked to were very afraid, understandably, to go on tape.

But eventually, toward the end, of my investigation, I convinced one very important person who worked in the finance department of Aspiration to go on tape, provided we could modulate their voice, which felt fair. I love that. I've always wanted to do that. Do you remember the first time that you discovered Kauai Leonard's endorsement agreement with Aspiration? Oh, it was within the first 30 days of my employment with the company. And I didn't so much as discover it as I was told about it. What was your reaction?

What were you told? My reaction was, what the fuck? And I was told, like, oh, these are the major contracts and the major players you really need to be aware of. And we went through a litany of, you know, really, really top-tier name contracts. And then, oh, by the way, we also have a marketing deal with Kauai Leonard, a 28. million dollar organic marketing sponsorship deal with Kauai, and that if I had any questions about it, essentially don't because it was to circumvent the salary cap, L.O.L. There was lots of LOL when things were shared. Among the endorsement agreements that these famous people, these

celebrities were signing with aspiration, where did the size of Kauai Leonard's agreement, the $28 million over four years? Where did that rank? The single largest sponsorship deal that aspiration ever made, it completely eclipsed every other agreement. Completely eclipsed it. So every other celebrity endorsement combined would not have met even a quarter of Quay Leonard's endorsement. So that's including Leonardo DiCaprio and Drake

and Robert Downey Jr. and Cindy Crawford and everybody else. Kyrber, Patty Gronia, who's a famous, environmentally friendly drag queen. God bless her. Did you ever see proof of Kauai Leonard marketing or endorsing aspiration in any way? Never not once. The single largest payment to an individual for marketing that aspiration ever made has completely evaded all press.

It's honestly incredible. And it was a very strong pain point for our marketing team. And honestly, like altruistically, like they're job is to get aspirations name out there. They don't understand why the largest part of their budget that they've actually blown is not delivering.

I should say that we hear a Pablo Toro finds out, attempted to reach out to Kauai Leonard to the Clippers through his agent and through his Uncle Dennis, of course, with interview requests followed by detailed questions, but Kauai's personal team did not respond before our deadline.

The Clippers, however, provided a statement on behalf of the organization, and owner Steve Balmer, which reads in part, quote, neither Mr. Balmer nor the clippers circumvented the salary cap or engaged in any misconduct related to aspiration. Any contrary assertion is provably false, end quote. What's even crazier is that as you comb through it, as you were just attempting to do, what becomes clear

is that this is how, this $28 million deal, this thing that he never did anything for was designed. I'm no expert, but the language seems to indicate that he actually, contractually, didn't have to do anything? Nothing. He didn't have to do anything. There was a clause for an out in every single KPI.

So they weren't actually key performance indicators, KPI's. They were, if you feel as though this is something, that doesn't align with you, or it's too big of an ask, or maybe you don't want to post on social media, maybe you don't want to wear our gear, just let us know, or you don't have to let us know, you just don't have to do it. There's section 3.2 obligations of KL2, that is the heading, section 3.2 part 4. KL2 may decline to proceed with any action desired by the company under section 3.2,

which is the whole section where everything is, all the stuff that he would have to do. if Leonard believes that such proposed actions are not consistent with his beliefs. Yeah. And then part five, right after that, KL2 shall have the exclusive right to control and approve all content and distribution for commercial, non-commercial, or lawful purpose, bearing the athlete endorsements or approved Leonard IP. And no one in aspiration had this veto power outside of quite Leonard.

Which is to say that when you look at this, your examination of this indicates that the power dynamic is actually reversed here. Exactly. The client, Kauai Leonard, seems to be dictating the terms to the company aspiration. Correct. In other words, Kaui Leonard got from aspiration a $28 million no-show job. Yeah, it's amazing. I'm honestly so jealous. So jealous. I mean, he's got the dream.

Like, it's within my beliefs to be paid $28 million and do absolutely $5.000 as well. It's incredible. It's literally written so he can never be in breach. If it's not consistent with his beliefs, David, he doesn't have to do it. I'm sweating a little bit because I want to understand exactly what the deliverables were and to see whether or not there's opportunity for him to actually get the $28 million without ever, ever allowing them. to do anything with his name associated. Allow me to hand you some paper.

