Page 7 - Ep. 405: Let’s Talk About Cheugy, Baby!

Episode Date: June 3, 2021

This week we goss bout Cheugy and what it means, Ellie Kemper and the Veiled Prophet Organization scandal, the start of Hot Dad Summer and Holden goes hard on Crocs. And in Conspiracy Corner; Could Holden be wrong about Ariana Grande stealing his brand?! Also, we got an EXTRA SPOoOoOoKY LIST! Want even more Page 7? Support us on Patreon! Patreon.com/Page7PodcastKevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 License creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0 Subscribe to SiriusXM Podcasts+ to listen to new episodes of Page 7 ad-free.Start a free trial now on Apple Podcasts or by visiting siriusxm.com/podcastsplus. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Oh, and this one goes out to Lil Nas X and a Lil Nas Holden because somebody got their driver's license. Red lights stop signs. I still see your face in the white cars, front yards. Can't drive past the places we used to go to because I still fucking love you, babe. Oh, I love it. I know that we already talked about

Olivia Rodriguez, but it seems aptly apropos. I know. That we sing it today because Holden McNeely, he's all grown up. He is 30 of glow. I was going to say, hey, 38. But that's not the word.

I'm pretty sure I'm 38. Are you 38? I have no idea how old is. Because I was like, well, at least I won't be at least we'll get the baby out before I'm 40 has been my thinking about negotiating with your age, which is something you have to start doing around the age of 28, I think, 27.

Yeah, 27. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's when you start negotiating with your age, like as the birthday comes around instead of just being like, it's my birthday, I just thought I had my friends and drink about it, you know what I mean? And you actually have to sit there and be like, um, as far as my timeline goes,

compared to all of my Facebook friends, it's going to be okay. I just need to get around this hump, you know what I mean? Like, and so that's what this year is. This year as well, you know, it'll be talking a little bit by the time I am 40. My favorite is that I was trying to get into a bar in Florida and I gave my ID, but I had the mask on. And so the guy was like, how old are you in looking at it as if he could do the fast math? And I was like, 32.

I know. That's not how. And I'm like, oh, come on, bro. I mean, my mid-30s. I have no idea how old I am. I'm one of them. I'm over 30. I'm the same way as you.

For sure, Jackie. I literally have to remember my birthday or by age every time someone asked me now. I have to think about it. It's crazy. This reminds me of when Gideon went to get his vaccine. He was so nervous. He barely left the house for the whole year. So it was like one of the only times he had like been in a public space.

And he was so nervous. He was there for a preexisting condition, which is hypertension. but they asked him what his pre-existing condition was and he said diabetes. And then he was like, no, no, no, not diabetes. What's it called? Hypertension. And he very much looked like he was faking it and making it up.

Yeah, making it up. That's so funny. You're like, I promise, no, just give it to me. Give it to damn. But yeah, I definitely remembered my age when I got my driver's license, though, and like, how spectacular and getting it again 20 years later and then being immediately forced to drive to and from up. hospital, fucking three days straight was insane. I literally got my driver's eyes. I was like,

too afraid to drive home that day. Lexi drove me home that day. Later that day, I drove us down the street to Chipotle on your own. Yeah, I finally got to drive on my own. Well, Lexi was with me, and I felt like a student driver. She could not have been more like terrified to be in a car with someone. Of course she was. She couldn't have been more terrified until slightly later when she was perhaps more terrible. Yes, but she was, and then had this all medical issue, which we could talk about as well. But, yeah, I was definitely like, oh, I'll just drive a teensy-wince bit for the next month, like, just, you know, down the street to kistles or, you know what I mean? Literally five-minute drives that are like one right turn away, right? You know what I mean?

Cut to your pregnant wife having to go to the hospital and you being like, I just imagine you screamed the entire way there. All right, I'm going to throw this out there, though. we talked about it. We had a bit of discourse about it. And between me being a brand new driver and those hills being crazy, because we had to get like through the Hollywood Hills to get to this hospital,

even though her pain was bad, her nausea was so bad. And she already gets so nauseous, even in the front seat of the car these days. She drove us to the hospital to take her there. How did she do the curves in that much pain? We had to pull over so she could throw up one time. So that was fun.

But she, it was just slight like we were like measuring the two. and we realized that like actually and you know just because she was so nauseous it was technically gonna be slightly better for her to drive to there because it's such a windy crazy fucking drive to get from here to the hospital so anyways

Hollywood Hills yeah it was Hollywood nights I thought about that song a lot of course thank you right as your wife is going but she's okay and the baby's okay She's okay, the baby's okay. Yeah, I guess we should say if anybody didn't see like my Twitter or whatever recently and I still haven't been that great at updating that. Yes, Lexi had a weird freak incident with her small intestine getting tangled. She had to get surgery. It was insane. It was like a crazy three days. And she is doing actually as of now she's really doing a lot better. She's still, she's on like an all liquid diet. She's not doing that fucking great. But she's at the hospital and like, my word, talk about, though, a difference between where she's at right now and where she was when we went to the labor and delivery ward in Cedar Sinai.

So, yeah, yeah. Man, your 20s are for pulling the car over to puke after a wedding and your 30s are for pulling the car over to puke while you are experiencing pregnancy complications. Yes, or just regular pain or any other medical crisis. Growing old pain. Yeah, it just is so. So, yeah, at least, I feel like I'm now getting more used to this, and I need to get used to this, right? I'm like, this is what's going to be like.

Kids are going to get sick. I'm going to have to drop everything, and we're going to have to deal with it all the time, right? I mean, that's what life is becoming, very, you know, pretty much. So, yeah, and things went so much better than they could have. So I'm feeling a lot better, and I'm happy to be here talking about celebs, y'all. Yes. The important stuff, yes, it's what matters. The very important stuff.

The white knuckling I have been doing in that car to drive. But I did. On the second day driving home, I realized I'm actually a lot more nervous with absolute silence. Like, it actually is good to have some kind of bedrock, like music or something. Yeah. Yeah. It's not like blasting or anything. So I put on some light music and definitely Olivia Rodriguez has been the soundtrack of my crazy experience getting a driver's license.

and then have to go back and forth from the hospital for the past few days. So that has just been some wild shit. Absolutely. But I got my fucking driver's license today. And, you know, I don't have to drive alone past my house, which is nice. She's... I love that, too, that the lyrics also are reminiscent of, like, oh, but that could also happen if my wife is in the hospital. Yeah, it's like, it's so funny.

You can actually weirdly take those lyrics and twist them into some pretty other meanings for sure. But, you know, I got to say, I'm weirdly obsessed with her, and it makes me upset because she is so young. But I've watched her S&L performances. I've watched all of her music videos at this point. And do I ston? Yes. It sounds like it's done. It definitely sounds like he stung.

And you know what? And she's super inspired by T. Swift. There's actually a song, I think it's called Two Steps Back or Three Steps Back or One Step Four. one song is like one step forward, three steps back in the chorus. And I noticed it too. This is how sick and twisted my mind is. I was like, wait a second. That kind of sounds like New Year's Day by Taylor Swift.

That like piano. Boom, bum, bum, boom, bum. Oh, singer-songwriter Holden McNeil. I definitely, I definitely wrote a song last night that I'll probably never. Is it about it little toes? I doubt I'll play it for anyone ever, but I did write a song last night. I want to hear it. What is it go like?

