Page 7 - Ep. 549: While You Were Sleepless in Seattle

Episode Date: August 22, 2024

On this Page 7 Holden, MJ, and Jackie, joined by a surprise spider guest host goss' 'bout the "bumpy" PR crisis Blake Lively is currently trapped within, which may have to do with "It Ends with Us" director Justin Baldoni, MJ fills everyone in on Colleen Hoover, the author of the book the movie is based on's other beach read worthy works,  NASA astronauts Butch Wilmore and Sunita Williams are STILL STUCK IN SPACE AT THE ISS AND WHY AREN'T MORE PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT IT?! And in Celebrity Conspiracy Corner: Is Lana Del Rey A Woman Cursing WITCH!? On the List: BTS stories from iconic romcoms and they are RIDIC ADORBZ!! Blindz and Shoutzzzzz! Want even more Page 7? Support us on Patreon! Patreon.com/Page7Podcast  Subscribe to SiriusXM Podcasts+ to listen to new episodes of Page 7 ad-free.Start a free trial now on Apple Podcasts or by visiting siriusxm.com/podcastsplus. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

It's been stuck in my head ever since MJ posted for my birthday. Thank you, MJ. But I believe it was a very hungover video of us singing, There's a fire starting in my heart. Reach it a fever pitch that's bring me out the dark. Bye. And I can see it crystal clear. Yeah, sell me out in Norway, your shit bear.

I'm singing Rolling in the Deep. We could have had a... Aw, it's a good song to sing while hung over because it's got that nice low register. What? I'm sorry, it was the spider. Is that Adele? Adele, is that you?

Wait, wait, wait, where's the spider now? Wait, hold on. So you're just going to let the spider live? Yeah, it's in my house. I have to let it go. I have to let it be. Let it be. We don't kill spider.

Spider, you go your way and I will stay here. You must not pass. You're going to do a whole last episode of a podcast. with a spider just in, in your realm. It's her civic duty, Holden. They're helpers. They are helpers. We can't kill them.

We have to look to the helpers. I'm not saying to kill the spider, but I'm just, I can't believe you're just gonna, you're just gonna just be caught, cause about. Well, maybe this is scary, put the mic up to the spider.

How does the spider feel about Blake lively? Hey, oh, I. Hey, oh, I think to say, you matter. She's one big, bitch. Oh my God. Wow. Wow. The spider.

Wow. So the exact world is very team. Team everybody else versus Blake lively. Yes, guys. Beldone got to the spider. The flip flop that has been heard around the world. Man, it almost seems like just last week that we were saying,

man, nobody rips Blake lively apart. Yes. I can't believe nobody rips Blake lively apart. But here's what we were missing. She hadn't been through a red carpet. interview racket in years. Yeah. And I think, oh, baby, not only was that what they were waiting for, but yeah, I think it had something to do with a PR crisis management.

Yeah. We will get to that because the spider has moved away from me, everyone. I need everyone to know the spider went their way and I went mine. And I just want to say, thank you, Spider, living lately. I let die because I want you to live. Yeah, live and let live. Live and let live. Yes, I'm changing the wings.

So you're welcome. Yeah, Blake Lively is a bitch and everybody knew it. Everybody said it. Let's break it all down. This thing, all right, because first of all, I just want to get ahead of it. This thing is messy.

This is a mess. This is a total match. Also, again, remember, too, when there's not a lot of celebrity gossip going on, the fat rises to the top. Yes. And so sometimes, oh, we look through that grease. And I say, oh, baby, I can find a couple of bacon bits in there that I can still eat.

Right, right. And we have found it. And that's this week. So again, we love here at page seven, we love a low stakes celebrity piss off, right? We, this is, this is, I mean, I think that also I download it. I downloaded the book. It ends with us. I think that the movie.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I'm going to listen to the book. Oh, I need to wait. I need to know. You're right. I was one of the people I'm on vacation with said that they liked it. So I'm, I'm going to read it. I have also.

Colleen Hoover. This is why this is inherently messy, right? The book, people have book talk. Yes, book talk. I think that's all I've said about this book for a lot. Arguably not low stakes. People are, I'm already anticipating people being, it's not low stakes because, but, but, but,

But in terms of whether Blake Lively is a bitch or not, I feel like that's a low stakes question in the scheme of the world. Okay, so we're going to obviously do our best. To unpack the... This is big, MJ, and you're really trying to make it small. And is she bitch or is she brat? Or is she demure? Or is she demure?

Right. And then... We all know. There's the Blake lively question. I cannot wait to bite into this big hunk of fat because there's also the whole controversy about the book itself. whether or not the book is good. And it turns out I have read one of this bitch's books,

Colleen Hoover's book, Verity. You can just refer to her as coho if you want, because that's the people that hate her call her coho. Coho. All I'm sorry, maybe it's her fans. I don't know. All I know is that I've seen a lot of vitriol with the line coho in it. And this is the type of book, I think,

and the type of author that it genders a lot of feelings in people because it is the type of like airport fiction bestseller or even Barnes & Noble Front Window fiction bestseller that it's like the way people start to talk about after Gone Girl, how every title of every popular fiction book was called like, Girl is missing.

Yeah. Girl is not here anymore. You know, and like she writes that genre, the housewife mystery bitch genre, which I love. And also, yeah, don't get us wrong because here at page 7,

I don't remember like the summer where MJ and I were only reading Leanne Moriarty books. I love her. It's like, don't get us wrong. I love a trash beach. And you know what? Coho is no Leanne Moriarty.

She has no Leanne Moriarty. Okay. But I think that one of the reasons why this doesn't feel low stakes to people is because the plot of the book and therefore the plot of the movie is about domestic abuse. Yeah. Yes. So I think that. So immediately messy.

Yes. Immediately messy. And I feel like feelings are running very high because of that. And that makes sense. It's a beach tree. It's a beach read. About domestic videos. And now it's like...

Get your flower dresses on. Yeah, it's a fun summer movie. Sorry, yeah, we're jump. I'm sorry, I'm jumping ahead. You're still talking about the book. You're right. We need to talk about the book. But also, yeah, bitches, get your bitches.

Let's watch. Uh-oh, something upsetting together. But also, we're like drinking wine while we do it. And this genre is not unheard of. Right. We remember Big Little Lies. Also, a sexy, also about domestic abuse.

So it can be done and it can be done well. I think that that book was fantastic and I also think that the show was fantastic. But I think that the question is, is Blake lively doing it well? And I think the answer is a pretty unequivocal no. Nay. It's a nay.

But then also... I'm going to horse on that one. Yes, it's a nay. But then also, Holden pointed out before we started recording that in addition to... And Jackie pointed out, it's been four years since we've seen a Blake lively interview, which is why we may have not realized

how bad she is at doing interviews. And then also a lot of this vitriol for Blake lively or these clips and this intel and everything that's coming out has happened since Holden, as you pointed out, what happened with Justin Baldoni. Yes. So Justin Baldoni, there were all this stuff. Who, by the way, is, just remind you guys, he is the lead and the director of this movie. Which already gives me weird red flags.

Oh, you're the director and you cast yourself as the abuser. And the lead. I know. In a movie about domestic abuse from a women's point of view. It's a female narrator. So he's like, no, I'm going to make sure there's no male gays. Sorry, buddy, that's not how the male gaze works. You can't just like opt out of it.

Anyway, keep going. So stuff started coming out that there were like there's drama around the folks involved, you know, Blake Lively and Baldoni, are not like in pictures together on this press tour. They've like separated from each other. Also, Baldoni is separate from everyone in the cast. I think that is the most important fact going into what we're about to talk about. That is really the eye-opener for me. Someone did posit when I was talking about this in chat last night that, oh, well, maybe Blake lively.

I was like, because I was like, the only thing I could think of that would not put me more in Baldoni's favor is that people were like so afraid of upsetting Blake lively and what they could do to their career that they had decided with Blake lively. But I don't see a world in which that is true. but maybe I don't, maybe I'm underestimating the power of Ryan Reynolds and Blake Lively. Initially, right? Oh, actually, let's take it back a second. Initially reports were like, Ryan, Blake Lively brought Ryan Reynolds in,

and like that pissed the director off, and that's the drama. But the part were all- He came into direct scenes as like a guest husband, which is weird. So weird. Really, you're just going to bring your husband in to direct a scene?

And I get that. And I was like, oh, that's a little weird. And then everybody was team anti-Blake. Right. Then it was like, No, no, no, he's maybe the worst. And the cast is separated themselves as well, which I think is a very good point.

They have all unfollowed him. But then she also got her own editor to make her own version of the movie. And that cut one, right? Yes. Yeah, and that cut one. That's insane. It's very weird. Which not to be, not to say anything, because again, you know,

we're never going to know what's going on behind the scenes with all the stuff. But like, Baldoni did originally reach out to. Coho to say like, hey, I love this book. I'd love to option it into a movie. So it's like he was working with Coho this entire time before everything. So you would think that like, well, he's going to have the final say. It would make the most sense. Well, even if Coahoe had a final say, that would make more sense than Blake lively having a final say. It's not her book, you know. Even though they're all executive producers. Got it. But then it comes down to like the world of like which executive producer wins at the end.

