Page 7 - Ep. 561: Hey, I'm Holden Space Over Here

Episode Date: December 5, 2024

This week on Page 7 it's Jackie's time to shine, despite Holden's efforts, MJ and Jackie call Holden out for sending Lexi out on black Friday, and Jackie calls out most of her friend group as bein' in the NO NO ZONE. Jackie gives Holden, MJ and all parents out there a foolproof plan to get free shoes via lesson learned from Christmas Shoes, a video of Apple at the Debutant Ball devolves into some crazy accusations via reddit of bullying and a goop coverup. Advent calendar chat including the highs of years past and the lows of the Instagram Gilmore Girls calendar, Nick Cannon reveals a not so surprising diagnosis of Narcissistic Personality Disorder, Jackie announces The Muppet Christmas Carol watchalong stream Sunday, December 8th 5pm PST/8pm EST on HoldenatorsHo, and then talk about the totally bizarre buzzword filled video holding space in all our hearts. Final, in Celebrity Conspiracy Corner: Why The Queen Killed Off DIANA?!?! This week's List: Actors Who original Turned Down A Role and Had to Be Convinced To Take It, Blindz, and SHOUT OUTZZZ!  Want even more Page 7? Support us on Patreon! Patreon.com/Page7Podcast  Subscribe to SiriusXM Podcasts+ to listen to new episodes of Page 7 ad-free.Start a free trial now on Apple Podcasts or by visiting siriusxm.com/podcastsplus. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Oh, Holden tried. He walked away from the computer. Oh, this is how we're going to start the episode. Because Holden was over here trying to get the vitamin C songs stuck in my head. Oh, don't worry. He's back. Excuse me. I'm sorry.

I just have some reading to do. Well, he's in the middle of something else. Holden, you put that down. I don't give a fuck about whatever you're about to say. He's holding the Taylor Swiftbook, people. He's holding the Taylor Swift book. IMJ, put it on ice. I'm sorry.

I'm sorry. I have some riveting and reading I have to do right now. Can you put it on ice? It is my time to shine. But I'm in the reputation era. It was that? Holden. Hold space for me for a second.

Hey, I'm holding space over here. How many times do you have to say hold space for it? I need a second. Holden. Keep it on ice. Grab a finger, bitch. You're ruining the start of this. You're ruining my favorite start.

You know what you might be about to sing. You know what I'm about to sing. And Holden has ruined it. And now I don't want to sing it anymore. Now I don't want to give the people what they've been begging for all year. Because Holden's been bad. and he didn't wash the dishes after Thanksgiving. It was almost Christmas time, and there I stood in another line trying to buy that last gift or two.

Not really in the Christmas mood. Standing right in front of me was a little boy waiting anxiously, pacing around like little boys do. You guys feel seen? And so now he held a pair of shoes Oh, his clothes were old and worn He was dirty from head to toe And when it came his time to pay I couldn't believe what I heard hebsie

So I want to buy the issues Mama please It's Christmas Eve in these shoes Just her side But I don't go to her wrist her That is not much time You see, she's been sick for quite a while Quite a while

I know these shoes make a smile And I wanted to look beautiful When Mama meets Jesus tonight So I want to buy t-sues Thank you for the child's chorus portion. It's me only shirt and it's just a shirt. Bringing the Buffy reference, Andrea is here as well. Well, now that is Jackie's version of getting unthodd from ice after Halloween.

Like Mariah Carey, she emerges from the cavity of a turkey after Thanksgiving. I was stuffed. I was stuffed. I was stuffed. And now I'm released. And I know holding. he had to battle the Black Friday crowds. Lexi did I stayed at home.

She got it for me. You didn't even go get it. Yes. That's disgusting, you sent your wife to get your Taylor Swift book. And it wasn't at Target on Black Friday that she went to, so then she went to a different target the next day to get it. Your wife had to go to two different targets to get the Taylor Swift book.

And you're saying this into a microphone. You should be ashamed of yourself. So you didn't clean up after Thanksgiving. Wow. And then you didn't. Because she knows it. Keep me in love with her, okay? And I love this too.

I love the pre-show check. He's like, it's okay that you didn't clean. You're the only one I can publicly blame. And you left early. And it's totally fine. And then the recording starts, and he didn't clean. But you know what?

I didn't. I saw those plates and I left and I laughed. Nobody clean. And I left and I left. And I joltedly went home. And I was like, in bed. It was like, I think I forgot something. Alexi was like, what?

No, you didn't think about a cleaning. You didn't think about a second. Nobody thought about this. Everyone to know, everyone that lists is the page seven, that our entire friend group is in the no-no zone. They are starting out the Christmas season in the no-no zone. No-no zone. Jackie, they're on the body list. I was no-no-zone.

That's like the part on your body you're not supposed to be touched if you're a child. Okay, that's the no-no zone. Now they're all made up a no-no zone, so none of them are getting touched for Christmas. Unbelievable. The adult punishment instead of Cole is that you don't get to get touched for Christmas. Well, and you guys don't get to see what's in this book ever. I'll never show it to you.

Never, not neither of you. Oh, no. I've never seen an image of Taylor Swift at the ERIS tour before. These are never before seen a book. I'm at Jay and they have a whole cool section in the back with behind the scenes and they have a picture with all the different cool microphone she uses. Oh, my God. Wait a second.

Hold in. Wait, you didn't say every single microphone she uses? Oh my God. I've got to spend $600 on this book. They're all unique and cool looking. It's just send my wife to multiple targets so that I can have a book. She knew she had to go in order to keep the marriage stable, Jackie. You know what?

I love Target. So it might be it might be that he did his wife a favor. I don't know how Lexi feels about Target. But if you send me to Target, you're doing me a favor. Okay. Can we hold space for that? Did you give like Lexi? like was she, you know, did you allow her, because again, Trump's America, did you allow her to get whatever she wanted at the target as well?

Yeah, was she allowed? Get yourself a treat, sweetheart. I had definitely allowed, yeah, I allowed her some, to hold some space for getting something to not, but not actually get anything. But she couldn't get a treat. She couldn't go to the boxies and get. No, there's all the Christmas decorations that were slowly plopping out onto the day. That's what we did on that. We didn't do it on Black Friday, but we did over the weekend.

I was like, children, you want to go to Target. It didn't get Christmas decorations. They went to Target and to Michaels. And it was, it was wonderful for them probably. I was home resting. Wait a second. So you also, wait a second. She was very tired.

You weren't even home with Winnie. She also had Winnie. You didn't give her a magical trip to Target. You sent her on errands with your three-year-old to go get You an expensive Taylor Swift book? My wife's favorite thing to do in the world is go run errands with her three-year-old daughters. That's her favorite thing. She likes it more than bed rest.

She likes it more than bathing. She likes it more than eating cake. I hate to go to a busy target. I hate to defend Holden and I'm not defending Holden. But I personally. You shouldn't because I'm bullshit to you. It's awful. So go on.

I have, I'm a, I'm a. leftist anti-capitalist who loves Target, and I work hard to create a mutual love of Target and my children. And so sometimes when it's time to get the kids out of the house, I say, children, who wants to go to the Target? And they'll say, the Atlantic Mall target or the target that we have to walk to. And I'll say the target that we have to walk to, which is a better target. And it's, you know, so I'm just saying maybe Lexi was looking forward to it. But then there's the child tax of going to Target, which is that they will want to pick something for themselves, even though it's almost Christmas time.

Of course. You know, it is, it's, it's, I'm not, Holden has done something wrong. Holden has done. Let's just re-ority that. Lexi, and Lexi apparently can't say no. So she ends up, uh, just giving the lady at the cashier, like, secretly a bunch of items. Like, just put, oh, wow.

That's crap. I've never thought of that, putting it in the cart and then asking the cashier lady to not actually scan it. But she'll get, I think it's just because she literally like, doesn't say no to anything. So she's still. buys a bunch of trinkets for Witty, but just not like all, you know, because she's like, yeah, she's so trinket happy. But then they get to show.

And exactly, don't they want, let the children shop. You know what I mean? I mean, I just realized, like in the Christmas shoes song, guys, why aren't you using your children to get free shoes? Dirty them up. Shove them inside of the target without you because then, A, you don't have to watch them because they're just dirty orphans. And they just, I guess they just live.

within the target. And then I say find the nicest shoes. Yes. Bring them up to a man. Any man. Oh, yeah. Tell them that your mother is dying in the hospital.

