Page 7 - Ep. 367: Brim to Brim

Episode Date: August 20, 2020

We goss about a late night cheater and pick up artists; plus, an update on Britney Spear's conservatorship!We're getting vampire horny over on our Patreon, join us! Patreon.com/Page7PodcastKevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 License creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0 Subscribe to SiriusXM Podcasts+ to listen to new episodes of Page 7 ad-free.Start a free trial now on Apple Podcasts or by visiting siriusxm.com/podcastsplus. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

And this one goes out to the one and only, Dolly Parton. Molly, did you know that Dolly Parton is coming out with a new Christmas album? Holden, did you know that this song has been stuck inside my head for days? Did you know if the song doesn't leave soon? Yes, I wrote down these lyrics. But you know I wouldn't end my life Because who would sing you Christmas shoes? I'm not going to sing Christmas shoes right now

Because I've got Mary Did You Know stuck in my fucking head Because Dolly Parton is releasing Her version of Mary Did You Know Tomorrow Yes Christmas has come early I don't give a fuck We need anything that will make us smile Welcome to page 7 My name is Jackie Zabowski

And I love Dolly Barton. My name is Hohmignali. I did know that she's putting out of Christmas album. This was in the email you sent to us. I sent the email. I appreciate it. Absolutely. But Jimmy Fallon cheats on his wife. You would need to stop reading the blind items. I need to, maybe you need to be taken off of blind item duties because all Holden thinks about now is how Jimmy Fallon cheats on his wife. Not just Jimmy Fallon. Do they talk about his alcoholism? Everybody. Yes, constantly. Everybody cheats on their wife. Everyone's cheating on the planet.

That is what I've learned. Are you trying to tell us something right now? I'm trying to ask some questions. Molly, do you know where Gideon is at all times? It seems like everybody's married in the fix. Luckily, no one here can leave the house. And so I think that, and this is obviously true for the whole United States. If you're obviously a lot of people have to work, so people now might have a cover again.

Um, but, you know, I think that the pandemic has probably damped a lot of people's games in terms of their cheating. Right. That's, I thought about this ad nauseum and I brought it up yesterday. I think maybe Lexi now were talking about it, but I was just like how many people out there, it's like a thought experiment I have where I think how many people out there were cheating regularly on their spouse. We're never home. We're always on quote unquote business trips. We're, you know what I mean? Have like three kids they barely know.

Now they are just inundated with the reality of the home they have, hath wrought upon themselves. Yeah, dog. Yeah, I love it. I love, I enjoy that you love it so much and that you're reveling in cheater's, um, purgatory hellscape. And I think, you know what, as they should. That's what happens.

You try to bounce too many balls. You know what? Seals only got one nose. Right. And there's a reason for it. One ball at a time for the sea. And I will also say, speaking of noses, everyone who's not cheating on their wife is definitely doing cocaine. Doing cocaine!

They're all doing it. Sometimes it overlaps, though. I imagine that sometimes you do too much cocaine and then you cheat on your wife. And everybody's at least had like a sandwich with Jeffrey Epstein. That's the third one. Absolutely. Ew, it's probably covered in like vinegar. Like it is so...

I imagine every, like he covers everything in a vinegar sauce. I'm glad Jimmy Fallon cheats on his wife because I've been looking for. for a tangible reason to explain why I don't like the guy for years. And so at least now I have it. Can someone just isolate Molly saying I'm glad Jimmy Fallon jesus and his wife doesn't want to be out of context. I'm sorry for his wife. And I shouldn't throw her under the bus to justify my own latent distaste for Jimmy

Fallon. But here it is. I think that he does a lot of fun segments. I like the classroom instruments a lot. I like the fucking barbershop quartet bits a lot. And I want to like him. I've tried over and over. I liked that thing where he had stomp come and sing Cecilia.

There's all sorts of things that he does that are very fun. So much fun. But I just don't trust him. He looks good in a suit. He's a fun guy. But apparently he's not that nice a guy. I just don't think I'd cheat with him. Yeah.

Cheat with a sexy guy, you know, not a goofy guy. He's a drunk, though. So he's cheating probably with other drunks. So he doesn't really need to be anything at that. point is just so out of your mind. Do you know what I mean? But I will also say I know why you don't trust him, Molly. It's why none of us trust him. The fake laugh breaks on S&L. Every sketch. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's crazy. And then, yeah. After a while, it was like so, like, you're just this is your, you think this is your cute thing. And so you do it, because you know that people

love it when you do it. I know you're not actually like think this is so funny. There's no way. You have to do it every once in a while. If you truly break in the middle of a sketch, I mean, obviously, we were never on SNL. Yeah. But as someone that we all have done sketch in the past, that I think it's like, you have to like really, I've made me broken twice in all the years of sketch that I did. And they were because something out of the ordinary happened in front of me

that was just like, what is happening? Yeah. And so, of course you laugh. Like the wig with Adam Sandler and Chris Farley. Yes, yes. Remember that? That is the best. Right.

Anyone who ever broke with Chris Farley, I completely understand. Yes. And that was one that made me so mad about Jimmy Fallon. I'm like, bro, you're with Horatio San's. Racial San's is fine. But you guys are just laughing your asses off every single sketch. This is your job, man. Like, Arachio San is not that funny.

You're throwing Sands under the ball. I'm sorry. He's not, you know, if David Spade laughs at Chris Farley, man, I'll forgive you because you're working alongside the funniest guy who ever lived. Like, I'm sorry, but Jimmy Fallon, Horatio's stance don't deserve that. It's so funny. I really, you know what, guys, I'm really enjoying this. You know, I will throw it out there.

I never really watched the seasons when Jimmy Fallon was on very often, as well as I don't really watch his show. So I don't have any strong feelings either way. And I do feel bad more for his wife and his family with all of the blind items. And I really hope he's not doing that. But at the same time, like, do, cheat with a man that's more mysterious. Cheat with a human being that you look at

and you're like, are you from another planet? David Blaine. Because if you're fucking an alien, then you get a pass. David Blaine. Don't cheat with David Blaine. Ew, I'm not going to do it. David Blaine. He's mysterious.

He's mysterious. I don't even know. I'm going to cheat with Chris Angel. You hear that, Jeff? I'm going to cheat with Chris Angel. He's going to mind freak me so hard. that it's going to zap my loins into outer fucking space. An additional reason not to trust Jimmy Fallon is that any guy whose schick is exactly how fun

and nice he is is not to be trusted. He's too charming. It's no way. Not that charming. The Ellen effect. Yeah, you can't pull it off. Yeah, it is totally the Ellen effect. And I actually believed it with Ellen until very recently.

She had me. But with Jimmy Fallon, I'm just like, no, man, you're like so bashful. You're a grown-ass man. and you're like bashful like a little boy like get it together. I don't try. You're trying to disarm me and it makes me put my arms up even more.

Whoa. Man, I just looked up pictures of Chris Angel. And there is a picture of him on a red carpet with carrot top and flavor flame that just makes me down what if I fucking party my face off with the three of that. I don't know. I don't mean to say it about carrot top.