Right. Is it the one that has the most money? Is it the one that has the most following? Is the one that has the most pull? Right. And if you're working with Ryan Reynolds in that, like how do you go up against the two of them? I would assume, again, assumptions.

Sure. Now, my thing is this. This is what really annoys me about this whole thing. And I'm glad I saw somebody tweeted about it. I didn't like come up with this on my end, but I was like, that seems legit. So Baldoni then hires Johnny Depp's crisis PR manager. Yeah.

Right. And all of a sudden, we're like, oh, wow, there's this interview just like magically surfaced of Blake Levy being a bitch to this interviewer. In 2016. Yeah, it is weird that's suddenly a 2016 Norwegian interview. And literally people are like, wow, I was Team Blake, but then after watching this interview, I am now very much hating her. And I am, that's me.

You're doing an impression of me because I was like, I don't understand why everybody's talking about Blake lively being canceled. And then I saw this video and I was like, wow, bitch. You know, so like if you had the reaction that Holden is describing, I get it. Because I just, and I had the objectionable. So reacted that way. I think she's such a bitch in that interview for sure. But I definitely had a different one where I just kept hearing about how awful this video is.

Oh my God, this interview, you're going to watch it. And she is the biggest bitch. You will ever see. I went into going like, all right, let me see the bitch. You thought she was just going to act. Fuck you. Back. I want to get pregnant.

I'm drunk. I thought it was going to be a word. This is how Norwegian sound. Let me make some clogs, you clog making bitch. We got crocs over here. We don't need clog. Clog. We got crocs.

I was ready for like the most cancelable bitch possible. So I watch it and I was like, okay, yes, yes, yes. She, they are being mean girl bitches. Yeah, they're mean girl on her for sure. And I also don't know if I necessarily agree with like it seems like she often does not like it when people comment when she is pregnant and sees it as something of like that is something that like only. you know, a female would receive and in that kind of like binary idea of thinking and I just find it so like,

I feel it would be one thing and maybe I'm completely off base here that like I feel like there are the celebrities not that they should have to hide when they're pregnant but I imagine if I was that huge of a celebrity and I got knocked up I'd probably hide for a while and just be like, I'm just gonna take my time if I don't want the PAPS in my family.

But she went out and announced every time that she publicly that she was pregnant. Now, I've never gone through a pregnancy before, but I would assume that if I publicly said that I was pregnant, I wouldn't mind someone bringing it up or congratulating me on my child in an interview. Yes. I was saying to you guys before we started recording, if you, if I was in an eighth grade debate class and I had to draw aside here, I could argue for both sides. Like, of course it makes sense that you get pissed off if someone comments on your body when you're pregnant. That makes sense. Sure. It happens all the time. Whatever. Like, in an interview when you know, like, you will know that the child is something that like, okay, well, it is something that you might. It's announced.

It's not like, it's not like the interviewer was like, oh, are you pregnant? Which is definitely. Fat of your baby. If you play fatty or baby, I want to be asked before. No, and that is... The answer is fatty. Absolutely. It is a faux pot.

And like, I have adopted the... Like, I will literally... Somebody, that baby has to be coming out for me to be like, are you pregnant? You know, like, I'm not gonna... I'm not gonna ask. I'm gonna let them talk about it because maybe they don't want to talk about it. They don't want to say, whatever. It's just so that is, it makes so...

Sure, if Blake lively was like, I can't believe you started the interview by congratulating me on my public pregnancy. I get... But then what I do... So I get the whole... comment on my bump thing, that's fine. But I don't think, maybe this is the Midwesterner in me, but I don't think that is an excuse to then be like, congratulations on your little bump to a non-pregnant person. That is an insane antisocial behavior.

That is so antisocial. I want to add this layer to this whole thing is I kind of always give everybody a like an inch in these interview, like press circuit interview situations because they're doing them all day. They do it all day. They're so vapid. It's like these five minute interviews that mean nothing and they get asked the same questions over and over again and they deal with like dickhead moron interviewers. I'm not calling this person a dickhead moron interviewer, but they're kind of, I think they're already like ready to be triggered or pissed off by a dumb question or comment or something because. Then take a chill pill, bro. Like I don't understand that. Even if you are, oh, I'm beleaguered, oh, I'm upset. You're

sitting there answering questions all day. Just do it. It's your job. Yes. I'm sorry. It is your job to have a polite conversation. Yes. If you're at a party, then it's different.

But this is your job. I just know that it's just like this ridiculous, relentless, shitty day of pointless conversations and you get a little fucking pissy, I think, after a while. Or maybe they were hangary or whatever. You know, whatever. I'm not going to offend. You know, she sucks in this interview. But at the same time, at the end of the day,

for me backing it up to the other thing. I just feel like it was definitely because of this Johnny Depp PR crisis manager that these videos are servicing. And everyone is just like falling for it whole hog and be like, thank you're a fucking bitch. Yes, that was my journey. Literally. I was like, oh, I guess she, last week I was like, I seems like people are kind of wondering if she's a bitch, but the jury's still out. And then very suddenly after this crisis PR firm came in, it's like, here's all this, all these, you know, deeply uncovered clips about what a bit she is. And I had totally not thought about the fact that this is the work of Baldoni's PR team. Hello, Ed Larson and Amber Nelson from the brighter side here to check in with you.

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it wasn't just the bump thing when she commented about, like, talking about a person's, like, pregnant body. It was multiple times of other interviews as well when people would bring up her pregnancy. But I feel if I was at the level of a Blake

lively and I didn't want to talk about shit like that, I'd make it very well known. Or I'd have my people make it very well known. Because if there's one that we know about, like let's talk about in the roasting world, celebrities have the opportunity and in any interview to talk about and write down things that they don't want to talk about. Yes, I thank you because I was like, I don't know. Not that everyone's going to listen to it. I mean, I'll throw that out there, but like for the most part they do. And it's not that like,

by having kids or being a person pregnant in public, you have to be up for other people's commentary. You don't. And it is really annoying. And it is weird. And people touch you and they say things and it's weird, weird, weird, weird. I also, though,

kind of feel like Blake lively's thing is like, I'm having all these kids and I'm pregnant and I want to talk about my family and I'm not working

because I'm a mom and I'm pregnant. So I feel like then to be like, this is something that is like a big thing about me and then somebody asks about it and you're like, shut the fuck up.

I'm a professional. It's like, just such a weird, I just feel like if somebody asked me about my pregnancy or my kids, if that's something that I talk about a lot publicly,

it makes sense. Right. I don't think it's inherently sexist. I think she's trying to have, and I'm not saying, again, just because you have four kids doesn't mean that's all anybody should see you as. But if it is a big part of her public persona that she has cultivated. Especially when it comes to like her home lines that she's trying to say. Right. This is another big issue with Blake lively right now.

While she is on these red carpets, trying to talk about the movie, it ends with us. She's not talking about it ends with us. She's not talking about support for people that have undergone domestic violence. She's talking about her hairline that she just dropped. And I'm not talking about her receding one. Uh-oh, bitchy thing to say. She doesn't have a receding hairline. I just thought that it would be a funny thing to say, I guess.

But she's pushing her hairline the entire time, rather than what Justin Baldoni is doing, who is openly discussing, like, where people can go to get help, showing people where they can donate to, to add their own support and advocating for people that a lot of people assumed Blake Lively was going to be doing while on these interviews. And she's not. And she also, I don't know if I included the interview where she was asked about, like,

how would you feel if someone came up to you? Thank you for bringing this up. And was, and asked you about, like, your experience in the movie because they had gone through something similar. And she's like, yeah. Oh, I guess I'd share. my location with them, huh? Because I'd give them my address, huh?

And I was like, wow. That pissed me off so much. It is like, did I hire you to be my servant? If not that I need you to live. This weird, like, I don't owe you anything attitude. It's like you are a professional actor doing a press interview about a movie about domestic violence. I don't owe them anything.

What the hell kind of response is that? And don't be a part of this project. Yes. This is where I'm at. This is where I'm at. Big overview. Coho's is, seems, appears to be a bad writer. If you get back to us on that.

Yeah, I'll report back next week. I'm sure I'll be done with it by next week. Well, we didn't even get into the whole coho and the like being embroiled in the whole takedown of the e-library. Yeah. That has all these textbooks for people that go to college that are able to like upload textbooks so you don't have to buy them, which how much money would you have saved if we had had a library like that that we could have gotten our textbooks.

Think of how many textbooks you purchased in college that you didn't even open. And a Coho fan. You didn't even get to. Something and a Coho fan ratted out that library. Is that what happened? But why is that? Why are we mad at Coho for that? I don't know.