I mean, this metaphor stands for the book. It was like I was home, not dying, but hungover. You know, and sad and tired. Holden says there's not much time. Yeah, he needs his Taylor Swift book. He loves Taylor Swift more than me. And he's, like when he's like,

And me. Please to save my marriage, sir. It's the only thing you love it over to get it out bed. I want to write a whole version. Yeah, I think we should write a hold of. I forgot my name this morning. You know, like, yeah, yeah. So, yeah, I agree.

I concur. I think that that's a very similar situation. I love you didn't even go get it. I can't believe it because you kept on Thanksgiving being like, man, I got to go out in Black Friday tomorrow. I can't believe I got to go out in Black Friday tomorrow. I can't believe I got to go out in Black Friday. tomorrow to get my Taylor Swift book. Yeah, then you texted us a picture of you with your book

as if you had gone and hunted for it like a hunter-gatherer yourself. So happy. Check it out of my new Instagram Hold Nader's Ho with Two O's. I'm thrilled with this book. I don't think I've ever been. I haven't looked that happy since I got the PS5, you know. Yeah, not when you're child. Which happened before. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um, yeah. Um, yeah, it was just so in ecstasy. I remember I was so in ecstasy. And I actually, yeah, I still have the video of when you found out Lexi was in labor and how upset you. Yeah. And I think that that's the day.

Well, to be fair, he was live streaming at the time. You were in the middle of a 14 hours. I was halfway through a 12-hour marathon that I really thought was going to end and then I was going to sleep for two days. And then we were going to go have the baby. But, you know, that's why you can't, I was talking to. Can't plan. And I was talking to a friend who, you know, you just, you never know when the baby's going to come, right? And I was talking to a friend whose friend, it is a friend of a friend's story, but a friend of a friend.

Uh-oh, telephone. I mean, they were like two bottles of red wide deep. So this is going to be an accurate story. Right, right. No, no, no, I'm just saying, like, no, no, no, the story is just that they were like two bottles of red wide deep and the wife went into like early lake burger. Oh. Oh. They literally had a friend had to come over with like a jug of coffee and just sit down with them and just like go through the whole thing and then meet the wife at the hospital because they were like.

Oh my God. So just a heads up. You never know when the baby's going to come. Yeah. Don't assume. Yeah. If you're even in the zone where early labor could happen, you're going to not want to drink two bottles of red wine. Don't get hammered on any level because that would be a nightmare.

are things that we've learned. There's lots of things that celebrities need to learn about having kids, and maybe that's trying to raise them up, right? Now, yes, we are going to be talking about Nepo baby debutante ball. They should call it the neputant ball. They should call it the neputant ball. Oh, why aren't they calling it the nephew? I think because they're trying to be classy about it,

because this was rooted in a French custom where they would literally, like, introduce these women to the world to be like wed. Like that was the old, they, if you saw in the read, it was like, every year the French,

like fancy French people would introduce like 15 to 20 fresh youngs to the, yeah, good. I like them. Yeah, for the plucking, essentially. For them to be plucked up

and wed and pregged. Yeah. In 1958, it was held at the palace of Versailles to introduce 20 to 25 women to society. The females between the ages of 16 to 22 were handpicked from many, many countries go through months of fittings before stepping out in their

couture gowns. It does feel weird to be like, it's like, here they are ready to have sex now. No longer a child officially a fuckable woman. Like that's literally what it is. This is my problem. Because it always makes me think of the movie Pretty Baby, which is very upsetting because yeah, she also had, I guess maybe it wasn't a debutante ball. It was a, oh, man, she's 13.

Guess she's ready to get it. And that's what I think about when I think about these debutante balls. And I know that that's not what happens. But is that not what happens? It literally seems like this is a ball that started in the 50s for the aforementioned reasons. Introduced rich ladies to be ready to be fucked. And now it's just introduced celebrity children. Now it seems a little bit more like I'm introducing the next it girl.

I'm introducing the next like ingenue or the next like entrepreneur or the next. or the next like, you know, influencer. It seems a bit more like that because you've got, you know, Margaret Qua. I didn't realize Margaret Quali. Who's Margaret Quali's rents? Does she have? Andy McDowell.

Okay, I did not even realize she was NEPA, but that makes so much sense. But yeah, it was, it's like more like here's, yeah, and also Lily Collins, Emily and Petty actress as well introduced. I just feel like, did you guys know people that were in Catillion? growing up.

Like I didn't hear about Catillion until I was older and I was like, excuse me, we just didn't have that in the Midwest but it's a southern thing, right? Yeah, so the Catillion, which is also like a debut top ball where they go and they learn how to dance

and they learn etiquette and they learn like all that like traditional kind of, but I remember I never had, you know, like I wasn't going to Catillion, but part of me looks at it. It was like, well, that's kind of cool to be like taught how to like set a table.

I know that we got like Martha Stewart and stuff. I'm just, I was intrigued at the time by what they would learn at these like crazy rich people classes they would go to. And I'm like, what are the rich people learn that the poor people don't learn? No, it's intriguing. I think the weird part is like how the dad's involved

and like it's your date's your dad is weird. But how much money would I have paid? The daddy daughter dance thing. To see awkward like young Jackie. But I'm so happy. Thank you guys. To see awkward to you with your dad.

Oh, with my father. Yeah. I would pay so much money for that VHS tape. Oh my God. Home video. Yeah, my father's like,

holy shit. Smoking cigarettes through the entire thing. Like, that's my daughter. It'd be a lot of that. They killed a guy six years ago. Anyways,

it was legal. I was a police officer. Um, that's not the guy a police officer. My father was holding. All right. I know you love your A cabs. Right.

My father's a good man. I don't know my Ake. I don't believe in absolutes, Jackie. So there. Thank you. Thank you. Interesting. What about you, MJ?

Are they all bastards? I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. This Debbie Tonpal, though, you look at it and there's no part of me that goes like, oh man, wouldn't that be so cool? There's something about Catillian being in like middle school, high school that I feel is very different than being 20 and going through this.

And I guess it's like an arrested development that. Maybe I'm just assuming that a lot of specific nepo babies go through of like, oh, I don't have to so I can do it. Because apparently word on the street. Now, for those of you that don't know, we are talking about Apple Martin's debutante ball, which is the daughter of Goop and Chris Martin from Coldplay. And it was weird because when I saw this article, I was like, man, I feel like we never hear anything about Apple Martin. Like, it's kind of crazy. And that is, and that's good, right? The only thing I enjoyed about this article is the idea of keeping celebrity children,

those celebrities who do choose to keep their children kind of not as public figures. Sure. And then it's like, okay, you're 20, now you can go to this weird ritualistic party where you're now considered an adult or whatever. It makes me think of the other story you sent about Henry Winkler telling his daughter not to do reality TV. Like, I always really appreciate celebrities who choose to keep their kids kind of out of it. Well, but apparently word on the street is she's been kept a secret because she's evil.

Maybe she might have a couple of bad seeds in there. I mean, she does look slightly evil, but that's not her fault. She has her mother's beautiful, wide-set eyes. In every conflict, there's at least one bitch. A huge bitch, a silly bitch. A little baby bitch, a raggedy bitch. But sometimes it's unclear who the bitch is. I'm Kara Klank.

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Apple has a mean girls moment that was caught on video. And if you watch the video, it's like kind of blow up a little bit on TikTok. She definitely like, you know, pushes this girl out of the way of a camera and starts posing and stuff. It is a TikTok. But it is crazy, though, because so, of course, the internet was like, mean girl moment, mean girl moment. Apple Martin pushes girl out of the way. Of course, you watch the TikTok.

It's like, all right, she didn't push anybody yet. She definitely walks in front of her. But then, and this is, I knew this backlash was coming of like, how dare you say that she was being playful? You don't know her relationship between her and those girls. And here's the thing, guys. if you've been around young bitches before didn't look like that like I will feel like it definitely didn't really look like that but I hear what you're saying and okay all right okay but then it continues on hold and found this Reddit thread talking about Apple Martin and that possibly there might be a reason why we haven't been hearing about Apple Martin and that is possibly because she is in an insane bully and bullied someone to such an extreme that possibly she got kicked out of school. We need to talk about Apple.

We need to talk about Apple. I mean, I need everyone to know. She looks like she is that person. She looks like. There is no proof. She has her mother's beautiful, wide-set eyes. She does look a little. She's gorgeous.