Give it. us a few bars. The lyrics, the lyrics are sad. The lyrics are set because it's all like, oh, I thought I was going to lose my baby. Oh my God, you are a singer-songwriter now. It's just like we predicted it's going to be all about the baby. It hit me. It hit me in a moment.

It hit me in a moment. And it was about the baby. Well, it was a double meaning with the baby because I also call him, I call Lexi baby. I guess I have to stop calling her baby. I call Gideon baby. It's fine. Actually, the other day, Freddie was like, sometimes you call Papa Baby. But you also hold Gideon like a baby

And treat Gideon like a baby That's the day you swaddle Gideon All that kind of stuff So I mean that makes sense The word baby can have It takes on two completely distinct meaning Yes Gideon also kind of walks like a baby

Just learning to walk like his toes or his feet pointed inwards And he sort of stammered Yeah in the lawyer's offices He goes googie goggy and he goes Whoa He just got crocs Baby lawyer

He's embracing hot dad summer Oh, yeah. MJ, what? He's got crocks and his crocs are next to the tiny baby cracks in the other day my entire family

was wearing rubber shoes except for me. MJ has you succumb, be honest. I am also embracing Hot Dad Summer but no, there's no crack.

I was like, well, now that my whole family is wearing rubber shoes because the kids have cracks but they also have these things called natives

which are like rubber like more stylish than crocs. They're like they look like sneakers but they're rubber also. But I will probably probably get myself some flofers, thanks to that listener who recommended the flofers,

because I was like, I got to, I can do Hot Dad summer, but I got to not do Crocs. I can't do it. Yeah, the flofers, I think, are a nice compromise for crock comfort with a little bit, little bit of style, or just a little bit of trickery. Give me the Crocs comfort, but make it trick me into the shoe looking not like a crock, like a big round. I hated clogs before, though, because I remember clogs were really in when I was like in high school, right? And I always just I cannot get around that super round tip. I mean, it looks like the bill of a cartoon duck. Which is my name.

I don't like it. I got to say, there's something about my husband and crox that is just working for everybody. Really? It would not work for me. Okay. And I, when my best friend got crox after he had kids, I was like, I don't even know you anymore.

But there's just something about my extremely dad, like, husband wearing the crocs. and it just works. It's just like it is what works for him. You know, I feel like I am kind of bullshitty for hating on Crocs as much as I do because I'm sure at the end of the day, I mean, they have to be comfortable, right?

They, I know they are. Clownish and stupid looking, but also like, I kind of, I sort of, I don't hate the player or the game, I guess I'll say, because it's like, why, you know, you're the one not concerned about how fucking goofy and stupid and idiotic and foolish you look. We're in the dumb-ass shit head shoes.

You know what I mean? You're fucking, yeah, you're confident in yourself to the point where you purposely are dressing like a complete fucking idiot. No, no, idiot. What are the little blingies called? I should get, I should get him some blingies for Father's Day. Oh, God, I always forget the name

and I hate them so much, Gidgets. Ghiblets? Ghiblets? Chudis? Is it Chuggy? Oh, I think it's Chuggy. Oh, let's talk about Chuggy. I'm so excited.

Let's talk about Chuggy. Let's talk about you. Oh, by the way, Chugi is not Starbucks, by the way. I want to get, I want to talk about this. I think Chuggy is Starbucks. Chuggy is Starbucks.

No, no, no. Yes, we started Chuguey. That's my year. We started Chuggy. Yeah. Chugie is like a descendant of Starbucks, but I always go back to this. And Starbucks, it's with a capital S.

It is a beacon of basicness. So it's not just that you are basic. It is that you are also like a mascot for being being. So you're saying Starbucks is like Queen Chuggy. Yes. Like that is like that is the head. of Chugis. Like the categorical representation of Chugie,

like there's only one, for your example, which we don't agree with, J-Lo. Like not everybody is Starbucks, only J-Lo is Starbucks, a regular person who wants to be like, J-Lo is Ch-L-E? Hold on a second. Can we just say, first of all,

hilarious connection between Starbucks and Dunkin' Donuts. Oh my God, Dunkees v. Starbucks. With Benjifer or whatever, right? Benifer, please. I will say, I will say, actually, there's some really interesting things going on here. Oh, Jenjuman. Oh, my God.

Genjimate. Yeah, either way, I think that's hilarious. Starbucks might end up is now back together with Dunkin' Donuts. They've reunited finally. But also, almost a better example, I would say, is Martha Stewart before she went to jail. Is Starbucks? Was Starbucks. Oh, you're changing the meeting. Jackie's right.

Jackie's right, because Jackie said, isn't Chew in the email, Jackie said, isn't Chewgy Starbucks. And didn't we, aren't we the thought leaders on this? And I did say, and I called it a me-spiracy. I said, are we being stolen from in front of our eyes? Is the concept of being Starbucks been yanked from our mouth and replaced with the idea of Chugi, get your Chugis out of my mouth, internet?

Quote Jackie Zabrowski. Thank you. I also want to say, Starbucks is a way funnier, classier term for it. Chugi sounds like something you put on a crock. You know what I mean? You like the word chugget? We are just fundamentally disagreeing on chuggy. It's every turn right now.

I can't. I can't believe this. There's one element of the Starbucks discourse that I haven't brought in yet, and I should have months ago because it's obviously, even years ago, I remember being in the studio with you talking about who was Starbucks. So I should have brought it in, and I'm sorry I've been sitting on it. But I, you know, used to teach in. in schools, many schools, some of which

where, you know, were schools where like very few of none of the kids were white and a lot of the teachers were white. And so the kids used Starbucks. I had noticed that they were often referring to me as Starbucks. And one day I was like, can you tell me what's going on with this? And they were like, miss, it's because you're white. And they're like, it's not personal to you. I get it.

It's just Starbucks. And so Starbucks, at least five years ago. when I was working in this particular middle school. That's amazing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was shorthand for the amongst the kids of like a white person. Perhaps it was a basic white person because I certainly was, you know, fairly basic. But they also called their teachers, Starbucks.

Like it was so it was a. Oh my God, we stole it from them. That's the thing. I think we actually stole it from the youth. Oh, no. And so so there is amongst, at least again, older youth culture, there is. Starbucks as a shorthand for white people. That's amazing.

Also, I feel like we've, we were full five minutes into the Chuggy Discourse. I don't even think we explained what it is. So Henry kept screaming that I was a Chuguey. We were yelling the word Chugie at each other in the airport, being obnoxious. Wait, hold on. Is Chugie an adjective an adjective or a noun? It's an adjective. So lost in the woods.

Also a noun. I am, I think I might be, I'm partial Chugie. Okay. Yeah, we got your DNA. results back, you are 20% chuggy. And you know what? I'm fine with that, I guess. So chugie is described as someone who is untrendy, out of date, or trying too hard. It's basically another way to say, quote, basic. However, some on social media are arguing that it is a self-awareness to chuginess that is far more actualized than basic. So when I say, I can say I'm chugie because I am

accepting the fact that I am Chugie, except I, you know, there are some phrases, which is why I thought of you both, because, like, there are hashtags like 20 fun instead of, like a 21. Shoutouts to T-Swift again. I'm feeling 22 was on the list, of course. Yes, just like T-Sway. I've always said T-Swift. See, that is, I guess, the more fundamental example of Starbucks. T-Swift is, I would say Starbucks, right? Oh, yes. And people who love T-Swift. generally might be considered kind of chuggy. I thought that chugie was like the like live laugh love.