It's very funny because that's why I wanted to explain it. Because the world that is against Coho is like, and then this bitch comes along and closes down the Z library. But really, Coho has nothing to do with it. It was a fan of hers that had her panties in a fucking twist because she decided that, like,

I'm assuming Coho books were also available on this Z library. But what are you going to close down the libraries? What are you going to burn down the hospitals? What is this person? You should be mad at that person. Don't be mad at Coho, but I do think it's funny that Book Talk is like,

And then this bitch. Yeah. Oh, baby. I also love it. They were like, it's like the modern day burning of the library of Alexandria. Which is ridiculous. So co-ho's maybe a bad writer.

Blake lively is a bitch. And this director, Baldoni, I just feel like something's going on because you don't hire a fucking PR crisis manager at the level of Johnny Depp level. And all the cast be like not for you. know what you mean? And none of them follow him either, by the way. They all follow each other. But that's a huge indicator. It really truly is. And no one's gone to bad for him.

So he's a, he's fucking suss as fuck as well. The whole thing is just a mess. I will say, a total mess. Even though I can't condone anything, obviously, obviously Baldoni is probably rough in a lot of ways. But the whole talk about talking about when he asked Blake lively how much she weighed and everyone was saying like baldoni asked her how much she weighed that asshole which you know i'm sure that they're probably and if you don't like somebody i can't imagine if someone i didn't like asked me how much i weighed it'd probably pop them in the face but she couldn't do that but the reason why he was asking was because he had to pick her up in a scene and he has back problems so i guess they were like talking to a physical therapist or something talking about how much she was asking about how much she was asking Wade and how much he could carry safely. And that is the one story that has come out that, again, I'm sure that this is a crisis manager being able to put a spin on something. But that was a story that came out about Baldoni.

Yes. Yeah. It is. It's like there is no winners as far as I can. Like there's no one that I'm rooting for. No, I don't want to hang out. Yeah. I don't want to hang out with any of them.

I don't want to be around any of them. Yes. All right, so are we going to watch this movie? I hate that I feel like I have to, but I don't want to. I certainly can't get anybody to go see it with me. I'll go see it with me. Yeah, when you get back into town or whatever. AMC Stubbs, because in my brain that that's not really giving money towards it

necessarily because it's just AMC Stubbs. Yeah, you guys should go. I'll get money to this stupid shit show. I don't care. I'll fund this idiotic, you know. I'll go see this stuff movie. I kind of just want to see it. Yeah.

I just want to see it just to be like, okay, that's, what all this kerfuffle is about? That's why I would have done about the book. I was like, I gotta know, you know. I understand. I feel like I'd be severely disappointed. A couple questions from MJ about Coho. Love this Coho thing, by the way.

I can say that all day. So much of your saying. First of all, do you have a, do you remember Verity at all? Oh, yeah. It seems like a crazy ass premise yet again coming from this author where someone's ghost writing a book for someone who's in a coma. Yeah. What?

What is while you were sleeping? meets what, sleepless in Seattle? Okay, so, Verity. While you were sleepless in Seattle. Why were you sleepless? Thank you. Verity, I've probably read some of her other books, too. This is, I just buy, I, I, but the books I was describing before making fun of, the, like, front window, you know, girl on a train, girl's gone missing.

Girl used to be good, now she's bad. Those are the only books I read. Yeah, Girl on a Train is great. Emily Blunt. But I've read all of these books. This is what I read. And so I was like, yeah, I'll read this fucking book. And then I was like, oh, I've already read one of this bitch.

just books. And Verity is like an unreliable narrator book. And so it's like, is it from the person in the coma's perspective? I want to be careful how I talk about it. It's basically like, is this a, is this a regular bitch or is this a real crazy bitch? Is the question. Oh, I love a good old regular or crazy bitch situation. Yes. And so, I mean, this is anybody who's read the book is like, MJ, you could do better than that. But it is like, Like a- Do better. Right now they're thinking, do better. Do better.

And they're typing it in an email right now. But yes, it's a kind of, as you're reading, you're like, I'm wondering who to trust. You know, it's that, it's that, it's that. But, you know, all of these, all of these books are about women on the edge. And is the woman, is the woman a bitch because it's a, because she's right? Because she's just a woman or because she's crazy. I love it. I love that that is the.

option regular woman or a normal crazy bitch because you know they're at their minimum yeah they're already crazy as shit thanks books you're not wrong yeah the question is kind of like what level of crazy bitch are we dealing with and you don't know because of the literary genres keeping you in the questioning so i enjoyed the book i read it very quickly um but that's the type of you know it's just it's not i don't think that we are going to be doing a deep literary analysis of it that's fine. That doesn't mean it's not a good book. But you don't have a memory of it being like, this was dog shit or this was very good. It was just, I mean, I didn't really remember.

Well, this is the problem because I read these types of books. And I don't talk about them with anyone. I read them alone. And then I don't go on book talk. And so I finish it. And I'm like, Bad Bich Book Club. Is it happening? I don't know.

Because I finish a book and then I'm like, I don't know what I think about that, especially Verity, because it has this big, you know, this big, like, reveal. And we'll also say, I'm not going to start reading Coho in Jackie's Book Club. I know y'all are thinking it. I'm not doing it. I would love to hear from somebody who feels strongly about Coho because my memory of reading Verity is what I feel like about a lot of these. But when I read Gone Girl, when I read Girl on the train, I finish it.

I'm like, that was interesting. It was a page turner. And I don't really know if it was like really good or if it was just kind of like trashy good, but I enjoyed reading it. That's how I felt about Verity. My other question is how far into it ends with us are you? I'd still like chapter two. So not enough to even really get any kind of sense.

of it being good or bad. No, just that it has a female, at least it's starting with a female, you know, narrator, female protagonist, which is why I just think it's very funny that Justin Baldone was like, no, no, I did a female gaze instead of a male gaze. And I'm like, good, because it is from the point of view of a woman. So it is good that you tried to have it be from the point of view of a woman. But I don't know, I feel like with, even with Gone Girl, a lot of these books take on these housewife murder mysteries often about, you know, the stakes, because it's a family relationship drama,

the stakes are often having to do with whatever is going on between the husband and the wife. And I don't think that these books will handle it well. The husband's secret, man, I just kind of want to re-read the husband's secret. The husband's secret is a great book. The secret is he's gay. I don't know. It's the secret that he's great. You don't even understand.

I don't know what is secret. You have no idea. Oh, yeah. The husband is a secret. I want to know what I mean? I feel like a lot of these books, and I'm not saying this even in a judgmental way, but I think a lot of these books use, you're not reading it for the politics of how it talks about domestic abuse. It's using bad husband as a literary tool, you know, as a storytelling tool. So I don't really have had enough. I will always think about that J-Lo movie enough because I remember seeing it in the movie theater and yelling, she has had a lot. Yeah. Because she's had enough. There you go.

I will be able to weigh in next week if it's a good, if it's at least does well by, because even Gone Girl, when I was reading Gone Girl, I was like, this makes me kind of uncomfortable, you know, like. I read Gone Girl and I really liked Gong Girl. I really liked it too. Yes. But, you know, I think, you know, I think that the whole. Slurp it up too.

These books, you just slurs them. Well, they're beach reads. Yeah. They are beaches. They are not elevated. They are supposed to be. But Beach reads get a really bad rep And I think it's sad

Because there is a world Where Beach reads are needed Absolutely, they're great Bitch reads, am I right? They are bitch reads, I love my bitch reads. Again, it's all I read And I'm not reading it for the like Right

You know, if you're reading a murder mystery And you're like, is murder depicted in a respectful way here? You know, that's just not what we're looking for We're looking for drama and, you know, mystery and intrigue or whatever. But also, of course, when you are now entering the realm of a huge blockbuster movie with really famous people in it, you want to make

sure that you are doing a depiction of something so sensitive well. And I think that that is a tricky transition to make from a beach read to a movie that then Blake lively has to do pressers about. But it is nonetheless your job if you are in a movie about domestic abuse to make sure you can at least talk about it without signing like a fucking B word about domestic abuse. That's why it's inherently messy is that there's a film based on a beach read about domestic abuse. Yeah. That's so messy.

Just completely, I remember we first, remember we brought this up to talk about this, like, before any of this mess happened, by the way. Also, and I do want to give a quick shout out to Emily. Emily wrote in. Emily Blunt. Emily Blunt. She wrote it to be like, good on the train. It's a very good book, and it's a very good movie.

No, he wasn't Coho in disguise. Coho just wearing a big trench coat up over her head. I don't think it's co-oh. This is like, this is Coho in the plot of a Coho book, by the way. That's what you're describing. No, I know it would do that. I know it's not Coho because they provided an actual accurate review. And I do appreciate that.

That like a large issue with it is that they don't really take the subject matter seriously. Yeah. It's marketed as a romance rather than being just a drama or something else. Yeah, it's a mess. Yeah, it's a mess. Yeah. Not that a romance can't be. you know, I guess I don't know if she falls in love with somebody else.

