Page 7 - Ep. 537: That's My Roman Empire

Episode Date: May 30, 2024

This week Holden, MJ and Jackie are gossin' 'bout Fae-Jackie hitting up the ACOTAR themed Velaris Starfall Ball, talks about public proposals and Holden lay's out his Catsesque proposal, the amazing cosplay community around ACOTAR, and MJ decides which of their children will be sent to live with Juggalos, the Billie Eilish and TSwift feud might not be as hawt as it seems, big concert failures and Ticketmaster/Live Nation breakup hopefully means live music will change for the better, the Cannes security guard not lettin' people stop on the steps, Millie Bobby Brown begins Livin' on a Prayer with Jake Bongiovi, North West performs as Young Simba in a horrifically roasted rendition of The Lion King, SPOILER ALET FOR THE 2006 FILM THE PRESTIGE in this week's Celeb Conspiracy Corner: Another Cake Boss conspiracy! An easter egg filled list, dem blindzzzz, shouts and more on this PAGE 7!!!!! Want even more Page 7? Support us on Patreon! Patreon.com/Page7Podcast  Subscribe to SiriusXM Podcasts+ to listen to new episodes of Page 7 ad-free.Start a free trial now on Apple Podcasts or by visiting siriusxm.com/podcastsplus. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Don't you let's drug blush it all the way of Aspen if you knew MJ I wasn't chanted to me I love it Okay you know I don't mean to come in hard With the Swift today But I watched a magical moment Over the weekend

While listening to that song And I watched someone get proposed to And we were on top of a mountain And we were at the Starfall ball And I had my ears on And I had a fairy ball gown on And I cried And I cried because they were enchanted

To meet each other Because they do love each other And I watched as two souls knew that they were going to spend The rest of their lives together Underneath the Stars in Colorado I guess I'm enchanted to meet you guys Amazing

Welcome to page seven. Did you know these people or were you just moved by the whole scene? I had met them the day before and like everything about their vibe. Like I didn't know because they were like she's a big cosplay person. And he was just like they were both so sweet, so nice. And like her name is Cos Kate. If you follow her, she's like the Phaera. And she does a bunch of all like the other characters and stuff.

Cause Kate is amazing. so sweet and her partner had like flown out his parents and like really surprised her for the whole thing. Like they were just so sweet, so watching them. And I had no idea that it was going to happen, but like everybody else knew it was going to happen. So they were all like ready for it to happen. And I just cried and I cried and I cried. And yes, the Starfall ball is real. And I'm sorry, I know this isn't my Akatar space.

But right now I don't have my Akitar space to start. scream about the Starfall Ball. So you guys are going to have to listen to me, talk about the Valaurus Starfall Ball. It is something from Akatar. Yeah. So I was going to say, so explain to all the, so the Starfall Ball is a place where the fairies go to. I understood about 80% of what you said. It's the Met Gala for fairies. True or false? I mean like kind of yes, but like not what, that's not what it is in the books, obviously. Right, I know. And then they do a ritual. Oh, it's The book happens or something. Yeah, it's the books.

Yeah, yeah. It's like an event that happens regularly in the world of the books where I'm guessing major shit goes down at the climax of book. I'm going to guess too. Well, there's a lot of magic that happens the night of the starfall ball, right? The stars are falling from the sky and like they're literally like shooting through you and you're covered in stardust and it's a night where, oh, where magic survives. I see.

It's from the, that makes so much more a sense. It actually makes it way cuter that it's not just an event where all the fantasy weirdos go to be together. Whoa, ouch, ouch. Yeah, it's a thing in the book. It's a thing of the book.

That's very nice. Was it just a lot of just having drinks and just chatting with people? Were there events? Were people speaking in accents? Oh, yes. Is there a lot of, is everyone all the world's stage,

type of situation. This is a question chat proposed the other day. How many straight men were at the star for the wall? Sounds like one. One. There was one. And that was the thing.

And there were quite a few that had been definitely dragged there. I feel like their partners held them down, stapled the bat wings to their back. You will be here and you will be smiling the entire time. And those people were definitely like, they weren't as excited. But I will say what an amazing, beautiful community.

Smut lovers are amazing. They are not gatekeeperie. They want you to be reading. Honestly, all, like, I feel like every bookish community that, like, we found so many of these people through TikTok and like the world of book talk. And I've learned so much about smut in general. We also recently, we've got, oh, Natalie and I are working on a bunch of stuff. This is not the place, Jackie, for you to be talking about these things.

I'm just so excited because the Starfall Ball, this is obviously the first one I had ever been to. And Fantastique and Unjure Diomore are the creators. I don't know how to say it. No, I'm not laughing at your pronunciation. I'm just laughing at the entire spectacle. And I want to say it's a loving laughter. Okay, when I call you people weirdos before,

weirdo is a good thing. I'm not trying to call names. You're in a special little group together, and I'm so happy you all found each other. loves your special little group. You're going full mom mode, MJ. Yes, it's nice. And I love your little fairy group. And I think it's so sweet. I know. We do love each other and we did make a lot of connections. And it was magic. Okay. And you know, here's the thing, MJ, I, as I was putting on my fairy ball gown and I was attaching my ears and I went to go get a blowout with Natalie and we were trying to explain to the people in this small town what it was. We were there to do.

and I realize that like 14 year old me would be making fun of me. Oh, yeah, yeah. I would have brutalized me back in the day. And I was like, look at me. Having grown up so much that I can do this, I can go into the world with my elf ears on, and I can be with hundreds of other people that also love this, and we can just be vulnerable and just love our books and talk about our favorite characters and dress up as them and just have the best time ever.

And you know what's funny is 14 year old you probably in a different like context with different support maybe would have also loved that, right, but was too afraid to let that part of herself out. So instead beat those people up or shamed them. She was down. No, she was down with the sickness. It's really what the problem was. You know?

Yes. She was getting too much, uh, up in her brain. Totally. And that was really, I think the new metal clouded me for such a long time that now that I'm really entering into the smut world, I can really open up like a flower petal or like a vagina, I guess. And I can open up and welcome and spread and accept and also, you know, force things out of it, I guess, if I need to.

And it just, oh, the strength of those lips. Beautiful. I'm a start a little bitch now. I'm so happy for you. Yeah, thank you. You know I love a public proposal. I am a member of the public proposal club, and I was coached by Jackie.

And I'm happy for people who do public proposals. I knew I had to do mine in deep secret. I even told Lexer was like, this is what I'm about to do with you is a secret. I don't want anyone to know about it. You know what I mean? I was like, our love is forbidden.

She was like, nothing about our love is forbidden. No one has a problem with our love. And I was like, it's forbidden. It's forbidden. and it's working. I'm in a whisper. And then I went, will you marry me?

Yeah, I just, I made it as small. I made myself as small as possible. I crinkled up on the couch. Oh, did you bind yourself? Yeah, I bound myself. I bound my feet. Yeah, absolutely. Yep, smash yourself into a tiny little container.

Make yourself smaller. We're always saying that here on a big step and never fill up a space. Worked for us. Make yourself as small as possible. I searched the whole apartment for bugs just in case someone was listening in. I needed this to be completely within the cockpies. I thought you meant it was just filled with cockles. Yeah, you lived in New York.

Sure, yeah, there's a bunch of them. I was like, don't tell anybody. They're like, glee, glee, glee, glee, glee, glee. Don't tell anybody, you know what you mean? And then they're going to the other apartments, be like, click, gink, gink, glee. Really, apartment one B got married, huh? But it was beautiful.

So wait, they're like your carrier? Yeah, the cockroaches are, even though we do have many pigeons in New York, the cockroaches became the messengers. They're the carrier pigeons. And you know, it does sound a little bit like cats hold and it sounds like at night the cockroaches little about and they whisper and they dance

and they talk about the drama happening in all the apartments. No, because I didn't eat them and then take my skin off. So it's not like cats. Okay, you're right. But did you think about it? Did you? You're like, ah, what if I unzip my skin, everybody?

When you were threatening towards your daughter that you're going to unzip your skin, And I think that we need to have a conversation. I did. Well, I unsit my skin. And I was a skeleton. I was like, biv, my, right. I was just like, a skeleton man.

She's like, I will, skeleton man. I'm so enchanted to meet you. And I felt so enchanted to meet designer daddy, which people in the cosplay world are very familiar with designer daddy. I was not familiar with designer daddy. It is a scary name, yes. But only scary in name. And it's because he started.

off making which I thought of both of you guys. He started off making transformation dresses for his kids. Like Disney transformation dresses where like they would spin and the dress would completely become another dress. And like that's how he started off his work. So he recently made one for Katie Perry. I was going to say this. You just sent me a video of Katie Perry doing this.