I'm a carrot top defender. You're a carrot top defender? What? I'm a carrot top defender. I would go see his show in Vegas. I'm fine with it. He's ridiculous. I've heard his show in Vegas is super fun.

And I was just right there with you with the next. I'm glad that prop comedy isn't cool anymore. I'm absolutely thrilled by that. But I do appreciate the caratop exists at the same time. I just can't believe he's still going, honestly. But his eyebrows give me nightmares. He's terrifying looking. But I think that adds.

to, I actually like him scary like this, then like, hey, look at me, I'm okay, you know what I mean? I like him ripped and terrifying looking. That's not the carrot top. Now I'm searching like, like, current carrot top. What does he currently look like? But also, but I mean, I know that Chris Angel ain't nobody to write home about, but at least he has some sort of, you know, shellact-haired mystery about him. And that's what I appreciate. Unlike, I believe it is mystery that wrote the game though, right? Wait, wait. You read the game.

Yes, I read the game that, yeah, I believe mystery is the guy's name. He didn't write the game, though. This other guy wrote the game about mystery. Oh, God. I was like, what are you talking about? It took me a second, so I was like, oh, right, I did actually read the game. I read the game in its entirety while at the office job that I hated. Like, I found a PDF of it because I was like, I'm not buying this.

and I'm definitely not reading this like on the train. It's Neil Strauss, by the way. Neil Strauss is who wrote the book. He was a reporter. He got, I actually, I guess I recommend the game. That's why.

Oh, I'm sorry. It's because it was because mystery was the host of the pickup artist. Yes. And that's, and he was a big major part of the PUA movement. Like, he was a big.

Don't call it PUA. That's what it. PUA and Megging and opening, opening a set. You open. in a set that's like getting into a group of people. It's disgusting. But the game is in a how to book.

The game is like his journey essentially from getting really into this thing and then realizing like that it's disgusting and walking away. They call themselves the seduction community. Come on. They use magic. Speaking of Christ Angel, magic's a big part of it, doing magic tricks to impress women at clubs and bars and stuff. It always works.

Here's a hot tip. It definitely works. Oh man, you see someone in the corner shrouded, and he is over there doing his magic poorly to himself. You want to saunter right over there and be like, hey man, you want to slick that card up inside of my top hat? Yeah, I don't actually, I don't want to say I recommend. The game, I don't recommend it in the sense that I think it's like good or right,

but I recommend it if you're morbidly curious about a very disgusting, dark corner of American culture and like dude bro culture. Be very careful though because the whole point right is that they're like are you curious? Come on in. It's like the nice guys we talk about all the time. Are you a little bit of an alienated guy who thinks that women aren't nice enough to you?

Come on in. Just read our books you know I think that's a bad thing that's a dangerous game if you will. Yes but I will say personally nothing about reading the game. made me like want to get it into that at all. In fact, it actually helped in a sense to just know when people, because I've seen it now live in the wild.

Like I've been hanging out with a couple of friends of mine or like hanging out with Lexi. One night after a concert, I was hanging with Lexi and a friend of ours who was female and this guy clearly was like in on the PUEA thing. Yeah. If you really want to get disgusted, they're the worst ever.

And if you really want to get disgusted, there is a thing called social dynamics. They do little, I was going to write like a screenplay about this whole thing, and I still am kicking it around. Because I just, it's so weird and gross and lame and fascinating at the same time. But it is like on YouTube, there are these like dissertations and they're disgusting. It is, by the way, I just want to say like, this is morbid entertainment. It's the most vile shit ever. And I would watch it at my day job because I was like miserable already anyways. and I just needed to like be, you know what I mean?

I needed to direct that energy at something else. Yeah. Mystery and Neil Strauss shared a mansion in Hollywood that they... That's in the game. I just... I don't know, yeah, you're right. I don't even know if this is good. Like, I don't necessarily want to turn anyone onto this,

but at the same time, it is fascinating. And it does give you an eye-opener of like, oh, wow, guys are really like this. You need to watch out for nagging. You need to watch out for manipulative people. people are learning rules to manipulate you. And I think it actually is very informative. But in the opposite way, not in a way of like, ooh, I should really try.

Right. Not informative in the way that like women love to be insulted. Yes. No. It's awful. And see, it's also this kind of thing, too, that I remember when all of this stuff was really gaining steam. It must have been like early to like before 2010 essentially.

Right. And I just remember people always not understanding because I'm, very aggressive hit honor. I like, I know what I want, I say what I want, and I don't manipulate, and I don't beat around the proverbial bush. Right. And I, I mean, it goes against the idea of the quote, I guess, PUA community and as well as like anyone that goes in the seduction community, I know I don't know how to seduce

very well, and I'll say that about myself. But I will say, I know how to have. sex. And I know how to get late. And the key is that the guys who are reading this shit either don't or they just don't care about like obtaining like affirmative consent. And so like this, you know, like, I feel like the, there's, there's this like, it's very, I like accidentally stumbled into this community once by like, this was back like circa like 2010. by like, totally, which is when this stuff was really especially prevalent.

Yeah, and I like shit talk to them, you know, somewhere, like online. And I, and they, but they like came for me. And they're like men's, you know, men's rights activists who do. And it's so, it's just so, it's like, it's just one of those things where to, it's one of those things where it's like, well, we all know that this is like very bad and like kind of like sad and but dangerous but bad like sad and kind of pathetic but it also is um yeah it's like it's creepy to uh to realize that there are like i think that anybody who's listening to this show and holden you being at your sad at your day job like you already knew that women were human and i feel

like hopefully if you're listening to the show you already know that women are human so you're good i was morbidly curious about these losers because this comes from it's like almost this is pre in-cell and this is like oh no I'm like in-so where it's just like I'm involuntarily sell a bit it's it's oh this is a mathematical equation that I can just work at and solve and they are objects and they are just like this solvable puzzle because I think that's a very math it's like a very mathy

kind of systematic approach as opposed to a human approach to a problem that they're having because they're they're so horny and unable to get laid so they do all these things with the peacocking and opening a set and all this kind of bullshit. And that's why it's like hard to recommend the game because I don't actually think the game is like because as much as it is about him realizing

like this is a gross thing and getting out of it in the end, it still is like him trying to make himself look like this hero's journey person. It's like no, you're gross and awful. And like just because you eventually you know realize you didn't have to do this to find love.

Like, this is still, like, you're kind of making yourself, like, you're almost like martyring yourself or whatever it is, you know what I mean? I will say this does explain why I have definitely, um, had sex with people that wear big fuzzy hats and cowboy hats that are rolled up on the sides. That's peacock. And I hate that, um, you know what? I guess if that part of it does work, you put a big fuzzy hat on, I'm going to be like, who is this person that has chosen?

Okay, there it is. That is exactly why they do it. It's called peacocking, and it's literally wearing a ridiculous thing. And that guy will probably do a magic trick for you. He will definitely do a metric and he'll be like, you have such, you have such a weird laugh. It's like a really, it's fun. I like it. It's like this weird laugh.

It's like that I don't, that I don't fall. That's nagging. That kind of stuff I don't appreciate it. It's undercutting, but it's like with a positive bent. It just puts you in a position below the, it's like I could go on for it. I'll fucking put you a position below my. Boop. That's what I'm going to say.