I'm hoping she falls in love with somebody else. Just because you want to get spit on doesn't mean that you can write a beat treat about about domestic diverse. It's different. Everybody, but I will also say, Emily does say that it is not well written. That's good. And I think that's important to bring up. Because I do feel like there was a ton of discourse around Big Little Lies, right?

And Big Little Lies had a very difficult job, which was to be a show. with a bunch of sexy ladies having a fun, sexy time together, and then also have this really intense depiction of domestic abuse. But then also, like, I don't know, I feel like I read a lot at the time of people being like, this is a really good, the stuff between Nicole Kim and Alexander Scarsguard, I read people being like, they did a really good job of not making it black and white, like, meaning it was a really sexy relationship. And you found yourself kind of wanting them to fight, to make up.

and you were kind of reading for them. I had to talk about it in therapy. Yes. I also watched it with some people who were like, this is actually really bringing up a lot for me in terms of past relationships. Yes. And I think that it did a really good job of not, of course, not glorifying anything about it, but also not making it just like a PSA. Like obviously domestic abuse is bad and all. And you know what I mean? It did a really, the storytelling, I think, was of such a high quality that it was able to do this thing where it was like, I'm having all these really weird feelings about Nicole Kidman and Alexander Scar's Guard. I know that this is a really upsetting relationship and also it's bringing up a lot. And I don't know if I trust Koho to do that with this type of subject matter.

Well, that's exactly what Emily was saying. They have a friend. They said, a good friend of mine reviles it because she is a survivor of familial domestic abuse. And I see where she's coming from. The one thing I'll give the book is that if you were a reader with truly no concept of how domestic abuse happens, this could be an eye-opening book for you. Emily, I really appreciate your write-up of this book.

And I appreciate it as well because they came in saying, if I'm going to mock this book, I'm going to read it first. And I appreciate your time. There you go. That's, yeah. And that was how I feel too. But it is,

I do think that there are, I think a lot of this type of thing, a book like this, is doing a kind of 101, right? So it makes sense that it's like, if you've never thought about domestic abuse before, here is like a really basic portrayal of it, but also then again, translating, so that's fine in just a book, but then having it be this national conversation.

It's like the movie crash for racism. You know what I mean? Oh, yeah. Right. Like if this is just the beginning, like it's not necessarily bad to have an extremely simple conversation about such a complex topic, but it is, whoever is part of it just needs to be ready to take on the topic with some respect. And I think that that's the problem with Blake lively being like, I don't want to talk to people. Yeah. Is fine and good if you're a

celebrity and you're talking about whatever. But it's not fine and good if you're doing a press tour for a movie that is exclusively about a domestic abuse relationship. And yet, we do have someone that did write in and I want to say thank you so much for writing in talking about, I don't know if I don't want to docks you, talking about how they work in the art department and that Blake lively while on set was only wonderful to them. I learned all of their names. I'm glad to hear that. Gave them all nicknames and like asked if they consented to be called their nicknames, showed them around

their house. It was like in like she and Ryan Reynolds home and gave them a tour of the house and was very open and wonderful to them. And paid for it. He said, we only have. had a small budget and she cooperated with what we had and paid for the craft services table. So I will, I do want to, I want to sprinkle in that, like, we did also get, and that we got multiple emails talking from people saying that, like, I also would like to say some positive

things about Blake lively. So I'm just throwing it out there. Absolutely. I'm being the devil's advocate. And Jackie sent a great article that was in Slate by somebody named Heather Schweddle, a writer I don't know, but who said, like, I've hated Blake lively, but since before it was cool. But she was basically like, people love to hate a woman and people love to have a pile on about a woman and what a bitch this woman is. And that's what's happening to Blake lively right now. And I think

that holding this point about this, you know, happening after the crisis manager came in is a great one. But so I do think that it's, I think we can hold all these things, you know, true at the same time, that she's really biffing it on the public stuff about this. And also she might be, that doesn't mean she deserves the pile on that's happening. She might be a great person and impersonal. It also doesn't mean she's not a mean girl. Yeah. That's the thing. Can we just say that? So that gives her 100 million points right there. She's good for Trey.

And I think Tays is a great judge of character, okay? But also, I think that that is part of how people... I love you, Taylor, if you're listening. I'm sorry, I just had to get that out there. I think the way people... I'm sure she's listening. I think the way people hate Tay, some people, some people have very good reasons for hating Tay.

Some people hate Tate. Some people hate Tate in a way that is similar to the way people might just hate Blake Lively, And it's not informed on, you know, I think there is a way that people are like, I think that sometimes there is, there is, somebody has, there's this been written about. But like, sometimes there's a thing where it's like white women, am I right? But it's like said in a sexist way, not in a woke way. I will say we are quite a hand.

And like white women perpetuate lots of, you know, not good things based on white privilege in a big way. and naming that is very, very helpful. And then sometimes, like, white men will be like, white women, am I right? And then you're like, wait a minute now. You know what I mean? All right, yeah, let's not. I think there is just sometimes a way that we can be very correctly and fairly annoyed with a person kind of based on their vibe, like Blake lively's vibe. And then also sometimes that annoyance is also fueled by misogyny, if that makes sense.

I just love her. Can we just for a moment, acknowledge how. You want to talk about Taylor Swift. And I know where you want to go next. And I'm not in the news. I'm not giving it to you. We're talking about the astronauts. The astronauts are stuck in outer space.

Yes. We're talking about Taylor Swift and Donald Trump and the leftovers, I think. We'll get it to it. Come hang out with us over on patreon.com slash page seven podcast because I want to talk about the astronauts that are trapped in space. This is crazy. Commander Barry Wilmore and pilot Sunito Williams. They are trapped on the ISS in outer space.

And why is not, am I? the only person that I'm like, but what about the astronauts? Why is everyone not only thinking about the astronauts? Sure, they're stuck there. I love that NASA's just like, they're loving it up there. I love all the press.

I can speak for them. They're having a great time. They wish they could stay longer. I mean, I don't even know why you guys are upset. Everyone was worried about the people in that submarine, but maybe because they were in more imminent danger, obviously. I did want to say we went from this year's, don't worry, darling, to this year's submarine story.

I guess. It's really weird. This, except this is so upsetting because they didn't do anything wrong. If you don't know anything about the astronauts that are trapped in space. The submarine people, it was their own fault. Yeah, I mean, they, I feel like they knew they were cut in some corners. And yes, I did watch a couple of video essays about it to learn a little bit more about what they thought before getting into that submarine.

And it was dicey at best. Anyway, Commander Barry Wilmore and pilot Sunito Williams, they thought they were going to space for eight days. They might now be trapped in space until 2025. Oh, my God. This is not that, all right, let's be real here. I don't even think if given the opportunity, I don't know if I'd go to space.

I know we've talked about this on here before. I would not. I don't think I could handle it. No, I would not. Why would I do that? My anxiety is enough and I'm just standing here on the earth. and the fact that they're living in horrible conditions. Really?

This is not just like, oh, they're on a yacht in space. No, there's no shower, MJ. Yeah, they were already, like, really cooped up in this thing because it was just supposed to be this short stay. Yes. And there were already, like, people on the ship. They don't have enough, like, beds for everybody. Yes.

But they were like, oh, you know, it's kind of like a sleepover. It's like, oh, well, you'll make do on the couch. It's eight days. We can handle it. We can handle it. And then it's like, no, no, no. And the craziest part is you said they might be there until 20, 25. The crazy part to me is that But they might be home soon

But if whatever doesn't work out for them In the next few days or whatever it is They have to wait an entire six months Is that because of like the orbit or something I mean I'm not even going to pretend to know I'm assuming it's because you have to wait for the Fucking Earth to spin back around Or something like that

Because for some reason And again I don't know a lot about space science But for some reason they can get supplies to the station in the next month or so. So they're going to be sending them more supplies, but they can't send them a carrier ship to bring them home because what brought them there had some sort of leakage that they could not make it back.

You know, I'd like to say, by the way, I know a lot about space science, so I'm just kind of surprised you're not. I forgot. Yeah, I forgot. I should have hit up aeronautic space engineer, Holden McNeely, and ask him, how do we get those astronauts back?

It's like when you miss your exit, but there is not another exit for 30 miles. Yes. It's crazy to me that it's like, you might get out soon or six months. That's fucking so insane. That would go crazy. What I really lost myself in a worm time reading about

is which makes a lot of sense when it comes to your brain and what it does with time. Think about it. You're waiting for something. you're expecting something to happen. You have an anxiety. You have a heaviness. It fucks with your brain.

And the fact that they don't know when they will be back is going to fuck with their brain so much, especially if it is extended until 2025, on top of the living conditions, on top of the fact that like your chances apparently like the longer you're in space, like your chances for like. cancers go up, your chances for osteoporosis goes up, your chances for like, all this other shit is like compounded, compounded, compounded. So it's going to be so difficult for them to come back from also like being in, I'm assuming, a non-gravity-esque space. I don't even know what happens with all of that shit. Because again, space science, I just know that the idea of this is so scared. Oh, my God.

