Page 7 - Episode 317: Smooch Party

Episode Date: August 22, 2019

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grow up to be cowboy. Make guitars and drive them old trucks. Let them be doing such, which doesn't mean they're better, just means they're different. Mollies, don't let your babies grow up to be cowboys, because they'll never stay home and they're always alone. Even with someone they love, which makes me want a cowboy even more.

Always alone. Welcome to page seven. and my name is Jackie Zabrowski. My name is Molly Neffel, and now I've got a lot of thinking to do about whether I want my babies to be cowboys or not. We're going to talk about it today. My name's Holmigneill, I'm sorry.

I'm squished against the wall because of Molly's pregnant belly. It's the size of the room. Oh, my God, it's the side of the room. Yeah, that's good. Belly-shamed the pregnant one. That's really good for Molly. Honestly, I find it validating, because, I also feel as if I am exploding out of every, I can't be contained.

And so it's very, it is an affirming experience for me. Well, I hope it was also affirming to see several ladies try to break the ice on Tinder with the, all women are pregnant women have 40% more blood in their bodies than the average human. And it worked. And it's worked. At least one date. At least one, at least one. And then usually it's kind of like, it's kind of funny. The guy's like, ha, ha, I do.

like trivia. That was like one of the response. You know what I mean? Because that's how horny a guy is. Oh, guys are so... It's perfect because there's nothing to say. It's just a viscerally horrifying fact. But guys are just so desperate to get laid. They feel work. They're going to maneuver. They're going to work with you. But also, I don't think so. I think

they are so desperate, like, especially they're so desperate for another person to open up a conversation on Tinder on those apps that isn't just like, what's up? You look good. Yeah. Like, if you come in with a fact or a joke, you mold, I feel like that really ups your ante.

At least I was insane on all the apps and the kind of things I would open with were pretty ridiculous. Why not? I mean, when you are just so used to getting these messages, you know, and it's just like, it gets old fast. It loses its novelty quick. You know, so on stream, we've been doing, like, Tinder profile makeovers. And it is my big note to give everybody. out there if they're you know look at your profile if it's vague don't talk don't just say i like to go hiking

don't just say i like to travel don't just say i like music what music do you like yes where have you hiked where have you traveled what my favorite hike was this my favorite place i've ever been was this you know what i mean and they'll glean the fact that you travel yeah you know what i mean very good advice tell the story don't don't you know and that was true from sketch writing days it's it's details the devils and the if you the more specific you you you're you're you're more specific you you can make it, the more funny the joke will be. And the more specific you can make your profile, the more interesting your profile be.

Because you got to know everybody's like, biking, hiking, traveling. Yeah, fucking everybody likes to do that shit. You know what I mean? I remember in big capital letters, I had, I love hot dogs. And that was, you know how many conversations, but then it gives you a lead-in because how many people would be like, yo, I love hot dogs too. Like, we're Kendrit's spirits. Right.

I'll have sex with you on the first. date was essentially what I was saying. And unravels and unravels and unravels. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You can message and be like, what's your favorite hot dog topping or whatever? You got to give them an opening. And the funniest was one guy had like aerospace engineer and I was like trying to give them like feedback.

And I was like, wait, what exactly is that? And I was like, wait, are you a fucking rocket scientist? And you're not leading with I'm a rocket scientist? I'm a fucking rocket scientist. It's only a rocket scientist. You're making it like as vague as possible like aerospace engineer. weird thing that like maybe you'll connect the dots. And then like his alt photos was like literally him standing in front of a fucking

rocket. I'm like, dude, that's what you lead with. You standing in front of a rocket saying I'm a fucking rocket scientist. I'm a rocket scientist. I'm a anything else. That and I just, I feel like my lead in would be like in space. Do they also hear you scream when you orgasm? That's what my intro line would be.

I think is pretty great. Well, see, I was going to say the only flaw with the fun fact, what undeniably fun fact about pregnancy blood is that more pregnant facts the only thing that is that makes it perhaps a tough thing to go right in with

is that if you're if it's a heterosexual interaction to right away be talking about pregnancy it's just like hot dogs there's kind of hot dogs you know it leaves a bit of a dick opening I feel like pregnancy I can imagine

being like why wait why are we talking about pregnancy This is what you do. This is the new challenge. You go, you say the fact, and then you wait five minutes, and then just write, I want more blood in all past. Don't follow it. It's not a good idea. That is horrifying.

Can you imagine receiving that message? I'm just like, I don't know if I'm the one for you, man. I don't know. You want to help me be the one? You want to be the one to give me 1.5 times more blood than a regular person? I guess so. I think. If this goes well.

You were talking about babies a little bit extra today because it is Molly's last week before she goes on maternity leave because she's about to squirt out another child and I'm so excited. It is so strange to just like have it on the calendar. Like, that's when my baby's going to be born. Because it's a scheduled C-section, so I just got it on the calendar. I saw my doctor today and I usually have been seeing him weekly.

And so I was like, all right, so what? I see, I'll see you next week and he's like, yes, in the operating room. I'm like, all right, I'll see you then. It's very strange. It's very weird. And now I'm just like, I guess I'll, you know, do my fucking laundry and, you know. Get all ready for it. Wipe down the counters, you know, daily bullshit.

Trying to make the time go by and remind my, try to make myself forget that I have, you know, a human person living inside me. Now, would you be okay? if one of your children decided to be a cow person. Well, when you were singing that particular beloved song, it reminded me of one of my favorite songs, which is the Magnetics Field song, Papa was a rodeo, about falling in love with a cowboy, or at least a cowboy type person.

And it's two different perspectives, because Papa was a rodeo is about loving a cowboy and having them never being able to settle down. But then if you find yourself, you're both kind of in the same spot, you're both a rodeo. You both had Pappas who were rodeos. But having a child who runs off like a cowboy is a different kind of lament. Mm-hmm.

And then the third and final lament, where have all the cowboys gone? Gone. Where have they all gone? That is the full loss. That is the ultimate realization of cowboy loss. Well, and now I feel like we need a new song. My how all the cowboys have returned. Grow.

And they're all black now. Now all the cowboys. The back. Okay. Cowboys are black are black and queer. Yeah, which is amazing. That's where they went. They went to, like, grow into their true form, and now they have returned to us.

Yeah, you know, I think that there's nothing that isn't extremely positive about the cowboy renaissance that we're in right now. That's what we're talking about today, guys. We're talking about the Yee-Ha agenda, which I didn't realize it had a name. I went down quite a worm time this week on my whole. A whole yaha agenda. A worm time? Worm time, baby. I go into my worm time's on the internet.

That's Jackie's phrase for like a YouTube hole, but it's like a multimedia hole. That's when Jackie just puts the laptop on the floor and literally just squirms around the room while looking at various articles. Yummy, yummy. Yummy, yummy. Especially while staring at all of these beautiful black cowboys and cowgirls. And I lost at least an hour to staring at just picture. And I learned a lot. I think that I need to up my fashion game. And there's a lot of things that I learned about Yehaw agenda.

So overall, this is something that essentially the internet deemed it the yaha agenda because of Twitter. And it is about the resurgence of the Black Cowboy. So we're talking about, you know that here page seven, and I think worldwide people love Lil Nas X, who is bringing back essentially like just the focus to everybody. But then there's, but this has been happening for a lot of. time and we just weren't aware. I wasn't aware of it because I love cowboys and I love cowgirls. And I guess I just always would see it randomly. I'm like, oh, that looks sexy. I'm into that.

