Page 7 - Episode 356: I'll Kiss Ya for Change

Episode Date: June 4, 2020

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Hey guys, welcome to page 7 this week. There's no singing this week. There's no singing this week. We're listening this week. And we're going to listen and we're going to keep listening. And yes, we are going to address everything that is happening right now. And we're also going to smile this episode. Yeah, we of course can't just do, you know, an episode and turn a blight on what's happening.

And at the same time, this is a pop culture podcast. I know. We will not be getting into the details. or trying to sit here and, yeah, spend an entire hour being some sort of like, Timmy be some sort of guru on this situation. So it's a little bit of a weird balance. But don't worry, I will be talking about how Katie Holmes definitely had a secret entrance that allowed her to get into the whole foods from her apartment building.

We will be talking about this. That will be later in the episode. We can't let this stuff trickle to the bottom of the news feed, you know. We got to, like, here at page 7, we can at least boost that type of story. keep it buoyant. That's what we're about here on page seven. But we need to discuss the fact that we support everything that is happening right now in the streets of our towns in both New York and L.A. And I'm very proud of the rest of the country.

This is not something that we usually discuss on this show. But we can't not talk about it right now. I don't know about you guys, but I'm very angry. And it needs to be discussed. I think we can start by. by saying that black lives matter and that there's no equivocation around that. Black lives matter and people are in the streets. There's uprisings across the entire country right now.

It's incredible. It's unlike anything that, it's building on everything that has been happening for years, but it's really unlike, you know, we're really living through something really important right now. And yeah, we wanted to. we would be remiss if we didn't acknowledge that this country is seeing an uprising about the way that black people are treated at the hands of the police in this country. And so the three of us wanted to start with that and to say that Black Lives Matter. Yes, Black Lives Matter. And I feel like also speaking towards what's been breaking my heart over the past several years, which is the stoking of flames.

Actually, Taylor Swift, I actually use the word stoking. the just absolute attempt to create this massive division between people using anger and hatred to get people to choose sides. It just disgust me and I hate it. And I think that's the part that I think upsets me the most, honestly. I just don't want to live in a world where everyone is constantly being pitted against each other. But I guess it feels silly to say I hate that the most when it's, again, it's also about how these people are being completely, for lack of a better word, fucked over aggressively at this point. So it's just not something.

For forever. For always. That our country is built on it, right? That these are the roots of our country, that we've never acknowledged it, that we don't learn about in school, that we pretend that we're all good. slavery was something that happened hundreds of years ago, move on, move on, move on. And if I might quote our queen, Taylor Swift, she was talking about hatred and stoking the fires, like you said, Holden, and she boldly and awesomely, as we all should, I think, used the words of white supremacy and racism.

She said, you know, she was talking about Trump, but she said stoking the fires of white supremacy and racism. And I just, you know, I feel like to see a celebrity name white supremacy and racism, You know, we live in like a, we grew up in the 90s. It was like the, I remember in the entrance of my elementary school, there was like a rainbow and then like a portrait of like stock photos, like a painting portrait of like stock photos of like kids of every different race. And it was just like, we're all cool.

And it's fine. It's a fine sentiment, right? But we grew up in like colorblind times and we're not used to naming racism and we're not used to naming white supremacy and we're not used to saying like black people are being killed by the police. And so I was very happy with Taylor Swift for doing that. Absolutely. Because it's an uncomfortable conversation and it's a scary thing to get into to say boldly before all of this because as well as here on page seven, I try to be peace. I want to stay in the middle. I never want to upset anyone. I believe in the power of people.

I believe in people. I believe in the good of humanity. And right now it is just shining light into the crevices of what we all know to be true. And it's time for this shit to stop. So if you don't agree with us and I maybe I shouldn't say this, bye, I don't care. You need to agree with this if you're going to keep listening to this show. There is no neutrality in the face of white supremacy and racism. There is no, and that's why I agree with so much with what you said, Jackie. There is one must pick a side and the side has to be the Black Lives Matter, you know?

And that's why I wanted to read, I think it's important for us, again, we are aware we're three white people. But that doesn't mean that we are not in this fight. I wanted to read some of the words by Ben O'Keefe. He's the former senior aide to Senator Elizabeth Warren, because he said this a lot more eloquently than I can ever even begin to think to say. He says, there are a few important things to think about as we're having that conversation. Don't put your burden of your sadness or your fear onto your black friends or onto black leaders that you follow because the truth is it's not the job of black people to educate you or to make you comfortable. Anti-racism isn't comfortable just like racism isn't comfortable for black people and people of color. Listen more than you speak.

Do your research. Ignorance by very definition is a lack of knowledge. So the only way to break down ignorance and your ignorance and the ignorance of others is through education. It's really important to learn the history of the struggle you're putting yourself into, to learn about the systems of oppression that exist and how you're complicit in them. And then, again, remember that it's not our job to educate you. It's not hard to educate yourself. Instead of asking your black friends and family how they're doing, you can reach out and say,

hey, I can't imagine what you're going through. I'm here if you need it. Because instead, what we often we get is this emotional outreach of, I'm so sad, I've been crying all day, I'm really struggling. and it becomes this really selfish thing where it's like, wow, if you, a white person, are sad and scared, ask how a black person feels. They're going out knowing they could die

as they protest the death of another. And we've just seen that again, another black death. When we have frank conversations about black lives and the role that every white person plays in systematic oppression, it's not an insult. It's not an attack. It's a reality. And so we can ignore reality or we can face reality.

Because only when we face that, only when we give ourselves permission to forgive ourselves, to look forward from this day forward, or permission to become better partners and co-conspirators in the movement, permission to educate yourself, permission to grow. That is being a good ally. We don't need you to carry the burden of your privilege. We need you to acknowledge it and to use your privilege, promote good and to fight oppression. And I feel like we're dealing with this space in which so many people are just finally starting to realize something

that so many of us have known for so long. I appreciate that and I understand the pain and fear because I've been living it every day of my life. But we don't have time for you to reconcile with your emotion. This is time for you to forgive yourself, to acknowledge your complicity and to do something about it, to move on and to make good. I love it. I think that there's a lot of like privilege discourse. And of course, I think it is a good time for white people to listen, to boost, to signal boost, you know, to step back to not center themselves. but I love that to say that, you know, I think that, you know, solidarity means, you know, a struggle together.

And I love that you said, Jackie, that, you know, this is something that we, you know, as white people, I think we can acknowledge, you know, racism is a harm to, of course, it's not harm to white people the way it is to black people, that this is wrong. And that this is, we will also struggle as people who don't experience racism, that we can struggle alongside those who do. And that, you know, that is that is solidarity and that we want to fight together. And let us know, and please reach out. Let us know what we can do for you. What you need us to pass along using our platform, we're here for you. Yeah, that's, I think the trickiest thing from my perspective is like, I know what I, where I stand on all this stuff. But it's so, it's in this day and age, it's so difficult to figure out the right way to voice that.

