Pablo Torre Finds Out - Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory (PTFO Vault)

Episode Date: November 25, 2025

Why do so many people still think the 100-point game is fake news? We crate-dig with author Gary Pomerantz, from a rare-book library... to a basement closet... to a vault in Hershey, Pennsylvania — and end up with a poem from the last Warrior standing.(This episode originally aired February 28, 2025.)• Subscribe to Pablo's newsletter for exclusive access, documents and invites:https://pablo.show/ Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

We have a bit of incredible news to share. Our show, Pablo Tori finds out, was not only named one of the best of 2025 by Apple Podcasts, but our episode, The Silent Superstar and the Rodden Apple Tree, which was, you know, the whole investigation and an aspiration in Kauai Leonard and the Clippers, was also chosen as one of Apple Podcast's best episodes of the year. You can check both of those things out,

the best shows and the best episodes list right now in the Apple Podcasts app. So thank you so much for listening. Thank you for making clear what Apple Time, Apple Time actually means. And today, you are going to find out what this sound is. I used to hate the fact that there was no video of it, but as time goes on, I think it kind of adds to the mystique of the game. Right after this ad. When you heard from us, Gary Pomerant, that we wanted to do this topic because of what people had been saying on the internet, Were you excited?

My intuitive reaction was, here we go again. My second reaction was something approximating an eye roll. You know, it's a conspiratorial time. Here is a bulletin from CBS News. In Dallas, Texas, three shots were fired at President Kennedy's motorcade in downtown Dallas. You go back to the 1960s, and there were still a lot of questions about the Kennedy assassination. That's one small step for man.

One giant leap for manned. Did Neil Armstrong really touch the moon, or was he in a studio somewhere in the United States? So it was that kind of a time, and now, you know, we're unfortunately a bit of a historically illiterate country. If there's no video, then it didn't happen. Well, we know the Pilgrim. landed at Plymouth Rock, but there's no video of that.

We know about Lincoln at Gettysburg. There's no video of that. Do we, though? Are we sure? Are we sure about that? We're pretty sure Lincoln was at Gettysburg, yeah. And so, you know, for sports fans, you got to lock in on how different the NBA was then and how different sports media was then. When Kobe scores 81, 15 minutes later online, you can buy a DVD of his performance.

So that's what we're used to. That's the immediacy of today with technology. It wasn't so then. Do you remember the first time you heard somebody casting aspersions on the subject that you have literally written the book about? Yeah. I mean, there was always questions of how could he have done this? How could anybody score 100 points?

Kobe's 81 is second best, and that's not even close. there's something too about the number 100, the symbolism of 100. It's a century. It's a perfect score on a test. If Wiltered scored 102 or 97, we wouldn't embrace it or question it even as we do. And so I decided all these decades later, I got to find out what happened here. This is one of the most famous and famously unknown stories in sports history. The deeper I went, it became a...

you know, like Ellis and Wonderland. Curiouser and curiouser. So the anniversary of one of the most iconic performances in the history of sports is approaching on Sunday. But what most distinguishes Wilts Chamberlain's single game scoring record is that right now, for each of his points on March 2nd, 1962, there appears to be just as many questions, 60 plus years later. If I'm understanding correctly, on the Pat McAfee's show,

we are now questioning the variety of questions. of Wilts Chamberlain's 100-point game. We're questioning whether this is, whether or not exactly happens. No, we're not. Pac-Man is not, but I did not know that there was no documented footage of this until just now. So as soon as that happens, boom, my brain goes,

whoa. You sure? The people always say they don't know if it's true or if it's false. Did Wilt actually score 100 points? Like, even the scores table people, like, and did they all die? Yeah, like, that's why I'm curious who was on the neck. as anyone still?

