Page 7 - Episode 115: Going Clear

Episode Date: May 10, 2015

It's an all Scientology episode on Page 7 today as we dicuss the HBO documentary Going Clear and how it completely changes our views on John Travolta. Subscribe to SiriusXM Podcasts+ to listen to new episodes of Page 7 ad-free.Start a free trial now on Apple Podcasts or by visiting siriusxm.com/podcastsplus. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Everyone is owned. No one can make their own decisions. Oh, welcome to page seven, everybody. My name is Jackie Zabrowski. My name is Molly Nethel, and sometimes I don't know when the show has started. Yeah. And I'm Marcus Parks, and we all saw going clear. Don't trust anybody.

Nobody. Nobody. Nobody. Man. I am going to go ahead and start off Right up We got to say We're going to say right now

We are doing an official about face We are changing our editorial stance On John Travolta This is a big day for all of us Big day This is like reversing almost two Three years of precedent Yeah it's like

It's like saying that Titanic is going England No no no it's coming back to port We're not going to let it sink we're taking it back to fucking port, man. Yeah. It is rough. I plead for everyone to watch going clear. It is on HBO.

I think this is the second time I've talked about it today on a podcast. I'm sure this will not be the last podcast on Cape Comedy Radio where you hear about it because it is influential. Yes. Because it is a must see. Because people are living

in fear in a cult that is owning Hollywood and owns John Travolta. That's the saddest thing. I know we've talked about a little bit before, but it has been officially confirmed that the Church of Scientology has used John Travolta's audits,

which audits are confessions, that may or may not be actually true. They are using his file to blackmail him to keep him in Scientology. The man wanted to leave 30 years ago after his friend Spanky was put into a prison camp and her baby almost died. Poor Spanky and she knew she was like,

John Travolta was my friend. He wanted to help me. It's terrifying. Yeah. It's so terrifying. And right, and now I feel, I've gone from feeling a bit of like a condescending laughter

towards John Travolta and Tom Cruise to feeling like deep, deep, not even pity because that's too condescending, but like, Sympathy. Empathy. Like, we got to get them out of there. They're trapped. And what the movie does so well is make it clear how this could happen to a lot of normal people. You know, like in the beginning I was like, but who would buy it? And then they make it so clear how easy it is to buy.

Like all cults, I guess. Yeah, because anyone that's looking for, they're looking for something. Looking for something. And like a cult is able to make you think that they have what you're looking for. And especially if you have the money and you're giving money towards this cult But I think specifically with John Travolta It's not that he gave all of his money

Towards Scientology Which it is for a lot of the people That are entrapped in it because they have nothing else They've given so much money towards it But John Travolta Wants to get out They showed it in the documentary And he is unable to because of whatever

They have on him And the auditing tapes And I am a firm believer that they are able to make you say things that you didn't do or things that you didn't think. And it's terrifying. So it's kind of like psychoanalysis, kind of, except that Elron Hubbard hated Freud and like psychology, psychiatry, everything.

Any psychiatry whatsoever. In fact, one of the reasons why Scientology broke up Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman was because Nicole Kidman's father is a well-respected psychiatrist in a. Australia and they labeled him as a... Suppressive person. A suppressive person.

And they labeled him as a suppressive person. They labeled Nicole Kidman as a PTS, a potential trouble source. So what they did, yeah, and what they did was they split them apart and in the process of splitting them apart

took their two children, their two adopted children in brainwashed them. into hating Nicole Kidman, they don't even talk to her anymore. They still don't. Yeah. Which I think is interesting. I was watching a documentary and they were talking about this.

I didn't even know that Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman had adopted two children. I didn't know that either. Because you have not heard about them in what, 15 years? I had no idea. Because they must be absorbed into Scientology. They're not allowed to speak out. They don't exist to the public eye. As far as I was concerned, the only child Tom Cruise had was Surrey.

Yeah, I did not know. Especially because, like, there was that whole thing when they had Surrey that was like our first child. Like, Tom Cride. No, it was the only one that actually came out of his test tube semen. Yeah. And if you want to hear something even more fucked up, the kids weren't even allowed to go to their grandfather's funeral. The psychiatrist, Nicole Kibman's father, died of a heart attack last year, and the kids didn't go. It's all, I have never, I didn't know that I could feel such, such sympathy for John Chavold to end Tom Cruise.

Same, yeah. It completely, it completely changes, completely changed my stance towards. I thought they were completely willing in being in Scientology. But you know what? I, I don't feel as much sympathy for Tom Cruise. Tom Cruise is like a power hungry bastard. I think Tom, I think, I actually don't feel any sympathy for Tom Cruise. I think Tom Cruise is in it

A thousand percent And he fucking loves it Because the movie definitely portrays him as like He was like Miss Cavage Who was like the new leader after Al Ron Hubbard Like it portrays Cruz As his like right hand man Like Miss Cavage was sculpting him

To be the like big leader of it Yeah but then why did he separate From Ms. Cavage for all those years That is true That is a very good point though Yeah Nicole Kidman took him You know, Nicole Kibben kind of took him away from that,

but you got to wonder, did Tom Cruise want to go away from it? I mean, it was definitely a lot easier. The decision was made for him, and I feel like that's a big thing about celebrities in Scientology is that all of their decisions are made for them. Yeah. They have no option of what they're doing. In fact, in the documentary, there is a, I can't remember his name.

