Page 7 - Ep. 535: Sorry Girl, But I Think You're Kissing A Corpse

Episode Date: May 16, 2024

Jackie and Holden regaled MJ with tale of how they gluttonized themselves with a slice of deep fried cheese crusted Midwest America at the LA County Fair, the insane saga that inspired Baby Reindeer, including a bizarre interview with the stalker with eternal stankface haver Piers Morgan, a ball smashing and Cadbury Egg filled chat bout BOTS, SECRETS OF THE MET GALA REVEALED!?, Jackie's reaction to Whoopie Goldberg (68) dating someone roughly 40 years older than her and isn't kept in an urn, AND in Celeb Conspiracy Corner: The Curious Case of The Wiggles!??!?!? A list you're gonna wanna SMASH THAT BUTTON FOR THE LINKS FOR!, blindz (including one that may set a decade long feud on it's head), SHOUTZ AND EVEN MORE!!!! Want even more Page 7? Support us on Patreon! Patreon.com/Page7Podcast  Subscribe to SiriusXM Podcasts+ to listen to new episodes of Page 7 ad-free.Start a free trial now on Apple Podcasts or by visiting siriusxm.com/podcastsplus. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

we are starting to feel, oh, just the kisses of, In the summertime when the weather is high, you can stretch right up and touch the sky when the weather's fine. You got women, you got women on your mind. Have a drink, have a drive. Go ahead and see what you can find. You know, I love when this song comes back around. I feel like it always, ooh, it just peaks its head out right when you need it.

And I heard this when we were at the L.A. County Fair over the weekend. I'm sweating. I'm covered in mustard and cheese sauce from the chili and cheese corn dog I had just eaten. And I heard the dulcet tones of this song. And I always will never forget the lines. If her daddy's rich, take her out for a meal. If her daddy's poor, just do what you feel. You know, and I think it's a good thing to remind yourself of every summer.

Welcome to page seven. Mungo Jerry, you're so. Crazy. Unreal. The summer is here and I am fucking melting. I had a great time. Already sweating. I had a great time of the LA Fair.

We got Winnie on the rides. What was her fun? Tell me about the LA County Fair because when I picture a county fair, I picture the Debutte County Fair. Dude. Okay, so just take like, take a normal fair and like multiply it by like 10. Okay. Does it still have the griminess that a county fair needs? Oh, yes.

Oh, yes. And the food is like on another, like the crazy over-the-top food stuff. We're talking like giant funnel cakes. It's like a Guy Fieri would eat his hard out situation. Yes. Okay, just for instance, one of the big ones there is there's this fried chicken place that does a sandwich that instead of normal bread buns, it is crispy cream donuts on a fried chicken. And there's another spot that has, instead of bread, they use.

funnel cakes. Yeah. So they have it on funnel cakes and then it's got this like raspberry glaze but then they've got a bunch of chicken sandwiches that are like covered in Captain Crunch. But the one that I ate was a, it was a, it wasn't chilly. It was a flaming hot Cheetos

and nacho cheese encrusted corn dog. Except there wasn't a hot dog. It was like a big old sausage and there were hand dipped and it was so good. But then there was another taco that I, and

It wasn't a taco. It was an egg roll. It was a queso barria egg roll that like in just this little corner spot in one of the expo halls, like it's known for its outrageous food. And I was sick. I ate until I got sick, dude. And the problem was we just got back from Norlands. So I'm sweating.

I'm hot. And I'm like, bitch, I need some sort of sugary alcoholic drink. Yeah. Put it in a vase. Let me walk around. Yeah. You know they've got them. At the L.A.

County Fair they do. They like to drink there. Oh, so much. Yeah, they had like a craft beer tent. They had bars all over a margarita bar here. Yeah, it was all over the place. Went on a haunted house ride that was mostly in the dark. And what they kept doing was slapping you in the face with like the car wash,

like things that dangle down and you just kept going like slap. And you're just like, oh, geez. But then all I could think about is how many lips and mouths have touched these things that are slapping against my face? Well, I think quite a few. Yeah, I would say that like that, experiencing that, that is what Europeans think America is. Right? Like, 100% of the time. Like that just, everything about it was the European view of, like, if there was an America land in Ireland or Ireland or.

or something. Like, that's what it would look and feel and smell like. Just gluttonous. I'm surprised because I feel like the reputation for L.A. is foodie seen in general is like a bull made out of avocado filled with sprouts. Not only is this the fair, but it's about like an hour and change outside of the city. It's like towards the desert. So I feel like you get out of that, the city limits of L.A.

And you finally, ooh, you get the good stuff. You know what I mean? It was so American. Pat Binatar was performing that night. What? Oh, yes. Oh, my God. It was wild. It was great. But it was also, yeah, it was glut. It was the set, like, you know, Kevin Spacey's character in Seven, field day at that place. Just everything, yeah, he would just be slicing and dicing everyone up. There was lust. There was greed. And there was. There were, I mean, I will say Jeff did win me a miniature Bob Ross plushy, which I don't know why they.

Even the LA County Fair has like ironic prizes instead of like a regular big stuff Sonic the Hedgehog or something. Of course they have a Bob Ross Prize. Bob Ross Prize, but now I've got them, baby. Wow. And it was it was just like I haven't been to a fair. I'm going to throw it out there. The fairs that we used to go to and I'm not talking about the Strawberry Festival. The Strawberry Festival was a big like fuck off fair.

But like I'm talking to more smaller town ones in Florida. No, there was a lot more fear. than there was. I think anything else just because you literally like, I'd be on the Gravitron and it's just like, cluck, gawk, gawk, clock,

cock, gawk, gawk, gawk. I'm like, I don't know if the gravitron is supposed to make these noise. Yes, yeah, there was, I remember a night in middle school being at the Dubuque County Fair being on the Ferris wheel

and Ricky Barton's Live and Lovina Loco was playing. And I thought, yes, you were living Lovita Lolaola. I really had a moment as like middle school, MJ just like,

this is what life is all about. And since then, my association with Fairs has more like New York City. I don't think there's like a New York City County Fair. We are a city of street fairs. And so a couple times. I mean, I love a street fair.

Don't get me wrong. Oh, give me a Zeppoli anytime, which I will say. They were called butter puffs. And I don't know if there was butter in the center of the Zeppelis that they were selling because I did not get one because I was like, I'm good. I just eaten a piece of fried cheesecake. So I like didn't need the Zeppelies. But like, man, nothing wrong with a street food.

Fair Zepoli. Yeah, you eat a street fair Zepoli in New York City, and then you go on a ride that is like being facilitated by a 13-year-old. And you pray, you pray and pray that you live through the ride. It's the only time I pray. Yes. I don't even believe in the power of prayer for me. We put Winnie on a couple rides where only she could ride it,

like we couldn't ride it with her. That was the most insane feeling. It was just like, all right. Yes, okay. Hope you live. Did you take her, what was it called like the Winky Man? There was one ride. No, we didn't go anywhere near the Winky Man.

The Winky Man. Well, there was a Dumbo ride knockoff literally called Jumbo. Jumbo was a bunch of elephants. That was hilarious. We did not get on that one. She rode cars. She rode whales. Her and Lexi rode in a giant dragon that spun around.

That's awesome. So happy that it just spun and spun and spun after drinking a bunch of margarita and fucking. Hell yeah. Some high news. Yeah, man. Really good stuff. I was drinking. I had like a boozy drink and then I drank a milk shake.

Oh my God. Why am I living with such wild abandon? Oh, MJ went on door with me. You know how sick my belly was after eating all that food. And it was worth every second of it, MJ. I was so sick and I loved it. I loved the picture. Hold it at the end of the day, sent a picture of Winnie just like covered in ice cream,

just like taken down just this huge old cone. She looks like a drug addict. Yes. I have a before and an hour. after. I have before of her holding the entire the full ice cream code. It's huge, by the way. It's the height of her head. You know what I mean? It is

massive. And then at the end, when it's like down to the nub, and she's literally just like all wide-eyed and pale and like looking like she's looking for her next fix. It's yeah, it's really beautiful. I'm just so glad we could kind of experience an authentic, you know,

I would say full-on Americana, if anything almost more like a Midwest vibe. Yeah, sounds very well-wester. Man, what a great lunch. You could rent like one of those like handicapped like carts. You don't have to be handicapped. You just to wheel yourself around to the different stations. Too big.