That is yeah, yeah. That's more chuggy. Although I was, I did feel personally attacked, which I think that it is part of being a chugie, that the Garden State soundtrack is something that is understandably a chuggy thing. That's too. And when I saw that, I was like, God damn it.

You know what? You can't rewatch Garden State because I think that I talked about you to you guys. It's so bad. a couple years ago when a play. Yeah, yeah. We can't watch Garden State anymore.

But the soundtrack is good. Yes. Let go. Letka. Japan. It's good. There's beauty in the break.

It's just that thing, you know, it's the age-old situation. There's an attack right now on the, especially geriatric millennials, right? But millennials in general, by Gen Z. They're leading this weird attack on us.

Except, of course, they're not. It's like it is the, It is the 30-somethings that are writing the angry articles about it. Right, exactly. I'm not angry about it. I think also lean in, man. They're just trying to earn their $60 blog post. Yeah, exactly.

But I will say, you know, we saw this before. We literally just saw this with rent, right? Like, our thesis for that rent episode, pop history, check it out, was like it's okay to like rent again. And rent, you know, everybody kind of turned their backs on it because everybody does turn their backs on the thing that just was. but as soon as you get to one more, whatever the next generation is, is gonna look back on what these Ziers are calling Chugie and be like, I'm, give me Chugie.

You know what I mean? It's just what is. There's just a weird backlash from the, you know, it's the same thing as like rock and roll kids, hating hippies, you know, from the 60s. Because now we're in the 70s, baby. It's time for Led Zeppelin. You know what I mean?

With that girl and that shark. Sex freedom. I feel like the, my chugiest thing is like, I'm like a, I'm Florida Chuggy. Like I like, I don't like Live, Laugh, Love, but I like the signs, like the things that say like, but first, wine. Yeah, yeah. That's very, you know, yeah, it's the drunken, it's like chuggy and trashy meat in the middle. Yes.

Yeah. That's the thing. I definitely have like a rhinestone sweatshirt that says wines constantly on it with a wine glass. Yeah. Yeah. You know, it's things like that. But that I feel, because again, it's that self-awareness where I'm fine with Life's a beach ride the way.

This is a funny example I have for this, right? So one time Ed went to go meet a mutual friend of ours at like a super duber hipster party. And Ed dressed like, yeah, he's wearing like a dolphin jersey and flip flops. You know, he dressed like Ed. And literally someone turned to our mutual friend and was like, is he like doing like Normcore? And it was like, you know, that's just like how he dresses. But like if he was actually purposely dressing Normcore, then he would kind of be chuggy, I think. because he's like, I'm into this look purposely as being Chuggy,

and I'm repping Chugie. You know what I mean? Speaking of which, they're coming after Ed Larson hard in this. Ed's definitely Chuggy. Adults who love Disney. Disney adults. Disney adults are Chuggy. Ed is all about that Disney life these days.

He's so chuggy, bro. And Norm Codd. Ed can't be Chuggy because it's just pure authenticity. Like there's... That is also true. You know. He's not doing it for anyone but himself. It's what it's like.

It's true. We don't know what we're talking about. Nothing we've said in the last 10 minutes has any rel, I think is any truth by. It's nice to know what the kids are saying, or at least what the olds are saying that the kids are saying. Four TikTokers are saying. Yeah, what fucking five TikTokers say.

I think we all just want people to come at us for our natural basic style approach to life because then we've got to fight to fight. You know what I mean? And be like, I like me. And honestly, anything kind of at this age that makes me step to that, because I don't feel that way of, like, trying to be like,

I wear what I wear and I don't give a fuck about you, where I already went through those years. And now I'm just like, nobody gives a shit about it. You just get tired. Just get tired. Tired. I'm tired as it is. But that's completely okay.

And I'm fine with being chugie. And I'm also fine with the PDA spree that Tessa Thompson has been on. This headline, I was so angry. There's nothing to this story. I don't even know really why. I'm only fricking it up so that everyone knows that I'm mad about media referring to Tessa Thompson kissing more than one person in a week.

And that that is referred to as a PDA spree where she's celebrating her powerful expression of sexuality. What do you mean? She's just kissing. Yeah, I love the weird, like, double standard of like, Hollywood is all pediment. files, but that also like people just kind of having healthy situations seemingly like this are, it's also crazy and, you know, it's just like, whoa, whoa, whoa, what? These are grown adults doing grown adult things. You know what I mean?

Like this is not. Leave her alone. Yeah, they look like they're having a fucking blast doing absolutely completely acceptable on any social level things at this point. Millions of dollars making a marble movie. Just crushing it. It's such a basic, like the headline is so, it's like somebody read.

So chugy. Yeah, it is chugy. It's like somebody read one sentence about feminism 10 years ago, and it's like, is this lady being a lady in public expression of sexual power? It's like, what are you talking about? Yeah, what? Powerful. How is it, she's just having fun in between gids.

Just like a hot, kissing people. Hot celebrity kissing people. And is that just the thing? Is that different now? because maybe 10 years ago, she would have just immediately been called the slut, and now we're like, fun, kissing.

Yeah, but that's not really about her being, like, reclaiming my power. I feel like that's more just about, like, the context of society changing and getting slightly better. Here it is, of course. The writer of the article's name is Jessica Starbucks. No, it's not.

No, it's not. It all makes sense. I just love it. And I also, I want to say thank you to, someone sent in a clip of Taika Waititi playing a male stripper in a New Zealand show. Nice. It made me smile. God, he's got such smoldering eyes.

All right. We're just going to make noises for the entire episode. Yeah, that's it. The rest of it is my little horny sounds, and everyone has to hear it because I'm not in Florida anymore. So my horniness is finally returning. The dryness is going away. and the supple, wet juices are coming back to my loins. Weird.

The horny noises are just, it sounds like a gremlin eating. Like, I don't even know. I love eating. You try to tell me you don't get horny when you eat. It depends on what I'm eating, but every once in a while. Yeah, sometimes. It's like, you know, a moist pie. Ooh, yeah, no, that is exactly what I was going to say.

A really wet pie. Like a pie where you're like, is this soup? Is this soup? I mean, there's crust on this soup. There's crust on this soup. It's like, it's not soup. It's not soup. It's actually pot.

You know what I mean? You can't even tell. You're like, is this a broth? What is happening? What is in this whole? Oh, God, you're saying all these words together. That's really, really uncomfortable. So upsetting.

Obsetting in a very different way than the article that I had just sent to you. So I was really, I didn't want to include it in the links. I didn't get time to read it, so I need you to explain it. Oh, yeah. I actually, I was hoping, I was surprised this wasn't included, only because I was like, as soon as it started trending, Giddy, it was like, you might want to read about this because you're probably going to have to talk about it on page seven.

And I was like, ah, I, because I wanted to find out more information before I jumped to the conclusions that the internet was referring to. So yes, we are talking about Ellie Kemper, who is the lead in the Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt, who is facing, I just kept seeing like, Ellie Kemper, KKK Princess, trending. And I was like, oh, God, oh, Jesus, what fucking happened? And so Ellie Kemper was a part of a pageant in Missouri

called the Veiled Prophet Ball. And that, according to the internet, is a pageant that was made by the KKK. Wow. And they are all evil and that Ellie Kemper should be kicked out of Hollywood. Now I was like, all right, well, let's like, let me just let me look at this for a second. Because there's no way I feel like in our cancel culture that she could have gotten this far, having been a KKK princess.

