Page 7 - Episode 365: Please Scream Inside Your Heart

Episode Date: August 6, 2020

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Oh yeah, guys, it's Cher. After all the stops and starts, we keep coming back to the... I guess it's meant to be forever. Yes, it's on my Yacht Rock playlist. I am disgustingly obsessed with this song by Cher and Peter Cedarra, which if you listen to this song, you know Peter Cedera. Peter Cedera is saying way too many songs. from the late 80s into the early 90s that he has such a distinct voice,

but never in my life. You pay me $10 million I couldn't pick Peter Cedera out of a lineup. He is a true dentist's office waiting room. He is exactly who you hear when you're about to go. I am pissed. Get your braces tight. It's totally orthodontist music. Orthodontist music is definitely, it's a different level of Starbucks.

Do we all have braces? Oh, yeah. Yeah. I didn't have braces. No braces. Well, you have great teeth too. You have great teeth, yeah. No, no, I've got a space in between my first front teeth because I sucked my thumb

until I was nine years old. I sucked my thumb way too late too, which is probably why we loved smoking so much. Oh my God, God, did I love smoking? But that is, we're not talking about my used-to-be-debilitating addiction to nicotine. This is page 7. Welcome. I didn't have braces, surprisingly, but I really wanted braces. I was one of those little fucks. And my name is Jackie Zabrowski. My name is Holt McNeely, and that was my covert way of changing the subject away from

this movie no one's ever seen. I want to talk about chances are. I want to talk about. All right, what is Molly's here too? Wait, my name is Molly Neffle, and I also was the kid who wanted everything I wanted a cast. I wanted like I wanted like a wheelchair I was I had no idea I was just like I want all these accessories I didn't know what this I didn't know what anything was and then I got braces and I was like this fucking sucks and I hate you go oh Molly you would have loved did you guys have the disability day in elementary school I think that part of the problem and I would love to hear from anyone who's actually disabled about this but part of the problem was yes as a kid I was I was a kid I think that part of the problem was yes as a kid I was The way that they taught you about disability was like, it was like this novelty. And there was a children's museum where there was like a wheelchair that you could play with. But of course, kids would just like roll around and race with it and stuff.

And I was like, well, that's fun. That's why I always loved going to the airport as a kid, is I would take the wheelchairs and we would wheel through the airport really fast. So Disability Day was like everybody for the day was given a different disability. Yeah. I believe some people were like had to, were like blind for the day, like had a blind. pulled on for the day or something like that. Big yikes.

And I think there was another thing where they kind of made your legs kind of tied together. So you were sort of like doing that the whole day. And I think maybe even hands behind the, but I remember everybody just wanted the wheelchair, right? There was only like a certain amount of kids who got the wheelchair. I know, right? It was insane. I remember. We also had, we had.

Did this happen to you? We had a guest speaker come to my elementary school. And I'm, it's just so funny because of course there's a way to talk to kids. about disability without making it this like total novelty. But we had a guy like an immersion program, Molly, please. I like the immersion aspect. I sort of thought out there that I am laughing because of how inappropriate this is. It's very sad.

Oh no, it really is. We had this guy come to my school who was blind and he came and just like to talk to us about being blind, which is like theoretically like maybe a good idea like have people from, you know, have people with disabilities. come and talk about their experience. Like, that's probably fine. But there was no, like, prep. Like, our teacher wasn't, like,

what questions do you have? Like, what preconception? What, like, you know, what, you know, what do you think you already know about being blind? Like, there was no, like, conversation about it. It was just, like, here is a blind person. And so he, like, came and talked to us. And he, like, showed us books in Braille and stuff.

And we were all, like, cool. And then he left and everyone was just like, do you think he was really blind? Like, because he was like, of course, like, an independent adult man who could get around and, like, he had a cane and stuff. Right. And everyone was just like, he probably wasn't blind. Like, there was just no, like, we needed better guidance. There was no guidance.

We need more teaching. People need more guidance like that in general. By the way, one celebrity conspiracy I'm never going to do, which is the most inappropriate one is people doubting that Stevie Wonder is actually blind. And that is so fucking wrong. How does he get to the stage? It's like, oh, my God. it. Jesus Christ. I have gotten us

I have gotten us five minutes into the episode without actually learning a thing about the film. Chances are it is a triumph. I'm going to talk about it. Although still, I have something else to say about what you were just talking about because I just had this like stroke inside of my brain that I completely forgot

and it wasn't until we just started talking about. Do you guys remember the Burger King Kids Club? And they had the different characters and they had wheels. And I thought wheels was so fucking hot. And I remember, and I think that was part of the reason why I was so obsessed with getting into wheelchairs. And when I actually did break my leg and I used a wheelchair, then you realize like, oh, this is very difficult. This is not just a fashion statement, you 11-year-old idiot.

But I also, there was a point in time when I would use crutches for a while just to like see if I could. and I thought that it was fun. I always wanted crutches. I was jealous of every kid who broke their leg and got crutches. So even better, my brother broke his leg. That's what you do it. You got the crutches. And I'd hold him like, there was a machine gun.

I'd be like, do you, do that whole thing and everything. And they're actually not fun at all. It just makes your underarms hurt really badly. And it's really horrible. And it makes the meat in between your thumb and your forefinger. It just makes it all numb all the time. but now I'm looking at these BK Kids Club. So chances are.

No, I want to talk about BK Kids Club because now I'm looking at the pictures and I'm being sent down goddamn memory lane and I remember Kidvid because I thought Kidvid was really weird because he was the one that always had the VR glasses on. And then there was Jaws. I don't remember why they were called, what they were called. Obviously, Wheels is an easy one.

Then there's IQ, the short one, but he's smart. So I guess that makes him okay. A man's love for his pregnant wife, Corrine Jeffries, is interrupted when a car accident sends him dead. Are you talking about chances are right now? Someone loves the movie. Chances are, yes, we're talking about Chances Are 1989. And it stars a one civil shepherd, Robert Downey Jr., Ryan O'Neill, Mary Stewart Masterson. Great cast.

That's a great cast. And if you look up this song, after all, that is sung by Cher and Peter Cedera, which I forced hold it in Molly to watch. before we started recording today. And I put it on and I was like, what the fuck is this bullshit? It's one of those music videos. It's a horrible music video. The music video is just a clip from this movie from 1989

that no one gives a fuck about, except for me, because for some reason it is one of those movies, I've seen, I'm gonna say at least 65 times. I've seen this movie really too much. I've seen it a lot. It was on television a lot. And yet know what I ask, even people that like dumb, shitty movies don't know about this movie.

And so I'm doing this as a plea to see if, I know that there's others like me out there. Because what happens in this movie, it is one of those late 80s, dumb fuck movies, and I know for a fact that I've screamed about it on here before, where Sybil Shepard is married and she's pregnant and her husband dies in the car crash. He goes up to heaven where he doesn't get the juice that he needs so that he doesn't remember his past lives. he gets reborn. Cut two, 25 years later, that man is reborn into Robert Downey Jr. Who is flirting with Mary Stewart Masterson. His own daughter. His own daughter, but he doesn't realize that until he meets her mother,

Sybil Shepard, and then Sybil Shepard, and then he remembers his past life, remembers that that was his wife, and he convinces Sybil Shepard, like, I am your dead husband living inside of a hot young Robert Deshap. Junior. I'm trying to get with my daughter. And then it's all really upsetting. Does he vomit profusely when he remembers his past? And he realizes he's been flirting with his own daughter. He should just die right there. But mostly what he does is try to fucking bed down Sybil Shepard, which I get. I am desperately in love with Sybil Shepard. It's because of the show Sybil between her and Christine Beranski, please, the three of us can we make a tape together?

I would love it. And I'm saying either a recording tape. where we sing together or a sex tape. I'm down with me. And the movie is not good. And the problem is I've been trying, I was going to watch it by myself. And then I tried to convince Jeff to watch it with me. And he said a hard,

fuck no, which I understand. Yeah, I get it. No one wants to watch it with me. I just want to, this is just my plea. This is one of those quarantine pleas where I'm just like, I don't, is reality true? Like, did this happen?