Jason was his name. There's another celebrity that speaks out that was a big part of it, which like I saw his face I was like I've seen you in a million things Jason Baggie Yes Yeah he was in Thelma and Louise Oh okay

And G.I. Jane He's been but like he's also like a character I feel like I've seen him all over the place Yeah He's in a lot of TV shows He's a TV guy And his His career was mapped out for him

They were like no you just need to stay in this And you know we're going to get you this We're going to do this for you And when celebrities Become involved in Scientology they are given a golden carpet into being a top celebrity. Yeah, I mean also like, listen, being an entertainer, being a celebrity is like really emotionally taxing. Having somebody guide every single minute of your life through it would probably be really soothing to be like,

oh, I don't have to make any decisions. Someone's in charge of me. Like it would probably be like relaxing to be like, I don't have to do that. Because making choices as an adult is shitty. It's the worst. I don't want to make any decisions. Yeah, I want to live in a building where everybody tells me what to do. And I don't have to think.

That sounds, I can understand the allure of it, you know? A thousand percent. That's the weirdest part. Yeah. Actually, Ragnar, listener Ragnar, friend Ragnar, made a really good point about Tom Cruise and his film career, how it sort of mirrored what was going on. during the time that Scientology was trying to drive Nicole Kibbon and Tom Cruise apart,

they made eyes wide shut, which is about them being in a secret cult and their relationship falling apart. Same year, he was also in Magnolia, and he played a quasi-cult figure being confronted about his secrets. Interesting. Very interesting stuff. But that was where he was having a divide with Scientology, because they openly said in the documentary that like when Eyeswold,

but Chet was going on, they had no control over Tom Cruise. So maybe that was his cry for help. Could be. And then he got sucked back in. It's insane. They own everything. You can't get past them. Once you're in it, you can't get away from it.

I don't think they own as much as you think they do that. I think they own it. Well, I think they've shifted their, I think they've shifted a lot of their influence over to, like, landownings. At least that's what it made it seem like in the movies. But that's where they make all their money. Yeah, they make all their money, but their membership is really low. But that's scary all the landowning because I was like, as I was watching it, I was like, okay, so this movie's coming out.

Like, everyone, many people already know they're a joke, right? Like, their reign is ending, right? Like, their membership is low. Like, it's impossible to actually look at them and take them seriously unless you're in it. And I'm like, okay, so, like, you know, things are going to wind down for them. And then they went to say how much land they own all over the world. And the fucking land owners own us. People who own land own everything.

Like you have power if you own land. That's just how it is. Yeah. I mean, the only hope that we have. And by the way, those land assets, $3 billion. The Church of Scientology is worth $3 billion. The only hope that we have, I know this is weird to say, but our only hope is the IRS. But I guess that's what I'm saying.

When I'm saying they own everything, what I'm saying is that they have not only the money, but within all of their auditing sessions, they have enough goop on everybody that they do own everything. They are able to move the pawns to where they want them to be. And so in the movie, when they talk about how Scientology fought the IRS and Scientology won, which no one fights the IRS. IRS and no one wins, right? The IRS owns, I mean, if anybody owns anybody, the IRS owns U.S. citizens, right? Like, that, they'll bring you down. You can't really run that far from the IRS. They beat them.

They beat them. They beat them, but, you know, let's, okay, here's a list of well-known celebrity Scientologists. Besides Tom Cruise and John Travolta, there's not a whole lot there. What about Will Smith? Let's go, yeah, you got the Smiths. All right. The Smiths are pretty big, but the rest of them. Juliette Lewis.

Sure. Not all that powerful. Giovanni Ribisi, they were in the other sisters together. It becomes a Scientologist together during that movie. Isaac A's, sure, Shaft is a Scientologist. We all know that. Anyone who watches South Park knows that Isaac A's is a Scientologist. Kirstie Alley.

Really? Yeah. Oh, yeah. That's why she loves Sean Travolta so much. She's a huge Scientologist. because John Travolta turned her on to Scientology. Question, real quick. Remember when we, when Willow and Jaden did that funny interview

where they were speaking all that nonsense? Was that Scientology nonsense they were speaking, or was that teen nonsense? Teen nonsense. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I feel like it's teen nonsense that have been raised in a weird environment. Yeah, because as we learn in the movie,

kids born into Scientology are just raised in these communes. Yeah, like. It's real weird shit. Nancy Cartwright, we all know that, right? The voice of Bart Simpson? Yes. We all, yeah, she's... Bart was a Scientologist?

Big time Scientologist. In fact, she came and did a speech. I missed it because I was out of town, but she came and did a speech at Texas Tech where I went to college. And afterwards, she just set up a little booth and handed out Scientology literature to everybody. That's what I'm saying. It's like, these people are not like huge. I mean, some of them are huge crazy names, but think of the span of what they reach. Yeah.

You know, you think of like the voice of Bartson. You think of Will Smith who's over in another stratosphere. You think of John Travolta who's over here. Tom Cruise over here. Isaac Hayes who's over fucking up over here. It spans a big audience. And one of the guys who they talk with a lot, one of the former guys that they talk with a lot in the movie,

he was like a writer and producer who had credits on like a bunch of TV shows. Oh, no, he's won two. The guy. The blonde guy. Yeah, yeah. He's got a lot of credits. But the director they talk to, Paul Higgins. He's got three Oscars.

Like, he directed, he directed, he's the first screenwriter to write two best film Oscar winners back to back. He wrote million dollars. I mean, granted, he's awful. He wrote two of the worst Oscar winners of all time. He wrote Million Dollar Baby and Crash. But how did they win those fucking Oscars? Exactly. That's what I'm starting to think.