Oh my God. My child would explode with happiness. Could you imagine? Because, like, that's the thing is that he makes, like, dreams come to life. He just, he, like, went with his wife to this Disney con thing. He created this insane, like, goth captain hook outfit for him. And then for her, he created a dress that as she moved, it looked like Tinkerbell was underneath her dress and was moving with her. Whoa.

Insane. Whoa. See, I don't have a fandom that I'm a part of because they're not. enough other people in the world who like, you know, 1950s tap dancing. Right. Have you thought about the world of smut, MJ? I know. I have thought about it.

I should try. I know, I mean, all last year when we were on tour together, one of the fun things about tour was I didn't meet a handful of other people who were like, I'm also obsessed with Gene Kelly. And it does feel nice to have community. And you've been encouraging me for at least a year now to get into the smut community. And I know that I'm fantasy averse, but I should. try because honestly community building is the most exciting thing we can do as human beings and you

have found your community and it sounds like there is i mean what's cool is all the different like ways that people bring their art to it like i love hearing about all that like everybody everybody's like weird little thing has a place in the fandom community whether it's visual art or like make you know fashion or whatever and i'm honestly feeling like i just need to direct like my child who has these like who's very artistic and loves, like, princess shit. I'm like, I kind of want to direct you to these people, you know, like, LOL, surprise, fashion, whatever, fine. Like, that's what she's kind of into now.

But I'm like, I kind of want to direct you to, like, the real weirdos who do the real weird shit. Yeah, the cosplay world. Honestly, like, especially for Freddie, because she's so creative, like, so much of the cosplay world, they're building their own stuff. Yeah. And, like, how many talented people I talked to over the week

and then I was like, bitch, I love your dress and how many of them looked me in the eyes and said, I made it. And I'm like, what? Are you kidding me? Like, how are you this talented? Wow.

I will also say, though, I personally would like to point Freddie into a different direction, and that is toward the juggalo's. I think it is time for Freddie's first gathering. Yep, well. She would love that too, honestly. Yeah, it is time.

The gathering is upon us. Get the fonta out, you know, it's time. I hope she likes pineapple. Apple. Because she's going to be down. In like a backyard wrestling match at the gathering of the jungle. Oh God, I said Fanta. It's Fago.

It's FATA. How do you not rip me apart? I said Fonda. Fanta is a similar soda. Okay, it's a very understandable. We all know they're the same. We all know they're the same. They're both dollar store sod.

I ain't going to hate on no Fanta. But yeah, it is Fago traditionally that you get covered in at a ICP show. So yeah, we'll get going on all of those initiatives. I'd love to see Gideon and Freddie at a gathering, though. just the two of them, like it's a daddy daughter weekend that they go on. You know what? I got two kids, easy. We send Zelda to the juggalo's.

We send Freddy to the cosplay community. And then we come back 20 years later and we see whose mental health is better. I might have a couple of thoughts on that. But I think that let the great experiment begin. Get out that face paint, babes. Man, they're going to look great. But I will say that like one, I mean, I guess both. they could be covered in sparkles.

Is there a lot of glitter in the world of juggling? It's mostly like a lot of naked people with face paint on and on heavy mushrooms and other other side. Well, and I have it might like dirty water that makes you fucked up. You know what I mean? They're just like, I found this water. I'm keeping Zelda.

No, no, you got it. They're going. It's a done deal. I already got the tickets. They're going. I just bought the tickets while you guys are talking. They're going. No. Just let them know. There's be a lot of naked people on like dirty, you know, just dirty drugs. No, no, I, my actual biggest goal, despite what Billy Eilish says, is to send them towards the Swifty world and the world of the three-hour airs to her concert.

A three-hour tour. That is not what Billy Eilish is saying. Yes. That is not what Billy Eilich is saying. Throwing bars. I hate this beef. I'm squashing this beef. This beef is squashed between Billy and Taylor.

It's over. I'm done with it. I'm the one. I'm the, uh, who knows who I am. I was trying to come up with an analogy to the Kendrick Drake beef, but there is no analogy there. There's just scorched earth. Yeah, I ain't no mediator there. Yeah.

I was like, I'm the Jay Cole or something, but he can't do anything about what's going on. Yeah, yeah. Was it the beginning of us. Hello, Ed Larson and Amber Nelson from the brighter side here to check in with you. See how you're doing. Is your day more disappointing than a gas station sandwich? Are you trying to put one foot in front of the other in a glue factory? Did you try to throw your air fryer in the baths?

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I don't want that. I don't even want that as a fan. My favorite artist in the world, I'm not trying to hear them for three hours. I hate to always take the fucking sweat like pro. Swift take. You don't hate it. I can take it if you want. I could take it. Okay, you'll back me on this and all I was going to say, and I want to talk about the album variant thing too, but what all I was going to say about the concert thing is, yeah, dude, if I'm paying a fucking thousand dollars for a ticket, give me as much as you want to fucking give me. And if you want to give me a full opener and then

three plus hours of, of, uh, entertainment, please, I'm paying so much goddamn money and it costs so much extra because I have to get a sitter and I have to get, you know, and then we go all the way out there and it's a whole thing. You can leave, just leave early if you don't want to stay for the, I don't even understand this argument. It's so stupid. I just wish there was like some sort of tier system where like, can I just pay to watch like half the concert? Because I don't want to be there for the other. That would be amazing. And that's the thing. Don't get me wrong. Don't be you're wrong. I don't, I personally don't want to go to a three hour tour, a three hour concert. It doesn't, I'm too tired. I don't have, I just, unless, as we've talked about,

concerts for the old, you know, start at 4 p.m. I can do it. But, and I love Billy, and I agree with you, Holden, I don't think that this is actually a beef. I don't think that she was trying to be shady to Taylor or anything. But of course, there is a difference between, like, what's the word I'm looking for? Taylor's not like a legacy artist, but, you know, like an artist that has many albums, a decade of work. Yeah, Beyonce, Madonna, right, right, decades of, Lady Gaga.

So, and I, and, you know, this is, and I truly don't mean to be like, Billy, like, stay in your lane or whatever, but I, you know, she, she is at the beginning of her career, and it wouldn't make sense to have a three-hour Billy Eilish concert. That's a thing, is Billy in the middle? She's kind of, I mean, she's still, she's been doing it for years.

You're right, you're right. I do understand what you're saying, though, that in, like, the, terms of, I guess, prolific maybe is the war, of just like how much. Right. Because like Taylor puts out a lot. Billy Eilish has been around for a long time, but she's got three albums. Right. But it doesn't mean that she hasn't been, but she's also been like putting out music for movies and like doing other things and not necessarily putting all of her time towards just releasing full albums. And I will also say, Billy Eilish did say, Beyonce and Taylor Swift are untouchable

superstars. The fact that they can put on a show that long and it's filled with so many incredible moments is really amazing. And she added, I just find it really hard to play stadiums. So it's like, but you're right though, Holden, all of the headlines. And why I didn't include the like drop of the alts of Billy Eilish's songs is because every headline is trying to make it pitting the women against each other, and I hate that bullshit, because that is not what Billy Elish is doing. What she is saying is that I don't want it, I'm not going to do it,

and also as an artist, she doesn't fucking have to. Also, though, the other liable entity right here is the, let's just say a certain sector of the Swifties that are way out of line going immediately for the jugular on Billy. And that's lame, and that Stan culture also feeds this, right? They're just looking for like any reason to like fucking go after somebody. Let's talk about the album variant thing. The album variant thing I also disagree with.

And it's funny though, you know me. I love a good carbon footprint. So the environment, I don't give a shit, right? Burn it all in the ground. Get in that PJ. Go to the grocery store. Yeah. I keep telling Winnie, I'm like, you're the last generation.

Rip it up. Fuck it up. You know what I mean? Like just get it done. And so with the, I will say with the album variant thing, like if you're looking at music as an industry, the, like, record industry, the vinyl element of that and, like, the album variant element of that has been really helping so much to pay, you know, the, the artist help feed the industry as a whole in a way that, like, they need because to offset Spotify.

You know what I mean? So it's like, I see the reason why they do that with the album variants. I think, like, like, the resurgence of the vinyl industry has been a godsend for music. because of streaming, live streaming of music and how just we just, we get everything, you know, we want right there in front of us. So we need reasons to get people hype to go out and like buy music.

Yes. And that is one way they found to do that. I just see the exact use case for that. Is it bad for the environment? Again, I just go back to what's bad for the environment are all the fucking corporations that are killing the environment, not the, you know, not the plastic straw.