You just, that's, that was the only thing that could like sell me on it. Like, there was people like, yeah, I was actually at that game. People know what happened 10 billion years ago. They know how the earth was created. They know what the Egyptians were talking about, what they were saying, even though that it's like,

aliens. Even though that it's six languages removed from what we're talking about right now. And nobody knows outside of a sheet of paper with crayon on it that says a hundred. And on and on. it goes across Reddit and TikTok and YouTube to the point where we here at Pablo Torre finds out got a voicemail about this topic at our detective agency hotline 51385 Pablo

hey Pablo long time first time there's a lot of stuff around the internet lately about whether or not will scored 100 points because there's a lot of old footage from the 50s and 60s of the NBA but nothing really about that to post 100 points And then we got another one. Hi, Pablo. My name is Matthew. I have a question and it's actually kind of a conspiracy theory that perhaps only I believe in, but maybe others do, and we shall find out. It revolves around Wilts Chamberlain's 100-point game. We have no video evidence of this happening as far as I know, and the only photographic evidence of this is This is a locker room photo and a piece of paper that says 100 on it.

I'm not sure that I truly believe and trust that Little Chamberlain actually scored 100 points in a game. I know that sounds crazy, but I need your help. Now, those callers sounded reasonable enough to us that we finally decided it was time to get to the bottom of what seems to be a global mystery. And the first person we called was Stanford Professor Gary Pomerantz, the aforementioned author of the book, Wilt, 1962. And Gary immediately established something. He established that one tricky thing about fact-checking Wilk Chamberlain is that Wilts Chamberlain's whole brand was to be larger than life. Wilt was a luminous star at that time. He's just 25 years old.

He's got a nightclub in Harlem called Big Wilt. Wilde Smalls Paradise. Smalls Paradise dates the Halcyon days of the Harlem Renaissance. And Willed walked through that place like he owned all of Harlem, like he owned all of New York. Red Fox, Edd James, Cannonball Adderley. Wilts the greeter, the tallest greeter in NBA history. Wilk had a Goliath syndrome.

He was 7.1, 260 pounds. Dolph Shays of the Syracuse National said his body was the most perfect instrument made by God to play basketball. You know, another writer likened Will's body to the first sight of the New York skyline. I mean, think about this. 7-1, 260 pounds. His back triangulates down to a 31-inch dancer's waist. The guy was cut.

The guy could run the floor like a train. Everything about him was magnificent. I had to do a lot of just reacquainting myself with history as well for this. Wilt was singing his own tune, literally, on American bandstand, right? By the river, down by the river. By the river, beneath the shady tree, just my baby, just my baby, and he wasn't Frankie Valley. He wasn't very good, but they did cut a record of it. You know, he had a racehorse named Spooky.

cadet. It never won. He had an Asian motif apartment off Central Park West in New York. And then, of course, there was Will telling stories about his womanizing. That's the number that people are most, you know, had been most obsessed with. That statistic. 20,000. If I had to count my sexual encounters, I'd be closing in on 20,000 women. That equals to having sex with 1.2 women a day every day since I was 15 years old. What kind of reaction did you receive after that? Do you still receive? I, well, you know, I still receive. What's the fact checking on that like? Well, the fact checking is difficult to do as a matter of fact. But I interviewed one of the 20,000. A woman named Linda Huey, who became a great friend of Wilts at the end of his life. She said, Will, why did you say 20,000?

And Will's response was to wink and say, what's an extra zero between friends? But, you know, I thought maybe one of the you invited me on the show was to give me an award from the Board of Education. Mm-hmm. Because whenever people see me now, they go 20,000, and let's see, he must have started with like 15, and he's now maybe 55, so let's see, 20,000, 365, you know, and then you're getting people thinking. Not only that, I'm teaching them mathematics, which is really the whole, the whole story here. I don't think that's going to be a word problem for kids. If Wilk Chamberlain is with 10 women on a

train headed east. That's right. There you go. That's right. I got this sense as I was working on this book, you know, excavating this 100-point game. There's a comic book superhero quality to wilt, his life, his numbers. I interviewed ultimately 56 people who were there. 15 of them players, the broadcaster, the statistician, the shot clock operator, a number of fans. Look, Pablo, when you go back into this time, you're going back into a time when the NBA was a lounge act. It was a league in search of itself. The crowds weren't very big. The joke used to be that the PA announcer would introduce the players in the starting lineup and then would introduce each fan.

It was nine teams in the league, only one team west of St. Louis. that would be the Lakers who'd moved out a year before to the West. And the league was trying to grow new fans. And that's why they played in outlying areas that had its sizable arenas. The Lakers played a game in Portland. They played a game in Seattle. The Celtics played in Providence. And the Philadelphia Warriors played three games that year in Hershey.