Crash is fucking awful. It is so awful. And he won both Best Original Screenplay and Best Picture. Wait, that's the guy with the glasses and the three gay daughters, or that's a different guy? Yeah, it's the glasses with the three gay daughters. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But that's also when we were talking about when Kanye did that big thing against Beck winning the Grammy for Best Album of the years. Like, why did he win it?

Because Going Clear was coming out. Because he's owned by Scientology because they were trying to get positive press. Yeah, and the Illuminati apparently doesn't have as much power of Scientology. What the fuck does that tell you? Man, that's fucking crazy. Listen, after learning what I learned about Scientology, I'll give it to the Illuminati. I don't know what they're doing. I don't know enough about them.

I haven't seen a documentary. Oh, you want to see a documentary? I'll show you some documentaries. I'll show you some documentaries. Trust me. All right. You show me those documentaries. Because after, I mean, I was telling Jackie, like, I had heard Jackie talk about

Scientology. We've talked about it on the show a lot. Like, I knew some of the stuff going into it. But seeing it all put out like that, I did not really realize how deeply sinister and really powerful it all was until seeing it in the documentary, even though I kind of knew

I didn't want to like really see it, you know? Yeah, man. Here's some more of them. Elizabeth Moss, Peggy on Madman. Whoa. Big time Scientologist. Of course, Jason Lee, we know him. Yes.

You have his mallrats? Uh-huh. Yeah, yeah. Edgar Winner. That's a real. weird one. Yeah. Fucking

Bada, Bada, Bada, ba, Bada Bada Bala Bala. Bha. I'm a little disappointed

because I fucking love this song. It was probably a Scientology of Cork got really fucking crazy.

Yeah. Well, I mean, it's always been pretty crazy. It's always been pretty crazy but when Ms. Cavage took

over, it got real crazy. Yeah, it got super crazy. Laura Prepon. She's in Orange is the New Black, the red-headed girl.

She was in Really, that 70 show? She's a hot lesbian, though. Super hot. I'm sad about Peggy Olson because she is a wonderful, whatever the actresses name is, Elizabeth Moss, right? She's great. And I know that great actors can have weird beliefs, but I just want to be like, no, Peggy, you know better. You stand up so much bullshit.

How do you think she got on that television show? But you can see through all those ad men's bullshit. You can see through these Scientology men's bullshit. That's what I want to say. Beck, I can totally give back a pass. He's a weirdo. He was raised in it. He is a lifelong Scientologist.

Apparently, his grandfather was a big wig in the Scientology family. He was one of those boat people. Yeah, he was a sea org. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They all dressed like boat people. It's very weird. Yeah, but those other people were actually just on a boat on a boat. Elron Humpert for a while.

Yeah. They were just on a boat. Because Ron Hubbard was like, I can't go on land. Otherwise, I'll be arrested by the IRS. Just scrubbing. They're just scrubbing. That's all they did. You know, if you'd listen to, if you watch a documentary,

it seems like most of Scientology is scrubbing shit. Manual labor. It's punishment. Yeah. Oh, and they talk about how they were punishing one executive by making him clean the floor of a bathroom with his tongue. Hell yeah. God.

Yeah. Gina Elfman's one. That's not a surprise. Oh, man, because of Krependorf's tribe. I bet that's what got her there. Chick Korea, jazz artist Yeah, that is true And you know, and I will admit

Manson, Charles Manson He was into it It was one of his many, many, many beliefs He was more, he cobbled together a bunch of shit But he liked Scientology I can under Another thing that the film did that was so good Was that it made it like when it was a new

culty thing In like the late 60s, early 70s, whatever early? Mid-50s is when it started. It started that early. Okay. So, like, it made it understandable how, like, cool, hip, like, happening people might be, like, oh, I could get into this.

It was, like, a self-help thing. And, like, you know, in the movie, they said it was, like, post, like, San Francisco hate Ashbury. Like, everyone was doing drugs, like, hanging out in, like, a cool, like, rad scene. And then that, like, kind of, like, got ugly because of all the drugs. And then Scientology was like a non-drug but still like cool hit. Yeah. How to get high without being on drugs.

Yeah. They used to tell people. And like all these cool people were in it. So it's like more understandable to me then to be like that people and it was a time in like social norms were changing. All this shit was happening. Right. So like yeah, people were searching for stuff maybe even more than usual. But and what I've never gotten about it like Jean-Troval.

Volta and Tom Cruz is like, well, who sees that and is like, I want to join it. But really, it's that people are stuck. Well, it's not like that, but the whole, the Zinu and all that, like, they're really crazy religious beliefs. Because for the longest time, you wouldn't get to know their actual theology, their actual creation myth until you had been in it for years and years and given hundreds of thousands of dollars. And it was like basically therapy, but with this weird extra like hypnotism of shit where

They would plant false memory. Exactly. And people talk about doing the auditing, and they would talk about, like, you would leave it feeling euphoric. Yeah, feeling great. You'd feel fucking amazing. And so finally, you get to a point, and they take you into a room, and they show you this handwritten document, handwritten by Elron Hubbard himself. And then they tell you that the Earth used to be a prison planet in which a space lord named Zinu ruled over it. And he put atom bombs into the volcanoes, and it blew everyone up.

and everyone turned into Thadens, which possess people, and you got to get rid of the Thadens. And then everyone's already fucking in it. And you're already in it, yeah. I mean, now we know, now, like, that Zeno thing, that's been out for a while now. A while. Like, that South Park episode was, what, like 10 years ago?