And I can't. Remember that movie? Remember that movie you talked about where they're just like in a space? Onyara! Yeah. The movie Onyara, which to me is still one of the scariest sci-fi movies where they are on a ship. It is supposed to be going from Earth to Mars. It's just supposed to be like a cruise ship kind of thing going back and forth in the future.

They get hit by an asteroid belt or something. They get knocked off their course. The asteroid hits their gas so they have to lose all of their gas. So they are now going completely in the... another uncharted direction, and they cannot turn around until they find another planet to get into their orbit to slingshot around and come back. Oniara, it's so good. Can you believe that Blake lively is overshadowing this astronauts?

The astronauts are trapped in space. Nobody cares. Everyone's talking about Blake Lightley and florals and Parker Posey. By the way, I love how Parker Posey gets a bit. pass because everyone collectively refuses to dislike Parker Posey. Yeah, nobody wants to call her a bitch. Although people accused her of being like a co-bitch. She kind of was in that video.

I don't care. By the way, did you see how I just brought us back to the Blake Lively story? That's a metaphor or essentially a one-d-one. You would say about the astronauts and everyone's being literary. The people that are talking about the astronauts are like, don't worry, they're used to long periods of time of being upset, essentially. Like, every article is like, don't worry, we stick them in Antarctica and then they can't leave for a year. It's like, what is happening to society? I love that. I forget what the exact quote is, but not the press conference for it. They're just like, they're loving it. They wish they

stay longer. Love it up there. They're fine. I don't worry. I don't think that's true at all. No. No. No. It's nowhere to sleep. What I picture of being in space, I just picture having a headache. Yeah. Like being dehydrated and grubby. Like when you've been in the car, for too long. Oh my God. Can you imagine being with M.J. in a space shuttle in space? You don't even want to think about it. Yeah.

I don't even want to think about it. You would be terrible. Can you imagine being trapped with me in space shuttle? Can you? With no shower and no place to properly sleep. Jackie would be pacing and I would be just curled up in a ball going. And I'd be like talking about eras. You guys would be like, I don't care about errors.

Shut up. Shut up. Holden. Shut up, hold it. I'm like, but she changed the set again. She added a couple songs. Uh, yeah, it'd be awful. Honestly, if you want to see what would happen to the three of us, watch the movie Oniara.

There you go. Again, it is only if you like sci-fi, though. It is a very sci-fi movie. Well, I don't know if I like sci-fis, but I do like conspiracies. Hit me with the share. Do you have to shit in the bag? Do you believe it? For a second, I thought you said you had to shit in a bag.

Yeah, Holden. Now you're the astronaut. You fucking animal. Go shit in a bag, you astronaut. Is Alada Del Rey a war. Woman cursing witch. Oh. This one comes in from a beloved chat member over on Twitch who writes,

What's up, guys? It's Elton, aka Casey Cripted. Coming in with a conspiracy. What up, babe. Coming in with a conspiracy, I've been following for a few years. Did Lana Del Rey curse several women in 2020? You may remember. Sadness.

Is she cursing them with summertime sadness? Maybe. I'm cursed with it. You may write, I need this heat to end. I need the heat to end. I'll stop complaining about the weather, but I need the heat tent. You may remember that in May 2020, Lana Del Rey posted an infamous open letter, quote,

to the culture on Instagram. And I vaguely remember this, but anyways... No one remember. Is that anything from May 2020? Let's be real. I know. Seriously. It begins with now that Doja Cat, Ariana, Camilla, Cardi B, Kalani, and Nikki Minaj and Beyonce have had number ones

with songs about being sexy, wearing clothes, wearing no clothes, fucking cheating, etc. Can I please go back to singing about being embodied, feeling beautiful by being in love, even if the relationship is not perfect or dancing for money or whatever I want without being crucified or saying that I'm glamorizing abuse? She's referencing, of course, the fact that she writes lyrics like, he hit me and it felt like a kiss from her song, Ultraviolence, which some say glamorizes domestic abuse. There's a ton of which interesting theme today.

There's a ton of bullshit in this open letter, and I don't want to waste your time with it, but read it if you want. And they did attach it. You can look it up. I don't have the link on me, but it's, you can't, I wouldn't even suggest reading it right now. I'm reading it. I'm reading it. Is this one of the reasons why people have such complicated feelings about Lana Del Rey?

Maybe, yeah. I remember it kind of, it's been, she's really, I feel like, become very beloved over the past couple years, especially. Is that just because of her alliance with Tay, though? Maybe. Depend to who you ask. I don't know, but I love Tay. She's like a Blake Leslie in the sense that you'll hear five different opinions about Lana Del Rey.

Yeah. If you ask five people. I love her most recent album. I think it's fucking awesome. I like her, I like, if the music's good, I'm down. You know what I mean? Whatever. Anyways, later in the letter, she writes, let's be clear, I'm not a feminist.

And then wonders why, quote, women like her, quote, are not included in feminist spaces. I can only assume she means women who call out several other women in open letter social media. So what's the conspiracy? In a bizarre domino effect, over the last four years, every one of the women she mentioned have suffered some sort of social downfall. Doja Cat. Everyone hates her now for dating a badman in Cellman and saying she hates her fans or whatever. Oriana. Well, I mean, I'll read this, but also, come on. You know what I mean? She's whatever. We all know, but short marriage into divorce. So, accompanying big scandal with Mr. SpongeBob, Cardi B, a lot. She's got stuff every week, but it's mostly court cases and assault charges.

She be fighting. Also, she and offset have had issues. And also, she's, I mean, I guess I shouldn't say congrats on the pregnancy car. So there's something we've learned. There you go. She's had issues over the past few years. She just announced not for the first time they're getting divorced. I never even bring it up because they just announced divorce every other week. Beyonce, maybe she's next.

Whoa. I don't know. I'm just, I don't, that's the only one that's like, ah, we'll move past it. Camilla Cabello, though, racism, lack of original thought and bad hair. This is all Casey Cryptos, by the way. But I might agree, but I don't know if I agree. She's one of those bad racist and xenophobic posts on her Tumblr artists. Like, they're digging up old stuff, in other words.

She's the N-word-imposed. She's since apologized for these things. Her latest persona is very cringy. She is not apologized for stealing so much for album concept from Charlie X-E-X or for having such bad hair when her last name is literally hair in Spanish. I didn't even know that. Okay, those last two points are my personal opinions. This is right.

It's case he crypted. Nikki, this is another a lot one, but of course, sexual predators and immediate family sticks by them, way out of line in the beef with Megan the Stallion, all that stuff. It's a fucking mess. And Kalani is the saddest, most recent, tragic loss.

Kalani posted a photo with Chris Brown, which he then posts on his Insta with a captioned Twin Heart. I saw that actually before I saw this. And yeah, I hate it. I'm so annoyed. I hate it. He's like,

I just hate it. I just hate it. I don't get it. Can we just? He's the worst and he hasn't stopped being the worst. He keeps doing. Why? Stop listening.

I don't think anyone that's listening to us is listening to Chris Brown, I would assume. But fucking what is the, everyone's brought like, no, it's confusing too because Chris Brown has it. There was an article about this years ago about how much, how, how the dog ring guy, Michael Vick, got more hate than Chris Brown. And Michael Vick has like really repented, but is still very like, apologized, I think did time. and is still very persona non grata. But Chris Brown has not. I think that that Chris Brown is like the biggest example of somebody who has been, like I'm not against people being rehabilitated if they own up to their mistakes, right?

I agree. And he's done nothing. And he keeps doing, he keeps getting in like trouble because of assault and stuff on other, on people. Right. And so it's so. Right. It's so weird that Chris Brown that, yeah, this article that I'm, I, this is many years ago,

but the article was like, people are less ready to forgive a person who abuse humans than they are ready to forgive a person who abused dogs. Like Michael Vick has had less and has been able to rehabilitate himself less than Chris Brown with much more like repentance and apology and stuff. And it really stuck with me because it's like, yeah, I just kind of was like, well, Chris Brown must have like really owed up to that. I mean, Chris Brown did write an apology song to Rihanna. You know what, guys? Wow. And probably, yeah, made a bunch of money off of it. Yeah. What a fuck head.

Anyways, I just can't believe that guy still exists. So, yes, I'm very sad about the Kalani thing. Anyways, I totally think Lana's a witch and she's taking out industry women because she's not a feminist. Thanks for rocking with me, guys. Love you and love this community. Oh, Elton. Interesting. This is a fun conspiracy.