Do you ever roleplay with Jeff and pretend he's your own son from a past life to make this sexual experience a little stronger. No, no, no, no. But I think that I'm going to start incorporating for him to pretend like he remembers the past of my previous relationship of someone that died horrifically just to, like, give me like a, I don't know, a bum.

Like a vaginal bump. Sometimes Lex and I both pretend, both roleplay that were Murphy Brown. Is that weird? No, pantsuits. I think that everyone deserves a power. suit and she did it well. I would love a power suit.

I was thinking about Murphy Brown this whole time too, and then I was like, no, that's Candace Berg and not Sybil Shepard. Why do I get them both confused? Is it because they both had sitcoms? They had strong female-centric sitcoms in the 90s, yes. And they have similar vibes a little bit, I'd say, like a little bit. Confident, like confident, kind of gallop out the, you know what I mean? They got a similar vibe a little bit.

I'm throwing this out there. I think that Murphy Brown is a bit more. more of a of a stuck up bitch oh so like an allen whoa are you trying to shift away from chances are right now i'm kidding i'm sorry i didn't mean to call it at actually i'm gonna say this has been fascinating to read about this ellen stuff but i also i'm gonna throw it out there ahead of time ahead of all of this i have yet to see one very very specifically damning thing uh when it comes to reading all of the stories i've seen a lot of things the point towards her being like an egomaniac celebrity that has her own show for sure but i have said to see the thing where

she said like a really racist thing or something i'm not saying it doesn't exist but are you an ellen truther i'm not an ellen truther i know she's got to be the worst i know she's got she must be anyone who's that happy and nice and friendly on like for a living they are never that way in real life is that always the truth when they portray an asshole for a living What about Mr. Rogers? Mr. Rogers was definitely... The one exception. The only one.

He's literally the only famous person who doesn't have... The only skeleton in Mr. Rogers' closet that I think anyone was able to find was that he didn't want Officer Clemens to come out because he was afraid it would endanger funding for the show. And then Officer Clemens says, I'm sure you've all seen in the documentary. He was like, I forgive him. He was like a father to me. Oh, my God.

Oh, so good. See, I don't know. Now I'm looking through. I just looked up a list of celebrities who are actually just as nice as you think they are. And I'm actually excited, even though we can't get to this story yet, Jason Momoa is on the list. Who's? And that I can see. You can see that Jason Moe is just as nice as you think he is. Yeah. Well, that makes so much sense based on the story that we're supposed to talk about today. Yes. Oh, but also, this list, I love this list. L.L. Cool J. John Malaney, which, of course, I died. Of course. Apparently, Peter. Your dinklage is just as nice as you imagine. That's my favorite thing to tell people, like, I mean, I didn't ever know John Mullini that well. He was just like, he was, like, already, like, very impressive by the time I got to New York. But my favorite thing is when people mention that they love John Malini to be like, he's actually really nice. He's so great.

Like, I'm like, I love telling people that. We rubbed elbows a couple times. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Just a nice, a genuinely good dude that, that really, like, Nick Crowell, we just did the show with him last year. It was like, like, he really appreciates. He knows that he had to work hard and that what he has and what he has. And he is a genuine.

And also Tom Hanks is on this list. Yeah. These are people that are actually supposedly very good people. Yeah, that's my favorite thing. I will say, though, none of them have a show where every single day, besides Mr. Rogers, where every single day they pump out this, they bring out this hose of I'm so positive, I'm so happy, and just spray the, audience down with that vibe. You know what I mean? And I think when you're like that.

You are right, but I have heard with lots of people, not lots, but I've heard a couple of people that have actually worked with Ellen that were writers that said that she was not a good person to work for. Yeah. I super believe it, by the way. I'm just saying I didn't read a very specific, like, she said this thing. It wasn't like, it wasn't like Ellen's canceled for this one gath. It was like just a gradual.

trickle of that she's actually a terrible boss and a terrible person to work for, which is like, it's almost, it's different because James Gordon. Yeah, right, that's the thing. And I know that's kind of where we're getting to, which is the real main thing I want, I wanted to talk about today, at least. I don't know about you two.

When it comes to Ellen, it was just the James Gordon's on the, I think it's getting a lot of attention. Let's say what it is. James Gordon is on the short list to replace Ellen, possibly. He is no, I definitely have read been very specific stories about him. Yeah.

He's very, it's like. And, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, say, you know, I know that Ellen is, like, has become a little bit bland, uh, but, and I'm not particularly disappointed to learn that she's terrible to work for. And, and she's been like, I know what you're about to say, though. Well, you know, I think she's been consistent. She's lately has demonstrated consistently, like, very terrible politics, like, very, very, very bad, uh, when when it comes to, like, like, you know,

like George W. Bush and like Kevin Hart and stuff like that. But I guess what I like I wanted to root for her a couple of years. Like I, you know, she's just like she was the barrier she's broken. Yeah. When I was a, I was a short-haired kid. And I was relentlessly straight, just relentlessly straight. But I just liked boys just from the very beginning. but I was very confused because I also like in my head I like imagine myself as a boy I wanted to be a boy

I had short hair I dressed like a boy until sixth grade when I just smothered it all down put on girl drag grew my hair out wore my baby teas I've talked about that on the show before but the only woman that I ever saw with short hair ever in pop culture until I don't even know high school was Ellen on the cover of I think entertainment weekly or whatever it was when she came out. And it was like a picture of this short-haired woman. And the cover was like, I'm gay. And I remember being like a fourth or fifth grader and like looking at it and being like, huh. And like in my head, I was like, I guess I'm gay. But like I knew I wasn't because I knew by that point

that I was so attracted to de Bois. But I was so confused because I was like, this is the only like woman that I've, ever seen with short hair. This is the only woman I've ever seen look even anything like me. Like, I've never looked at a woman and thought, like, that's what I'll look like when I grow up ever until her. Like, and so even though I wasn't gay and it was still very confusing for me, like, you

know, I, and guess what every single middle schooler I've ever taught has told me that I look like, right? Like you look like Ellen, of course. And I, besides the short hair, I happen to look a lot like Ellen. But like, like, I want to, you know, I like the whole I'm fun with kids. I dance. Like, yes, it's plain. It's gotten so watered down.

Yeah, because also as someone that was you, that I definitely carried myself, as I've carried myself more masculine in my entire life. And seeing about her having such a hot femme wife was a huge inspiration to me. I was like, oh my God, you mean that someone like really hot could love me someday? And there was also that a part of it where just like Portia Dorasi for me is, I mean, she still is definitely on my list. She is a gorgeous human being. And she is sticking by her. And that does make me wonder too where it's like, of course, all this stuff is coming up.

We don't know what the truth is about how we do know that she's not the best person to work for. But at the end of the day, wouldn't Portia de Rossi most likely leave her if she was that horrible to her? And unfortunately, it seems, or at least what I've been reading, is that she is a horrible person to work for. She is not good to her writers or to her staff. But I'm hoping that maybe at least she's good to her wife. I think it's totally possible to be a good person and a horrific boss, right? And like she's with a lot of power. and that's not an exoneration of her as a boss,

but it means like people are different people. I don't think that she should be like that whatsoever. And it does beg the question when it comes to this canceling stuff, is that enough, is like having a reputation for being a shitty person to work for enough grounds for a network to cancel a person's TV show? I think that it should be. Honestly, if it comes down to how dare you as also,

just not that anyone shouldn't be like this anyway, but these. other people, if you think about it, writing your fucking jokes. Why are you going to be shitty to people that are writing for you so that you don't even have to come up with your own material anymore? That you should be, this is a collaborative experience. And to have people come into a job where they don't feel comfortable or they don't feel respected or they are uncomfortable also in their own skin because of the specific allegations

that are coming out about everything that's happened, not necessarily from her, but from things that she knew was going on and she is the head honcho. Yeah. She can shut that the fuck down. At least I assume. It's the accusations of racism that I think needs to be. And it is being investigated right now. It's all being investigated.