You know, I can't use from place to place. I saw perfectly healthy people just renting the cart because they know what the day is about for them. They're going, they're going from food station to food station. They do not want to be bothered to have to walk. you know, that is not what we're here to do. We're here to consume and not expend as little energy as possible. Man, this is, I'm really not, I have not,

my mind has not entered summer. Like, I'm not in Hot Boy Summer yet, you know. So, what do we need to get you there? How do we, how do we launch you and Jane to Hot Boy Summer? You need that trip to Coney, dog, because that's what the fair reminded me about. I was like, this is Coney vibes. I'm sweating.

Yeah. It stinks. Yeah. I smell piss. I smell. sweat. I'm paying way too much money for a rinky dink ride that I probably could easily, you know, just not come back from. But what a way to go. You know, like, I used to be really obsessed with watching videos of ride disasters. Oh my God. Because I think that I just really, I think it's the

mixture between being obsessed with going on rides, seeing how they could fail, but then also because of roller coaster tycoon because it was my favorite way to like you would just like create a ride that would like loop loop loop and then never and then just like go up into the air and you'd kill a bunch of people in roller coaster tycoon. Right? I'm not the only person that did this. Oh yeah. Before you were killing people every week on Sims, you were killing people on roller coaster

tycoons. Oh, check out the Sims every Wednesday morning with me and MJ because man are we, we found out it's kill, it's easier to kill them if they're vampires because then they just can't go out the sun. Learn them alive. But how else are you supposed to have sex with the Grim Reaper, MJ? We have to keep killing MJ. And you know what?

Pierce Morgan has to keep Peers Morganing all about, I guess. Because, all right, we got to talk about this baby reindeer interview between the stalker from baby reindeer and peers Morgan. Now, for those of you guys who have not seen baby reindeer yet, I do. I do recommend it to some, not to all. I would say look into what it is about first before you watch it. It is a very good, very upsetting show than I believe that we talked about on talking TV. And I can't remember if we talked about it on the big episode proper because I watched it all in one sitting, really broke my brain watching it all in one sitting.

And for those of you that are not aware of what it's about, it is about this man writing about his trauma. while also dealing with a stalker that happened to him in real life. He wrote a one-man show in Edinburgh, ended up selling it to Netflix. They created it into the show. He plays the character in the show. Of course, the internet, being the internet, decided to, even though he did say that he and Netflix tried to hide her actual identity, even though looking at her and I do think that they could have done a little bit more, probably,

to make her seem a lot more different. But the internet found the real-life stalker and pulled her out, essentially, of hiding. Or was she in hiding? Did she want to be found? Interesting. That's the thing. She outed herself, basically.

She did. She did. But it's definitely every, the internet is making it seem like, the internet was bad. and of course they couldn't leave anything well enough alone. Right. So of course, Pierce Morgan was like, I'm going to get her side of the story. Right.

Great. Give the stalker a platform of this stalker. And so the three of us watched this hour long interview. Yeah, with Pierce Morgan, who, you know, I think, right, fair to say, not a fave interviewer of page seven. He has just an abominable track record on many things. But he, right. it's this fascinating thing, right? The show is made by Richard Gadd as the creator.

Right, it was like Jackie said, it was this one-man show made by Netflix, you know, autobiographical, and seems abundantly clear that he is telling the truth about what happened to him. It seems like there's no way that Netflix agreed to make this series without being like, okay, you allege that this person stalked you.

Like, I think that they, I think it's fair to assume that he provided some element of proof or was prepared to provide some element of truth because, of course, we live in a time where you can investigate things and you can find things out. So there's no evidence that what he has said in his show is untrue, right? There's, and in fact he has said, I have all of the evidence. There is evidence of the 40,000 emails. The voice messages. There's evidence of the 350 hours of voice messages. The 744 tweets. He kept all of them, right?

And the tweets were kind of what got him and got, not him, but got her, I guess, in trouble because tweets are public. And so people were able to find this person who had tweeted at him so many times. And that was one of the ways in which her, this real, real Martha, whose name is Fiona, that her identity kind of got blown up. And so it's, it is a fascinating. interview, I don't think it should have happened, but also I'm like, it's one of those things where I'm like, my instinct is that this interview should not have happened. Yes. And I'm also like

very interested in hearing others' perspectives on this. I, I, I, I, there is, like, what we were talking about before the show is the, the, there is, there has been an ongoing discussion in culture about like, when you make something that is art, like, art is not journalism, right? there was this whole thing with Mike Daisy's one-man show about the Apple Factory that he kind of presented as a storytelling show that then was aired on this American life, more like journalism,

but he had kind of taken some artistic liberties and telling it, and then he got like excoriated by being like, that wasn't journalism, and he was like, I wasn't saying it was journalism, it was art, but people kind of thought that it was journalism. Right. Anyway, what's happening with Baby Reindeer is the show starts by him

being like, this is a true story. There's no reason to believe that, Richard Gadd is not telling the truth. In fact, there is much reason to believe he is telling the truth because he has so much evidence. And the reason I think the interview should not have happened is because Pierce Morgan now has this stalker on the show, convicted stalker, according to, you know, the way that the show tells it. I think there's some ambiguity about whether the criminal record has been found or not, but that might be because she has changed her name.

She's changed her name multiple times. And, like, that's a thing. She's like, go ahead and look, go ahead and look and see if you can find a criminal record on me, but she also has said that she's changed her name. She's like, changed her name as an adult many times. It's a little trickier getting public record of like past convictions in the UK. It's not the same as the U.S. I also read that in an article because I started digging.

I became a little sleuth. You know what I mean? I was like, well, because one thought I had, I completely believe she is totally not out of her mind. And I will talk. I will get into why I know that she's completely out of her mind and needs a lot of help. but that aside I did have the thought experiment in my head while watching it was like what if you were on a show like that and you weren't the stalker and you had been accused to be a stalker and you had to sit there and try to convince the world that you're not a stalker

it would be like impossible like there's no way to come off what she does for 54 minutes and I think the biggest tell for me as just a person who at this point point is just experienced enough people in the world. A big identifier for me is taking zero blame for anything or taking zero accountability for anything. Oh, yes. And she was just being like, I sent him like an email. Like he's like 40,000 emails.

That's what they're claiming you sent. And then a minute later she'll be like, oh, I never had his email address. Yes. And then it'd be like, wait, wait, no, you did. And you're like, oh, okay, yeah. Maybe a couple of emails or then, and then later on be like, maybe like, maybe like, 10 emails and it's like, no, no, no, okay, okay, wait, I thought you didn't have his email address. It was all these things she just kept incriminating herself over and over again.

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Describe everything happening in the show. And then you go, someone just told me right before I came out here that this happened at the show. I'm like, somebody, you're just a bit like, the, like effortlessness. Yes, of the manipulation. And that even that like, Pierce Morgan is like, it's right here. I have proof right here that you did this.

And she just goes, no, that's just not, it's just not true. It's just none of it's true. You say effortless, but I, my anxiety peaked so hard watching it. Oh, yes. So she is a ball of nerves the entire time. And it just feels like it is so exhaust. watching her deal with this. And I will also say just shoutouts,

I'm like proud of myself that I'm not really that acquainted with like Pierce Morgan and his interview style. I hate how he interviews. I wanted to jump into the cross, into the screen and strangle him. He was so annoying.

Oh yes. He doesn't let people talk. He just, it's just a modern 24 hour news cycle fuck face approach to, to interviews where you like, ask them a hard-hitting question, let them get five words

into an answer and then like ask them a different hard-hitting question that just makes them like confused and disoriented and this person's already clearly like I think having a struggle when it comes to the I I don't understand why people watch people like that I don't get I don't get how people don't see what he does and realize it might have an effect on their mental health if they just watch that kind of stuff all day it makes it it makes no sense to me but it explains why certain relatives are the way that they are when you get together with them. You know what I mean?

