Page 7 - Dark Sided - Facelifts and Feuds and Freaky Boyfriends

Episode Date: September 26, 2026

Kara and Jackie are BACK with more of the DARK SIDED, including the return of 'The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City' in all their TIGHT glory, and in more Mormon wives news, Taylor Frankie Paul is poppin' off on the first episode of 'The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives' with rumors swirling, and the multiple failed drug tests might confirm them. At least one wife has left with more hinting of their soon departure. 'A Killer Story' has everyone on the edge of their seats. Carrot Top has awoken, but the rumors that it was caused by sextortion weren't just a nightmare. Kate Beckinsale seems to be going through it, but not as much as her daughter's boyfriend (who is a human). Jackie finally dove into 'Next Gen NYC' and the Gen Z stare is there. Updates, but not really updates, on the sexual assault case against Kim Zolciak's son, KJ Biermann Jr.. A friend of Perez Hilton setup a GoFundMe for the kids and here's just hoping they're okay. Then we have an EVIL LIST of 'Celebs Who Basically Blew Up Their Lives After Doing Something Shockingly Self-Destructive!'! And finally we're bringin' some BITCHUATIONS your way with TWO VOICEMAILS FROM BITCHLINGS! Our first voicemail comes from a listener who wants to know if they're the 'Neighborhood C Word' when it comes to their grammatical criticism of a neighbors political signs, even though they agree with the sentiments. And our final voicemail comes from a listener who lost some business after sending a toke fueled DM to their clients very famous daughter-in-law.Want even more Page 7? Support us on Patreon! Patreon.com/Page7Podcast Subscribe to SiriusXM Podcasts+ to listen to new episodes of Page 7 ad-free.Start a free trial now on Apple Podcasts or by visiting siriusxm.com/podcastsplus. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Come see the darker. You did it. You didn't do it right. I went sears. I went all sears. I'm so sorry. You went all sears. I was like, I went softer.

I went sears. I literally did the whole thing wrong. I dare say it's... No, we're not cutting. We're keeping it, Kara. I want everyone to hear how much we were raised by television, okay? That the seers is seared into our brain. I will honestly tell you, I don't know if I've ever been in a Sears.

Whoa. I don't, we didn't have one around me growing up. Do they still exist? No, they don't. They're all closed. But come see the soccer side of seven. It's in my mind forever. Yes, and it's not going to be soft here.

No. It's very, very hard here. My name is Jackie Zabrowski. Welcome to page seven, dark-sided. And my name is Kara Clank, a name of plosives only. A name of a hard, like, yeah, it's here. That's how hard we are.

I'm here to be hard as hell. Yeah, we're hard about lots of things and I'm not talking about my weiner. I'm talking about the stuff we're talking about. Yeah, because guys, we're going to talk about Caratop today. We're going to talk about Cindy Crawford's son today. A lot of things have gone south this week in general. Yeah. Also, the president started state-run media.

Sure. But we don't have to get into that. I'm just saying. That's not what's going to be happening here. I will say I'm pretty sure they don't want to pick this show up on Trump TV. And I know. We, look, in solidarity with the major networks as well as Politico and CNN, we will also not be covering the White House.

Yes. So you will hear but hear nothing from us. Nothing from us. And even though you know you come here for it. Yeah. I'm going to say, I'm going to speak for the entire last podcast network. The entire network, we are not covering the White House. We're not covering the White House.

We're not covering the foreign report. No, no, no, no. Yes. Yeah. He's probably still. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Over here, guys, we are getting into the, ooh, the scary, the dark side of celebrity gossip today. And honestly, this week, sadly, is given in the SADS department. It is, this was a rough week, guys, but also don't worry, real housewives of Salt Lake City also dropped its first episode. So it wasn't all bad this week. But even that was very sad and dark. Do you know, Kara, I am going to say I completely forgot that Robert Cosby Jr. died. You forgot?

I forgot. I don't know. And I know that Mary Cosby didn't forget. We're talking about real housewives of Salt Lake City because the first episode dropped. And I was immediately devastated because I wanted more than one episode. Yeah. And honestly, most of the episode was reminding us all that Robert Jr. died. And can we just say, I think, that the editing of this episode should win something?

It is like really the amount that they use the death of a young person to be like, but it brings these ladies together. Also the fact that they were able to literally show us an entire cast of woman as well as their friend, the child's mom. And by child, we mean this was a 21-year-old man. He was a man, but he struggled with drugs and sadly died a few months ago. And I had not forgotten, but it's obviously always sad to see an entire cast people that knew him personally get the news. And they're all like reacting kind of and they all get together. But it's so crazy to me that the show also managed to introduce us to Heather's sketchy new boyfriend.

Don't worry about that. They also managed to throw in that Whitney and Meredith are still not doing well. And that Meredith got like a full facelift. It's all still in the episode. We have to talk about that. The entire episode is just people solemnly sitting around talking about the fleeting nature of life and how we have to hold our babies close to us at night because you never know how much time you have with them. No, no, no.

We still got facelifts and futes and freaky boyfriends. We got that all in there. But can you believe, Kara, that Meredith Marks got a facelift, I didn't truly think she could get any tighter. It was when they did a side-by-side, I was like, you. You guys are pushing it. You guys are pushing it. I barely can tell. She's blinking her lips, though, because the thing is that you think you can't tell.

And then you see her at different angles, and I'm just like, oh, my God. Like, there's nothing else to pull. There's nothing on her face. It's tighter than a drum. I just, man, do I want to bounce quarters off her face so desperately? I just can't believe that it. I mean, I can believe it. There is something about Salt Lake that's kind of fun.

because they don't care about, like, no one's trying to pretend, oh, no, I just got a chemical peel. They're all just like, oh, no, I got yanked. Like, they all don't care. Like, in Utah, there's so much about the culture there that I'm not down with. And then, but their attitudes toward plastic surgery, I'm like, you guys are all letting it hang out there. I mean, you're not letting your skin hang out.

Yeah, no. But you're all letting the truth about it hang out, you know? Like, they're all saying, like, they're all like, oh, yeah, I got this done. And then, oh, yeah, well, I can't do that next week because I have my bluff. You know? And then, oh, I'm probably still going to be sore because of my tits. They're just talking about it. Sadly, I do feel that it is a lot to do with the Mormon culture of like this forced ideology of what they're supposed to look like.

Unless we forget that Meredith is a Jew. She has converted. She had a bat mitzvah last season. I forgot that she had a bar mitzvah last week. If you've never seen a grown woman trying to get into a temple but can't figure out how while another grown woman is being bot mitzvahed inside the temple. And you're just seeing like a woman kind of knocking on window. It's one of the funniest things I've ever seen in my life. Yeah.