If that is going on, that's a different conversation. I, and at the end of the day, maybe it's just because she's so protected. But I even read a bunch of those tweets. So a guy came out, I forget who it was, but he was like, I'm going to donate. like $5 for every story in the comments on this tweet about how shitty Ellen has been to you personally

and that was back in March and I mean I read a bunch of that stuff and it's great it's stuff like she has a sensitive nose and you have to, she has breath mints outside of her office and if I think the most damning one was this one if she thinks you like smell bad

she'll send you home. Well it also appeared the word on the street too is that dehumanizing things. Right. that you're not allowed to make eye contact with her. Yeah. And that kind of things where we,

I feel like we laugh when it's Mariah Carey and it shouldn't be because at the same time where like, this is, it is, people are trying to be funny. This is a whole other experience of you saying that like, oh, you can't look her in the eye. Then how do you, that's so fucking disrespectful. And I also think like, I actually think that this is like kind of,

instructive, right? Because like the, there's the shorthand, right? Like, canceling somebody. But of course, it's like, it's, that's like that word is, is not really what's happening. Like, I feel like it's both, you know, it's like I mentioned this on the show when we were talking about J.K. Rolling, but my, my friend who is six loves Harry Potter, right? And so, and has a good friend who's a trans kid. And so my six-year-old friend was like, love the books, love Harry Potter, but don't listen to her, right? And I feel like that's such a good, like, there's this idea that, like, cancel culture is like, well, what?

So can we never read anything written by a man? You know, and it's like, no. I like your impression of canceled book for a guy. I think I'm not. What are all books written by bad men? Slippery slope. I love books written by bad men, you know? It's like they're my favorite.

You know, you don't have to throw the whole baby out with the whole, like, you can say okay well Ellen like no one's trying to be like Ellen didn't do important things in the 90s by being a famous person to come out right like that still exists if that was like meaningful to you that can still be true

but now we know and maybe she's a very good wife to Porta de Rossi that can also be true it also might be true that she's a terrible boss it might be true that she like knew racism was happening in her workplace and didn't like care enough to do anything right like I just feel like it's not like you don't have to choose like

well, I guess Ellen never did anything, right? It's just like, what we now know is true is that she might be a really fucking bad boss. And being a bad boss is really shitty. And she shouldn't be allowed to do that anymore. Yeah. Yeah, right. And hopefully she changed the practices. Another thing I will say about the eye contact thing is weird,

but I'm starting to think a little differently about the, like, the strategy of like having a policy where it's like, you can't just talk to me. and I think just in the sense of like if I put myself in the place of the person you've got a show it's your name on the show you're incredibly you're this massive celebrity like planet sized celebrity right and you've got people constantly

approaching you talking to you hitting you up I could see a situation where it's like you are going to fucking like if you talk to everybody who wanted to talk to you and also did your show it's like too much you know what I mean? I can

protective of your space makes sense like that. And your, yeah, and just your ability to, like, focus and do the show you need to do. I think it's just a difference between, like, how that's communicated. And a lot of times it seems like it's communicated in a very, like, military-esque, scary way. Well, it's also in the same with Mariah Carey when we had talked about this on the episode where it's all like, oh, no one can look her in the eyes. It's like, it's because she can't focus. It's actually, like, there's actually a re, and not that I'm saying, it's definitely a fucking diva move. And I don't agree with it.

never be like that. But for her, she gets stage fright and it is, it is just a part of that for her. So it does make more sense. That is not a, it's not a life thing that she has, that's not a rule for her in life. It is just when she's on stage because she gets nervous, which I, as a human being, I do understand that. And if you're going to be that huge of a megastar, you know, that's why, uh, what is it the ones where they're like, I only want blue M&Ms in my, oh, I want, La Croy I don't even know I can't even imagine

what my rider would have But you know this story behind the M&M thing Right It's like an age old story Please tell us Okay this is what it was It was like Van Halen or someone like that

And they said In the writer it was like A bowl full of only brown M&M's I believe is the thing in the writer Yes They had a show And it might not be Van Halen But it was a band that had a show

with a ton of pyrotechnics and stuff. It is Van Halen, by the way. It is Van Halen. Putting your life in danger kind of stuff if the tech people don't do their job. And if they didn't have the bowl of Brown M&Ms, then they knew that they didn't pay enough attention to what their specifications were.

And they had their tech people do a full, like, go over of all of the tech. It was essentially just a sign to them that the venue they were at was not looking after their shit specifically enough and they didn't want to die on stage. Oh, that's kind of fun.

I get that and actually, it's absolutely no brown M&Ms. That's what I. Either way, yeah. But that makes sense. Either way, it was essentially just a way for them to know that the venue was taking their job seriously and paying attention to the details.

That is kind of interesting, actually. Yeah. Because you know where they didn't pay attention to the details? In the movie cats. Oh, dude, because that's why I didn't bring this up to even talk about Ellen. I brought that up to shit.

on James Gordon. I got so clever as magical Mr. Mistopolis. Yeah. Oh no. What did I just I feel like I just I just thinnered myself.

What am I do? Well, now I'm going to have Mr. Mistophiles stuck in my goddamn head. And you know what? I thought that it was bad enough having an obscure share song stuck in my head.

But now, right, nestled back in Mr. Mistopolis. I'm excited because my roommates haven't seen cats yet. And I have never seen Confession alert. I've never seen The Music Man. And the Music Man is Jeff and my other roommate's favorite musical.

Jackie, how has we been doing this show? Okay, just real quick, I know we need to talk about Cats. But my first musical. Also, now, Molly, by the way, you need to have a conversation with Jeff because Jeff loves the music man. Sorry, Jeff, put you on blast. Touch with Jeff. My first musical that I was ever in, I was seven years old, it was the community theater production of the Music Man. My brother's first musical that he was ever in,

the junior high production of the music man. My cousin's first musical that he was ever in, the music man. The music man runs deep. Are there Nazis of the music man? That's not Nazis. No, that's sound of music. Oh. The music man is set in River City, Iowa.

Where did I grow up? Dubuque, Iowa. Is it a River City in Iowa? Oh, my God. Where Meredith Wilson, the writer of the music man, is from, I don't think he's from Dubuque, but he's from around there. River City, Iowa.

I'm basically from there. It's basically about my hometown. And my entire... Is it about you? My entire Fort Well, was I Winthrop? Not quite. I didn't have a speech impediment. Isn't he a near-do-well, though?

Isn't he a bit of a near-do-well? Harold Hill was a near-do-well. Oh, yeah. It's about a... Oh, Jack, you'll love it. It's about a sexy con man who comes to a little town in Iowa with a bunch of roobes, don't know what from down,

and he convinces them all that they need March band instruments to solve the youth delinquency problem because all the youth are hanging out at the pool hall. Oh my God, it's such a good musical. And put an instrument in their hands. It's such a good musical. You know what I say, if you, if you are a bit of a hellion, slap a trumpet in that mountain. Yes. I've always said it. It is. Oh my God. The music man, sound of music are my, To me, like, when I think about, like, classic, you know, Broadway musicals, it's those two.

Music Man is my number one go-to. It is, I could sing every single song in the Music Man right now. I won't, but if you start it, I could finish it. A little bit of one. Sing a little bit of one. Oh, there's nothing halfway about the Iowa way to treat you when we treat you,

which we may not do at all. Oh! Okay, do the one where he's trying to sell them on it, like right up the house. It goes, oh, we got trouble right here in River City, with a capital T and that rhymes with P and that stands for pool. That stands for pool. We surely got trouble.

We surely got trouble right here. We got to figure out a way to keep the young one's moral after school. Our children's children going to have trouble. It's great. It's about moral panic. He's like, you guys have a pool hall. The kids are all hanging out of the pool hall. You got to give them all trumpets and trombones.

to make him stop being so delinquent. And then he also woo's a woodwind gang. He wooed the sexy single librarian by singing the song, Marion, Madam Librarian, but when I try,

my dear, to catch your ear, I love you madly, madly, Madam Librarian, Marion. Oh my God. I'd have sex with it. Sure.