But if you think about it, we got Cardi B. We got Salonje and Beyonce. We got Janelle Monet. We got all these people and then Megan the Stallion, who now I am truly obsessed with, bringing back the idea of the black cowboy. And as we've discussed a little bit, With Lil Nas X, there's this fascinating history there where, like, you know, the country playlists were like going back through the 20th century were like literally segregated, officially segregated with no black artists allowed, and black country artists were, you know, kind of filtered off to a different, to different record labels and the record labels were segregated. And so there is like a reason why black cowboys haven't been part of the mainstream, and now

they're just back and they've never they've never not been there like you said but now there's this moment and it's hot as the day is long i feel like one thing that i'm we're scrolling through the the yaha what's it called again the yaha agenda uh instagram account which is phenomenal and everyone should check it out and one thing i would like to note that i'm noticing just watch it looking at all of this together it's actually really it's like cowboy and glam yeah it's very glamy there's a lot It's very shiny, it's very, like, bright, and, you know, it gives me, like, Bowie vibes a little bit. Well, and that's part of what the EHA agenda is trying to do is trying to rip apart the, like, the cowboy and the spectrum of femininity versus masculinity. Right.

Where that in the days of you or in the idea of the cowboy is this, you know, how a cowboy should be and how a cowboy should act. Where it's like, fuck that. You just should just be, it's about playing to being you. And I know it's all like we, I say live your truth a lot now. And it went from the beginning of like making jokes about it to now. I'm like, you know what? I am living my fucking truth. I'm going to wear what I fucking want to wear.

Hashtag Hot Girl Summer. I don't give a fuck, man. I just ordered an insane clown posse t-shirt. And I felt brave about it. I love that we were just talking about specificity and writing, though, and that Jackie's current motto is live your truth. It's a little bit. It's a little bit live, laugh, love.

A little bit. It is. Incredibly said. A thousand percent. I want to embroider it onto something. I think I needed it my life because I went from saying it in jest, and now I actually kind of mean it. Yeah.

I mean, there's... Live your fucking truth. Live your truth. And there's technically nothing wrong with the advice to live, laugh, and love. Sure, of course. You know. It's just the wood blocks that you put in your home. How about that?

How about a fourth addendum to that? How about learn? Learn live. Where does it come and come to the beginning? Live laugh love. Or at the end, I don't know. Oh, is there an order? Is that in the first?

You live first. Live laugh, love is the order. You live probably second, because the first thing someone does to you is a baby is make you laugh. And because you're going, gochoo, goch, goch, goch. And then you're going to love.

You learn how to love. I mean. And then you'll learn. Then you learn afterwards. Yeah, then you learn's the last ones. Because after loving, you get your heartbroken. You learn. Yeah, but for all the people who have,

these decorations in their house that say live, laugh, love. Now what are they gonna, got to get a second. Get that L-Y-T embroidery. All right, just get it, get it up. Live your truth. Well, what if your truth isn't fucking laughter?

You know what I mean? What if you're a sad Sally? And a sad Sally should be able to be a sad Sally as well. That is true. If that's what you think is your truth, maybe truth. Yes, but sadness, we all know that sadness and laughter are very, very intertwined with one another. This is true.

I remember the drama masks. I know these things. I feel like we're getting into a bit of a worm time when it comes to this discussion about living, about the state of living, laughing, loving, and loving, and learning and living your truth. It's true. We started with black queer cowboys.

Beautiful black queer cowboys. Is this a thing? Is this a thing I was going to bring this up? It also gives me kind of like role play-e Paris is burning vibes. You know what I mean? Like it was kind of like when the guys would come out and be like the businessman or that, you know, it's like just getting to like also live your

truth, but you're also getting to like try on a different skin. Drag vibes. Yeah, a little bit of a draft, like a little bit of like, like, I want to be a cowboy today, so I'm going to put it all on and then that's what I will be. Well, I think that like what Jackie was saying before too about the kind of different performance of gender, I feel like that's totally at play, right? Like, like, oh, I, this is, the cowboy aesthetic is a way for me to experiment now, like this cool cowboy shit is like, am I going to be cowboy femme or am I going to be a cowboy mask?

Yeah. Well, and that's the whole fun part of it. It's like this goes back to the age where it's ridiculous that we think that like black cowboys aren't a thing. They're just cowboys because it makes sense. You think they're the civil war where like the landowners go off to fucking kill each other off. And who was there to tend to the land? You know, it's like it was the black cowboys that held it all down that learned and trained and rode horses. But for years, especially in the 18, you know, beginning in the 1800s,

black cowboys were excluded from rodeos in the same way that, like, it is such a, like, a definitive line where, like, why not poke fun at, you know, gender norms when it comes to, like, making it an even ground for everybody? Also, shoutouts, it gave me, I just started thinking. Does that make sense? I started thinking, yeah, absolutely. I started thinking about blazing saddles, too, actually. and that all hinged on the fact that this guy was a black cowboy and like nobody could like get their heads around it in the movie.

You know what I mean? And that kind of showed how marginalized that sort of identity was back in the day. Also gave me vibes of Boogie Nights and John Cheadle's character, Buck, who was trying to do the cowboy thing in the 70s. I love Don Cheadle. Yeah, he's so good. And just that whole thing and his struggle to try to identify as a black cowboy and how like no one would take him seriously. because of that. And with Lil Nas X at this point now

because he's been number one for so long, although I know we can talk about how he was dethroned by Billy Eilish. But I feel like with the thing with Lil Nas X that will always be his amazing origin story is that he was, that they tried to stop him. Like that the country music playlist tried to stop him. So it's not any different today.

Right. Like there is legit still demonstrable like, you know, a desire, a demonstrable desire, by the country billboard charts to be like, no, no black cowboys, this is not, we don't, this is, this is not belong here. They are the most, I will say too, just in general, like, even on the white end, like, they are so controlling in terms of what they think is the right kind of country to be on the charts because you even had, what's his name, Sturgle Simpson. He, like, protested the country music awards by just playing his own gig on an acoustic guitar, like, busking on the street. Because he's like, how the fuck did I not get any recognition? for my album that is like a traditional...

And I love Sergill Simpson. He's amazing. And it's this incredible album and it's like this work of art and yet he's not, but he's not playing like this weird specific country aesthetic that they need to be at the top for some reason. Because, well it really goes back to, I'd have to get more into the

history of Nashville, but they are just incredibly control. Like it's such an entangled web of people who like make the big charts songs happen. You know what I mean? Casey Musgraves where it's like pop versus country too. Yeah.

Why, like, but what about Leahan Rhymes? Isn't that both pop and country at the same time? Sure. Does it have to be delineated so harshly? Oh, and you're treated like a traitor if you try to step outside of their system. It's so internal. Which I assume is a detriment to country because I was one of those people. It keeps it in the same place.

It keeps it boring and in stale. Like, I am ashamed to say that I was one of those people growing up that was like, I'll listen to anything but. But country. But country. I think a lot of people were. I think a lot of people were like that. And I know, and I understand now that it was a basic thing to say it.

No, but I secretly listened to the Dixie Chicks. Like, I secretly listened to all this country music that I just loved. But, like, I couldn't let anyone know that I loved it. But also, it was like, it was the same reason why I thought I hated jazz, because my dad only listened to easy listening jazz. You thought you hated country because the only country that the country music, like modern day country music people were letting you hear on the radio was, It was like Tim McGrath.

Yeah, I mean, or whatever. I mean, if you like that stuff, go for it. But, you know, it's a specific taste. Don't fuck with my Faith Hill and my Shania Twix. Exactly. I can't say anything about Blake Shelton or Keith Urban or Tim McGraw. Molly, you can't say anything about anyone anymore, okay? I don't know if you've noticed what fucking year we're living in,

but if you say it, like, I always have had to preface every semi-negative thing I've ever had to say lately with like, I love you for who you are if you like this, but I don't like this. Well, it's because Jackie. He wants to have Blake Shelton's baby, so that's why I can't say anything about it. I am, you know, it's like, I've been, I've been in that relationship before. I can handle it. But wouldn't it be nice to be in the relationship with, you know, a drunk cowboy that actually has money? That's kind of fine, you know?

You mentioned me off recording that you caught up on some John Travolta recently. Was Urban Cowboy one of those films? Baby, baby, baby. I watched Urban Cowboy over the weekend. So this is also in part of, like, I was getting obsessed with Megadie Stalien, which ended up, this is because I had watched Urban Cowboy, and then I saw the phrase, Yehaw agenda. I was like, well, what the fuck is that?