Yeah. Especially being in a show about like getting out of a cult, right? And I would assume that people would look into this kind of thing. I'm like, it can't be. and if I'm picking up what they're putting down is that the Vailed Profit Organization puts on a essentially like a beauty pageant every year they do this big parade in the town

and it was created the Vailed Profit Organization was created in the late 1800s by a member like one of the creators was a member of the KKK and it did have a lot of roots in disgusting and it didn't allow black people or Jewish people until 1916. 79.

Right. And she, and again, old absolutely disgusting. And I wish no one would be a part of this. But in 1999, at the age of 19, Ellie Kemper became, was crowned the queen of love and beauty, which is the, their, you know, fucking secret society. Yeah, man. He's like, what? Why?

Hi. No, we don't say. I do. I have a princess. And so, and they are, like, have come out in speaking against it of, like, we've been allowing Black people and Jewish peoples since 1979. What do you want for us? We took to 1979.

It's big. Come on. And so it's hard because, like, I don't think that she should be canceled because of this. Like, it is never, like, she was 19. I'm going to guess she probably got a scholarship. Her parents, apparently she comes from, like, crazy money. and that it was like a status thing. I knew so many people that were in Catillion.

I know that Catillion is not a KKK organization. However, it was like, I feel in my brain, it's that same thing of like, when you're 18, 19, and your parents are like, you're going to do this thing, and you're like, all right, I'll do this thing. Right. I feel that it was different. It would be different if it was back then, right?

So I don't, I think it's too far to say KKK princess. I just think that that is too damning of a, phrase, you know what I mean? But this is the problem with the KKK, she was doing a little bit of PDA. And you can't have KKK. Oh my God. Well, then it's a celebration of her sexuality. So I don't know what to be. Yeah, yeah, that's actually okay. The problem with the KKK is that, you know,

even a little is too much. I want it all got. I want it all gone. There's no amount of KKK that is okay. It's okay KKK. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's never okay. It's never okay, yeah. I was like reading about this and I was like, I don't really see this is a personal indictment of Ellie Kemper at all. I think I see it as an indictment of that, that organization. More so, though, perhaps you could say it's an indictment of, like, her, I saw people being like, this might be an indictment of, like, her family, like,

the previous generations, right, who are, like, rich, white Southerners, right? Who probably have, you know, having ties to an organization like this. And more so than ever, to me, the story is just like, yeah, look at fucking, there's just this racist history everywhere. Everywhere. Like, it's, so it's, it's a, it's like a, it's just like a, the wrong takeaway to be like Ellie Kemper is the Grand Wizard of the KKK. Yeah. I feel like the better takeaway is like there is racism in the roots of fucking everything.

And that's not to say it's not a big deal. No, it's a very big deal. Systemic racism needs to be attacked from every angle that we can and recognizing these things. That is, I think it should, it is good to recognize it of like, okay, then let's talk about why this is still going on. Right. Why is this still a part of the history of our country right when it should be shut the fuck down. Right. Right. And if they're good, if their thing is like, well, now we allow black people. It's like, okay, well, perhaps there needs to be some sort of rebranding from like the, what the organization had been or whatever the, like, but it's, to me,

right. It's like, and I think I also saw people going the other way and of being like, who wasn't in a thing that was like this. And it's like, let's like let's recognize this, that this is like a, like these types of clubs and these types of things like have a history. Right. There's Catillion. There's the debut top balls and all of that. And there's, especially if you're talking about, uh, historic, uh, you know, uh, organizations or, you know, clubs like this and particularly in the South, although of course not, not only there. Are you going to have these like longstanding racist institutions? But, Yeah, to me, this was such a, the way that the story was framed was so funny because it was like, as if kind of Ellie Kemper was like a leader as opposed to just like very like, like, she was in a beauty competition.

That I mean, normal. Yeah. Right. She was in a beauty competition. Yeah. And it's not, again, it's not to say it's not extremely fucked. It's just also very normal. And that's the point.

It's very normal that these types of, and it shouldn't be. Right? And it's, yeah. It's unfortunate to, all right, so I have this other article, but it's all coming fast and loose. So I forgive me if this is also bullshit or whatever. I'm saying I'm coming and the come is happening very fast. And it's happening very loose. Let it go. Let it go.

The title of this article, which was what, came out literally a few hours ago, is the rush to cancel Ellie Kemper is based on a lie. And it says in this, the specifics of the story like this matter a lot, calling someone a KKK princess, which I guess people are calling her, is a huge allegation, and if untrue, as all the evidence here suggests, a pernicious charge. The Veiled Profit Group had a white-hooded costume in the 1800s, but it predates the visually similar clan costume by about four decades. There's no organizational link. That's not to say there's nothing racist or elitist in the group's history, but Kemper has not been burning crosses and murdering people.

Indeed, by her time, the Vailed Prophet was 20 years post-de-segregation, not long, though I can imagine it feeling that way at 19. As Slate notes, at least some pageant competitors have been black and her participation should not quote damn Ellie Kemper. So I think that there's definitely, it definitely sounds like she did not willingly inter a race. She might want to make a statement.

Probably. Speaking toward it. It's just one of those things where it's like, yeah, you can be like, oh yeah, yeah, the ugly history, this country, this club, sure. And it's, right. But also like I went to a high school where they wouldn't,

take down the hanging tree that was over our football field because my school was built on an orange grove and does that mean that I know that's not exactly the same thing but it's like we knew that it was there the city wouldn't take it down we were I was part of organizations in my high school to work to take it down but like does that damn me because I grew up in a racist as fuck place. Right. I think that it's, I think that to whatever extent, Ellie, you know, I would be fine to have her be asked some questions about this. Yeah, I know, she didn't talk about it. Right. Like, and if, if kids were from your high school, like, proudly took pictures in front of that tree, they should be damn for that, right? Like, you know, but again, it's like, I feel like this is,

it's just, it's just highlights how this, there is just murder and racism in this, in every, route coming up from our country. And like, so the fact that Ellie Kemper is definitely was a part of an organization that had fairly maybe more explicit roots in that. Again, I think it's fine for her to be asked about it. I don't think that she, I don't, and I don't think the people were necessarily trying to cancel her. And to also release the same day as the Tulsa massacre.

Like, and the same, like, it was all of that where it's just like, man, social media is just like, like, it can do. Like, which, yes, please raise awareness of, uh, of sharing our country's history that is not spoken about. But then you're gonna do this, we're like, but Elie Kappa KKK princess!

Yeah, I don't, I don't think she is a KKK princess. I don't think we can conclude that she is a KKK princess from this history alone, nor should we. But I do think there is value in, yeah, in highlighting some of these,

some of these, like historic, previously kind of unremarked upon or still revered traditions, where if you like, let's look closely at this old tradition, ooh, maybe we shouldn't do that tradition anymore. You know what I mean? Yeah, I think that this is actually, now that I'm like quickly reading some things. And by the, I'm going to throw this out here.

If our conversation ages like milk because new shit came to light, it is June 2nd. It is 1.30 p.m. We know she hasn't spoken out yet. All I have is what's in front of me, but I'm seeing a lot. Yeah, that's a good point. I'm seeing a headline from the AV Club. It says, oh, great.