It's all the corporations and Taylor Swift. Those are all the entities. Thank you for encouraging this spectrum. We need all of it, yes. Actively destroying the earth. Absolutely. One of them gets a free pass by me, infuriatingly to a bunch of our listeners. And I'm giving it to day.

I'm not going to give it to Kellogg. Not going to give it to Chellawks. Yeah. I got one free pass. She gets it. Sorry. And I like her music. They also do that in the smut world.

They do. have like altered, like the, like, like, teaser chapters, but like Barnes and Noble will have one, uh, books a million will have a different one, like all the different, like, and then the independent bookstores get, all independent bookstores only get one. So you have to go to like a Barnes and Noble if you want to. And I think that's bullshit. I mean, the print industry though, too, again, having like physical copies of stuff is becoming antiquated, you know, so it's like I love my books. give people to go to the bookstores is so important and so good.

So that is definitely. Check out the ripped bodice if you're in L.A. or if you're in Brooklyn. Check it out. And check out Barnes & Noble. I love going there. I go there with Winnie all the time to get her books. It's great. Except for you know what?

Barnes & Noble and Ventura. Go to an independent bookstores. I'm throwing this time right now. Barnes &Intybaugh of Ventura. Crank that fucking AC. I remember a day when you'd walk into a border's books of music or a Barnes & Noble and the AC would be crankin. I go into that place every time. I'm sweating bullets.

I'm like, where, what are we doing here? What's, LA doesn't believe? I've been yelling about this at the movie theater. I'm like, the movie theater used to be freezing and the movie theater's not cold anymore. What is that? Really? I think it's an LA thing too, though,

because they just don't, they were like, we don't believe in fake air. We like it to be real and natural. Like, I don't know what's going on. I think it's just the frailty. I think everyone's like, I had a smoothie. Right. I cannot.

Right. with it today. I just, I also need to say, before we move on from Billy and Taylor, that if I went to, if I went to a three-hour Billy Eilish concert, you would need to, like, check me into a psychiatric hospital afterwards, right? Yeah, it would be rough. It's just, it's a different vibe, right? And that's not a, it's not an insult to Billy, it's a compliment to Billy, right?

She gets there. I would not want a three-hour bright-eyes concert. I did go to two nights in a row of the magnetic fields, like, that were both, I, I, I, I think about two hours long each, and I would have done more. Which how was that? We never talked about that. It was fantastic. I don't go to enough concerts, and I go to almost none, and I was there.

Every time I go, I'm, like, healed by them, and I don't get enough going. Totally. But a big change might come with that. I might start going to more concerts again, because if you saw, they are breaking up Live Nation and ticket master. Yeah. And I'm very hopeful that ticket. And also, what's also happening is, I don't know what's going to.

going on right now. There's also a ton of live acts that are like in these big spaces, like big arenas and stuff, and they're not selling. Like Black Keys just had to cancel their entire tour. Really? There's a ton of acts out there that like, yeah, where they're just like, I don't know what's, there's like this weird, something weird is happening with like live music acts and it's, because like, tickets are way overpriced. There's like this, yeah, this weird thing is also happening now where they're like underselling. Yeah, you have to spend a whole day. trying to get tickets. It's just a mess.

So I'm just hoping some changes are coming down the pipeline that will make live shows not complete dog shit to get a ticket for and attend in the future, you know? Because I'm over this. And honestly, as much as I'm so enjoying going to see these concerts in the movie theater, like I started watching Chromatico ball. Chromatica. We'll be talking about that.

I haven't started it yet. Talk about it. But like, being in a lot of talking. TV. but like being able to see these concerts and being like I could never afford most likely a Lady Gaga ticket. So I'm excited to be able to see this three hour concert sitting on, you know, in my own home. But I also immediately bought tickets because like Jeff has been, Jeff loves the band Ghost. And Ghost is also putting out a concert, like a video of their concert that they're showing in AMC theaters.

So we're going to go see that because I don't have to spend thousands of. of dollars and I feel like I'm getting out of the house, I'm having an experience that if I go to the, I mean, y'all know I love the movie theater. You're real go to the movie gal, you know. Yeah, I'm a go to the movie. Yeah, go to theater, theater, lady. And I, like, I'm so excited to see these concerts, but it's making me want to go to more live concerts as someone that, like, I gained a lot of anxiety after quarantine about being

trapped in a space because like when you talk about those huge spaces with all those people in it holding like I don't want to spend thousands of dollars to be jammed into a place where everybody's coughing all over me like I can't do it anymore it took like three hours I feel like it took it took two hours to get home from eras well and that's the other thing like I went to first of all magnetic fields they're not playing that type of place right it was town hall it was like a it was a go to the theater theater experience like a real they it was more like It was almost, my only grievance with the Magnetic Field Sixthand Love Songs, Stravaganza, was that it was almost more like going to like a book reading than to a concert.

Because I was like, I know every word to this entire album. Why aren't we singing? And everyone was just like politely sitting. And, you know, but also, right, in New York, you know, even if you're going to MSG, it's a pain to get in and out. But you guys, when you talk about concerts, and I assume this is a place, for most places where you're driving, it's that whole nightmare. But even beyond that, it's just, right, I feel like we have entered this era where going to, I was just talking to a parent of a fifth grader who was like, my kid desperately wants to see Olivia Rodriguez. She desperately wanted to see eras. And I haven't been able to do either because I don't have like $2,000. I don't want to take out a credit card and max out a 2000. Like it's, that's what you have to do for a lot of families to see shows. Totally. And a lot of people are just doing that. They're just, they're just fucking doing that. I think everybody's given up a lot on in terms of like financial stability and just being like, fuck it. We have. We have. We have. We.

I really live once. I can't keep making like boring, conservative financial moves and living my life, like, not enjoyably. I will also say shout-outs to New York, because that magic is so real. Like, you can go to a place and be surrounded by thousands of fans of a thing you love and then walk out of the venue. It might be a little slow getting out. And go on a subway.

Walk like, or even walk like a block away and just be at a bar completely separate from the thing you just experienced. Yeah. It's so surreal at all. awesome. Like that really is the way to go. God, I miss that. I miss that. That's probably the thing I miss the most. Like going and seeing a show at like Terminal 5 and then just stepping out and stepping out and dodging all the people with the nitrous balloons as they run at you try to get you to fucking. But they're only $5. Yeah. Dodging all the punchers, all the Steve Buschemy

punchers. Get to the subway and you're good to go. Yeah, all that. Yeah. Dodge the punching and everything. And all of a sudden you're in a dive bar like as if you were in a small town. somewhere, you know, it's just the best. I love that shit. Hell, yeah. Well, there's definitely a lot we don't love when it comes to the con's red carpet or can. It's just can, right? I don't know.

I don't know what they do over there in that France. I don't know what happens. I'm not trying. It's con. It's con. It's con. It's like long con. It's like long con.

It's a con. Con. I'm a con. You're a con artist, which actually could work for both. Yeah, I guess that is what Kelly Rowland was a con artist. but not in the bad way. It's a bit of a con artist. Like a celebrity at cons film festival.

Just an artist at cons. Because there was an issue with a security guard forcing Kelly Rowland to leave the red carpet faster than she was moving. And it became an altercation. So, of course, the altercation went viral because it was like, I mean, just the turn, just the look on Kelly Rowland's face as she, like, put her finger out and was just like essentially saying, Do not rush me.

I will get up the stairs. Now, this, of course, brought a lot of hubbub because not only did she do this to Kelly Rowland, this specific security guard did this to other people as well, but she didn't do it to Heidi Klum. Right. She didn't do it to other people that were on the red carpet. So, of course, this brings up a lot of controversy. But this also brings to light the ridiculous rules that exist when you're on specific.

the con red carpet, like things like you can't do selfies. But one of those things is you can't stop on the stairs. And it does seem that that was what was happening, or at least according to the video of what I was looking at, it seemed like she was forcing her along because she can't stop on the stairs. But aren't there, but I thought, all right, I read the laws. I'm so glad you included the article with like the rules in it. I thought I saw in there that there are specific spots

on the stairs, you're allowed to stop for a brief moment. Yeah, I mean, she's not like having a picnic, you know, she is I think what, I think what is a human being. She literally turns around to wave at something. Like, she wasn't stopping and doing anything. She literally turned to wave and then went to go. I think what

pisses me off is like the arm just immediately juts in front of her. Yeah, right? And just ruins any possibility of a picture. Yes. Why, like, I just hate people like this. That's why I hate authority. dude all you had to do was give her like one millisecond

a snap taken and then do that but it's like she's she's being such a fucking jerk in that moment but because she's such a Dudley do right rule follower that like she can't even let that one moment happen and if you look at all the pictures of all the women's I know we're going to bring up the other two ladies that were affected by this as well it's every picture this annoying fucking arm is just like darted in front of them

and rooting all the pictures Absolutely high on her own authority. And right. Totally. It was three women of color. I hate it. It was Massiel Tavares. Kelly Rowland.