It's so many trees. Yeah. Well, one tree. He said it was one tree. I'm not going on it. I don't believe it is. There's the full endorsement agreement. You may look.

You're right there. Thank you. So I've... Page 13. I've done a lot of these. Oh, that's why you're here. Oh. David Sam's an architect of many sponsorship endorsement agreements.

is now looking through with his little glasses. So here's something he has to do. If requested by the company, KL2 shall cause Leonard to be available to sign 50 items. Jesus Christ. The signing deals we do. It's like 1,500 items. And it's not 7 million.

If requested. 50. If requested, it shall cause KL2, meaning Kauai, shall cause Kauai to be available and to work with team or Leonard's content creators to provide a minimum of one photo per month to aspiration for their usage during the NBA season. What's one photo per month?

Well, the point is he did zero photos per month. Wait, there's more. If requested, okay. This is better. He has to be available, Kauai does, for $28 million to participate in five organic comments, which could be a like or a retweet. You may wonder how many likes.

and retweets did he give. Is it zero? Of course it's zero. Oh my God. He did nothing. He literally did nothing. As far as we can tell. As far as we can tell.

And my source has confirmed, as well as the other six sources I spoke to, have confirmed. Did nothing and yet not in breach of contract. That's the amazing part. That's the dream. Right? It's like I did nothing wrong, basically, according to this contract. He does have to do something that's major here. What is that?

That Leonard has to be available. and participate with company to create an annual program in support of the company's reforestation program with a tie to calculating Leonard's carbon footprint given his annual schedule events and travel. Boy, I'd love to see that. Well, it's hard because it didn't happen. I thought you were going to say that was the one thing he did do.

As David continues to... Well, I'm also looking at the definitions, because I want to make sure here... I knew that he would... He's like a pig and shit right now. You give me a secret contract that I can pick apart. What we heard just before about that any deliverable, it's that such proposed actions are not consistent with his beliefs.

He doesn't have to do it. And I'm looking in the defined terms. Assuming these are all defined terms, I'm looking for beliefs. It is not defined. So therefore, there is no actual anything in this contract. Now, I've been reading it only for a couple of minutes. This is in real time. but if you've got a qualifier there,

which allows you to get out of any of your obligations with something as ephemeral is not consistent with his beliefs without a definition, because beliefs is a small B. I was looking for beliefs with a big B, which would make it a defined term, where you have to say, hey, I don't believe in working on Saturdays,

or I don't believe in supporting pig meat because I'm a vegan. So you can have that in contracts that you will not endorse something that goes against your beliefs. but it's a small B and there's no defined term. He might small B believe in not doing anything. Yeah, so I guess my beliefs to do to do this.

David? I'm just, I'm trying to come to grips with 2.10 B here. And I'm sorry, but this is a major provision in the contract that I'm I'm not used to seen. It's called termination. It's when would an agreement be terminated? So when can the company? company, when can they say, you know what, we're not paying you? And normally there would be

provisions for termination if you're a felon, if you're convicted of a felony, sometimes if you're just arrested for a felony. If you do anything for disparagement, if you bring bad juju upon the company, it can trigger a termination. This termination, and it's a termination for cause, which means... This is in the aspiration endorsement deal. This is in his $28 million endorsement deal. Termination for cause, if Leonard is no longer... an employee of the team for any reason, and the team, capital T, is defined as the clippers. Yes.

So an endorsement deal that a company does with the player is usually you don't always get the rights to their marks. Right. So it's like blank uniforms. And so it doesn't matter whether the player is playing for the clippers or not. But in this agreement, it's a termination for cause if he's not an employee of the team. For avoidance of doubt, which is what you say in a contract,

we want to make sure nobody screws it up. If Leonard is still being paid by the capital T team, but is a member of another NBA organization or has retired, either of those instances are a triggering event for termination by the company. So an example of that is if Kwai Leonard got bought out by the Clippers and then ends up signing with the Knicks. Technically, the Clippers are still paying him the remaining amount, but he is an employee of the New York Knicks now.