Ellie Kemper is yet another rich white celebrity with a racist past. but I'm also seeing all these other, the real story behind all that Ellie Kemper Twitter trauma from the LA Times. Ellie Kempir, how Twitter turned Kimmy Schmidt into a KKK Queen, you know, and kind of talking more towards like, it seems like this pylon happened,

and you know what's going to be the result of this, which is the most annoying part? This literally is just going to give the fucking, like, bitchy comics of the world more like cancel culture dialogue to bitch about. Right? And so it's all, none of this is helpful. None of what's happening right now is helpful for anybody on either side of this. I just don't throw that out there as well. Like it's just going to give more fuel for the fire. I agree with you that people will be like, cancel culture gone too far. But I wonder, I wish that there was a way or I wonder if we are moving towards it as society where it is possible to be like, oh, look at this, this, this title that she won in high school is from a organization with a really fucked up history. I wonder if we should note that as part of her whole thing. It's a celebrity.

But without going. Maybe in an interview, ask her about it. But to see, you know, and I, I'm in a previs this with like, I really like the AV Club, but I don't love that headline. I don't think that that's helping. But again, that's why I didn't include the Lincoln hour, because I was like, let me see. Because at first I was like, oh my God. You're right, right. It's such.

KKK princess. Yes. Could you imagine being labeled that overnight by Twitter? Yeah. Fucking nightmare. Yeah. And again, yeah. I didn't want to add to it, but it is, I think, important to discuss these things of like,

there, you know, there is a line of, again, like, if there was like, you know, I even brought it up the fact that Kim Kardashian came out now saying that she got COVID after that trip. Yeah, that's so fucking funny. Everyone on Instagram flipped out about. Of course she did. And it was like, that is dangerous. That should be being pulled out of like, it is dangerous for celebrities to. use their platform to encourage people to do things that put other people in harm's way

or put themselves in harm's way. I think that it's yucky. And so it's like on the opposite end of like, she should be getting, like, I feel like she owes a fine. She needs to give more money to, like, charities, the fact that, like, people that see her going like, man, Kim Kardashian-Stuy. Cartman? Is that you?

Cartman from South Carolina. Yes, it's Cartman. And I want cheesy fries. What is he? What is he? I don't know why I remember that, but it's in my brain. Yeah, bizarre. Thank you.

It's been a minute. So I know it. I shouldn't even be mad because, like, celebrities are different. Celebrities can get away with a lot more. They have a lot more opportunities. They get a lot, like, when you think about it, celebrities don't pay for a fucking thing. They get everything for free.

And so it is hard to look at that and then to see Ellie Kemper, KKK Princess, which, like, she didn't, like, I don't want these organizations to exist. anymore. But if I did something like that at the age of 18 and it's like, oh, I don't know. Right. Yeah, but also, I will say, come on, people, stop naming events or attending

events with creepy names. Although the veiled prophet ball. That's like insane. What are we in twilight? Like, yeah, that sounds exactly like what Bella would be invited to by the fucking vampires. Yeah, it sounds fucked up. All that shit. All that. Honestly, most

balls for teens. Don't, you know, High school dances, yes. Most of these things where your parents are involved, any daddy daughter dance, like virginity promises, it all reminds, it's all linked, racism and patriarchy, all swept up together. And I don't know if there's any overlap between those types of creepy-ass daddy daughter pledge your virginity to me, dances and this.

But there's a lot of historic dances for teens that should probably, be canceled. Oh, now you're making me think about Bridgeton a little bit there with the dances. About you. No, I just think all together I would hope that my kids would not want to be involved in any kind of beauty pageants. I would hope at that point that they wouldn't want to do those things. But I guess, you know, I can't, like, what would you do if your kid came to you and was

like, I want to be in a beauty pageant? I want to go do it. I think the takeaway at least now from this. Ellie Kemper story is that as if you are listening and you're a parent and your kid comes to you and wants to do beauty pageants, that's what, okay, then maybe it's possible to do that and have it not be steeped in all of the toxic things about that that we know of. But research the organization and make sure that it is not like a historically racist organization. That would be, I think, a good first step. Sure. Yeah. And another good step would maybe be a celebrity conspiracy. What? Do you believe it? that Holden might be wrong about Ariana Grande stealing his brand?

No. Wow. Who is speaking out against you? Wow. Who did it? Oh my God. There is some slight evidence to back it out. I'm going to just preface this whole thing with whatever.

Maddie might have a point. She might have a point, but I'll leave it to the judge and the jury. And by judge, it already mean Jackie and MJ. Yes. High page seven says Maddie. First of all, I love you guys in this podcast. Now, I just need to talk to Holden. It's important that you know that Ariana doesn't even like the term

Arionators. A fan once joke tweeted about us being called ponytail's, and Ari replied, shit, that's better than Arionators. I still want to know who came up with that BC. By the way, Ariana, I still, I, lowercase, I still want to know K&O, who came up W that BC. We need to talk. I liked Ariana Army best, because

that's what grandpa called y'all Ariana Army honestly I agree says Maddie right but that makes yeah because she's like an evil like you know in like an evil person movie right she's like Maleficent or whatever yeah she's got the whole thing

going on honestly I agree and I'm sure Ari would be more than happy to let you have the Holdenators title oh let me have oh will she bequeathed will she bequeath to me oh I hope one day that there will be truce because I hate when my faves are fighting.

And not to guilt you, but grudges are probably really bad for babies. Oh, my God. That really, that touched me. Wow. That touched me. The faves fighting especially. I feel you on that, Maddie. Okay, that's all I got.

I love you guys and the pod. I'm 21, and you guys are the only reason I know who Tom Cruise and John Travolta are staking. Oh my God. That's amazing. Tell us about you, Maddie. Tell us about it. Explain it. I didn't know that anybody in their 20s.

Listen to us. That's great. There's a PS that may kind of be the reason why I actually went with this one as the episode. P.S. It's also important that you know that black fans are called Moka Grandes, which I love. Side note, which I think is amazing. We consider ourselves a separate faction from Arianators. Wow.

I won't get into it because it's a whole thing, but I think you need to know about it. Okay, my heart. Wow. So I will say, with my wife in the hospital and me, just needing to like turn my brain off at the end of the night. I did actually give, excuse me, I love you, the Ariana Grande Netflix special a shot. I haven't completely finished it.

I've been watching it in chunks. And I appreciate the game, all right? She's, it's so funny. She is the opposite of Taylor Swift. Like her whole thing is her, she has an incredible singing voice and like incredible dancing. It is literally the opposite, right? Whereas like, T's like known for her songwriting

and like being able to like play. instruments and all this kind of stuff. And so I was just watching, I'm like, wow, it really is kind of amazing. Like they really should be nemeses and like if this was like a Marvel movie, right? Yeah. And I will say she has an incredible talent.

But I will also say that she did write when her album was dropping H-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O. I don't even know how many those, right? I'll stop, okay? But it was a lot, which is the same thing. that I do with my brand. So even if Arianeators got away from her, maybe she's like, now she realizes like,

oh, this guy really is upset. Now I'm gonna change my whole approach to this and be like, oh, I never even wanted Arionators, right? Seems like an aria grande ass thing to do a little bit. So it always comes back around. But Maddie, I want to say, I respect your staun. I respect the talent there.

and I'll stop coming after her. Really? If she does some more shit, yeah. If she goes on, she's like, oh, started my new Twitch page, you know what I mean, and does the whole thing, you know. She starts putting people in whatever jail. Yeah, putting people in life.

Yeah, putting people alive for jail. Yeah. I started a podcast. It's called page seven and a half. You know what I mean? Then we're going to start having issues. Then we're going to start having some new issues, but for now I will let it lie.

But my question is for you to, do you think Ariana, after this information has come to light, is clearly stealing my brand, which is obvious, but I'll ask anyways, do you think, but it's clear. I wish that the whole part was addressed in this conspiracy theory because there are two different questions to answer for. That is a weird move because that's not even associated with the like Orionator thing.