Something like that? Like, it was a long time ago. And even then, people in more esoteric circles knew that Scientology was fucking bat-chick crazy. Yeah, but also, the people that are really in Scientology aren't allowed to watch any of it. this stuff, aren't allowed to be involved in the internet, be involved in Delvin's so even if that stuff had come out, the people that were actually in it still had no idea that that stuff was going on.

They didn't know that that was part of it. Yeah. I mean, I can forget. I can definitely bring it back to John Travolta. I can forgive him for getting into it. Yeah, I can forgive almost everybody. He was so young. So young.

So young. And then now we just can't get out of it. Yeah, he was so young and he came right in. And they said in the doctor. documentary that he just booked everything. Like he just started like booking commercials and then he got in a welcome back Carter and then Saturday night fever. But the weird thing about John Travolta is that he had a huge career slump, like a decade and

like a decade long career slump. Like the 80s, he was pretty much gone until look who's talking. So I wonder what was going on then. But what I think is that if you watch the documentary around like the. You know, you said there was this woman named Spanky that was Travolta's. I guess it was his handler. She was the one that put him all the places that he needed to be. Like within, like, she was like the Scientology person who was like, Travolta's our guy.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. She was the one that essentially controlled him. She got into trouble for some reason. She got sent to a prison camp and her baby. She had a newborn baby with her. And the newborn baby got taken away from her and put it. into what they called the cadet squad or something like that. Because she was in Sea Org.

She was in one of the upper echelon parts of Scientology. So when you are in that, you're not supposed to focus on anything except Scientology, so they take your children away, put them into cadet school. And she was the one who said, like, she went down to see her baby, and the baby's eyes were all crusty, and the baby was skinny. She was in a urine soaked covered in fruit flies. Oh, my God. Can you imagine?

And there was like a, it was a theme throughout the movie, like people being like the Scientology, like the way that I left was when Scientology got between me and my kid. Yeah, a lot of people. And there was a time which they actually, they turned John Travolta against her where they said she, are they like, hey, you know, there's going to be this. Can you set up a screening, a private screening of Saturday night fever? And so she called up, you know, Travolta's people and said, hey, you know, can we do this? And he said, yeah, of course, the only condition is that he gets to see you.

And then they set up... Because he hadn't seen her for a long time because she'd been scurled away. Yeah, and he didn't know why. And so she takes the, you know, she actually sets the whole thing up. And then the Scientology people say like, no, you've got to call him and cancel now. And then that's when she planned her grand escape. She went. She called up John Travolta's assistant.

She went to, you know, get her baby. She went downstairs. She tricked the bodyguard and letting her get into a car and they drove off as people were running after yelling Spanky! Spanky! Come back! She peeled out of there and she was pregnant at the time too. Yeah, and John Travolta was not allowed to talk to her at all. That was the creepiest part too is that in the documentary

they were like, we asked to speak to John Travolto, we asked to speak to Tom Cruise, also other of the upper echelon people in Scientology and they all said they weren't able to be interested. interviewed for the documentary, which, you know, obviously, whether they wanted to be or not, they weren't allowed to. This is insane. This is a huge. This is huge.

It's huge. I mean, they got the spokesperson, the former spokesperson for Scientology who says all this shit. And now there's no spokesperson for Scientology. Yeah. Because they, I mean, who knows what the reasoning is other than, like, people, if we trust people, like, to speak for us, they're going to leave and then they're going to know some shit. I don't know. but they just don't even. They're like, they went from being like,

let's have a spokesperson to smooth all this shit over to just being like, no, we don't talk. Yeah, we don't talk at all. And then it's like specifically, which was not addressed in the documentary, is that we talked about this, I don't know, a few months ago, was that David Miscavage who runs Scientology now.

His wife went missing about a year ago. And there is no talk of it. She's gone. Yeah, man. And it wasn't brought up in the documentary. It is not. not something that anyone talks about. Where did she go?

She hasn't been seen in seven years. Was it seven years? Yeah. I think it was because we were talking about Katie Holmes and we were talking about like people going missing after they leave. Yeah. Scientology.

And like that was something what I like I didn't know the, like I know you had said that. And I believed you, but I had never like seeing it like all these people, they were beaten. They were putting prisons. They were disappeared. It really, we're not fucking around here.

amazing things that they say if the FBI would have raided the secret prison of these people were being held in and the FBI said, all right, we're getting out of here. They wouldn't have gone with them. They wouldn't have gone with them. They said like, we're here of our own free will. Like, yeah, we're not going to go with you. Brainwashing, brainwashing, brainwashing, brainwashing. And it's so insane that it's deep-seated into Hollywood culture where you think that's like,

oh, no, these are all millionaires. You know, they're all able to do what they want to do. do they they they but like think about all of celebrities no matter what whether in scientology or they're not every decision that is made by any huge celebrity is already made for them by somebody else yeah and in this case it happens to be Scientology decides it for a group of of Hollywood celebrities but every single big celebrity has no decision over what they do and what they're allowed to do. No.

And that's honestly also the scary part too. Yeah. Is that they have basically signed a pack with the devil, all of them. And there's no way out except for, it seems like what Spanky did, which is to just run. Yeah, but then your life is over. Yeah, right. I mean, then it's all done. So how can Travolta run?

Because they'll always know where he is. He can't. Yeah. What they do is we actually did a last podcast episode. episode on this, it's called gangstocking. And it actually did show some in the documentary where you'll have the squirrel busters. The squirrel busters. Yeah, you'll have like private eyes.