Oh, it's like, oh, the resurgence of the black cowboy? Yes, I'll go. And then cut to three hours later. This is a wormhole. This is the problem, though, with Wormtimes and the fact that I quit smoking is that, I don't even realize, there's no, I don't realize that time passes because it's not delineated by smoking breaks anymore. So I'll just all of a sudden,

well, now I've just read about this for three hours. And so, yes, I watched Urban Cowboy over the weekend. Now, Jeff and I had gone on a little vacation over the weekend, which was really nice, wanted to get away. And I was like, let's watch Urban Cowboy. Because I thought that John, it was just like John Travolta, like, I'm a cowboy, and, oh, I fall in love with Deborah Winger.

I thought that's what the movie was about. I mean, it kind of is, but the movie is very good, and I believe it's two and a half hours long. And it is about, and like the main, like, the thesis of the movie is like, are you a real cowboy?

Which is exactly, it's like, mamas don't let your babies grow up to be cowboys. It's almost like that because John Travolta leaves his hometown to go to, I think it's Pasadena, Texas. And then he's like,

well, I'm a cowboy. He was a cowboy. And then he started riding mechanical Bull and we were talking about this that like he had he trained himself on the mechanical bull and had like for two months he had a mechanical bull installed in front of his house so he could train and do all the stunts himself but in reality it's about the bleakness of what being a real cowboy is when it comes to small town Texas in the 70s it's mostly about brutally beating your wife and about treating women like trash.

That's mostly what it's about. I wasn't expecting that turn, to be honest. In that set up, I was really wrapped, and then we really took a plunge. Really, it's very upsetting. And we were, like, I was just trying to do a puzzle that had a bunch of secret tigers in it. I wasn't expecting to be, and we just kept staring at the television, just being like, Jesus Christ, it's just like, oh, my.

The 70s were a different time. Movies would do that. That kind of reminds me of like an American graffiti. It's like this like, well, go back to the 50s. We're going to go to the sock up and have a fun bop. And then at the very end, it's like the post-credit scene. It's like Jerry died in NOM and Stewart went on to like commit suicide because the stock market crash.

You're like, geez. Like every 70s movie, even if it was like a light on the surface tone, it would just go there. every time. I don't know what that is. But you know we watched after Urban Cowboy that has nothing to do with Cowboys? I was like, I need a palate cleanser. And for my palate cleanser, I chose Rat Race.

And when was the last time? I have not seen that. You guys watched Rat Race. You're going to have to tell me about Rat Race. Oh, Molly. It is, if you want something to shut your fucking brain off, watch Rat Race. It is a quintessential early 2000.

movie. Everyone from the early 2000s is in it. I think I see Mr. Bean. Yes, Mr. Bean is in it. And so essentially it's like John Cleese is a billionaire that has false teeth and he's the owner of this hotel and he's got all these other like billionaires in a hotel room

and he's like, I'm going to choose couples in this hotel and they have to get to this certain spot and if they get there, they win $2 million. But like some of the couples are like John Lovitz and Kathy and Jimmy. And then you have like some like and then Cuba Gooding

Jr. is like he becomes a bus driver for a bus filled with people of cosplaying I love Lucy and where it's like the bus crashes and they'll go and it's

so bad but then like the Kathy to Jimmy John Lovitz couple which is my favorite they accidentally stumble into some sort of Aryan brotherhood meeting and they steal one of Hitler's actual cars and then they're in Hitler's car and it's all this like very tasteless.

See again. Very 2001. There are a lot of things about 2019 that people are adjusting to. But like we were talking about recently, if you go back and watch a 90s movie and you're just like, oh dear God, what is wrong with you? You know? And I think that really it could be said about any point before now that you go back and watch a movie from the early 2000s, you know, and you're just like, for fuck's sake, you know,

and again. I mean, Kathy Bates plays like a squirrel wrangler who says the R word like four times. You know, it's just like, oh, ha, ha. I mean, a fundamental premise of face off is like non-consensual sex, you know, between not John Travolta and his wife. You know, it's like Revenge of the Nerds point two. Like, it's, it's rough. And it's, you know, it's a, but does rat race end at a charity concert that is for Smash Mouth?

Why is Smash Mouth at the end of every movie during that, like, two years' stretch? At least a ska band. The Mighty, Mighty Bostones might be there, yeah. How did, do you imagine, they probably made enough money that, like, they are good for the rest of time, right? I hope. And again, they're on Twitter being, like, terrific. Just tweeting a bad politician. all the time.

So, smash mouth. Yeah, that's fine. Isn't it weird how just the people you never would have thought you'd be like really rooting for politically on Twitter? That's why Twitter is just such a dumpster fire because it's just such a nightmare.

I don't even know how to deal with it. Do you think because you've been reading Twitter more, your baby's going to come out angrier and more upset? It's a good question. No. More worldly, maybe. I feel like you should be able to do drugs. Just don't read Twitter. The baby's

going to come out just like ready to just fight the good fight and maybe an unhealthy way. Well, this is like when I was pregnant the first time I was like, I didn't ever like play music to my belly because it seemed too weird, but I would listen to my music in my headphones and I would think that the baby could hear it and then I was like, yeah, right?

No, the baby's not in my soul. Yeah. Like she's a separate person living in my body, but she's not inside my brain. She can't actually know what I am hearing in my own ears, you know. And so I think that the fact that I'm a very angry person when it comes to the state of the world doesn't seem to at least have passed off on to the first one.

She's like the happiest person I know. And so hopefully the second one will be also. I feel and it's rough because I feel like I want to protect that happiness. And how on God's name do you do that? Put them in a plastic bubble. I think that's how you do it. Never let them outside. Never let them read anything.

Don't give them any technology. Watch Captain Fantastic. You know what I mean? Another genre movie, though, right? Bubble Boy. Yeah. No, Boy in the plastic bubble. Bubble boys is making fun of it.

Bubble boys different. Another thing I was thinking about was, I watched the first episode of Euphoria last night, which is fantastic. And they have a little bit of a nod to that as well. I don't think it's too much of a spoiler because it happens within the first five minutes. But, like, the main character was, like, born. like three days after 9-11 and like feels like that factored into like the you know how like how she was

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Stitchfix.com slash page 7. Now, this is speaking of cowboys, but not yaha agenda. Yeah, I'm bringing it back. Because all I'm thinking about is cowboys, okay? I read this headline, and I was like, what the hell? Where, what year is it? So Kiefer Sutherland fell off of his tour bus, and he broke some ribs, which means he had to cancer.

three of his last tour dates in his European tour. And I was like, what? What do you mean is tour dates? What the fuck is going on with Kiefer Sutherland? I didn't know Kiefer Sutherland is a country musician now. Yeah, I was- What is happening? I was angry about everything in that article.

How do you fall off a bus? Right. I mean, they're big. And apparently he's sober now, so you can't even blame that. And he's a country musician. This is like when we were talking about, his name, Jeremy Renner being a musician. Yes. I don't like it.

And it's not that you can't be a talented singer and actor. You can. But just because you're an actor, whether Jeremy Renner or Keith for Sutherland is talented, I might say that the jury's out. But, you know, just because you have the right to be an actor, doesn't mean you have the right to be a singer, in my opinion. Well, I mean, what was the song?

I listened to the Key for Sutherland music for a while. It's, you know, it's fine for country. As someone that, like, I've listened to a lot of country. You know, it's like, one of the songs, like, Not enough whiskey in the world tonight. Not enough whiskey in the world. It's like, okay, well, we get it. Who's ever done it?

I'm sure somebody has, I'm just not thinking of him. Who went from acting and became, like, a fucking, you know, lead of a killer band? Was Chris Christopherson singing before he started acting? Good question. Yeah, that's a problem. It's probably going to be somebody like, I'm not a, wear up from like the 70s or something. Yeah, maybe. Because all I can think of right now is Jared Letto.

Right? Jared Letto, who's fucking notoriously trash live. Didn't you see, didn't you see Johnny Depp? Yeah. Didn't you see Johnny Depp live? And it was fucking horrible. You saw Johnny Depp live? Yeah, I saw Hollywood vampires. Which is the worst. Yes, he was definitely vampire. Fucking name of a bear. I'm sorry. Hammered. Yeah, he's definitely a vampire.