I went down such a worm, worm time on that at my office job just because I, and eventually I was like, dude, I still might. Like, I would maybe like to write. It's just so hard because like,

they're such awful people. Dude, Holden, you should totally write like the nice guys guide to not being a violent misogynistic asshole. Dude, I was such a nice guy, though,

in middle and high school. That's what's so funny about it. I was such a nice. guy in middle of high school. The nice guy's guide to not believing in the nice guy myth. That's your book. Yeah. I also like this as if you're so bad to the bone right now. I just imagine you getting all like with a with a just a leather vest on and like really short shorts. You're just like, I'm bad to the bone. Well, the nice guy that I'm referring to by the way, I don't want to parse words here because there's actually a whole subreddit dedicated to text from nice guys. But essentially a nice

guy is a guy that thinks he's such a nice guy. The girls, they only like the assholes. But at the the day like you're not a fucking nice guy you're you're a slimy piece of shit that also just wants to get laid but you don't know how to do it and you don't know how to talk to women and so you like put yourself in this position to be a victim when you're not you're actually you're the biggest asshole yeah the thing that nice guys quote unquote nice guys people who have the nice guy complex and the puas and the in cells the root of all of it is women is heterosexual guys who think women owe them sex and are mad at women who won't give it to them because they think that it is their like birthright.

And so that is the thing that the nice guys have in common. And the thing that much of 90s pop culture also made me believe it. You know, I can recognize pickup artistry as bullshit. But you know that I watched every single piece of 80s and 90s portrayals of, you know, men thinking that if you chase a woman forever and stalk her, she will love you. and me, and I was like, she has to love you eventually. I guess it's romantic if a guy won't take no for an answer.

You know, you all the asshole, goodbye. That's what you have to remember. You always say that to them. I was just going to say, it would be fun to see a counterbook to the game that is literally like how to spot this shit

out at bars and how to deal with these fucking people. You know what I mean? You should wear an even bigger hat. Yeah, that's the key is the big. Yeah, you got to. Keep really big hats. Step one.

Get a bigger hat. Step two. Although that brings back prop comedy, but I am, that's the kind of prop comedy. I'm here for. You walk in the bar and just like, why are all these women wear,

the hats are so big in this bar. There's only five women allowed to even be in this bar. And that's how big, the circumference of their hats. Every woman shows up with a hat bigger than the last. Brim to Brim. us five non-dis like gross creepy women can hang out in this bar because they literally can't get through the hats. A sea of hats is better than a sea of assholes.

And there is one beautiful pop star that is currently trying to get the biggest asshole out of her life. You gotta be souping me with this one because I was so excited. Go for Don't even come close Of course We are talking about Britney fucking Spears baby Now Molly you are not a part

Of a thousand part Pop History series On Britney Spears But we've been living in Brittanytown For a very long time And I am just I'm over the moon About this

How about before we even get into this Molly do you have questions for us before we start to really essentially celebrate the outcome that I think we all wanted and we'll explain why. And I think Jackie would agree with me on that. Because we didn't, I think just to start, we didn't feel like the conservatorship was unnecessary. We just felt like the people at the wheel were taking advantage of her and we feel like there was no effort being made to get her off of it.

And I will say in our in the episodes, Molly, we weren't necessarily completely 100% behind hashtag free Britney. I'm speaking for myself. I wasn't necessarily completely behind, even though the albeit good, nice, positive efforts of the online community. Yes, I agree with Jackie.

To try and save Britney Spears. I do believe in giving positive energy towards someone, but if you don't know all of what's going on in someone's life, it is difficult to decide. Because then again, you're just another person that is deciding for another person what they want and what they need.

And I don't agree with that. And case in point was the Zoom hearing where a bunch of free Britney people actually fucked up the hearing by refusing to leave the Zoom call when they were supposed to and protesting it and stuff and actually postponed the hearing. So it did actually the opposite of good for her. So I tried to kind of like keep up with and live vicariously through you guys while you were going in deep with Brittany. and I know that probably many or most people who listen to page seven do listen to pop history also. But maybe you could start with for people who didn't hear your extreme thorough deep dive into Brittany and the conservatorship. Can you explain what the conservatorship is? And kind of like there's the free Brittany people on the one side and the conservatorship on the other side.

So like what is it and what are the different kind of sides? And so why is this? How can we contextualize this? So, and I'll try to be really brief because if people have been keeping up with pop history, then they probably have heard this. But I will just say she had a giant mental breakdown in 2008, I believe. And her father, who was by all accounts very abusive and a drunk throughout her childhood, stepped in with a lawyer.

And essentially the lawyer controlled all of her finances. The guy, by the way, his last name. is wallet, hilariously enough. And he, the father, Jamie, who we've now called Jamie Badfather, because we feel like everybody in Britney Spears' life is the thing they are with their last name. Jamie controls all of her, like, who can visit the house and who can, you know what I mean? All of her finances.

So because in California, you're usually in other states, your conservatorship of your person and your life choices is usually different than your finances. And so you would have two different people. But in California, it goes under. So he was not only in charge of her and what she chose to do and where she went with her career, but also with her personal life choices. So I have a question about conservatorships.

Like, what do they exist for? What's the point? Like, who would they normally be used for? They're normally reserved for old people going through dementia. Oh, okay. So that they don't just like buy. Or someone in a vegetative state. Someone that is not able to control them but are still alive.

Got it. So it's like, it's like, I don't want my, you know, Richard's going through dementia. I'm his son. And Richard wants to literally buy a pool filled with jello. Got it. And I can't, we can't, right? Like, we can't just do stuff like that.

Okay. God bless him. You know, maybe he should do that. I was going to say we'll go. Holbin and I will go. But you know, he wants to like buy a mansion made out of cheese. And he doesn't realize that like that's not a viable, right? And so that's kind of, you step in and you take control of things.

But it was one of those things that was just supposed to be a tip. temporary thing, but it ended up becoming permanent. At the same time, since it went down, she cleaned up her act, she got her Vegas residence, she's made millions of dollars. But because of that, she became a cash cow for all these people involved. And her own lawyer was appointed to her. She had no control over her own lawyer. That person's only getting money from this has no real incentive, in my opinion, to help her get out of the conservatorship. So it seems like up until at this point, no one was actively trying to help her become independent because everyone's making too much money in this situation. And that's where the free Britney movement came out.

So despite her being an adult, a grown adult of sound mind and body, she essentially had no control over her finances or her personal life. And she had no ability to even challenge that. Except that is where it's actually untrue. She has the ability to challenge. She can challenge. And that's what she finally was. And she has not. And so this is part of what these hearings every year is that she goes in and there's also court-appointed monitors that watch things throughout the year to make sure that she is okay with what is happening and that she consents to this. Now, this is where a lot of the people online believe that she was either scared to or told that she wasn't allowed to, which also could be true. Right, because even though she has the ability to challenge,

it doesn't mean she's, like, free to if she is being coerced by her father, right? She has not had the... And also they kept threatening to take her children away. So this is also part of it, so she felt scared. However, today, or I believe it was yesterday, she finally came out in a court hearing and said that she no longer wants her father, Jamie Spears, to be the conservator of her person. because he had stepped down last year.