You'll have an actual community of people there to harass you and to make you essentially make you crazy. Like they make you believe that you yourself are crazy and it drives people to suicide. And Scientology is known for that. They're known for gangstocking people to the point where it actually drives. drives them crazy. They use things like ultra-low frequency sound waves where they'll blast your house with it and it affects you.

It affects your brain. You can't necessarily hear anything. And if you do, it's even like a really low hum and it will drive you fucking crazy. And it's stuff even as simple as like sending pizzas to somebody's house constantly. Following them constantly. And it's also things just as small as you can have like, all right, this person, this is their walk to work. you're going to have five people bump into them. You know, you're going to have, okay, this is their commute to work.

You're going to have five people cut them off in traffic. It's just doing these little things to someone's life to eventually pick at them and pick at them and pick at them until they're absolutely miserable and at the end of their rope and they fucking commit suicide. But that's the craziest part is that this guy, Marty, who was one of the heads of Scientology and they do in the documentary where they call people,

that leave Scientology squirrels, so the people that are going after them are called squirrel busters. What's so insane is not only did they go after him, they went after his wife and their kid, after that he left, but what really got to me was that they owned the house across the street from them.

Yeah. And they just watched them constantly. And like that's the greatest person. They can't really do anything to them. So what they do is it's like, it's more annoying. It's just an annoying. every single day that

why would you want to live with this that eventually like when he lashed out and like ripped the sunglasses off of somebody he got arrested. And there's nothing they can do about it really. I mean they can say they can call the cops but the cops can't house across

the street from them. Like they can't really do anything about it. It's just I mean it is for gangstocking is terrifying because you'll have one guy that may not you may not even know The guy that's fucking with you, he doesn't even know what he's doing. He doesn't know he's a part of this gangstocking, this conspiracy.

He doesn't even know who he's fucking working for. You've got five or six different guys that are working on their own, and they don't necessarily even know what's happening. Gangstocking is fucking terrified. We have to save John Travolta. How are we going to do it? It's not about that he's gay, where we have to save him. I don't care if he's gay.

Nobody cares of John Travolta's gay. That's the whole thing. Just come out. But that's what I'm thinking. What I'm thinking is I don't think it has anything to do with he's gay. I think it might have something to do with murder. I think maybe they got him to say things that either he did do or he didn't do. Yeah.

Because they have all of those auditing tapes on file. They have all of it recorded. I feel like they have other things to blackmail him with. And Marcus, I'm not going to forget it. When he said, what if something? Scientology, what if they killed Jet? Yeah. Yeah.

Because he wanted to leave. Yeah. It's very possible. That is insanely possible. Yeah. It is so possible. Yeah. It's extremely possible that they killed him because of that.

And the other worst thing, possibly worst thing, is that John Travolta actually killed Jet himself accidentally and told them during an honest. it and that they have on him but I think it would be much more likely that Scientology killed him out of the two the most likely situation is that yes he did die of an accident but

out of the conspiracy theories the most likely one is that Scientology killed him because Travolta wanted to get up I think that didn't even seem like a conspiracy conspiracy theory at this point right like they kill people well conspiracy theory is a much blind term true true yes just because something is a conspiracy

theory does not mean that it's crazy Yes, there are many conspiracies that are absolutely demonstrably true. Absolutely. I think that, yeah, but his kid had all those seizures and everything. I mean, he had a lot of medical conditions that he wasn't allowed to see an actual doctor outside of Scientology. So there was a general consensus that, like, Scientology killed him indirectly. Yeah, that is the general consensus. He wasn't able to get the medication that he needed to get.

And he had autism, too, right? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. No, no, no, he had a lot of mental problems. And it is, yeah, it is possible that John Travolta was going to get out and said, damned, I don't care what you're going to do to me. My son needs help.

And they fucking killed him. And he's got another kid. So we're thinking if it's got two other kids, right? I think so. He's got a baby girl. If it's not. Yeah, that's right. They're making Gummy Bear the movie.

Because when I was watching the movie, I was like, oh, the reason that John Travolta is so trapped and that he never left is because it came. out in an auditing session that he's gay and they had and he didn't want it to come out and so they had him like you know under a barrel or whatever but but but you're thinking that maybe other stuff worse it has to be more than that it has to be worse stuff because it's fucking 2015 man if he if john travals telling jackie this early if john travolta came out right now he would have a third career because you know the second career came after pulp fiction you know the first career of course welcome back cotter sat around fever second career Pulse, Greece, second career, pulp fiction and broken arrow, I guess. Face off. And then his third career, he could be a hero. He could be a civil rights hero for coming out. A thousand percent.

He would be revered across the world. He's too scared. It has to be something else. He has to be something else. Unless people are, unless he's got all these Scientology people like whispering in his ear telling him like yeah if you came out like your entire life is ruined your wife's life is ruined but it could also be another thing that he doesn't want to make kelly preston look like a fool we also do we did learn in the documentary that or maybe we knew before um but it does say in the documentary that it is an

explicitly homophobic hateful like they do not like gay people consider it uh homosexuality and illness so so that you know if you're if you're that deeply indoctrinated obviously that has if he's been in it for this many years. Obviously, he's probably internalized that, just like people and many other people have, right? But, yeah, I mean, it makes sense that there's something, something bigger than that, because obviously he's trapped. He can't leave.