No, he's definitely hammered. A thousand percent. He was, oh, no. So Chris Christopherson started a, a musician and then he went into acting. I think you can do that. That absolutely works and it doesn't make me mad the same way. Yeah, right? I'm talking about the opposite.

Because, and I think that it's because, no shade to actors, I think that it takes more skill to be a musician. Very much so. As an actor, I accept this and yes, you're correct. Right? Like I've tried both. I've, with very mild success at both, right?

And it's very, it takes a lot of talent to be a musician. And so if you are a talented musician and then it turns out you can also act, I think that that's, you know, acting also takes a lot of talent. But I think that it's a move that makes sense. But to be an actor, it just be like, I also am a talented musician. It's just like, odds are you're not. All right, I've got, this is actually a list, but oh well. But I will say, though, Kiefer Southernerner writes his own music.

So I will give him that. At least like if you're going to do it, he's doing it. That's a good for him. So first of all, I love that Gwyneth Paltrow is on this list of actors-turned-musicians. What? Yeah, I did not know that with a song called Country Song is what is linked as the video. It is definitely her with a microphone. And her, yeah, I think she did try to be one.

I have a renewed anger at Gwyneth Paltrow because I just watched Avengers End game for the first time. Also, though, did you see the article that I set you guys just a little while ago? about how Gwyneth Paltrow hired a personal book curator because she looked in her shelves and were like, I need more books, but I don't want to pick out the books. I'm going to pay someone to come and then pick out the fucking books of my own own own. Can I just say right here right now, I cannot fucking stand, by the way,

when people color coordinate their books. Yes. It makes me furious. Or when they do it by size or any aesthetic that isn't a theme or author. Theme or author or title of the book. Then it's, Oh, oh, what? You want to buy blue books?

Yes, because that's what she's doing. She's also coordinating them via colors. Of course she is. Because she says, in the dining room, we stuck to a more rigid color palette of black, white, and gray, since it was less of a space where one might hang out and read.

If you're already having a book curator and your home is not some sort of museum or some sort of store, you're not reading the books. Does it matter? So I love that it's like, oh, we're going to keep it a rigid colored ballot of black, white, and gray, because that's not a place where people hang out and read.

What does that have to do with either? Like, what does that matter? It's so, it's just so demonstrative of people who never fucking read in their life. Because if, like, by size only makes sense because I, in my bookshelves in our house, like there is, we had to, in order to maximize the amount of space, we have a couple of shelves that are just really fucking short. So we have, like, all the paperbacks on those. But, like, every, like, my goal in life is to have them arranged by, by,

subject or theme because the times in my life that I'm so excited to have a bookshelf with books on it is so that if you're having a conversation with a friend and you're like, oh, have you ever read this one, you know, Richard Price? Oh, I love it. Oh, it's over here with my mystery novels or whatever. And it brings me great satisfaction. I'm also one of those people. You go into somebody's house. I'm not looking at the furniture. I'm not looking at the quality. I'm not looking at how you clean. I'm looking at the books on your wall, the records on your stand, like that's what tells me everything. It's just to see what you choose to be around you.

I think it says a lot about the person. And if you're arbitrary about that stuff, by putting it by color, then I am just immediately enraged. And it's one thing that I hate about home improvement shows, like the Gaineses and they just have prop books, like two prop books on a nightstand and it makes me so mad. I'm like, find out what book they're reading and put that on a nice stand. With the book on the same.

That's what's on my end table. My end table is the book I'm reading right then because I usually read right before I go to sleep. And I like the book right there every day. And that's the book that's on my night. And that's how we at page seven feel about books in the house. They're for reading. All right, here are some actress-turned-musicians that I feel like made the jump.

I feel like this is almost a loophole, but J-Lo with Selena. And then she went on to be the big pop star. I mean, it wasn't just Selena, please. She is an actress. Yeah, but I'm saying Selena was... Selena was like the main thing she did before she became a pop story, yes,

and then she went on to make a lot of other acting work. Comola Floor. But yeah, she definitely... Oh my God, I can't wait for the new Selena show, but that's a whole other part. I'm sorry, continue you. Steve Martin. I think he did a pretty solid turn of going from...

Which also, he's awesome on... You ever listen to his music? He does a bunch of banjo music. He's sick on a bando music. Yeah, right. And that's, again, if you have a pre-existing musical town, Then you are, in fact, talented at music. I'm actually going to throw William Shatner in there because I love his music.

Yes, totally fair. Absolutely. And it's very William Shatner, but it's still fun. Yes, I agree. Some might disagree, but I think Zoe Dashnell did great with she and him after her acting stuff. I mean, I think it's very cute, but it's... It's cute, see. It's good.

It's not my thing, but I get it. I think it's solid. I definitely listen to a couple songs. Back when I was like into that, like, Bell and Sebastian and stuff like that, I was definitely had she and him on... Here's a great one, Jack Black. Yes. Jack Black. Yes.

A crossover. Although he was, he was a musician first, right? I feel like, because Sanacious was before all of it, right? Oh, was it? Well, I don't know. I guess he was known maybe for his acting work first with, like, high fidelity and stuff like. I don't know. I guess it's kind of gray, right?

I guess it kind of was, yeah, yeah. So I don't even know if he fits. I feel like J-Lo and, like, true double threats, right? Like true crossovers, whereas Keeper Sutherlandland had an acting career for. for 15, 20 years. And that is like, no, I'm a country man. Yeah. You know.

Yeah. And that's pretty much it in the list. I mean, this list is full of all the ones we were talking about, Keanu Reeves, Lindsey Lohan, Bruce Willis. Oh, God. And the list just goes on and on. I mean, these are like the three or four that I found in this giant list that actually, like, I mean, it is almost impossible.

Yeah. All right. But then that's where I find, then I, because immediately with the Keyfer Southern thing, because, like, I was in love with Keeper Sutherland as well as Oliver Plath. because of the Three Musketeers. And so I always, like, I had a crush on him. So, you know, staring at pictures of him, I could waste all day doing it, unfortunately. But apparently, he was an award-winning rodeo champion for 10 years.

Yeah, so I guess this country thing didn't come out of nowhere. No, he started team roping in the early 90s. Well, he doesn't even remember. He's like maybe late 80s, early 90s, and he did it for 10 years. He toured with his healer, who was a guy. named John English, which I guess because, like, they have to do it in a team, because then I started reading about roping and how they, like, rope up the cows to, like, essentially, like, give the medicine and check them out and all that kind of stuff. So it doesn't hurt the cap.

I don't think. I'm not a, I'm not a roper scientist. But it's, you know, the championship. He did it 10 years. So he's been in the world for a very long time. And I think that part of the reason with the rodeo champion and doing country music and all that kind of stuff was to get away from like his father's shadow. I was going to say, I can't, I just can't, the thing about Keeper Sutherland is I know he's a very accomplished act with a long career of his own, but I just can't

not look at him and wish that I was looking at Donald Sutherland. I love Donald Sutherland, which I mean, you know, I think that I will always and forever talk about Donald Sutherland because of ordinary people and how much I love that movie. I watch it at least once a year. You do. How do you do that? How do you do that?

It's like Requiem for a dream for me. Like it's a movie I don't know if I'll ever be able to watch again. Yeah, that's a watch at once movie. I was making jokes because I said I wanted to pre-game with Blue Valentine before I go see the marriage story. Have you, you guys watched the trailers I sent you guys? Yeah, I am really, and it's Noah Baumbach too, which I love his work. And man, that is totally my, totally my deal. Like, I love that shit.

Like, it's giving me like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, like Revolutionary Road. Yeah, Revolutionary Road is another... That kind of thing where you're just like watching the collapse of a relationship. That is my jam. Talk about a good book, by the way. Oh, yeah, I need to read it. Revolutionary Road is a fantastic book.