And then it was the name of, and you know. Yes, Yuna, K-pop star. And right. And so I think that people are rightfully pointing out. Yes. For what it's worth, this security guard in question appears to be white. And people are rightfully pointing out like, really three.

And other, and there were women of color spaces. Yeah. And you got, and no white people. There were other women devoid of color that were getting a couple of snaps taken. And then they go, oh, it's because they had sponsorship deals. Different sponsorship.

So they said, like, for instance, Heidi Klum is represented because I guess a brands, like in the Met Gala where it's like, oh, you are wearing your designer, you are your designer. This is brands own essentially, or like get them in. So Heidi Klum works with Luriel, which is a much bigger company,

so apparently that also has to do how they are treated on the red carpet. But Yuna, I believe, I think it was Yuna, also has one of those. Yes, owned by Kearing, the official partner of the festival. So, fuck that. So, I know, it was a roller coaster.

I was like looking at this, I'm trying to, in a way I'm trying to cite, I'm like, usually the story's not what it seems on its face, right? You're like, usually, just some blanket statement of like, they're only targeting these people and this is the way it is. And then you look at it and you're like,

well, that rule does state that, but it does say that they were allowed to stop. I thought at a couple spots of the record. And then it's like, oh, it's the sponsorship thing. Well, one of them was sponsored. Yeah, by one of the partners of the festival. Yeah. So what are we talking about here, guys?

I think it is hard to overstate how much sometimes individual people might not hold a like, it's not like this woman necessarily set out to be like, I'm in a target women of color. But to Holden's point about authority, I think that sometimes if you are in a position of authority, you're just like, I'm going to exercise my authority. And then it can feel that that person is...

And it's your privilege as well. Totally. But I think that honestly, when I watch the video of what happened with Kelly Rowland, it seems like the guard was like, keep it moving. And Kelly Rowland was like, I'm taking my time. And then the guard was like, I'm going to escalate.

You know what I mean? Like a slight... If there is a perceived, you're not listening to my authority, suddenly am escalated. And it seemed that was what, and I think that, right, to the extent to which the racial identities informed that interaction,

we can, we can, you know, we can know what we know about the world we live in, but like, I totally, I think that, and yes, you're like security at the red carpet, but I think that I'm sure that there's just that mentality of like, my job is important, you know, and I said,

move, and you didn't move, and now I'm mad. Right. I, it just, or that is my whole, I'm so anti-authority. I'm so just against it. It's, you know, all right, just if it's my blood, makes me, makes my blood boil. But I'm also very like, what we just talked about with Billy Eilish. I'm very much also keen or very aware of the fact that a lot of times, like a headline and a tweet, makes something seem one way.

And then if you, like, saw the whole thing, then you would be like, oh, okay, you know, maybe she was taking too much time or something like that. But not this. But that's not this. I don't know if that is this now because I kept digging and I'm like, no, this is like what the fuck? Right. Why not just let, I think it's just the arm the whole time.

There's just no picture. Like you really, you couldn't get, you couldn't wait literally five seconds to put that arm out. You couldn't just wait five seconds. It was that important. No, that's ridiculous. Have some respect for Kelly Rowland, right? And it's just like, right? harder to imagine this happening with name any, like, either higher profile.

Cape Blanchett. Right, right. Yeah. So, yeah, this was, I was like. Who is middle class? Thank you very much. Yeah, can we please talk about Cape Blanchet being middle class? I think she just thinking it.

She just made him a, I don't think she meant to say she was middle class. I think that was just a hoops. Yeah, I think that was. Kate Blanchett said that she's middle class. She says, I'm white. I'm privileged. I'm middle class. And I think, you know, one can be accused of having a bit of a white savior complex.

But to be perfectly honest, my interaction with the refugees in the field, she's talking about, she was at an actual, like, she's a goodwill ambassador for the UN refugee agency. She is like in the middle of doing something that she's like working so hard to help a bunch of people. And of course, all the headlines are like, Kate Blanchette says she's middle class. Yeah. This dumb bitch. Oh, she's middle class. And not talking about the fact that like,

but she's a goodwill ambassador for the UN refugee agency. She's like doing, like she's actively doing a bunch of work. And I do think that maybe she misspoke. And like even it, like they of course include things like Forbes estimated Blanchett's annual earnings to be $12.5 million. And, you know, maybe it says more about our environment, but not we consider middle class.

How about we think about that? Yeah, I think that, I don't know, I do think that rich people have a pathological avoidance of saying that they're rich. That is a thing for sure. But I don't think that Kate Blanchett is stupid. So I think she does know what middle class means. And I think that must do. I don't know what happened there. I don't know how you do that.

I don't like this, she's, she's an intelligent person. She is, as you said, she does a lot of, you know, activism and stuff. There was like a lot of questioning, ambiguous questioning about the dress choice that she made on the red carpet, whether she was trying to make a political statement because it was red and green. And it was black and white and green. And then it was on the red carpet, which made the colors of the Palestinian flag. So she's like an intelligent person. And she said she was middle class and everyone's like, what are you talking about?

And of course, you know, some people on social media were like, oh, I guess she was like when she was her childhood, she was raised in a more of like a financially stressed youth is what she has said in the past. So maybe she was referring to that. But I don't think that she was because also we all know Kate Blanchett, you've been famous for quite some time. So I'm going to assume it was a miss speak on her part. I'm going to give this to her. Yeah, yeah. But I know it wasn't a Miss Mary on her part.

How do we feel about the child? All right. In my brain, you can't. can't take it away. She is a child. Millie Bobby Brown got married to Jake Bon Jovi, who yes is John Bon Jovi's son. She's 20 years old.

I thought you were going to talk about the other. The other child, which I am also news, which is Northwest as some of the... Man, we're talking about that. I am so conflicted on that one. We've got... I know. I know. Well, we can talk about. We can honestly talk about both. I feel like a lot. So Millie Bobby Brown got married.

Again, 20 years old. She's not actually a child. I think that all of us are trapped in, of course, I made the non-joke, like, in my brain, she may as well be 11. Ah! She's so funny, she still got it. Yeah, Star Far, bra. You didn't take all my magic away. Whoa.

So she got married, and I had to immediately look up how old she was, because I was like, how was she allowed to get married? And I forget that people can get married at 20, just because, like, I remember what I was like, 20. Some states they get married with her 16, I think, right? Am I crazy? No, it's not a thing. I feel like there's a couple of states, I think, of the union down there.

I'd say down at the bottom, no? I would, yeah, you know, I would say maybe you're right. And I think that it's, but then I guess it's also like, is she the same 20 as we were at 20? Because, like, she's been in the celebrity world and because she lives such a different life. And this goes back to a lot of the child stars, you know, like, oh, God, We don't need to talk about Britney Spears today, but I know that I included an article talking about Britney Spears and just watching her.

I had to stop. I just stopped following her. Did she? Yeah. I had to stop following Britney Spears. I guess I unfollowed. She hasn't been in my feed. You know what I mean?

Also, though, I feel like she hasn't done any knife dancing lately. And that's when the eye lingers, it's on the knife dancing. That's when I get really hyped up. No, this is more sad. Jake Bon Jovi is like her age, right? Yeah. 22. It's 22.

Yeah, at least there's an age disparity there. But it is funny. You're like, she's not a child, she's 20. But, you know, she's still not legally able to drink or rent a car. Right. Her frontal lobe is not developed enough to rent a car on her own. But I don't know. This does not bother me.

Like, because they're peers, because not that being John Bon Jovi's son is like comparable to being a child star in the level that Millie Bobby Brown, you know, kind of rocketed to massive fame. but I feel like there must be some level of kind of mutual understanding there of their life, you know. You grow up fast. Yeah. Yeah, you're right. It's a different 20 than we were a 20.

I think it's actually also more backed by another little tidbit that I didn't realize until I got to like the bottom of the article was that Jaman Jovey married his high school sweetheart. Yeah. So of course he's totally cool with this and understands what this is. And saw it work. Yeah. watched, you know, two people that, like, made it work through all, like, through success, through ups and downs. Like, and also as his son, I imagine he looks to his father and being like, that's the love

that I want. Yeah. You know, I feel like, right. It's L.A. and New York, I think also warp our, like, um, timelines, but, you know, like I had a friend. Yes. And being in this, and working in the way that we do because I feel like no one we knew was getting married young.