Because? And he stepped in. He had stepped down because he got really, really sick. Oh, but also the, I think the big piece of this puzzle that made people furious is the restraining order that was put against him from Britney Spears' own kid. This is what happened a couple of months ago, though. Oh, okay. So this happened after the fact. Gotcha.

So he got taken down. Jody Montgomery got put in. And she has been the head of it. Now, since then, he's also hit. her child, and now there's a restraining order out against her father from her children, her underage children, so she also cannot be in the lives of her children. And that's why a lot of people are finally just like, dude, what in the fuck is going on? And this guy, by all accounts, was a drunk and abusive all through her childhood.

And the main other thing to remember is, like, she does need a conservatorship to a certain degree because she's been not had the tools to be an independent person. She has been had a team controlling her life since she was 15. However, that has never come from her mouth before. Everyone around her was saying that until now. Yes. This is the first time that she does say, Britney Spears praises the conservatorship and its work overall saying it,

quote, rescued her from a collapse, exploitation by predatory individuals and financial ruin and that it made her able to regain her position as a world-class entertainer. So she is still for having some help because, and this is what we talked about in the Britney Spears episodes, the paparazzi aren't all over her every second of the day anymore. She's able to have an arm's length from people because she has a team controlling her every move. She had to hide from them for two years before they finally left her alone. Also, right before this happened, the whole phrase about people coming into her life and taking her down a bad path.

I forget his name, what, Lofti? This guy came into her life was like, I'm going to take control of everything. Don't worry, leave it all to me. And he was just this obviously bad dude. And he was actually working with the paparazzi to get, you know, photo ops and stuff and leaning into that. and just totally taking advantage of her for all of her money and stuff. So again, this brings us back to the conservatory ship was necessary. Jamie Spears is shady as fuck.

I think, and the idea, hopefully she's now getting into a position where she's moving into not needing it eventually, any of the conservatorship. But it's going to take time. Could you guys clarify for me the relationship between the conservatorship and the paparazzi? Like, they don't fuck with her

because they know that she, couldn't she have, couldn't she be in control of her own finances and still be like, I have a team who does everything for me. Like, doesn't every celebrity have that? Before, but all of the security were being paid off. They were all, like, it was all by the paparazzi so that they could get closer to her.

They needed someone that was legitimately like, you are not allowed to do this. And so these are supposed to be the people in her life that actually protect her. Now, her father, I believe, is not a good human being. And definitely they use her to make them money. But I do think that they did help get her the security team that she needed to feel safe.

Okay, that makes sense. And so this newest piece of news is like the first time she's ever spoken about it. Yes. And it's boiling, it's hitting this crazy boiling point. All these people. And of course, we just did this whole thing about it.

So the fact that it's actually, we're going to have to do a part five at some point. At some point we're going to have to keep going with it. We're going to have to follow this. And I'm just, I'm so blown away by it. And also, I just, I don't, there's so much I don't trust about, like, the government and, like, rules and stuff. And I think a lot of it is very easy to manipulate. I'm glad we had Brooke and McKinsey on from Exceedingly Persuasive Podcasts for that crossover, because McKinsey is, like, a.

lawyer for the Supreme Court or whatever. I don't know anything about anything, so I think I said that right. And actually broke down the law and actually really clarified some things of like, actually no, this isn't as fucked up and terrible as you think it is because of X, Y, Z, which does help. It's just a very complicated issue. It's very complicated. And it's such a unique issue.

And so what's your guys' take on her saying she doesn't want it anymore? Is that good? I love it. I think this is the perfect outcome because what we say. said was the conservatorship is not unnecessary, but the people who are at the wheel do not seem to be legit. So this being this, I'm not, but Jody Montgomery, what did we get on her? I didn't know a whole lot about her. Okay, I want to look into Jody because it really just, it's not that she doesn't need something in place for now, but I want to see her get fully

acclimated into independence in society. And at some point, and, and, uh, And I think she just needed to get away from Jamie and wallet and all these fucking people who were, I think at first were there to help and then just became leeches. And in the same way that Paris Hilton also needs help. I'm so excited. Because all in the same week, Paris Hilton dropped the teaser trailer for her documentary that goes into her childhood trauma and how a lot of who she is on the outside is. actually a front that she uses and has crafted her entire life to separate herself from what she shows and who she actually is. And part of what this teaser trailer is saying is that there's actually she survived childhood abuse. She's survived multiple violent relationships. And the fact that

being so exposed to the media from such a young age, obviously, really fucked her up. And I I know that this is like a weirdly newfound feeling for Paris-Silton and I have. I've never felt like this before. I never gave a fuck about Paris-ilton. And it's only been for the best like six months. And I'm like, oh my God. Yeah. I guess I was wrong?

This is me. I think that our first, the first page seven foray into Paris Hilton was pre-pandemic. Because I remember being in the studio with you, Holden, after she did her cooking with Paris. And I remember being like, do I like this bit? gloves on in the ground beef. And I was like, this is terrible,

but I might like it. And now, I think I might like it. And now I have just like that. I think I'm not like it. I do like it. I do like it. I know I like it.

And I watched this fucking trailer for her documentary. And I'm like, when does it come out? Give it to me. I need to know. Yes. I am absolutely fucking identifying with and sympathizing with Paris Hilden.

So either it's, she deserves it, or it's just a really, really well-made documentary trailer. I've always felt you're such a Paris, Molly. It's like, I'm still not you're finally saying this. Everyone, everyone's always saying it. I get parents. I get DMs from fans. They're just like, hey, whatever, page 7 is fine.

But Molly's Paris. And you guys need to tell her that. I don't like telling her. I just imagine your kids screaming next to you and you're just like, uh, can you like, stop making that sound? Honestly, I wish I was more Paris When I watch her, I think I might be jealous of her persona

slash what she says in the trailer as a character that she plays. But her calm that she exudes, I actually appreciate it. Huge stoner too. Yeah, that's the thing. It's real stoner.

It's real like California bitch and like I feel like it's kind of fun and I didn't appreciate it before because I was like, oh my God, she's so dumb. And now what I realize is that she's actually, I think, pretty funny and pretty maybe a little bit smart. I don't know if I should say pretty smart. I think she's very smart.

She's got a lot going on. In terms of survivalism. Yeah. And we shouldn't. And of course, for me to say she's kind of dumb is all this internalized things about, you know, she's hot and skinny and whatever. And she talks this kind of way. So she must be a total dumbass. But in fact, what I'm learning is that she's incredibly interesting.

and super fucking funny. Yes. I have the same opinion journey as you, Molly, because I remember back in the day, because, okay, let's go back. Nice guy Holden, right? I'm such a nice guy, and all the girls just like the assholes.

And Paris Hilton was the icon of the hot girl table. Yes. And every school has it, right? And, and, you know what I mean? And, but they have, you know, and I love this whole situation because now I look back at the hot girl table. I'm like, dude, one of them was, anorexic clearly. One of them

was dealing with issues at home. You know what I mean? Yeah. And they were all probably smarter than I thought they were. Yeah. Yeah. I thought all the popular girls were dumb just because they were hot. And meanwhile, I'm sitting here as a fucking 34-year-old, I'm packing like, why do I think she's dumb? Because she's hot. Oh, that's my problem. That's not her problem. That's my problem.