She has a look of a stunning person who could be evil, you know, but stunning beauty can go that way. You could either be evil or you could be. you know, whatever Guedithelro is. Okay, how about this? Apple's partner, notably, was aristocrat, Leo Kossima Hinkle von Donner. Von Donder Spark! And she's not evil!

But yeah, but did you see? Did you see Holden? There's also articles out there. It's like, she was like rolling her eyes at him all night long. Van Humperbunk! How dare she? Roll her eyes at Ston Humpty Dots! I am upset that she brought this person from the

heavy side layer all the way to her debutante ball and she rolls her eyes at him. Another detail from the article that I have to bring up. I just shout out to the, shoutouts to the page six author of this article who said, not only did Apple's divorced parents show up to support her but the Vanderbilt universities and it goes on. Anyways, I loved it. That was like, yep, because I feel like that was such a dig at the conscious

uncoupling thing. It was like, not only did her divorced pair, like, you know right divorce. We all know they're divorced. But anyways, Apple apparently bullied a girl in a fucking what to ask herself or whatever. But again, again, again, there is no proof. But the word on the street is there's no proof because word on the street is that there are a lot of NDAs and a lot of money exchanging hands from Goop. Scrub it.

I want this movie of the papers. I don't care if it's true. I want a movie about a goop-level celebrity who specifically does what goop does, which is act like a person with a lobotomy, who then, but also behind the scenes, has a evil psychotic daughter who looks a little bit evil, and then has to pay, use all of her millions of dollars to pay to keep it silent. From her skiing trials, I don't even remember if she won money in the skiing trial,

but I'm saying she did have a ski trial. She did win the trial at least. Anyways. It's a great story. Yeah, apparently. And this is all extremely vague. And I really scrambled to try to find more on this. Because, okay, again, the article is just about this video, right?

And then in the common thread, someone lays this out. It's a spin out. I'm only finding, like, just vague rumbling. So this is extremely accusatory without any real tangible proof, which is it's such a conspiracy, right? Because it's like, really it should, I should turn this into the conspiracy for the week. in a page 7 conspiracy right here. A little early in the episode, yeah. Even in the Reddit, someone was like, okay, you say that this is all tinfoil hat, right?

But then also remember, there are things like the PR move of when Kate Moss became a Diet Coke ambassador. So it would be the top results when you search Kate Moss Coke or Kate Moss Diet. And so it's like you think about these people, these celebrities, are machines and they are run by a whole team of people. So, you know, Apple Martin being possibly a huge bully, what's that going to look like for Goop? So every time somebody Googles evil Apple, they're going to find Apple Martin. Whoa. Yes, I love it.

It's like a poisoned apple. Yes, the bad seed. Yes. I see. So Jackie, are you suggesting? I mean, it's bad. It's very bad. No, no, no, it's horrific.

No, I hope I... But I love it! Yeah, I mean, it's certainly, it makes sense to suggest that the Paltro PR machine is managing Apple's every move. I don't even, I don't think that's conspiratorial. I think that's just, I mean, you have to if you're at that level of celebrity, right? Conspiratorial that is, like, paying a bunch of, like, publications and stuff off to not be posting about all this stuff. We don't need to talk about Apple. Because this is juicy, juicy.

Yeah. Juicy. an evil apple. Evil. Ooh, she wants it. Oh, you want me to eat it. And then all of a sudden I got babies in me, huh? Yeah, with you snakes. I know what you do.

I know what you all do in your Christians. Yeah, I know what you do. But maybe I'm becoming too much of a Mariah Carey over here, which I don't know if you saw that promo video that I sent you guys because Mariah Carrie did this Spotify promo. where she was just talking like this and she said, oh, Mariah Mondays. On Spotify, it's Mariah Mondays.

And she looked like she had a gun to her head. And I felt like Mariah needed to be released in some fashion. She looked like she had a gun to her head, but that she didn't care if she died. You know, it was like that level. Yeah, she was ready to go. She's ready. She's ready for it all to end.

But something that I think that I'd like to start peppering into the rest of my year and I feel like I need to get Mariah on the phone about this because like as the Empress of Thanksgiving like I feel like we should have like quarterly meetings together but I do think that we need to up the amount of Advent calendars in our lives and I feel as someone that I have already purchased myself three Advent calendars and one of them is very very very bad and yes I'm throwing the Gilmore Girls Advent calendar under the bus. Was this an Etsy purchase? What was this? Where did you get this from?

You don't have to name names or just vaguely. It was sent to me by the Instagram gods. I saw it on one of those Instagram ads and I purchased it. So maybe a heads up on that because I see ads sometimes from like, oh, man, they really want me to buy that shirt that has Taylor Swift like flicking off the camera with both middle fingers. They really want me to buy that one for some reason. If it's on Instagram, I'll buy it. It is my biggest weakness. I, if it is a targeted ad to me on Instagram, I'm like, this will, this is what I need.

They know me. See, my problem is I think, well, everyone else on Instagram is also seeing this. And if everyone else is seeing it, then someone else is going to buy it too. And then I'm going to show up at a party and someone else is going to be wearing the hoodie that makes it look like Homer Simpson's like backsliding into the hedge hedges, right? Or whatever it is. Oh, man. We have such different Instagram ads.

And isn't that the beauty of the Instagram ads? The eye linger situation. And the absolute horror. My ads are like, are you trying to get your children off your back for 10 seconds? Buy this toy, you know? I know with my new Instagram, I'm pure, a little bit pure of the eye being lingering, but it's starting to creep back in because it sees me. It sees me idle on the, on big tips.

It sees you. I can't do it. I don't know what to do. I just, you know? I'm trying so hard not to, though, but it's like, you're a leg guy, aren't? I'm like, come on. Don't do it to me Instagram. Let's hold space for Holden.

I feel like he needs the space right now. to be able to like breathe in Holdenaders Ho and like I'm proud of you for finding your new algorithm. Yeah, yeah. But again, the Gilmore Girls Advent Calendar really bad. And I think that you guys are really sleeping on Advent Calendar. I love an Advent Calendar. I want, every year I want to get like a little whiskey one or a weed one. And then I look and I'm like, $250, but I'm like, I guess it makes sense it has 25 servings of wine, you know?

So it's expensive. But I love an Advent Calendar. I got my kids out. Last year you got my kids Advent calendars. this year they have Advent Caledters, but they love the Advent Caledder so much. I can't get them to school this morning. I was like, stop playing with the Advent Calendar. But, um, I love, the Advent Calendar technology has really gotten a lot better since we were

children. Really amazing. Way crazier. Except for the Gilmore Girls. The Gilmore Girls Advent Calendar was literally I opened it up today and it was a little piece of not even card stock with just fuzzy, like a fuzzy printed picture of Rory Gilmore on it. And I was just like, this is not.

I don't know what I accept. Here's the thing, though. Jeff did ask me, what did I expect from the Advent calendar? And here's the thing, not a lot. What did you think would be in it? I don't know what I didn't know. That's why I bought one for me. But here's the kicker.

I also bought one for Natalie as well. And I spent too much money on these Advent calendars. You know it was worth the price? And I'm calling out. You know those big, thick chocolate bars, the Tony's chocolate bars? Oh, yeah. People love the Tony's chocolate bars. Bro, Tony's has an Advent calendar, and in all of them, it's little mini-disc, thick discs of all different kinds of chocolate.

And it is amazing. Oh, my God. Sorry, I'm not here selling Advent calendars. I'm just trying to say that I think that we've been, it's like a reason to get up in the morning. Yeah. And I know that's sad, but, you know, during the holidays, we got to just. do what we got to do. And I, it's, it's, it's like we need more of it.

A couple of things to me, I feel so, like, awkward in this conversation because we have Advent calendars coming by a person who is wonderful and gifts us Advent calendars. Yeah. Jasmine? So our calendars are coming, but they're not here just yet. But last year, we did do the wine one. I love you, Jasmine. You're the best.

Yeah, we did the wine one. And there was this Sesame Street one for Winnie, where each one had a little mini, Christmas book in it. Like a little just paperback like... Oh, that's amazing. Yeah, it was awesome. Jasmine got me one off of Etsy that was all handmade

skincare stuff. It was like bad stuff. It was lotions. It was all across. I mean, really, Advent calendars have come an insane long day. Two years ago we had one. It was all like different.