And the right way to speak out. and the wrong way. You know what I mean? And like, I mean, that's why essentially what I've tried to do, it's been kind of a minimalist approach in the sense of like, I just need to push the lens towards these people could actually fucking speak towards this shit. Right.

You know what I'm saying? Because like, yeah, definitely outside of, of course, like having plenty of discussions and having tons of friends who have the perspective and the experiences. you know, I'm super outside of it, you know what I mean? And I'll admit that. And so I feel like a complete dickhead going on social media and, you know, getting on a pulpit. Right.

You know what I mean? And so I think that's been the interesting time right now where it's like, if I'm sure honestly something should have been said a long time ago, but it finally boiled over where it's like, I can't just not, I can't just stay out of it and be like, I don't, you know, kind of essentially take the view, Taylor's. Swift took up until she really got into it and Miss Americana, but really being like, I can't just stay out of it anymore. You can't just do that.

It's a nervous conversation. That's also not cool. That's not okay. I want a straight positive, but life isn't positive. I want everybody to get along and I don't want to upset anybody and I don't want to say anything. You know, and I'm super politically stupid. And I'll be the first person to admit that. I'm a political dumb, dumb boy because it bores me to tears a lot of times.

and yada yada yada but like when when but this sort of thing it's different right and you do actually need to say something and this has been like a long time coming and i tried to be fucking cool about that election i tried to kind of do what chapel said we should do in his s&L monologue and say well it happens of course we didn't want this but let's sit back and see and it's a fucking shit show and and undeniably a shit show. I don't give a fuck. You can't deny it.

It's not a shit show right now. And it's not just because nothing. It's not for no reason, right? Like that we're here now four years later. Like not a surprise. You know? So, so, yeah. So it's time to say something.

And it's also time to pull up blueprints and figure out exactly how Katie Holmes managed to secretly go to her apartment. It's all he can think about. I do just want to say real quick, the places I have donated to so far, please look up the Black Visions Collective, the National

Bailout, Unicorn Riot, and the People's City Council Freedom Fund. Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. These are four places that I have donated to already, and if you cannot donate through money, I am trying to keep putting up things of other ways that we can donate our time

and donate the resources we do have because most people can't do that right now. And I am able to do that. And that's great, but it's not enough. And this is going to be the beginning of a turning point in all of our lives, as it fucking should be. Jackie, I'm so glad to hear you shout out those organizations, especially Unicorn Riot, who is, they live streamed what's been going on in Minneapolis, just like they're an invaluable resource. and bailout fund because they're locking people up in the middle of a pandemic and people got to get bailed out.

And there's all sorts of incredible bail funds all over the activists have been organizing around bail funds for decades. And it's such valuable work. And right now it's just never been more important. So if you can't go because you're, you know, I can't go because I'm watching kids. If you can't go because you're working or you're immunocompromised or you are, you know, for whatever litany of reasons that you can't put yourself out in person, you know, you can donate to those organizations, especially bailing people out of jail.

And also, you know, keep in mind on your city and state budgets and call your representatives. And, you know, you can demand action in terms of defunding the police and funding community support programs and those types of things. This has to produce change. It's time to listen. It's time to learn. It's time to grow.

and it's also time to start laughing because now we're going to switch. Now we switch it up. And I'm just waiting to wind to kick in so that we can start laughing again because I don't remember how to anymore but we're going to try to you today. All right guys?

I picked a great week to take a few days off of drinking. Interesting. So actually I have not been drinking through all of this. So this was when I started drinking. I've been sipping on my, I'm saying, to my orange crush right now. Good for you. Bad Girls Club.

Sugar Bad Girls Club more like. Sugar Bad Girls Club. When Jackie said you was going to read that very, very beautiful passage from Ben O'Keefe, I wasn't familiar with who that was. And so I googled Ben O'Keefe. And I thought, huh, interesting that Jackie's going to read a passage from a rugby union referee from New Zealand. He currently referees at domestic super rugby and test match.

level. O'Keefe became a professional referee for the New Zealand Rugby Union in 2013. And he's got things to say about our country. A right, rugby has a lot to do with this. Worth noting he appears to be a white man, but I was like, all right, this apparently this celebrity rugby player that I wasn't familiar with is who we're going to start with. And I think that's great. In reality, you know, he's a very smart and, may I say, very attractive man that was working with Elizabeth Warren because, wow. I'm like, is that part of it? I'll kiss you for change.

And no, I don't mean Pence and I don't mean quarters. I mean real change. And speaking of beautiful people who are absolutely righteous and done with the cause, just listen to everything John Boyega is saying. Absolutely 100% of John Boyega. He doesn't give a fuck. And he even said, what did he say, Molly?

He was just like, I don't care if I have a job after this. Yeah, he said, I don't know if I'll have a career after this. But the Star Wars official page said we stand with and support you, John Boyega. Oh, good. We'll see. We'll see. What's the other one?

Who's the man that made it, the badman? Vader. George Lucas? George Lucas. You'll see what George Lucas has to say about the badman. Isn't he bad? I feel like he's bad. Yeah, we'll see what Darth Vader has to say.

Technically, he did come around in the end in Return of the Jedi, of course, right, before he passed away. But maybe his ghost will say some. Spoiler alert. Oh, shit. Sorry. I thought you watched them all. No, I watched the first one. It was so boring.

I didn't keep watching. I feel like, and I know we are moving on to laughter, but I do feel like it's worth pointing out the hollowness of the litany of corporations that tweet it, that are tweeting about this. And perhaps, first and foremost, I want to start with love is blind, who has weighed in. Oh, and if we all know, Love is Blind known for their diversity. Absolutely. Oh, wow.

Certainly. Love is Blind. Certainly. Although, props to Amber, the absolute craziest bitch for Love is Blind, who is in the streets in Atlanta protesting. Fuck, yeah, girl. Oh, wow. I hope she's biting people.

I imagine she bites in a protest. But, yeah, Love is Blind is weighing in, but like every, you know, Netflix is weighing in. every corporation and all of that is totally fine, right? Fine. But like, for example, the Washington Redskins was like Black Lives Matter. And a bunch of people were like, you could change your name if you care about racism, right? And so it's like one of these things where as celebrities weigh in, like, there are certain

celebrities that we will absolutely spotlight, Taylor Swift, John Boyega, who are like doing the real shit, John Cusack, who was totally like attacked by the end like TV. And also, I will say, and I do appreciate, Cole Spouse was a. arrested. And what I... Yes, props to close praise. What I like about him, though, is that he immediately went to his social media and he's like, guys, the media is immediately going to make this about, hurrah, look at this young celebrity.

He's like, that's not why I'm doing this. And just like ripped apart everything that people were writing about him of like, he actually got arrested. He's like, no, no, no. He's like, yes, it wasn't fun. But that's not what this is about. This struggle has to keep going. You have to keep doing these things.