This is what's wrong with me. Yes. But don't worry, Molly, because I've got a bunch of techniques for you to have sex with those hot girls at that table. Step one. Get a bigger hat. Get a big hat. Get a hat bigger than the food.

Oh my God. Honestly, if the page seven legacy is, I'll do this show. We've done the show for like nearly a decade. If the page seven legacy is, we reduce the pickup artist movement to get a big hat. It won't get a big hat. I would love that.

I would love that. Learn how to guess a card that's, in the woman's hand. That's step two. It's so stupid, dude. Well, now I kind of want to read it, though. That's the worst part. Now I'm weirdly interested.

I think that as long as you're a sound human being, this is why it's such murky water should tread, because I'm afraid someone's going to hit me up and be like, I can't believe you're talking about this thing, you know what I mean? Because I'm like, but if you're a person of sound mind and you're reading it for the right reasons, which is to get a perspective on a disgusting movement of people,

then I think, Jesus. Check it out. You know what I mean? But it's like, it's purely for that. And I just, I definitely want to say,

I ultimately do not recommend the game to anyone as a legitimate way to pick up women or like any of that shit. Like I, no, I'm going to read it in secret. And then I'm going to try and start using all of the tips on Jeff.

Yeah. And see if he notices if I'm doing anything different. This is what, Jeff, unhear that. You didn't hear it. I don't know. Right,

right. because that would be, that's a lot of fun. Please write that book. Just people, people who are already in a loving, trusting relationship, but the woman is secretly using pickup artistry on the man. Just three years after the fact. I'm a part of the seduction. That's a great idea.

And I was about to say I'd be fascinated by a woman writing a book using these tactics, but then I forget that men are dogs and we'll just have sex. You could literally punch us in the, you know, in the, you could give us a titty twister. and fucking tell us we're garbage and then be like, I'll have sex with you now and we'd probably just go like, okay, oh! You know what I mean? That's sad.

We're just so pathetic. We're just pathetic animals. I mean, you're not as pathetic as the man that called Dolly Parton a freak-titted old southern bimbo and a slut. And we need to talk about this real quick because it really made me mad because I love the squid billies and I was very disappointed and I don't know a whole lot about Stuart D. Baker's, like usually the things that he talks about, I only have watched the squid billies for a very, very long time and I'm very upset about it because Dolly Parton came out in favor of Black Lives Matter. She's not, you know, obviously she's not usually. She's a, you know, a well-known Southern Bell. She's stayed in it. And also, I believe, has been donating lots of money towards Black Lives Matter. She's not, you know, obviously, she's not usually. She's a, you know, a well-known Southern Bell. She's stayed in it. And also, and also, I think, I believe has been donating lots of money towards Black

Black Lives Matter and she came out and made and just essentially when asked like, do you believe that Black Lives Matter? And she said, of course Black Lives Matter. Do you think our little white asses are the only ones that matter? Which I think is a very fun response. And so Stuart Baker, who also goes by the name Unknown Hinson as his musical act, he ramped her apart online. Also, I hate and love, but I hate it in this scenario, the phrase freak to it.

an old Southern Bimbo. Because I think I would love it if someone called me a freaked-tid an old Southern Bimbo. You could reclaim that maybe. But don't you dare call Dolly Parton that? And what I love so much is that people are allowed to say whatever they want on the internet and a lot of people get away with saying a lot of horrible things,

but Adult Swim immediately fired the shit out of him. Now, why? You can think these things, I guess. I don't agree with you. I don't think you should say, these things, but when you have a platform and on top of everything, towards a woman who is universally beloved, who is such a good human being, why would you do this, you fucking idiot? And then be so surprised and throw it back at everyone because he lost all of his

endorsements. He lost all of his representation. He lost everything. And I love it. Just shows how crazy people have gotten that you would even consider saying something like this about someone whose energy just is never given. And also it's just so unfounded. A positive energy. It just doesn't make any sense. Like the word slut is like, yeah, that's what Dolly's known for being such a slut. Right. It's funny because it's like, yeah, that's kind of her thing, you know.

Yeah. It's like, what are you talking about? And also he wrote Rednecks made you a millionaire like against her and against her being for Black Lives Matters. It's like, fuck you. It's so crazy too that this is a conversation about lives mattering. And it's just so insane. It's just like, what do you get? There's also somebody who is definitely not me, but who like I feel like there is,

there's just so many layers to this in terms of like country music that we have like, you know, talked about a little bit like with Lil Nas X and stuff. But like the, you know, like country music is this domain because of the way that like the records, record labels, you know, kind of segregated things, like that it's this kind of like, there's this like reputation of like it being for white people or, it was taken from black people by white people. Right. It was reappropriated for white people.

Right. Just like rock and roll to like take an art form like from black people, rebrand it, segregate it, only elevate, you know, on your record label, white people, segregate your record label. And then, like, hate Dolly Parton for being like, yeah, Black Lives Matter. There's, again, there's, I'm like super out of my element because I was one of those people in high school that was like, I guess country music sucks because I just didn't understand that it like contained multitudes. And I thought it was like only Keith Urban.

But like, I feel like there is a whole hundred years of history or 75 years of history behind Dolly Parton and Black Lives Matter and the music that she is like famous for, right? Like I feel like there's actually, there's just like so much interesting history there. So for then country music, like a country music person to then kind of like use like racist white supremacy against her for being, for trying to be anti-racist is like so fascinating, you know. Yeah. Especially when she's even saying, even though she says our little white asses, she's saying it's saying that their little white asses also matter. she's just saying we're not the only people that. The only ones that matter.

Of course it's. So if you just look, there's no nuance. There's no looking at nuance. It's literally just seeing a phrase, you're like, well, I'm on the other team. And oh, you know what I mean? It's just, it's not teams. Let's stop being about. No. We're on a team humanity.

God damn it. Is that sports? It's not professional wrestling, dude. It's not about heel and face. It's nuanced. And I just get so, you know, this isn't a political podcast, but I just Fuck, man. Honestly, it's interesting to even, I feel like if anything, you know, it's, I feel like the

phrase Black Lives Matter went from being this thing that you could literally like be an NFL player and be fired for a couple of years ago to now we have like Netflix and Gushers being like, we believe Black Lives Matter. So if anything like, I think the, oh, thank God still that Gushers came out. Gushers. Or else I never let them pop in my mouth again. Gushers stands with the black community. Like, so to see it, to see this phrase that was once controversial, even though, of course, obviously, it shouldn't have been, then become the super mainstream thing this year has been a little bit weird.

Because, you know, for reasons to kind of see the evolution of the movement and have it be kind of co-opted by brands and whatnot. And so then to have this guy just be like, you know what? No, I'm not okay with it. It's like a bit of a throwback. Yeah. So also, also I'm throwing it out there right now, Dunkeroo's, where do you stand? All right?