It was like human flesh. Eyeballs. That's not. You know, a little piece of man liver. That's not what you did. And it was great. We got every part. of the human body, some dead, some, some carcass somewhere, you know, the washed up.

Yeah, I get it. You know, I love it when they wash up. Now, speaking of washed up, I was talking about Mariah Carey, but we were needing to discuss, oh, my God. Nick Cannon's diagnosis, are we, are we holding space for Nick Cannon and what Nick Cannon is going to right now? I'm like shocked that he made, like, you know why? Because he's a narcissist. Why do you think he told everybody? He was diagnosed with narcissistic personality disorder.

Of course he told everybody. I'm just shocked he did any amount of work to discover this at all. But I guess you get to a point where you're like, people keep telling me my behavior strange that impregnating this many women and naming my children like, you know, king lord or whatever it is. You know what I mean? It's like a little odd comparatively. I'm kind of looking around for a second and I'm realizing this is, this is a

this behavior is a little off the map. Also, I need everyone to know. I'm not saying that all people with narcissistic personality disorder are trying to impregnate multiple people. I'm not saying like, of course he's got this. It just makes a lot of sense in the, you know, the canon of Nick that I feel it, that it's just like I'm, I'm proud of him for getting the diagnosis. I think it's really good.

Obviously, he's doing some self-work. And I think that's wonderful and beautiful. how much you want to bet one of the women made him do this. Yes. I was going to say it had to have been somebody being like, you know what? If you want to continue to be parts of these many children's lives, you need to figure your shit out. You know what's going on with you.

Right. Although this other article you said Jackie about him how he still, and I didn't realize he said this multiple times that he's like, that he would get back with Mariah says it always. In a heartbeat. She don't want me though. And she doesn't want him. I'm like, I wonder why, geez, I wonder why two people with extreme narcissists.

disorder wouldn't work out at the end of the day. I wonder why that would be a thing. I'm like, did his, because all of these kids and everything came after his split with Mariah, and so now I'm like, is he just like nursing the world's biggest heartache from missing that, you know, thrilling presence that is Mariah Carey? And Cannon was in love with Mariah Carey all growing up. And remember the huge Mariah back tattoo that he had? No.

Because you couldn't believe. believe that he was with Mariah Care, like even after having children with her. Couldn't believe that he had her. But then don't worry, this is my little never forget that he took the huge Mariah back tattoo and turned it into the crucifixion of Jesus Christ. And I think that it makes sense that he's got the cross on his back because it's his cross to bear of Mariah forever and ever. I wish him happiness.

And, you know, he's a busy man. I feel like he's busier than Santa Claus during the month of December. I just, I just, I feel like I want to save a future child from existing, you know, with this. This might be nice just to, because I think he's reached a good limit. And he should stop now because I don't think any future children besides financially will benefit very much from a dad of, of, you know, it's not just a dad of how many, 12. 12. It's across so many women.

I mean, he was even talking about how he was just like, oh, Christmas. I'm just everywhere by the East Coast. I'm on the West Coast. I'm like, but at some point it's going to be Christmas Eve or Christmas morning. And you're only going to be able to be with like a couple of those kids, you know? And the other ones are just going to be like, where's dad? And so I just, it just is the fact of the matter. I, romantic says big families.

I think big families are really. cool, but I just read the Hidden Valley Road book, which is the book version of the six schizophrenic brothers documentary. Even though I always think that you're talking about ranch dressing, you need everyone to know what is nothing to do with ranch dressing unless they, like, you know, psychiatrically are just pouring ranch all over themselves so they can marinate so they can make it soft. That Hidden Valley Rates Marketing Department are everywhere. They're everywhere. Skinsafritic Brothers.

Yeah, they're even in the schizophrenia research universe. But I'm just, no, I have now come around to that it is possible to have too many children. And it sounds like 12 is the limit. And, you know, I think that that's about where we have to stop. I think you could stop at an easy 10. I think, you know, like eight might be a reasonable stopper. But I also kind of feel bad for Nick Cannon in some way because the only thing I feel bad for Nick Cannon about. is the fact that every Christmas, but not even just Christmas, all year long, he is asked about

Mariah Carey. To the point that he's asked in this interview of like, what's your favorite Mariah Carey Christmas song? And it's like, why you ask? Like, come on. Why do you got to do this to this dude? Because, of course, he says all I want for Christmas is you. But then he says weird things like, oh, Santa's my joint.

I think she wrote that about me. Don't say nothing. I think she was talking about me. Or maybe some guy named St. Nick. And it's like, bro, you're still saying shit like this in 2020. Yeah. You gotta stop. He's obsessed with her.

I really didn't. I didn't know. Yeah, yeah. Obsessed. It's sad. That really makes me see him in a whole new light. Like if all of this messianic behavior that he's been engaging in since the breakup is just like his breakup spiral. You know, he's been in a, his breakup spiral cost us cost the world 10 children, you know.

Like that's a lot of breakup spiraling. But I will say I am happy that he is apparently in therapy and getting mental health help. And I, you know, this is really big. I actually think it's really good that he's coming out and talking about this. I mean, like, I realized that there was an issue and I needed to work on this. And again, I mean, what other celebrities have been like, I have narcissistic personality disorder, right? It is like a very stigmatized, obviously, like mental, like, it's not something that people really talk about, like, I have this. And I own it, you know.

And I think it's also, like my therapist has said before, too, that it's oftentimes you'd be like, oh, they're a narcissist. Oh, it's like it's a word that you throw around a lot that obviously a true narcissist is a very different ball game than a person that just has like that, oh, oh, you're acting like a narcissist right now that's being a little bit more like egocentric. You know what I mean? Right. And there is a drastic difference.

So I think that this is really huge that he has come out and said that he's. diagnosed with narcissistic personality. Yeah, I think it's got to be a good for him, you know. I think it is a go for him. And say what you will about all those kids, but he does seem to try to make an effort to see them regularly. He's trying to try. He's trying to try.

I know that our, like, it's sad how low our bar is, but like, I mean, the kids are all taken care of. They're all fed. They're all. And he seems to love being their dad. Like, when I said it, his, his. break up spiral cost the world, 10 children. I should have said blessed the world with 10 children.

Thank you because that's why I was like, where are the blessings, MJ? Why aren't you giving out your blessings for Christmas, MJ? But, you know, he does seem to be like, yeah, look at all these kids. I love them. And that's nice, I guess. But the bar is in hell. The bar is in hell. But yes, speaking of Christmas, no cheeses for us, Mises, everybody.

No cheeses for us, Mises, alert, December 8th. Sunday, December 8th, 5 p.m. Pacific Standard. 8 p.m. Eastern Standard Time, Twitch.tv slash Holdenaders. Ho! We are going to be watching the Muppet Christmas Carol. Come join us live. But don't worry, if you don't join us live, we will still be recording it so you can join us for your future Muppet Christmas Carol watchings. Why do you look so scared, Holden? I'm just feeling this. Look, we've said holding space about 20 times. We gotta hold more space. And yet we still... I figure we could just... I think everybody at this point knows what holding spaces.

But we still... I don't think we need to explain it to anybody. I just want to talk about it for a second because it is like my favorite... I keep watching it. It's like, it's my advent calendar right now. It's my reason to get out of bed. Reason to get out of bed in the morning.

Because if you work in queer media... Yes, because I work in queer media. I can't stop saying I work in queer media. It's such a funny video. And yes, everybody's probably... seen it. If you're not aware, there's this video with Cynthia Rivo and Ariana Grady with this interviewer doing those

always, crazy Gilchrist. Always bullshity press tour for movie interviews. And they've been, their press tour has been just, wow, craziness. They just, they're all over. They're just so over-emotional and they make no sense. There's been interviews since this one that are even

crazier. I've never seen two people more of, I've never seen two people more, full of hot air. It is just... They're intoxicated on their own bullshit. Like, they, like, the one, this, the Tracy Gilchrist one is perfect. The 40-minute, it's a 40-second video.

Gideon had, like, seen all the posts about it, and I was like, if you watch the actual video, and he was like, no, I don't really get it. And I was like, you need to stop and watch it. Do yourself a flavor. Yes, definitely watch it. It's just so perfect. But then, yes, since this interview, you, I was like, I had a minute of being like, they must be feeling really embarrassed about how much everyone is laughing at this video.

And then since then, did you see the one where that other person is kind of like fawning over them? And both of them are like, thank you for showing up for this. You're the best. You're, oh, you needed to be here. You were meant to be here. And it's like, what? It's like theater kids unleashed. Like, I could not imagine two better people to do a press tour for a musical that is largely associated with annoying theater people than these two people.