And so he was trying to squash with the media that was like lifting him up as a white savior. He was trying to turn that around. And honestly, Cole Spouse is the real deal. He was, he's been like consistently pretty awesome in his politics and seems to have like a strange, for a celebrity has like a strangely strong understanding that he shouldn't center himself. And, you know, it makes sense because Jughead's the only one

with any fucking sense around here, Jackie. I mean, I get it, but also so, so is Vanessa Morgan. So Vanessa Morgan, who plays Tony Topaz on CW's Riverdale, also spoke out on Twitter that said that she is tired of how black people are portrayed in media, tired of us being portrayed as thugs, dangerous, or angry, scary people, tired of us also being used as sidekicks, non-dimensional characters to our white leads. She continued on and saying, or only used in the, ads for diversity, but not actually in the show.

She continued, it starts with the media. I'm not being quiet anymore. She also is very open about the fact that she makes almost half of what her co-stars make. And it's because, again, she's used in all the posters, but she's not in, we love, you listen to Riverdale Roundup. I would say the one thing that we are always a thousand percent on is that we love Shera Blossom and we love Tony Topas. And we're always screaming for more Tony.

It's so true. And Riverdale is one of these shows where they're like so much. much, like, Riverdale's like 50 to 75% better than, like, you know, most of the shows that came a generation before it, like, all of the shows that came a generation before it, like, even many of its shows now in terms of representation, like, there's so many queer characters, like, there are characters of color, but it's like, what is another example of, like, oh, there was just some other show, it'll come to me, but, like, where you watch it and you're like, oh, this show is diverse, and then you realize that, like, the four,

core characters are white. And then it's so diverse in terms of its boyfriends and girlfriends and brothers. And like, you know, the people, like, and so I feel like that's such a baller thing to say. And honestly, for an actor, it's got to be scary as shit. It's scary. Like, I'm clearly criticizing the show that currently employs me, you know? Yes. And it has to be very scary.

In fact, when people tweet out again towards her as well, they're like, not only you, one of the black characters on the show, but also you're a lesbian. That should be double the pair. And I think that's kind of thing. I mean, I feel like now's the time to speak out, though, of course, because of the five-year time jump that's about to happen. Really, this is the time. And I'm also going to say,

I am anti-five-year time jump. I want to come out as someone who is against the time jump. All you do is love five-year time jump. But I will say not as much as I love. Chromatica, which we weren't able to talk about last week, and now it is time. We got to talk about Lady Gaga's new album. It is, I think it's, have you guys listened to All of Chromatica yet?

Yes. No, I apologize. Wow. Whoa. Oh, have other things been happening in the world? Big. Big. I should, you know what?

Freddie loves pop music. I should just listen to it throughout the course of the day whilst caring for the children. Because I've been singing, call me maybe a lot, and she will sometimes just go, maybe, like she's calling me maybe. So I should just introduce her to, I need to like expand my pop horizons and Freddie's pop horizons. Also, may I bring up, Molly, the video that you sent Holden and I of Freddie and you going, Everybody.

And heard she going, yeah, rock your body. She goes, yeah. I wanted to die. You made my ovaries explode, which I don't. need right now. I can't be sopping up an ovary mess right now, Molly. I decided it was time to introduce Backstreet's back and, you know, this is the, some people are homeschooling their children. And I'm also homeschooling my children in the history of the last 15 years of number one pops up. Yeah. So, yeah, Lex and I actually threw it on last night or was it two nights ago. But either way,

I want to throw it out there. Really fun couple activity? Get Tetris. versus we play Puyo Puyo Tetrus. It's a combination of the two games. But we just love to put on some music and sit and just fucking play Tetris until we hate each other. I can't. My anxiety can't handle Tetris. I can't handle the music.

Well, the thing though, we mute the Tetris and we just have really fun, like, especially pop music is the best because of the beat and everything. And you really kind of get into the rhythm of it while you're dropping blocks. So, yeah, we threw on Kramatica. And that was probably my second or third listen. I have to say my standouts would probably be free woman.

Really like a lot. Really like I like 911. I really like Sour Candy, the Black Pink song. That song has been in my head all week. Sour candy. It's so good. I also love 911 too. 911's really good.

But in a weird baller move, the same day that Lady Gaga released her album, that was the same day. So I'm still not exactly, I don't really get it. So Britney Spears had a song called Mood Ring. It was on the deluxe album of her album, of her album, Glory. So she re-released the song that was previously only available in Japan. That's fine.

But also re-released, and I was like, oh, no, it's a whole album. And then I looked at it. It was not an album. That's the same album. But with an added song onto it, but with the new album art. and so just re-released it the same day as a new album, but it's not a new album? Well, I listened to the song,

and I think it should actually be called Underwhelmer. Whoa. It's a fucking snooze alert. Oh, wow. Hit that snooze. Sleep for another five minutes while you listen to the song. Wow. Man, we're dropping a lot of truths today.

Emotions are running high. Wow. Yeah, dude. Very scary. It's not a very good song. I'm concerned about her mental health, though. I just want to throw that out there for anybody listening. I'm very concerned.

Very much so. But that song can go, fuck it, sell. And you can tell her that. No, don't. I don't know if she can handle it. Not with a tiny chair in her house. It's a spare spiral. She'll shave her fucking armpit hairs.

I love watching, I mean, I don't love watching her on social media, but I do enjoy Britney Spears' social media presence. I love for her dance videos that she puts up every day. But that's because her children were taken away from her. But that's something that we will bring up whenever we do our pop history episode on Britney Spears. Because that's the whole thing we need to unpack. It is very upsetting. That's going to be fucking fascinating, dude.

Holy shit. But what's also fascinating is my other lover, Sia, someone who I will, I just, I'm obsessed with Siam. see ya. Everything she does, I just, I want to kiss her on her little face. I want to pull up the wig and I want to kiss her little face. And with something I didn't even realize that she recently came out and said that she last year adopted two 18 year old men essentially that were aging out of the foster care system. Well, I mean, they're boys. They're not yet men. They're not quite a, they're not quite a man. Not yet a puppet. a boy to bring it back to Britney Spears.

More like, go-to-sleep sounding song than mood ring. I'm going to go ahead and say. I'm so thankful to Britney Spears, though, for giving us that language of not yet a woman, no longer a girl because or whatever the fuck it is, I'm getting it wrong. But it really is, there is no more oft appropriately quoted song than that, I think. Yeah, honestly. It's very useful. For sure.

For sure. Except with her, it's very upsetting because of everything else that was going on. But we're not going to get into an arrested development situation. You know, they say that, I forget who said this, but they were quoting someone else. They say that the year you become famous is the age you're trapped in for the rest of your life. Hello. And you watch your interviews? Yeah.