Dunkeroo's as being very silent. Dunkerose, your silence is complicity. Silence is violence, dunkerooz. Oh, man, I will say, I really hope, though, because I hope they support the same things we support because, man, oh, when they put those little sprinkles in that frosting, and it gives you that extra crunch, y'all know how I feel about sprinkles.

And I love that they put sprinkles. and they're frosting. We here at Dunkeroo's believe that Black Lives Matter. Dunkeroo's, Dunkeroo! Dunkeroo! Dunklews! Don't you,

you do. Cuckles and my frostings. Oh, right. John said, my brother said when I texted him that tweet from Gushers about how Black Lives Matter and John said,

fruit by the foot, justice by the pound. That's great. That's perfect. We should start just altering every slogan that every, you know what I mean? tricks are for black people as well as kids

oh good good good just so far out you're like what are you talking I just make you say what are you talking about silly rabbit tricks are for black lives matter tricks are for everyone because the color of your skin shouldn't determine the content of your character although I do just want to slip in here real fast

you know it's not for everyone doing the cover of the devil went down to Georgia. I must discuss just for real quick because Charlie Daniels from the Charlie Daniels band, RIP, passed away last month and Nickelback just released a music video and covered the song. The Devil Went Down to Georgia, which is still one of those songs that I'll remember. It is my entire, I've heard it so many times. It's such a part of my country enjoying background. And they just shit all over it.

And y'all know that I have seen Creed in concert many times. And yet still, I cannot defend Nickelback's choice to make this cover where they say, sit your old ass in that chair right there. Let me show you how the fuck it's done. Why do you think that it's your meddling it up by cursing in this beloved song that you made a weird not good music video for? So please look up the music video and watch Nickelback doing the cover of The Devil Went Down to Georgia because it will make you roll your eyes until it's 2021.

And isn't that what we all want? This just takes me back to talking about the game where I feel like even just telling people about this could potentially be problematic. You don't want to expose people to this cover. I'm mad about it. I don't want to give it. You know, try it at your own risk. What if they end up?

liking it somehow and then I feel like what do you be a disturbance to humanity. I will say this too. If you'd like a great version of it, both music video and song, check out Primus's version of The Devil went down to Georgia. Which is great. That claymation dope-ass music video. It's awesome. Check that one out.

This is not one of those songs that could never be covered, right? Like I feel like there are certain songs that just like, okay, don't cover that. It's not precious. Yeah. Yeah. And at the end of the day, just listen to the original. but they have a fun or at least more respectful, I feel like, take and music video on that song.

I love a cover. I love covers. I think it's a great genre of music. I think that it's like it will sometimes awaken someone to a love of the original song that they didn't know. You know, you might be someone who comes by way of the cover. That was me with one of my favorite Christmas songs, the Pogues song, Fairy Tale of New York.

I came by way of the punk cover. I came to many good songs by way of the punk cover. So I've got a special place in my heart for the cover, but not this cover. Okay, I'll try and release a cover of Christmas shoes this year. I can hear you begging me with your eyes, Molly. And yes, you may star in the music video. All right.

I'll do it then. You'll be the boy. I'll be the dad. It'll be perfect. That will be perfect. Well, not the dad Or the mom. Which one is it?

Who's dad? Who gives a fuck? How dare you? You don't even know this. How dare you? How dare you? How dare you? I'll be the shoes.

I'll be the shoes. All right, you are the shoes. Oh, the talking shoes. Sorry, your mom's dying. Oops. It is impossible to be friends with Jackie for more than a year and not know the entire story

of the song of the shoes. I block it out. I block it out. I re-exposed every year, and it just happened. And I was too busy yapping about the seduction community and Dolly Parton screaming about Britney Spears. So Holden isn't allowed to give his conspiracy corner this week, and you have to wait until next time when I give you consent.

Holden McNeely learned that in the game. All right. I know who killed JFK, but I guess we'll just wait for it. That's not my conspiracy now. I've got to do a whole conspiracy. about how Jackie stopped holding from doing the conspiracies. What is she trying to hide? She doesn't want the truth to out.

Because this conspiracy theory this week was going to be about how Jackie doesn't have breasts. Nope. I'm pulling rank. I'm pulling rink in my big old meat lumps on top of my chest. Oh, here with me, and they're going to die with me. And she uses a secret entrance to In-N-Out, and I'm exposing it. Ew, never with In-N-Out. How dare you?

What do you mean? No, In-N-O. It's fine. In-N-Out is really. really good. It's just the lines at the drive-thru are way too long. Sure. I'll go with that. I'm saying it. I'm saying it right now.

It is very good, but I'm not going to wait that long. You got to go in and they go out. You go into the actual place. Not in quarantine, baby. More like boring teen. Yeah, right. It's more like boring teen, which is why we're going to have the list and then you must sing the song. Right now. Who's on the list?

Yay! Gotta add that list. Weird fixations that celebs blew the bank on. There've got some fun ones in here that I've never heard before. Did you guys know that Curly? Yes, I'm talking Curly from the Three Stooges, had a soft spot for stray dogs. He spent so much money feeding and caring for the strays, he took in, that he had financial trouble throughout his life. immediately makes me love Curly from the Three Stooges.

So this does make me love Curly, but it also reminds me of the way that a lot of stars had financial troubles throughout their lives, not because of their stray dogs, but because of various fucked-up financial structures in the entertainment industry. I'm worried about Curley, that's what I'm saying. I hear you.

Very much so. And also, I think pill addiction? I don't know if this is. Your brother told me about a Three Stooges book, I believe he read, where, I mean, they were pretty fucking crazy. Like every old school famous comedian or whatever it is. You know what I mean? Like, because there was no canceling or Twitter or anything. I mean, they were just apparently fucking psychos.

Whoa. Well, now I want to read through it. Now I need to read this. Well, that reminds me. Put a pen in it for later. We have to talk someday, if we've never talked on the show before, about the curse of the little rascals. because that is fuck. It's fucked.

We'll come back to it. Yes. Okay. Or we'll do a pop history episode and you'll be honest. Yes, please. You can come join us. Yes, yes, yes.

I would love that. Yes, anytime, yes. Done and done. But did you guys know that Charlie Sheen is obsessed with Babe Ruth? To the point that he had to sell $4 million in Ruth's memorabilia around the time his house was about to be foreclosed. Yes, because I did, I've heard everything. Oh, you've already heard everything.

Yeah, but did you know about MC Hammer's thoroughbred horses? That's fun. M.C. Hammer and his horses is not sad. Charlie Sheen and Babe Ruth sad. I'm not sure why, but that's just where the sad line is drawn. It's because he's wearing like a sick-ass MC Hammer like power suit while he's feeding his horses in this picture. MC Hammer, I guess maybe it's the behind the music that I saw. MC Hammer is like the poster child for trying for becoming rich and famous and then trying to support every single poor person that he grew up with essentially and like having all of them just bleed him dry of money and then he just went totally bankrupt he just he took everybody with him like all those dancers and stuff you see when you see him on like late you know on performances and stuff like those are all the people from his like neighborhood that he took with him and

And then it was just he tried to support literally like 20, 30 people. You know what I mean? Dude, it's like little peep, like the little peep doc that we watched. It was the same with that where he's just like he wanted to help everyone that he could. There's only so much you can handle especially if you're, you know, if you're mentally ill. There's only so much you can do for people. That was a rough behind the music because it was literally just like his generosity is what killed him. Oh, God.