They are. These two people. And, yes, the Tracy Gochrist video. So emotional about nothing. Did I say we pause for a moment? I'd love to pull the audio from the... Oh, yeah. If we could just listen to it, April, please.

I've seen... This week, people are taking the lyrics of defying gravity and really holding space with that and feeling power in that. I didn't know that that was happening. I've seen it, yeah. That's really powerful. That's why I wanted.

I don't know that was happening. happening. I've seen it on a couple posts. I don't know how widespread, but, you know, I am in queer media, so that's my, you know. So the one thing you're not hearing in the audio is, of course, something everyone's talking about, which is the finger hold. The finger hold. If I may read my favorite tweet about this, there were many good posts about this, but my favorite one really breaks it down. I can't tell, this is from somebody who's Twitter handle is Irish goodbye. I can't tell what my favorite part of this video is. The solemnity and announcing people have been

holding space for the lyrics of a 20-year-old song. Cynthia acting like she personally wrote it. Ariana holding onto Cynthia's index finger or the reveal of a couple of posts. That's my favorite. I've seen a couple of posts about it. But picking it apart makes so much sense because

the saying the interviewer was like starting a question wasn't even really like saying much with that first part. But Sylvia Rivo just had this extreme overreaction to it. They made no sense where she's just like, so people are holding space for the song online. Oh my God. Oh my God. I didn't know that was happening.

Happened no. I didn't know that was happening. And then yeah, and then the post-bordom of the interviewer Tracy Goldcris being interviewed, she's like, I was actually trying to tee up a much bigger question about queer people. Could you imagine her head would have exploded if she'd asked a bigger question. Could you have a... But Cindy Reba was just so personally moved by her own personal role in singing the song in Wicked, that she was like,

holding space for me. Quit people have been holding space for, okay, not to be in Little Devil's advocate over here, but could you imagine someone saying like something like that to you and you reeling in your brain trying to figure out what the hell it means? I feel like that's also her. Oh, I think she knew what it meant. I think she was so moved by it. Everyone's like, what does it mean to hold space for the lyrics of defying gravity?

And I feel like... Her answer is also full of hot air, by the though. She did answer what holding space means. I forget in something. And the interviewer did. Well, we've been using it for 40 minutes. We obviously all know what it means. You know, we hold space for something.

Yeah, we hold space for it. I couldn't explain it. And I did ask my chat last night, like, what's everybody holding space for right now? And it was really cool because everybody kind of had their own answer. And often it was food because of that is funny. But also people are holding space, you know, for whatever is going out of their lives that's kind of consuming them or feeding them in some way. Which is honestly, it is a perfect viral catchphrase for the holidays. Yes.

Feel like a holding space is a fun thing to continue to make jokes about through the rest of the holidays. You know, it's a great video because any sentence from the video can be. its own meme. Like the shot of Cynthia Revo going, I don't know that was happening, is also a great reaction meme to anything. The finger hold is insane. The finger hole. Yeah, Gideon just keeps reaching over and occasionally just holding onto my one index finger until I notice. All right, here is what Gilchris said, holding space.

Holding space is being physically, emotionally, and mentally present with someone or something. For me, it means being in the moment, not being distracted and feeling something on a cellular level. I think you can hold space with lyrics of a one you've heard hundreds of times and it can suddenly take on new meaning when you're a queer person. I think that is a very good definition

for something that is very hard to explain. And I also think that means nothing. I am fucking nothing. I'm Apple Martining over here and I'm rolling my eyes till Timbuk 2. I'm gonna have to throw an apple at this one as well a little bit. Yeah.

I couldn't explain the phrase. It both means something and nothing. Yes. That's the whole video. The whole video both makes sense and it's the Schrodinger's cat of press tour interview videos. It's like it both makes sense

and absolutely none at the same time. And I can't, nobody can, because you, that's the funny thing about the phrase holding space. You can say it and you sort of go like, okay, sure, but no one actually knows what holding space means or at least everyone's just creating

their own definition of what it means. Of course. There is no true definition of holding space. It's like, holding space is essentially just like, I'm being obnoxious right now about something. But this is like, I feel like wicked.

embodies these contradictions because on the one hand, I do think it's hilarious to be like, yeah, we've all, we all know the, we've all heard the song because it's been existing for 20 years, but it has a new meaning now. But on the one hand, you can roll your eyes at that. On the other hand, everyone I know who's seen wicked, including you two, loved it and come out weeping about how meaningful it is. And so it sounds like it's, it's doing both. You guys went. You said you had a great time, right, Jackie? I loved it. Did you feel moved in a new way? moved away and everyone's like, Ariana. Are you holding space? Are you holding space? Areana is so great.

Ariana is so great. And aren't you upset? Aren't you upset? I'm like, no, because she's so like unlikable in the movie. It's like the perfect casting for her. What I'm worried for her is... Oh, we're going to talk about this and talking TV.

Oh, okay. You just hold some space for this fucking conversation. Actually, that was an article I should have posted in our articles is that Ariana Grande, for the fans out there, first of all, how do you even get through the fuck? How do you fucking get off if you're a fan of hers, okay? First of all, how do you get through the fucking day? But second of all,

But sorry if you are an Arianator, she does now plan to release a lot less music, if at all. Yeah, she wants to only do movies now, yes. She just wants to do specifically musicals. She only wants to do musicals. Yeah, Holden, didn't you see, she flew across the country to hold her known as hand while they watched Wicked together.

Didn't you see? Did you watch her movie? That's her her grown-up was like 14 years old when Wizard of Oz came out. That's amazing. I'm not even a defender of Ariana, but isn't that nice. She needs to check it. She needs to get the number of Nick Cannon's

therapist. That's all of that's all right. You know what she's going to do, Jackie? She's going to cast herself as adult cosette in lay miss. Oh my God. Don't you think? Oh, my God. I'd love to see it.

My problem, I'm worried for her. I hate Cozette. I'm honest. I'm honest. I know you hate Costa. I love how much Eddie goes out. I'm holding space for her musical theater career, though, because I will say, Glinda is so wonderfully unlikable and awful, just annoying and all the things she is.

And that's why I think that that role is palatable. I don't know. A lot of other roles, she could pull off in that same way. She's really going to have to be very particular. I think she's now like, oh, musical theater loves me. And I love musical theater. And then she's going to try to be someone who's actually likable in a show. Yeah.

She can't be fine. She's got to be cosette. Yeah. No, it's tough. And she's probably going to fall in love with some other got married guy

with a kid and you know what I mean at the next production it's just going to be production, production, married guy with the kid, married guy with the kid,

married guy with the kid, married guy with the kid. You know what I mean? It's going to be really busy. What an animal. Anyway, it's time for the celebrity conspiracy. Yeah, it is.

Hit me with a share. Do you believe it? This one comes in from Astrid who writes and I will say this gets a little dark so pull up the, pull up the straps. Pulled the Pampas.

I have a theory about why the queen killed off Diana. Whoa. Jimmy Seville affiliations, hear me out. She went to the hospital that was his main playground for sick kids a lot. And about a year after he died and everything came out, she died too. I think no one spoke up about it or the police buried all the stuff about Diana. And I'm sure the royals paid off the family. She directly affected or, hey, maybe those kids just died because they were in a hospital after all.

But wait, were all the royals working with Jimmy Saville? That's what I'm saying, bro. It's implicated, dude. I don't think it's implicated. I think it's definitely known that they work together. But Diana knew too much about what they knew. The royals already had to tarnished reputation with how close they were to Seville. The media whirlwind that occurred after stories published, people taking down his

gravestone and vandalizing it. I'm sure Diana was feeling more guilty every day. The guilt probably got to her and she may have confided in someone. I'm sure if people did enough digging something with. come up, but who in England is going to admit to it and have the biggest target on their backs of all time? I don't know. It's a pretty wild conspiracy theory, and people hate to hear it and will defend her until

the end of the earth. But how could someone who was with a man who would grab kids live on TV hiding it in a crowd of children? Be with them on multiple occasions. It's very dark. Maybe I'm just a crazy clinical bitch. Whoa. Can't believe someone held on that high of pedestal could be a good person.