Yeah. And all my buddies, all my buddies, high school college. friends got married, were married by their mid-20s, essentially. By 22, yeah. I've got a lot. And most of my friends who got married right after college when they were 22 or 23, I have several high school sweetheart friends who met when they were 14. And who are still married?

Still together. I got college sweetheart friends who are still together. Yeah, my friend who had her first baby in New York at age, I think, 27. And she was like, I love being a 27-year-old mom in New York City because everybody treats me like a teen mom. So young. You're like, did you want it? Is this, are you happy?

What happened? But yeah, I mean, if my kid comes to me at 20 years old and is like, I'm getting married, I'm probably going to be like, your frontal lobe is not developed enough for you to rent a car. But also, I don't know, I'm trying, I hope that I wouldn't be scandalized. Like, no one's hurt by this, right? It's not like a creepy age difference. They seem to be, they've been in a relationship for a long time. For years.

Also, when I was pregnant with Zelda and I was working, I had a coworker who was 24. who was 20, who was also pregnant. And I was like, you know, 30, whatever. And it was very fun because we were kind of like going through our milestones together. And I was like, man, by the time you are my age, you're like going to be done. You know, like the hard part's going to be over. Oh, yeah. It's not like I'm pro, you know, very young pregnancy if you're not, if that's not what you want.

But I do actually feel like having a kid has weirdly made me like less freaked out about having a baby young only because I'm just like, you know what? it's going to be hard whenever. And yes, it's good for many people to wait because they're more financially stable or they're more emotionally stable. On the other hand, this person who I was working with, she lived with her family.

She had a lot of support. She was going to be able to finish school. She had a big family who was all going to help her. And I was kind of like, right on. You know, you're going to have a kid. I'm so happy for you. You have the energy for it younger, but you have more emotional and mental,

maturity if you do it older. So that's the trade-off. Either way, you're going to be working at a deficit in some way. And, though, I would say no matter what, I was in my early 30s when I had my first kid, and I did have done a lot of emotional growing up since then by way of being a parent, right? A parent. Yes, I was an emotionally healthier person at 33 than I was at 23 for sure. But no matter what, you are going to be doing a lot of emotional growth just by way of.

of helping somebody else navigate their emotions. And so, yeah, there's, not that I want Millie and Mr. Bon Jovi Jr. to like start, you know, having kids, right? This young, they might just be young married people. Right. But it, I don't know. There's just something about it where I'm like, good for-huh. You know, I got nothing against it.

But hot takes, though, Northwest, performing in the Lion King. She performed as young Simba in a live, the Lion King's 30th anniversary concert here in Los Angeles and the internet ripped her performance apart. And we are not here to make fun of a kid. We are not making fun of a child. She's saying in key.

I think that she did. I don't want to shit on the performance. I don't want to make fun of a child. Yeah. I can't, I'm not going to make fun of a child. But the fact that she got that role was probably facilitated by adults who we could shit on. I would like to shit on that.

Because I just want to throw it out there. if you've ever seen a child on Broadway, there's a difference. I don't know how to get into this. I feel so split on this. I think Twitter cheating on this performance like sucks and the way that they're doing it for the most part, right? Other than the part where they just go, this is annoying to see. Like there's so many other, you know, I just, I, yeah, I'm not making fun though. I'm just, I'm flatly saying it was like not on the level performance wise as so, you know, what.

What they could have hired. Yeah, and that's, I still know she wanted to be doing it. Yes. Like, that's, that's, and the reason I point out that she's saying in key is because it seems like she could, she could do this, right? I think that in terms of the, it seemed like she might not have, like, known where she was moving on the stage. I think, and, and that's why I asked, like, did she want to do this?

Like, and that's, that's where the real, that's where the creepy, disturbing stuff comes in, right? Did she want to do this? If she wanted to do it, then, yeah, this was, like, quality enough that if I saw it in a community, you know, like, a non on Broadway, I'd be like, good job, you know? But like, if she was put into this role, whatever role Kim Kardashian had in getting Northwest in front of the, in the audition space and whatever to get this role, that seems like maybe it was a, I don't know. We don't know if it was a Northwest choice or a Kim K choice, but there's. I'll just repeat there, if you've ever seen a actual child musical theater person on Broadway, you would, and compared it to that, you would be like, this is.

fucking, not the same. Something happened here. It has to do with nepotism. I won't say anything negative about it. I'll just say it's not the same. And there were a ass load of kids that audition for that part. And I just, yeah, it's conflicting

us again. I don't think Twitter should shit all over. A child performing it on stage, but it's annoying to be in a weird way. Because that's a thing. I hate. kids singing.

But you're so right, Holden, because, like, Le Miz, one of my favorite, Gavroche shows. Gavroche is an amazing character in it and also is always a trained Broadway singer. Yeah. And like, even though like they are kids,

and yes, I'm not the biggest fan of listening to kids sing, I'm going to listen to a trained anyone sing anything and be down with it. What I get upset with is honestly it's things like this when it's like, everyone has told this child, and I'm not talking about Northwest, I'm just talking about just in general, when you tell your children,

like, you're the best, you're the best and no one's better than you. And you get out there and you do, and then, and I, you get the vibe of that. Yeah, like that kid who's, you are the best. Recently there was that viral video

of the National Anthem Kid, and it was like everything that Jackie makes fun of about children singing, it was like, that kid. And I was like, yeah, I was like, I don't want to make fun of this kid. I do want to be mad at all the adults who put the kid in this situation.

If you were to tell me, based on that footage, that Kim Kardashian for Northwest's birthday, Northwest always wanted to play that part in the Lion King musical. So Kim Kardashian paid all the people to like let Northwest live out their dream of like playing that part for their birthday. And it was like it was funded for that. I would believe you. Yeah. It just one person on the stage does not is not like the others.

Yes. Yes. It's very evident. I think that that's what irks people, but it's such a difficult space to complain in because then you're running the risk of like shitting on a kid who's just up there clearly having a good time, like clearly enjoying themselves. Trying her best. And yeah.

Yeah. And just, but you know, it's like I just, you can't help I notice the difference. You know. Also, I, you know, I think all Northwest discourse is really, really difficult, right? Sure. Because she's on keeping up with the Kardashians and she's been raised by like these. who we know about. And she's like put, she's on TikTok.

She's put in these so adultified situation. So I think it's actually. She said the Kanye music video for his newest album. Right. So it was just released. It is, it has come out the fact that the Keeping Up with the Kardashians and the Lion King at the Hollywood Bowl are both produced by the same production company.

Yeah. And that she was, she did not go up against any other children to perform and was just put into the role. Of course. Of course. I'm surprised that, I mean, it only took a day for people to be like, blah, blah, blah, blah. Oh, the production companies are saying.

Okay, got you. Totally. It's great that we solidify that information, but I think everybody clearly knew that. Assumed it. Yeah. The only thing you could tell me that would make me be like, no, is like, yeah, she definitely auditioning against everybody and was the best one of the whole. Right.

Of course not. No fucking way in a million years. Right. Is that the kid? I think that it's, I think that what sucks for Northwest is that. because her family is like adultifying her, it feels like, and she's very, very rich, and she has, like, the most annoying dad on earth.

Like, and the most annoying mom on earth. It feels like, I think that for some people, it might feel kind of like justified to make fun of the kid, you know? Right. But she's still a kid. At the end of the day, she's still a child. And like, yes, it's like, well, this kid has been on social media

since, like, the beginning of their existence. Right. has like been aware of the machine of celebrity dump. Right. But she's still a child. Right. And it's still impressionable and it's still, you know, asked or maybe encouraged to do things she doesn't want to do. You have to remember.

Yeah, she can't consent to this. Like she literally legally can't consent to any of this, you know, and it's happening. And it's funny that I have to say it kind of breaks my heart because she's getting everything she wants ever probably in her life in this situation. But maybe not. She really looked. You know, it's one of those where it's like, it's the worst compliment we could get. When I was directing a sketch comedy group at the pit, I remember the worst thing that we would get. I knew we bombed if someone afterwards was like, you guys look like you're having a lot of fun.

Oh, God. But that's how I feel about it. It looks like she's having a lot of fun up there. She does. And it was the most childish thing I've seen her do. And that was why I was happy for her. Yeah. That was why I was happy for her.