I love this show and I'm so happy that it's back. I missed all of them so much. Honestly, I'm kind of happy that it comes out around the same time as the five episodes of Secret Lives of Mormon Wives because I don't know if you ended up finishing it. Oh, I did. I finished. Because, of course, you got to slurp it up. You got to slurp this toxic waste up into your mouth.

And I do love that last week on Dark Sighted, you were like, I don't even know if I can watch this because the mental health is so. bad and we well I had already finished four and a half episodes I did that I just had to watch the last 20 minutes I just had to watch the last half of an episode I think I thought there was more but there were only five

yes I was like oh I'm not that far along but I was I was done already far along I just don't know about the second half I don't know what the second dump is going to be I don't know but it is crazy that in the first five episodes you do see Taylor Frankie Paul man pop off so fast that it makes me, it's like, unfortunately, we do have an update on Taylor Frankie Paul this week. And that is, we are probably going to have like a TFP corner.

Like we just talk about Taylor Frankie Paul once a week. Once we're like, do do do do do, do what's going on with her this week? She has failed multiple drug tests. And now her children are being kept away from her and she's only allowed to see them. Two of the children, she's allowed to see four hours per week. And then the other child Everleap allowed to see four hours per week. So eight hours total. And that is, that is really bad.

That is to a level that I'm happy that the kids are getting the separation to that I'm sure that they so desperately need. But watching how quickly she went zero to a thousand. I guess I like, I'm so dumb about drugs. I'm always like, you know, when I see the housewives go, like slurring. I'm like, yeah, you're mixing your pills with your drugs. Because I'm assuming that they're taking a little bit of Xanax to get the edge off.

When I, like, I think a lot of people, I've read online people say, it's been snowing at Taylor Frankie Paul's house for a while now, okay? So, but I've never thought, oh, this woman does cocaine. I just thought, wow, this woman is like literally just losing her mind because she's on reality TV and because she's a product of the Mormon church, which has like, which turned her into a wife and a mother when she was so young. and now she's got a little bit of freedom,

even though she has three kids, and she's going nuts. I just never thought that it would be like the cocaine, and I guess it is. Well, I will say, we don't know what the drugs say, but that's just what people are saying. That's what people are saying.

And it would explain a little bit of the volatility of like popping out, like how she just pops all the way off, yeah. Not that I would, you know, not that I've ever, you know. I mean, we pop off. We just do it soberly. That's the, you know, we just,

I'm just like, oh, you're just yelling at me at 2 p.m. on a Wednesday, and I'm like, and I'll do it again. Right. Right. But I, I, watching this show, I know now, you know, we know that Michaela is not going to be joining for, she's not continuing on. There's talks of the other ladies not continuing on. I know for some people, they just don't care whatsoever about any of this. It really is crazy, though, where reality television has come, that we're watching this. that, like, we know it was just shot a couple of months ago because we were watching all this stuff happen, you know? And I, there is, there's something disgusting about the real timidness kind of about it.

How quick it is, because now they're pumping it out so fast. Oh, but they pump and dump it out. In fact, speaking of something not pumped and dumped out, I do want to at least sprinkle in here a killer story because Kara brought it up last week. and good Lord when you were like I only watched the first episode

and I was absolutely gripped I was like all right it's true crime oh it's like a okay this but I'm telling you man HBO does it the stuff HBO does

is better it just is better and it's so good it's so good and I guess there's only three episodes total there's only three 40 minutes episodes

I thought that we're gonna be like 10 I need more of it it is the investigation of a 2002 double murder done in Alma, Kansas, and the whole show, the three episodes, are about a couple that watched the trial happen, and they feel that the woman that was arrested

was wrongly incriminated. Yeah. And so... And convicted. And convicted. And so you find out early in the story that the conviction gets overturned after years. But that's early in this three episodes.

So that's why I was like, all right, well, what's going to happen if they're telling us, men, ah, those editors, oh, they know what they're doing because I gripped. And I was so upset because we were just going to watch the first episode. We finished it immediately was like, next, watch the next episode. And then I flipped out. Now we have to wait for the third one. Because at least. It's not out.

Well, as of this episode, it came out last night. But we haven't watched it yet. We haven't watched it yet. And now you, at home, go, if you haven't watched them, go slurp up all. three episodes because we are devastated that we can't get to finish it right now. I want... It's great though. This couple

is like so funny and this woman just sent this New York Times reporter thousands of emails. 3,000 emails. And he calls her pen pal. And it's just so funny that he's like, so then pen pal sends me another 10 emails or whatever. And she's collecting evidence and she's sending it all to him and then finally it gets his attention

when it gets overturned. Essentially in real time as she's finding out this evidence. It's great. And her amazing husband who like he was like I thought god told me I was a trash man but turns out I got rid of that company and now I'm a lawyer and it's like wow I mean I guess if I believed in God would that be what God is telling me don't be a trash woman anymore it's time for you to be a lawyeress justing Jackie it's time for you to be the CEO of a mid-size cookie corporation I don't know God, oh God, I sound like Hannah Swenson on the chocolate chip cookie mystery murders that MJ reads.

And it's always like, I bake a cookie, I solve a crime. Oh my God, I don't even know what you're talking about. And I think it should stay that way. Every one of the books has recipes at the top of every chapter, but it's also this woman who happens to be a baker. Everybody in the town is like, but she's old and fat, even though she's not, they turn it into a whole line of hallmark movies. Oh, my God. And she's never the killer, but she always happens upon the. the killings and her baked goods are always a part of it.

And I'm pretty sure you should look at that fat single bitch. But just saying, sorry, everyone, the joke in the hallmark is that everyone's just like, and you're not even married yet. And she's like 30, you know, and everyone's just like, well, if you keep beating those cookies, you're never going to get married. I'm sure. It's a lot of that conversation, which is why I'm saying it like this in case you guys were wondering.

But yeah, killer story. the people are so funny and interesting. I re-listened to our episode. I just called it interesting 75 times because I don't want to give anything away about it. I love that. It's just great. So watch that.

Loved that. And also two 40-minute episodes, there's something about when you know, it's like, all right, I'm not like digging in that this is going to be the beginning of my holiday season of taking this down,

which, I mean... I just can't believe they're going to get to the end of it by next week. I... But it's happening. in like real time, like as they're shooting the actual docu series, I love this shit, Kara.

It's good. God. And it's like, whenever I think I'm out of true crime, it pulls me back in. Yeah. Because I always think I'm like, I'm not going to be surprised. I'm not going to be surprised anymore. But sometimes you aren't. And I think it's because of outs after the pastor's wife last week

that I was just like, okay, it's like, oh, bad pastor. Well, don't ask me, the like, you know, the, not God-fearing person that I'm like this guy, you know what I mean? Yeah. But, you know, different strokes for different folks. I guess there's different strokes coming out of Carrot Top's life,

but we are probably not going to see the strokes that he was doing on the sex tape. We got to talk about, we're going to talk about this. I'm going to let everybody know that at the point of which we are recording this, as of right now, Carrot Top has woken up. And if you were wondering, what did he wake up from? really, really bad dream. And the bad dream was him. Now it has been put out there that he was trying to die by suicide.