Or maybe I'm just right. Star in advance to the absolute hate mail you will get if you share this theory. And I love how much this person thinks that they are now on a hit list. I love this. And hopefully Jackie's mother does a list of the episode if you bring it up because I could only imagine the angry phone call about it. The Princess Die Bear. Yours truly a gal with the most hated conspiracy theory of all conspiracy theories. And I just feel like Astrid, you need to talk to Nick Cannon's therapist.

Astrid, you need to know that the Princess Die Bear is. is our only, like, family heirloom. Yeah. So you can't take it from us. That mirror was complicit in helping cover up a serial predator. I would twist this around, though, and be like, you could still believe she's a good person in this situation, that she found out some shit and she was going to, like, go public with it.

And then she got God. And the world will know, and the world must see. I just imagine she was trying to do, like, a new one's, like, spin-off. And maybe she was about to break into song. And then they stuffed her into the limo. And they were like, we gotta go. You gotta go. And I imagine it had something to do with like a Princess Die newsies crossover.

And this is before Newsies came out. So really, she was predicting newsies as well. So, I mean, all of these reasons, she's got to go. Yeah. So I don't know. I would say I could still both believe this conspiracy and still think that Diana's a good person. And we avoid the mini email. But when do we really get many emails about Princess Diana in 2024?

People still that, like, beholden to her grace? People really like her. People probably don't like to think that she was in the bag for a sexual predator. Right. The Jimmy Seville stuff, I feel like I need to familiarize myself with that. But I don't want to. I don't want to. Yeah, I don't want to know.

All right. After the Jean-Beney documentary, you're going to get on that. More on that on talking TV, by the way. We'll be chatting about that. later on today. But yeah, I guess I just don't really care whether or not Princess Dye was a good person. Yeah, I agree. I don't think I need to care.

I don't think it goes into that folder of like, why do we care so much about the royals? And I don't even, like, I've enjoyed quite a lot learning about her. I've talked about, I've listened to the whole you're wrong about podcast series on her. That's really fantastic. And I've enjoyed watching the Crown's season about her. So I think she's a, the croon. She's a compelling person. It's why do we root for, like, the royals, like people root for, like, sports teams.

Yeah. It's not a sporting event. Like, Diana's, I'm sure, a flawed person. Yeah, but boo, Megan Markle. Yeah, but boo, Megan Markle. I love to boo, Megan Markle. I'm watching Say Nothing right now, though. And say nothing is about the troubles in Ireland.

Oh, I really want to watch that. Oh, my old world talk about talking TV is so good. I'm excited for talking TV today. I really want to watch Say Nothing. There's a shot where they... I watch Say anything just to balance it out. I'm like, nope. But there is a part where one of the IRA members says, like, basically one of the members of the Irish rebellion against the British says something like, it's not his fault when talking about somebody who had drawn the attention of the police was like, it's her fault and then points at a picture of Queen Elizabeth.

Whoa. Yeah. Yeah. If you want to hate the royals, say nothing is a very fun watch. Oh, I'll check that out. And so Jackie, do you believe that Princess Diana is, in fact, evil? Paidtseve a podcast at gmail.com. I mean, I can't because, again, Princess Die Bear, only heirloom of my family.

Can't be an evil there. I got to be pro die over here, but not pro-Def. It's your only shirt of heirlooms, essentially. It's my only shirt of heirlooms. Yeah, I've got to be pro-Diana over here. Pro-Di-Di-Di. All right. You can be a long before.

Involio. MJ page 7 podcast at gmail.com What is your answer? MJ MJ is the name of this co-host Page 7Pockets at gmail. Well, I never owned

the princess Diana bear So I guess it's because I knew She was an evil Sinister You're coming after my family's kitchen right now? I believe. I'll believe You can send the emails to me.

Send the emails to that one and I think she's great. I love her. Let's move on. Let's just be real. Anyone that is a part of the royal family, I'm going to say they're all implicated

and they're all probably doing bad things. Right? Yeah, that's why everyone was like, how dare you be mean to Kate? She's not, she didn't colonize any countries and it's like, okay, sure, but she's benefiting from all that wealth. She's definitely like in bed with it, though.

Yeah, she's like, oh my God, everything I asked for for Christmas. Yet again this year. Yeah, I wish, you know, Evil upon them. I'm just saying like, I mean, I feel like if you're, if you have that much power, no matter what, you're probably not going to be a good person. And I say a pox on other houses.

Whoa. But chicken pox. But chick a box. That's very pretty much of you to send, you know, illnesses to other people's homes. Yeah, just chick a pox. Just stay, watch Price is right. That's what I did when I was a kid. Man, Bozo the Clown and Price is right.

I have such a visceral memory of having chicken pox and staying at my grandmother's house and enjoying those two shows a lot, quite a lot. Oh, my God. All I know is that apparently I was two and Henry was five and we both got chicken pox at the same time. Oh, my God. Which apparently is they are wont to do and my mom still brings it up

as one of the worst experiences of her life. And, you know, sometimes you got to remember you can make memories for your parents all the time. She's in town. She's not, especially that I have a kid, She's in town and I'm absolutely going to ask her about that when I see her while she's here. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

How awful we were. But don't worry, guys. First, I'm going to get through the list. Oh, who's on the list? Jackie, got to have that list. Actors who originally turned down a role then had to be convinced to take it. Now, I did bring this up because I don't know why I thought that I was going to bring up the Wednesday parade float. that I was surprised that there was a Wednesday parade float in the Macy's Thanksgiving Day parade

was a little unsure about that. But apparently, Jenna Ortega initially passed on playing Wednesday Adams. Recently, she told Vanity Fair that she wasn't married to the job when she first found out about it. However, a call with creator and director Tim Burton, quote, made her want it more. She said, I got the email passed on it. I had done so much TV in my life. All I wanted to do is film. You have to prove yourself.

It's only in the last three or four years I've been able to start going up for film. I was scared that by signing on to another television show, it could prevent me from doing other jobs I really wanted and cared about. And it's just like, man, it's so insane that the business can still be like this, even though now that television is so prestige. And like, I dare say is taking over the film business, at least when it comes to like how much. I mean, I don't know that for sure.

I'm just assuming. But it's crazy to me to even think that the jump between TV and movies is still that difficult with how much there is. I was, it's funny. She's so young, but this feels like a much like an older generation's analysis of TV versus movies. Because, yeah, I feel like prestige TV is a better launching point to fame and success now. Right.

Than, or, you know, furthering your career necessarily than movies. Obviously, Wednesday has been amazing for her. I mean, she was doing fine. It's just always a thing, though. It's like there's still that weird divide where you are either a TV person or a movie person. And crossing over is extremely difficult. That makes sense. And then I think it's always the grass is greener, too, I think.

I think the movie people look at the TV people like, oh, that's steady work. That's so nice. You just, you can live in one place and just go to work and it's like normal, you know? Yeah, Mariska Haggerté, best job in all the show business. A hug on tape, please. Oh, my God. And then the movie, and then the TV people were like, oh, I want to be in the prestigious filmic experiences that everyone goes and sees and travel the world, you know, and be with

all these different, like, famous directors and work on my craft and not be stuck to one role, you know? That's the thing, like Richard Harris. Now, this goes shoutouts out to Rupert Grint, who just found out owes like $3 million in back taxes. All right, Ron Weasley. But apparently Richard Harris turned down playing Dumbledore in the Harry Potter film several times. He originally didn't want to play the role because he thought,

that's not how I wanted to spend the last years of my life. So I said no, over and over again. Eventually, his granddaughter convinced him to take the role. She said, Papa, I hear you going to be in the Harry Potter movie. And she said, If you don't play Dumbledore, I would never speak to you again. And so I guess if your granddaughter says that to you, you got to be Dumbledore. Pretty dark to be like, I don't want to spend the last years of my life doing this.

Yeah. And then he does it anyway. Like what Holden was just saying, I imagine a lot of people, especially he's a huge actor, like, of the stage and screen that, like, do you want to be trapped playing a role for a really long time? So it really depends on what, like, their stability. but then you're trapped. Right. So that's just what happens in this business. Or you're asked to do a reboot and you don't like what was given to you, like Glenn Powell.

Because after losing out on the role of rooster and Top Gun Maverick to Miles Teller, Glenn Powell passed on portraying Hangman at first. At the time, hangman named Slayer was a pilot who reportedly only found himself a top gun because of nepotism. In order to keep Glenn involved, Tom Cruise and director Joe Kassiz. Reworked the role for him, which is really insane. Like, Tom Cruise must have really wanted to work with Glenn Powell because that is almost unheard of. That's wild.