I mean, it is. Michael Jackson. Yeah. Yes. The year you become famous, you were stuck in that age for the rest of your life. paparazzi. I mean, look at Britney Spears' artwork. I mean, she even had her first solo art show in France, I think, at the beginning of this year. But, you know, throwing it out there, it's a little bit like Paris Hilton. Her artwork, I mean, there's a lot of butterflies. And I'd say that they're not beautiful. But I'm just saying, I'm saying, I don't know if she would have gotten a solo art show based on that if she wasn't Britney Spears. Oh, I'm sorry. I just got very scared because music started playing in my ears from one of the web, sight and I thought that was just you being terrified at your own words and your own thought. No, no, no, no. I thought that there was all of a sudden, I thought someone jumped out with a bunch of

violins behind me, which out's a very scary prank to play on somebody. But there's all these videos of her doing art with her children, the children, yes, that were taken away from her. And it's got to be, it's got to be difficult for her. But that's again, a story for another day. Wait, I'll talk about Sia for a little short minute, which is my only relationship to Sia is that I love the show so you think you can dance. And so you think you can dance the next generation is the one for kids. And I know I've mentioned it too many times on the show already. Never too many. But Maddie Ziegler was the child judge so you think you can dance the next generation.

Well, because she was also on dance moms. Right, right. She was like the famous child dancer for like being on the show that's like about bad child fame and bad moms and whatnot. And so her younger sister was on dancing with the Stars Jr. But so Maddie Ziegler is like the like the person in all of the Sia music videos. And I was not, I knew Sia's music, but I had not watched her music videos. And so I watched Maddie Ziegler on, so you think you can. dance for all this time and was like, all right, like, she gives good feedback, but like,

what's this girl's deal? Like, I know she's a professional dancer, but like, I, she's, you know, I wasn't quite sure how to feel about her. And then, you know, like an idiot, like, you know, way after the fact of watching her be this judge and talking about dance technique and stuff, I watched her in the sea of music videos. And I was like, man, this is so interesting and so cool and good. And like, you know, we talk all the time about how, like, child singing is annoying and how, like, child, like, there's such a weird relationship to exploiting child talent and using it for, like, to create, to, like, engender just, like, kind of, like, positive feelings that are really hollow. And, like, and then you watch Sia and you watch Maddie Ziegler

as a kid dance in Sia music videos. And it's so interesting. It's just such a creative, like that Sia puts this like incredible kid dancer out, but not with like creepy, you know, like that Steve Harvey little big shots show. It's like, it's so, how dare you bring up little big shots? It's like so the opposite of dance moms, right? It's so the opposite of dance moms.

It's so the opposite of little big shots. It's just like. It's not sexualizing her. It's her art. It's beautiful. It's like, oh my God, a 10 year old is like giving fucking visualization to the work of this like beautiful music. It's like stunning.

And and I was so like it was such a like wonderful discovery to see that to kind of put all that together in watching Sia music videos for the first time. Well, and that's especially the music videos and also on stage, which it's so powerful to watch a tween at the time with Sia in the background singing face covered and it was just a tween alone. on a stage, dancing and filling the entire stage with her artwork. It's so beautiful.

I love it. I was, I want to, like, I guess they still haven't released it. Her entire, I fell in love with Sia when they, her entire Coachella set was released. But it was only online for like a couple days and then removed.

And you can only see like one or two clips from it. But that entire show is absolutely fucking incredible. And honestly, it's Sia who I can. thank for my pop renaissance that I've been having. Really? She's the number one. Yeah.

I got way into a sea hole and next thing led to next thing and all of a sudden I'm listening to Charlie XX and T Swift and all that stuff. Well, because Sia was a writer for so many huge pop stars. So she's been famous for a long time, but wasn't the face of her music. She was just writing songs for other people. But she's written so many hits. It's nuts. And she just didn't want to ever be in the spotlight, which again is why she's why

she covers her face. But then she becomes part of the spotlight when she says things like, oh yeah, a year ago I just adopted two 18-year-olds that were aging out of the foster system so that I could help them get an education

and be there for them as a guide. I just didn't want to be a mother of kids, which we need more people like you see. Right. There's what we need in the world. That rule so much. And like there is like such a thing about kids aging out of the foster system and not having any support.

And for somebody with her platform to just be like, oh, yeah, B2W, I adopted two kids. I'm going to help them. They're old. It's fine. Like, it's just so cool. Also, I do love in this interview that we were reading of her, she also, I guess she's not like a big sexual person, but she did slide into Diplo's DMs, apparently. That was the best part of the article.

I love it. That was like so. hidden in the article. It was like, that's the, and again, it's why you always have to read the whole article because the headline is great. Sure, it is, but yeah, read this tweet from Sia to Diplu. I wrote him a text and I said,

hey, listen, you're like one of five people that I'm sexually attracted to. And now that I've decided to be single for the rest of my life and I just adopted a son, I don't have time for a relationship. So if you're interested in some no-string sex, hit me up. The best.

I love it, very open about it, which is, again, something that I very much appreciate from someone that's also openly not a very sexual person. So you got to take it when you can get it when you're not feeling it. And I think that's another thing that we need more people to look up to that are more asexual than they are sexual. And it's great to have people open up and speak about these things to make young people feel like, okay, I'm not alone. I don't want to feel alone. Fuck, yeah. Are we all alone?

No, man, we're all together. No better time to see it than now. Then now we're all trapped in our homes. We're not allowed to leave, sort of, except for we're all supposed to hit the streets. Fucking, I don't know what's going on. The world. The world is over.

But you know what? The world isn't over for Katie Holmes. I don't think. Oh, are we talking about a celebrity? Motherfuck. Motherful, conspiracy theory. I think we're talking about it.

Cockadoodle who. Well, this week, it's Katie Holmes. Does Katie Holmes have a secret entrance to Whole Foods? Question mark, question mark. Question mark. Let's go back to the year 2012.

Oh, what a wonderful year. Obama had just been re-elected. Kickstarter is all the rage. And Katie Holmes who just moved into a Manhattan apartment complex called the Chelsea Mercantile, after filing the divorce papers that would formally end her marriage with Tom Cruise. So this fancy building featured a private garage and a Whole Foods market at street level.

Holmes and her six-year-old daughter, Surrey, started getting spotted by the Papps within the building. But here's the catch. Though the paparazzi could find homes inside the Whole Foods, they could never find her entering or exiting, said Whole Foods. Does she have a secret entrance? At least not via the front entrance. The only official way to enter the building. Mindy. There's only one entrance to a grocery store.

There's no other entrances for goods to come in and out. No. She must be teleporting. I think it's really, it's probably teleporting. But I guess I'll listen to this. A secret Scientology dark art that she picked up before she got dipped out of there. Or she's like hiding herself in like a palette of strawberries and going in that way. With the baby, the baby suffocated, it's fine.