And they don't know if these two things are related. Okay, guys. What's the other thing? He's also being extorted by a sex. Sex-storted. As they call it. Sex-storted. And there's been a lot of talks.

being like, it had nothing to do with each other. But I don't know how it wouldn't. But I think it's because a lot of the conversation would be, well, what's on that sex tape that you would choose to not go on living? Yeah, that's the thing. You're either doing something extremely illegal or there's maybe like an animal involved. Something or is like a Reagan? mask. Like I feel... Yeah, or it's like a weird little role play that is going to get people. I don't know how

anybody could look at Carrotop in a way. And like, to me, he could make it funny. If it was fun, if it was anything just weird, it must be illegal if it's, if it is tied to this attempt. Yes. And maybe we're going to find out if it is right after this commercial break. Spoiler or not. We didn't, we don't. And we're not. We didn't actually, over the commercial break, We didn't come up with much. We didn't know. We didn't ask the sponsor. They didn't know even if we had.

So it is something that I guess I want to say I hope that we come around to a. There were a lot of like really beautiful attributes to him online of people that I respect that are like, you've always been so great to me. You've always been so lovely. Like in Lisa in the comedy community, people seem to think he's great. Yes. I don't really know that I've, he's been a bit of a puncher. line for my life, but like not in a way where I'm like, if I met,

if Carotrop walked into a room that I was in, I wouldn't be like, ew, gross and run away. You know what's really crazy, Kara? As somebody that did sketch comedy for a very long time, it is fascinating how many people disparage a prop comedian. I think it's difficult

to be a prop comedian, okay? You got to have confidence to be a prop comedian. You try smashing a watermelon on the first hammer. Yeah, all right? Because you know that I wouldn't be able to get all the way through the watermelon. And then you'd be judging me, okay? Because he was able to keep a Vegas residency alive for a very, very, very long time.

Yeah, that's another thing, too. You're big. If you're, we've all seen hacks. And you're keeping Vegas? You know, to keep a residency going in Vegas, people are still seeing the shows. You can go to Vegas for a couple months. But to go to Vegas and be there for a long time. Crazy. And Caratop has been there for such a lot. a long time and I feel like the idea of him in Vegas is so strapped to the idea of Vegas too. I feel like Caratop is such a Vegas act in that way that like a pen and teller is, you know, like a Siegfried and Roy used to be.

The other thing that was when you first told me about the sexortion was like, yeah, but isn't everybody being extorted at this point? Like that's what I'm saying. It has to be pretty bad because if it's just like a run of the mill sex tape, everyone's got one of those. At this point, if you listen to my other podcast, we just did an episode about Roblox. I mean, like, there's little kids. What's happening on Roblox? Kids should not be playing Roblox.

It's bad. And there's people on there that are like, send me a naked picture. I guess I'm scared. Don't worry. I won't start now. Will I be sex storted if I play Roblox? It's like you're not dumb, I don't think, to send like a tit pick to some stranger. And then they're going to say, send me $500 or all.

I mean, that's low-key sex store. You know, that's low level. Yeah. But, like, people are getting sex-storted all over the place. I'm, I will say that I'm hoping, and maybe this is all the desperate housewives that I've been watching, I'm really hoping that it's not like he is a closeted, homosexual, and that that's the reason. Oh, yeah. Like, in our, this our lord's 2026, I would hope that Caratop would know that he could be whatever Carat Top needs to be. If he's a carrot top or a carrot bottom, we're fine with whatever you're doing, Mr. Carrot.

We're happy for you. Pull it out. Whatever you do. Shub it back in the dirt, whatever you need. Averse carrot. We're totally down with whatever. Whatever you're looking into as long as it was consensual with someone of age and it wasn't, you know, a sheep or something. Consensual, someone of age. And I don't think that animals can really give consent. And I wouldn't, I would be okay if you were just, you know, shoving carrots up your ass. and maybe you feel weird about that because it's your namesake. But I feel like that's something that we could talk through,

like in a community-wide therapy kind of way. Yeah, it's not worth dying for. No, it's not. But maybe it's a totally different thing. I mean, I'm sure he'll give an interview at some point. No matter what I just know, can you imagine waking up after that? Like, if you're going through all this.

Yeah. And, you know, they're now saying that his eyes are open. He is awake. and he doesn't want to be. Well, but maybe now he's seeing all the love people have sent him. We send him you love, Karatopper, sending love down the well. I hope that it is that we don't find out in the next like 48 hours that it's all horrific. Everything is like no.

We're, let's let's have a little, little bit of hope out there, guys, come on. A little, let's throw a little dark-sided hope towards me. Mr. Carrot Top. Towards Mr. Carrot Top because we're certainly, we're not, I guess we're also sending it towards Kate Beckinsale too. It's going on with her. Kate Beckinsale. What's going on, girl? Is this something like, talk about another person that we know that you need to talk this out. And we know that Kate Beckinsale has had, you know, she's been open with struggling with, with multiple things over time. But the other day on, on Kate Beckinsale. Beck and Sales social media, she put up a cryptic post of an all black screen and it just said by written on the Instagram story. And then there was another Instagram story right after it that posted a picture of a rainbow with the text, congratulations, you won, I give up. And then they were deleted and then her entire Instagram was wiped. And internet is losing it.

It's mind. Well, what do people think? It just sounds like it's like, I'm sick of you, guys. Bye. You know, you hope that. It is just, it makes me think of like, did you ever used to leave like cryptic, sad aim away messages? You know, like, I used to put the lyrics of like,

don't fear the Reaper in, you know what I mean? When my brother and his now wife, like, would sort of break up in college and stuff. And, like, he would just put like M&M lyrics and shit on his Facebook. I'd be like, oh, looks like there's trouble over in the dorms, you know? And I am hoping that we are treating this with way, with like, with way too little respect. I do. Like, I mean, I guess. Well, I mean, I hope we're not, I guess.

Is it like leaving social media or is it I'm leaving the planet? I mean, no one knows. It's scary, Kara. And I think that it's social media. I'm assuming it's social media. But of course, we're talking, this is, this has been a big week of upsetting things, you know. we've got the Kim Zolsiac stuff still's going on. I, of course, immediately thought you were referring to Kate Beck and Sale

telling multiple outlets that her daughter's boyfriend laid an egg. You know, multiple outlets that her daughter's boyfriend laid an egg. You brought this up to me. Twice in a week, he laid an egg. Wait, so twice in a week that she said that he laid an egg or that the boy gave birth to two eggs? That he gave birth to two eggs? Where are the eggs coming out of him? out of the bottom or out of the top?