He's trying, he's trying to have his cake and eat it too by being like, I'm doing this interview, which I shouldn't be doing. Right. But I'll be hard hitting about it. And the reason I say he shouldn't be doing it, I think there's a couple reasons. One is that I think it's pretty clear

that this person is like not stable. And she's still bullying him from the interview. Right. Like bullying Richard Gad from the interview. Right. Like, and I think that it is harder to imagine, I mean, on the one hand, yes, this person made a show, and so you could argue that that person then opens themselves up to having some, to being interrogated about how and why they

made the show. But I do think that it's a little bit harder to imagine this exact interview happening if the gender roles were reversed. Yes. You know, like inviting a male stalker who had terrorized and sexually assaulted someone on Pierce Morgan to talk for an hour, I think is a little bit harder to imagine. So I think that's also weird. And then, yeah, I saw in some of the discourse about this, there's this acronym that I didn't know about, but is very useful called Darvo, which is deny, attack, and reverse victim and offender, which is this, like, formula that perpetrators of harm often use when they are confronted. Deny, I didn't do it, attack. You did it.

He did it. He's the actual. She tries to spin it. And then reverse victim and offender. He's harassing me. He's, and so she's, she, and so what I think that is so irresponsible of Pierce Morgan to have done this. is because she, I don't think that anyone saw this and was like, Martha makes some good points. I think everyone's. Yeah, she seems like an intensely stable person. Yeah, exactly.

If anything, every reaction I saw was people being like, wow, the actress who played this stalker, despite having never seen her or met her, did a fantastic job. But it does, it just opens up this like, oh, there's a question about this, where there's not a question. There's not. The person who concedes to nothing is surely to blame. That is a quote I invented and you can put my name. Wow. Put it in secret. God. Iqabod Crane he is. I have found this to be time after time after time if someone is completely unwilling in any fucking way at all to accept any level because it's a difference. The guy who put out the show, Baby Reindeer, he doesn't make himself look very good. And maybe that's his. brilliant way to pull one over on us, but I doubt it. He does not make himself look good in that show. He really screwed up and made this worse and manipulated her and all of the...

Oh, yeah. In fact, I condemn a lot of like... But he goes... He finds a really interesting way to make it complex. He explains how it got to that point, how he ended up in this place where he would have this kind of relationship with somebody. It's beautifully that. And that really is what's valuable about the show.

It says a lot about people. who become victims of trauma and how that affects later relationships and how fucked up it can get. You know what I mean? And so I value like that in the show. But you know, for the first like at least one to two episodes, you're just like, the fuck's wrong with this guy.

How, what is he? Yeah, but keep watching. You find out. Malfunction that he would allow this relate. Like, you know, and in a way you do kind of feel that sympathy for her where you're like, how is this guy enabling this relationship? and then he explains how he enables the relationship and you know you kind of you get into it.

It's my problem. All this baby Ranger stuff is like the eye, it lingers on TikTok and now I happen to be like a part of this subsect of TikTok where like people make TikToks about what stalkers are doing to them. Oh no. And like there was this one that like this person was like, it's like this stalker does this every single night starting around like 6 p.m. And it was just ringing the doorbell over and over and over and over.

over and over and over again, and there's nothing that they could do about it. Girl, you gotta start a new TikTok account. I don't wanna know. I don't want you to even tell me about anything else you find out about. Why, do you wanna live in a constant anxiety and fear even more than you already do?

From stalker, TikTok, I don't wanna know. I don't know how you can do a clean, a hard reset of your TikTok algorithm, but you gotta get out of there, girl. I'm looking at more puppy videos. Honestly, I've been really leaning hard into puppies wearing clothes, and it is working, guys.

I do think it is a point of debate and discussion. I think Pierce Morgan obviously made a mistake. This was not a good thing to do. But he doesn't fucking think it's a mistake. No, because it's very, this is viral for him. I think you watch him in real time realize how much of his mistake it was. About 20 minutes into that interview, you see him realize that he made a massive mistake. But on top of that, like, I think that there is something, a deeper discussion.

here of like if you're going to do a true story based on someone who is very mentally unwell and they're still out there and they're still on social media turn them into a giraffe yeah you know make it be a giraffe or something because it is it is unsettling how easily people discovered I was even in my chat we were talking about it while we were doing like a watch long stream whatever and people were like yeah her Facebook they already found it here's the link to her Facebook just like in my chat right like and I was like whoa and it felt like a little wrong that we, you know, we're able to do that, especially with very mentally unwell people. It's like, I just wish there was, mentally unwell people in social media is a rough thing. And especially

when they get put into the limelight more and more. Looking at you, Kanye, with your porn studio, you're trying to open up. It's a weird space. And I don't know what could be done about it, but you're like, can there be some, I, I want more legislation geared towards social media in general. Like, how about just mental health advocacy? Sure. That would be a great place. That would be fine too. But there's just, it's just such a weird space for stuff like this.

Yeah, well, I mean, they're banning TikTok, which is like what no one asked for, but people, that's the answer. That's not what I find a way. By the way, that's not what I'm talking about. When we could just, no one of us said. Let's just get rid of TikTok. That's the answer. No, I mean, I also think, I've been thinking a lot about Richard Gadd because it's like, the one interesting thing that comes out of this interview is that, and the one time I think Pierce Morgan is right, is that he's like, I think that Netflix probably did fail you, crazy Martha, by not protecting your identity more because you were so easy to find. And I think that that's true. But then also, it sucks for Richard Gad that he's like, this is my life and this is my story and I can't tell my story because then my stalker will continue. you to stalk me. So in a way you want to, you want to say, well, you shouldn't, this person

doesn't have control over you anymore. You should, you're, you should be allowed to speak your truth. So yeah, it is, it does bring up a lot of tricky because he could have just like made it a completely different character. But then again, this person tweeted at him dozens and dozens of times. That's public record. So it should it be that Richard Gadden never gets to tell this story, you know, because it would be pretty easy to find out who actually stalked him because she did it publicly. You know what I mean? It's, it's, it's, I, I, I really feel for him. It would suck to make a one man theater show that can then somehow no very few shows can be translated successfully from a one man theater show to, and she keeps insulting it. She was like, it was a bar stool show. Yeah, it was a bar stool.

He was talking to a bar stool. He was talking to a bar stool. It's a one man show. It's a one man show. And then successfully is translated to an incredibly successful, moving, complicated Netflix show that is a total triumph, but then have it be completely undermined by internet sleuths, going after, finding not only her, but then wrongfully identifying the other character in this story.

It was a character who sexually assaulted Richard Gad. People were trying to find out who that was and made a mistake, you know? And so it's like, I do, sometimes it does feel like the internet needs to be put back into a jar. Oh, yeah. It reminds me of, you know, the biggest example, I think the first time I caught wind of this kind of thing

and being like, whoa, this is weird. No, this can't. Was when Reddit decided they were going to figure out who the Boston Marathon bomber was and then they found the wrong fucking person and ruined their life. You know? And it just is, it's weird, man.

It's weird. We got to, there's got to be separation of, you know, social media and media. I don't know. But how can we do that? When every fucking article you send us, Jackie, ends with a slew of tweets from random people weighing in on it. Yeah.

It's like impossible to divorce. But also, like, media just scoops that. It just all gets into a, you know, swell. Right. The news cycle is driven by the, like, mass behavior of the online public. Like, it is weird that we're in it, like, Reddit drives what, it's, at first, it felt very democratizing, right? I used to think of Twitter as a great force of democracy.

Yes, Sonic Steed. I mean, blocking celebrities. That's the thing. It is like there's certain things that I find that the internet does, that like they move together as a community where you're just like, okay, yeah, let's block all the celebrities. Yeah, let's fuck with their money after the Met Gala. Let's like fuck with them a bit as you watch all the Kardashians like toil and be upset

as all of their numbers go down. And on Reddit, they literally posted a chart that, like, shows all their numbers insanely go down. And then the next day, where it shoots all the way back up because they have to go and buy a bunch of bots so that the bots can start following them instead of the actual followers that they're losing. But the bots don't engage. So hopefully, in the long run, that will still continue to fuck with their money. So block them all. Yeah. Work together in a good way.