You'll love it. I wish you could be there because I have a feeling that my partner as well as my roommate are going to sing through the entire movie, which I'm very proud of them, because then I'm going to force her to watch cats. And guess who is Winthrop? Last thought, guess who is Winthrop in the movie of The Music Man? Who? Ron Howard.

What? Everything. Nothing. Nothing. There's no reason to live anymore. Child Ron Howard. I love it. I love it.

I love it. Wow. Yeah, Jackie's is just fully convulsing at the knowledge he's just been given. He's a little boy. I've never been able to see Ron. It's so interesting to me to think

that you've ever seen Ron Howard as an adult and not known him as Winthrop because that was my introduction to Ron Howard. He's a little red-headed boy in the music man. He's Winthrop. He has a little... Well, I mean, you know, the happy days.

And happy days, but this was even before that. That's a massive role that he was known for being a boy yet. No, well, this is not the same. He was a little boy. Also, what, American, oh, fuck, what's it called? The George Lucas movie or whatever. American graffiti.

Thank you. One of my favorite soundtracks of all time. Get the deluxe edition. You will not go wrong. Between that and Big Chill deluxe, you are just banging out the hits with those two. Soundtracks. My chicle. Mr.

Mustap buddies. Speaking of a great soundtrack, I just love that. So this is all because. Andrew Little bit Weber finally broke his silence and said to tell everyone that yes he also believes that Katz was absolute dog shit

and I love that he specifically shat on James Gordon. He didn't say dog shit. He didn't say dog shit. He said it was ridiculous. And I think that that's the most Andrew Lloyd Weber response you can imagine. I just love that it's honestly

if you think about it, I know it seems like it's been about 10 years since it came out, but it's only been six months and the fact that Andrew Lloyd Weber could not take it anymore. And must say, he said, the problem, he said,

the problem with the film was that Tom Hooper decided that he didn't want anybody involved in it, who was involved in the original show. The whole thing was ridiculous. So what that sounds like is that Andrew Lloyd Weber was not, even though he composed one of the songs, with Taylor Swift, he was not involved in the rest of the movie,

and he really thinks it's bad. And I think it's kind of fun that he just couldn't keep it to himself any longer. It would be frustrated to be like, you know what? It's not my best musical, but it's not as bad as they did it, you know. Right. I don't know that there's a good way to do it in 2020 and 2019. Yeah. I don't see that getting over because, again, we've talked about it.

It's like a live dance situation. Though I do love that the one person that collaborated with him, which was his one frustration that he wasn't brought in enough, was, in fact, he's wept even that song is kind of like a bit of a snooze, but I still it's a snooze booze. And I just said it was so actually. I don't know why I'm whatevering you right then, but whatever. That song was a snooze.

I will say that that song is a snooze. She did great in it, though. Again, it is. I'm fine. I don't care. You can hate her. You can't give a fuck. I don't.

She's great. Her breasts look great in the cat suits. You can't be. Meow, meow, meow, meow, meow, meow, meow, meow. Muck up for tea. Can we talk about. about something that's not a snooze. Can we talk about Black is King?

I am fantastic. Oh my God, yes. Yes, we can. Black is King. It is the visual album from Beyonce that was debuted on Disney Plus this week. And oh my God, I loved it. Oh, the everything about it.

Now, I've never seen, I saw Lemonade. Lemonade, of course, blew me the fuck away. I love lemonade. That still is probably my favorite. I don't think you could ever actually beat Lemonade, I don't think. Yeah, it's really hard. And I think in terms of like the album for this came out like well before and kind of seem like I was reading an article.

I think the article you posted it. It kind of came and went. I have to be honest with you, I didn't even realize it had been out. But this visual album takes it to a complete other level. And it is just absolutely gorgeously filmed. I kind of feel like it's like a step forward, like an expansion. of apes shit. The song she did,

the music video she did with Jay-Z. For sure. There's a lot of that same, it has to be the same director. Like, like, there's a lot of, like, similar, it's all, a lot of it is portraiture, this beautiful regalness, these, like, incredible spaces,

these incredible people and portraits, and out of fashion. Ugh, it is, I felt like I was watching her become Mother Earth. I just, like, I felt such a close, like to the point, which I know that this, this sounds very dumb, that I was like, I need to go plant something. I've been gardening a lot.

I'm not going to go down this road right now. But I did, like, I watch it. I was like, I want to feel one. And it was weird because it was the same night. I had watched it. And it was the same night as the full moon. And it went out and I looked up at the full moon. And it was just something about it was like, I just felt so grounded.

I felt like a woman. And just I felt so powerful. and I it's it's beautiful and what I didn't know because I didn't know anything about this I didn't realize that it is the story of Lion King

enveloped in the visual album and it's beautiful I think I'd said this on here a little bit ago that I was talking about how I watched OG Lion King not too long ago and I sobbed through it and I didn't realize I didn't mean to cry through it

it just the the music and it is so it's just so great, and especially the one that came out not too long ago, which obviously didn't do well. I wouldn't say it's my favorite thing because more so the style of the movie is not really my thing. But the music just brings me to tears. And so with Black is King, I couldn't look away. I was absorbed in it. And I, like, oh my God, if I could just wear one of the outfits that any of them wear in it, I can never imagine. You know, I'm shaped like a potato.

You know what I mean? But I'm shaped like a sweet potato, which is kind of nice. And so I might not have that great of a shape. But I am there. But if you put me in any of those outfits, man, I just bought, again, my 100,000th jump suit that I tried desperately. I can't. Pussy's too big. Fat's too big in my stomach.

I can't wear a jumpsuit. It never holds right. It doesn't fall properly, but that's a whole other. You need some overalls is what you need. And I would say too that a couple things. First of all, they did, though, also showcase a variety of shapes and sizes throughout that thing. It wasn't just all like super thin, like ballerina dancers or something like that. No, of course.

It's beautiful. I feel like while I was watching it, it turned me into a beautiful ghost. All right, I'm sorry, it is a bit of a snooze. See, you know, my problem is that speaking of music man, speaking of cats, I watched it, and I immediately Did you guys ever go down to an Aida? I never did. I used to be obsessed with Aida. I knew that it was, it's Elton John, right? Yes, and Tim Rice is, thank God it's their last mashup.

But there's a song called The Gods Love Nubia, and it's always, it has been one of my favorite musical songs. And again, another thing that I forced hold it in Mali's listened to, because that's what our text chain is. Our text chain is me going like, oh, do you guys remember God's Lodellie? of Nubia? Oh no, am I all alone in it? Okay, cool. And then I listen to it 10 times in my bedroom while I sing it to myself. And it just makes you, it just a different kind, it just makes you feel so powerful. And Black as King is beautiful. And again, if you keep finding yourself accidentally like me paying for Disney Plus every month and forgetting about it, but it's kind of fine because I gave out my password to as many people as I could, because I feel like I don't use it

enough, which is why, like, I even told you guys about Muppets now, which is the new Muppet show on Disney Plus that I had no idea was happening. We started it, and I may go back to it because I heard it does take a maybe, or in that article at least it said, it takes a few episodes, at least it took a few episodes for that person to get locked in. All it did was make us stop it halfway through and put on the Muppet movie. Original Muppet show. Yeah, yeah.

That's what I do. I liked what it was like five years ago now. There was like the NBC, like a primetime Muppet show. And I liked it. Yes. Which was like the style of the office, which I actually enjoyed it. I liked it a lot actually.

Yeah, I like, I remember really enjoying it. So I will give it a try, but it's the same hold of it. I'm like, I know I'm going to watch and just be like, you know what I really want to watch

is the original Muppet movie. Yeah, and the remit. We actually put on the newer redo Muppet movie, which I also super loved one with Amy Adams. Yeah, I like that one too. Am I a man? Or am I a Muppet? Am I a Muppet?

I love the music in that. movie. But the Muppet movie is number one. The original. That is the greatest. Original Muppet movie. Greatest, greatest. Yeah.