She insists that they pass through his body like a hen's egg complete with a hard shell and a yolk that appeared partially cooked or hard-boiled inside of him. I feel like this is trying to crib on whalefall. I feel like they're trying to be like if you, if I don't know what that, what is that? Oh man, whale fall. It's this movie that I've been,

I've been excited about for a while. It's based on a book that I have not read that a lot of people love and it's called Whalefall and it is about Austin Abrams. is a diver and his father goes missing and he gets swallowed by a whale and he's like looking for his father and the whole movie is him swallowed by a whale. So it's Jonah and the whale like...

It's inside the whale and everyone's like, you understand it's so good. And I was like from inside the whale and now the more I hear about everyone's like, whale falls gonna be amazing. Okay, he's followed by a sperm whale and he has just one hour to get out. She's got an hour.

Like what, his oxygen or something runs out. He's got to punch through that whale. I don't know why I was likening this to whalefall. I kind of forgot. And then I just got excited about whale fall. Yeah, yeah. Wait, wow. Oh, because of eggs and humans.

Oh, yeah, because it passes. In my brain in whale fall, the human is going to pass through the digestive system of the whale and make it like be shit out fully whole. But I don't think that's actually what the movie is going to be about. No, he's only got an hour. I think he's going to get mashed. You're not going to, you can't shit out a human in an hour.

That's the digestive process. Especially when you're busy just sucking back chum or whatever it is that they get in there. Plankton's Lil, you know? Chum, chum. Anyway, that's what I always associate Kate Beck and Sill with is this egg story. And it's so funny to me that you've never heard it. Wait, real, I have a couple more questions about the egg story. So he's giving birth, do you said to hard-boiled eggs?

Or does she think that there are birds inside of the eggs? No, there's no bird. There's no bird, but like there are yolks. And she said a shell. So it used to be a bird. At one point, it was a bird. And she told these stories. She told it on Jimmy Kimmel.

And then I think she told it somewhere else, but it was literally just like, yeah, do you want to hear this story? Like it wasn't like she thought it was weird at all. Wow. Maybe that's like, maybe she's like, maybe she's like, fine, you've won. I made up the egg story and then she wiped her Instagram.

I like that. In the AI overview, it says her 26-year-old daughter's human boyfriend naturally laid two eggs. Lest you think that her 26-year-old daughter was dating a chicken. A female chicken. Although it would be funny if it cuts over and it is just her daughter and it's like, oh my God, you've been sched up in Camilla the chicken. Like she's just been banging a chicken. and that's why her boyfriends have an eggs. But then carrot top got involved.

Oh no. And that's what the video is of. Okay. Oh, God. And so it's eggs. We need one of those red string boards in this studio. We need to put some things. We're putting things together.

This is why we come here to bring dark-sighted to you guys. We have to figure this out. For darkness. For darkness. Yeah. Tell me, what's the next dark little tidbit? Oh, my God. It depends on how.

dark you want to get Kara. Do you want to, I mean, if we're already talking about death and things, we got to talk about the death of a 27-year-old. And yeah, we're talking about model Cindy Crawford's son, who is also a model, who has overdosed.

And it is sad. And I think the saddest part is that immediately the headlines have just boiced about like, but were Cindy Crawford and Randy Gerber back? Bad parents. No matter what.

Yeah. They just lost their child, okay? How about we don't do this right this second? Just, you know, you know, just because you have a child that has drug addiction problems doesn't mean that you were 100% just a bad parent. Right. You know that like life happens and your children are their own people and they choose things for themselves and but I feel bad because like it's different it's different but I will say like when

Mary Cosby's son died I felt so awful because I was like I really think as a mother she's a great mother and she was really trying to do everything right for him and it I feel so sad but I also think she's a grifter and I was like I know this isn't the time for that conversation but I wait why why? You haven't... Wait, Mary Cosby is a grifter. Oh, yeah. I thought you meant Cindy Crawford was a grifter.

I was like, what is she doing? Grifting on her own perfect good looks? I don't know. That's why I was so surprised. No, no, I'm sorry. I'm talking about Mary Cosby. So what I'm saying is, am I guilty because even though when this has been happening,

I'm still going so, so sad and I feel so sad for Mary. But the other thing that can be true is that she's a grifter and that I think something is very shady about like how she came to control her church and all of that. But I... Oh, you mean marrying your own grandfather is weird? Is that the same as being like, are they bad parents?

Like, I feel like I'm kind of doing the same thing. I'm not, uh, I don't have my own, like, publication. I'm not like making it a headline. Right. I don't think Mary Cosby's ever going to hear what I'm saying. No. But like, all I'm saying is two things can be true. Yeah.

But I, I've never, first of all, like, I'm sorry, Cindy Crawford and Randy Gerber makes tequila with freaking George Clooney, right? Oh, is that what he does? He's a cosomigos. He's a co-a. He's a Casamigos guy, right? And then Cindy Crawford is a gorgeous, gorgeous model. But I don't think she's modeling at the same rate that she was probably when she was 20.

From what I understand, she's probably a perfectly fine mom. Like, I don't know, to be like they're Hollywood parents. And that's what's the reason behind his drug problems. What is she going? What about Kyagerber? What about Kygerber who's doing great? Yeah. And Cindy Crawford, I don't think, is like jetting off to go be in a movie for nine months.

Like she's a model, but who's in her 60s, right? Like, I don't know, or 50s. Am I, is that rude? Rude, Kara. Are you overaging a woman right now, Kara? She's 60, she's 60. Damn, girl. Hell yeah.

Swinging it out the gate. Yeah, okay. She's 60. She's 60 years old. All I'm saying is like, I don't know, that just, it's not like, I don't know. It's not like when you hear about two actors that, like, move their kids every 10 minutes, And you're like, I can see how they'd be messed up. I don't know.

Cindy Crawford and Randy Gerber. I don't know. I wasn't like assuming that their kids would be like messed up Hollywood kids. But they're also both. I mean, he was so beautiful. Kaya Gerber's so beautiful. They're gorgeous people. I know.

And honestly, I've been adding more, more, especially I'm adding more children to my schedule recently. But that's a creepy thing to say. I was wanted to bring up because last week we talked a little, a little smidge bit about next gen, NYC. about the real housewives children. And I started watching it yesterday. And I have immediately been sucked into it.

Everybody was right that hit me up and was like, watch next gen. You're right. Oh, you're liking next gen. I immediately like it. I've watched a few episodes. What do you like about it? Well, I mean, immediately, you just told me everything about Kim Zolsiac last week. And Ariana, Ariel.

Ariel, the daughter is there. And so I'm trying to like piece everything together. But also like Brooks is, Brooks Marks is, I mean, I guess is Marks, Brooks Marks. He to me, I know that I don't, I know I shouldn't like this, this young person who seemingly doesn't give a fuck about anything that seems that like talk about a Gen Z stare of just, yeah. But he is Gen Z stare. But then if you look at Meredith, I mean, like Meredith is like. I don't know. Like she can't, like she can't really get...