The discovery and experimentation with online activism, the blocking celebrities thing is a really interesting manifestation of that. Like, all right, how about this form of protest? Which is, yeah, which is kind of interesting. But yeah, when you said that, Jackie, about the bots, the bots, all the celebrities had to buy bots to replace what they lost from all the people blocking them as a form of activism. And then they had to buy bots, but the bots don't engage. Do you guys ever have this? I don't know. You're probably not on, like, toy Instagram as much as I am, like trying to figure out what shit I should buy for.

for my damn kids. Yeah, more on boy toy Instagram, but not toy Instagram. There is. I'm just a sexy boy. Sexy boy. Nothing.

I'm not your boy toy. Who is that? Which one was that, Holden? Which wrestler was that? What? I don't know. I'm not your boy toy.

I'm not your boy toy. Sean Michaels. Oh, okay. That was his song. I don't know. Sorry. I'm just a swizzled. Sexy boy.

Yes, we get it. Professional wrestling is gay, okay? Let's move on, please. Just all. I want to watch them all kiss. I'm sorry, I didn't mean to do real completely what you were saying, MJ. I just got really excited about thinking about the Sean Michael's intro song. No, but, you know, maybe you guys have this with other forms of videos that you get.

I don't know if TikTok does this because I'm not really on TikTok as much as Insta, but the thing where you have to comment, you know, they'll be like, I, this video, I've got all the links that you want. and but comment play to get the links and then you have to debase yourself by commenting play you know but it's because of the engagement thing it's because of the engagement so that's the thing is bots don't engage so like people and like people like the Kardashians they like and all like all big people they get paid based on their engagement rate so even though you can have millions of bots the bots aren't going to engage the way that they need to engage to encourage their monetization planetary flow. So it really does fuck them. Yeah, that's so interesting, which I did not really think about until you said it like that. And also it made me understand why every fucking Instagram influencer is making me comment like, son fun, you know, to get the damn links. Yes. Yes. And that's how you get the links. And so you have to, you have to say sun fun if you want your chewy, squirty fruit

toys. I don't know what I imagine you get. See, my problem is I follow all snack accounts. Right. So then you got to comment like munch, munch. It is. To find out where. I'm your burger slayed. And I am. Piss on me.

I will. Piss on me and take pictures of it. Yummy, yummy, dummy, dummy. And I say yes. Come and piss on me to find out where to get the best? And I'm like, where are the burgers with the funnel cakes as bread? And I'm just screaming at my snack accounts.

No, what it is is it's like cut to me trying to find like the like rainbow Brownie Hershey's kisses because I see them everywhere and I'm like, yum, there's sprinkles inside of the kisses and I have to have it. All of a sudden, Jackie's, Cadbury eggs, Jackie's got a pay pig. Jackie's a pay pig to Cadbury eggs. Yeah, Cadbury eggs just like, yeah. Sucking out the cream. You know you fucking like it, Jackie.

You know you fucking like it. You're just like, yeah, I'm your bag hog or whatever it is, you know. I suck out the thick old juices. Good God. I will say I do. There is nothing I love more than getting a Cadbury Cream Egg, cutting off its head, like you bite off the head of it, even though it does not have a head.

And then you just shove your tongue on the inside and you swirl it around to try and get as much of the goop out before, so then you just have the shell left over. You guys do that? No, no, but I like to take a big hammer, right? Smash my balls. Sometimes you got to get it. Sometimes you got to.

Comment, smash my balls to receive a discount link to Cadbury A. Hashtag Cadbury eggs. Hashtag fucking I'm your pissed whore. Suck my juice. Yes. But yeah, but going back to the thing, I would just say, I also just love when we as a people collectively go, we don't have to do this.

We don't have to follow these people. Why do we, why is there this weird? Why are we compelled to feel? Because that's, I mean, that's how I've always felt. though about the Kardashians, where I'm just like, why does everybody feel like we have to pay attention to them? I know they're amazing at getting attention, but why does everyone think that they, they told us that they're people we need to pay attention to. That's all it is. Who told us to do that?

They're PR people that are paid to tell us to make sure that we're watching the Kardashians. And those people are brilliant. I will say, there's always a blind. There's always something, you know. I mean, they get it in for sure. I will say, though, I feel like Kim Kay's probably a little miffed. People weren't more talky. I feel like last year, the Maryland and road dress thing was so annoying and offensive

that she was like, I know what I'll do this year. I'll be coming out a literal hourglass. And like, everyone's like, yeah, whatever, dude. Oh, her organs. More your bullshit. Yeah, exactly. I'm like, good. I'm glad.

Oh, man, by the way, we got such a good inside in. I'm going to try to keep things very anonymous. We got such a good email about what happens at the MetGats. Oh, yeah. Will you tell us about that? Yes. So the person that wrote in did sign an NDA, so could not get into too much detail. But things that we do know, which this makes actually a lot of sense.

Yeah. This kind of blew my mind. Right? The second they get through walking down. And also, I just want to say thank you so much for sharing this. The second they get through with all of their crazy clothes on, there's a bunch of assistance. that immediately help them get into comfortable clothing. I'm talking sweatpants.

And apparently they go to a seated dinner that has a lot of drama about like where everybody sits and who's sitting with him. But they're all in their comfies. They're all having a time. And since there's no phones or anybody allowed in, everybody starts getting hammered. And so like you know,

You know, a lot of people know that the MetGala parties are some of the most debauchrous after parties. And it's because everybody's so drunk. And it is supposed to be a place where people aren't taking, you know, they're up in their grill. So a lot of crazy shit goes down. But also, it makes me really happy for them that they're all in their sweatpants. And I know you shouldn't feel that way about the celebrities. But like, you know what? That's, man, nothing quite like, ooh, putting on a pair of sweatpants.

But you want me to pay $75,000 to put on a thing that crushes my rib cage just to that go inside and put out a pair of sweatpants and get hammered? I mean, I'll get hammered at home in my sweatpants, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, man. Do I love to? I can and I will.

And I will. And I will. And I am. And I do it right now. And I'll do it again. I just, I am. That is nice for them. I guess it's nice for them.

But, you know, I say these kinds of things all the time. time and even like originally hearing about like the block out of the celebrities at first was like it's not you know what man I went into it thinking real cynically it was like this is not going to do anything why would you do this like unless you get a bunch of people to do it it's not going to do anything but then a bunch of people did do it and it did and the one thing that we can fuck with is there money it is a very creative form of protest you know as as you know real real life protests have always been, have always come with, you know, a certain set of risks. And seeing the evolution of online protest has been really interesting. And this is, this is just another example where it

mobilized pretty quickly. And it seems to have, it seems to have had somewhat of an impact based on the chart you said about the lost followers and the amount of money that some celebs are spending to get them back. Which is fun to watch. Because, like, and I also was so cynical, I'm like, Yeah, but the Kardashians have like an endless amount of money. So what does it fucking matter? But still, you know what? It's annoying to them. Yeah.

Oh, yeah, no. And if you can continue to be fucking annoying, let's do it. Let's shake the columns that they stand on. Let's do it together. All they care about is high school shit. Dude, I should have sent this to you guys. I saw someone post on like Twitter a video of Kim Kardashian in like eighth grade at like a high school, like a, or a middle school, whatever event. and she's surrounded by like,

and she's just like, all she could talk about is how popular she is and how everyone likes her and how everything's dope. She's like, and I'm dope and everyone knows I'm dope. And then this kid to the left is like, Kim, can you describe what being dope is? And then she like quickly changes the subject. She's like trying to be, and she just keeps going like, I'm so popular. I'm the most popular girl in the school. Everybody knows how popular.

I mean, it was just, it was going on far before. So yes, money means nothing at this point. They have all the money they could ever ask for, right? I mean, to a point, I do know that once you get to that place with money, in order to sustain the life that you have, you are kind of trapped in kind of a crazy, like, you have to keep getting more in because it's unsustainable at that point once you get that rich and start spinning that on that level. That said, all she cares about is how fucking popular she is. I mean, this is literally like, this is that girl that you fucking hated it. in high school on a global scale. And it's crazy.