Yeah. And he also, you know, they bring it up in the documentary. He kind of owes him. He owes Scientology, you know, for getting him all these parts, for his career, and for using their muscle. Anytime there was any sort of rumor come out or anything. like that. The Scientology lawyer swooped in and quashed that shit

real fast. I don't know. What are we going to do? I don't know what we're going to do. We need to rise up. How are we going to say that? What was the song? Leel Lalee we stand up. Leelulo Stand up. Oh, man. What was that awful, awful song?

It was really bad. Why would anyone get behind that song? There was a couple... We stand tall. That's what it is. Oh, let's hear just a little bit of this. Yeah, David Miskavich had this song written after they beat the IRS saying that like,

it's because we stand tall, that's why we beat the IRS. Not because we own everybody. Yeah. Where's the lolly-louly part? This is all. lies. Is it coming up? It's right at the beginning

when they're Leloo You know the part I'm talking about it. I do know the part you're talking about. Oh my God. They just showed a picture of John Travolta cut in a sheetcake

in the video. Also, can we talk about the conferences they have? Oh, Jesus. and how Nazi-like they are. Pirates, but they're really Nazi-like. They are. Oh, my God.

The big one that he had, like, the Hollywood ball, that was some Nuremberg shit right now. I couldn't believe there was not, like, a HIL! They didn't have any emotions, but I felt the Hiles. Meets gavits! Man. And, like, you would get up there, and people would just scream,

and then, like, they would just have a bunch of, like, pshu! Yeah! We stand tall. Like a huge multi-level stage. with only one man standing on it. Because that's what he wanted. He wanted one man, big stage.

He's fucking crazy. Yeah. How is this? And like that's the weirdest part. So think about how many like crazy religions there have been. How many different things there have been. There's usually a coup. Usually at some point the main person gets murdered.

That hasn't happened. This man deserves to be murdered. I don't know how because they so. fear him. Yeah. Because he put the fear, because in his mind, he put the fear of God into all of them because he is equivalent. And like that's, that's something that Hitler and Stalin didn't have.

Yeah. That's above them. People tried killing Hitler and Stalin. Many times. In within their own organizations. Many times. And this has not happened with either Elron Hubbard or David Miscabbage. What does that say?

Elron Hubbard lived until what, he was 78 years old or something like that. No assassination attempts. Had a stroke. David Miscavich, he's another lifelong Scientologist. El Ron Hubbard brought him under his wing when he was like 11. So yeah, I mean, this is a fucking insane, crazy megalomaniacal asshole. Yeah. Insane.

And the videos of Elron Hubbard, you know, obviously David Miscavich is probably the biggest creep of the movie. but Elron Hubbard, boy, that guy had a demon smile. We haven't even talked about the piece of shit that El Ron Hubbard was. Crazy, crazy. Fucking pistol whipped his wife while she was asleep because she was smiling. And he thought that she was dreaming about another man. Yeah, her diary or whatever they were reading. I was like, oh my God.

He called her up and told her that he had cut their daughter into pieces and it was her fault. And then called her back and told her that the baby was. was okay. He was kidding. He was just a plain of goof. And she got the baby back. Thank God. Yeah. She got the baby back. She got the fuck out of there. Oh. Small blessing in the movie. That lady got out. That lady got out. Yeah. Small thing that she got out. But at least...

David Miscaravage's wife did not get out. No. She's dead. Well, she got out. She's a dead. She's so dead. Maybe they've... Maybe they've put her on a ferry to... You know, maybe she's on a farm somewhere. With other people just like her, she's able to roam free. Yeah, I've heard that fucking story before. That's where my childhood dog is.

On a prairie. Being able to eat all the dog food she wants, able to catch a rabbit. She wanted to catch a rabbit. She doesn't have to live inside the gates anymore. That's where David Miscavage's wife is. On a prairie. Okay

All right It's time for the list Do we even need to do a list Can we talk about anything else? I don't know Can we do blind items to there? Is there a Scientology list? I mean I kind of already did go through the list

of famous Scientologists Maybe I can find more It's just all upsetting It's just oh God you can't I mean I was We stand tall You can't, you watch it

And then you're just like, I'm stunned I can't think about anything else I sent out an email last night To Molly and Marcus I was like, you must watch this Because I was watching it last night I was like because I can't I won't talk about anything else

This is it is all I've got on my brain I was watching it while you emailed that I'm so happy It is time for the list Who's on the list Is a Scientologist Yes gotta have that list Got to keep that list and keep track of everyone on the list.

Keep it tight. Keep it on under my camera. Today's list. A list of Scientologists. Oh, is it back in John Travolta? Here's some surprising ones. The prostitute and Easy Rider, remember they fucked in the, what is it?

Karen Black. They fucked in the graveyard while on acid. That was a good scene. Scientologist. Is it because of the scene? because after that I'd be weird too Sunny Bono Oh did he die in a skiing accident

Or was he too happy with Cher And was it because his child was a man on the inside I don't know Interesting I didn't know he was a Scientologist Yeah well I mean it was only revealed after he died That he was Secret Scientologist

Did Chaz get raised Scientologist or no. Hopefully, Chaz got raised just whatever religion share is, which is hopefully a religion where a share is the god. Yeah, I'd get in on that. Danny Elfman. No, wait, Richard Elfman,

Danny Elfman's brother. But not Danny Elfman. But not Danny Elfman. But what did Richard Elfman do? He's a writer and director. Oh, okay. And magazine publisher. Interesting.