And what that contract is saying very clearly, very bluntly, we're just going to tackle this right now in writing. If that happens, it triggers the termination clause. I love that David just found that. I can't believe that Kauai Leonard that anyone would ask for that or agree to it if it were not. It seems to be perhaps one of the things in this otherwise very laissez-faire approach to what you got to do, that the clippers found,

you might presume, quite important. Just be on the clippers. Let's put this as bluntly as possible. So, to be clear, Kauai can not post anything, can never like or retweet anything, can not sign the balls,

right? Cannot do the photo op. A reforestation program. Not show up for any events. But? But has asked better be a clipper throughout all of that. That's the thing that would jeopardize the $28 million.

I had to reread it before bringing it up to you, too, because it can't be, but it is. It is signed and executed under those terms. And so what all of this let me do it mean is get back to sports, right? Because what I was curious about was, okay, so we have all these documents about the $28 million for the no-show job. I wanted to put that against the timeline of his contract. extensions with the Clippers because Kauai Leonard signed his first extension in August 2021 before that season. The month after that, it turns out, Steve Bomber, this is September, broke ground

on the Intuit Dome. Now, this is, David, the most expensive NBA arena ever constructed, his grand creation. And though Kauai was still out recovering, you might remember the right knee injury? Yes. He did show up for that. Nine. That was an actual digging for the stadium. It's totally ridiculous. All right, guys get to work. You bring in a bunch of dirt and you just get shovels.

Oh, that's not the actual ground. No, it's not even on the ground. Kauai looks like he's coming back from the gym. It's the combination that always bothers me. Everyone else is wearing like slacks and suits and all that stuff. And Kauai just like popped in hoodie and shorts. But speaking of digging, I want to go back to the coverage of the extension that Kauai signed just weeks before that scene, right? Because before those shovels went into the ground,

you may recall that he signs this four-year 176.3 million dollar extension. And you may recall also that something didn't quite add up at the time. According to the ringer, I mean, you may turn over the next page and read the highlighted passage. That Quay Leonard officially returned to the Clippers on Thursday came as no surprise. What has provoked some headscrower, though, is the structure of the contract he decided to ink how perfectly quai, even when there's no mystery, there's a little bit of mystery. And this was because Kauai Leonard, as you continue to read through this, essentially did the clippers what appears to be a favor.

So here we have this notably frugal superstar who is complain about the wingstop coupons level frugal, and he did not do what everyone expected him to do, given that, which was signed the shortest or the longest possible deal in order to maximize his earnings. Instead, to the surprise of many NBA insiders, Kauai Leonard very helpfully opted for a middle ground. And I just want to acknowledge here that the timing of Kauai's extension from 2021 does not align super neatly with the paperwork on his $28 million aspiration endorsement deal, David, because that took effect when again? When did it say that on that? Right in the start, April 1 of 2022. But now, I mean, that I was.

like you to do is turn over the page after that. So that's the first type of document you may recall that you ever looked at. This is the original registration for KL2 Aspire LLC that got filed with the state of California establishing an LLC whose name indicates that it was entirely created to take money from aspiration. It says FIntyre in the title. Look at the top of that piece of paper under filed date. November 22nd, 2021. We're now right there at the end of the summer. beginning of the fall, the beginning of that season, when he signs the extension, when the ground is broken, and this LLC, KL2 Aspire LLC, gets registered with the state of California. And now we're getting, guys, now we're getting to the thing we have not yet established about the fall of 2021 when it comes to the once unsolvable question of salary caps or convention in the NBA, which is the direct financial relationship between, Queen Aspiration on the one hand, and Steve Balmer and his clippers on the other.

And that is after the break. So I need to start this section by acknowledging that I have interviewed Steve Baller before. So Steve Balmer, like Andre Cherney, like Joe Sandberg, and like me, went to Harvard. Harvard! At Sports Illustrated, this was in 2010, I wrote a magazine feature about then Harvard senior Jeremy Lynn and our alma mater's revitalized basketball program, and I called Microsoft, then CEO Steve Bomber up. And he was happy to talk.

He was very generous with his time. He talked about how he loved basketball, and he loved it so much that he kept stats for the team when it was horrible, and he was an undergrad back in the 70s. He was like charting rebounds and assists. And since then, as you may know, Steve Bomber has been hailed as arguably, quote, the very best investor of the last 20 years.