I just imagine they wake her up the next day and she just like covered in strawberry juice. She goes, I ate a chill off, fell asleep. Oh, Katie Holmes. Her brain is all scrambled because of the Scientology. So some reporters took it upon themselves to get to the bottom of this fuck show of a situation. This is a fuck show. You know what? Never mind the global pandemic.

Never mind. never mind the civil rights movement that's happening right now. This is the fuck show we need to be discussing. In May of 2013, yes, the widest thing we could positively discuss. Katie Holmes getting a secret to a Whole Foods. In May of 2013, Jordan Taylor, a reporter for the New York Observer, decided to investigate this situation. Taylor wrote,

We needed to know, is it a secret evolving bookshelf, activated by touching a certain tone? Does she enter through a nondescript girls' bathroom, a la Harry Potter in the Chamber of Secrets? Can Katie Holmes teleport? These people not know about freight elevators and shit. It's a grocery store. How dare you, Molly?

It's a grocery store. How dare you, Molly? There's so many entrances to the groceries. Unbelievable. No, as someone that worked for an establishment and customer service, I know, only one door. That's where the rats come in, and that's where the rats leave as well.

We ask a Whole Foods employee if Ms. Holmes really has a private entrance to the grocery store. He laughs. He has heard the rumor before. But he says there's definitely no secret entrance for the rich and famous. There's no back cave in here. There's only one door, he said. In 2015, a reporter for Gawker, remember Gawker guys? Named Giac K. Schroeder.

Can you believe that it was actually Hulk Hogan that ended that website? Did you watch that doc? Did you ever see the Hulk Hogan sex tape? Because we watched it on page seven, like eight years ago. Like every day for eight years. Oh, man, the burping. I did start the doc, but I don't think I finished it. It's so funny because like Gawker was such an important website and for the entire horrific

downfall of Gawker at the hands of Halkoga and all I could think about was that, you and Marcus imitating that fucking sex date. And it was like, oh. And then his daughter calling and him answering and then she's bouncing on him and he starts burping up all the barbecue he had eaten. I've been next to someone that's eating a bunch of barbees. Pugent starts burpin. Can you imagine having sex through that?

It was such an important political story, and all I could think about was you and Marcus reenacting that sex tape for years. That story will forever be ruined by you and Marcus. So a reporter for Gawker named J.K. Trotter did some deeper investigations, and after finding a very curious door with an adjacent and the adjacent whole body store, which is a wellness a store directly next to and also owned by Whole Foods, went and got construction blueprints from the city of New York's department of buildings, which indicated a connection between the two and the Chelsea Mercantile in the cellar.

So then the Gawker reporter, after releasing the article, gets an email from a previous resident at the Chelsea Mercantile. The resident said, I've lived in the mercantile since redacted. What? And have it on at, yes, this is top secret source. and have it on excellent authority that there is indeed a way

to enter Whole Foods from the basement of the building. Now, I haven't entered that way myself, but a very good source with the building tells me that it is possible. The source claims it's only possible with permission from Whole Foods and that it only happened once.

Source confirms that person was Ms. Holmes, says Whole Food, for whatever reason, did not want to set a precedent, so didn't continue the practice. The reporter confirmed that this person's residency at the Chelsea Morgantile was indeed

a thing that happened and also confirmed the resident source to be a knowledgeable member of the building's management. I don't even need to ask you ladies if it's true because it's true. This is scary. She had a secret interest all foods. Never been dumb before. Only for her.

It's a big top secret conspiracy and I just... You blew the top off of it. All of their breasts are hanging out because their tops are all gone. Freeing the nipple and freeing Katie Holmes all at the same time from the shackles of her lies. Case closed. Clon, clon, clon, clon.

Oh, my God. Now, do you think that this was, so this was after the marriage contracted ended? Yes, this was the divorce papers were freshly filed. Yeah, that was the sad part where she had to keep her father on the phone with her as she made her way all the way from wherever. her estate was to the Manhattan residents so that she didn't get kidnapped by Scientologists and was able to actually fully

free herself from Tom Cruise. That happened right before. The fucking Whole Foods allowed a secret entrance. But what if the Whole Foods was owned by a Scientologist? They created the secret entrance so that she could get

through it and then they kidnapped her, replaced her with a clone. And that's why she's never spoken out against Scientology and why she's quote, unquote, still alive. Maybe it happened in the titles underneath the Whole Foods. Let me ask you this, Jackie, does a mage don a cloak? Of course that's what happened. Of course, that's what happened.

She is a clone. This is like, that's the thing. This Whole Foods thing is like the 15th most important conspiracy theory about Katie Hall. I know. I don't know why it was on the list I've been used. I like that it is, it's an off, it's off the cuff one because we all know that she was auditioned. We all know that her child is a test tube baby. Now, as I'm even looking up Katie Holmes, it's even saying that it's possible like the way of Beyonce,

that it's also possible that it was a fake pregnancy as well. Because we all know Tom Cruise didn't put that child inside of her science, put the child inside of her. Oh yeah, absolutely. And it's just unbelievable that anyone would ever, for a moment, think that they would be able to access a whole foods right from their door. But don't we think that probably many a grocery store in Chelsea specifically have private celebrity entrances, right? Like, I feel like she can't be the only bitch who used this secret door. One. No.

She's the only one. They didn't want to set a precedent. No. That's the part I don't believe. Because then they have to let C-List celebrities get. They have to let like reality stars kids and stuff like that. I remember when Chrissy Teigen was talking about the secret terminal at LAX that celebrities can fly in and out of as well.

It's one that's not even, you can't even get to it through the actual airport. Like this is a real thing. That they have their own separate terminal. so that they can go right from their cars and walk right to the plane. They also have a bunch of private suites, but it's something you have to pay into, you have to pay $3,500 for membership to the VIP terminals. It's just crazy to think about life like this

where that will never be our existence. That is something that will never even possibly happen for any of us ever. There's also memberships that started $7,500 a year as well, and that allows for four guests, no additional charge, plus free parking, car detailing, pre-flight massages, in sweet, manicures, haircuts, you know what? Get rid of the rich. We're getting rid of all of them.

I'm down. We're taking it back, and then we get the pre-flight massage. Never a better time. Unless I become rich, and then don't do that. Well, here's the thing. It can be both. All right, Mariah Carey. Everybody.

Everybody deserves the pre-flight massage. You know, we don't have to give it up. We just have to redistribute it. All right, Che Guevara. Redistribute the massages holding. Okay. Private terminal for everyone. Che Guevara.