Oh, it's great. It's a great book. Yes, that's a great book. It's very upsetting. So I don't know if you guys, like, out there in the interwebs, look up the trailers for a marriage story. So it's Noah Bomba. Noah Bamba?

I never know how to say it. I think you don't pronounce like the very... Bamba, I believe, is kind of how you say. Bamba. No, Bamba. No, Bamba. So it's their new movie, and it's starring Adam Driver and Scarlett Johanssen, and the two trailers that were released. So it's about the end of a marriage.

And, like, I think that they go, it seems like they start from the beginning when they met and also watch, like, the destruction of their relationship, like a Blue Valentine-esque kind of movie. But each trailer is from the perspective of the other person and how they feel about them and how they feel about them, and how they, love them on such a deep level, but they know that it just won't work. But it's the same exact cut, like the same, it's, so it's truly about like, the same life is happening, but from two different voiceovers. It's very, very well done. I watched both of them four times, and I wept. And then I was like, I'm going to watch Blue Valentine again.

I'm going to watch Blue Valentine again. I can't wait for this movie to come out. It's going to be released on Netflix. And I just, I love Adam Driver, and I do enjoy, even though now, Scarlett Johansson has put her fucking foot in her mouth, an idiot. I still enjoy her acting, though. And I think that it's going to be a great movie.

I think it's going to be really good. I'm already upset. My stomach hurts thinking about. He does such a good job. Do you ever see Margo at the wedding with Nicole Kidman? Yes. God, I loved that movie. Oh, my God, it's so good.

And Squid and the Whale. I was at National History Museum recently, and I always have to go and, like, stand in front of the Squid and the Whale. And it always brings me back to that film. I just think it's one of the best, like human life, slice of life kind of movies, you know, just, oh, just tragic. My, Adam Driver is one of those people on whom my feelings have changed and my temperature has risen.

Me too. Very, very dramatically. In terms of just like, I don't, I wouldn't say no to sex with him, but, like, in terms of finding him to be like a very. I'm sure you're feeling real sexual right now, Molly. Yeah. If I ever want to have sex with anything again. He's just like, I like pregnant. I'm into pregnancy.

I search them out. I seek them out. I'm Adam Driver. This is how I talk when I'm not on screen. But I went from being like, I get it. You're weird to now being like, you're so captivated. Yeah. Oh my God, he is.

Was it Star Wars? Was it Kylo Ren? They really turned it? It was, yeah, it was both. It was the two Star Wars. And I never watched girls. I've never seen a single minute of it. Actually, what changed it for me was Cohen Brothers.

Outer Space. You know? Oh, the, um... Lewin Davis, inside Louis Davis. Lewin Davis. Hey, Mr. Isaac. Yami, mommy. And I don't let it go.

Oder, space. That was the... Have you seen that movie before? No. Okay, so you're laughing at it even. I'm just, like, doing an impression of it. Just look up that one scene. It's just...

He's very silly. Adam Driver and, um, what's his name? Also from Star Wars. Oscar Isaac. Oscar Isaac. It's the three of them, like, look up that scene. I'm sure there's a YouTube clip of it. Oh my God, Molly.

You want to talk cowboys? I want to lick him through the screen. Good Christ. I'll talk about Oscar Isaac any time and any day. With as little sexuality as I have left. It remains for Oscar Isaac. So I'm very excited about this. And Adam Driver really, I've also changed.

Patterson is a great movie. It's Jim Jaramush's movie. He is the lead in it. Also really great in that. I just really like him. And everything that you read about him is he's just a great person. And that makes me very happy. I want to watch him and what's her name, Felicity, Bone,

because there was a blind item recently about how they were, they're in that play together, but there was also a blind item that they are truly boning. And I find that to be very important. What? Yeah. Why can't I ever think of Felicity's name? I only want to say Elizabeth, which is her name in the Americans.

but you know fucking I know her hair I remember her hair Carrie Russell Terry Russell thank you Also we do have you I'm sorry continue

No no no I just want to Again She's just She's gonna have in a moment right now I don't know You can't really catch the vibe Because you're on like remotely or whatever

But like the room got warmer Like I'm uncomfortable Like Just really thinking about it Keep them uncomfortable Safe space I declare safe space I demand

But also, yeah, I mean, Carrie Russell is also, I'd lick the sweat off. Is that bad? Am I not allowed to say that? No, I'd dress her up like a fireman and do jumping jacks with her. I mean, that too. I'd also, man, when I pass those firemen every morning, I pass the fireman every single morning.

I go, hey, boys, every day. And it just, it makes me feel like when I go, like, when you would get to go, like, I would force myself to go to first period, year of high school because I saw my crush before first period every day. Then that's how I would make sure that I would get to class. There's something about going to the gym and passing by a bunch of sexy firemen that I go, hey, boys, too, and they go, morning to me, that gets me to go to the gym.

If there is something that, like, if you can pass by something that will turn you on, it will inspire you to go to the gym. Jackie, and this is kind of based off of like a Reddit thing today, please, for me and all of our listeners asked to get in the truck and get a picture. Will they, why will they let me in the truck? There was a Reddit post day where a guy was like, I passed this fire station every day and I've always wanted to ask if I could get in the truck. It was like a tweet.

And then it was a picture of him in the truck. And he was like, it actually worked. So maybe while you're walking by next time, be like, hey, guys, would you mind if I, like, got up in the truck and you took a picture and you could like, get the wheel? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But then what about after that? I feel like after that, are you just going to go back to the normal routine of just saying hi, boys?

Well, no, then you go, hey, now that I did that, can I tell you, would you be interested in a smooch party? What's a smooch party? And then you kind of go from there, you know what I mean? But I'll just do that. I won't kiss them without their permission. I'll just go at them. I have a boyfriend, so we have to almost kiss, but we can do that. Oh, yeah, no, I don't, honestly, don't even kiss me.

I don't want to be a part of it. I just want to watch them kiss. Yeah. If they are, if they consent, I would like. to watch them kiss. Ask for consensual kissing after you get on the fire truck. That's the next step, right?

And then just see how far you can go. You guys want to just live with me? You guys just live with me. I'll take care of you. Take your shirts off and hug and I'll take a picture of it. I just come over next time and they just are the furniture.

They're like, no, sit on the fireman. That's what he is here. He is the couch. All firefighters, there's just something about the damn outfit and will get me every time. And the fact that my dad was in the NYPD and the fact that is completely,

I am not allowed to like a firefighter. So forever, that is just in the back of my brain, man. It'll always in forever. You like my brain. Yeah. Well, they have to, it is really, you know, this is this ups the ante. It's very difficult to become a firefighter. To become a firefighter, you have to be so fucking jacked out of your mind

and pass so many, like, physical tests of strength that is just very, very, very hard to do from what I've learned. You also have to have the Constitution to run into a burning building, which I imagine is rare. Very scary. And you also are the person that is bringing that puppy out, that is bringing that scared child out and your big strong arms. I mean, what? Is there anything more attractive? Although I will say that because of ER, I have also always had a bit of a fantasy about paramedics.

Ah, saving lives. Oh, yes. The problem is I feel like even more so than firefirefire. Dr. Wiley, baby. They're so traumatized, though. I feel like they have, like, I feel like they have the most PTSD. I know. I love the far off stare.

I love the far off stare of, like, what have you seen? Yeah. And then I grabbed their face and go, look at me, see me. And then we just like, I have sex on an operating table. PTSD, the new sexy. Bringing PTSD. That's just sexualized trauma. Yeah, I think that's.

I had like, you know, I always was kind of into the sad boy type, but I don't want to flatten actual PTSD into just like a sad boy that I kind of fetishized as a young person. Man, you were doing God's work being into the sad boy type. That is like the night, any, all the ladies out there into those quiet, shy sad boys because they're the last ones probably up to bed. What are you talking about? That was Ma Jane.

Yeah, I love a sad boy. Yes, I love a sad boy, especially a quiet sad boy, because, but then the problem was that I'm too aggressive. And then they would meet it and I'm just like, I like you. Kiss me. We should go on a date. And they're just like, but then you get scared because you're like, I don't know if you actually want to go on a date with me or you're just scared to say no.