Well, she's giving a stare because she can't move her face. She can't really get that upset about anything. Like her super upset is like, get out of my house. I mean, she's just so... You will leave. You can leave. I have that on a T-shirt. But Brooks, I heard Brooks is boring on that show that he doesn't really bring anything.

Oh, see, I feel like... But you tell me. I just enjoy... I've only seen a few episodes, and it's mostly dinners where they're all yelling at each other. Yeah, and I think that it's fun because they're... are right where it's like there's not a lot of the housewife kids and so they all kind of got to know each other as time went on so I liked that aspect of of course they've weirdly kind of grown up together in it's like a mix of housewife kids and other kind of like weird nepoes and that's honestly

that's where it loses me because it's also like oh this like he had a finance father and now he's a crypto dealer and he's 22 years old he's a multi-millioner right that guy's the villain of the show That guy. Everybody's kind of related to like somebody on there and everybody's like, I have a fashion line or whatever. Yes. I have always liked Brooks on the show on House on Salt Lake. Gia Judice, you know, I don't really need to watch a show. Is she?

Yeah. But like not, not as much as her mother. But I like to see how fall the apple has fallen from the tree. How far to fall? How far to fall. How far to fall. How high to fall. Ridge. Okay. And Riley?

Yeah. Yeah. I don't know much about Riley. Riley's another Atlanta. Atlanta one. Okay. Yeah, but she was mute on the show. Like whenever Candy got her on camera, she'd be like, Mom, can I have a car? Okay, bye. She just like would not say a lot. And then she got on the show and I think she found her voice. Wow. Good for her. I think she found her voice. And then Ariana's on there. But I like the girl. But Ariana and Breel Bierman were always very entertaining, like a little bit. Ariya, it is Ariana. I'm sorry, because it's Breel.

That's why. Sorry, I combine their names. How dare you care. You're right. It is Ariana Bierman. But Ariana was always the very smart one. She always got good grades and was very smart. Breel was like kind of dumb and was always dating a baseball player.

But also what happened to the boys then? If she's doing fine in that direction. And then that's why watching this show and I'm like, what happened to these boys then? They were a little bit older when they got thrust into the spotlight. I'll say that. I don't know. It could be.

I don't know. I really don't know. But you found something, a continuation of the world's darkest story. You found more information out about that. Which world's darkest story? The world's darkest story. Of the Bierman child. Oh, I mean, I was just more of wondering, because not a lot has come out,

but I wanted to ask you just because you talk so much more about. true crime over on that's messed up. And I was wondering because it turns out, remember last week when we're talking about they found a video on the 15-year-old's phone of him having, assaulting a minor relative of his. And it was on his phone. And apparently they found it when they were, when they took his phone away during the divorce proceedings of Kim Zulsiak and her ex-husband.

And I literally put this on the list because I was like, Kara, can you explain law to me? Why would they take the boys' phone? What would they think is on the boys' phone? I don't know. This is where I need our lawyer listeners to pop in here because I'm not an actual lawyer. That seems strange to me because I think that you could like

subpoena text messages sent from like a parent to a child to prove that like the parent was saying bad things about the mom or the parent was doing something. But I don't know why that would be a full confiscation of the phone and looking through photos and looking through videos and a full search. It feels like the scope would be limited to like text messages

and emails that pertain to the parents. I mean, it's going to pertain to you. I mean, I'm glad they found it. I'm glad we're stopping this like 15 year old rapist, you know? And I'm glad that we're, we have to say grapest. We're on YouTube now. And I'm glad that we're stopping this episode right now

to hear from our sponsors. And we're back. Back. Don't worry, guys. And we're back. They can't get rid of us for long. I just, I don't know. If you're a lawyer, tell us why a child's phone would be confiscated in search during divorce proceedings.

Yeah. Including film and video and photographs. Yeah. That seems fishy to me. It does. Just sidebar before I jump into our evil list here, I will say, and I've been, I wanted to say it on page seven, but I thought it was too mean. I did want to bring up Perez Hilton. We want to bring up

I feel like I am so complicit in the Perez Hilton days. I had a day job. It was creative, but it was a day job. Yeah. In the 2008, 2007, 8, 9 period, where I was just, I would get to the end of Perez Hilton. I'd be like, well, I've read everything he's posted. What do I do now?

I mean, I'm more favored stuff like, delisted was my favorite blog because the guy was so funny. And I loved what the fugly girl the girls that would say what the fug or whatever they were in fashion

they were really rude about fashion and stuff. I loved a lot of those blogs and I followed Perez and I guess at the time when we were just getting used to the 24 hour news cycle and like the harassment of celebrities

I just thought oh this is what we read we're reading gossip like this is what we read and I didn't think that it was weird that he would like draw dicks on people's faces, but it is. It's bad. Right.

And now I'm there, in retrospect, I'm grossed out, but I was a complicit watcher. I can't sit here and go, I've always hated him. I've always hated him. No, no. I read this stuff. A lot of us did. It was a different. I never, I always thought posting upskirts was disgusting.

When he would just post upskirts. Yeah. With like a graphic on it and you could click and see what the actual photographer took. I'm like, this is disgusting. I guess really what I came here to say was he's there or someone is launching a go fund me to support his children. Who let him adopt children? I just know so many people

who have struggled in, like, the world of adoption, and he was able to adopt three children, and I just, they, the, as you should, go into the life of someone who is adopting a child, and you should be ripped apart

for everything you've ever done. Why was he allowed to adopt three children? I think money. I'm, of course it is. Money is everything. Yeah. I just like I, I'm happy that a GoFundMe is starting. I'm mostly happy that the children now officially just live with his mother and hopefully

they continue to do that because the kids are young. Yeah. And this is, this is like, this is devastating in a way that obviously they're never going to get over. Yeah. And I, I just feel like it's not. I have nothing else to say about it. It's just not fair that he got to have a family. Yeah.

You know what I mean? But I feel like I understand people can grow, people can change, people can learn. But that's not what we watched with him. Has he publicly said anything? Like, I'm sorry. It was like a time where I was experimenting with the internet. I didn't really, I didn't see these people as people and they are people. And I should.

Has he ever apologized for like any of that stuff? because I think that like... Okay. He has apologized for past behavior and cruel celebrity reporting. He has apologized for outing Neil Patrick Harris. Yeah, because he outed people. He did really rancid shit. Yes.

So he has apologized for a couple of things. He says he's privately reached out to several high-profile stars, including Britney Spears and Chloe Kardashian. But we don't know these things. And I, it's just, not that I'm saying, I wish what happened to Perez on anybody. It's just, I, like, let's take it back now, y'all. And think about where anybody, hopefully he's a completely different person and this was just a psychotic episode. Yes.