This was the third of those games. You should know that Hershey, Pennsylvania, population in 1962, about 7,000, sits in the shadow of Amish country. That's where the chocolate capital of America is located, which doesn't entirely explain why there is no full recording of the Philadelphia Warriors game against the visiting New York Knicks on March 2nd, 1962. But electricity, in general, was scarce. The game wasn't televised. The NBA, as Gary said, was basically a lounge act,

but the sport was big enough for an AM radio station, WCAU Philadelphia. except it soon became clear, particularly to a legendary play-by-playman Bill Campbell, who was frantically calling technicians back at the station in Philly, that nobody involved with this broadcast had actually kept a tape of the game, which then created a puzzle of its own. Well, you have to realize back then, TV stations didn't save tapes. They were saving money.

and they were re-taping over these tapes. That's why they disappear with television. That's why they disappear some with radio. It was at game 75 in an 80-game season. But very recently, about 60-plus years later, something kind of crazy happened. Because we here at Pablo Torre finds out found a Philly basketball fan by the name of Sammy Marcus.

And Sammy Marcus had never given an interview about this before. But in 1962, Sammy used to listen to every Warriors radio broadcast. On March 2nd, however, that Friday, he decided to do something different. He went to go see the Elizabeth Taylor film Butterfield 8. And then... I came home from Matt, turned on the radio, just in time to hear Bill Campbell say, World Chamberlain just scored 100 points. 100 points fans. Oh my God, what a game to miss.

So I didn't give up. I thought, where else can I get this recorded? Called up a friend the next day, and he said that he had recorded it, but only the fourth quarter and only when the Warriors had quote. This is where I have the tape somewhere. And so Sammy ran over to his friend's house with his own recorder and microphone, And he bootlegged that puzzle piece right off the speakers. And it's a tape he still has today.

One of these is the tape. Just don't know which one. Oh, that's a Floyd Patterson Sunny Liston fight. Ah, this is the one. All of which is how the NBA got a copy of a grainy secondhand recording of history, or at least a fraction of that history. But as for the rest of Wilt's pivotal fourth quarter, including the Nix's possessions, the way we wound up finding that involved a different box entirely.

Hi, my name is Tessa Burns, and I'm archivist here at Hershey Community Archives. We are inside of our collection storage facility here at the Hershey Story Museum in Hershey, PA. We heard from the producers that Pablo Torre finds out asking us about one particular event in Hershey Sports History, which was Wilk Chamberlain's 100-point game at the Hershey Arena. And this puzzle piece, it turns out, was the full fourth quarter. But it wasn't taped in Hershey at all, actually. It was taped at UMass Amherst by an aspiring student broadcaster named Jim, who listened by rigging his transistor radio to the five-story heating pipe in his dormitory.

And that night, in that dorm, Jim broke out a reel-to-reel tape. quarter, apparently, the one his girlfriend had been using for elocution lessons. And many years later, those reels would finally find their way back home. So I did some searching in our collections, and I was very excited to find this box right here. So this is from our Hershey Entertainment and Resorts Company Collection. And when we look inside, I can see we have some audiovisual material, some CDs, set tape. And then the most exciting item here is this 5 and 3 quarter inch reel-to-reel tape. So this is an audio recording format.

It's magnetic media. If we look inside, you can see that we do have, in fact, the original tape. Not even the Basketball Hall of Fame has the tape of Wille's 100-point game, by the way, as their historian explained to us. They've never even had an official exhibit devoted to Wilt. but this show now has two independently sourced recordings of the pivotal fourth quarter, plus a third entirely different box of tapes that I need to tell you about. Because this is a box of tapes that contains Gary's interviews,

which we're going to curate for you as part of this exhibit here today. Well, that's the joy of it to me. You know, that's what the attorneys call discovery. You know, you go and immerse yourself fully. immersion. And I would travel far and wide to find these people. And it becomes, it becomes an obsession. You know, what about that? I called Bill Campbell so many times. I called, the last time I called him, I said, Bill, it's Gary Pomerant's. And he said, not again. And that's just, Bill, one more thing, one more question. We can relate. We can relate here. You know, Gary, one of our joys was that we actually

did unearth your 22-year-old interview tapes because at Emory University, at the rare book library manuscript collection number 890, we found your archive. And just tell me how you feel as we go back to March 1962. WCAU, WCAUFM in Philadelphia. The time is 3.30. We're ready to go. And here's Bill Campbell. There's the big fourth quarter. And everybody's thinking how many's work got to get. He's got 60. Well, Will's got 69 points going into the fourth quarter, right? And so he still needs 31 points. You know, that's a lot of points.