It's funny because I've been trying to think of what, like, when there is, I've been trying to get the kids outside every day now, like, like multiple times a day. But I've also been trying to figure out, like, okay, besides Daniel Tiger, which if you guys want to become a Daniel Tiger podcast, we could. That's the only media I consume now. But I've been trying to figure out besides Daniel Tiger and Mr. Rogers and Cessie Street, which is the only cultural items my kids have consumed. What do I want to play them?

And so I've been playing them, Rafi, of course. But I've also been trying to figure out, like, can I play them, like, stuff that's cool and interesting for me that maybe they'll like. And so I've been thinking, I've been daydreaming. I mean, I think with a four-year-old, it would go better than with a two-year-old, but I've been thinking, like, could I play homecoming?

Like, I know, like, four- and five-year-olds, like, loved homecoming. Yeah. So I'm like, maybe I can play homecoming. But now I'm like, maybe I could show Black as King. Just put it out of the background. See if she takes notice. It's incredibly visually appealing. Yeah, yeah.

And there's nobody fucking or anything. But now also I'm like, well, I got to do the Muppet movie. It's just beautiful, strong people, which is the exact kind of people of why this song, Sweet Caroline. I had to include this. I thought that it was just so funny. So we all know, ba-pop-ba-ba-ba-ha. We all know Sweet Caroline. We've all been drunk at a bar on the beach before or wherever.

wherever. You hear the song, you immediately start singing it. And I will say, I remember one of the few times that I was so angry with Sweet Caroline playing was after Ed's mom's

funeral, and we were all on the Jersey Shore, and we were in some bar. I was desperately trying to get a drink, but even the bartender was too drunk because everyone in there was slamming up into me, just been like, blah, blah, blah.

I'm like, don't touch me. I'm upset and I'm just trying to get a goddamn drink. Okay? Don't touch me. Don't touch me. Because the song is a community builder. And I really, I do feel like you're usually in two camps. You either love Sweet Caroline or you hate it.

I do love it. I like that it brings, I like that it makes everybody sing anything. Well, why do you think I love the Fourth of July so much? I like to sing. I like to sing with people. I like to be excited. and this, a little pub decided to ban the song Sweet Caroline, which at first I was like, yeah, oh yeah, you can't handle,

you can't handle it bringing community together, but I thought it was kind of fun. It's under the guise of keeping everyone safe from COVID, because you can't not sing along or sing the opposite parts of Sweet Caroline. It's almost illegal if you hear the song, if you are of a certain age and know that everyone sings the parts of the song along with it.

So now they are banning it and they're trying to get other people to do the same thing. How do you guys feel about the song, Sweet Caroline? Love it. I love it. It's a perfect,

I love big drunk. I love drinking and I love singing with music. I love drinking. I love singing. I like cocaine. I like heroin. I like oxies. You don't.

You'd be so thin. Peyote, I like DMT, I like SPS. That's when no one's heard of. You're such a label. You don't like any of those things. Did you guys hear about the Japanese amusement park that said no screaming on our roller coasters because of COVID? So they said, please scream inside your heart. Yes.

So funny. I feel like that's this. Sweet Carolina is like, please sing inside your heart. What I also love about this is that apparently 79-year-old Neil Diamond himself released a rendition. of the tune with a COVID-19 bent and he goes, hands, washing hands, reaching out, don't touch me, I won't touch you, which I think is really dumb and very fun. Oh, no. It's fantastic.

And even on their chalkboard out front of the bar that banned Sweet Caroline, it says due to COVID-19, Sweet Caroline is banned. there will be no colon touching hands reaching out touching me touching you and um i do think it is just a reason for probably the owner of said bar to never have to hear sweet caroline at least for the next six months which i get it gets old yet another reason we got to get the vaccine guys yeah for sweet carolines we need to be able to sing that all together to bar i mean i keep i keep taging about the day i know it's going to be a slow rollout but that day when everything's just completely back to normal But a bar is going to be so surreal and cool.

And I know it's probably like another year off at least. Yeah, but man, we got to spit in each other's faces. I have such a species, spicy, slub conspiracy this week. But really quick, I do want to give a shout out to the one other story I wanted to talk about today, which was the Jason Mamoa, Lenny Kravitz, bromance situation going on with Lisa Bonae. And the fact that they are putting out that studly photo on an infomerate's. Instagram and you're just like, oh, give it to me. I just want to fill a bucket up with a milking machine.

My sweat. No, I want the bucket to be filled with my sweat as I stare at it. Because as you guys know, Lisa Bonnet's first husband, Lenny Kravitz, Lisa Bonnet's current husband, Jason Mamoa. They truly enjoy each other. And I think that it's beautiful. And I also, I just, I mean, you guys know how I feel about Jason Momoa. And he loves his love.

He was in love with Lisa Pone as a kid and grew up as like she was his biggest crush. And he talks about in this article about the first time he meets her and he ends up hanging out. And he was like, like, which is ridiculous because, you know, of course. Not that just because you're beautiful that means you don't have the feelings of someone like me a bit of a troll woman. but the fact that he like couldn't even believe that he was talking to her the first night he met her. Isn't that beautiful? And now they're married and they have two beautiful kids and they fiercely, fiercely love each other. But he also really gets along with her ex-husband to the fact that Jenny, like Lenny Kravitz separately said happy birthday to him on social media.

And it's beautiful, but also Jason Mamoa, fellow Leo. I haven't even screamed about Leo season yet. It's like, where is the time going, guys? I know, look, we're already, I, all right, so let's get into this. I just wanted to highlight that. Look up at the picture on Instagram that Lenny Kravitz posted, and you will get a, all sorts of sort of secretions and whatnot will have. I'm secreting.

Oh, I'm secreting. Regardless, here we, we were talking about these two dudes. Let's talk about these two ladies. We're talking Kailer. I told you guys I was going to go deep on the Carly Klaus, Taylor Swift's alleged relationship that many fans think went down. I'm not even, I feel like I'm just barely scratching the service here, and this is probably still like the longest celebrity conspiracy I'm done where I was like going deep on this.

I was like getting like pop history levels of research going. I was like, all right, I got to stop. I love it. I just, I love how species spices this is. It's one of those conspiracy theories that's like more. possible. And I just wanted to be true because it's so Speciesy, spicy. So either way, in January of 2012, and by the way, I'm talking about, yeah, Taylor Swift, Carly Clause, the model,

Taylor Swift, the musician. She's a musician. She's wrote a mini-albums. She has an album called Red. She has an album called 1989. So this is about their friendship and the possible that she has put into her songs that their friendship is possibly a little bit more. Yeah, many people think a lot of songs were written about her that are romantic songs and that they were in a relationship. A secret relationship. Can I say

as somebody who's never looked up Carly class before, she looks just a little bit like Taylor Swift? Right. They both kind of look similar. Well, okay, I'm about to get into it because they were also like all their mutual friends were like you need to meet Carly

and you need to meet Taylor because you guys are like the same person. So in January of 2012 this is immediately suspect. Swift said she was a fan of the model after seeing a photo of her and would love to quote, bake cookies with her.

Kloss responded on Twitter, hey, at Taylor Swift 13, her Twitter handle. Love the Vogue magazine cover. And then she wrote Your Kitchen or Mine. So nearly two years later, they met in person at the 2013 Victoria's Secret Fashion Show.

Carly Kloss said, we'd never met before, but we're BFFs now. Swift said in an interview, we were just like you, my friend, now. And she even hung a photo from their first meeting in her apartment with a handwritten caption, Best Friends Forever, VS 2013 for Victoria's Secret. A few months later, they documented a road trip they took to Big Sur together. So this is just a few months later, they go on a road trip across the country. There's these pictures on Instagram that have since been deleted of them writing their names in the sand with a heart in between.