And his kids, his kids have always seemed happy with him. in photographs, but I understand what you're saying. You're basically saying, like, there are so many people that can't adopt and want to be parents and want to take in, adopt, like, children as they're adopted, you know, want to adopt. And they can't because they don't have the money or whatever, or they have some little tiny ding on their record, maybe, whereas this guy was just freaking painting the town white dicks for a long time and ruining people's lives and outing them and all this stuff.

And he did. I will also say personally, not all the time, but sometimes when the transformation comes through faith, I do find a, you know, a section of myself of, okay, what's transforming you through the faith that that has changed you? Like, is this like, well, I read in the Bible that you're supposed to be good to everybody. Well, I know a lot of Christians that aren't good to other people. So I'd love, like, I guess I would love to hear more about how the faith saved you. You know, if you were hopefully in the long run, he'll grow and come out and tell us all about it. But right now, we don't know. We just don't now.

But we do know that there's a list coming up. Oh, I'm on the list. It's spooky. Got to have that list. This isn't as spooky. I guess it's not like Halloween spooky, but celebs who basically blew up their lives after doing something shockingly self-destructive.

Now, the first one on the list, of course, is Jim Thornton, the Wheel of Fortune announcer that we talked about on page seven a couple of weeks ago. Oh, Kara, let me explain this to you real fast. Wait, the Wheel of Fortune announcer. You know the Wheel of Fortune announcer. of Forger announcer, yes, because he was flying from Charlotte to L.A. He was on, he was definitely in a pedophile chat. He was in there for over an hour. He was in an aisle seat in coach,

so everybody around him could see that he was in a pedophile chat. They took screenshots of it. He, they, they, it said there, in the screenshots, it said that there was going to be an all-you-can-eat-boy-fei. I have, unfortunately made multiple jokes. about all you can eat boy phase towards my husband and he loves it every time. But he had been fired, even though his representation was like, guys, it's because his cousin committed suicide and he's in there to try to save people from, excuse me, dying by suicide. Yeah. That's what the representation claimed that he was doing.

He was in there to save people. He's in there being like, what time's the boy buffet so I can stop some potential suicide? So I can prevent it from happening. And now, of course, next up on this list, Army Hammer. We know a lot about what Army Hammer did, but for those that don't know, he was accused of being a cannibal and a sexual abuser. And then there was a docu-series that came out

that included a bunch of information that the victims also didn't want as a part of the docu-series. And there's just a lot of, they're like, well, I don't think he did, but, I mean, You can't say that he ever would have. Meanwhile, his father had a sex chair that had a cage underneath it with a hole in the chair so that he could shit through onto the women that he kept in the cage underneath the chair.

But that's fine. That's just Daddy's chair, Kara. So don't worry about that. Sometimes Daddy's got to make and Daddy wants to make on a face. I hate make. Make is the worst. I hate it so much. It is the worst not curse word ever.

It's so bad. That's why when Natalie and I had to do our whole monster fucking show to an audience where we were only allowed to do it like a family friendly version of our monster fucker show. That's what we were calling it make. And it was like, oh, and then, oh, and then they went to go make. And oh, they made and they made and they made. Oh, but I thought when you say make, you're usually talking about pooping. Yeah, but that time I was talking about sex and sex. Instead.

Because the thing is that... So, Mike is just kind of like any bodily sort of funny thing. Yes. You know, like an exchange. Yeah. Yeah. An exchange of fluids or maybe harder fluids or... Yeah.

Like an exchange, Kara. Okay. You know? But Army Hammer, don't worry. He said that he never did it. But we know Michael Richards definitely did what he was charged with. I'm not charged, but caught doing... Michael Richards famously played Kramer on Seinfeld.

He won three Emmys and two SAG Awards. What he did after the unmatched success of Seinfeld, Richards ruined his legacy with a racial outburst. While he performed stand-up at the Laugh Factory in L.A., he noticed that a few black audience members were talking. Rather than simply ignore them, he went on a tirade, including a horrific reference to lynching. Then demanding one particular man be thrown out,

Richards repeated the N-word several times. During the two-minute ordeal, the audience member he was targeting called him out. One person delivered this devastating blow. It's not funny. That's why you're a reject. Never had no shows. Never had no movies. Seinfeld, that's it.

Which I think is a funny thing to yell at someone who's having like a racial toddler outburst on a stage. Just being absolutely disgusting. And of course, the tirade was completely caught on camera. And that was in 2006, when I feel like it was still kind of the world where you thought you could get away with things. Yeah, because I don't think in 2006 we even fully thought of everybody having a phone on them. Exactly. In 2006, I know for a fact, I had a phone with no video on it. Or if it had video, it was like the grainiest thing you would never have been able to make it out.

You know what I mean? Like it was like a flip phone. But somebody did it. And it is on camera. and he went on the late show with David Letterman a couple of days later, and he was just like, I got heckled, I took it badly, went into a rage. I'm not racist. And like that was his response to it.

Not enough. Sorry, Michael Richards. It's just like it's very clear that that was bubbling below the surface. Even if you don't go through your daily life using those words, like if I had a full freak attack, you wouldn't hear those words come out of my mouth. Like, if I was in a rage, those words would never be. come out of my mouth. I would call you every bad word I could under the sun, but it would never be like a racial slur. That's just not what I jumped. It's not what I go to. They're not ready for

me. Like I'd have to really dig. And I truly feel that for, like, that was the first thing when you popped off at the top of your brain. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think so, dude. But what about Roseanne Barr? Rosanne Barr best known for playing the titular role in the classic sitcom Roseanne. What she did, the Roseanne revival could have been Barr's ticket back to relevancy, which, how dare you, Roseanne is an amazing show. But instead, she chose to let Twitter be her downfall.

In 2018, she posted a racist tweet comparing Valerie Jurette, the senior advisor to former president Barack Obama to an ape. Her tweet was a reply to a conspiracy theory thread alleging Jarrett helped the CIA cover up its spying. She also defended her tweet as a joke spread misinformation that Chelsea Clinton was married to a nephew of billionaire Democratic mega-donor George Soros. She's actually married to Mark Mesvinsky and wrongfully accused Soros, a Jewish man who survived the Holocaust, of collaborating with Nazis.

It's no good, Roseanne. It was a great show, but this ain't no good for a tweet. What happened to her? ABC canceled the Roseanne reboot. ABC Entertainment President renounced Barr's tweet as abhorrent, repugnant, and inconsistent with our values. Her talent agency dropped her. The rest of the Roseanne cast returned for the spinoff, the Connors, but Barr's character was killed off. Yeah.

And so it's just, again, like we were just saying, like, you wouldn't. And also, on top of that, it's a tweet. You can think about that. You know what I mean? Like, that's something that you're actually thinking about and putting out there. So it's good that we remember some of these things. I do think it's not fair that Lori Loughlin is on this list, all right? Okay, sure.