It's crazy. But you guys got to look that video up. It is, you will be like, no shit. It is like, she is this, never changed, man. It's all she cares about. Just the amount of eyes on her. That's all she gives a fuck about. So yes, I love any effort where we just collectively go,

what if we don't look at her? We don't have to. I don't understand why people give certain people oxygen and stuff. It's just like we just all just ignore. You just ignore the people, the bad man at his podium. You know, there's been, I think that our, like, it's, it is a real struggle to get collective action. And I, it's interesting to just see kind of when that can happen. There's also now this, like, collective movement amongst parents to try to not give their kids phones until the kids are in whatever grade, eighth grade, ninth grade, whatever you. But, like, there's, like, actual movements around it. And when I first heard about it, I was pretty cynical because I was like, yeah, right, phones rule all of our lives. But it's one of those things where, you know, there's been some real steam around being like, I'm just going to go to all of my kids' best friends and talk to their parents and see. And there is like, it's just another, it's a totally different example.

But anytime there's an example of that kind of like organic, an organic idea that actually can latch on in a quick collective action, it's fascinating because that doesn't actually. happen with that much success very easily. So what it does happen, it really is a triumph. Yeah. Absolutely. Hell yeah. It certainly is. And I know that we're definitely going to be getting into Eurovision when we get, when we do the

leftovers. But just real quick, just because we were talking about it on talk and TV, I do want to bring up the fact that Whoopi Goldberg recently said that she is 68 years old and was sleeping with a man that was 40 years, her senior. I have to find... I don't think that's possible. I have to find what Jackie wrote about this. I took a screenshot last night because I could not stop laughing about it.

Jackie sent us this article about Whoopie, who is 68, and said that she recently, she said this, that she recently dated someone who was 40 years older than her. And Jackie's note in her email to us was, sorry, girl, but I think you're kissing a corpse. which I could not stop laughing about. And she's like, she's talking, she's on the view talking about how like, you don't have to tell older men what to do. And I'm like, pretty sure you do have to tell

a hundred and four year old man. Yeah, I think you might have to be like, wake up, hey, you're inside of me right now. Is this okay? He predated when that man was coming of age in sex. There was no knowledge of the, female orgasm. You do have to tell him.

Yes. The only thing he's coming now is dust. It probably looks like the last scene in leaving Las Vegas. You know what I mean? He's just sort of like just laid out in like a crappy like motel bed bed. And don't get me wrong. She just sort of gets on it. I am pro old people fucking.

I think that we should all be very pro. I think that it is great. I say get rid of it. No, I am no. I am all aboard. How often do we talk about how much we all want to kiss 80 something? year old Jane Fonda. Yeah.

We all would do it with her immediately. It's just... But 104 is pushing it. It's just a different direction. But I mean, Whoopi was so adamant about the fact that, like, that's why you date older because you don't have to teach them what they're doing. And, you know, I do understand and I agree with Whoopi. I just think that there's got to be some sort of steep drop off after like 92.

It's like a horseshoe, you know, like... It's got to be. Young men don't know, don't know, then you get into a part where they know, they know, they know. And then, yeah, I think after 92, you can assume that they don't know. They don't know. Or, you know, hey, you out there, have you had sex with someone over the age of 90? And you enjoyed it? Let us know.

Let us love to hear more about it. Yeah. If you want to share. Just so curious. And I'm happy for you if you're 90 and you're getting slogged on. I wish that for all of us. A, speaking of share, it's time for the celebrity conspiracy. Hit me with it.

Do you believe it? The curious case of the Wiggles. I'm so happy we're finally talking about the Wiggles. We got a great email in because there's so much interesting drama with this very innocuous Australian kids sing-song group. MJ, is there a lot of Wiggles action in your household? Zero Wiggles. I actually thought that this was a previous, like a slightly earlier generation, the Wiggles,

but I guess they're still pretty beloved, huh? They all bang each other, right? Is that, don't they all bang each other? That's the working. Yeah, the Fleetwood Mac of kids of the Telitubbies style. Hell yeah. Kids entertainment. Fruit salad, yummy, yummy, yummy.

Nothing. That doesn't get stuck in your head or regular. Fruit salad. Yummy, yummy. That gets I'd love that one. I'm not saying I'm right. I'm just saying I don't have them in my home. It sounds like I'm wrong.

It sounds like I need them in my home. Yeah, do better. Fleetwood Mac of Children's songs. really sending me. I really like that. Well, I stole that from this email who came in from Saz, who writes, is Anthony Wiggle the father of Catarina Wiggles' babies? Dun, dun, done. Hey guys, I thought you would enjoy this one, especially since you've all been subject to a lot of children's media in the last few years. If you don't know, the Wiggles are a very famous Australian children's entertainment group. While they may have some following in other countries here in

Australia, they are mega famous touring and performing hundreds of live shows for most of the year. Three of the four original members left, but one remains Anthony Wiggle. Bit of backstory. Anthony, the Blue Wiggle, can play the banjo and backpipes, which I think could be utilized more. That's what we're calling them nowadays. I don't know, right? And those are his two talents. He doesn't sing as he's helplessly toned deaf. He can't really dance, but he's an original member and gets seniority. He has become producer for the brand, and this is where the conspiracy starts. He also hired his brother Paul as a producer. More recently, his daughter, Lucia, got a role as the second blue wiggle.

His nephew Dominic is a backup dancer. Don't ask me why there's two of each color now. Some would say ever since Anthony took the reins, things have been a bit odd. It's not just the nepotism within the family. He has also promoted those who have been in the company for years, like Catarina, who is now the new second red wiggle. This year, Catarina announced she's expecting twins

and that she's making the journey solo through a donor in IVF. So super thrilled for her. But people soon started saying, speculating online that Anthony himself insisted to Catarina that he fathered her children himself to continue the line of succession of a wiggly empire cult for centuries to come. Whoa. I got to be honest. I feel like I've already heard the word wiggle 50% too much.

Right. Too much. It needs to stop. But as a side note, and this is what I had heard about, this is the story I'd heard, which is really fascinating. There have been other wild trauma in the wiggles for years. I know all of this because my partner and I had to search up the private lives of the cast to keep ourselves sane in between tutto chug-a-chug-a-chug a big red car and fruit salad, yummy, yummy. They basically had a major Flewwood Mac situation years ago where Emma and Leachie were married.

By the way, Emma is hot. So I get this. You want to kiss a wiggled? Look up Emma Wiggle. Let's see what this wiggle looks like. Oh, yeah, yeah. She's definitely your type. It's definitely my type.

Emma and Leachie were married. then divorced all while remaining in the group together. He then went on to knock up one of the backup dancers, and Emma married the drummer. You cannot make this shit up. Anyway, shout out to the three people who make me feel like I have friends every week. Keep on keeping on, Saz. Thank you so much.

It is wild, though. Could you imagine? Wow. I feel like I need to spend hours with this. I know. Just look at their Wikipedia page. It's longer than, I mean, it's massive. It should be.

I'm shocked. Yeah. There is so much information about the Wiggles, so many albums. Well, they've also been performing for a very long time. Forever. Dorothy came out in 1994, active since 1991. Active since 1991. They were members of a group called the Cockroaches in the 80s.

I am shook. I feel like. Also, how are you pronouncing Lachlan Holden? Were you saying Lichy? Lichy? I don't know. What were you saying? Lockland.

What were you saying? What was? Which one? Lucia? Lusha? There's Lucia. There's, I don't know. Who knows what I...

God knows what I said a minute again. Don't ask me to remember what I said 10 seconds ago. It's not happening. How dare you? But I wish that the cockroaches had originally been like four children because I think that would have been a fun way to be like, we have six legs. Do you want to eat us?

You should not eat us. We live in your kitchen. Yeah. I think it actually, wouldn't it be cute if, like, your kids had cockroaches to look up to, so maybe they wouldn't be as scared of them? It would be a good, like, normalizing thing. I mean, you can go to the Wiggles.com. You can see the massive number of people in this band.