End quote. But the people who know Steve Bomber, what they say is that there is no product, Steve Bomber, cares about more, down to the tiniest little detail. Then the NBA team he purchased from noted racist Donald Sterling back in 2014. And this was evidenced, I mean, by the arena

that Balmer admirably spent billions of his own money designing in his own image. I love it to it, though. Since we talked a lot about products. And I've been involved in, you know, I'll say the visioning, and I call myself a visionary, but what should this product look like? And particularly those, you know, a number of them, both windows, but also certainly on the back-end products, back-end meaning they're not

customer visible. But I would say Intuit Dome is probably the product for which I have the clearest vision I've ever had. I knew what I wanted. It evolved some because we would went and looked at, you know, a bunch of other arenas. But I had a point of view. I know what user. I wanted to make happy. I wanted to make Intuit Dome the best place for the hardcore basketball fan. And David, as a guy who designed a building an arena before, you know what that means.

Toilets, 116, toilets. Three times being in live, we wanted to get back to their damn. They have sensors in the seats that measure how loud each section is. And so routinely they'll come up and say this was the loudest section in that last segment of play. Everyone gets free t-shirts or free stuff. The level of microscopic detail that Steve Bomber cared about, the sensors, the toilets, everything, it all is to say that when it came to picking the company whose patch would get stitched on. on to every Clippers jersey and whose signage would adorn the back of every court side seat.

Steve Bomber, hand-picked, aspiration to become the first founding partner of the Intuit Dome, the first arena to become 100% carbon neutral from day one, the quote, most sustainable arena in the world, end quote. And the Clippers announced this at Media Day in September 2021, with Steve Palmer sitting right next to noted Clippers and Martin Luther King fan, Joe Sanberg. There are a few people in the business world and in the sports world that I admire as much as Steve Balmer. This is a true visionary and an original thinker, and those are rare and few and far between

in this day and age, but it's visionaries and original thinkers who change the course of history. And we're partnered with Steve and the Clippers to change the course of Los Angeles sports history and all global sports history, which is turning sports into a tool to fight the climate crisis. So aspiration and partnership with the Clippers will be delivering tools to all Clippers fans to make their experience watching the Clippers, carbon neutral and even carbon negative, so that your choice of being a Clippers fan isn't just a choice of who you root for, but it's an expression of what you believe. Once again, beliefs are quite instrumental.

here. As proclaimed in a headline on NBA.com. L.A. Clippers and aspirations set a new standard for social responsibility in sports. Or, as CNBC put it, David, L.A. Clippers signed 300 million-plus arena sponsorship deal with Green Bank aspirations. Just listen to Steve Bummer himself while sitting next to Joe Zanberg at Media Day. The piece de resistance as we went through this is when we had a chance to really sit down and meet the folks from aspiration. To have our first founding partner be a company that focuses in on providing services to consumers and businesses to reduce or even go negative on their own carbon footprints was a great thing. Aspiration agreed to pay.

the Clippers, that staggering amount, more than $300 million, over 23 years. Now, I assume you don't have that agreement, although you've got 4,000 pages and 25,000 trees. That might be in there, honestly. And I keep turning things over. But again, David, let's put this in perspective. That's a naming rights deal. That's a naming rights deal. But usually, what do you get in the naming rights deal?

The name. The name. If they have founding partners, you get special places in your ballpark and your arena where they're called pillar sponsors. Oh, but they got the patch. They were going to get the patch, look at the back of the court side seat behind another Marvel superheroes, Simu, U. Aspirations right there. And this is where I just got to point out that the tower of documents we have been sort of like gazing

at over here, it's actually different from the documents we have already examined. These 3,445 unpublished documents that I've obtained from inside of aspiration, They range from bank statements to sign contracts to fancy pitch decks to internal emails. And what they do is they speak to Steve Bomber's personal influence and awareness of the inner workings of this green bank that is now under federal investigation for an allegedly massive fraud. So, David, the next sheet of paper you can turn over is an internal email about partnership opportunities in sports and entertainment sent by Joe Sandberg to his fellow co-founder, Andre Cherny, and another aspiration executive. on October 29th, 2021.