This is a fun conspiracy. Especially, like, I have to admit that, yeah, Lana Del Rey has been, is a pretty big blind spot for me in terms of why people have such strong feelings about Lana Dahl. I'm really annoyed by the phrase question for the culture, by the way. I just think that this is, I did not recognize this at the time. I did not register. Yeah, no, again, there was a lot going on. I think writing, I think Argy will be writing this letter in May 2020 is itself a bit tone deaf. It is. This makes me feel a lot towards her that I didn't feel before, I will say. You know, in May 2020 in New York, like, we were trying to figure out whether we were going to have to have, like, mass graves in Central Park.

So I really don't think I was, I mean, following. Yeah, we were just crying every day. I really, even in the celebrity gossip world, I'm pretty sure if you go back and listen to those page sevens, it's just us crying through the episodes. It's just a weird. But, but, yeah, I mean, I feel like people do love, love, love, love, la D'Ores. But they also, you're right, hate, hate, hate. Lana Del Rey. I also have heard, but I never really researched into why.

And you know what's going to happen now? As soon as we release this episode, she's going to be like, she was bad all along. She's in a movie about drowning dogs, and she keeps talking about how it's a funny romp and then you should take your... And the dogs kept dying and I get laughing and laughing and laughing.

It is going to be abundantly clear where we should stand on Lana Del Rey by the time this episode comes out. so apologies for us not knowing. I do think your last album's very good. So check that out too. All right. All right.

Well, that's what I believe. I believe. Yeah. That's what I can see her being a powerful witch and especially after. All those women are cursed except for Beyonce. So I hope that Beyonce can evade. Who knows? And who knows what the week will hold.

I mean, we are still in the thick of bitcher grade and we just had the super blue moon. And so that's a lot. There's a lot of shit going on. Be careful. Don't. Don't upend your life right now, guys. It's really hectic in the world of energy right now. But a lot of people don't care about that.

But I guess they do care about the list. Oh, who's on the list? Jackie, got to have that list. I found this list, Holden, when you were going through your rom-com phase. And I was thinking about kind of bumping up my rom-coms in life as well. Now, these are behind-the-scenes stories from iconic rom-com. and they are ridiculously adorable. Did you know, oh, Gina Rollins,

I think it's also because Gina Rolland died this week. The Notebook is based on a real couple. Yes, IRL, Noah and Allie were inspired by author Nicholas Sparks's wife's grandparents, according to the author. Quote, The Notebook was inspired by my wife's grandparents, two wonderful people who spent over 60 years together. Sparks wrote on the website, the author said that he and his wife surprised her grandparents

with a visit the day after they got married since they were unable to attend the wedding. Quote, it was then they told us the story of how they met and fell in love, parts of which eventually made their way into the notebook. Do you guys like the notebook? Love.

Love. I need to rewatch the note. No, I haven't seen it. I've never seen it. I was genuinely curious. I haven't seen it since it came out and I think that I was still in a slight haterade phase at that point.

Okay. But I love young Ryan Gosling and I love, what's her name? Is that Amy Adams, right? I always mix her up with the other Amy. Rachel McAdams. Rachel McAdams, not the other Amy, the other Adams. Understandable why you would confuse the two.

No, you're all good. I should watch it. I think the one also stopped me is like three hours long, isn't it? Oh, is it? It's super, I didn't know it was super. No, I don't think it's that. Is it that long? No, doesn't it have a reputation?

I don't know. The amount of times I've watched it, I would be surprised if it was that long. I think you're thinking of, it's two hours long. I think you're thinking of the English, patient of jail. All right. Well, I'm talking out of my ass here. Sorry, but also Nicholas Sparks went on to say, though their story was wonderful, what I most remember from that day is the way they were treating each other, the way his eyes shined when he looked at her, the way he held her hand, the way he got her tea and took care of her. I just, what is it? Maybe I'm in a crying place, or I bitch are great.

I'm happy for you. Don't look at me, bitch or great. People love the notebook, and I trust people. I think that it's probably a good movie. People love that movie. It's not about domestic abuse, so I'm already in for that. You know what I mean? That is nice, isn't it? But there, you know, there's other topics sprinkled in, but they didn't have to worry. No one got ripped apart during the notebook. At least I don't think.

Although I do know that Ryan Gosling and Rachel McAdams didn't get along at first. Oh, really? Dude, did you see them accepting the MTV Movie Award for Best Kiss? Have you seen that? Yes. It's so hot. Oh, have I seen it? This was around the time period when I just,

I was the hornyest, but I also, secretly, this is, like, this was my secret love, love time. So I would watch the notebook and I love the notebook in secret and nobody else was allowed to talk. My good friends knew that I love the notebook, but nobody else knew that I love the notebook. Yeah. Yes. Because it was like the early 2000s. It was still kind of a time, I think, where it was like cool to roll your eyes at rom-coms. But then it seemed like this, the notebook came out and everyone was like, this is the best rom-com.

her maze. They get up on stage and they're on the opposite ends of the stage and they kind of rev up for it. And then they run and meet each other in the middle. She jumps up on it. And they make out so steamy hot. It's great. Like I'm like, how are they not like actually fucking in real life at this?

Like it is so, so steamy. Okay. Someone posted on like Reddit or something recently and I was like, die. Mama me. Honestly, I know we're in the middle of the list, but that was. Jackie, kind of how I felt about that, the unreleased clip of Glenn Powell kissing. Boring girl. It was hot.

What they took from us. Real quick, yeah, because I know that we talked about that a couple. I think we had brought it up. I know at least it was an article that I included that I think it was Steven Spielberg that had offered, like, maybe take the kiss out in the end. So they shot two different endings for the movie Twisters, one where they kissed and one where they didn't. So there was this behind the scenes footage that this. This falls into the list.

This is a perfect addition to the list. They show a clip of Glenn Powell and What's Her Bitch kissing, Daisy, Edgar Jones, and they're kissing. I just call her other Dakota Johnson or whatever. Daisy Edgar Jones. What's her bitch, man, they start kissing and mama me. It's hot. Bobo, Bobo, I'm in jobbo. I needed it and I want it and I have to have it and we're never going to get it.

Yeah. Now, this is nothing to do with kissing. This has to do with making children. Not a traditional rom-com by some standards, but an absolute standout in my book. Do you know the sweet reason Maya Rudolph wore a belt around her waist in so many bridesmaid scenes? While filming, she was expecting her third child with longtime partner Paul Thomas Anderson. The belts, though, in style at the time, were used specifically to hide her growing bump, which you can see when she was. She was ready to pop by the time the premiere rolled around in the photo provided. Come on. I feel like in my brain a belt ain't gone to do it, but I guess a belt did do it. Especially with your third child.

Everyone says you show more and more and earlier and earlier the more subsequent pregnancies. So those belts got to be big. I got a strap her in. Now, this is one of my favorite rom-coms. There's something incredibly sweet about actors who go above and beyond to invest in a role, especially when that role is one of the most beloved Rom-com characters of the 1990s. That's right, in order to appear as authentic as possible,

Meg Ryan worked in an actual children's bookstore to prepare for her role, and you've got mailed. Okay. Is it this a little bit like when... Was it Lana Del Rey who worked at Waffle House? Yes, it is. It is a little bit like that. But she is the owner of a beloved children's bookstore,

so I'm happy that she did it. And I believe, if I remember correctly reading about this movie, that she was working with the owners of the bookshop who also had another bookstore that had been there for generations. So she was trying to get into that, how that headspace of how she would feel getting closed down by a big bookstore. Gotcha. But also it's really cute. She got her first computer when she did that movie. So the company gave them computers so she could have her first, you've got mail while shooting.

You've Got Mail. That's really cute. We're just talking about Meg Ryan's son recently, and I was like, this is so nice. What a nice family, you know? Yeah, you know, they're kind of cute. He's like, yeah, I'm a bit of a Nepo baby. I love my parents. I'm like, yeah, buddy.

That's right. Yeah, good. Hell yeah. Good for you. Oh, yeah. I kind of forget completely that Renee Zellweger is southern and not British because of Bridget Jones's diary. And I wasn't the only one. The native Texan went so deep.

into her accent work for the film that the entire cast and crew had no idea what her true twang sounded like until after they rapped. Oh, wow. Quote, that's when I first heard her talking in Texan, the rap party, and it was real shock, co-star Sally Phillips told Cosmopolitan. That's really funny. Those are movies that I'll bet I would rewatch them. I'll bet they don't hold up.

I feel like they don't hold up, but I wonder if it's not hold up in the way where I still, because I watched them right when they first come out, never watched them, But I do wonder if it's also like love actually kind of situation where I'm upset at the like, the chubby guys, and multiple other creepy things of love actually, but I still watch it every year. That's the thing. I do wonder if I wouldn't care. I think there's a lot of things from the 90s where we can be like, wow, this part didn't age well. And I still might enjoy watching it for the general experience.

And certainly the entire premise of Bridget Jones' diary not going to age well in terms of the just relentless fat shaming. But also, I feel like she was everyone's first example of like a quirky romantic lead. And people loved her for that. So maybe it would still be fun to rewatch. Now, here's the thing. I love rom-coms from the 90s, almost specifically, 80s and 90s and OOs. That's where my obsession became. But I never saw Breakfast at Tiffany's, even though I know it is a classic forever.