There's another one of Carly Claus kissing Taylor Swift. in the cheek. That one's a very, like, well- documented one. You can look these up. It looks, I mean, it just- I'm looking at them right now. Right, Jackie, right? I'm absorbed. They're not even my type, and it's just even just like, it really is-

But it's so hot. It's the idea, honestly, it's also, really looking at this. Yeah. And not to just make this, of course, about me, but I look at this and I realize, like, and I know that, Molly, I know we've had this conversation before. I've never had this kind of friendship.

I was just thinking the same thing. I love hugging. I love love. I love. I'm just not. I unfortunately was raised in a very physically affectionateless home. And I don't mean this in a bad way. It was just like we weren't a very touchy-feely family.

And so in looking at this and now I am currently with a partner that I am very very touchy-feely with. And honestly, for the first time ever in my entire life, I've never been a touchy-feely person. And it is something that I am growing into. But even like with, and I have a sister. My sister and I don't, like, if there's one bed, and I'm not judging people that have this. I actually always wanted this. That my sister and I, if there's one bed, I'll sleep on the fucking floor. You know, not because it's like yucky, no, it's more like, nah, you have your space. I'll have my space. And I'm looking at this. I get. very envious that I always wanted a friendship like this,

but now I feel like, I can't even imagine starting because I'd be like, I don't, oh, oh, we're touching. I'm the same way I was just thinking, when Jackie and I met, we knew we really liked each other, we like had so much fun together, like, we definitely hit it off, but like the idea of being like having like a photo of us kissing each other on the cheek is like unthinkable. Like, because both of us are like, we don't touch.

I can't even imagine it. I can't. Yeah. We've known each other for what, 12? years. And it's the same with like hold it too where it's like we hug when we haven't seen each other in a long time.

Just makes me like want to curl up into a ball and throw myself to like a volcano. So that's why looking at it. I'm just like I can't even imagine having a friendship like this. Because even people that I, I stup, I don't. I'm not usually on like this. Right. So Swift gives a tour of her penthouse in New York City from Rolling Stone in

2014 and she pointed out a guest room, quote, where Carly usually stays with multiple photos of Carly Claus on the walls, which is weird, and a basket full of her favorite Whole Foods items that she specifically likes. In December of 2014, Swift and Kloss walk hand in hand down the runway at the Victoria's Secret Fashion Show, and pictures were posted by TMZ of the two seemingly kissing at the 1975 concert in New York City. if you look at those pictures again it's such an either way thing

it definitely really kind of looks like they're making out in that picture but they are at a loud concert venue and they could very easily just be close to them. They're just talking close. They're very easily be talking closer. But they I mean it also kind of looks like they're making out. It's like a magic eye. A rep of

Swift's quickly shut down the rumors and Swift tweeted as my 25th birthday present from the media I'd like for you to stop accusing all my friends dating me. Hashtht thirsty, which I totally get. And I think that that is very possible that this is the case, by the way, I want to establish that. This could easily just be the press being like, she just is in love with the world. She dates everybody, you know, because this was especially

around that time. That was the way the press painted her. They appeared later on the cover of Vogue in 2015 and spoke of their friendship, including how everyone kept telling them they needed to meet because they were so similar. I already mentioned that, and that they kept accidentally dressing alike. They would like show up and they were like, we're in the same clothes. I can't believe it. Molly and I constantly. You're all right. You guys been wearing your tank tops.

You're both wearing tank tops right now. And actually, Jackie was the one who taught me to cut the sleeves off my shirts, which I will forever be grateful to you for. Gotta get you. I mean, you get three drinks in me. If I've got a T-shirt, I'm going to cut the sleeves off. So here's where songs start coming in. While renovating her Franklin Street penthouse in New York City,

she rented a West Village townhouse on Cornelius. Street in June of 2016, which was noticeably much closer to Kloss's apartment. On the album lover, there's a song called Cornelia Street that fans think is actually about Kloss, not Joe Alwin. The lyrics include, you hold my hand on the street, walk me back to that apartment. Years ago, we were just inside, barefoot in the kitchen, sacred new beginnings. That became my religion. Listen, I don't want to lose you.

I hope it never ends. I'd never walk Cornelia Street again. And I do feel like that speaks more towards maybe an affair than towards her current like boo a little bit, I think. It sort of points towards that. But either way, things get hairy here in the sense that, and I'm not talking about styles. Swift did not attend Carly Clause's wedding to Josh Kushner in October of 2018 as well as her second wedding celebration eight months later. I will also say this. one point I will make

Carly Closs had been with this guy Josh Kirshner like I think through the whole all of this So that points towards like she's real But that points towards she's Like this totally wasn't an actual Romance as a friend's yeah Either way the nail in the coffin seems to be

Kloss being spotted on summer vacation Or on vacation with Scooter Braun Shortly after he acquired all the rights to Taylor's first six albums And but it does kind of speak towards you can easily see how that would that doesn't feel like a friendship falling out it feels like a breakup a little bit you know what I mean

it's like they stop talk it like it wasn't like I mean either way like her other falling outs have been so kind of public and bad blood and all that kind of stuff this is like feels like a quiet separation but I also feel like that that is an actual true

friendship breakup because I've had friendship breakups and honestly I think that my friendship breakup that I've had were sometimes worse than partner breakups. Yeah. Because when a friendship breaks up, that is devastating in a very different real way. Yeah. You know, and to a point that you don't want to talk about it.

And the fact that she was with Scooter Braun, I imagine, I'm going to go on and say, had something to do with it. So then it also wrapped her career into it, which would mean that she wouldn't want anyone to know what was going on because that's even more personal than a partnership. Also, I hate to swing in on a chandelier here, but Joshua Kushner is Jared Kushner's brother or the Trump's son-in-law. So that's just a weird element of all this. Not trying to... It's...

It made it political. Make it political. He's the brother. But either way, this whole controversy has come back to light, and I mentioned it last week, the David Swift announced a surprise release of the eighth studio album, folklore, her eight studio album,

July of this year. Klaus posted a pick of herself hanging out in the woods, which is what T. Swift is doing on the cover of folklore. It seemed like a nod. And she also liked a post that was like talking really nicely about T Swift. Swift. It was a bit of a nod like, hey, I kind of given you a tip of the cap, right? But we'll also say Holden told me to listen to the song, Dress by Taylor Swift, which it is a spicy song. I enjoyed the song. So many believe that 1989's, you are in love, and most of the songs from reputation are about Klaus,

including the song Delicate, that includes the lyrics. Is it cool that I said all that? Is it chill that you're in my head? Because I know that it's delicate. And then there's also dress, which is I think they're like her sexiest song. I love this song. So my favorite songs on reputation. And she says, what I think is

the most, the biggest piece of evidence. Are secret moments in your crowded room? they've got no idea about me and you. Say my name and everything just stops. I don't want you like a best friend. Only bought this dress so you can take it off. Which A is super sexy. B, I don't want you like a best friend.

And that's like all they've ever talked about, how they're BFFs. I don't know, Holden. I just can imagine it ever in my life. Maybe it's just a heterosexual couple calling each other best friends, which is your favorite thing. Well, it's not calling each other. their best friends. It's actually, it's actually

backing me up. I don't want you like a best friend. I want you like more than that because that's what you are if you're my lover. Damn it. Internet, Facebook. I just wish I could be sexy enough ever to say, I bought this dress so you could take it off. It's so hot. And say it in like a really sexy

way because never, I'd be like, I got this dress. If you would like to take it off, that would be cool. Why is it a nurse dress? Like, why did you dress like a nurse either are you wearing face paint I'm gonna take your temperature

you patient of mine that you're sick and not that in a bad scary way I mean sick ooh love sick oh wow you're gonna have sex with me man everyone's always saying

Jackie so smooth oh wow I'm the same I'm so bad at it but if you do want to see listen to the song it's on reputation. If you want to, she does a great performance of it on the reputation tour, Netflix special, whatever. But either way, I, my conclusion is this personally, my gut says no,

but my heart wants to believe it. And that's, that's where I stand with it. And also, oh, one more thing that's like a little thing. I do feel like she may come out as buy at some point or, or come out in some way. She wore the buy colors at one point in the, you need to calm down music video, there's all these blind items about it that she's one day going to acknowledge something there as well. So if that, for whatever it's worth to add to the evidence. But either way, what do you, what do you think? I'd say I agree with you. I think that it is, I think it's a fun thing, but I'm pretty sure that they are just friends and that I think that the internet really wants it to be. Yeah. Because someone that is in that much in the public eye, there's no way that

they would be able to hide it. Or I feel like it's too juicy for it to be hidden. And she has the reputation of, you know, specifically writing songs about different people. And that secret thing is a very fun thing to speculate over. Of course. It's also beautiful. I just want her to be happy.