You Photoshop a couple photos of your kids playing water polo and suddenly, I'm a liar. You're the worst person in the world. Okay, how else my kids are supposed to get to college, okay? I paid for those degrees. Come on. Just like a lot of other parents pay for the degrees, all right? Sometimes you pay up top and sometimes you pay at the bottom. I want all the college scandal people reinstated.

I want Lori Loughlin back. I want Felicity Hufflin back. And as far as us, Lynette is concerned. I mean, Felicity Huffman, she are right here, baby. Lynette wouldn't have done that. I don't think Lynette would have done that for the twins. She would never have given them a shortcut. Are you kidding me?

She's like, no, you didn't deserve it. Why would I do that for you? Yeah. And that's how we like our parents, all right? Not giving us, oh, no kind of shortcuts, all right? Don't you be photoshopping me, mommy? into the kayaks. No, you're a definitely housewife if you're my mom. That's it. Yeah, exactly. And that's my

evil list for you. Thank you for taking us down the evil list. You're so welcome. But I know, you know, last week was our first episode of Page 7, Darksided, and we were talking about starting to sprinkle in a couple of who's the bitches in here. So that we could still, you know, we're still gonna have our bitch-a-thons. Some people still need to know who the bitch is. And our first bitch-a-thon is October 22nd.

Yes, it is. So definitely pan that in. Don't you penis it in and don't pencil it in either because it'll go away. Grab a Sharpie, write that in your calendar. Sharp it in. That's going to be at 4 o'clock Pacific to 7 o'clock Pacific

and that's 7 to 10 over on the East Coast. And if you're somewhere in the middle, figure it out. And we're going to be taking live calls. You can go to who's the bitch.com has all the stuff that you need for that. But it's going to be on our YouTube. follow along in the chat, even if you don't want to call in the chat is so fun. The people, the bitchlings are so funny.

So fun. Everybody's so funny in the chat. And we'll have some Halloween surprises for you because it's going to be a week before Halloween that we do this. So let's see what kind of freaky, spooky buzzball flavors we can present. Oh my God. And you know they're coming out with something good. I just tried the Pop-Tarts flavors. And unfortunately, they're delicious.

Oh, my God, really? Yeah, it's scary. I feel like it's one of those. where it's like a, you know, it's like a rum chata. It's one of those where I'm like, get that away from me. I am still kind of shuddering at the flavors we had at the Summer Bichathon. The like red, white and blue stripes, like the really bad. What was it?

Like gold melon. Oh, yeah. They were like all World Cup and USA flavors. Yes. Oh, man. I'm still like, God, they were bad. Yeah, those were not good. Those were not good.

But I will try those other, I will try those Pop-Dart flavors. Oh, yeah. Anyway, we have a couple of voicemails that we want. to review, so let's get into it. Hi, my name is Molly, and I, like you say so much, you've gotten me through maternity leave and going back to work and all this stuff. Seriously, thank you. For everything you do, I have a, it's a low-stakes situation, but kind of in high-stakes

context, if that makes sense. So I walk my little baby to daycare every day, and I pass this house with political signage out front. And it's signage that I agree with. It's very like anti-trop and anti-fascist. And the thing is, it is so horribly misspelled. And the grammar is like, oh, my God, like, what is happening? And, like, for instance, it says your cactus are going to the pedophile and, like an ampersand sign, pedophile and chief. Now, clearly they, mean pedophile and chief. And I think they're right about that, but the pedophile and chief makes it sound like who's

the pedophile and who's the teeth. And that's honestly one of the milder examples and the capitalization. I mean, don't even get me started. Anyway, okay, so what I'm wondering is, would I be the bitch if I sent them a letter anonymously, maybe with some corrections and, like, expressing. my gratitude for their activism and my agreement with their stances. But maybe just noting that it makes people who don't support the current president look like maybe we're a little the signs read that way. You know, if you're going to post signs, probably get it right.

But I would do it in the nice way. I think I was in the nice letter. But it would be, it would be, I would have feedback. I would have criticism. So should I do that or will I just be the neighborhood, C-word? If I do that, let me know. I don't have to. It just bothers me so, so much, so much.

Maybe I'm a bitch and I need to get over it. Thanks again, love you guys. I appreciate all you do. And, yeah, bye. I love it because she could have said neighborhood bitch, but she said neighborhood C-word instead. I mean the neighborhood bitch, but I'm the neighborhood C word. See word, you know?

Listen, I think this is such a funny call. You cannot send that letter. What? Don't send a letter telling people that their political signage is spelled incorrectly. Man, then I would take a sharpie to it.

These are the purity tests that the Democrats are expecting everybody to pass. Fix it. I am just like you, caller. I completely clock bad grammar. I completely clock capitalization, pedophile and chief would drive me crazy to. I think these are funny stories to tell at a party and funny stories to tell us on our podcast. Don't send them a letter going.

Guys, you spelled this wrong. It never makes anybody feel good to know they spelled something wrong. Their heart is in the right place. They believe in the same thing you believe in. I think it doesn't do anything. And trust me when I say, I don't think the other side is looking at our signs and judging the grammar. No. I don't think they know the grammar. I think that's what I'm saying. It's like, they're not like, oh, these lefty dummies. It's like, I don't think, you know, or liberals, whatever. I just think this is like a funny thing that you notice when you pass with your kid and I would not send the letter. And you know I love sending a letter. I love sending letters. But that's to like squash a beef or whatever. Not to like, I don't even know how I would say this to a friend. Like I have a friend. I have a friend. If it was me. If I was me, if I. I had, like, I feel like if it were me, and you showed up at my house.

And I showed up your house, I'd be like, wait, did you guys know that that was spelled wrong? But like, she's saying multiple. Like, this is who they are. It's not like one little typo. It's like, these people feel strongly and don't have good grammar or syntax or whatever. And so they're just doing it incorrectly, but their heart is in the, like, I don't know. You wouldn't take like a big marker to it and change it.

Hey, what do you think of our signs? I'd go, oh, great, but you know it should be pedophile in chief, right? And they'd be like, oh, okay, because they asked. Right. I don't think you send unsolicited advice to a neighbor about their political sides. Personally. Personally, be the Jackie in the world. Take a marker to it.

Be the neighborhood C word. I just, like, yeah, I guess it would be funny if you were like, I absolutely agree 100% with everything that you put up there. And. Like, that would be very funny. Would I do it personally? Nah. Yeah, I guess if I ever saw it.

And also, you have to remember too. Thankfully, a lot of people are probably driving by, so they're probably not paying as close of attention as you are paying because you pass it every day. I bet you nine times, nine out of ten people don't under, they probably don't clock these errors. I bet they don't think people care about, we're in the world of, we're in the world of like TikTok and captions are spelling

everything incorrectly. And no one's writing anymore. They're all just typing with their thumbs. Kids don't dance anymore. Nobody dances anymore. Like I just think that no one is like, I would be interested to know what your level of education is because I don't think most people would clock this.