I wonder how Danny Elfman feels about this. Oh, you probably wrote the, you know, They're probably not allowed to speak. All the music for a hook and then everything was fine. Yeah, but they're probably not allowed to be friends. Huh. He directed Forbidden Zone. Whoa.

Man, Forbitten Zone is, I think, part of the reason why I'm weird. I'm going to throw it out there. Forbidden Zone is one of the weirdest movies I've ever seen. I saw it way too young. And I saw it over and over and over again when I was way too young. Oingo Boingo did all the music for it. That's right, because both Danny and Richard were in Owingo-Boingo. Interesting.

But that was before Richard got into Scientology. I'm not sure about that. I just remember it was the first day. It was like a French girl that would like run around with their tities out. And I would watch her with Henry would be like, oh, that's why you like this movie. All right. Who else we got? Anyone fun?

Is it John Travolta? He found all the fun people in Scientology. It's about eight of them. Christopher Masterson. Don't know him. Also in that 70s show. Hyde. Ooh, sexy?

Yeah. There's a sexy in Scientology? In fact, he is a super outspoken member of Scientology. Really? Is he the one who's twins with the guy from Malcolm in the middle? I'm pretty sure. No. I'm pretty sure.

He was the one with the wore the sunglasses. He was always stoned all the time. And the curly hair. Yeah. Yeah, he was twins with the guy from Malcolm. I never watched Malcolm in the Middle. Yes, actually, you was. You're right, you're right.

Yeah, he was Francis on Malcolm in the middle. Christopher, he was. Christopher Masterson was the, was in Malcolm on the middle, or on Malcolm in the middle. Danny Masterson, his brother was on that 70s show. So, yeah. So the one on Malcolm in the middle is the Scientologist. They're both Scientologists.

They're both Scientologists. Are they both just as sexy? Double the trouble. Yeah, the other one's sexy. Are they fraternal or are they on the face hole? If they're fraternal, they're like the Olson twins where they basically are identical. Because Hyde is fuckable, even though he's a Scientologist. The other one is fuckable.

Although now when I try to picture him, for some reason I can only picture Neil Patrick Harris. Brian Preston. He does look a lot like Neil Patrick Harris. Okay, good. Thank God. I was like, why can I only picture Neil Patrick Harris? He's not a... twin.

It's her. It's just like the idea of a person in Scientology makes my pussy go dry like the Sahara. Yeah. Like I couldn't, like if I found out, it's like I could be in the middle of like a hardcore like, ooh, I'm a fuck you session. And then like I'll find out he's a Scientologist to be like, uh-uh, no, thank you. I'd rather have sex with this broom. Yeah, you don't even want to share anything with that person.

No, I don't. Priscilla Presley. Oh, yeah. Everybody knew that. They mentioned her in the in the documentary. Yeah, yeah, she's just kind of, I mean,

naked gun was a great trilogy. But also it's like Presley's, you know, they had a rough time. They did have a real. Yeah, they were lost. They were lost. They're a lost people.

Yes. And finally, I think you'll appreciate this one, Molly. Greta Van Sustern. No. I don't know who this person is. She's a TV host. Does she Fox News?

Yes, she's Fox News. She's like an angry, conservative woman. I'm too busy having You Are Not Alone stuck in my head. I don't know her. Okay. She... You're not alone. You know what? My opinion of Grandin of Ancestrian was already unfavorable enough that this doesn't even tip the scale.

And is added into that column. Well, and how... Wait. Oh, that's Lisa Marie. Yeah. I'm thinking of Lisa Marie Presley and you are not alone. Remember, right? In the music video...

Wait. Which one is... Are they... Michael Jackson? Which one is the one who married Elvis Presley and which one is the daughter? Are they both the daughter? Lisa Marie, I know, is the daughter. Yeah.

Priscilla married him? Yeah, Priscilla married him. No, is Priscilla? Yeah, personally. You and Not Alone. Except for maybe early Jackson 5, except he was a child. Well, you're a creep. You just announced yourself as a creepice, Molly.

I didn't mean it that way. I mean he was cute as a young, like, don't stop until he get enough. Like when he was like 18. Well, that's drawn a line there, Molly. Because I don't know if you mean 18-year-old because I think you mean 12-year-old Michael Jackson. I didn't mean child Michael Jackson. I meant Jackson 5. The Whiz, Michael Jackson?

Yeah, I mean, like, pre-skin lightning and surgery. But you didn't even talk about the fact that they're making the whiz into a musical television. They're making into a live musical. That's the next live. You know how they did Peter Pan line? And it kills me because they're ripping off. Well, they're not. I just want to do the MIS.

I support this idea so much. Did I tell you this that I rewatched Les Mizz? And I was like, Jackie's idea is so good. It's a great idea. It's such a good idea. I don't know enough black people. I mean, what am I going to do? Have Kevin Barnett be John Valjean?

I don't think so. Germain Fowler or Jean Valjean? No, Germaine could never be a Jean Valjean. You'll be master of the house. He'd be master of the house because definitely he's not going to be a Jarver. We can all the auditions. There's a lot of talented singers. I just don't know enough of them.

Yeah, we don't just have to like just call in favors. We don't have to just call in the comedians we know. We're looking for singers, dancers. actors. Yeah, Kevin can't sing. No, of course not. But I think you would be great as the Master of the House's wife,

which so he and Germain could be that. Germain would be the Master of the House, though. That would be good. Master of the House, keep other keys. I'm not going to get into the entire song because I would if I could. I know you would.