I was like she's singing like a kid who is like trying to sing their heart out in a show. Yeah. It's just that it's. weird that it's at the Hollywood Bowl, but like, you know, I totally agree, Holden. It's like, you, this is, you are trying your hardest. Yeah, this is like a cute thing that a kid can do. And it's way more age appropriate than almost everything else we see her do in public, you know. I don't know she's trying her hardest, but she's having fun.

And that's great. She's having fun. And I'm glad for that. Yeah, she might have tried her hardest. All right. It's time for the celebrity conspiracy. Hit me with the share. Do you believe it?

Another cake boss conspiracy. Yay! It runs deep. All right. But before we begin, this is a weird one, but I will say, because I do love this movie so much,

this conspiracy involves, this conspiracy email involves major spoilers for the Christopher Nolan film, The Presti. So whoever we're interested in watching this very old movie. The prestige is a great movie, and if you haven't seen it, you should stop this and go watch the prestige right now.

It's great. And it's built on. I haven't seen it, but I'm not going to stop. You can't stop me. It's built on a twist. And so to ruin that, it doesn't ruin the movie, but it takes a little air out of the time. You're about to ruin the movie if you're going to say what I think you're going to say. Oh, of course.

Yeah. This one, so fast forward or whatever, if you don't want any spoilers for the Christopher Nolan film, The Prestige, which was filmed decades ago. But still, if you haven't watched it yet, you should probably watch it. I'm sorry, cat's just going to get out of the bag for you. Get that cat out of the bag. hand it to me. I love cats. All right, here we go. This one comes in from Tobias, who writes, I can't say why this came to me last night, but here it is. Are the Ace of Cakes and the Cake

Boss pulling a reverse prestige? I think they are actually just one man. Oh, I am here for this. Who I call the Ace of Cake bosses or Boss Ace Cake. Pretending to be two different bakers, I think that the ACB was already a talented baker and cake decorator who saw Christopher Nolan's 2006 film and had the most galaxy-brained idea for dominating the cake-related reality TV market. Spoiler. In The Prestige, Christian Bale plays a pair of twins who pretend to be a single magician selling the trick of teleportation. I love this movie so much.

It's so well done. It's a movie about magicians. It's really, really well done. It's a period piece. It's set like back of the day. It's great. I love it. I love it.

I love it. But anyways, but that's the big spoiler for it. And it is like a holy shit moment when it gets to that part of the baby. And I am sad that it is ruined for you because honestly, MJ, the fact that you'd gone this long

because the first time I saw the prestige, I was blown away. It's like the first time you see the sixth sense level of this. Yeah. It's a great one of those. And it's Christopher Nolan before he got way too overcomplicated in his work. And like,

it's just very, very cool. Okay. Here's the motive. Two personalities sequels. two TV shows, dollar sign, dollar sign, dollar sign, establishes a monopoly on cake decorating reality TV that looks like a duopoly. There is the illusion of competition, illusion.

And a last motive, maybe the ACB, exactly, maybe the ACB wanted to be an actor deep down and sees this as the role of a lifetime. Evidence, the prestige came out in 2006, the same year that Ace of Cake started airing in three years before Cake Boss, ACB would have plenty of time to hatch his grand plan. Cake Boss had a terrible in-home,

bowling alley related hand injury in 2020, taking years to recover. Then in 2024, Ace of Cake suffers a hand injury and a car accident? Is that a Quinky Pink or a way to explain away both bakers having similar to Isabella? Oh, Coimmy Pink. I know right. Bring back Coquinky Pink. Are there recovery periods?

Are these recovery periods convenient ways for the ACB to lay low when the charade becomes too much to bear? I know you might be thinking that the Ace of Cakes and Cake Boss look nothing alike. Have you ever seen these two decorated cake? If anyone could make a realistic disguise, a pro cake baker could because of their skill and decorated cakes, apparently, according to Tobias. Their head is made of fondant.

A real one would love the challenge. So what do you guys think? Definitely real, probably. Prestige, great movie. Okay, first of all, there is a show where they both compete against each other and they are in the same room. But like, what if we're what?

Totally. Think about CGI. Absolutely. MJ, think about what AI and CGI can accomplish nowadays. Absolutely. And think about that. Absolutely. Also, I am going to even give more credit to this theory and to the writer of this theory

because I actually think that they look quite a lot of like considering they're two different people. They do. Like, they're pretty, they got, they both got like a kind of, you know, big neck situation. they are kind of similar coloring. And they are surprised. They look like they could be brothers. They always have. It's always surprised me how similar they are.

And another fun thing is that Buddy, Cake Boss, is like a proud Italian Catholic who talks all the time about all the various Catholic things he does. And Duff, Ace of Cakes, is like a proud Jewish person who talks all the time about his Jewish baking traditions. So they're both culturally. Interesting. Isn't that nice? We get a little bit of, you know, a diversity of... Are you, what?

I've never heard of that before. But isn't that nice that if it's one person, he was like, you know what? I'm going to represent Judaism and Catholicism. There you go. Thank you. Amazing. To the cake community. So I...

Yes. I'm going to bridge our cultures via cake. And I think that that's terrific. And so, of course, I believe. All right. I definitely believe. I definitely believe. Yeah, I'm 100% of believer.

I say, I mean, ever since the injury, you know, that's always been a little suss to me. What was going on with that injury? You know what I mean? Oh, is it the bowling alley in your house? Yeah. Interesting. There will be blood, by the way, did you beat someone to death of the bowling pin? Sorry, spoilers for that movie as well.

Wow. Wow. It's out the spoiler gate today. Yeah. Well, Bruce Willis is dead. Ah! And Haley Joel Osmond's head just kept getting bigger and his face stayed the same size. Yes, absolutely.

All right, I guess we both believe. So I guess it's time for the list. Haley Joel Osmond's like a Dick Tracy villain. You know what I mean? Right. Let's get to the list. Who's on the list? Jenny Gay, got to have that list.

Easter eggs and behind the scenes tidbits about Hollywood movies. I did not know this. The Lord of the Rings. The orcs black mouths were done with mouthwash. As orcs are supposed to have black blood, they couldn't go around with normal human pink mouths, so the actors swished black licorice mouthwash between takes. Oh, I got one, I got one, I got one too.

Hit me, hit me. Mad Max Free Road, we just did the episode on it for Wizard of the Bruiser, and the shiny chrome was not spray paint, of course, it was cake decoration. Ooh! It was silver cake decoration. So it was like sugary goodness. So was Duff also in the shimmer dust?

Yeah. I think the Duff was in there making, he's turning everything into cakes. He's turning furiosa into cakes. It has been alleged that Duff was indeed the D. Morton Jail? The electric guitar flamethrower guy. It is alleged. I knew it.

He looks like that guy. He does. This is the thing about Buddy and Ace. They are Buddy and Duff. They are vague enough looking men. Like they just, they could. It's like, yeah, he could be him. You know what I mean?

Like, they just kind of look like a guy. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Oh, for sure. But who doesn't look like a nice guy is Robert Patrick. In Terminator 2 Judgment Day, James Cameron apparently originally wanted Billy Idol as the T-1000. That became impossible when Idle broke his leg and forearm in a motorcycle accident,

so the role went to Robert Patrick. Forearm, does he make cakes too? Whoa! Fucking story gets deeper and darker. It's all cake, and maybe... Bring it back to cake. I mean, maybe the xenomorphs were also made out of cake. in the movie aliens.

But no, it was made out of 14 to 16 people because it took 14 to 16 people to operate the alien queen animatronic puppet. Yeah, my biggest, like, old man shaking my fist at the sky thing is that every movie is better when they use puppetry instead of CGI. And this is a great example. Man, we are going to talk about it when we talk about on talking TV

because I saw Furiosa and also I've got a lot to say because you're right I love practical I want you know I love anything it's why you know we love the movie Labyrinth right it's why it was like if you think about the movies from our childhood that we were so obsessed with

if they weren't like animated and things like that it's the ones where you use the practical stuff I want to see the oh the artistry of it it's unsettling how much stuff in Fury Road is real and actually happen in a real shot and not CGI. It's like disturbing when you rewatch it with that lens.

Yeah, I've been in nuts deep and Mad Max lately, but I haven't seen Frii so excited to get your response to that. We will talk about it. And you know, man, at some point, we're also going to talk about the new Deadpool movie that's coming out that actually looks very genuinely great. And I am some of this is not someone, I'm not a huge Deadpool person.

But apparently in Deadpool 2, Brad Pitt did his campaign. for scale and a Starbucks coffee. His condition was that the coffee was hand delivered by Ryan Reynolds. So that's what he did to do his cameo, which for those of you, I mean, I think everyone knows that like scale is what most actors get paid to do a movie and most celebrities do not get paid scale. They get paid way more than scale. So for Brad Pitt to do that, he's just doing a buddy of favor, which is kind of fun.