And I, but I think you're very funny and I'm with you. I would be like, oh my God, not this. You know, like if you're going to write Nazi, you've got to capitalize the end. You know, like, come on. But give it the respect. It deserves. Yeah, but I think.

Molly, all right. I wouldn't do it, but you, but let us know if you do because I love this. Okay. Yes. All right. We have one more. Okay. Hit me.

I love this one. Hi, Jackie and Kara. I have a funny one for you. So I'm an interior designer and I go into a lot of people's houses and I'm always in people's business and they tell me a lot of their business. So I went to a client's house recently where she was showing me her, you know, everybody has pictures on their walls, their family. She was showing me like her gallery wall.

family photos. And she pointed to one of the photos and she was saying, oh, this is my son and his famous actress fiance. And I was like, oh, interesting. And, you know, it's a really well-known actress. She's in a lot of movies. She's in a lot of TV shows. I thought it was pretty interesting.

So, you know, a couple weeks later, I maybe had a little toke, a little smoke, whatever. And I was just on Instagram. And I messaged her. and I said, hey, funny, we know the same person. This is your mother-in-law that I know. She pointed to your picture at your house, at her house. And, you know, I thought it's funny. Ha-ha, we know the same person.

And that was basically it. I completely forgot about it. A week later, this client emails me saying that we can no longer work together because she did not give me permission to, you know, know, DM her daughter-in-law. So she fired me. And, you know, I think the fact that she said, I don't have permission to contact her really piss me off. You know, it's not like I was soliciting her for work or anything. I just thought it was funny to DM her. Honestly, I didn't think this celebrity would even see my message or acknowledge it. She has millions of followers, you know,

kind of just forgot about it. That was a silly thing to do. But, you know, I felt kind of bad about it. I lost the client. I lost the business, lost business with it because of it. But I don't know. She seemed a little crazy to begin with, and it seems like a relief to not have to work with her anymore. So I'm interested in no. Do you think I'm the bitch for DMing her daughter-in-law?

Or is she the bitch for, you know, trying to control who I talk to when I talk to people? So, yeah, let me know what you think. This is Caroline, by the way. Thank you. Bye-bye. Oh, Caroline. Sorry, Caroline. I think you're the bitch.

I'm so sorry. I think you're the bitch. Yeah, dude. You really should do that, dude. I got drunk one time and I friended like four of the Housewives of New York. And they, like, three of them accepted, like, a week later. Which I didn't, this was in 2008, you know, like when it was, we all just still had Facebook. And, yeah, I was friends with Jill's Aaron and Luandola accepts.

And I think even Bethany accepted me at one point. Because it was like everybody was just accepting everybody because it was. Facebook. So I'm not saying I haven't been wasted and done a little weird celebrity thing, but like I think the thing is, is that like this woman wants you in her house and she's letting you into her business a little bit and you're stepping out of the privacy just by by reaching out to the celebrity and saying, I know your mother-in-law. And I've seen a picture of you. The actress is probably like, what? That's like weird. Yes. I could understand why you would think the actress didn't read, but a lot of her, a lot of actresses read their DMs. A lot of people do read their

DMs and they maybe, maybe they fly through them, but they saw that you wrote that you knew someone they knew, so they stopped or whatever. It's just when you first start working with someone, and especially if you're connected to someone that, you know, is very famous like that, you do have to figure out if you can trust them or not by selling, like, by telling them normal, regular things. and you don't take that outside of that conversation, unfortunately. And I know I'm assuming you hadn't like signed an NDA yet or anything like that because you had just started working with them. But usually in a situation, especially you've just started working with them, it is not a good look. It would have been different if you would like matter at a party.

And you said, oh, I just think I just started working with your mother-in-law. That to me would have been like a different thing. Yes. But to just like blindly go into to DM someone and say, I know your mother-in-law. feels kind of weird. And I don't begrudge you that because you were a little bit high and whatever, but I can't understand why she said, I'm not, I don't want to work with you anymore. Yes, because I also would assume that they would never see it and that they would never get back to me

and that it wouldn't be an issue at all. I do feel, you know, I wonder if this famous actress had had a, like even just think about it within like the family dynamics of a mother-in-law. Is it possible that this very famous actress has, asked her mother-in-law to not do things like that. And maybe you even just simply got the mother-in-law in trouble. And that I'd fire somebody over. Yeah, enough is the mother-in-law.

And then it's like, and then even if it is just that, you know? Caroline, could you do me a favor? Could you just open up the email app on your phone right now and type in who's the B-LPN at gmail.com and just really quickly email me the name of the actress. I'll never tell anyone. I just need to know. I'll just tell Jackie. I will not put it online or on the podcast or anything.

I just really need to know this actresses. I really need to know. What I thought, Sleena Gomez. You really did. Yeah, I thought Selena Gomez. Yeah, but you think that this woman's doing Benny Blanco's mom's house? Why not?

They're already married. Yeah. This is fiancé. Oh, fiancé. Yeah, yeah. They're engosged. They're engosged. And the son must not be famous

because she doesn't mention that the son is famous. Okay. We will figure this out. Caroline just tell us. Caroline just tell us. So, curious. I don't mean to call you a bitch, Caroline. I don't think you're a bitch.

I think you made a silly little mistake, and I'm sorry you lost business over it. It doesn't suck. I wouldn't do it going forward. But just don't share any information that you find out in any job unless explicitly told that you're allowed to. I just err on the side of caution always. Anybody that's connected to anybody famous is always super weird about it.

You got to cover your butts. You just, yeah, yeah. But thank you for sending in a voicemail, and you guys can send in your own voice. or email, just go on over to who's the bitch.com and you can get all the information to send that in. Yeah, we love doing a little Who's the Bitch Corner. This was fun. Yes, because we still get such juicy submissions. So we want to keep, we want to keep the juices flowing. So keep submitting. If you got something juicy, you want to squeeze it all over us. And if you have a dark little

story or any story, honestly, any gossipy little story that you don't think that MJ and Jackie will tackle. Bring it on over to me. Come on. Red Rover, Red Rover. Send it on over here. Bring it over to Dark Satted. Send us an email at,

is it Page 7 podcast at Gmail? It certainly is. Yeah, send us an email and say, I hope you guys are going to cover X, Y, Z, because we'll do it. And we definitely will. We will freaking do it. Thank you all for coming and hanging out

with us on the darker side of seven, even though we did screw up the song at the top, and I'm not going to say that's the last time. You did. I did. But last week, guys screwed it up. So technically, we screwed it up. We're going to get it.

Third episode, mark my words. Oh, yeah. Mark my words. We're going to be harmonizing. We'll see you next week. Well, I don't know about that. Bye, everybody. This show is made possible by listeners like you.

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