Rogers takes the jump shot. It's no good. Chamberlain with a rebound. And he just scored 28 points in the third quarter. And the Knicks are just going through the motions. It's a 10, 15, 20, point. lead the Warriors have. Inside to Adelts to Chamberlain.

He's got it. Every time he's got him. Jump up in a body. Now, the NBA didn't find out about this tape until 1990. And it's like, wait, what? That's just the way things were then. We're just conjecture here. How many can he make?

He's got nine minutes and 24 seconds left. and the guesses are running as high as 100. So this is Bill Campbell that you're hearing. This is the play-by-play announcer in Philly, WCAU, the radio broadcast. But it's one of your interviewees, a primary source here, who is in the game somewhere on the court, Joe Rucklick, that I wanted to ask you about, because Joe Rucklick sounds like he might be a guest on the McAfee show at times,

revisiting some of these tapes. hearing you in 03, talk to Joe Rucklick, is a time machine inside of a time machine. Well, Joe was the Kennedy liberal from Northwestern. When I got there as their first draft choice that season out of Northwestern behind Wilk. Wilt was technically first. He was Wilt's backup. Now, think about it. When you're the backup to a player who never comes out of the game, you don't play very much.

But he observed a lot. And he was a very keen observer. Joe also was into conspiracy theories. And Joe said, wait a minute, why did this tape just appear 28 years later? And Joe said, he questioned whether Bill Campbell had recreated it. I don't think Campbell was there. But you know what? So what are you saying?

If I get a tape, what are you saying about the tape? I think you get the last few minutes. I think it's only the last quarter. Yeah. Less than that. I've got it. You do? I think it's fake.

Really? Yeah. Real? Yeah. Why do you think it's fake? Well, his allegation seems to be even a little more pointed than that. It was that Bill Campbell wasn't even there, actually. He wasn't really the announcer.

If it's a fake, it illustrates the nonsense that the NBA perpetrates about those days. It was a Bush League. I mean, it was really. Bush. Bill Campbell was there. Bill Campbell and I spoke, and he talked about dreading going to Hershey, you know, for game 75 of an 80-game season. It was annoying because instead of doing a home game at home, we had to go to Hershey. Players weren't happy either. It's a long drive and it sure would be nice to be playing at, you know, at home in Philadelphia.

Wilt, in order to come to that game, took a train. I remember him being there early. But he remembered vividly the game and the details. Everything was such consummate and ease. It was effortless. They broke the ball up and he'd go out and get it and dunk it. They knew something unnatural was going to happen here. As for just how Bush League, Game 75 really was, I should acknowledge that Joe Rucklick, dead wrong,

about the tape of the fourth quarter being this false flag operation. Also, relatedly, it's funny that, None of the online conspiracists that we mentioned before did enough research to be able to cite Joe Rucklick's theory in the first place. But it is pretty easy to imagine why the whole event did feel a bit confused. This is played in an arena that's built for a hockey, the hockey team, the Hershey Bears. There's not during this game a big screen where it says number 13, big fella, how many shots attempted, made, free throws, attempted, made, assists, etc. There's just a cold, metallic, boxy scoreboard up in the netherland of this place that says, you know, Philadelphia, New York.

Even the people are watching the game don't have context. But Wilk Chamberlain, as he later explained in an interview with Bob Costas, was keeping score. The game starts, I'm fairly warm. I'm really warm from the foul. I'm not missing anything for the problem. That should gave me some kind of hint that, you know. You made 28 of 32 from the foul line that night, which is good for anybody and staggering for you.

I appreciate that, right. Stagging, staggering for me, you understand? But I was even better than that to first say, if I was missing nothing. I was 100%, 100%, remember, you know. So I said, hey, you know, things are going pretty good. And I had, I think, like, 40, 40, 40, 40 points at halftime. And I was shooting well.