Wild stuff. To change the whole movie for an actor? And to make that kind of demand. I guess he didn't make a demand. It's not like maybe he wasn't like reworked the script, but to have the balls to be like, not doing it, just don't feel like that feels good on me. You know what I mean? That's like wild.

Yeah. And then they're like, we'll do anything. Also, I'm sorry, but you're going to re-work your whole movie for a, to me, slightly unmemorable actor. Oh, Shark Boy. You get to make you get that crazy confidence and you just say, hey, I'm, I'm literally fucking the hottest chick, you know, in Hollywood. I mean, not in real life, only in the movie.

Well, that's very still debutted. Many blind, many a blind. Many a blind. Many a blind. Now, I do love this. Talk about getting trapped. in a role Ellen Pompeo was initially hesitant to join Gray's Anatomy. She thought she didn't want to get stuck on a TV show.

Now that, I completely get it when it comes to Gray's guys. Like old school, gosh we've got it again. Gray's Anatomy, 21 seasons long. Boy, did she get trapped. But again, trapped with stability. Yes. So really does go against like, oh, it sucks. You know, you think about like the, not state farm, but the,

QD with the redhead with progressive. Is that what is it? God, now I can't even think of it. Flo. Flo. It's not a redhead, though, right? Flo. Oh, but then another one, yeah. Flo has signed a death of contract,

a death of career contract. Wow. Because she is Flo forever. She, like, signed her career away. But again, she made lots and lots of money to do it. And it does not seem like a lot of work. I mean, you know. I'll sell my soul.

fine. No, who wants it? You could shoot a national commercial in one day, and that thing's going to be playing a repeat. I mean, how much, and she does a lot of, like,

extra-ish stuff. Oh, yeah, all the, all of, yeah, all that, you know,

it's like, everything that, like, she's, it's still a lot of work, but still, it's stability, though.

Oh, yeah. And there are some people that don't want to be, I was thinking about this because we saw a gladiator two, and Paul Meskell openly has said many times he doesn't want

be famous. And I find that very interesting for a man that chooses to do a movie like Gladiator 2. But apparently Chris Evans feels the same way. He originally turned down the role of Steve Rogers slash Captain America when he was approached by Marvel. According to his mom, very cute, he was worried he would lose his anonymity and become too famous. Chris's mom told him it was ultimately his decision, however. She felt it would open up so many doors for him in terms of projects he could do in the future, never having to worry

about paying rent, et cetera. And obviously, he ended up doing it. Initially, the offer was nine pictures. But then it went down to six. Like, that's a lot, especially with Marvel movies, that's how many years of your life? Like, that is giving over.

And then on top of that, you got Gracie Abrams going, you're the risk I want to take. I love you. Sorry. Because she's fucking Paul Meskel. Yes, bro. And it's hot. I love you.

I'm sorry. But that's my list. Hey, that's a list that I can't see. Because me thinks me going blind. Items. Oh, we can't see them. The former villain and his friends are at it again. Every so often, they will hit some private room in a private club and smear feces on the walls and

call it art. Shit boys? A little bit of shit boy action. What do you think? Whoa. So they've done this before? This is usual shit boy action? This is some shit boy shit.

Who's a fucking dork in Hollywood that would do something like this? Who thinks he's artful? Derek Leto. Yeah. Yeah. Get it. Dude. Get it.

Get it. Yeah. Yeah. The former villain, I think, is referring to the Joker. Or it's morbentime. But either way. Or it's just real life. Was it his own shit or did he bring in the shit?

Yeah, maybe it's like exotic animal shit. You know, who knows? Oh, ostrich shit. Yeah, yeah. If I had a big old lump of that line around, I'd have to smear it somewhere. I'd have to put it a smear on it somewhere. It's a delicacy. Or do you think he was making in his own hands?

Maybe. Was it his own make? Well, they probably have special tools and gloves and things if this is a regular thing for them. Yeah, if you're the shit for it. I'm so upset about this news. No, I really don't like it. It's really upsetting. It's not surprising.

Worst than the Princess Diana stuff, to be honest with you. Yeah. Yeah. Email, page of podcast, page of podcast, gmail. Attention to holding. Holden, quote, space, McNeely. I believe that it's all wrong and that she's great. And all that.

So I'll give you the email. I'm about to give you the email of the person who wrote in. with it? No. Just a nightmare for them if they're listening to this and be like, and I just read off the email.

Like, what the fuck? Sorry to give you a heart attack, listener. We love you. That'd be so funny. God, I'd love to do that to you, but I can't because these lameos won't love me.

Listen, we don't want people to censor their conspiracy theories hold it. You want the weird. You beg. You beg them. You beg them for the weirdest, darkest, dirtiest conspiracy theories and they deliver, all right?

So thank you. Oh, my God. All right. Next up, this A-list singer slash sometimes actress who is annoying maybe embracing a relationship publicly to that whole situation.

Ariana and SpongeBob. Yeah, fine. I think this later, but she's back to hanging out. What's the idol? What is it? Yeah, what is it? They're just hanging out?

She just sucks. They're together. What do you mean? They're back to hanging out. hanging out? No, no, no, no. All right. You have

attracted from your own work. Yep. Here, hold it. Okay, I'll just read it verbatim and not add. You've gotten at your own way. I just get mad when I'm talking about and I start adding stuff.

It makes it confusing. Yeah, feelings are valid. But really quick before I start up again, she's awful, dude. All right, with the blind. This A-List singer-s-slican-s-sometimes actress may be embracing her relationship publicly,

but she's back to hanging out with the creepy north of the border actor and continuing their strange relationship. So Canadian actor, comedian. Huh? Jim Carrey. Yeah. Ariana hangs out with Jim Carrey.

There were blinds in the past. I don't know if I ever read off that they have like a weird relationship. Like a very just interesting, weird relationship, Arianna and Jim Carrey. So apparently she's canoodling. Wow, I'm going to break up a marriage. Right.

I'm going to be part. Don't come at me. She's part of breaking up a marriage. He broke up. his own marriage, takes two, but she's going to be half. More credit for doing it, because I think SpongeBob has like a brain, you know, maybe a weak brain is what I'm going to go. Like a munchkin.

Wow, like munchkin brain. I'll do anything for you, Linda. But she's going to do that. She's going to wreck that home, and then she's just going to go have a weird platonic friendship with Jim Carrey. Jim Carrey, who's definitely old enough to be her father. He makes life choices, you know. Oh, absolutely.

Ooh, God. and she's probably going like, Somebody stop me. SpongeBob, I've been going out with Ace Ventura. Yeah, I got to go, sorry SpongeBob, yeah, I got to go hang out with Ace. Anyways, last one. The fix was in long before the actual awards.

The one named country singer wasn't going to win because they think he is a one-hit wonder. How dare they scream at Shibuzi like that? Unbelievable. The CMA Awards, completely snubed Shibuzi, even though, a bar song Tipsy

was a massive hit this year. Huge hit. just hugely popular. In a year two where a lot of people were trying to make like cool country crossovers, you know what you mean? And succeeding to various levels, you had Post Malone's country album.

Beyonce's country album. Quinn Stefani just put out a country album. Like, everybody's putting out a country album right now. And, but the bar song, Tipsy was that like crossover jam that really like made a case for country being cool again. And the CMA Awards suck. a big dirty ass, just like Ariana.

Isn't that interesting, Ariana, how I had to come back to you again for another round two. You know what? You got a lot of nerve, lady. Whoa, but I will say, speaking of country, check out happy trails, which is Orville Peck just dropped a holiday song. Hell yeah. And it is great. Nice.

Nice. Yes. I'm wearing my Orville Peck's story that I got a tour right now. Nice. Love that. Well, anyways, that is the blinds, and now we can rewind to a different time when I could see. Now you can see. Isn't it magical?

And welcome back, Holden. And thank you so much to, I'm going to say thank you, Astrid. Put that book down, Holden. I don't want to see it. We've all seen. Taylor Swift's her outfits, her microphones, her guitars. Lord help us. Thank you guys for hanging out during the episode of,

page seven that you just listened to and I'm sorry that, you know, Holden was kept back from sharing the actual examples of what's going on in the Taylor Swift book, but maybe we'll get them. You'll never know. Maybe we'll never tell you. So come hang out over on our Patreon. Maybe you ruined it for yourself. Find out what's going on in the Taylor Swift book during the leftovers. You guys, I love you.