I just want everybody to be happy. And you know what? If they're happy together, I think that's fucking great. Yeah. Yeah. Molly, do you, how do you feel? I'm also in the I want to believe.

I actually think that this makes Taylor Swift much more interesting to me. Not that I don't think that she's very interesting. But I get it. This is like a very fun. But yeah, there's all these like girl best friend relationships that I think are very interesting. But I have not had relationships just quite like that. So maybe it was just that. But the breakup thing, yeah, I don't know.

I think I'm going to say I believe it. Wow. All right. There you go. There it is. Bit of a deep dive this week. I know we're like way crazy late for when we would normally finish

with the celebrity consensy. We're having fun. It's okay. In fact, I'll shorten up the list and we'll get back to it because this one I don't really know how if I believe all the things on this list. But guys, yes, it is time for the list.

Oh! Who's on the list? Jackie, got to have that list. Weird ways. Spilled over into reality. So this one starts off. There's a bunch of items on this list, and some of them really did intrigue me. This makes a lot of sense.

Harry Potter revived the British boarding school industry. It says the number of students in boarding schools fell every year from 1987 to the mid-2000s when Harry Potter got mega-popular. The quote, Harry Potter effect was so strong. boarding schools had to build new housing to satisfy demand. I will definitely say that it is the idea of boarding school has always alerted me. I have been, I've always been broke. I can't imagine ever being in a situation where I would have been sent to a boarding school. And the idea of it, of course, when you're horny and young, of course, seems like heaven on earth.

But now as an adult, I look at it. I'm like, that's a nightmare. I think I always saw it as some kind of weird prison for children. I guess it was always the threat was military school, right? Back in the day. But I could totally see that as a kid being very different about my approach to the concept of boarding school because of Harry Potter if I'd read it at the time. I would have loved it.

I did not read Harry Potter as a kid, but I would have totally loved the idea of like, it's like prison and or college. Like you get to stay in dorms. You get to make out with people. You get to have friends in your room at night. You know, it's so intriguing. Honestly, as someone that was, I think that as I was getting older at that time period, I was so brutally made fun of in school that in my brain I was like,

but no one would be able to protect me. Like that I wouldn't be, that I would be stuck there and that what if no one believed me? And it was a lot of those issues. And that was, yeah. That's just my psychological. trauma. If you went to sleepaway camp and you didn't do well, though, like, I did not do well at sleepaway camp. Like, I was like, yeah, no, I can't do boarding school. They would kill me and eat me. I can't even imagine. But this is kind of fun. Did you know that the, quote,

your toast, that the usage of the word toast was introduced to the world by Bill Murray's character in the movie Ghostbusters. I had no idea. That, I hope that it's, of course, I didn't look into the list. I hope that that's real. But it does. I think that's so fun is that that is such a huge part of our lexicon that it came from a movie for the first time being used as such. Hmm. I did it two-part around Ghostbusters. I did not recover this artifact of knowledge, but I believe it.

I think it's kind of fun. But also this one, again, also makes sense that Lucky Strikes, cigarettes experienced a huge sales boom. because of madmen. Of course. That when the show first aired, right? The company sold 23 billion packs a year. By 2013, that number had jumped to 33 billion, and experts attribute the boom to the show.

It is, I mean, I know now that, like, you know, you can't have cigarette magazine ads anymore, that cigarette ads in the publicity of being for cigarettes doesn't exist too often anymore. but I'm going to throw it out there. There are sometimes when I'm watching a movie that still makes cigarette smoking look cool. And it is, it was put into us very young

that if you smoke cigarettes, that you are cool. And I get it. And Mad Men was the ultimate. It's a trash brand of cigarettes, but I get it. Mad Men was the, I made it through college, not smoking cigarettes, because my brother was like, you should do every substance you want,

but not cigarettes. I'm very proud of you. Yeah, and I followed as advice. And so, and mind you, it wasn't until the 2010s that Mad Men, that I was watching Mad Men, had made it well through the danger zone of becoming a young cigarette smoker and was watching it. And I was like, ooh, that does look sexy. It's hard.

They make it look real good. They're bastards. Oh, and the vape never looks as good. This is a fun one. Mars refused to grant permissible. for Stephen Spielberg to use M&Ms in E.T. So Elliot instead uses a trail of Reese's pieces to lure E.T. Better.

But after the movie's release, Reese's pieces received a huge boost in popularity. Hershey Foods overtook Mars as the largest company in the chocolate candy market. And Mars scrambled to release a number of peanut butter flavored products. I think especially between this show and pop history, I think it's so fun to see that kind of stuff when people are like, man, I really should have jumped on that game, huh? I guess I really should have given it a shot, shouldn't I? Risa's pieces are better than M&M's. Sorry, not sorry.

Whoa, I get it. I'm here for you, but then that's, oh, my God. Oh, oh, the little Reese's Pieces Cups. It's got the little Reese's pieces inside of the Reese's Cup. Oh, my God, with the crunch. And this one, this will be the last one I do off our list. This one goes out to you, Molly. Lisa Simpson made a young girl.

crazy for saxophones. I love it. When the Simpsons started airing, lots of preteen girls started playing the sax, because Lisa played it. Band directors even had to turn away new saxophonists,

or they'd have an all-sax band. In the 90s, Simpson's creator Matt Groening, I'm sorry, Graining. How do you say it? I think it's graining, yeah. Gaining? In the 90s, Simpson's creator, Matt Gaining would regularly get photos

of girls with their saxophones in his fan mail. What a wonderful thing. to inspire for young girls. Love it. I think that is such a beautiful. Honestly, I try not to usually include her, but my niece is starting to learn how to skateboard right now.

And she really wants, she's 14, she wants to learn her to skateboard. I'm so, like, my sister's really supportive of it. We're both very supportive of it. She's getting very into the world of skateboarding. And I was like, girl, get it. I was like, it's the same way, at her age, I wanted to be a drummer so bad. And of course, my mom was like, fuck, no. No, no, no, no.

I'm not dealing with you and a set of drums in the house, which I guess I understand. But the same thing, though, with saxophones. Honestly, I think it's just sexy if anybody plays. What are they, Molly? I said woodwind earlier, but I know that trumpets and saxophiles are not woodwinds. No, a saxophone is a woodwind, but a trumpet is not. A trumpet is brass. It's a brass.

That's a brass. Oh, is it just because of the mouthpiece or whatever? Yeah, the read, right? A read, yeah. I never knew how to play a read. Yeah, yeah, same, same. But either way, I have to say, guys, I can no longer see, and I'm pretty sure that I am going.

Blind! It's! We can't see them! And I'm not lying about it, absolutely not. And I have two for you. I actually, I'm glad that I ended up cutting the third one because it was a pretty weak sauce. Angelia Jolie and Brad Pitt are still definitely hanging out a lot and they have now like exchanged key codes and stuff to each other's houses and they're just like definitely

hanging out a lot and like maybe reuniting and that's that was the third one so it wasn't that. I just wanted to revisit it either way. Here's revisiting another thing we've actually already talked about today. The A list manager might as well give up being a butt kissing hypocrite. The talk show host is going to quit. there will be no show for him to send his talent roster. The singer who will move up the list with her show hates the manager. Wait, so Scooter Braun.

That was Allen. Yes. Oh. And yes. Ellen and Scooter Braun, 100%. Okay. Wait, Scooter Braun is her manager as well? No, but he, I'm about to get into his tweet where he is the one, of course it's

Scooter Braun. He's the one person going like, she's cool, man. She's nice. And all this stuff, right? But either way. He's the manager of the person who might replace her? No, he's, the person who might replace her doesn't fucking like him. And the person might replace her is a lady who is a singer-musician who has a show.