Right. And I don't want you to be scared to say no. I just think that you're really cute and I like that you're quiet. But then you can go on a date and then you can go home and think like, is he writing a poem about me, you know? Yeah. Oh, is he writing a poem about me? It's just so funny, like the sad boy in Jackie's like,

I've got vulnerabilities too. I also have torture, but it's just a different energy when it comes to the torture. A different vibe of how you express your sadness. I mean, and how do you, what do you think that Peter Fonda's vulnerabilities were the counterculture icon? Rest in peace.

He passed away this weekend, but the reason why I wanted to bring it up because then, of course, I watched Easy Rider over the weekend, which, you know, it always, it's always a great movie he wanted to be the counterculture icon especially as another actor to pull away from

the good old fashioned stereotype that his father had put into place and so what do you do to push away from that let your hair grow out long man get on a fucking motorcycle and do a lot of drugs baby and I was reading a lot of stuff about Peter Fonda

after he passed this weekend also got really sad reading the everything that Jane Fonda said about him as a brother and sister that have been together and worked in the same business for a very long time. Of course, I have a very, um, I get very sad about those things. Oh, and I just love

everything. Any excuse to think about Jane Fonda is an excuse I will take, you know? You're right. Oh my God, she's perfect. But I read this story that I thought was really fun. So, um, in 1965, Peter Fonda was tripping with the Beatles

and George Harrison was tripping so hard that he thought he was going to die. And he turned to him, Peter Fonda turned to him and said, I was saying, don't worry, George, it's okay. I know what it's like to be dead. And Fonda said a reference to having survived a near fatal childhood shooting accident. And that's when John Lennon, like his eyes lit up

and he wrote the lyric of, I know what it's like to be dead in the Beatles song. like to be dead I know all the shit in your head and you're making me feel like I've never been bought and so he wrote it into She said she said off the Revolver album

I thought that was a really fun story It is a fun story I love that story It is really fun I just there's something about the idea of being tripping and like hanging out with the Beatles and then like saying something and having John Lennon like reach for a pen It's just like, oh, this guy.

Always looking at them go. Always writing something down. Also, I will say I did visit the graveyard where they shot those scenes, an easy rider for the acid trip that they had in the graveyard. And we got to look at the Virgin Mary statue that Peter Fonda sat in during the height of his acid trip and started talking to the Virgin Mary like she was his dead mother. And that is also the reason why you have not been able to take any footage in that cemetery since 1969. You can take pictures, but you cannot film in there, and it's all because of Peter Fonda.

Really? Really? Why? Because it was just, like, too much. Because they ate a bunch of acid and, like, he got into the Virgin Mary's arm. Oh, because they were actually doing the drugs. Oh, they were super on acid, and they like, yeah. Oh, it was like a real ass acid trip.

Yeah. I can't even imagine. Not to go down this road, you know, while I'm being recorded, but like, can you imagine? Honestly, even just thinking about tripping my balls off thinking I'm about to die and having someone and look at me and go, I know what it's like to be dead. And have that. I just'm like, no! And to have that person be Peter found out.

Yeah, also. Oh, that's, I'm exhausted. That just brings me back to like how tired it is or how tiring it is to be tripping after like four hours. And you're just like, okay, is there an eject button? Can I be done? I'm ready to be done now. Here comes trouble. Dida-de-da-da-da-da-do-do-do-do.

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Again, we're talking about talented musicians today. He is one of the best at just straight keeping time. Like, he's not a finesse drummer, but he is a fucking straight up metronome. You know, that's what they needed. Yeah. And he looks like a turkey turned into a mom. He looks like this. And it's also really funny.

There's a scene and there's a documentary about Let It Be of the making of Let It Be. in it, George Harrison and Ringo are sitting at the piano and they're trying to play Octopus's Garden and it's very obvious that George Harrison kind of probably wrote this song because he definitely knows how to play it and sing it better than Ringo does. And he's like kind of reminding Ringo like,

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Oh, my God. And Brody Jenner is a Jenner. We should have opened it. The thing is, is that I just assumed he wasn't a Jenner because I never watched the hills and I never really got into all that stuff. And in my brain, I'm just like, oh, well, Kylie and Kendall are so much younger than he is. But of course, what does that matter? I just, I assumed and I should not have assumed.

Because what does that do to you? Makes an ass out of me and me. I'm an assumee me. I'm an assumee me. I'm sorry. I asked me, me, and I'm sorry.

I asked me too, though. I also asked me me, I also asked me meed. And so all three of us got it wrong. And all three of us, I want to say, the guy can speak for us. We were bombarded with messages about it.

I'm sorry. Which I get it. We were wrong. Hundreds of tweets consisting of the exact same phrase, which is Brody Jenner as a Jenner. Well, and I was actually, no, and this phrase,

I was screaming at my phone. At the phone. And I'm so sorry. You know what? I hope that maybe it gave you a jolt of, like, energy. I feel like sometimes, like, getting angry like that and screaming into the ether, which is essentially what we do for a living. You know what?

It makes, it wakes you up. Yes. It's like jumping into a cold bath. You know, so you're welcome. Sometimes you need to get mad. You're going to be a great mother if you ever decide to do that, Jackie. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I like, you know, I like spinning it around.

You ever thought about just screaming, child? That makes it better for me. Just have yellies everywhere. Ah! Ah! Well, and I had kind of forgotten, even though I shouldn't have, but that the Jenners are a blended family. And, of course, the Kardashians and Jenner's are a big old blended family. But, right, Brody is Caitlin's son.

And Brody Jenner in my brain, so he's like the Rob Kardashian just of the Jenner is the one that's like, yeah, we have him, but like, we don't, he's not in all the family pictures. Right. You know, so we do apologize, and, you know, Brody Jenner, I'm sorry that you're getting the shiv right now, I guess. No, he's got a new partner. I guess it doesn't really matter. Yeah. I don't think any of them really care. Although I did see RIP, the relationship fully of Liam Hemsworth and Miley Cyrus, he did file for a divorce this morning.

It seems he's genuinely very upset about the whole thing. And then I keep seeing this headline that's like, Miley Cyrus basically having. sex in public. It's like, I mean, then it's just the paparazzi being a little crazy. You know, it's got to be horrible. I did say at least I saw a blind item where there are several ladies attending him around the clock to help him get through this out there. I'm sure he's going to be fine.

But also, just because you're very attractive doesn't mean like your brain is fine. It's like, who would it matter? I'm going to fuck somebody else. Of course we're going to fuck somebody else. No matter what you look like you're going to fuck somebody else. Sad Boy. Yeah. It's a hot,

hot sad boy. That's the best, who's the best hot sad boy? Who's like the great, who's like the all-time hot sad boy? Oh, God, that's a whole other podcast. That's a big question. Was Connor Oberst on your list?

He was my ultimate sad boy. That's, that's Molly's list. That's my penultimate, yeah, not penultimate. Right. Well, the platonic, like the sad boy. Did you ever see Bright Eyes Live?

Oh. Did I? How many times did you see? At least like six, like at least, at least. Yeah, I mean, but I feel like, like, Liam Hemsworth isn't a different, like, aesthetic category than Connor Oberst, you know? Like, he's not really a sad boy type physically, but it sounds like he is having a legitimately very sad time right now. So he is in the sad boy camp right now. He's in the sad boy camp. And I mean, of course, anyone would, you know, climb up that sad tree.

That's right. I will say on, like, my end, like, hot nerd girl is, like, way, like, you, In fact, you take really any hot girl and put big, thick-rimmed glasses on her, and I'm like way more into it. Like the pre-makeover, she's all that. Yeah, I'm way more into that. You're into pre, yeah. I watch that movie. I literally watch it in reverse. I just rewind it.

No, you don't. To see her become the true butterfly, the studious, sexy nerd girl. Can I put Michael B. Jordan on Hot Sad Boy list? Maybe. I only see him as like the villain. in Black Panther and he's like very much not a sad boy. See, I think more like Friday Night Lights

and I think like, you know He can get it in that. Yeah, he's got so. He's been a sad boy. He's got some sad boy. And Creed, I feel like he's got the sad boy thing. Definitely. He's doing it for his dad. Like doing that whole thing. Yeah, he's a hot set. Yeah. He can really play both though. He's very versatile.