And one big reason, Will it was playing so well is that the Knicks starting center was out sick and apparently kind of hung over. And so yes, Wilt would go on to average 50 points a game that season, but the man primarily tasked with stopping the single most unstoppable offensive performance in basketball history, arguably all a sports history, was not supposed to be starting that night. And instead, what he became was the answer to a tributtal.

a question forever this is an interview with darrell imhoff i am h o f f in eugene oregon on july 8th 2003 by the way i tape i double tape in case one tape failed okay isn't that's interesting yeah so gosh darrell was a second year player 610 left-handed and um you know he was primarily primarily primarily a defender. At times a rough defender, he would become known as the axe for axing, you know, shooters' arms. You know, wilt was an attraction, and I was going to have to spend the next that night in his armpits, so I wasn't looking forward to that. And one of the things that was so interesting, he was then working in Eugene, Oregon at the U.S. Basketball Academy, a training ground and we walked by an open court and I said, Darrell, could you come here for a second? I stood in the

middle of the lane. I said, show me how you defended Wilt that night. Wilf him off said with arches back and it was like a tree, and Darrell's behind him down low. He said it was like a tree was going to fall down on me. I said, so what would you do? And he said, I did this and he took the point of his elbow and put it in my rhomboids right between the shoulder blades. And Darrell could still inflict some pain all these years later. But he said he would position himself behind when Wilts down on the offensive left side, down by where we would now see the block. The block didn't exist then. And he would put his knee into Wilts the back of his thigh to collapse his leg. He would put his foot inside a Wilts left foot to keep him from turning in. Darrell played only 20 minutes and

fouled out. He was in and out of the game, so he played some in the second half. six fouls covering wilt. The tallest next tallest player, the Knicks had was six foot eight rookie Cleveland Buckner. Six eight, they said 210 pounds. Uh-uh. He's probably 185, 190. He was a stick. He scored 33 points that night, too, I might add.

It was a career night for him. What a night to have a career night. Seven and a half minutes are left. when wilt, he scores, and Harvey Pollack, the statistician, he passes over a sheet of paper to the PA announcer, the great Dave Zinkoff. Zincoff then announces, Willett Chamberlain has just set a new record for most points in a game. He has 79 points, breaking his 78 points scored in a three-overtime game earlier that season. And while he's announcing that, Willt makes shooting underhanded. Two more free throws to go to 80 and 81.

And during the announcement, Chamon goes right ahead through the announcement and makes a foul. They're still making the announcement. He makes another foul. Schameron and Indian and Whitson. He just made two straight fouls. He now has 81 points. Granny's style.

Granny style. He looked ridiculous doing it because he's so big. He would squat down low. His knees would flare out. He looked like an adult trying to sit in a kindergartner's chair. What did Daryl say to you particularly, Gary, if you recall in your interview with him, about the refs? He just thought they loved Wilt. And, you know, that at one point they called a foul against him off that Huff did not think was a foul.

And he started back and in and I held my position and Willie Smith called me for a foul. And I said, Lily, I got, I'm allowed a position. And I said, why should give the 100 points, we'll all go home? I mean, you did say that. You said, why I said that? Why don't you give him 100 points? I'll go home. And he did.

Going in for the layup, up with a shot, no good. Chamberlain rebounds and scores, and he's fouled. 145 to 126. Darrell Imov fouled him. He has 83. And the game took on, you know, Daryl would call it a farce. A farce. My word is a farce.

It was a farce of a game. It was not, I don't think it was a legit type of thing where a guy goes out in the course of the event. I mean, we had guys score 60 points. Things where guys had. individual performances that I just don't I don't see out of. So this is where I need to observe that everybody who's been trying to undermine Wilts record by asking if it really happened has been asking the wrong question. Because what Darrell Imhoff is arguing here as one of the principles

is not that the 100-point game never took place. What Darrell is arguing is that compared to other great performances, Wilts 100 was abnormal and ultimately illegitimate, to the point of being, quote, a farce. With seven and a half minutes to play and everybody realizing now what the stakes were, the Knicks started not quite stalling, but sort of, a couple extra passes, then they start running a weave down court, taking the ball in 94 feet from the basket.