Well, at least it wasn't his horses. because considering that just one of his thoroughbred horses was worth millions, it was not surprising that he eventually declared bankruptcy in 1986. So I'm assuming he didn't get rid of his horses. That's why it's because of the horses, Holden. Now I just have that Sonsa Lam song stuck in my head. Why? What was it?

Good and drag him away. I'm better put my dick between my fucking legs and dance around, so we got to keep it moving. Oh, yeah, please. It's too hot for that. But it's not too hot to find out that Quentin Tarantino tried collecting lunchboxes, but it was too expensive. This is, I just, I needed to say this because

this phrase, they really rape y'all on those lunchboxes is what he said about the lunchboxes. And then he said he switched to board games because it was cheaper. And then he said the N-word for no reason. He was like, why are we doing it? Why would you say that about lunchboxes? Jesus Christ. Quentin Tarantino wants to say too much.

That guy needs to be told that he needs to say less. Yes, and also spend less on his lunch boxes. And that Cameron Diaz is happy to lose acting income if she can snowboard more. That apparently when she pulled out of the movie a little game, it was because she didn't like the script rewrite. She said she wasn't really looking to work anyway because it's almost snowboarding season. Dude, that's awesome. If I was rich, like when I see actors who are really rich and keep working, I'm like, retire, bitch.

Like, you could just do fun stuff and not work. Have you considered it? Man, if I was rich, I would just be like, I'm rich enough. I'm going to go snowboarding. That would be, I've been in the mask. I've been in something about Mary. I don't need to do anything else. I'll just snowboard for the rest of my life.

Yeah, dude. Although, wow. It also, there's another. entry on this list, again with MC Hammer. MC Hammer wanted to help his old friends, so he gave them jobs. They made up most of his 200-odd employees. That's exactly, that's, well, they really, um, they canceled out the other one, but I'll take. I think I said 30 people, 200, bro.

200. And, which is, it's almost like these, um, two pays are his employees because Bert Reynolds. spent more than $100,000 on his toupee's. And apparently his reckless spending eventually forced him to file bankruptcy in 1996. Oh, come on now. $100,000 isn't going to bankrupt Bert Reynolds. It's really not that much for him.

Yeah. Right? He had to have something else going on besides the toupeees. Well, I think that he did. And I don't think it had anything to do with a gold-plated Cadillac like it did with Isaac Hayes. because apparently Isaac Hayes went broke due to his lavish spending, but also he was particularly passionate about cars,

and including his gold-plated Cadillac, which is now on display at Stax Museum of American Soul Music. I get it. Why would you want to get rid of a gold-plated Cadillac? If you have the money to buy a gold-plated Cadillac, I'm going to die in that gold-plated Cadillac. No one's ever going to take the gold-plated Cadillac from me. That's the only purchase in this whole thing that I'm like, hell, yeah, dude.

Fuck, yeah, dude. I want that. But that's all that is on our list for today. All that's on your list. But what's on my eyeballs, they seem to be blinding themselves. Is that a way to say what I want to say? Is it? Are you going?

No. Or yes. I think I'm going. Blind. Items. Oh, we can. We can't see them. All right.

I actually have four. Some are quick. We don't have to do all four. But let me just jump right into it. This one's incredibly obvious, but it's just a funny story. It looks like some of those disgruntled employees of the daytime talk show host got together and robbed her. Ellen? Ellen?

Yeah. What? Yeah. Last month, it was a break in an Ellen's $27 million home. And a newsletter from the Housing Association let residents know that it was an inside job. and therefore shouldn't be worried about other robberies which might possibly taking place. The residents include Oprah Winfrey,

Ariana Grande, Marianne Grande, Megan Markle and Prince Harry. I love that they were like, don't worry, she got robbed because people hate her. Yeah, it's an inside job. What? Because she's kind of like, her people hate her said they did it.

Did you guys hear? Because I had heard that she had been robbed like while she was in her own home. Yeah. Yeah. But that was kind of insane. Damn. Um, okay.

This is a little, this is incredibly problematic. It was not all that long ago that this one named permanent A-list singer used to throw slave parties where she and her guests would bid on people to be their slaves for the night. Oh my God. All right. Permanent A-list, one-name permanent A-list singer that I feel like people really are starting

to just not super love anymore. Madonna. Yes. Yeah. Oh. And there was a second follow-up blind item that said she recently held her birthday party in Jamaica last Sunday where she apparently... I did see the pictures of this, by the way. Where she apparently played her favorite game, according to the blind items.

Oh, my God. That is... And also, the pictures from her birthday party were rough. It was just like, girl, what... How are you so... How are you this detached from what is going on right now? Or do you truly just not give a fuck about what anyone else is going through? Either way, I don't want to be near you.

All right. Here's number three since we're keeping a moving so fast. The daytime talk show host not named Ellen likes to pretend she doesn't have a glam squad that visits her every day. She wants to be relatable so she emits that, like she emits lots of other things until she gets called out for them. Ooh, is this is this gonna make me frown or is it gonna make me smile? I don't know. Who's the daytime? Who's the lady?

She's a female woman. Kelly Clarkson? No. Fuck you. Wendy Williams. No. Okay, you're cool again, though. Um, I wait, I'm cool again?

She's a co-host. Is she from the view? No. What? Um, is she from the top? Not Hoda. No. She does it with, um, she does it with the guy that's thinking about.

leaving. Kelly Rippa. Yes. She recently posted a month-to-month set of picks showing the evolution of her gray hair roots on the gram, which I think is cool. I like her. She responded to a viewer on social media who criticized Ryan Seacrest and her appearance on their morning show, saying, quote, the only issue I have with this show and I watch daily since I'm at home nowadays is the lack of personal grooming. I mean, it's a nationally televised show. And I have to get dressed for every Zoom work call. So why can't you guys to which she's responded to when she responded, we are dressed, FCC rules, not mine.

And then she also wrote, I'll bring it up at the next meeting. I like Kelly Ripon. I send you guys that clip of her and Regis Philbin talking about how they were sitting next to Amy Goodman, who was like an amazing progressive journalist. And Regis Philbin is talking about how he,

this was like, Democracy Now, who Amy Goodman is the host of Democracy Now, they tweeted out this clip of Regis Philbin talking about how he was sitting next to Amy Goodman and he was like, what am I going to talk to this journalist about? I talk about nothing. And it's so fucking funny and she's like, him and, like,

Regis and Kelly are just both being like, we do dog shit for work. We do nothing. And they're so funny. And I was like, I think I might love Kelly Rippa. And in addition to her being married to Markansuelo, I think she's got a lot going for her. Yes. Yeah, I can also see that she probably has a team, but she doesn't

talk about that because she wants to be relatable. I don't think that's the worst thing. I get it, but of course she has a team. And it's also cool that she's posting her gray hair root evolution. Yeah, that's fun. But yeah, of course she has a team. You're not going to go on TV first thing in a damn morning and be that hot without having a team. No.