Definitely. I feel like Jake Gile and Hall. Oh, Fruitvale Station. That's what I was thinking of. I'm sorry. Oh, Fruitville Station. That's where I'm thinking of the sad boy thing. But yes. Jake Gyllenhaal is a good hot sad boy because he's like so muskily

but also is like Nanny Darkoey I mean there's a little bit dated you could probably get a more updated hot sad boy. Please tweet at us let us know who you think the hottest sad boy is we want to see it we want to know yes we do because for now we've got a list to get oh who's on the list

Jackie yeah that list celebrities with bizarre habits you know I don't know how true some of this but there are definitely quotes in this list. We've got Jessica Simpson clocking in because you can't stop chewing Nicorette gum.

The problem is that, like, Jessica Simpson, she's like, the first time I ever chewed a piece of Nicorette gum, one of my close friend's mother gave it to me. I think she thought she was giving me a piece of regular gum. I was chewing it, and it was like a party in my mouth. It was like fireworks, and, oh, my God, I'm talking a million miles per hour, and I love this gum, and what kind of gum is this? I have to have this gum.

I'm so excited. I'm so scared. I'm so scared. Getting all fucked up on nicotine gum her whole life. She's getting all high on nicotine gum. She's never smoked and she likes chewing Nicorette gum. Wow, that is a very strange habit because I've seen people on nicotine gum and they get all fucked up from it. Yeah, it's very fucked up. It's jarring.

Yeah. It's a jarring experience. I think I only did it once and it was like, and in the deepest throes of my smoking addiction, I was like, couldn't hang. That's how my brother quit and it made him miserable because he would just he would go on this physical roller coaster

every time he put a piece of gum in his mouth so he couldn't stick to it. I've never tried one. I can't even imagine because it's like I don't want that much going on at one time. Yeah, it looked extremely unpleasant. Wow.

It's also unpleasant apparently for Pamela Anderson because she has a condition called isotropophobia which means she's scared of her own reflection. I kind of have this. I'm not afraid of it, but I really,

maybe it's just from my mushroom days, but I really avoid mirrors. Great. I don't like a lot of mirrors in the mouth. I'm just not super into mirrors. Really? And I love mirrors. Well, hashtag Leo season,

slash eight wheel seasons. So I love mirrors. I think women who wear makeup specifically and have to, you know, do, and guys who wear makeup too, but they are way more comfortable in front of a mirror. For me, it's like,

I don't have like a burning need to look into a mirror unless maybe I'm cleaning up the beard. But besides that, I avoid it like crazy. My problem is I haven't had a full length mirror in my house in like probably six years, not out of any purpose, just out of accident. I haven't had one. And so now when I see myself in a full length mirror,

I'm like, ah! I mean, especially now because my body is a real surprise every time I look at it. It's a real Pandora's box. You don't know what you're going to see. But even before that, I think that a full-length, like, a face mirror, a bathroom mirror, you look in the bathroom mirror, don't you? When you're brushing your teeth and stuff?

I mean, not really. When I'm brushing my teeth, I don't need to. If it's a grooming thing, then, yeah, if it's hair. I mean, definitely I'm not afraid of mirrors. I think that's on another level. But I definitely just, and I do actually think it's from tripping. I mean, I understand that. I still am scared of the bathroom whenever I am tripping on anything.

I just won't. I'll do any, I'd rather pee outside than go into the bathroom if I'm tripping. See, I'm trying to make it a point to be naked in front of the mirror a little bit more. Because I find that I definitely, that's a brain problem for me, that I'm just like, I should, I should look at it. I need to look at myself. I need to see what's happening. That's a great idea. I had a rude awakening this past week.

I like actually did that. I looked at my full naked body mirror and I was just like, who, that is not what I thought I'd You know what I mean? Like your perception is not what... This is what I want for the future, by the way. This is what a future idea I had. I'm going to lay it out for you guys, okay? I want there to be at some point for when we get Google glass or the real AR shit,

those glasses where you can like switch a camera angle and a camera that third person views me from like above, like a video game. And I want to be able to switch from first person to third person. To seeing how other people see you. And just view life in a different way. Because I'm like, it's so lame that all we, get in our day-to-day is this first person view of ourselves and everything around us. And I'll bet you would see yourself more generously if you saw yourself from a third person.

Yeah, you're like, okay, I'm not as bad. Yeah, yeah. But for some reason, it hit me. Like, I just saw like a, I don't know. I just, I don't know what's going on. I am working out like crazy. I'm just getting older. It's just so much.

We're getting old. That's life, man. Yeah, your body changes and then you don't look at a mirror for six years. And then you look in a mirror and you're like, oh. I saw a fold that I was like, didn't, I was not cool with. So we're working on it. The folds are scary sometimes. That's all right.

You're working progress. Motivation, that's fine. I'm to do it. I think that it's great, Jackie. I think that the project of saying I'm going to do this and I'm going to do it from a place of love is a very good thing to do. Yes. Yeah. That's where I'm at.

That's great. Good, good. Yeah. I'm going to start doing that too, actually. Because I think that's what I need to do Because that's why I got that rude awakening Because I don't think I've just Never look at it

Yeah I just don't look at it And it's not unlovable But I just don't look at it So I have a skewed perception Of what my body looks like And I think it takes practice To look in the mirror

And be prepared to love what you see Yeah You know Yes And now Nick Cage Depends on what he loves what He's eating He loves what he sees

He loves what he sees He loves what he sees No he looks at the mirror And he's like yeah Yeah Yeah yummy mummy Nick Cage picks which animals to eat depending on how they have sex.

He says, I love all animals, and I actually choose the way I eat according to the way animals have sex. I think fish are very dignified with sex. So are birds. But pigs, not so much. So I don't eat pig meat or things like that. I eat fish and fowl.

But like, is pig fucking that... Like, isn't that fucking? I want to be like Nick Cage. You don't need to say anything to make yourself more interesting. You're already Nick Cage. That's just something that somebody says to be like, here is my interesting thing.

It seems kind of kind of... You don't eat red meat, you don't eat pork. That's not that means. Yeah, just say that. You don't have to make it sex. That's fine. He's trying to make, he's trying to be, he's trying to out Nick Cage himself with this.

I find it a little bit tiresome. God, I would love to see two Nick cages in a room together. And just what would come out of that. Just face off with Nick Cage. Just two Nick Cage is trying to out do. Oh my God, I'd watch the hell out of it. Yeah. Oh my God, it'd be amazing.

Just trying to out be the same person. I also kind of feel like a, it's almost James McAvoy trying to out James McAvoy himself because I do love James McAvoy very much, but it is definitely the word on the street that he's an odd duck. I think he's very talented. I think he's very attractive. This is insane what you're about to say. So he picked up an unusual habit from his grandmother.

He says on the first of every month, I have to say white rabbit to the first person I see. My grandmother taught me that. It's good luck to say it. What the fuck is that? So you, okay, so it's good luck to freak a person out. My rabbit! once... White Rabbit!

It's good luck to freak someone out once a month. Because, like, nothing would freak me out more than, like, okay, let's say I get really high. I go to the bidet guy. Go, oh, my God, that's fucking James McAvoy. And he just turns to me and just like, White Rabbits. And I'm just like, oh, I would freeze the terror.

Was his grandma like a witch, or was she, like, well, that's what it makes me think of thinner. Like, it's like, I feel like it's going to, like, Stephen King thinner me or it's like, what does that mean, White Rabbit? What do you mean? I feel like it would fuck me up for the rest of the day. Oh, yeah.

Especially if James McAvover. boy is the one who says it to you. Yeah. Just like, that's it. I mean, it doesn't say that that's all he has to say. It just has to be the first person, he says. But, like, usually the first person I see in a day is the person I get my coffee from. And then I would just look at someone that's just trying to go about their date.