That's the last nice thing he did. I think so, man, watching this divorce. Ooh, you're watching it? How do you watch the divorce? No, just like watch it, like the headlines and keep coming out about it and watching as it unfolds. Because, like, I keep seeing these like minor wins for Angelina Jolie and then just these brutal strikedowns from Brad Pitt. And it's like, man, who is the judge? What is happening over there?

Do you just wish like there was a live stream of the divorce? You just watch them like sad in a room. room somewhere, you know what I mean, just ruminating on lost ears. That's called scenes from a marriage, Holden. Yes. Oh my God. Seeds from a marriage. So good. I know I keep bringing it up, but that's just, that's my Roman Empire.

God, that was also like in the thick of like the early days of Winnie, I believe, when I watched that. So I was already just like in the dark all the time. Just like, let's watch a marriage fall apart. Oh, that will help my postpartum depression. Well, living in Sicily helped Robert De Niro, who lived in Sicily to prepare for the role in the Godfather two. Going the method route,

De Niro stayed in Sicily to thoroughly learn the local language as all but eight words of his dialogue were in Sicilian. And then he kissed me. No, I was just going to say, I just love Robert De Niro. But aren't all of his scenes

in The Godfather Part 2, almost all of them set in New York City? Yeah, but he's speaking. He's got to know the Sicilian. He's got to be immersed in it. He's got to be immersed in it. He's got to feel it. Okay, that's fair.

That's fair. He's got to feel his mother country and his bones. Absolutely. All right. Speaking of Mad Max, Mad Max 2, the road warrior, Max only has 16 lines of dialogue. Two of them are the repeated line, I only came for the gasoline.

Yeah. Yeah, very minimal. I mean, he wanted to make a, essentially like a one long action sequence. He wanted it to be as minimal dialogue as possible. And the entire The script was essentially a comic book Was a full storyboard

They did thousands of panels of storyboard Oh, that's so cool Yeah, I mean there was a script technically But like they worked on They started with storyboard That's how visual they wanted the movie to be Wow damn And then everything else

Yeah it's I'm more in love with that movie That's one of those episodes we did for Was The Bruiser where I just like have such a profound And deep respect for that franchise now on a level that like I didn't even have before even though Fury Road is one of my favorite movies I think at this point after especially the episode I'm like that is

in my top 10. Herey Road is possibly in my top five. It is a masterpiece. It's definitely in my top three favorite action movies. I would say that for sure. Hands down. And it is so visual it's like one long action shot at least that's how it feels. It's so good. Incredible.

Yeah I love it. Last but not least this is just a cute one in Paddington 2 director Paul King had to teach the children how to use a phone booth. He called it one of the most dispiriting things he had to do during production. That's funny though. I just think that's very true.

Dispiriting, I don't know. It's like that's in the past. In fact, and having to live a life where like the only way to call people out and about was via a phone booth is made life a lot more challenging, though, at the same time. Like, I think that's a good change

that we've gone through because that's crazy. Honestly, we were just talking about this, we were out in the middle of nowhere over the weekend and we saw someone hitchhiking and we were just talking about the fact that like, man, people used to just like, you'd have to hitchhike because like if you're stranded out somewhere, you got to get somewhere. Yeah. And like that's so crazy to me to even think about the world where it's like, yeah, if your car is, if you, like, if you're on the side of the road, what the fuck else are you

going to do? I do miss the part though where if you left your house for the day, you were out in the world and there was no immediate ability to contact you per se. And I do, I do miss that. I miss that you had an excuse to not be contactable at one point in time. Or you could just do what our parents do and just leave their phone for all day long, which is wild. I was just, I'm just like, how do you leave the house without it? I was chaperoning a field trip to the library for my kids kindergarten class and the librarian was like giving a little tour and was like, and here's the computers.

and if you have a library card, you can access the computers and do whatever you need to on a computer if you don't have one at home. And one of the adults was like, I actually never used my library card for that. And I was like, man, that is the old, until I didn't get a smartphone until 2011. And that was the only way I ever checked my email

in New York City was to find a library. In New York? Yeah, I'd have to go to the New York Public Library so I could check my email and so I could like send out, I remember sending out specifically like resumes and having to run to the library while not a temp job trying to send out other resumes.

And you and I were both nannies, So we had a mental map already of all the libraries in Manhattan. All the libraries. Oh, yeah, so you could always run to one. And Andrew Carnegie, to his credit, designed Manhattan so that there is a library within child walking distance of anywhere you are in immediate and designed Manhattan. He built his library system so that there is a child, like a library within child walking distance, which in my experience, at least below like the, I was always in like lowerish Manhattan. But it was true. You could always walk to a library.

We don't have that kind of public infrastructure anymore. That's how I had to check my OKCupid messages so that I could know who I was going to go have sex with that. Absolutely. Absolutely. All right, well, I think I'm going. Blind! Items.

Oh, we can't see them. This A-list north of the border singer, I didn't realize he was Canadian slash sometimes bad, terrible. I hate his acting. He's a piece of shit. Or he's not a piece of shit, but he annoys me. It's in talks to have a residency at the Vegas orb. It's the venue's strict prohibition of drugs in the green room that might be the deal breaker.

Okay, wait, he's north of the border. I mainly, all right. North the border is right. I did not know he's Canadian. He's done a halftime show. I think he's insanely mediocre. Weekend. Is acting?

Yes. Weekend is Canadian? Weekend, more like Wednesday, right? I mean, come on with this guy. The weekend, yeah. I mainly called this out because I think it's kind of ironic. Like, I also got wind of this about the sphere. is the most like four drugs thing I've ever seen made.

And no drugs. They won't let anyone like you cannot smoke weed in there like at all. You cannot like they shut it down fast. I mean obviously I'm sure you could get stuff in or whatever. Take edibles. Eat edibles or whatever. But still I do think it's funny that they're so like drug free about this thing that is so. So for drugs.

I couldn't come up with more of a thing made for drugs. You know, to the point we're already like dead income. and like fish and pretty much any psychedelic thing you could think of has like gone in there, like drug live band is like gone in there to perform or will be performing there. But yeah, that I believe it. It was like Eddie saw fish on 420. And you're going to say you can't smoke needed there. They were like shutting down.

Like you couldn't, you could you couldn't light the joint. By the time you like took one pool, they were like. But he said they were watching on it. Oh, they were watching. And that's so dumb to me. That's so ridiculous. People are just entering the fish concert with like massive jugs of edibles, you know, like an industrial size container. Like a Costco size amount.

Yeah, yeah. Just like gulping them down. Well, even though they said it was a marketing ploy, this illiterate actress convinced her former co-star to buy a house out of California so they could be closer together and away from the cameras. Kardashian. No. Marketing ploy for a movie that came out. It's fine. The movie's okay.

Oh, Sidney Sweeney. Yes. Love is based on Sagan. And what's his face? Glenn Powell. Glenn. I don't know. Yeah.

I would. They should just film them fucking. Shark face. Shark face. Weasel face. I think we landed on. Shark face. And bazzoos.

Yeah. And bazzie's got him. Biggle. Shark face and tiggle bitties. Yeah. Tiggle bitties. Slamming against each other. Cock and vagina.

Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you for exploit. I was just like, oh, what does he mean laying together? Swam at one. Last but not least, this illiterate singer who is a list solo and in a group was crazy wasted on an overseas red carpet to the point the person who invited him was really upset.

The person was his brother. They're in a band together. Making it up pretty easy for you guys. Whoa. The liches. No. There are a lot of brother music. Yeah, there's so many brother bands.

I'd say they're technically hotter than that, but also. Jonas Brothers. Yes. Joe Jonas, Nick Jonas at Khan. Joe was the drunk one. Nick was the upset one. And it just puts a really funny visual to my head that he's like, I invited my fucking brother to be a part of this. I think Nick's in some movie at showing at Khan.

And it's like, and of course he gets too drunk. It's such a like, I like these like kind of celebrities. They're just like us. That's a very celebrities. They're just like us kind of thing. Like I invited my brother to this fancy party. Got too drunk. Yeah.

That I have connections to. and he got too drunk and I had to like drag him out of there and it was so embarrassing as very like some shit that would go down I believe especially between brothers I do love that where he's just like come on man don't fuck this off from you go and it's Joe too the like because Joe's in divorced dad territory now he's in divorce dad land and he's like the face

and the lead or whatever so it'd be so annoying like you overshadowed me again by getting too drunk I believe it I don't believe the Sydney Sweetie Gwyn Powell blind, but I do believe this blind because it's just It feels real to me. And there you go. Those are the blinds.