Like what a weird just thing to copy of mine. But I don't know. The letter writer did cite evidence and I'm very convinced by the citation. There was a link for the tweet, by the way. So it was confirmed. But I can't forgive her for the hoe. I still think she's stealing. I think she is stealing from you.

You are my work husband and my rider die. And I'll put her in the ground if I see. So, Maddie, I would go hi. But Maddie, I will lay off because I don't want your heart to hurt over our fight that we're having that Ariana knows about. She knows that we're having this fight. Yeah, she does. And the special is pretty good And you should check it out

It's on Netflix No, and her last album is pretty good I do, I think But it's also hilarious The Nimissi I forgot about another thing Scooter Braun's in the thing He's in the beginning

Of the special Right? Yeah and he's like She's gonna have a great show Yeah like he was like I'm so proud of her Like he wasn't in it Like as a bad guy either

Like he's just like In it as a supporter of her I mean he also what Justin Bieber her I was but to say I wonder she's probably still In contract with him So there's not I imagine

There's not a whole lot You can do about that Yeah but he said the documentary. I don't know. I mean, that's where he's special. That's tough. You didn't need to be in the special. It's a weird way.

No. So anyways, but either way, I hear you, Maddie. And thank you for writing in. But now, it's time for our shout outs. Shout. Shout. Shout. Shout. Shout.

Okay. These are the emails that you wrote about. Come on. We're reading them to you. Come on. And again, if you guys ever want to write in, even just to say hi, send us anything, give us shoutouts, hit us up at page 7 podcast at gmail.com. I read through all of them now. I put it into my schedule because that's what I have to do.

Because if I don't, I forget to do everything. So my first shout out, I've got two shoutouts, two people that sent in thanking us for mentioning Narcan last week. And I just want to give a shout out to Kaylee, who wrote in. and talking about working for a nonprofit in the rural South who provides harm reduction services to those who are actively using and struggle with substance abuse disorders and talking about just how difficult in the struggle of working where she works and doing what they do.

And thank you so much for struggling against a community that doesn't want you there and doesn't want you helping. And I just want to say personally, thank you very much for working with that organization. And I also want to say a shout out to Aaron, who wrote in to tell us about dancesafe.org. Dancesafe.org. And they sell fentanyl test strips and drug tests for a reasonable price and have instructional videos on how to use them.

But they have given them peace of mind when you can actually test your drugs for the amount of fentanyl that is inside of it. And that is, you must. You have to. if you're going to use blow right now. Listen to me. You have to test it at least. But I'd rather you did it.

Jesus Christ. I get up very upset about it. It makes me very, very mad. People dying for no fucking using. I know. It just drives me crazy. So you're saying this is more important than my beef with Ariana Grande.

Is that what you're saying? No. I'm saying they're on the same level. And also on the same level. I want to give a shout out to Mike and his wonderful wife, Laura. After nearly five years of marriage, she has her last naturalization interview tomorrow, and it's the last step before being officially sworn in as a U.S. citizen.

He says, we met in grad school in a 19th century American lit course called Revolt and Rebellion. Since getting our degrees, she's worked really hard to become an amazing teacher and has spent the pandemic doing anti-racist educator training and helping out with a club on campus that specializes in undocumented immigrant student outreach. She's the best person I know, beautiful inside and out, and I know the impact it would have hearing a shout out from you guys. She's a huge fan of the show, and Jackie was the one to introduce her to Lizzo,

so she will totally freak out in the best way possible. And we love you so much, and also to you, Laura, for doing so much great work. Congratulations on becoming, you know, I imagine becoming a citizen of this country right now has probably got you feeling in a lot of ways. But I am so happy. that you're doing so much good work, and thank you so much for joining us on this Hell

Cruise we call America. I got another birthday shout out, chown it out. And this goes out from Betty to her best friend, Lauren, whose birthday's on June 4th. We've been friends for over a decade. In addition to being a shining light in my life, she also got me into page 7 and last podcast. And we had an absolute blast of the live page 7 Wizard the Bruiser show. the bell house. And I hope she has a special birthday. And I can't wait to sing meatloaf song and see

last podcast network shows together hopefully soon. We love you, Lauren. Happy birthday, Lauren. And I've got another great shout out. Now this goes out to my twi babies out there, but also to you and beyond. I had a wonderful person write in that told me about an organization. So for you guys, because I know you don't read Twilight, there is a tribe that is included in the book, called the Quillute Tribe. And Stephanie Meyer has never really done anything to raise money for them or help them in any way.

And there is an organization right now called Move to Higher Ground, school fundraiser Quillute Tribe website. If you look up Move to Higher Ground, you can give money towards the Quillute tribe and that they are currently trying to move schools on their land because of rising sea levels. Oh, good.

And they need our help. So you know what, especially if you're a dry baby fan, give back where Stephanie Meyer left people in the fucking dust. And I've got one more shout out. We have another birthday coming up. And it's a sissy birthday. And I love sissies together. And someone wrote in, said,

my sister is turning 30 on June 6. And they wanted to let me know. It was very cute because they wrote me this email weeks ago. I was like, I think that I'm sending it in too early, but I've got anxiety about it. And I remembered. Wow. So I, yeah, I am clapping myself on the back for this one.

They say, my sister Reeve has been a David Bowie fan since she was a child. If there's any way to sing her a little bit of David Bowie, she's turning 30 this year. And I, um, want to say, there's a star woman turning 30. And I hope she'll have a bear with me, but I guess I got to find her. I don't know. Oh, well, she lives, but I guess I'll sniff her out. Oh, it's David Bowie, but it's not his birthday. It's Reeves' birthday.

Yeah, I just made that up. That is, those are my birthday shoutouts to you guys and for everyone. And thank you guys so much for writing in to page seven podcast at gmail.com. And it makes me smile and it makes me feel so good. And I try to write back as much as I can. But my problem is a bit of a word smith, if you will. And I take too long. I just simply, I'm like, Jackie, just why do you have to write an essay in response?

But I can't stop myself because, you know what? I like the typing of my little fingers. And but we also, don't worry, we still have the list to get to. Oh! Who's on the list? Jackie! Gotta have that list. Ooh, 13 of the most wild celebrity supernatural experiences.

Of course I was pulled in because Cher is up top, and we know that Cher is a, Woo, who, it's a woman. But did you also know that Miley Cyrus is as well? Back in 2009, Miley Cyrus says she stayed at a haunted apartment while she was on tour in Europe. While there, Miley began having terrifying, dreams and experiencing unexplainable events, particularly in the bathroom.

While Miley's mother didn't believe her at first, things changed when her aunt visited and also had a supernatural experience. Miley says, it was seriously so terrifying. One night, my little sister, it sounds crazy to tell you, but she was standing in the shower and all of a sudden I hear her scream. I run in there in the water and somehow flipped to hot. It wasn't like the water had just changed. The knob had turned.

she hadn't turned it and it was burning her. Before I felt this, I thought I had seen a little boy sitting on the sink, watching me take a shower so I felt like you freaked out. I love it. It's just like an elf. I was sitting there the next night and maybe I'm crazy, but I could have sworn I could see this little boy sitting there on the sink kicking his feet. Spooky.

Love it. Yeah, so creepy. It always has to be a child. It's so scary. That's fun. La la la la. That's what I imagine they all sound like, oh, never listened to, was it not the Poultergeist.