I don't know if is it a rom-com or is it just a rom-ohs. I feel like it's the initial, yeah, oh yeah, because they're both funny. So I think it's like kind of the held up as like the original rom-com. Now, we are actually talking about the movie Sweet Home Alabama, which I did watch a lot. So since we're already talking about Sweet Home Alabama, the kissing in the rain, happy ending mirrors, that of another classic rom-com, Breakfast at Tiffany's. But that romantic vignette isn't the only link the two movies share. Despite being filmed decades apart, Sweet Home Alabama was the first production to shoot in the New York City Tiffany and co-store since the

1961 classic starring Audrey Hepburn as Holly go lightly. The scene in question sees Reese's character proposed to inside inside of, oh no, that's that part. I was like, wait, or what are they giving away? They're not giving away. The scene in question sees Reese's character proposed to inside of the iconic Tiffany's location before picking out whichever ring she wants in the entire store. Uh-huh. Because she's a rich bit. I wish breakfast

Tiffany is almost so holds up, but there's just a very racist, you know, portrayals. Yeah. But the rest of it does? But if you get, if you can stomach that, I think it's such a good. How much, if you remember, how much of the movie is the racist? Or is it like a scene or is it a ton, but it's enough to be like, but it's most, yeah, if you can, I wish they would like release a cut with, I don't know how you would do with those. I think he's integral to the park.

I know. But it's so good. I love breakfast activities. I love the ending is so good. The performances other than that one is so good. You know I love love. Yeah, you should watch it. You should watch it if you could, if you could, you know,

handle the one dated. Now, this also came because we were talking about forgetting Sarah Marshall last week. Last but not least, there's a surprisingly real reason behind the hilarious and a hem, full frontal nude opening scene from forgetting Sarah Marshall. It was inspired by Jason Siegel's actual love.

life, as the actor told NPR he once got dumped while fully nude. But that's only part of the reason Siegel decided to drop Trow for the film. The idea to include this scene in the film was actually fueled by Siegel's dislike of traditional rom-coms. Quote, I hate romantic comedies for the reason that you always know how it's going to end, he said. I thought as a viewer, if in the very first scene of the movie, your lead actor is suddenly full frontal, you know, naked, you're forced to sort of throw out your expectations and sit back and say, I don't know what's going to happen in this movie, you know? That's fair.

I think that works in that movie. I think it works. I want to rewatch that movie still. That's a good thing. I do want to say, I appreciate whoever wrote in because we were asking last week of forgetting Sarah Marshall holds up. And I do want to say thank you for reminding us about the nudity up top as well as the nudity later on in the film.

Just to remind people just so you don't get shocked by it. like Jason's Eagles, wondering. That's my list. Well, maybe you'll get shocked by the fact that I can't see. I think I'm going. Blime! My items! Oh, we can't see them.

This is a fun one. The spooky season, I'm calling it right now. It begins. I'm done. I'm over it. I know we still got some August. I already started Summerween. We got Summerween.

It's fine. The owners of this movie house that is not now for sale don't want anyone to know about the hauntings inside it. Specifically, there is one room they have not entered in decades. Oh. It's a movie, a scary movie that features a house heavily. Amityville horror. No. Shining.

No. That's a hotel. But similar time period is... The Exorcist. No. The house is an haunted of the exorcist. Feeling good though. Feeling starting...

House? No. Housoo? No. It involves a family and a... Poltergeist! Yes. Isn't that cool?

The house of the movie is for sale. for the first time in 45 years. That's what I'm saying, Jackie. You and Jeff, it's time. You moved the great zones, but you didn't move the bodies. It's time. You and Jeff, you guys need to just, I don't care what you got to do. Sell all your assets.

I gotta get in this house. What a life. How do I get this house? It's in Simi Valley. I don't know if I can handle it, dude. I don't think I can roll with this. It's in Simi Valley and according to stupid TMZ, it, quote, boasts a 16,000 square foot lot with four bedrooms,

2.5 bathrooms, a large swimming pool, and a jacuzzi. the asking price is currently $1.174 million. And I love in the listing, they're like, I forgot exactly what they wrote up, but they're just like, and by the way, it's definitely not haunted. Don't even worry about that. It's totally haunted.

What are you talking about? That seems to be a pretty low price, to be honest. I think that is a price that takes into account the fact that it might be haunted. It certainly does. That house would be worth a lot more, even in Simi Valley. I feel like especially in Simi Valley. You and Jeff, man.

You got to nab this thing off the market, bro. I need it. We're starting to go fund me. I don't care. We're getting you guys in this house. I have to have. I need to live in a spooky house. Come on, guys.

We can raise the $1.7, what, $4 million? Yeah, exactly. I try to do it myself, but I do have a young blonde daughter and there's no fucking way. I'm moving her into that house. You're here. Oh, my God. I need to teach that to win. When he's just sliding across the floor.

Across the floor. Let's do it. Yeah, it's just. sliding across the floor, talking to the TV. You're ripping your skin off your bones. Yeah, man. Oh, my God. All right, next one.

This group, named after an airplane, really need to make this their real final tour. They actively loathe each other, and the only thing they loathe more than each other are the fans. It's awful. Wow. They're old and they're bad, or sort of.

Jefferson Airplane. No. It's a very short name. It's a short name, and it's a plane name. I feel like people have really turned on. on this band over the time. They're very milk toast. They're very like what,

you know what I mean? But people love them or whatever. Henry doesn't like them. That might help you very quickly. Maroon 5. Well, who likes Maroon 5? Everybody hates Roon 5. If this band comes on the radio,

Henry changes the radio station. Well, I know he likes Duolipa. Wait, are we talking about a contemporary band? Henry knows like three contemporary bands. No, no, it's not really a contemporary band. Is this Duolipa every time he likes a song? No, it's not really a little. They're old now.

They're very old. But they've had a lot of hit songs. Airplane. I'm really hung up on airplane. Should I be? Maybe the airplane's throwing you off. No, their name is two letters. Or I'm sorry, their name is a letter and a number.

Jet 5. Yeah. It's definitely Jet 5 taking off. Jet is not allowed. I've got to go. We're on a plane. We are the plane. Are you a plane?

They're an Apple commercial band. It's not whatever you. doing, Jackie. It's not it. Okay, a letter and a number. We got, we'll exhaust these out. A letter in a number. You're in a number.

A1. It's A1. B-502. No, but similar. One of the, that number. B-2. B-B-B-Mack. Z-2.

What? K-2. Just say every letter at this point. C-2, D-2, E-2, F-2. J. I got to say the alphabet. Me, too. Tat-2. Are you out of your mind?

Katz, I, Jake, two, L, 2, M2, M to, B, too. Me too. Q2. You two. You too. You guys are terrible at this.

You suck. What is that to do with a plane? I guess that's something to do with a plane. I don't know. I didn't write the blind item. I just copy and paste it. Yeah, everybody hates you too. Everybody's hated you too.

A long time. You can't even come on. Oh, my Jesus. I can't let me have to go through the entire alphabet. I thought you're about to skip you. No, it's A1. I'm not getting this. I dare say it's A1.

I think can't take it away for me. It's definitely A1. B-52s wasn't a bad guess either, but. Because that sounds like a plane. Jesus, God, guys. Well. I'm so adorable. Is you two a plane?

Well, yeah, I dated a guy who loved you too, and we couldn't even talk about it. Yeah. What if I make you a mix of U2 songs? listen to it. I was like, no. No, yeah. No, it's a, it was a spy plane for anyone that's curious. Yeah. I'm not, I'm not, I'm not. I'm not. I'm not curious. I don't need to know. Oh, plane talk, guys. I also didn't know, to be fair, I also didn't know that that was a plane. I didn't know that that was what you could have told me to start at a later letter than A. So I could. I should know. I was about to be like, start from the end of the alphabet. No, you must know this. information. I am going to say it. Lockheed U-2 was nicknamed the Dragon Lady. You too, you should

have called yourself Dragon Lady and not you too. Just saying. If you're going to call the plane a dragon lady, you should call yourself a dragon lady. It's all I'm saying. How, no. All right, we're moving on. How desperate are you to get every last penny you can earn if you were selling your used swimsuits? Apparently the illiterate reality star and billionaire thinks it's a great idea. Kim Kardashian. Yeah, I didn't even know about Kardashian closet, spelled with a K. Oh, yeah. Dot com.

Oh, yeah. She has, so she has a whole ass site you can go to where you can buy all of their used clothes, like all the family clothes. You could do it with the sister wives as well if you really want to. The article link also wrote the site used to give 10% of their profits to charity, but they don't seem to do that any longer. I mean, I don't even begrudge you with the sister wives because I'm like, people need money. They need money.