It's like the East Street band over here. Yeah. I just can't believe, I mean, also in terms of the prolificness, the amount of albums. So much. It's wild. It's wild. It goes back. The lore goes deep.

but big shoutouts. I'm just, you know, to Emma, if you're listening to this. Which she definitely is. You are doing a good job. Oh, my God. I just imagine them like wiggling. They're just like wiggling really intensely looking each other in the eye as they're like,

you can wiggle your own way. Just like wiggling like furiously wiggling at each other. Yeah, yeah. I would assume, wait, Holden, did you say you watch the wiggles with Winnie? Um, yeah, I watch, well, it's, I watch this, all right, so there's this live show with the original Wiggles and they're much older now and it's all guys. And I didn't even know this. There's like, there was like a- Produced by Kanye. It might as well been. There's a disclaimer in the beginning where we- There was a disclaimer at the beginning and I didn't let us get to the part where this happens. Apparently like one of the guys has a heart attack at the end of the video and it's like, but we, and they were like, but we could, we still put the video up because it shows like an incredible display of how to respond to something like that. Because I guess, they called the EMT.

Wait, are you being serious right now? I'm dead fucking serious, dude. The Wiggles is weird, bro. It's weird. Wow. And I love it, though. I love it. I think, Jackie, the source of confusion might have been that Lachlan Wiggle

goes by Lachy or L-A-C-H-Y, as I assume how you pronounce, Lockheed. Lockland, not a common name here in the United States, but I assume that that's Lockheed. Lockheed Wiggle. And, of course, the performance they did a divorce assessment. but divorce is freedom. It's a great one for sure. Wow, there's so much.

I'm sorry, now I'm just staring at the Wiggles and I have to stop staring at the Wiggles because I want to continue on with the show. Because that is, do we believe? I mean, we have to believe. I have to believe. Not only do I believe, I need to know more. Yes.

So thank you so much for opening our worlds into the fucks of the Wiggles, but now it is time for the list. Oh! Who's on the list? Jackie, got to have that list. Toys, games, and activities that wouldn't pass the muster today. Like the atomic energy lab, did the atomic energy lab come with actual uranium?

The answer is yes. See, this is why you got to be on toy Instagram. You got to comment Atomic Energy Lab to get the link. I mean, what kind of, what is your, like, are there any toys that are too crazy for you, though? Have you had come across any yellies yet? No, I got, I did for Friday's birthday. I got them these toys that I found at the Dwayne Reed that are like little electronic hamsters

that race all over the house. But I got to say I'm loving them. I think they're great. Wow. The kids love them too. So I got no problem with that. The worst type of toy is a toy that has many tiny, important parts, which is also my children's favorite type of toy.

Whoa, part of the reason why I got so excited about this list is my mom called me yesterday. And she goes, do you have a game? This is a game. It's called 13 dead end drive. 13 dead end drive. Oh yeah, mom. Oh yeah.

We definitely have that game. And she's like, Eunice wants to play it. Like I guess it's coming up on some like some nostalgia thing that she saw. Hell yeah. And it was like, good fucking luck, mom. I was like, I think that we tried to play 13 dead end drive once. And then like broke half of it, didn't know how to put it together, put it back. shoved it back in the box after losing,

I'm sure, multiple key ingredients to creating the game. And I was like, well, I don't know what's going to be inside of that box, mom, but I'm pretty sure you're not going to be able to properly play. Damn, I remember this game, though. It takes an hour to set up. Right?

It was, what, 13 dead end drive? Oh, yeah. It was a classic. Yeah, it was like mouse trap. Yes. It was so difficult to set up. In the mouse trap, for sure. Yeah. Which I also always wanted to play mouse trap, but I could never properly... I don't know if it was just because we were kids that were, I'm going to say, left our own devices, that it was just two children trying to figure out these games.

It was probably because the amount of times that you threw the board game across the room in a fit of rage that you lost the pieces, that's my guess. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think that you would assume correctly. I do think that this is a little... I mean, inappropriate isn't the right word, but Laverne and sure... Shirley's secretary set, even though Laverne and Shirley worked at a brewery, but they still sold a secretary set for them instead. I wonder why they would do that. Such a shock, although

even though in the list does say it would have made it a much more fun to play with toy if it had been set in a brewery. But what about the CSI fingerprint examination toy kit? The asbestos disease awareness organization did a study in 2007 and found out that the hit had asbestos in it. Uh-oh. I mean, I definitely had a fingerprinting kit when I was a kid. I don't think it was CSI branded, but I did have a fingerprinting kit and it ruled. Yeah.

But then didn't you put your fingerprints all over everything, which is what we definitely did? Yeah, that's one of those toys that I have extremely fond memories of and can absolutely imagine myself being like absolutely not to my own children because like how annoying must that have been at that and also i remember the um i always wanted to do like in the quarter machines where you would get the sticky hands that you would like slap it had like a big long string and you would slap it against the yeah the windows and then it would i just remember henry and i left them on the car out in the sun and then would like got and then my mom couldn't get them off the windows inside of the car and that is when they were banned from ever being brought inside of our home again.

They'd also, they'd immediately be covered in like hair. So they were immediately disgusting. Yeah. My family is, my kids are obsessed with them. We call them sticky geckos because of bluey, because there's a whole episode about a sticky gecko stuck on the ceiling.

And so we call the hands. Anything sticky, we call it a sticky gecko. And they are still absolute catnip to children. They love them. They are all covered in hair. And yes, they melt everywhere. some things never change and it is the

undying love for a sticky hand in children. Hell yeah. That and the things, remember that you should shake it like you were jerking it off and go like and just drive your beer crazy. Was it called the Jabberwocky? Jabberwaki was a toy that had a big long neck and you were supposed to hold it by its neck and strangle it

and shake it and it would go as if it was being strangled. Wow, no, that's something completely different, but now I want a Jabberwocky. I'm just making sure it was called the Jabberwake. You mean the stage show? I don't think you should do that to the Jabberwakis. Jabberwocky's jokes

every time I pass the stage show at Universal or in Vegas about how I desperately need to go to the Jabberwakis, even though like I've never seen them. I'm sure that it's a fine show, but I just have a weird sidebar obsession with them. Anyway, I'm glad. A jibber jabber. A jibber jabber.

Okay, thank you, MJ. Please. Not a jabberwocky. Don't do that. Oh, yeah. It's a Canadian television series as well. Nice. In case you were wondering.

And a toy that you strangle to death with your hands. No strangling, but at least some drug odies. Aquadots slash Bindy's Beads. A toy called Aquedots in the U.S. And Bindy's Beeds in Australia was recalled after it was found to be contaminated with a chemical that can turn into a dangerous drug. Three children in Australia had to be hospitalized. Nightmare.

Yeah. There's drugs in the beads. There's drugs in the beads, man. Doesn't surprise me that there's like some sort of chemical interaction takes place and now you're making mustard gas with your little unicorn collage. And last but not least, this is just a silly one and I remember having them growing up. The pencils that in 1998 that they have, had, it used to say too cool to do drugs on them.

And then you would sharpen the pencil and slowly it would say cool to do drugs. And then it would say do drugs. And then it would just say drugs. And I remember always sharpening it down to say do drugs and then I would not use the pencil any further. Even as a child. I thought it was funny to talk about doing drugs. So I think that really shows some people heard dare were so scared.

They never, like, experienced anything. They never, like, looked into it, which I completely understand. But, man, Dare made me want to do drugs. I was just like, that sounds awesome. Give me drugs. It's just all these times. Just scrolling out of this list. It's all just toys that look like they're jerking off or you're sucking their dick.

Yeah, a lot of dicks. Or when you suck on Jar Jar Jar Binks's tongue as a lollipop or suck on Buzz Light Ear's cock as a straw. Yeah, it's so funny. Yeah. Also, shoutouts to Midge. Shoutouts to Midge. Pregnant Midge, man. With the detachable stomach.

Yes, absolutely. I remember a Lollipop. I don't remember the Jar Jarre Binks tongue Lollipop, but I do remember there was a tongue lollipop. Sure, yeah. It was like a big old tongue that you suck on. That's inappropriate. I didn't know it was inappropriate at the time. Yeah, it's so inappropriate.