The, you know, it is, the Poultergeist soundtrack. I stayed in an Airbnb once, and they only, they had a record player and only one record, and the record was the Poultergeist soundtrack. And that's very creepy when you're staying in an Airbnb trying to play pool, and it's just like, la la la la. Like, why is this the only, hit me? How is the place not? Hit me like a red,

And Chloe's seven-ye went through a rough experience, which inspired her to do the movie Lizzie. Years earlier, Chloe and a boyfriend spent the night at the Massachusetts house where Lizzie Borden allegedly killed her father and stepmother with an axe in 1892. She says, I kept hearing all these weird moaning and groaning noises, but there wasn't anybody else in the house. It was terrifying. It was pretty early, and my then-boyfriend was like, I have to leave. He had a strange experience where he felt a pressure on his chest on shadow people. I really like.

I love it too. Yeah, I like haunted stuff. Have you guys ever been hot? I've never been hot. I think I'm closed off to ghosts. Same. Yeah, I've never been haunted. But I'm, I used to be a total scully,

but I've become more of a molder. Me too. I'm so skeptical of like every, I'm like, yeah, yeah. But I also do you think that there is stuff going on, and I think if you're open to it more so, it's like an energy thing. I don't know. I think it's just honestly, it is paying attention in a different way. I think that if you believe, in the same way where it's like, if you don't believe, like, it's not even on your radar.

So I think that you're more tapped into, but also you would find yourself, I would assume, more likely in places that, like, Henry's old department was haunted completely. And what's crazy is that... Wait, which one? Oh, the last... that he lived in. Yeah, yeah. And his neighbor, when I first talked with him, he was like, I do not believe in ghosts. I still don't know what this is.

And he had three different instances where down in the parking lot, he was like, and I was walking and I thought that there was someone walking behind me because I heard the footsteps and the door locks behind you. So he kept the door open. And all of a sudden, like the steps were getting fast. But he's like, I was holding something. So I'm holding the door behind me open. And the steps are moving.

as if they're trying to make the door. And then I turned around to look to see where they were. And he just felt like something pushed through him, like a wind pushed through him. And then there was nothing. And he was like, I don't believe in it. And he saw a figure down there other times, right? Yes, he saw the outline of like a shadow person multiple times.

And I definitely felt weird shit in that place. Talk about a terrifying too. I mean, it's similar to my parking garage. It is the creepiest place to have that. You know what I mean? It's not, it's underground. It's like not a good scene. I would be so terrified.

You know how echoed is. It's all cement. So it's like, he knew what that, he knows what that sound is. Yeah. That's very, very scary. And I think, honestly, L.A. is a very haunted place.

Yes. It is, it's a lot of demons in Los Angeles. You know, you know what it is? I think it's when a place is so, it's so sunny. and it's so, like, flashy, and it's Hollywood and this and that. I think when you set yourself up, it's very Ellen, right? You set yourself up as one thing, then that other, that dark side is going to be there even, you know, 10-fold.

So many people have been, have wrongs to write, you know. Yeah, yeah. It's Hollywood is the Ellen of haunting. Yes, all dead-eyed. I excited. Of course, some of the names on the list, you know, like Kristen Stewart, of course. You know, of course she's tapped in. We know that Cher is definitely tapped in.

Share goes on to say, I love ghosts. I actually think that Sunny makes a light go on. I have a beautiful chandelier that he makes the light go on when it is impossible. There's no power on that connects to this chandelier. She says, I love ghosts. I prefer ghosts to some people, which is a very share thing to say. I love her. And God bless that prankster electrician.

And if you listen to our Kesha episode, you will know that she has had sex with a ghost. She said, I did go to the bone zone with a ghost. I don't know his name. He was in my house. He just started caressing me. It was a sexy time. It wasn't like sex, which, you know, who knows? I'm sorry, who knows?

And then there's Keanu Reeves, who is the last on my list. Ooh, I'll go visit him as a little ghostess. Keanu Reeves once shared that when his family moved from Australia to New York when he was a child, he had a strange experience in their new home. He says, I'm probably like six, seven years old. We'd come from Australia. Renata, our nanny, in the bedroom. My sister is asleep. She's sitting over there.

I'm hanging out. There was a doorway and all of a sudden this jacket comes waving through the doorway, this empty jacket. There's no body. There's no legs. It's just there. And then it disappears. I was a little kid and I thought, okay. Okay, that's interesting.

And I looked over at the nanny and she was making a terrified face. And I'm like, oh, wow. So that was real. Jackie, I'm alone at my apartment right now. Stop. I know I saw you looking around. Do you hear something in your house?

I don't like this. No, I don't. It's the middle of the date. I can still scare him. Oh, stop. And that's my list. I'm the lepricot. No, you want to get really upset, though.

I keep pushing it. I need someone else to watch the movie Supernova. If you want to be scared, but like a real life fear, watch the movie Supernova. Holland for Stanley Tucci. I need someone else to watch this fucking movie. Well, I can't watch anything right now because I think I'm going blind.

We can't see them. Well, it does the job. Sometimes it does the opposite. Yeah, no, I like it. Takes a village, you know. It does take a village. I only have two, but one's really long, and the whole thing where I thought

like my wife was going to die or whatever. Yeah, I think I guess you get a pass today. Fine, just today, though. All right, here we go. First blind item. This A-list actress slash sometime director is calling on friends with huge social media followings to lob grenades at her ex.

Angelina Jolie. Wow, what? Because he just got partial cuff. of the kids and she's pissed. Yeah, she is pissed. She's very excited about it. Yes, I have been following that. And I, um, it's, you know, when sometimes I read through, I go through my worm times and

like, nobody cares about this, but I've been following it very closely. Um, but please, what is she reaching out to? You were so fast on this. I don't have any more details. That was just that. There was no, like, article. It didn't link to an article or anything with more details, but that's up, that's the blind. Yeah.

So that would make sense. She really doesn't want Brad Pitt. having custody over. I am so curious about that because, like, obviously custody battles are like, but like, is there a reason why she doesn't want him to have custody? He is now, I believe he is now sober. Yeah. But when they were together, he was not.

And she didn't feel that he is a safe person for the kids to be around. To watch that. And I can only imagine feeling that way. And even if your partner or your ex has changed, that's, I don't see. Real fucking change before I would allow my kids to be around them. Cough, cough, cough. Josh Dugger's wife, you, I'm not going to go down. Oh, right, can we not with all that business? I get, I go down these worm times, I keep them to myself.

All right, this next one's long, and I really just like the story. All right, wind us in, wind us in. See if you guys can figure this out. This is from like a little, a ways a little while ago, and I'll try to get more details if you need. There are and have been, and always will be celebrity couples who do a lot of drugs together. But what sets them apart is usually we know they are a couple. No one knew this pair. At just about the height of their fame were a couple.

You had this A-list, mostly television actress who has a couple of hit shows to her credit, and this A-list actor who has a couple of hit shows to his credit, when this occurred, he was in the second year or so of his first run, and she was a few more years long into hers. They met at a party where they bonded over lines of Coke. That led to three or four nights of sex and coke, which they had delivered. For about three weeks, they would go to work and then get together and have sex and do Coke.

And that's when you know you're a celebrity. If you can get Coke delivered to your apartment. Yes. Or to your hotel. The thing is, though, the sex and Coke, especially the Coke, was getting in the way of work and they both were showing up late or not even showing up at all. That was especially bad for the actor because his show had a strict schedule because of live tapings.