Happy holiday season. We've got, oh, Mariah Carey, she is thawed, but don't worry. her face still is unable to move. My name is Jackie Zabrowski. You can find me on Instagram at Jack That Worm. You can come hang out with MJ and I on Wednesday mornings. We play The Sims, and we have a great time doing it at Twitch.TV slash, oh, no, it's Jackie. And also check out my new show, Who's the Bitch, starring me.

And Kara Clank, and you can send in your own problems to who's the bitch. and that drops every Wednesday. I've got others, you know what? I'm gonna stop because I could talk forever. Holden, what would you like to plug? Sir, I need to buy this book for my husband, please. He loves Taylor Swift more than me. Yes, that's it.

Check me out. Twitch.com. Tv.4. Holdenators ho. Jackin with the Holies every Friday. It's always a blast. We're streaming for five, six hours on Friday, starting at 6 p.m. EST. Twitch.TV for

slash hold nators ho. Hold nators ho with two o's on Instagram. Please give me a follow. I'm still slowly rebuilding back to my old numbers after I was hacked. Holdenators ho with two o's on Instagram. I am trying to post a little more often, get some cute Thanksgiving moments

and stuff like that on there recently. Also, also page 7 on Patreon, patreon.com forward slash page 7 podcast. So much bonus content. It's insane. Page 7. I mean, we already said the email, a million times.

But also I need everyone to know this week I started a new Jackie's book club novella and it is called Santa is going to town dot dot dot on me. So if you are curious every Monday new Jackie's book club drops. Love it. Love that. All right. Yeah, I think that's it for me. M.J.

My name is MJ and I'm MJKL Kat on Instagram. And don't forget if you need a little bit of holiday spirit, come hang out with us this Sunday, December 8th, 5 p.m. Pacific Standard Time, 8 p.m. Eastern Standard Time, Twitch.tv slash Holdenators ho. But now we sing the shout-out song. Shout, shout, let it all out. These are the emails that you wrote it about. Come on. We're going to read them to you. Come on. Thank you, thank you, thank you for your shout-outs. and you can send in your own shoutouts to page 7 podcast at gmail.com because I love hearing from you.

And I just want to say, oh my God, thank you guys so much for how many people wrote in saying and sharing their thanks for Thanksgiving and sharing it with us. And I just want to say happy Thanksgiving to all of you. I am also so, so, so grateful for all of you. Anyone that is listening right now, you, I'm grateful. for you. And I just want to say thank you so much for being a part of our amazing community. Now let us continue on to the amazing shoutouts we have received. And again, you can sit in your own to page 7 podcast.com. I love you guys. Coming up first, we've got a Jeffrey spelled like my Jeffrey. It's a Geoffrey, but I don't know if you dislike Geoffrey. And I'm not saying that to you,

but I love a Jeffrey spelled like my Jeffrey. And I want to say, congrats, congrats, because Jeffrey said I wasn't going to do this. But after hearing you talk about celebrating ourselves, I said, fuck it. We'll do it live. This is a sassy Sunday self-suck sobriety shout out. Hell yes, Jeffrey. I've had a horrible drinking problem for about five years. Really picked up as the pandemic got worse.

but didn't stop when things got more manageable for the average able-bodied person. It ruined my life, my body, several jobs and relationships with those close to me. Around the end of September, I got a helpful Twitter reply from MJ about how people generally started making better decisions around 26. I'm 25. We'll be 26 in February. September 30th, I was at my absolute lowest. I could barely help my mom's boyfriend move some new, furniture into his house. I decided enough was enough and quit cold turkey. Dude, I haven't had a drop of

alcohol since September 30th and I'm 54 days sober as of writing this. Congratulations! I'm still smoking weed and vaping, but I figure I'll deal with one thing at a time. Listening to page 7, especially in that first week, has helped me tremendously. Nothing is ever easy, but your voice and a steady diet of old school runescape made it a little easier to handle. Sorry for self-sucking all over this self-shout, but this is the first time I've really been proud of myself in a long time. I love this. I'm about to start a stable job close to home. I'm actually taking care of myself, and I'm losing water weight. Alcohol can suck my cock and balls. And Jeffrey, you damn right. Also, I love this PS. P.S. Holden should advertise the new

channel slash Instagram account as Holdenaders, who like an owl. I don't think it'll help him very much, but he should just try it and you're right. And if you think people would find it easier, you're right, it is Holdenators, whew, like an owl. And love you so much, Jeffrey. Congratulations. My Jeffrey is sober too. And I'm so proud of both my Jeffries. I'm so, so happy for you. Congratulations. You got this shit. And keep going every day as a choice. Fuck yeah. Now moving on to a beautiful, beautiful shoutout from Jordan, because Jordan's got a triple shout out. Ready for the triple shout out. Thank you so much, Jordan, for addressing me properly, dearest Jackie, Taster of Pud, reader of emails. Thank you. I feel seen, Jordan. I, Jordan, come to you today to shout a happy 30th birthday to myself, my fellow artist and Sagittarian Mara and

Cat our Capricon Queen. I'm so glad we all moved to the same apartment building in the same city around the same time. Spending my mid-20s inebriated, running around Atlanta with you guys was a treat and a delight. Though we are now dispersed throughout the country, we remain united through page 7 and a few group chats. May we continue to share podcast wrecks and catpicks for years to come I love you, Jordan, and I love your friendships. P.S. also hi to my sister, Catherine in Florida. Hi, Catherine. P.S. Also, hi, Emily from Book Club. Fayebe is a love of Fayebe, and I love a shouter for a Fayebe.

And P.S. The piss of them all. I'm sorry, Caleb. You're not the piss of them all. But also, hi, Caleb. If you're home while I'm listening to this, we love you too, Caleb. And we love all everybody that got shouted out in Jordan's shoutout. Thank you so much for setting in your shoutout. I love the love that you are projecting, and it fills me with smiles. Love you, Jordan.

Happy holidays to you and everybody in your shoutout. And last, but oh, certainly, definitely, never least. We've got the beautiful. The imperialist, that's not the word I wanted to say. I don't know. Wimsycle, effervescent. None of these things I would probably use to describe butt bags, but I love you, dude.

Butt bags, the butt bags from chat has written in, and butt bag says, what's up? You already know who this is. It's the big old bag of butts. Old butt bag, McButs 420. You can docks me and say my real name. I won't do it. And I'm writing in because I have a shout out to a very important person to me,

who is entering a new chapter in their life. And my God, I couldn't be happier for them. What? No, butt bags, it's you. This is a jape. You're, this is japery. I had to pause because I got so excited. I spit all over myself, butt bags.

Yeah, this spits for you, baby, because your shout-out goes out to Jackie. It's japery. Congratulations, bach. I am so happy you found out that you're actually Jack Zigg, or a female identifying Danzig, named Jackie. Like if there was a motherfucker who hated sleeves as much as you do, it's fucking. fucking Glenn Danzig. No, honestly, I kid because I love you. But that's some horny music. How? You damn right. And I decided I approve of you and only you singing when you see Wicked. Thank you, butt bags. I needed this. Oh yeah, I guess I could do a self shout up because you deserve it, damn it, about finally finding a job that grants me financial independence, security and then some. I'm so proud of you butt bags. But I don't really want to pat myself on the back. Why? I want to want to. Who am I holding? Ha! Butt bags! Anyway, if I get my awesome bonus on this check, I'm flying out for Classy Night Out and we're doing shots, bitches. That's awesome. I can't thank you,

Holden and MJ enough for all the hours of soul-filling you guys have done for me. I wish you nothing but love and success. And right back at you, bitch. I wish you all of the love and success. You desperately deserve. I'm sending you so much love for the holidays. And thank you so much for always being such a beautiful, wonderful part of our chat. And man, I'd do anything for our Twitch chat. I love you guys so much. And I love you butt bags. Happy holidays.

And happy holidays to everybody. Guys, we're going to get through it minute by minute. Second by second. I don't know if you hear my little crackings of my little thinking putty here. Me and the thinking putty. And together we will get through the holidays. I love you guys so much. Thank you for sending in your shoutouts to page 7 podcast at gmail.com.

And thank you guys for just always being here. Love you so, so much. And again, I'm grateful for all of you. We'll be back next week. Bye, everybody. This show is made possible by listeners like you. Thanks to our ad sponsors. You can support our shows by supporting them.

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