Bomber himself is enthusiastic to help and will personally be a reference, an advocate where we ask him. So please keep that front of mind. And then, I mean, if you will, there is an email on November 1st, 2021 from Steve Bomber, personally connecting the CEO of Intuit with Andre and Joe. Since Intuit and Aspiration

already have a business relationship and all of us share a passion for the clips and our Intuit Dome project, I thought it might be fun for the four of us to take in a game together sometime soon. To which Joe Sandberg replies, that same day, David? This is to Steve Balmer. From Joe Sanberg.

Steve, thank you and you're right. Looking forward to our spending time together. Andre and I admire into its commitment to sustainability and your smart partnership with the Clippers, exclamation point. Go Clippers. Exclamation point.

Less than a month after that exchange. To three months after the signing of the extension. Kaui Leonard and Uncle Dennis, register KL2 Aspire LLC. Now, less than a month after that, December 2021, it was announced that Steve Bomber, who is again hailed as the very best investor of the last 20 years, joined Oak Tree Capital Management in investing a total of $315 million. into Aspiration,

which was subsequently valued at $2.3 billion. So this is how my source characterized the mood around the company at the time. Aspiration was at a great place at that time. Finances, like, listen, let's go have a pizza party every day. It was looking great. But if you peel back the layers of the onion a little bit more, you see that that money was spent

quite quickly. So according to contracts and emails that I obtained, $50 million. $50 million of this money came from Bomber's personal LLC. And that LLC, by the way, is named Pol Pat. Not Pol Pot.

Not Pol Pot, the brutal Cambodian dictator. But Pol Pat, how dare you make that mistake? And according to all seven former aspiration employees I spoke to, that enormous infusion of money from Steve Bomber, $50 million, is what allowed the allegedly fraudulent Green Bank to quite eagerly pay Kauai Leonard $28 million for an alleged no-show job. The source says in there that the money was spent very quickly. Some might say the money was spent before we even got there

because it was just the clearinghouse. Better not say that. Some would say. Because if you're saying that, then an investigation has to follow. And if there is any threat where money's invested into, to Aspiration and then is out the door to Kauai by the transit of property of flow of funds, it went right from Balmer to Leonard. The term that my sources called this arrangement,

which again, neither Aspiration nor the Clippers nor Kauai Leonard ever announced, despite the tonnage of announcements that they were making all the time, was, quote, sweetener. And this is a term that originates from the next email in front of you, Amin, sent by Joe Sandberg, amid a much longer argument with one of his big, business partners because a very defensive Sandberg was trying to preempt the idea that Bomber, not unlike Kawhi with the Clippers, embraced aspiration for any other alleged reason. So this is an email to quite a few people. There's a lot of people on the CC line,

but the relevant portion. What you're implying is that Balmer's investment was a sweetener, an impure when the math above pretty blatantly contradicts your implication. In conclusion, it really pisses me off. So that is Joe Sandberg, who would be arrested by the federal government. And I took all of this, all that stuff of that email, to my source. Joe is the one who brings up a sweetener, and Joe is the one who brings up the impurity of the contract. The way it reads is that, like, Joe Sandberg was almost, like,

waiting for someone at some point to accuse him of something. He is the first person to bring it. to the conversation in writing and not offline either. So in an attempt to cover his tracks, he actually opens up the door to conversation in question. It does seem very clear that the people inside of Aspiration

loved to email each other. Yeah, that's a stupid f***ing idiots. Quite frankly. Yeah, let's put it in writing. Great idea. I should say that we reached out to Joe Sandberg, who declined to comment through an attorney. But the thing about the bet that Steve Balmer made on Aspiration,

the problem came in 2022. So this is when the wheels of aspiration began to fall off. So they'd acquired all these celebrity endorsements, right? But not enough actual business. That's unfortunately the story of this company. And in October 2022, Aspiration began advertising, even, in a pitch deck for investors that I obtained that had a new customer to help competent.

for the lack of business. The new customer was Qatar, the country. Qatar. It's always a good way to... Qatar, according to this pitch deck, had hired aspiration to zero out the carbon footprint of the 2022 World Cup. Yes, of course.

Of course, according to my seven sources, this was not true. So, the point being that they were flailing, the cash was draining out, on the road to bankruptcy, and aspiration, despite all of this, had a top priority in October 2022, internally, per my seven sources.