I just go, why drop it? Also, like, you got to really be on top of when it's the first of the month. I often don't realize it's the first of the month until it's the second or third, and I realize I got to pay rent. Yes, I forget. I never know what date it is. But that's, you know, these are the weird habits that's celebrity. can have.

Uh-oh. Everything's growing dark and I think I'm going. Blind items. There you go. Can we see them? I can't remember what our, can't remember what we landed on. Oh, right, okay. It's going dark.

All right, I have to do blind items. All right, this is what it is. It's going dark. I think I'm going blind and then I say items. You say items. We can't see them. All right. Let's try it.

That's a lot. Okay. Oh, no. It's kidding. So dark, I think I'm going. Blind. Items. We can't see them.

I just love it too because Molly's about to go in maternity leave. We're having madly come in for the next three months. And I think I'm excited to see how she struggles with this by well. Yeah, you got to coach her. Good opportunity. Yep, we have to coach her. This A-plus list wrapper filed paperwork to form a tax-exempt organization. I think he thinks he is going to.

funnel everything through this thing and have all his income declared as religious activity. Kanye. Absolutely. But I still have to do it. Oh, what? This thing is growing, guys. Kanye and his Sunday service church. It was brought, he brought his service to quote unquote the public.

It was like a closed thing. But he took it to this California worship center last Sunday. So now it's like an actual church. Gwen Stefani was in attendance. It's just getting bigger and bigger and more church-like. It's definitely centered around worshiping Christ. So I don't know if he's going to try to create his own sect of Christianity or what's happening, but it definitely looks like he may be, I don't know, pulling some craziness here with actually going full-fledged religion with this project.

I don't even know, guys. I will say it. It reminds me of like when, but to a way crazier scale. Like when Dylan, Bob Dylan went through his like gospel phase. Yeah. Every, a lot of these autore musicians go through their super religious phase and this may be just a phase. but that it's growing is freaking me out. Jackie, what do you think?

I'm scared of it. I'm scared of all of it. I'm absolutely terrified. And not because of religion. I think that religion is beautiful. It is not for me, but I do find that faith is a beautiful thing. I just don't know about the using the status of being a celebrity to,

I don't want to use the word hoodwink, because I think that faith and religion are two very different things, personally. I just, I'm scared of it. What's your favorite religion, and which one do you think is your least favorite? Well, I don't know. I don't know. I was raised, it was raised both Catholic and Unitarian. Oh.

I've got a lot. I know a lot about different religions. You know, I was raised Unitarian. I didn't know you were raised partially Unitarian. Yeah, yeah, we did both of them because my mom wanted us to learn about all the different religions so that we could choose for ourselves. And I appreciate that. I was like a Hindu, like, evil god in our holiday pageant, which was super fun. I almost converted to Judaism when I was 14 years old.

Interesting. And my mom was very proet. But turns out it takes a lot. It takes so much, Jackie. It takes a lot. I'm currently my co-host of Wisden the Bruiser, him and his lady. They're sort of doing that right now. And it is just sounds almost exhausting as being thick with child.

Molly, what do you think about this? I looked into converting to Judaism before my first kid was born so that she could officially be Jewish instead of just unofficially because her dad is Jewish, but I'm not. and it was about a 20-week class, and I did not do it on time. So I have yet to convert to Judaism, and I also, of course, would need to decide whether I believe, you know, I'm into it enough to do so.

What have you been too busy, rearing and having children? Molly, take the classes. You've got time. I've always liked learning about religion. Like, I was in a choir when I was a kid that would sing at all the different churches in town, so I feel like I got a little tasting menu of all of them, And I always liked it.

That's great. And I've always liked Kanye's use of religious imagery in his songs. Sure. Like, he definitely thinks he's Jesus. He's got a spiritual sort of situation. Right. Like, I feel like it's been a while where he's had an obsession with being a kind of Christ-like figure. But he does it so well lyrically that it's never bothered me because I always thought it was beautiful.

But this is an escalation. Yes. Because that's like, oh, yeah, yeah. Oh, taxes A. Uh-huh. You want one more? Don't believe the hype. This A-List, mostly movie actor, who is an Oscar-Winner nominee,

and just as good at stand-up comedy as acting isn't cheating on the B-List actress. All of you know, because the actress and actor are no longer together. B-movie, or B-I-I-I-List actress. I think she's mostly TV, actually, did some film. And this mostly movie actor, A-List, stand-o comedian as well. It's not Jim Carrey? It's not Jim Carrey, huh? Who's a stand-up comedy-comedy?

and a comedian and an A list actor who who won an Oscar. Who won an Oscar, not just an Oscar nominee. No, who won an Oscar. Recently? This Beelis actress, her like last big relationship was pretty crazy with the guy, kind of a religion situation

there that was weird. Oh, are we talking about Katie Perry and Jamie Fox? No. Jamie Fox and Katie Holmes. Okay, Katie Holmes, sorry. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Wow. Not Katie Perry. He does, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I forget all about Jamie Fox's fucking comedy Cruz. And that's insane. And that's so weird.

I just so see him as Ray. An actor, like an A-List actor now that that's really crazy. 100%. But he was like really, he had a huge, he was great at stand-up until he made the switch. Jamie Fox was spotted out in L.A. this past weekend with a pretty up-and-coming singer. Katie Holmes was

spotted out on her own with a big smile on her face that same weekend in New York City, not seeming to be very shooking up about any of it. This whole relationship though was like super low-key, right? Like a bunch of people very surprised. It was, but everyone knew it was happening, but they just didn't want to deal with it with the paparazzi, which I think is now, of course, no matter whether you want to or not,

everybody knows. It seems like it happened a little bit ago. Yeah. And the pretty singer, like, the pictures of the two of them, it very much looks like they're on it, dates, like different. They're like jet skiing together. They're like getting all dressed up and going to the club. Like, it looks like it's not just like him cultivating a singer's career. He's also, like, yeah, dating her. I'm not sure how to pronounce the. the name of her, it's like, Selivabe or something. Yeah, I didn't even write it down because it wasn't like. Yeah, Celavave, I believe.

It's spelled S-E-L-A-S-E-A-V-E. So my first reaction to this realizing slash remembering that they were in a relationship is that I'm very happy for Katie Holmes. I feel like that's a major upgrade from Tom Cruise. And I'm, I hope that she's out of the clutches of the, you know, the people who've been trying to really rein her in. God, I feel like if I was a celebrity. The problem is that no other person truly understands you but another celebrity,

but I feel like if I was a celebrity, the last thing I would want to do is, like, be in a power couple situation, just because your paparazzi status just gets elevated fucking immediately. Especially if you're Katie Holmes and you're trying to just, like, not have Tom Cruise life. Yeah. Yeah. And then another, like, giant superstar. I mean, that's just got to be so stressful. But Jamie Fox is a dream vote.

Sure. So. Yes. Oh, yeah. Point, counterpoint. I get it. Absolutely. Well, thank you guys so much for joining us this week.

And also, Molly, about to be a mother of two. We love you. We're going to miss you so fucking much. I'm going to miss you guys too, and I'm going to try to be back as soon as I can, maybe with the baby strapped to me, like last time. And you can have some little gurgles until the baby gets too outspoken, like my, you know, current child. Yes.

But yeah, I'm going to be back as soon as I can, and I hope that you guys have a lot of fun in my absence. We won't. I'm not going to have any fun without you here. It's going to be terrible. Don't leave me with him. I already want to apologize in advance. The new T-Swift album comes out in two days,

and I will have a word about it, I'm sure. I'm sure that you will. This is going to become a T-Swift and a Dugger podcast. Yes, it certainly is because the one, my sister-in-law, Natalie Jean, will be joining us for the next. a couple months while Molly is having a baby. And yeah, we've got lots of reality shows. It's going to be a lot of fun.

I watched that first Dugger documentary when they only had 14. That's my, I have taken the plunge. Yeah, yikes. If you want to shoot me over whatever Natalie recommends, I should watch Dugger-wise before our next episode. I will happily take a look. I'm now very morbidly curious after the obsessions

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