The Warriors start committing fouls of the Knicks to get the ball back quicker to get the ball to wilt. They're in cross court to butcher as much time as they can. Butchered to the circle and foul by Rogers. Warriors figure the only way to combat the New York stall is to come out and file the backcourt them themselves. If somebody walked into the arena and they see the Warriors fouling and the Knicks stalling, they're going to think the Knicks are ahead by 20, not the Warriors. That's where it breaks down. Norse is fouled by Joe Ruckling and all they almost came to blows.

New York, of course, you can understand the Knickerbockers feeling. They're a little upset. I'm going to rubbed in a little bit like this with a guy on a scoring rampart. Whether or not it would become a farce is a serious question. You know, when the structure of the game breaks down and the team that's 20 points behind is stalling. Something's weird. Something strange.

Yeah, you've got a situation where you're beating somebody intentionally. make something happen. But that's what was going on. I mean, it wasn't in the flow of the game. Now, the first half, you know, the first half, two-will or the first three-quarters, it was certainly in the flow of the game. But when they started doing some things intentionally

to foul and getting him the ball and left him in the game when the game was already over, I mean, it was obviously they were out to prove something, and so they did. There's a moment, you know, just in terms of recreating

when people began to realize we're witnessing something that we'll be talking about forever. There's the moment where Bill Campbell, the play-by-play guy on the radio broadcast says, Come on a night. Work this night down. Chamberlain on the line.

Palf shot up in the air. He has 84. 146 to 126. If you know anybody not listening, call them up. A little history you're sitting in on tonight. This brings us, as we get deeper into the fourth quarter, Gary, to the 98 point mark. So the psychology of the 98 point moment here. Who gets the ball to wilt? How does this play unfold here?

Well, there's a guard named York Larisi, and he's leading the fast break. And so he doesn't see wilt behind him, but he hears the big fella, the mighty huff and puff. He feels the vibration of the floor when Chamberlain's moving. And so he just, as he's going straight at the basket, he doesn't distribute left or right, he just sort of throws the ball up and can. continues on underneath the basket, past the baseline, and out of play, at which point he looks back and sees Wilt, the mighty dipper, grabbing the ball, fully extended my arms leaving the screen,

and then slams it in one movement. Larisi with a ball down the right side, passes the chamber, and he's open, he shoots his dog. What was the call? What was the sequence of events to get to the number? Well, Willett would have three attempts at the 100. basket. And in fact, one of them came after he scored on that slam dunk to hit 98. He started to run down court and quickly turned around and stole the ball and missed it from around the free throw

line. Then he'd get two more attempts. And there's 50 seconds left and now the Warriors have the ball and Guy Rogers who would have 20 assists on this night, a wonderful passer. He throws the ball down court, length of the court, to Wilt, who jumps, catches it because the next tallest snake is five inches shorter. Rogers throws one to Chamberlain.

He's got it. He's trying to get up. He shoots no good. The rebound, Luckinville. And Ted Luckinville, a rookie, comes in, gets the rebound, gets it to Wilt again. Back to Chamberlain. He shoots up. No good.

Get it out. He misses Luckin Bill again. The rebound, Wollt. Bill. That's the luckwood. In the generalized moment for the fans and for Wilt, until he gets to the locker room and sees the statute. He's sitting next to Al Adels.

And he's shaking his head, and Adels said, What's the matter, big fella? He said, I can't believe I took 63 shots, 21 of them in the fourth quarter. And Adel said, that's okay. You made 36 of them. That's all right. The criticism against Will is not his athleticism.

It's always that he cared more about himself and his own statistics rather than the greater good of the team. And this night, he thought, for many years, reflected that criticism in a big way. And, yeah, I understand why. I mean, it's worth remembering here that the most enduring image of that night, the thing that everybody remembers still today, was the big dipper holding a piece of paper with a number of points. points he scored written on it. But the person responsible for that meme, it turns out, was not Will Chamberlain. It was the same Warriors statistician that Gary mentioned earlier.