And that was incredibly clear. There were weekly meetings about who was going to get paid what and when. And during those weekly meetings, Kauai Leonard's contract was always set to be paid. Even in a time of total financial hardship for the company, why? There were multiple reasons we were given. One being that Kauai's uncle was calling. Wait, wait, this is Uncle Dennis. Uncle Dennis was calling, and Uncle Dennis demanded payment.

It was priority one. It was something that had to be done, and it was crucial to our relationships with Palmer and the Clippers. He's calling about his coupons. Uncle Dennis was like, where is the wing stop? Oh, this ain't coupons. Obviously, the stakes are much, much higher, but it's the same general principle that this is a guy who wouldn't let coupons go.

He damn sure ain't going to let $7 million go. Bingo. I tried to ask Uncle Dennis himself about this via email and phone. We did not hear back before our deadline. Of course, we did request an interview with Steve Bomber. We sent him and his people detailed questions about all of this. And we received this statement from the Clippers on behalf of Balmer and the team, which reads in full,

quote, neither Mr. Balmer nor the Clippers circumvented the salary cap or engaged in any misconduct related to aspiration. Any contrary assertion is provably false. The team ended its relationship with aspiration years ago during the 2022-23 season when aspiration defaulted on its obligations. Neither the Clippers nor Mr. Balmer was aware of any improper activity by aspiration or its co-founder until after the government instituted its investigation. The team and Mr. Balmer stand ready to to assist law enforcement in any way they can. End quote. Now, for what it's worth,

I should also say that Aspiration had given a statement last year that the company, quote, has delivered carbon credits to the Clippers over the past several years, and based on ongoing obligations, will continue to source and deliver credits annually through the last delivery in 2043. We take our work in the climate action category seriously, end quote.

And so, Amin, by the way, here we have something that the NBA has been searching for. If I'm the league and I'm watching this episode and I'm saying, wait, and they've got the paperwork to back it up, this feels like a paper trail that would lead you to believe that the clippers, through aspiration, managed to give extra compensation above and beyond what the collective bargaining agreement would allow.

It's at least a reopener. which way Adam Silver said. Well, again, let's quote it again, David. According to Athletic, he sees salary caps for a convention as a cardinal sin in the NBA and will always keep a watchful eye on that front. If any relevant evidence of improper benefits

surfaces in the future, the league will reopen the investigation and pursue the charges yet again. The threat of suspension for executives was openly discussed, as was the potential for a loss of draft picks or even the voiding of player contracts as the most extreme of measures, end quote.

The dynamics here also, just to spell it out. You know, this is not just any owner, David. The thing we have to think about is the power that Balmer has within the NBA. He's actually been very good for the league. He brings credibility to the league. He replaced Donald Sterling. Well, but, right.

Anybody could have replaced him. But he's now sitting courts at with Barack Obama. He's the richest owner in all of sports. That's what it is. So it's not an Adam Silver issue with Steve Balmer. My biggest interesting point here is what, owners will take from this because they can call on Adam silver and say, hey, you know, you got to look into this because this is not right.

Now, it's not like Balmers won a bunch of championships. And it's not like, has he even been to an NBA finals since he bought the team? Not at all. The Clippers have been to the conference finals once in team history, and that was the one that happened in 2021. That was the first time they'd ever made it out of second round, going back to even Buffalo. So this is a team that is synonymous with abject failure. that's not the part that people, other NBA owners, other NBA teams are envious about.

What they're envious about is the massive amounts of money that they're able to throw around doing things like, because guess what, David, it's great that they built their arena from scratch all out of pocket. Well, it's also like Steve Bomber is the embodiment of why you would want a salary cap. Yes. His spending is uncapped in all these other ways. But in this way, when it comes to the stars that are the. again, to pun intend this, the governor, the governor on the governor, which is what we call NBA owners now, it can you get the stars? And so here we have a clue in the bankruptcy filing

that we followed that was hidden in plain sight that got us to sign an executed paperwork, got us to Uncle Dennis, to the aspiration logos that were supposed to be on the Clippers' jerseys and all over the most sustainable arena in the world. And you get these private emails as a result showing Bomber's personal connectedness to aspiration. And when it comes to Kauai, again, it's just funny when the absence of evidence becomes the evidence. No, that's... But that's what an endorsement deal would force us to reckon with. Is that that feels like clearly something,