His show told him he couldn't be late or miss another day of work that season or he would be replaced. They had one last night together after the taping of his show. Who are the two? So this is more of a 2000s situation. She, I believe it's her second show by this point.

She had a show that was popular when we were teenagers for teenagers. He is kind of in the news a little more recently because of a certain event. that happened. Katie Holmes. No. And he is known for his drug usage,

not necessarily Coke, actually a different drug that makes you go down, not up. Melissa Joan Hart. No. But similar kind of vein, similar-ish, for sure.

I'll tell you what, she also might be known one of her shows, she's known for being a little witchy, for sure. Not the, well, I guess they're both teen shows, but the other,

the teen show, it was like a little, actually. We were a little, yes. Oh my God. Yes. Because what? Is it charmed?

Yes. Beverly Hills 902.1 was the one I was talking about that was for when we were teen. I was about to say the show that was popular for teenagers when we were younger, we were a little too young for it. Yeah. I remember, but I watched it because my brother watched it. Yes. So I ended up watching it. The guy, though, the guy, it's sitcoms.

He's the live taping person. A recent event. Chandler. It sort of is. Matt or Matthew Perry Or Matt LeBlanc. Sorry, I just wanted to make sure Or no, oh, oh, uh, no, uh, no, uh, no,

David Schwimmer, Matt LeBlok, Matthew Perry. One of them? Matthew Perry, Matthew Perry. Matthew Perry. Matthew Perry. Chandler. Yeah, he was no, I was always, I was like trying to remember

what character he played and I couldn't remember off the top of my head. I just had a braid fart moment. It's fine. You know, you don't need. That's not four. You know, I'm a little foggy these days. Matthew Perry and Shannon Doherty.

And that is interesting. It makes sense. So 90s, damn. I love it too that no one, if this is true, could it be any more 90s, if this is so true, I mean, this is like so interesting. So his, her shows are what, charmed in 92, wanna his shows the odd couple and friends,

but I guess he was doing friends at the time. Okay, that's great. And he just recently, his engagement broke off. So you know, well. And we didn't talk about the friends reunion. I know that was in our articles. This was kind of a way to bring that into play. I have not, I'm sure Lexi's going to watch it at some point

because she was a big friends fan, but it's weird, right? There's like this weird mixed reaction to it for some reason. Yeah, I still remain incredibly curious, but I did not watch it because I've been watching Mayor of East Town and I finished it. Oh my God. Something while other people were watching it. Oh my God, what did you think?

And it's the, and for once, we're not watching it. Neither want to watch it. I keep about to start it. Like, I got to start it. Yeah. I got to gear up for the Fast and Furious movies, so we're re-watching all the Fast and Furious movies. Why? I don't need to.

Watch, watch, watch. I'm in Crown Town. Crown Town. I went to Crown Town, and I'm still in Crown Town. I'm only watching Mary of East Town because we felt such a loss and emptiness after finishing the Crown. Miravishtown is incredible, fantastic, extremely can't recommend highly enough. I don't know what other people are saying about it, but I just think people are saying very positive things about it. Kate Winslet is so. So hot. I just love her so much. I find her to be just such a haughty. And I don't even know anybody from Philadelphia, but the Philadelphia accent stuff is really fun. So, yes, I cannot recommend Merivistown highly enough. And then we finish that. And so now I've finally convinced Gideon to start the circle.

Yes. Yes. And you guys can start circle chat talking to each other in real time. Yeah, he was very anti-at the beginning of the episode. and he kept looking at me like, like furiously, like, why are we doing this? And then by like 45 minutes in, he was totally, totally converted. Like a cornered animal. So funny. Yeah. All of it.

And then, yeah, you know, and then there's all the other ones. See, there's the France one. There's the Brazil one. You got to watch all of them. Oh, my God. Yeah. Yep. You got a summer set up for you.

And that, I mean, if that's, that doesn't say hot dad summer, I don't know what does. Yeah. It's such a wonderful thing to throw into the mix because it's just so low-ststasy. and it's so fun to chat about and not actually take seriously at any point. And at first I was like, this isn't what I want from a reality show.

I want like, I want it to be like love is blind or I want it to be like that one where they were all on the beach with that stupid Australian. Too hot thing. Yeah, you want, you want sex on the table.

I want the sex in person. They try, they try to find it. It's funny because the first, are you watching the first season of the circle? Oh, if I could go back. I know, right. If I could go back. They kind of managed to make it a little sexy,

but which is hilarious because of the way it is. I mean, it's just like, why would you, this is a competition show or you're just trying to lie to win money. Why aren't we throwing sex on the table here at all? But why not? That's a little more, that has a little more of it. The second season definitely is just very much people playing a game.

But fucking awesomely, it is so fun watching people to be deceptive and watching other people buy it or not by it. Like that give and take is so fun to see. I'm also finding it to be just a, Lightfully, like, queering gender, like, Seaburn, like, being like, I'm a guy who's, like, has to inhabit the soul of this woman, but also not even really trying that hard. He's just basically being himself.

Yeah. It's just like, I love it. I, like, find all the gender stuff to be totally wonderful. Yeah. That stuff's really, really fun. And the sex season is almost even more queer. Really? Yeah, it's really fun.

It's really good. Hot Dad Summer. Hot Dad Summer. We're getting ready for it. And that's our show today. And I'm so excited. So next week, MJ will not be joining us. And because you really are kicking off your hot dad summer with a bang.

I am. I am getting top surgery next week. And so I will be absent from the show for just a week. And Elliot Page is not quite what I'm going to look like because Elliot Page has not had two kids. But, oh, you can still get it there. I can, I'm, I'm gonna work for it. I'm gonna, I'm gonna try. He's on my vision board, as is Randy from Trailer Park Boys.

There's not actually a vision board. It's just those two people. But, yeah, if you saw Elliot Page and said, hachi-machi, then give me some vibes next week while I am getting my own top. I'm so proud of you. And I'm just, I'm so excited. Yeah, during Pride Month, no last. Yeah, it's a real, it's my first, like, out pride and I'm going hard.

Yeah. Get ready for some pride-themed pop history episodes, too. We're really excited about. Yes. Yep, next week we'll have birdcage coming out, which I'm just, oh, it's just, it's my everything. And I'm so proud of you, MJ, and I'm so excited. And next week we'll be joined by Carolina Hidalgo of LPN, of No Dogs in Space, and of our show Gloss.

and we're going to have fun, I'm sure, yammering, yammering about other shit, and we can't wait for you to come back. Hell yeah. I'm so excited. Thank you. Yeah! Hell yeah! Take care of yourself!

Yeah, I love it, I love it, I love it. And I love you guys. And my name is Jackie Zabraski. Follow me on Instagram, a jack that worm if you're feeling frisky. And we do, Holden and I do Jaconese together every Friday between 6 and 9 p.m. Eastern Standard Time over on.

on Twitch.tv. Forward slash Holdenaders Ho. Yeah, hopefully it'll be this week, but we'll see. It's been kind of a fucking rough one. It would be cool, though, if we do get to celebrate this week. And, of course,

send Lexi some love on Twitter or something like that. She's been through it. Yeah, Twitch.combe forward slash Holdenators Ho. And yeah, I, yeah, that's it. Thanks so much, everybody. YAS! M.J.

You look, I'm so. I just hit me how tired, how mentally exhausted. And I have literally just now in the plugs. Yes. Yoss. And my name is MJ and I'm MJKLK on Instagram. All right.

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