Open your eyes and realize we're at the end of the show. Sorry, I was performing in Lion King just then and I got to step away. Yeah, I guess you can wait to be king. I would wait for a long time. Thank you guys so much for joining us and thank you for letting me gush about the star for bar bar. I really appreciate it, but also check out designer daddy because designer daddy also is starting to release home dresses so that you can buy your own designer daddy dress through Fantastique, which is the company that is putting on these Starfall balls. But my name is Jackie Zabrowski, and you could follow me on Instagram at Jack That Worm.

And you should totally come hang out with MJ and I over on Twitch.tv. forward slash oh no it's Jackie on Wednesdays because Wednesday mornings oh baby do we woohoo do we I mean right now Natalie Jean is trying to turn as many people in the Sims world into a vampire but we found out that you have to get consent first and so turns out she's been being a really bad vampire so we got to like clean up some of our loose ends this week and we're killed we do a lot of killing but also were very moral. So instead of killing Harrison Butker, we killed the conversion camp counselor who made Harrison Butker into the monster that he is, which is something we learned. Which also, yeah, we didn't know. We did learn that. We didn't know that he had been sent to

conversion camp, and that's sad. But he's still a bad man and he's an adult and he's responsible for his decisions. But anyway, we killed the, we killed a fictional character that we blame for who he is. So if you want some moral killing, go to the Simstream. But man, is that guy probably trapped in his own gayness, and that is unfortunate. Speaking of party vibes, check out Twitch.com. Twitch.combe forward slash Holdenators Ho. Jackie is back from Denver. She and I will be partying in the flesh this week.

It's going to be a fucking awesome time. 6 p.m. E.S.T. We are going to party hard this Friday. Twitch.tv.tv.4.L. Holdenators ho. come check us out on that. Come check us out on patreon.com forward slash page 7 podcast. Patreon.com for it slash page seven podcast. We have weekly bonus episodes for just $5 a month.

We've got the Jackie book reading as well going on right now. Where are you out with that, Jackie? Also, I was about to say soon I am going to be putting up a poll to see where we're going to move after a soul to keep for the book club if we're going to move on to the next book. I also have all these amazing recommendations for different smut that I would love to bring into Jackie's book club. So I'm going to put up a poll up there pretty soon to be choosing what our next book is going to be. So come check it out over on our page seven podcast, Patreon. Hell yeah.

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M.J. My name is M.J. And I'm M.J.K. L. Kat on Instagram. We've been having so much fun with Buffy. Come hang out with us. And it's time to sing the shout-out song, y'all. Shout. Shout.

Let it all out. These are the emails that you wrote it about. Come on. We're going to read them to you. Come on. Uh-oh, it's time for the shoutouts, and you can send in your own shoutouts to page 7 podcast at gmail.com. Again, send in whatever you'd like,

if you've got some recommendations, if you've got just something to say to one of us, page 7 podcast at gmail.com, but also you can send shoutouts to yourself, to a loved one. Tell to absolutely nobody if you want. I mean, I guess that would just, I don't know what that would do. tail, but sometimes I just talk and it happens. Anyway, our first shout-out goes out to Victoria.

Victoria says, I am writing this at my wedding dress alteration appointment. I got married to the love of my life last September at the courthouse. So this year, our 10th year together, we are having a ceremony for family back home. I get to wear my mother's wedding dress. I've been listening to the latest talking TV while I wait for the tailor, and I wanted to give a shout out to you guys. Oh, thank you, Victoria. I can't tell you how much y'all mean to me. Page 7, last podcast, and Whizbrew have been such a comfort through the last seven years. I started listening to last podcast, and then page 7, when I first moved to Portland, Oregon, after leaving my hometown of Ventura, California. I was freshly out of my parents' house, and in a new state with my best friend, my now husband,

and my two cats. I wasn't very good at socializing outside of work. I'm still not L-O-L. So I spent my time gaming and listening to podcasts. Last podcast was a comfort. And when I heard Henry's sister had a pop culture podcast called Page 7, I had to check it out. I fell in love.

I work at a grocery store in charge of the cosmetics department, and I mostly work alone. So I get to listen to podcasts on the down low and your episodes, main feed and Patreon. Hell yes, have really helped me pass the time at work. I feel like I'm with dear friends. Thanks for helping me through the anxiety of the pandemic, which started when I was 24.

I'm 28 now. You've all helped me get through my 20s, and it's been hard, but I'm kind of getting the hang of it. Thanks for everything, and thank you for everything, Victoria. I wish you every single second of happiness that you deserve, and I'm so happy that, oh, look at you growing every day, making big decisions and I'm so happy for you and I'm proud of you and thank you for listening and sticking by with us as we also had a lot of growing up to do and I'm sending you so much love

Victoria. The next email that we have coming in now and this isn't necessarily a shout out Nancy, I don't know if you meant for this to be a shout-up but I feel like everyone needs to know about this because I did not know about this. Nancy says, hey y'all, I'm super baked right now but I had to share this with y'all since y'all had been getting charmed by chet hanks's riz. Before he started his white boy summers, he had a small role in the 2007 live action Brats movie, as in the line of dolls brats. I hope this clip of his character, Dexter, giving major anime kid vibes and trailer, can convince

y'all to possibly do a brats watch-along. The 2007 Brats movie gives Jojo Siwa vibes in the way that Brats wants to be bad girl high school musical, but does nothing to be a bad girl. It's filled with awful 2007 fashion, and if you need more convincing, the movie also features John Voight in a very uncanny valley prosthetics. Sorry for writing this while baked, but much love to all three of you, and hopefully Holden doesn't see too much of himself and Chet's Weeb character, Nancy. I just want to say thank you.

I was not aware of this movie, and I didn't know that I needed it in my life, and I do want you to know that I'm going to try very hard to get MJ and Holden to say yes to doing a Brats watch-along. And if you maybe, you know, remember the Brats movie and also think that we should do a watch-along, hit us up, Page 7 Podcast at gmail.com. If we get more letters, we can convince them easier. So thank you, Nancy. You're doing the loads work. Our next shot-out goes out to Katie.

Katie says, huge LPN fan here. And I just wanted to send you your flowers. Thank you, Katie. Katie. Katie says, I'm sorry. I'm currently going through a breakup, just turned 30, and have to move back to my hometown after a year of some of the worst mental health I've ever had. Let's just say I'm not having the greatest time right now, but I'm trying to stay positive. And as a fellow loud, curvy, Italian-American, bisexual woman, hearing all your anecdotes about what you've gone through in the past and how you've had to work on yourself to become who you are now, has been so inspiring. And I just want you to know how much you just being yourself means to me. Katie, I need you to know you got this shit. This is when it starts.

This is when everything that you've always wanted begins. It's when it all falls apart. And I never knew that before. You've got this shit. And the fact that you're already staying positive and you're doing you, I'm so proud of you. You were already leagues beyond where I was at 30. And you've got to remember that.

Even though our brain tells us 30 is old, It's not. You've got so much time to change and to just do whatever the hell you want to do. And I'm sorry, Katie continues. I just wanted to, I needed to pause and send you love and just let you know that your positivity is going to be worth it. All right, you continue on to say. Hearing about your open queerness while in a loving relationship with a man is such a breath of fresh air in this weirdly biphobic world. Hearing about you getting things like anger, substance use, and general mental health, under control makes me feel less shame about what I also need to get under control. I know parisocial relationships are weird, but literally the other day when I was having a very

bad brain day, I pictured you hyping me up like you did in the Chapel Rowan promo video, like, you got this bitch! And it genuinely made me feel so much better. Thank you for being my inner voice of self-love when my own is a little too quiet lately. I love, love, love you, twy babies, unite! Please bring page 7 to Spokane or Seattle, Washington so I can buy a goddamn VIP ticket so I can hug you with consent. Of course, thank you again, Katie. And thank you so much for writing in and reaching out when you hit

this point where you're like, uh, I don't know what's happening and I don't know what's going on. You know what? It's okay. Sometimes we don't know what the fuck our future's going to be and you jump into the void and you welcome it with open arms. And that seems like what you are duding. Duding. It's what you're doing, Katie. I'm so happy for you. Hell yes. Take control of your shit. You've got this. And you know what? It's not going to happen overnight, but that's okay.

Peace by piece, day by day. And if you have some setbacks, you have some setbacks. It's not all just completely a one-way street from here, but that's where we learn and where we grow. Love you so much, Katie, and much love to everybody out there, whether you're going through a great time or whether you're going through a rough time. We're here for you, and I just want to send love your way. Have a great week.

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