even though it's definitionally nothing. Nothing. He didn't have to do anything. The question to me, and this is the question that has been phrased by the seven sources inside of aspiration that I talked to, the former employees, was this money going on what was framed to me as, a round trip. Was it starting one place, going all the way around, and surprise, it's doing what the guy who gave the money up, wanted it to do to help his own interests? And so this all raises

this second related question, which is the more serious and vast question in the real world, right? because this question is the one that the DOJ and the FBI and the CFTC and SEC, which are all again looking into this deeply broken company, are thinking. As my source put it, characterizing what their coworkers at Aspiration have lately been asking. Why is Steve Palmer backing a huge historic raise for aspiration? Why? Also, what was... the main motivation for such a large raise, because from inside aspiration, we see like the glitz and the glam of the celebrities that are posting, but from the finance side, accounts receivable

were wild. Like, the actual amount of money that needed to be coming in in order for our revenue to count towards real revenue was astronomical in comparison to what was actually being received. There's a lot of these one-off LOIs that existed, letters of intent. There's all these one-off deals. But this proof of concept from a business perspective, at least from the finance side, did not make sense to the point where forecasting felt like casting spells. When you look at this list, how many of those, and these are all listed as deals, letters of intent, dated as of early 2021, before Bob. had made his big investment. How many of those are fake?

80, 90%. They just said that 80 to 90% of the LOIs were fake. As of early 2021, listed in the paperwork that Steve Bomber could examine before he decided to invest or not all of the $50 million that he put in. Yeah, this is a little bit more than caps our convention. Given this special influence and the way Steve Bomber was investing millions, but also getting paid millions, via the Clipper sponsorship, with the promise of an even bigger payout. By the way, if Aspiration were a real company that went public successfully to the tune

of that $2.3 billion valuation, what did Steve Bomber, the very best investor of the last 20 years, know about everything else going on at Asperation? And when did Steve Balmer know it? So Adam Silver on one hand, and then you've got the government on the other, the government. the government doesn't really care about salary caps or convention at all. NBA owners, NBA, they care deeply. The federal government cares deeply if there's any sort of fraud perpetuated on a common investor. And that is a question that the NBA and the federal government would both have some curiosity about. What this is is a story that starts with a clue in a bankruptcy filing, gets us to,

a giant MBA scandal and gets us back to the real world where some fucking shit is actually its date. So before I let everybody go here, I just need to take a quick sidebar to update you on a new development in the Department of Justice's investigation into aspiration. A headline from just two weeks ago, August 21st, 2025. Quote, Orange County Man and Aspiration Partners co-founder agrees to plead guilty to 248 million dollar scheme to defraud investors and lenders. End quote.

That's two counts of wire fraud. But also, that's not all. That same day, the Securities and Exchange Commission published a parallel announcement about Joe Sandberg, the Orange County man in question, charging him for, quote, raising more than $300 million from investors based on a fraudulent scheme to generate and mislead investors about fake revenues for environmental sustainability services. End quote. Now, notably, neither Steve Bomber, one of aspirations biggest and most influential individual

investors, nor Andre Cherney, the other co-founder, you know, the one who signed the no-show deal for Bomber's most important player, was named in this round of DOJ or SEC court filings. Although, I should also mention that the SEC concludes its press release by noting that its investigation is ongoing, as is ours, which brings me to the last thing that I needed to tell David and Amin in studio, because a bit earlier this summer, on July 4th, something kind of surreal happened while I continued to report this story. I happened to encounter the very person whose signature was right next to Kawhi Leonard on that

$28 million no-show endorsement deal in the pages of the New York Times. The splashy headline this time was, quote, Democrats lay groundwork for a Project 29. I mean, if you will turn over your next piece of paper. The title is an unsubtle play on Project 2025, the independently produced right-wing agenda that Mr. Trump spent much of last year's campaign distancing himself from and much of his first few months back in power executing. They plan to roll out an agenda over the next two years in quarterly installments through

Mr. Charney's publication, Democracy, a Journal of Ideas. The goal is to turn it into a book, just like Project 2025, and to rally leading Democratic presidential candidates behind those ideas during the 28 primary season. Mr. Charney, now the president of the journal he helped create, called the assemblage the Avengers of Public Policy. Mr. Churdy, as in Andre Charny, co-founder and former CEO of Aspiration, whom I very much wanted to talk to,

is back. He's in politics. And so last month, I tried to connect with him on LinkedIn, and he accepted. Oh, no. Oh, my God. I tried to start a conversation, inviting Andre to come on, Pablo Tori finds out, to discuss several things. the future of the Democratic Party, which he wants to lead.