My eyesight is going, and I'm not even mad about it. I think I'm going. Blind! items. Oh, we can't see them. This A-List athlete got his recent acting gig, thanks to the recommendation of this A-List reality star. Whoa, Travis Kelsey. Who is best buddies with the producer of the show. That is a very interesting turn of events. This would be weird if I don't understand why this would be the case. But who is associated with, all right, so you sent this article in Jackie. This was a blind, that is referring to an article. Jackie Sennon. Travis Kelsey is going to be on a new show called. Do you remember the name? Grotesquery. Grotesquery. And it's produced by Ryan. What's his name? Who are other big stars, especially reality star, heavily associated with. Kim Kardashian. Yeah. Now this is an interesting thought

experiment. This blind is alleging that it's Kim Kardashian who put in the word to get Travis Kelsey his first big on-screen role. How does that work? Kelsey, this would be his first big acting gig. One of his managers, Andre Eans said at one point, we positioned Travis to be world famous. We didn't know how it would happen or when it would happen or what would help push that further along, but it's always been the thought in the back of our minds. And then he dated Taylor Swift.

So do you think it happened, A, do you think it happened before they started dating? B, is it just that the bad relationship between Taylor Swift and Kim Kardashian is all? for show. Maybe. Or is this her trying to make good a little bit or trying to like mend fences? Is that a thing?

Minned a fence. You never sound more southern than when you say a word like mend. Yeah, man. You say it with a knot. Manned. Manned fences. Right. So I think that, right, the two options are, is Kim doing this to be nice to

take or is the whole, as Jackie? he suggested it's the whole Tay and Kim feud a little bit. Do you think he thinks her booty stank? Cam, do you think, is the question, does Travis think Kim's booties? Stink. Nice? Stank, not dang. Stank.

Stank. Yeah, it has stank to it. Like in a bad way? I think if it has stank, I think it seems like it. Some people like it. It's good. Some people like it. But yes, I think I would not appreciate if it's stank.

I will say this, if my boyfriend got a job. because of my enemy. Yes. I would be mad. Right? So is this her trying to get into Taylor's head? A control thing,

like a manipulation thing. Option B. I want this blind to be true so bad. It makes no sense. But I wanted to be true so badly because it is so weird. Why would she do it?

If the feud between them is fake, that is so weird. Because I feel like even Tay fans are like, girl, we get it. Stop talking about it. At this point, I feel like. I feel like,

I'm not saying that it has always been fake, but I would say at this point, yeah, that like, did Kim Kardashian not know that Taylor Swift was putting out a song about her? Like, that's what I'm saying.

Like, did her camp not really know? Well, she's spoken out about it. I, it was when we were like, it was just so much Taylor all the time that it was like,

uh, not an article. I necessarily felt need to be included after all of our discourse. But I will say she's already spoken out and been like, oh, I'm just like over it. She literally like said, I'm just like over it.

I'm like, oh, are you over illegally recording a phone call and then trying to ruin someone's reputation over that? And then, oh, oh, and they're a little miff to you. Oh, are you just like over that, Kim? Oh, I'm so sorry, you're like over that. Oh, not over it. And you know, if I was Taylor Swift, I wouldn't be over it. It's like, oh, are you over being awful and being a horrible person? Oh, cool.

You're like over how people keep talking about that. I think it makes sense that Taylor continues to be. about it, which is why I've always assumed that it's real. Yeah. But I also, I just think that after this latest Kim diss track that Taylor did, I saw, if she does another one. Yeah. I think people were like, we understand that that was very upsetting and I think you need to

keep it moving, Tay, you know. Yeah, yeah. Wow. I don't know. Honestly, I like option C that she's just doing this to get into Taylor's head. I like that. Keep it alive. Pour some gasoline on that fire.

Kind of fun. Yeah, kind of fun. Yeah. With her head. because that would fuck with my head if like my worst enemy was like, I got your boyfriend to promotion. Be like,

what fucking game are you playing? That is, that's 4D chess right there, bro. Yeah. That's really good. That's really good. Wow. And I do think she does play games like that. So I wouldn't put it past. I mean, she can. She has got such control.

Totally. All right, that speaking of control, this next one I had to include because it's so ridiculous. I can't believe this is an actual blind. This A-list singer slash judge didn't even hide the fact she is MK Ultra. She put it out there front and center on social media, maybe because she is leaving. Katie Perry?

Wow, good call. A year ago, she posted her still from her, quote, glitchy eye video. I don't know if you guys remember that one. I remember the glitchy eye video. And that had people throwing around conspiracy theories and she made like jokes about it. But I just love a blind being like, wow, Katie Perry is, MK Ultra, right guys? MK Ultra becoming like a household phrase

since, you know, the beginnings of last podcast on the left is just hilarious to me, you know? Oh, yeah. I mean... That was like fringe conspiracy theory shit, like way back in the day. I wonder why Katie Perry is specifically the subject of so many conspiracy theories.

I'm, of course, thinking about the conspiracy theory that she is the grown-up version of John Bonae Ramsey. Right. It seems like she, there's something about her. Mm-hmm. that really draws the conspiracy theorists. I think the thing that makes me more question everything is because I see people every now and again, I see a tweet about this being like, Katie Perry was like on top of the world, like had all

these hits was, and then all of a sudden like something went down. Something went down with her in like Hollywood or whatever. And something happened because all of a sudden she's just like, and I think she's put out great music since I don't know what happened because it wasn't like we all collectively decided she was like whatever I don't think like we like people did with Taylor

at one point you know with the Kim emails to Kim phone call stuff or I'm trying to think of some other celebrities who we all just went like oh yeah we all like we're like Ellen even as an example like there's more over which also by the way Ellen being everywhere right now because

she's putting out like her last album after she's been kicked out of Hollywood and she's going on this like whole little like tour thing about like after everyone unjustly he was like I mean and I don't want to fucking go from Ellen I don't want to hear from it. She's an excellent stand-up. If she actually talked about it in a honest stand-upy way, oh, I'm sure I would love to hear about it but I highly doubt that will happen, right? Well, one of the things that happened with Katie Perry is that in 2022 she posted, I think that she had a downfall before that. But I think one of the things that was a nail in the coffin is that she posted a

selfie of her voting for the Republican mayoral candidate in Los Angeles in 2022. And I think that that really was like, people were like, what? Why? Right. But that seems to be more like the nail in the coffin than the beginning of whatever happened with her. So yeah, was it just that she just had like a really good album and then didn't like, yeah, what happened? I know Russell Brand fell from Grace, but that doesn't mean she needed to fall from grace too, right? Right, and she's still with... And she's with Orlando Bloom, so it's not like, you know, she's up there, like in a relationship with another up there actor, you know what I mean?

Right, yeah. I genuinely don't know. Well, if you think you might know at home what happened to Katie Perry, please let us know. Page 7 Podcast at gmail.com, we'd be all ears because it seems like something. I mean, it also could just come down to the decisions you make. like inherently if you start selling shoes on television, does your stock kind of just naturally go down? I think the fruit shoes is where I got lost.

They will say I definitely. Was a sign of like grasping a little bit. There is a tweet from this time in 2022 that said celebs endorsing Rick Caruso, who was the Republican candidate for mayor at the time that Katie Perry took this big proud selfie of her voting. It was the, she was in the company of the Kardashians. Goop, Elon Musk, Chris Pratt, and Scooter Braun. So I think that it was one of those things where I was just like,

who are you like aligning yourself with? But again, at that point, that was already years after she had kind of like been in big favor, I think, in the public eye. So all I have to say is 2020's never really over is one of the most underrated bops ever. It's such a good track. And it was like after her stock went down. And so like it never got the love that it should have gotten. So shout out to that song.

Yes. I'm scratched my head a little bit, but I guess it makes sense. If you look at some of the timeline of events, last one, and it's a fun one. Would it shock you that the former A-plus list athlete didn't get a jar of jelly? Not the jelly. Yes. A feud is in the air. All right.

So, of course you know who the jelly is coming from, right? Oh, we know. Do you know who the athlete is? There's only 49 jars of jelly left if she gives whoever this person is one. The athlete's a lady playing a game. Oh, Serena Williams. Yes. There's this crazy divide between the two of them.