A man named Harvey Pollock. Harvey Pollock was a legend in Philadelphia basketball. He was an employee of the Philadelphia Warriors, then the Philadelphia 76ers for six decades. And at the time this game is being played, he's known as the octopus because he would send out a Christmas card every year with the octopus, each arm representing another thing he did. On this night, when Will's score is 100, Harvey is the statistician. He is a publicist who's got to arrange any interviews. He's writing the game story for the Philadelphia Inquirer who didn't care enough about it to send anybody. He's writing for AP and he's writing for United Press.

that's a lot of work. And in fact, when he finished the scorekeeping and added stuff up, he thought, oh, my, what if Will ends out with 98 points? Well, you know, one of the things you hear on the radio is, I think, three times the final score is 169 to 150. Pitcher breaks down for an easy layup, but he's got it. 169 to 150. Yeah, I was going to mention this. Yeah.

And the Knicks, now we look back on it and see the Knicks had 147. And no one could reconcile that for me. I think it was just sort of this slapdash nature of the whole night. And this was one more aspect of it. Oh, yeah, the Knicks, well, it doesn't matter what the Knicks got. You know, all that matters is what Will God. Right. There was the discrepancy between what the radio announcer was saying versus the official score.

There's all this confusion. You hear it on the tape a couple of times. But what the octopus, he makes sure to establish that there is no ambiguity around how many points Will Chamberlain scored because he does the thing that results in the one piece of evidence that I think every basketball fan has seen. Pollock looks around and says, Heff to Jim Heffernan, the sports writer of the Philadelphia bulletin, let me borrow a sheet of paper. And he takes out what was a magic marker. I don't think they had Sharpies in 1962. I may be wrong on that. and he writes 1-0-0.

And it's the backstory to this classic photo. And that might be the best picture in basketball history because of what it represents and who it represents. It's the dipper on his night. Remember, this is a time when the NBA, even its statistics in the way stats were kept, they didn't count block shots. You know, somebody said, how many shots did Will Block?

I don't know. I don't know. We just have the numbers that they kept. Did the Knicks score 147 or 150? I don't know. I don't know. But to me, it was about getting to the essence of this story. There are some questions.

Whether or not it happened is not a question. So this is where I should point out what might now feel obvious, which is that every person that Gary Pomerantz has mentioned to this point, every voice you've heard on this episode has passed away. This will forever be a story about hidden boxes and lost recordings and secondary sources and truly tricky ambiguities, which is something that Will Chamberlain himself, who died in 1999, eventually learned to accept. I used to hate the fact that there was no video of it, but as time goes on, I think it kind of

Add to the mystique of the game. Or in the words of Gary Pomerantz. And, you know, the baseball great Ted Williams used to say his dream was that when he walked down the street, people would point at him and say, there goes the greatest hitter in baseball history. Will came to realize that people would point at him as he walked down the street and say, there goes the guy who scored 100 points in a game. And he came to like it. But in our research near the end here, we were able to. find one last primary source for the online exhibit we've been building. A person who, at 86 years young, still has a unique and even poetic perspective on what really happened in Hershey,

Pennsylvania on March 2, 1962. Tom, give me the pronunciation of your name. I just want to make sure I'm getting it right. Macheri. Okay, good, good, good, good. Didn't know where the the accent or the stress was going to be, but Masheri makes sense. My third grade teacher called the Masheri Amour. Yes, a different nickname for a bruiser power forward. The one that pretty much stuck was the Mad Manchuria. That had to do with my birthplace. I was born in Manchuria, which is in China now, white Russian parents, and I was an immigrant kid. I came to the United States after the Second World War. My parents, My mother and I and my sister were interned in a Japanese concentration camp in Japan during the war.

And then we came to the United States via the Red Cross to San Francisco mark where my father was waiting for us. And that's kind of where I learned. San Francisco is where I learned how to play basketball. And Tom O'Sherry really was good at basketball. The Warriors, who eventually relocated from Philly to the Bay Area, retired his number. And Tom was in the starting lineup playing 40 minutes. right alongside his teammate, Will Chamberlain, in Hershey, Pennsylvania, on the day in question.

And while Tom would go on to spend 24 years as a high school English teacher and also write five books of poetry and six novels and two memoirs, on my mother's side, I'm related to the local story. He still thinks about Hershey all the time, in part because it was his very, first season in the NBA. Talk about lucking out, huh? I got off the plane.