What year is it? Oh, my God. I just imagine you start wearing, like, you buy the Che shirt from Target, and I don't mean our friend Che. I mean Big Chee. And then he started going to. I get it. I understand. I think we're just going to move right along, guys,

because I am very excited about the rest of this list. We're going to get even further into it because it's time for the goddamn list. What? Oh! Who's on the list? Jackie, got to have that list. Well, it's scarred celebrities

because we're going back to this because, again, so many of these celebrities, it's very interesting stories. Like Steve Bouchemi, Bushemi got the scar on his face. He's got the scar and I've always noticed this and I always wondered he got it while filming

the movie domestic disturbance. Did you guys ever see that? I was obsessed with domestic disturbance because for a while before I realized that he was just a big jump. I was very sexually attracted to Vince Vaughan and he was bad daddy in it

and I was very into that. But apparently Bouchemmy... Like that lollipop girl. Yeah, I liked the lolley. pop, I'm just like the owl. A one, a two, a three. But apparently one day, Steve Buscemi and Vince Vaughn and screenwriter Scott Rosenberg went out to a bar called the Firebelly Lounge.

After a woman started chatting to Vaughn, a fight broke out with her boyfriend. Bouchemey rushed to his friend's aide, and that's when 21-year-old Timothy Fogarty stabbed him above the eye in the jaw, in the throat, and in the arm. Bushemie could have died from his wounds. Luckily, he survived. The police had to use pepper spray to put an end to the brawl. So he went in to go protect Vince Vaughn, who was macket on somebody else's girl. Makes sense, you chomp.

But Steve Bishemey is the winner here, except he's not. But he does look, you know what? I think he's still just as beautiful. Would you want you? Would you want you? Steve Bouchemmy or Vince Vaughn? Steve Bishemi. I wouldn't.

But I've never admitted this in public because it's so embarrassing. But since you opened the door, Jackie, I also liked Vince Vaugh and Circa of the Swinger days. Wow. We have to see. You know, Confessions is great. Swingers is great. Swingers is great. He took a sharp down hill after that, but he was quite cute in Swingers.

No, it was around the same time with the cell and Vincent Dinoffrio for me. So you know what? I stand by my Dinoffrio. I'm a forever a Dinoffrey bitch. Denefrio is like. Like, I still have a thing where I think that Mark Ruffalo reminds me of Vincent Dinoffrio, which might be why I now want to bang Vincent Dinoffrio. And also continuing wanting to bang Mark Ruffalo, especially as Hulk as sexy daddy Hulk.

Definitely. In the newest one, I saw the movie. I saw the one that the kids saw. The one with sexy daddy Hulk. I saw that one, so go me. You know, it's little victories in this world with the taco. and he has the taco. Yeah, how, oh my God, so cute.

And then he puts the glasses and a Cardi on. Oh, my God, Cardi on the floor, please. Harrison Ford, though, he got the scar on his chin back in 1964 when he moved to L.A. to pursue a career in Hollywood. He was driving to his job at Bullock's department store one morning when he realized that he forgot to put his seatbelt on. While Ford was fumbling for it, he veered off the road and crashed the car into a telephone pole. The crash was so powerful that Ford slammed his chin on the steering wheel and then flew through the windshield.

Whoa. No, I'm calling it right here. I'm calling it. Celebrity conspiracy theory. This is a, this is a fake story. Really? Really? Yes, he was drunk or he was getting a BJ or something. I was trying to put my seatbelt on and I crashed the car. He got a world according to garped. Is that what you're saying? Yeah, he got a world according to garped. Exactly. That's exactly. No, I'm sorry.

That could happen to someone. It could not happen to Harrison Ford. He definitely is lying. It is just a weird thing of like, I was trying to put my seatbelt on and whoo, whoop, whoop, whoop, boop, boop. Like that's, yeah, no. We all know how to put our seatbelt on. I mean, it just, I know accidents happen, but see, you're right. You're right.

Celebrity conspiracy theory. If anyone tells me that that's how they got their scar, I will believe them. But I won't believe Harrison Ford. He was doing something bad because this is. the most virtuous story, and I don't believe a virtuous story from him. Ooh, this is not, like, it's kind of a virtuous story, but this is, man, terrifying. Sharon Stone, I've noticed it before again because I've stared at a couple of her pictures. Stone has a scar on her neck, and she got the scar on her neck when she was a child because

she was riding on a horse and ran into a taut cord. Stone scar is concealed in a lot of publicity photos using. make of her airbrushing, her head was gonna get caught up. She almost got your next. What did we do in the shadows? Just did that, or was that from season one? Oh my God, are you watching what we do in the shadows now, Molly?

Yes, it's so good. Yes, welcome to the perfect television show. This scenario is my, I don't know why I have this particular waking nightmare of, but this, oh, don't tell me what happened to Sharon Stone again. This is an unpleasant story. Oh, this is, see, this is also another one that shrouded, and I don't know if I trusted, because we know that Joaquin Phoenix grew up in a cult. Joaquin Phoenix was born with a scar between his lip and nose.

It's most likely a microformed cleft, which is the mildest form of cleft lip, and usually appears as a scar or a small notch. The actor said in interviews, though, that he thinks it's a birthmark that was the result of an act of God, he said. While pregnant with me, my mother felt a sharp pain one day, and I was born with a mark on my heart. my lip, which, you know, maybe, you know, they had a rough upbringing. Oh, uh, all those Phoenix kids. Who will ever know the truth? Is it Sandra Bullock? She is a tiny scar near her left eye.

She reportedly had it since she was little and she fell into a lake once and hit her head on a rock. See, again, I think she was receiving a blowjob drunk in a car. More blow job stories, but do you think that's exactly how that went down? Was Prince William getting a blowjob? when he apparently was accidentally hit with a golf club when he was 13. 100%. And it was a sharpened dildo in order to sort of play against the rules, as they call it in Jolly.

Put a little spike in it. Is that what they always say? A little spiker, yeah, when they sharpen the dildo and then they play hit the face. Yeah, that's a British thing. Oh, this is another one that, oh, he came out and said he was a liar, Ed Shearin. Uh-oh, Molly's favorite. What? Wait, what?

What? What? I feel like every time I break up Ed Shearer, you're like, fucking hate Ed Shearer. I like your unabashed hate for him, and I think I always think about you whenever I think about Ed Shearant. Because he's always to ride a horse into a taut wire. Oh, my God. Get a mild scar. How do you hate me so bland?

That's fine. I don't really want him to ride a horse into a tot wire. but I don't want to be accused of liking him. It's British Starbucks. He is British Starbucks. And apparently he lied. And so he's got a cut. He's got a scar on his face.

And he said that his face got cut when Princess Beatrice accidentally hit him with a ceremonial sword. Apparently, that was a lie that he and James Blunt fabricated. I guess there was a meeting of the British Starbucks mines. Apparently Ed Sheeran was just drunk, fooling around. and he cut himself. I just, I think that is fun imagining someone drunk and just like playing with a knife

and you just accidentally cut yourself in the face, right? I'm assuming that's what happens. Yeah, that actually makes him a little bit more interesting to be honest. I will say he is openly a drunk, like if he ever talks about like, you know, I don't know, getting healthy or whatever, he's always like, I just love me pubs and me beers.