Yeah. No, of course not. Also, look at our ripcheas. You're already out to work out all the time. That's why they call her Kelly Ripper. Yeah, baby. All right, last one. And this one's a doozy.

I don't know why I said that is fine. This permanent A-plus list magazine editor kept her job but had to use every bit of her knowledge about the skeletons in the closet of those above her to keep it. The bridges have been burned. It is war there. Who's the only famous, like, magazine editor that comes to the top of your head?

What's her name from Vogue? Yeah, totally. You guys don't know her name, though? I feel this is weird. I watched a documentary about her. Yeah. I mean, I know her name. I'm just very hot.

And I'm like three winds deep. You guys guessed it already with the editor. In a win tour. Yes, in a win tour. So, and this is such a funny thing to read. And so I had to lay it down. The August issue of Vogue came to a surprising 90 pages with only 23 ads, including one for Vogue.com.

For comparison, last year's August issue was 149 pages. but this is the funny part. According to an insider, this is the quote. The fall fashion issues August and September are the go-to for all retail advertisers. Gucci is not advertising, nor is not, nor is Louis Vuitton or Ralph Lauren. Vogue is highlighting tacky ads by Kotex always and sketchers in their primary fall age. And then in horror, she added, the back inside page is Geico. Anything but the little lizard.

He's cheeky at least. Very interesting, though. Looks like Anna Wintour is fighting a losing fight to stay. That's kind of fun, though. Yeah, that is fun. Big news. I got no sympathy for her. There was a documentary I watched about putting together

the September issue because that's like their biggest issue. And it was really, it was, it was fascinating just from, um, especially from the standpoint of person who does not understand fashion. I don't know anything about it. So on outside of that world of that. And, and, and, but this is like the Vogue's, I believe it's the September issue, like, the most important, like, magazine event of the year for fashion and, and how they put it together.

Well, yeah, because it's right before all of the like fashion shows and everything for the winter, right? I see, look at how much I. know. Wow, she's so trendy. I saw the Devil Wears Prada so I think I know what you're talking about. That too. You do know. Yes. Okay, Devil Wears Prada. Funny story

really quick. I thought that actually it was about, like, it was like a supernatural comedy about a magazine editor that was actually the devil. And I was so disappointed when like there was no, I thought it was going to be like, you know, I don't know, something like death becomes her or like

No, just watch stay tuned instead. Yeah, I was like stay tuned or something. so disappointed. I was like, wait, wait, she doesn't have, like, devil and she's not, like, really the devil? No, she doesn't really mean, Holden. I thought it was like the associate, or what's the movie with, um, uh, The Devil's Advocate. The Devil's Advocate. Yeah, I thought it was going to be like that. I did so wasn't. I was so disappointed. I like that I could talk about stay tuned and devil's advocate, but I can't remember Anna Wintor's me. I think that really explains a lot.

Holden's watching Devil Wars Prada like, this is just a regular ass romantic fucking comment. For God's sake. I was seriously, I wanted, uh, once her punts to be like the devil and like she and, uh, she find, you know, she realized she's working for the devil at this job. No, the real devil is Adrian Grenier. Ooh, why? Because of drive me crazy? Well, because he's the boyfriend and he's all, I actually don't think he's the devil,

but there's a popular way of thinking about the devil where Merrill Streep is the real, is the enemy as it is presented, but a lot of people are like, Adrian Grenier is the real enemy because he doesn't want to support his girlfriend's career. I actually think that that's silly because her career sucks. So you don't have to support that stupid fucking career.

But he is like a whiny little boyfriend, so he might be the real devil. He's the devil here. Quick side note before I can start seeing again, I worked for Getty images for a while. And at one point I had to run like camera hard drives to New York Fashion Week

and I've never felt more out of place in my entire life. I was in it. You didn't fit right in? I was in the thick of New York Fashion Week. But I will say there was an open bar. There was an open bar. So I hung out by this Mercedes that was in the main area

and just, or is it BMW or something and just got weirdly hammered really fast at the end of my workday at this. Fuck you. I would love to do that. And just people watch. for like half an hour and then they got the fuck out of there. Man, when this pandemic is over,

can the three of us just accidentally, this is a great thing about when we were young and in our 20s, sometimes you just randomly end up at some really fucking fancy open bar and be like, oh, I guess I got to drink $250 worth of vodka in 10 minutes, you know, so that's what we have to do when we can all be together again. Yeah, totally.

All right, all right, we'll find ourselves at some sort. Let's just sneak into some sort of wedding. I think that's what we really need to do. Go to fancy hotel. Love it. Sneak into a wedding. Hit the happy hour. Get that open bar.

Yeah. Love it. That'll be our wedding crashers. 20, 21. Yes. I can super see again, guys. It's totally over. Welcome back.

Congratulations. But now I'm deaf, so I can't hear anything you guys are saying. Oh, God. Well, maybe it's for the best. Look at that little lizard. Look at that little lizard. He's over there sweating like little lizards don't. Oh, right.

So maybe he's not. He's some sort of weird hybrid. I do also want to give a shout out to someone that wrote into us. Her name is Amanda R. And she was in a horrible accident earlier this year. And she has made it through. And she has come so far from where she was months ago. And I just wanted to say,

congratulations. We're working so goddamn hard. I just hope that you feel my positive energy that I'm sending out to you right now. And I hope that you're listening to this. And you feel it because I'm hugging you and I'm hugging your soul. soul. And is that a sad thing to say? I hope that it's not because I just want you to feel my positive love. And we love you from page seven. Yes, we love you and congratulations, man, to have something horrible happen during this fucking time and to be getting through it. I cannot

tip my hat to you enough. Well, thank you guys so much for joining us this week. This has been page seven. My name is Jackie Zabrowski. And yes, we have started our journey into to Forks in Twilight. I am losing my mind for it, and I just keep, I may have kissed Jeff a couple times and said, I imagine this is what Edward Cullen's lips feel like, and he didn't appreciate it. And he said, does that mean that there's some sort of unfeeling,

like that they're cold? And I said, no, they're soft and they're luscious. But this, it's not going to ruin my relationship. Or you can listen to the breakdown of my relationship. on Patreon as we put out two chapters every week of the audiobook that I'm illegally doing of Twilight. Jackie, let's talk about it. Maybe we should do some group watch stuff in the future.

I would love to, especially if it was the three of us, do a group watching of the actual films. Oh, yeah. Yeah, but I'm reading it as I'm learning. I know nothing about it. Yeah, which would be great because you'll read it and then we'll watch the movies together and then you'll be that one of the trio,

that just like yells about all of the things that you read. About how it's different and wrong. Yeah, you can be like, it's not like this in the book. I'm ready because I'm falling in love. I am falling in love with Twyland. We should totally do that because I'm usually that person that's like, I've read the book and here's what the book is like. So I'll be happy to not be that person.

All right, perfect. Oh yeah. Check me out. Hold McNeely is my name and find in ladies at the bar to Neg is my game. And check me out Twitch.tv. Oh, man, they're going to have such a field day in the secret page 7 groups after this one. Check me out on Twitch, twitch. Twitch.com slash Hold Nader's Ho.

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