I was pretty naive. I just walked into this fantastic moment. I'm getting the sense that as much as you were a guy who was not there to shoot that night, you enjoyed spectating yourself. I was mesmerized. I mean, for one thing, I was a rookie. Imagine being a rookie from the West Coast. coming to the East Coast being part of the NBA.

I mean, this was like a dream film. A well-deserves not to be questioned. My daughter called me up. She's a eighth-grade middle school teacher, and she provided me with the news that some of her kids, you know, think the Will's 100-point game was fake news, just because there was no video of it. Yeah, look, the question.

of why people question it? For me, that's a very simple answer. I think we have a whole society that has anybody can say anything to want. And there's no fact checks and nobody believes in fact checks. Nobody believes in honesty. I mean, it's, we're in a really troubled times. They'll believe all sorts of conspiracy stuff. Well, one of the things I wanted to fact check with you was a theory of a different kind.

Because one of the people that was interviewed by Gary Pomerantz in his book is a gentleman by the name of Daryl Imhoff. You remember Daryl in some? Sure. Sure, I remember Daryl. I've chased him in the stands and almost beat him to death. Why? Why did you do that, Tom? Because I hated it, Darry.

I'm getting the sense that the Mad Manchurian, may have also earned that nickname because you also tried to hit Daryl with a chair. Oh, yeah, I forgot to mention that chair. Yeah, it just sort of appeared in my hand. But I bring up Daryl Imhoff now, not simply because you have this personal backstory with him, but because I need you to help fact-check something that he told Gary Pomerant's that we discovered in the course of fact-checking the story of that night. Because the allegation that Daryl makes, of course, is not that.

the 100 points did not happen. He was there. He, in fact, personally was responsible for quite a number of those points, trying to guard wilt. The allegation that Daryl Imhoff made on tape was this, quote, the 100-point game was a farce. Well, I say sour grapes, kid, you know, you got smoke and, you know, filed out, and somebody else filled in for you. And you couldn't stop Wilk, nobody could stop Wilk that night.

So it's just sour grapes. I could just say your defense was a forest. That's why Wilk scored. If you want to be a forest, maybe I should have punched out and off a little more. I don't think anybody could have guarded Wilk that night. I don't think Shaq at his very best of guarded Wilk that night. Rilk was indomitable that night. everything he threw up on end.

It was a spiritual day. And if Darrell thinks it was manufactured, it was manufactured by the Lord God himself. I've never heard that Daryl said that. That makes me angry. That makes me really angry. He accused you guys of pouring it on. Of course, we part.

Absolutely reported on. port it on because we were going to help our teammates score 100 points. There's nothing wrong with that. What I saw was a destruction. Unless my eyes were failing me, I saw destruction. So this is where I do need to jump in here and let cooler heads prevail for a second, for the sake of posterity, if nothing else. Because, yes, I have apparently go to the Bad Manchurian at age 86 back into bloodlust,

but also because the thing that courses inside of Tom, the thing in his blood, as mentioned before, is really poetry. I grew up listening to poetry from my mother and my father. And so you may not be surprised to find out at this point that the Big Dipper was not just a teammate and a friend to Tom, but also a muse. I wrote a poem last night.

I don't know. I think because I was going to be on your Zoom and I was thinking about it. Would you mind reading some of the poem that you just wrote last night for me? Is that? I thought you'd never ask. I was wondering when the Mad Manchurian

might read from his latest work. Okay, let me give it a try, okay? Please. Rilts ghost, March 2nd, 2025. Can you imagine on this day when Welts scored 100 points in a single game in Chocolate Town? His ghost striding onto the court of Chase Arena, 6th. decades later, followed by his teammates in that game, all gone. Harrison, Gola, Rogers, Adels, and the rest,

except for me, waiting my turn to be a ghost. Chearing like crazy for the Dipper, because he always belonged in the sky. Tom, the Mad Manchurian, the poet laureate of the NBA. You contain multitudes, and you observed multitudes, and I very, very sincerely thank you for joining us.

You're very well. This has been Pablo Torre finds out, a Metal Arc Media production. And I'll talk to you next time.