I didn't even talk about bloodlines, a Budline, which everyone has to watch. It's on Netflix right now. Oh, yes. It's fucking. good coach taylor is in it i know i want to see it for that reason norbert leo butts is in it he plays his younger brother and he is the main in the last five years which everybody knows i love and he's also in wicked and he was also in red so i norbert butts norbert leo butts don't

make fun of him marcus because he is you i will cut your face off jacky's very emotional right now i I love Norbert Leo Butts. Ladies and Ella, this is this is Norbert Buds. No, my name's Norbert Leo, but. You meet him. He is a fantastic person. Jackie just listed at both. I have met him before.

Jackie, you know when someone's listing Wicked and Rent and Fannie and Fannie? The last five years. It's a lot of years the main one. Doing a lot of self-fanning. He is amazing. Jackie's inter-the-eater kid just came out. He is amazing. And I haven't seen him in a fucking television. vision show and now he's on with

Coach Taylor and it is a masturbation factory since he's SpaceX in it yes and so is Linda something something something from freaks and geeks and Carlini and it is set in the Keys and it is a mystery

and I want to live in Florida Keys I want to get out of fucking New York and every time I watch an episode of it I'm like I hate it here moving back to Florida yeah I want to move to the Florida Keys and I want to be around Coach Taylor so God, he's so hot. He's a sheriff in it.

And, oh, and he wears white shirts and he's so tan. I need him in bed with me. He plays pretty good police officers. Good God. Like Super 8. He was great as, like, dad cop and Super 8. Wolf Wall Street grades of FBI agent. He's in Wolf of Wall Street?

Yo, yo, yo, yo, yo. Well, I watched Wolf of Wall Street before I had seen Friday Night Lights, so I didn't put it together. I grilled Henry about it. Did Henry get to meet? him? He had a conversation with him about hummus. That's hummus. I knew it was either hummus or burritos. It was hummus and they both really liked

hummus and I was like, I like hummus too. Oh my God, I like hummus too. Tell him your sister likes hummus. You just imagine you like you like hummus? Great. Mm-hmm. Well, I like I like hummus too. Okay. It's just good. I'm throwing it out there. It's just good. I've never been to Texas, but I thought he had a great Texas accent.

I am from Florida. his Floridian accent is spot on. His Texas accent is spot on as well. He must be from the South because to know the different dialects of the South, his Floridian accent is spot on. Holy shit. He's from, ah, he moved to Georgia at the age of 11. Got to have.

He is sex on a plate. But you're right, every state even in the South has a different. They all are different. And Florida is a very. very specific accent and he just nails it. Oh, that's so hot when somebody can nail an accent. He's so hot. Holy shit, he's also Broadway actor.

Don't. Are you talking about Norvilleville? Oh, shit. No, I'm talking about fucking Kyle Taylor. I don't want to hear about his real name. His name is Coach Taylor. Oh, wow. Oh, he was in the same play that I was in.

What was he in? Picnic. He played, yeah, he was him and Ashley Judd. We're in William Inges. picnic. I was in picnic in high school. I played Harold. I just want to kiss him. Just like once. His wife in this is like...

Is she any Tammy Taylor? I mean, she ain't no Tammy. But I... But my significant other walked in while I was watching it. And he was like, are you watching Friday Night Lights again? Because it was a sex scene between him and his wife who was just another hot woman with long, like, dirty blonde hair.

It wasn't Tammy because she'll never be a Tammy. But this girl could definitely be his daughter. I'll throw that out there. Ooh. See, that's what I like about Tammy Taylor. She's his age. I know.

And still fucking. It's fiery. Hot. Hot. I love Coach Taylor. And I love Tammy Taylor. I love them so much. They're my favorite.

Watch Bloodline. Okay. I will. I would highly recommend this. Really been on an authority kick. You know, he's a Friday Night Lights, then Super 8. And then Argo. He was also an Argo.

Didn't see it. I'll watch it now, though. And he was in Zero Dark 30. I mean, the man's fucking doing, like, authority all over the place. I mean, he does have a bit of an authority guy face. Totally. An authority you'd respect. Yeah.

I mean, the man told me to go run 340s. I'll fucking go run 340s, and I'll do him under 4-4. Tell me to take off all my clothes. I'll take them all. We want different things from the man. Good. I want him to inspire me and motivate me. He'll motivate me.

do a lot of things. It's rough. Like, I can barely watch him on the screen. I'm having a difficult time. It is a great show, but good Lord. I'm going to watch it. All right. We'll watch it.

We'll all watch it. Once I get cable back, I'll watch it. I got my cable back. Cable back. Boob. You know why? Because earlier we said the sentence that she got her baby back,

and my brain immediately went up. Baby back. baby back. I apologize. I apologize. I blame the woman who got her baby back from San Diego. What's up? I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Get in my belly. When I say baby back to you, what do you think?

Bud. I've got corns in my shit bigger than you. Bud. I'm not always. Wise. I'm not always quoting commercials. Wise ROR

Thank you everyone for listening Thank you very much This has been our Scientology episode I mean Don't come after us We couldn't get Bass said And then we started talking about Kyle Chandler And Lord knows

I can't talk about anything else I mean he wanted to throw Wrigons in there But that's Scientology if you come after us We'll stick Kyle Chandler on you So don't Oh yeah I'm gonna stick them right

I'm my fucking weird. Now you get away from page seven. Get away. And wait until true detective's second season starts. And we'll start talking about Regans again. It'll be fine. Yeah, we'll get there. Yeah, Regans.

You forgot about him. I got to get out of here. I am hot and bothered.