His experience working with Steve Balmer and Kauai Leonard and the Clippers. The last time he talked to his co-founder, Joe Sandberg, his friend from, you know, Harvard. But I also wanted to ask, Andre, why did you resign as the CEO of Aspiration in October 2022, right as, you know, all that shit was really hitting the fan? And relatedly, why he ran for U.S. Congress a second time in Arizona, in 2024, because what I wanted to find out was whether the company he had co-founded to fight climate change, had even been planting, as Andre once proclaimed,

quote, We're planting more trees in there are in Central Park every day. End quote. But I could not. No chance. He didn't respond. And when we reached out to Andre Charny with detailed questions, Andre did not respond.

But all this is to say that I did want to pose that question to somebody, this question about the trees. And so I did. You would have to go in order to confirm that the trees were planted. Usually you have a project manager who's providing those real-time updates. You would have someone physically representing the project for aspiration in that project, whether it was daily, weekly, monthly, quarterly, at a minimum, someone would be there to confirm. How often did aspiration visit the sites of the tree plantings?

That's a great question. to my knowledge, out of all of the projects that Aspiration undertook for carbon offsets, there was only one site visit during my tenure. Wait, so just to be clear, I'm looking at a spreadsheet with a zillion approximately projects having to do with forestation and tree plantings, and you're saying there was one site visit during your tenure there. Yeah, to one project. What does that say to you?

Either they are not concerned with whether or not the trees are being planted or it's not real. Or both. The opportunity for malfeasance seems endless. Well, it now returns us to me into the question that we started this episode with, which was, how many trees had to die? For me to put these hundreds, thousands of documents on this table in this, studio. Because look, I should say, to be very clear, I believe the greenhouse gas problem is extremely real. I think that the Trump administration, David, is in fact helping destroy our planet.

We should be concerned by all of this. We've in fact had multiple guests on the show before, like NASA scientist, Dr. Cape Marvel, and marine biologist, Dr. Ayanna, Elizabeth Johnson, to address this concern, the same concern raised by Robert Downey Jr. And back to that original question, what should we aspire to? I see him now, Iron Man. Aspiring. What I aspired to do in honor of Iron Man. Aspiring Man.

Was do what aspiration didn't do nearly enough. So we here at Pablatorre finds out decided to hire an Avenger of our own, which you can see on YouTube right now, to help us zero out the carbon footprint of this ridiculous episode. I mean, do you want to explain what you're seeing here? I see someone in an Ironman suit, and I use that term very loosely, walking in Inglewood, California, right across the street from the Intuit Dome. And they have forcibly planted a tree in a pile of dirt right across the street from Intuit Dome.

We broke around, I believe, is the proper term. Yeah. There's a, what's that, a little shovel or whatever they call that thing. A watering can. Watering. Wow, it's like a cartoon character's watering can. With a big thumbs up. Yep. that tree is dead on arrival.

How dare you? What this all means is that our Ironman has now made as many site visits to actually ensure that a tree got planted as they saw aspiration itself make. And you printed all these documents for this episode and you think that one little dead tree one day, Dave, maybe not today.

Whoa, whoa, whoa. That's not just any tree. Is it a money tree? Oh, man. I mean, what kind of? tree, do you think it is? I hope it's a money tree. I'll go to Englewood right now. I don't know.

I mean, that tree is an apple tree. No. Because when it comes to fighting climate change, there is no time after all, like Apple Time, Apple Time.

Oh, my God. Ladies and gentlemen, Poplari finds out. That's that. You know what, man? Apple Time. It will not be one apple for that tree. Not one. This has been Pablo Torre finds out. A Metal Arc Media production. And I'll talk to you next time.