But I do regret it with the Kardashians. With the Kardashians. I don't know why closet with a K upsets me, but closet with a K really upset. It's just so trashy and weird. Just give the clothes away. You don't need the fucking money. And there's no way it upsets you, MJ. I know exactly why it upsets you.

K-A-R-S calls for kids. 1877 calls for kids. Kardashians, closet. Yes, that's why. We take all the money for ourselves. Yeah. I can see you again. and I don't want to.

And you both should be ashamed of yourselves with the U2 one. I mean, it is just egregious. Yeah, I wouldn't give it to you. Dragon Lady would be a cooler name for them. Dragon Lady is a better name. But they're not cool. So they don't deserve that name.

All that people would still like the band if they were called Dragon Lady. What if I think that's like Blake Lively's nickname, I think, at this point. You know what really didn't help you to? Remember when they forced everyone to have you two on your iPhone? Yes. Yes.

And it plays automatically. It would always play automatically. That's. what made me single-handedly hate you two. I mean, everyone hate them so much more. I agree, and it happens. It still happens sometimes. It drives me crazy.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. It lives within us all. But thank you guys so much. You can see again, right, Holden? Yes, I can see again. It's great. Welcome back.

And wow, what, man, let us know what you guys feel about Blake lively, page 7 podcast at guma.com. I'm curious. I'm curious to see what, like, our, just like, I see what the internet at large is saying. But, you know, I'm just curious to hear what all of us think. Because the internet, it is divided. Yeah, absolutely.

One way or the other. I have none. I don't think any of the three of us even feel strongly enough to be like, we're right about this. I really don't. So we're very happy to. Maybe she's a much bigger C than we even have heard about. Like, we have no idea. Yes.

So if you have thoughts. disagreements. We would love to, you know, hear them respectfully over at page 7 podcast, email.com or the Patreon comments. It is very fun to hear from people about this because it's the goss right now and it is just fun to goss about and hear what everybody knows and what everybody thinks. Yes. And our next couple of weeks, we are going to be on our LPN vacays. So you will still be getting your episodes. Don't you worry. But we won't have talking TVs for the next couple of weeks because there's going to be no one there. to record us. And it's great because they deserve us. The people that work on these shows deserve

the time off. Yes. They work so hard. So, but brand new episodes coming next two weeks. We've got two. Yes, we have got our main episodes. We've got Jackie's book club over on the Patreon as well. We've got our Buffy watchalongs over on the Patreon. So come hang out over there. And my name is Jackie Zabrowski. You can also come hang out with me over a Jack the Worm on Instagram. And on Wednesdays, I'm not going anywhere. So we will be doing The Sims as well. So come hang out, Twitch.com. Oh, no, it's Jackie.

Wednesday mornings at 8.30 a.m. Pacific Standard time. 11.30 a.m. Eastern standard time. MJ, I've been making quite the whore home while you've been gone. And they, oh, man, they're thick. Those whores are at home. I can't wait to see what you've done. I trust you so fully to make choices. Thank you.

Thank you, MJ. Check me out on Twitch.com slash holdenators ho. That's Twitch. dot TV forward slash holdenators ho. Always got to keep up with that Patreon. Patreon.com forward slash page seven podcast, please. Love of God. So much content.

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Come on. Thank you, thank you, thank you for sending in your shoutouts. Thank you, thank you, thank you. I'm going to kiss you on the mouth. Very, very scary. But of course, I would obviously ask your consent first. Do you consent? I hope that you did. And I'm sending you guys so much love. It's time for the shoutouts. And you can send in your own shoutouts to page 7 podcast at gmail.com. We love hearing from you guys. Thank you guys so much for sending in your high hellos, your TV wrecks, your reviews, your bitching about. Blake lively, we are here to accept it all. Page 7 podcast at Gmail.com.

My first shoutout goes out to Meg. Meg says yesterday the 19th was my 25th birthday. Happy birthday, Meg! And I just want to give myself a shout out because I have accomplished a lot in the last few months. First, I got my master's from my country's best library science program in May. Then I started my first official children's librarian job in June. And then unfortunately already faced my first book challenge in July. It's been a tumultuous few months, but this is the first August that I haven't gone back to school,

and I feel like I'm handling the anxiety of not knowing what comes next pretty well, aka I haven't cried in at least two weeks. Babe, you are killing it. You are already killing it, and I'm, oh, I support you so much. You've got this shit. Oh, my God, you've already, you're already doing it, babe. You got this. Hell yes, I'm so proud of you.

I just want to say that y'all are one of my favorite podcasts, and I listen every Thursday on my commute. I honestly thought I was above Riverdale, but then I started listening to y'all during the pandemic, and I learned the error of my ways. I watched the series finale drunkenly sobbing the entire episode, I understand, Meg. Thank you for getting me through the days, both good and bad, and you as well, Meg. Thank you so much for writing in. And congratulations, you are taken life by the fucking horns in your kids. killing it, sending you all my love. Next shoutout goes out to Lucy. Lucy says I've struggled for quite a while trying to capture all the conflicting feelings and retrospection spurred by the

fact that our baby will be won this week. Congratulations, babe. Dude Dad had an ode to a firstborn's birthday that you can check out on Facebook that also quietly is a celebration for parents, adjusting to the new role and learning together with their little one, and it's probably more eloquent than I could ever be. Again, that's dude dad on Facebook. Parenting is hard and crazy and rewarding and full of a love that is bone-deep and immediate. It's made me both incredibly soft and galvanized with steel. Hell yeah, Lucy.

I shout myself out for doing something I never thought I'd be capable of, despite the role of mom not feeling like it actually applied to me, and still having moments of, what have we done? Oh, I want to shout out our sweet bebe for taking the best of both of us and somehow making a better person than we could have imagined. Oh my God, Lucy, this fills my heart with love.

And having an extreme and a cute case of cute that still floors me a year in, even though she still calls both of us daddy. Oh, you're earning that name, Lucy. I bet you're a beautiful daddy. I also want to shout out my very own cryptid in the form of a man who not only decided I was worth the extra work to woo and partner,

but that actually put the idea of kids back on the table. He makes me stand up for myself while simultaneously being a soft place and a listening ear and conspires an all. all of my wild schemes I'd never before been able to consider. I spent my first trimester sick and probably depressed slash scared with all the new hormones, and I wouldn't have gotten through without him holding me while I cried on the floor

and holding space for me when all I could do was lay in bed in the dark while we were in private. He deserves more than shoutouts, but I'm a gal on a budge, so here we are. And I'm sending extra, extra, extra shoutouts to your cryptid. because your love is wonderful, and I'm so happy you both found each other. But the biggest shoutouts go to all the other parents out there, doing their best for kids who probably won't be able to understand for a very long time, if ever, just how much they were loved and agonized over. I'm privileged in a lot of ways,

and I'm eternally impressed and humbled at the way folks are getting things done. Particular thanks to the last parents on the left for providing space to vent, raw feedback, resources, doses of reality, and shared experiences. You've been invaluable, and we see you being good parents. And thank you so much for the photos of your ice cream, amp Lucy, sending you and your partner and the sweet baby, all the love in the world, and happy first birthday. And also, Lucy, you are in amazing company because we've got another first birthday being written about Rihanna. Thank you so much for writing in.

Riana says, I'm sorry, Rihanna, Rihanna, and now I've got the Charlie X, X, X, X, it's Rihanna. I love Rihanna. I want Rihanna. My baby just turned one, and my husband and I are at a stage where we actually have enough time and energy to dip our toes back into gaming after our little one goes to bed. That's wonderful.

We've spent many nights this summer playing a new, free computer MMO game in a fantasy land called Pahlia. In the game, both our characters wear full-body hot dog suits, and my character's name is Gunt Gaines. Yes, I love it! Some people might think the hot dogs clash with the majestic pastoral scenery of the game, but whatever, I think it fits perfectly. I also keep two fresh platters of steaming hot dogs on my dinner table at all times. I think that you mean in the game, but in my brain it was in your real life and I was shocked for a moment. We invite other players to our hot dog squad loot runs and I've had a few people ask if I listen to page 7. You guys already have a fan club in the game and some of the NPCs, all non-human,

are even romancible. So what I'm trying to say is, I think I like it. I, do I need this game? Do you have to like or anything. I know that you can't answer my questions right now, and I'm sure I could just look this up, but this sounds delightful, and it makes me want to join this game. Rana says, shout out to my sister-in-law, Sarah, for getting me hooked on page seven so many years ago. Also, Rana has been listening since 2017, by the way. And shout out to my amazing husband, who I love playing games and spending time with more than anyone. Thank you, Jackie Holden and MJ for being a beacon of laughter and light for me to look forward to every week. Lots of love to you all and lots of love to you and your family.

And happy first birthdays to both the Babes this week. Oh, my God. Sending you guys all the love I can muster. I hope you feel my arms around you bibs. And I'm sending you, mm-hmm. Gusses love and light. Gives is loving light. Love you guys so much.

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