Really? Yes. Oh, Megan Markle, girl, you do not know how to pick who you should fight with. No. Because Serena Williams is much more beloved than he. Yes. Recently, Megan Markle thanked the celebrities who came in season one of her podcast. season one and only,

thanking them for their contributions, saying Mariah Carey spoke about the definition of being a diva. Mindy Kaling celebrated the choice of being to be single. Pamela Adlon lifted the lid on the pressure to be a wife and a mother. Issa Rae and Zweywe Fumudo unpacked the loaded misconception that often comes with being a woman of color. And Jamila Jamil and Shoray Adgislu spoke about the courage that it takes to step up and speak out even when it puts everything on the line.

And no mention of Serena Williams. Very interestingly, the only person left out, apparently. And apparently this is- Was on the season one of the stupid show they did. But this is, there's a more overt feud here. So, Michael, Megamarkle did not go to Serena Williams's gender reveal party. And this was like apparently a big deal. Slip face.

And so what? Where is the jelly? So royal biographer Angela Levin stated the reason why she might have missed the party. She said, Megan is still very much thinking about herself what she's going to do, how it's going to be,

and how she can use people to move on and climb up the ladder. She's a taker rather than a giver. Said the biographer, not Serena, but still seems like there is some interesting kind of stuff in the air around all of that. Whoa. So that's fun.

Ooh, what a feud species, spicy, spicy, a meat to ball. Wow. Now I'm just searching for tweets about Megan Markle and Serena Williams, and there's a lot. So I'm just going to go into my own worm time about that. There you go. Oh, certainly. And I'm also, my problem is while I'm also still still. furiously reading about like,

what happened to Katie Perry? Because that's going to be my weird worm time this week. What happened to Katie Perry? Something went down and I'm pretty sure involves like a wooden owl statue or something like that. I'm just saying. You're like, no, it's not Rick Caruso, it's a curse. Yeah, yeah.

Something, something. There's a jewel that she touched that she shouldn't have at a party. Something went down. I bet she didn't get any jelly either. No, no jelly for her. She's not getting no jelly. There's only 50 jars of jelly, guys.

She can't give one to every celebrity. My favorite. The person who wrote, I forgot who said this, but they were like, I make more than that in my kitchen every year for my, like, friends and family. Yes, I saw that he built. I love that. I love it. An amateur jellymaker could make more than 50 jars of jelly.

Well, anyways, I can see again. And it appears we're at the end of our show. Wow. Welcome back, Holden. And thank you guys so much for joining us on our screeches and our hootches and our hoaxes and our hoots and hollers as we descend into the chaos that is summer. I hope you're prepared. Get out your popsicles. Get out your floats. The water is coming. I guess. I don't know. In my head, that was like scary and I didn't mean to be scary. My name is Jackie Zabrowski and I'm not

scary. And you can follow me on Instagram at Jack That Worm. And you should totally come hang out with MJ and I over on the Sims of Our Lives every Wednesday morning, 8.30 a.m. Pacific Standard Time. 11.30 a.m. Eastern Standard time. And, man, we've got, Henry's going to become a rocket scientist. I tell you what. There you go. Holdenators Ho on Twitch. Ah! Every Friday Jack and I fucking party our faces off. 6 p.m. E.S.T. Twitch.tv.4.S.Holdenatorsho. I stream other days as well. I already mentioned Page 7 podcast at gmail.com. Please sit me with those conspiracy theories.

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one of our beloved members of our Twitch community. James says, Just a quick shout out to y'all for keeping me informed on pop culture. The other night I had six of the drunkest, loudest and horniest divorces at my bar celebrating one's divorce being finalized. They were every bachelorette slash bridal shower slash wine mom stereotype at once and were genuinely awful. I kept it cool and got them vibing with me though because of you three and Milf's fucking manner. Uh-oh, they didn't say Milps, but I added on the S to Milfs because I was like, you mean all milfs?

No, because of milf fucking manner. Had it not been for my love of page seven in all things Holden Jackie, MJ, I would have never thought to watch the new season and therefore would not have found these women to be even half as entertaining as I thought they were. Each one was, at one point, a different woman from season two. All of them were Tammy or is a jammy at one point or another. Page 7 and your love of high quality trash saved me from losing my shit on these white bitches. Also, I know this is long. No, I love it, James, but this is just a quick self-shout to me. I'm turning 37 on Monday, and after years of therapy, I'm throwing my first birthday party in 15 years.

Congratulations, James. Everyone I invited RSVP'd yes, and I'm so over the moon. Three years ago, I was an alcoholic with few remaining friends and on the fast track to unaliving myself. Now I'm worried my venue is too small for the party. It really does get better. Love y'all. Love the show. keep on soup and me.

We love you too, James, and giving you so much love right back. Thank you so much for sharing. What a wonderful event this is going to be. And I'm so proud of you for working on yourself and moving forward and knowing that that was not your end. And hell yeah, so proud of you, James. I'm moving on to an amazing shoutout that comes in from Adam. Adam says, I wanted to write in after this week's page seven, after your discussion about Brittany and conservatorships. First of all, thank you for handling the topic with such grace and compassion.

As you know, it's such a difficult and nuanced thing to talk about. My uncle, let's call him Jim, had to be put under conservatorship by his siblings for several years because he's a terrible alcoholic. Before the conservatorship, he almost died several times and had people take advantage of him for his money a bunch. It was a very difficult situation and decision for my mother and her other brother. Luckily, they just wanted the best for my uncle Jim and weren't after. this conservatorship, or he wasn't after this money or anything, I truly believe they saved

his life with the conservatorship, but it wrecked their relationship as siblings. The conservatorship isn't active anymore, and my uncle continues to struggle with alcoholism. I don't really have a high note to end on, but I wanted to write in my perspective as a person with a connection to a non-celebrity, non-evil conservatorship. I definitely agree that we need a thing for people who need help that isn't just take control away from them. But when you're already so vulnerable, there's no way that having all of your power taken away helps your mental state.

I could imagine the complex feelings I would have about my siblings if they controlled my life like that. I like Holden's idea of an outsider, special social worker type person. Alcoholism slash addiction is a major problem in my family, and it's something I'm growing more aware of and more scared of as I grow older. I remember in college my friends told,

me, I was the one who was most likely to end up addicted to drugs living under a bridge, and that shit still sits with me. I'm currently in recovery from PTSD slash major depression disorder, and I'm more at peace than I ever have been in my entire life. Congratulations, Adam. Maybe I'll write in a proper self-shout about it sometime. Anyway, I just wanted to say that anyone who struggles with addiction, depression, anxiety, PTSD, etc., is a fucking badass who deserves the world for all the shit we have to go through to still come out on the other side. Here, here, Adam, sending so much love to you, and I'm so proud of the journey that you have gone on, and thank you so much for putting some positive outlook out for people that are

struggling and for all of us, and I really, really appreciate you just sending in a little bit of love, and also shedding some light on a conservatorship that is not with evil people, because I imagine conservatorships are needed in many different ways and actually are helpful to some, and I do appreciate. you shedding some light on that Adam. Thank you so much, and I'm sending you so much love. And last but not least, this is just a recommendation. I just want to say thank you so much, Lydia,

because I actually, literally, Sasquatch Sunset was in the movie theater, because I do go see almost every single movie. It happened to be a weekend I was out of town, and by the Monday, they already took it out of the AMC, and I was so mad about it. But according to Lydia, so it is a movie that's out in theaters currently, and it's about a Sasquot.

family and they don't really talk. Lydia says the movie's getting poor reviews but my friend and I thoroughly enjoyed it and were amazed at the story being told through just Bigfoot grunts and body language. The cast is pretty fun too. Jesse Eisenberg and Riley Keogh. Many laughs, compelling storyline and I'm still thinking about it two weeks after seeing it. Thank you so much Lydia for the recommendation and I am certainly going to be seeking it out the moment I can that it is available on a streaming service. And I'll talk about it on talking TV. And I just want to say thank you so much for sending in the wreck.

And thank you so much for everybody, just for listening and hanging out with us week to week. Just want to say we couldn't do it without you and say thank you so much for the love and the positive energy. And I just want you to feel it coming right back from my mouth to your ears. Love you guys so much. Have a great week. And we'll be back next week. Bye.