Me pubs and me points. I love me points. He likes to drink a lot of beer and let loose. So it reminds me of me. All right. All right, Ed Sheeran, I don't want you to ride your horse into a tot wire. Oh, thank you. And well, it's last one what you're going to do, Joe Jonas? Joe Jonas got the scar right between his eyebrows when he ran into a wall while he was filming a YouTube video with his brothers. I think that this is fun because it just makes think of something that unfortunately I would probably do.

He said, we were filming this video for YouTube and I had this stupid idea. Guys, I can run through walls. I was supposed to run into a wall and fall down, but I smacked right into it and was gushing blood. I was taken on a helicopter to get surgery. I dig scars, though. Uh-huh. So I'm glad that he digs the scar.

You know what? I never noticed it, but now everyone will. I'll tell you what. I can't even see it. Where is it? Oh, my God. Wait a second, actually. Oh, my God.

Oh, no. Oh, God. Okay, I have a theory about what's going on right now. I have a hypothesis. What is it? What's the theory? I'm going to take an educated guess right now and say, I think, I'm going blind? I can't.

Oh, we can't see them. That was a bit of a switcher in. Yeah, I always forget sometimes to say, I think I'm going to want you guys say blind, and then I say items. And then you said items, yes. But it works. It's only been a few years. At this point, I think we're at two years, but yes. What?

It's only been since before my second child was. Oh, no, so it's been one year. It's been one. One, yeah, like, wait, it can't be. All right. Who knows. Blind item number one, if you dare, you fuckers. Whoa.

I dare. My pubis. This A-list, Do Everything host, will be exiting this daytime show once it resumes filming back in a studio. I'm sorry, say that again. I was straight up not listening to you. That's fine. I hear you. There's a lot going on right now.

No, you know what it was? and I need to say this because I think you guys will appreciate it. I will ask her to make sure that it's okay that I say this. A friend of mine,

the writer that I've done multiple audiobooks for Olivia Hawker, she's amazing. She also has a very fun niece and she, to cheer me up because she knows

that all of, you know, the things that we've been doing this past week and she sent me a picture that her niece made of Puponzel

and she had drawn, I think her niece must be like 11. She drew Rapunzel up in tower with her pubes being let down out of the window for her hero. And it is, she titled it Pube Punzel. And she shared it with me.

And that's what I was looking at, which is an amazing idea. Love it. For a tween to come up with, it really puts a smile on my face. What did all tweens have that comfortable relationship with pubs, honestly? Right. Anyway, please, we're blind. This A-list Do Everything hosts

Is a male host That does everything It's one of those annoying people That hosts everything We'll be exiting this daytime show It's a show that happens during the day Daytime show day show Once it resumes filming

Back in the studio This host does everything It's definitely not returning To a daytime show in the studio Steve Harvey Crest Yeah Molly!

Wow! For live with Kelly and Ryan, apparently he's just getting spread too thin. Page 6 recently reported that back in May, he took an unscheduled day off with some on the production team not getting the memo into less than 30 minutes before air time. And ABC source said it was a last-minute thing

and there was a sense of panic at ABC when we were told that Ryan couldn't make it that morning. This has led to a lot of hot goss that he is spreading himself too. thin and just hours earlier appeared on the American Idol finale from home where he quote struggled with words seemed confused and had a visibly droopy eye. Oh no. Who's going to replace them?

Are they just going to get a glass of tap water? Because I think that's really all they need. I think they, it says right here they're seriously considering this guy's name's fuckbag McGee. I think it's a choice and I'm proud of their choice. He's Scottish. He does not like most people. It's going to be a bit of a foil for Kelly.

A fuck big, McGee. Yeah, he's always like, oh, they like when people are happy. Oh, that'll be a fun, like, energy to bring to a morning show. She'll be like, look at this kitten learning to swim for the first time. He'd be like, oh, I wish you dog ate it.

The last time, the last time I watched American Idol was American Idol season three. I was 18. years old. It was when Fantasia Barino won. The year after Clay Aiken should have won, although his politics then went down the toilet, so I'm not going to stand Clay Aiken. Molly, I forget you are a diehard Aiken head. I always forget. I was a Clay Aiken Stan before standing was a thing. But my point is, season three of American Idol when I was 18 years old, Ryan Seacrest was the third year in being

the host. I think maybe he wasn't season one. I did not watch. the year with Kelly Clarkson. But point is, I'm currently 34, I think. I think I'm 34. I think. And that dude is still the host of American Idol. And I've lived 10 lives since then. So I don't blame the guy for wanting to get out.

It's been a literal lifetime. Take some time. Take your time. That's insane. It's been a while. Get out of there. I didn't write his schedule down, but it's absurd. Like he gets up at like five in the morning.

He's in meetings until the show. He also has a serious show he does. He also has idol. It's too much. It's too much. Why would you even do that? All he has to do is one show. He's making so much money.

Like there's no, you know, on just one of those shows, he's making oodles of money. Why do you need to work that hard? But you can make more money. Yeah. But you can make more money. And it's like in the end, I feel like in his brain, it's like, well, for the most part, He doesn't even have to come up with anything that he says. No.

Remover just has a read off of a teleprompter. So I feel like he's like, well, I can just do all of this because I was reading off a teleprompter, but you also got to sleep. There's all the things. And you forget about hair, makeup, travel to and from. It's time. All that. It's just exhausting.

All right. Next up. Blind item number two. You fuckers? Apparently. Don't call us name. I don't know. I don't know.

I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Can't take it out on us, okay? Apparently, you fucking asshole. You're fucking jerks. Bastard, yeah. Bastard, people.

Apparently, behind the scenes, these two camps have chosen sides and you can't be friends with both, which is why the donut liquor unfollowed every celebrity who was on the side of the A-plus list singer. Ooh, is it Nick Cannon and Mariah Carey? No, who's no...

I thought you guys would get the first person immediately based off of donut liquor. What does donut liquor mean? That is a key clue. That is like an obvious clue. This person licked a donut once and got to a lot of trouble for it. They licked a donut at like a Dunkin' Donuts and they like filmed it. And it was like really weird.

Yeah, it was like weird. She like licked the donut that was like sitting on the stand but she didn't like buy the donut. Ew, yucky, yuck. Who is? I don't know this person. She recently featured on a hot new song. Ariana Grande? Yes, Ariana Grande licked the donut.

You guys don't, I'm surprised you guys didn't talk about this when you're on the fucking show before me. She licked a donut. You don't see, this is like a viral thing. She, like, licked a donut at like a Dunkin' Donuts, like I said. It sounds like a euphemism. It sounds like a euphemism. You see, that's what it was.