Is it Kelly Clarkson? Yes. Oh, fun. I love Kelly Clarkson. I love Kelly Clarkson. I love for her to takeover. Yeah, she's great. She'll make you stronger.

Furn a little longer. Stay a little taller. So Braun recently tweeted out, people love to take shots. They love to see people fall. How quickly so many forget. How easy it is to stay quiet when it doesn't affect them. And he spelled effect, EFF, ECT, which is the wrong. Grammar.

The Ellen Show is a kind, thoughtful, courageous human being who stands for what is right and highlights on her show the best of us. She has helped change the viewers for equality. Needed to say this, as I know firsthand how she helps so many. When we are watching and when we are not. She isn't about what is popular. She's about what is right. Sending love to Ellen today.

And then on Insta, he wrote, she doesn't do what is popular. She does what is right. Her story shows us that. Her history provides a better world. Today, I'm sending love out to her. I know firsthand how much she helps others, both when we are all watching and when we are not,

at the Ellen show, thank you for all you do and keep your head held high. Can I just say that whenever anyone says something, something something for equality they don't know what the fuck they're talking about they're a good fighter for equality they have no idea what the fuck

can I just say and I I don't know all right I don't want to offend a person who named their kid's scooter but like you know scooter that's what we're going either way all right I'm not going to dwell on it too long but we get to the next line up but he's a great Muppet I'm throwing that out there I love Muppet

the best scooter is absolutely Scooter the Muppet for sure. You're actually changing my mind about it. I forgot about the Scooter Muppet. Great Muppet. The only scooter. Now I think you should name your kid's scooter. Over the past, over the past few weeks, people are taking a much closer look at the past of this Mommager, specifically the time several decades ago when she was trying to push herself up the Hollywood ladder and dipped a toe or more into the occult. She even peddled objects on national television showing she was willing to do whatever it took to move up the list. Mommature.

Chris Jenner. Chris Jenner, the ultimate momager. Who is also on the short list to take over Ellen. What? Pardon? No way. That would be terrible. That would be terrible.

I mean, give me a Kelly Clarkson. She's not likable enough. Wow. I just don't, I don't understand why people like Chris Jenner and James Corden are on a list to take over Ellen. Yeah. It is just, I don't understand. I don't understand. You're not an executive, Jackie.

You just don't get it. You're right. And I'm not famous. And maybe that's why. I don't understand. I don't get it. Who wants to watch that? At least I understand that James Gordon has a lot of appeal because he does fun karaoke in the car.

So it's like if you're a casual consumer of television, you're like, that guy's fun. But what Ellen has is like that she's like so appealing to everyone. That's like the thing she has to offer. And I feel like Chris Jenner does not have that. It's like stepping into Oprah's shoes. This is huge. This is not just a television show. It is so much bigger than that.

You can't just choose. And also, again, James Corden, who is notoriously not good to the people that work for him. That is not a very nice person. And also just a fucking straight white pud. I'm just to fucking say it. Who sold Wicks of Wisdom? Candles. That's right. Chris Jinnor, the mother of the famous Kardashian-Gradshaw Jinnor Sisters. Before the Keeping Up with the Kardashians reality show was an infomercial

queen, Jenner was selling, quote, magic candles that can, quote, enhance your spirituality and, quote, dramatically improve your life. The video which leaked on Reddit and YouTube a few years ago was recorded in the 19, I'm going to guess 90s, even though I wrote 1900s. I think I'm going to type of that. Ooh, the 1900s. Judging by Jenner's outfit and the quality of the recording. The candle collection called Wicks of Wisdom was created by Dr. Linda Salvin, a woman who became a psychic after surviving a plane crash in 1981. These candles supposedly can help, quote, overcome the most incredible situations. According to the infomercial, one set helps with money problems. The other attracts love. The third enhances happiness and the last set

improves health. And the video, neither Salvin nor Jenner explains exactly how the candles can make all these things possible. What could be learned from the infomercial is that one set costs $100, which was quite expensive during that time. The video also includes testimonials from satisfied Wic of Wisdom customers. When I checked the bank, it showed money, one of them said. Another woman praised that the candles helped get her a job, and the other found love. Guys, they lit a candle and they got love. I'm not going to be against.

I do believe in the idea of rituals, but I don't know if that just means. means that you should be the head of the huge corporation. It's, I love the idea of, I, oh, I looked at my bank account and I found money. It was just sitting there, which is, because I lit a candle. Not a part of, of, of the ritualistic belief system. It's, that is not, it's not magic in that way, but I'm not going to, again, I'm not going to go down that road right now. but I do not think that she should be trusted and also to take over something that is that is something as much as I know that Ellen it seems is not a very good person or very nice to work for

she did build something big and why disrespect what she is built by giving it to someone that doesn't deserve it that's the thing right like no doesn't deserve it yeah like Gordon doesn't deserve it right Like, like, again, like, it can be true that Ellen is like, has made horrific choices and has treated people horribly. But there's a reason why she is, like, more interesting. She's more interesting than a lot of talk show hosts, right? Like, she is like, I've always thought that, like, I know that a lot of people don't like the whole kid talent thing. And there's a good reason for that. But Jackie, you're one of them.

But I feel like when she talks to kids, she does. doesn't talk down to them. Like she's actually like mutually respectful when she talks to kids. That's something I appreciate, right? I appreciate that she, you know, she's whatever. She's innocuous and fun. Like, but she's talented at what she does. She can be totally shitty, but still like good at what she does. And I feel like Chris Jenner nor James Gordon brings anything even remotely to the table in terms of being interesting, in terms of doing something kind of compelling, something different, even something totally, like, bland but interesting, like what the Ellen show has become, like, bland but fine.

Like, neither of them even have, like, anything mildly interesting. They don't have that. They don't even have that. Oh, good Lord. But although I kind of am interested in these magic candles, I'll get some magic candles. Well, either way, I can absolutely see again. and I think that is. Oh, welcome back, Holden.

Congratulations. Yeah. You should go to a disability day for children. Yeah. Yeah. Tape his legs together. Now he understands. Oh, my God.

Wheels is so fucking hot. Y'all look up the BK Kids Club. Wheels is hot. So is jaws. So is, what is it, KidVid? I don't know. The one with the things trapped his face. I'm into it.

But I'm so happy you can see again, Holden. And welcome back, but also welcome to our goodbye of page seven this week. I had a fun one today with this one. I had a great time with you guys. Thank you so much. Hell yeah. You're welcome.

You know what? I think it's what we all needed. I think we all needed to have a little bit of a smile. I love you guys. My name is Jackie Zabrowski. You can follow me on Instagram at Jack That Worm. I also want y'all to know that it begins. It begins.

I'm starting Twilight. I'm starting the audiobook for the page. 7 Patreon. I already, I was recording it earlier today. I don't know anything about Twilight, never seen it, never read it, to the point

that I didn't realize that Stephanie Meyer is Mormon and I was like, why is the book, why is all these Bible things in the beginning that book? So it's kind of fun to go on this journey, though. I'm throwing that out there. I didn't know that either. But either way, you can check that out, patreon.com

forward slash page 7 podcast. Check me out Twitch.com. TV forward slash Holdenators Ho. 6 p.m. E.T. Friday night. Jackie and I put on one hell of a show. We get drunk.

And that's all I got to say about that. Twitch. com slash Holdenators ho. Molly? You guys should know now that every time I drink a white claw getting goes, oh no, white claw. Yeah. Juccanees, baby.

Which is a Jackanese thing. But my name is Molly Neffel and I am MJK Lcat on Insta. We love you guys so much. We'll be back next week. Bye, Kew. Bye, everybody. This show is made possible by listeners like you. Thanks to our ad sponsors, you can support our shows by supporting them. For more shows like the one you just listened to, go to lastpodcastnetwork.com.