I thought that you were, I thought it was, yes, I thought it was a euphemism. Everything's going on right now. I was like, is that someone who hates cops? Is that someone that loves cops? Is it a cop thing? is it like a butt thing? My brain was it a whole other area? Definitely the thing I want to do

a blind item on right now is someone who loves cops. That's definitely the one I'm going to bring to the fucking show. This celebrity loves cops. All right. Two opposing camps. I'll read it one more time. Apparently behind the scenes, these two camps

have chosen sides and you can't be friends with both, which is why the donut liquor unfollowed every celebrity who is on the side of the A plus list singer. Ariana and... Who's, yeah. Why do you think? More status than her, like bigger and better?

She, the A plus list singer is like, if not on her level, higher. But I'd say other people would be like, she's not in the same level. Arieta comes way better. And like on a Facebook page or whatever. Is it the same in the same air? Like, is it like a Selena Gomez? We've mentioned this person in the show today. Is it Taylor Swift?

Yes, it's Taylor Swift. Because Ariana Grande's manager is Scooter Braun. First of all. Oh, that makes more sense. First of all, I have to bring this up. What the F I wrote, first off, WTF, Ariana fans are officially dubbed Arianators, like Holdenators?

Whoa. Arienators. She definitely, she copied you. What is happening? That was a direct copy from you. And then she goes, Arionators, oh. No, she doesn't.

No, she doesn't. She's so my thing. She stole my thing. She doesn't. Second, on May 29, 2020, it appeared that Arianeh doesn't. was no longer following Taylor Swift on Insta. Grande's manager, of course, is Scooter Braun,

who is, of course, has bad blood, which I wrote intentionally. I'm not, now we got bad. She has bad blood with T. Swift. Apparently, Ariana recently went on an unfollowing spree of many celebs, including members of the Kardashian family and Lana Del Rey. She did, however... Not the Kardashians. Right?

She did, however, like one of Tate's recent tweets, the very dope political one that we mentioned before, about our current president. Hey, that's nice. But yeah, beef, beep, but that makes sense. I mean, if she's still with Scooter Braun. It's so weird, though, it's like, I don't know from her standpoint. It's like, why would you still want to be with that guy?

I mean, obviously, I don't know, you know, all I know is what I read and whatever. Also, it could be contracts. I mean, you know, it's like you've no idea. It could just be something that she can't get out of. Like what Taylor Swift was involved in and then was trying to get her music back. True. Yeah, whatever, though. She licked a donut once.

It's disgusting. Yeah, but Ariana's been out. fighting the fight. Haven't you have been seen her in the pictures? She liked a donut.

She did like the donut. Yeah, but sometimes how you get to know how it tastes. I hope she is riding on a

horse one day. And she's like, oh, is that some string? Is that a taut cord? Not a taut cord. No, I'm just

kidding. I'm a big fan of rain on me and I like her stuff. I think she is a bit of a black widow,

I'm going to say. Yeah, I think that it is, you know, at least she's taking a step back. I think she realized after everything it happens, like, maybe I should just date me for a while, is what it seems like. And I think that's for the best. I will say, I think I can talk about this. We can remove it later if not. I will say it was a very funny memory of talking to Kevin, Kevin Barnett, Brutiger Forever.

And he literally told me him and some other people were talking to Pete Davidson. And we're like, do not date her. She destroys men. Which I think is kind of an amazing inside Bitta Goss for you You know? He was told, but I'm sure he just like, yeah, but I'm so hot. It's like, well, you know. Yeah.

I do want to see the King of Staten Island, though. He's got that Judd Apatow thing coming out pretty soon. It looks pretty good. Yeah, I'm interested. This might be more interesting, though. This A-list singer who wishes she was an actress has several Finsta, accounts. That's fake Instagram accounts. I didn't know that before. She has several Finsta accounts that always praised the singer while always trashing the permanent A plus A plus list one name singer. They

really do hate each other. Share and Madonna. No, Madonna, yes. But the other singer, no. More modern. Gaga. Gaga. Yes. Gaga. Yes. Lady Gaga. This feud goes back to 2011 when Gaga released her Madonna inspired Born This Way, which got Madonna and her fans have said because of just how similar it is to her hit, Express Yourself. Madonna says it feels reductive. And when asked whether that was a good or bad thing, she said, look it up and then took a sip from her tea. Damn dog, man, Madonna has pissed off so many people over the years.

It is, but used, like, back in the day, it was like, oh, but I love Madonna. I don't know. And Lady Gaga was very open about the fact that she's like, I would. was inspired by you. Yes. I wanted to be you. And then you were a piece of garbage. So now I'm trying to distance myself from you as far as I can. This beef was apparently squashed by Madge in a Rolling Stone interview in 2015 saying, I do think she's a very talented singer and songwriter. It was just that one issue. But the beef, oh, that stinky beef. It got thrown on the grill. It got cooked up.

It don't like stinky beef. You can't hide that beef. It got made into a. Meatloaf. I'm married to someone from the Generation X, and his whole, he likes Lady Gaga, but his whole thing, and I don't mean to blast him, but I feel like it's a, he's like, isn't that just Madonna? Like, what is, like, he's like, I see Lady Gaga in the shadow of Madonna. Like, Madonna did everything that Lady Gaga then tried to do. And I think that that is reductive also, but I feel like that is, that's why I know there's

beef because the Gen Xers see it. For sure. for sure, yes. It reemerged back in 2018 when Gaga was doing a press tour for a Star is born and said, there can be 100 people in the room and 99 don't believe in you, but you just need one to believe in you. Madonna later posted a since deleted Instagram story of a video of her in 1989 saying this. If there's 100 people in the room and 99 people say they liked it, I only remember the one person who didn't. I mean, to be fair, that's an extremely generic sentiment.

Yes. She could have taken it. Yeah. But also, that was in the movie A Star is Born. So technically, the screenwriter of a star is born took it, and Gaga said it. So I don't, I'm not putting that one on Gaga.

Look, all I'm saying is that Gaga, is that this, this Blight Outta reports that Gaga has a bunch of fake Instagram accounts that praise her and a trash Madonna. Which I think is, I need Finstas. I want to finsta. Both can be good, you know? We don't, I mean, obviously Madonna currently bad, but like we don't need to, I'm not trying

to throw Madonna's work out with the bathwater. I just don't currently admire Madonna, you know? No, I'm fine with it. I don't, I'm completely fine with Madonna personally because she just, she's just, if you're that famous for that long, you're going to be that out of touch. She definitely just posted a video tribute to George Floyd. with her adopted son dancing to a Michael Jackson song. Oh my God.

It's just like, I'm like, think for a second. For a second, you are a huge part of the pop culture zeitgeist. Please think before you post things. Yeah, that's a rough one. That's a rough. But that's besides the point. I'm getting angry today. I can see again.

And I see my face. and I know what's happening outside the door and I know it's bad and sad and more. And everything else is horrible that he sees now. So welcome back to the site. The sight of a burning world. Did you miss it? Oh my God.

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