Page 7 - Every Week Is Difficult w/ Natalie Jean

Episode Date: February 5, 2026

This week on Page 7, MJ and Jackie are joined by Natalie Jean to discuss yet  another chaotic week in pop culture, including the tragic loss of Catherine O'Hara. Then in some more positive news, there's some more "Wonder Man" talk, chat about Justin Bieber's Grammys performance, including his new back tattoo that's either Hailey or a young Jesus, plus "WUTHERING HEIGHTS" CHAT! Jackie reminds everyone 'bout the Feb 25th monster fucker show at the Ripped Bodice in LA, and lil more Grammy check-in before the LIST of JUST FACTS but a deeper dive is gonna be on "Second Helpings"! Then we got a few blindz that DON'T involve Jeffrey Epstein. Finally, we got LYING COOKIES for Jackie's Snackie's at 1:10:21.133, and a RED HAWT MJ's Minute Munchies at 1:17:09.596, until 1:22:22.461Want even more Page 7? Support us on Patreon! Patreon.com/Page7Podcast Subscribe to SiriusXM Podcasts+ to listen to new episodes of Page 7 ad-free.Start a free trial now on Apple Podcasts or by visiting siriusxm.com/podcastsplus. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Don't care what my teachers say. I'm got to be a supermodel. And everyone's got to dress like me. You wait and see. I'm going to be a supermodel. Natalie. Why that's a sign, Jackie. Your hair is shining.

Well, because I was thinking about the clueless soundtrack because Natalie is joining us. And I was thinking about I want to be a supermodel And I was thinking about Natalie and I Because Natalie and I spend a lot of time together Now especially in the world of the fantasy And sometimes when we're in the world of the fantasy And we're going to these balls

Sometimes it's late at night And I've smoked a bunch of weed And Natalie's had a couple of wines And we throw on a little bit of clueless That was a good night. Remember that Natalie? I do remember that. Yeah. that Alicia Silverstone just found like an old, a friend of hers, I think.

I'm trying to find the post so I can get the details right. But I think a friend of hers from when she was a teenager found like a letter that she had sent. It was pre-clueless right around the time of the movie, Crush. Not sure if you guys remember Crush. Of course. Oh, you think I don't remember the movie. I remember when she was an underage ingenue. Yes, for sure.

Yes. Wait, okay, but always, you know what, I'm going to be showing my ass hat right now. Is that the one when she gets finger blasted on the roll on the Ferris wheel? It's a carousel. It's a carousel. Yeah. No. She's going up and down and he's finger blasted her and she's going up and down on the pony.

Well, I don't know if it's one of the up and down. I don't remember the finger blasting scene. I just remember the carousel, which shows you how much of a child I was. I haven't seen that movie probably since like 2002. Like since it was on TV at night and your parents weren't around and you're like, oh, watch this movie. You know what it is? I get it confused.

And I think I do this every time. I get it confused with the movie Fear. With Reese With Spirthin and Mark Wahlberg, it might have been fear and not. Cros. Unsurprisingly from that time period, there are a lot of movies about underage girls seducing men and ruining their marriages. Sometimes boys, Natalie, because we are watching Desperienced. Housewives, MJ and I over on the page 7 Patreon, and I will say,

Evil Angoria is really stooping a full-on high schooler to a point, and I'm sorry that I said this multiple times during our Wisteria Laniacs episode. Go check that out over on page 7 Patreon, but he did say that he had to save up months of his lunch money to get a hotel so that they could bang in it. And doesn't that make your pussy move into a different territory? Like I feel like my pussy doesn't exist anyway. Like if someone, like I'd be like, well, I guess I'm never going to speak to you ever again. Your lunch money?

2004 was the fucking wild west out here. It's almost like our country and our entertainment industry are run by sex. It's a difficult. No, Natalie. Listen, every week is difficult. Every week is difficult for a fresh reason. This week is difficult. Because I can warn you right now, stay out of the blind items, guys.

It took a long time to find any blind items that weren't upsetting this week because of... A lot about a list on there, right? There's a lot going on in there? Yeah, too much. You find out any new fun ones? Did we get anybody in any new fun ones that we got on the list? And also, this is my general insight from, you know, we just had the Golden Globes. And, of course, now we just have the Grammys.

And I, every year I say this on page 7, but I'm going to say it again, And the Grammys are such a better show than the Golden Globes. They're always so much more fun to watch. The performances are fantastic. Many excellent speeches. But I noticed that the Golden Globes blind items afterwards, so fun. Those actors, they are messy bitches. They are, the blinds after the Golden Globes are just a romp.

And after the Grammys, every blind is just like, this person was on Coke and this person was wasted. And I'm like, you guys are going to make more interesting blinds. Yeah. But again, maybe it's Epstein's fault. Many things are. Let's just blame him for all of it. For everything that's gone wrong. Anything that's in your life that's happening, just throw it at that, you know?

There's a lot of other things going on. You know what I'm going to throw it out there? You know what I didn't need this week? Catherine O'Hara's death. Oh, my God. Can we just come out the gate? Every person I know, like, I immediately burst into tears. Oh, yeah.

I shrieked. It is just she was 71 years old. She, like, I thought we had so much more time. She's younger than my mother. Way too young. She looked fantastic. I know. And he looked a little frail, though, about three months ago.

And I know. And so they were saying, I know not a lot, at least not yet in this week, but it does seem that everyone was saying she had had a brief illness. But it was a lot more sudden and surprising than everybody thought. Everybody, it seems, was surprised. and it's the only the only you know like little light out of this is just the immense massive non-stop celebration of her work and I have just been watching her you know clips all weekend and there was a post that I saw that was like the most amazing thing about Catherine O'Hara is that she started off really funny and she kept getting funnier but she is so funny that like

anything you watch is her best work. Like it's wild that Moira Rose This is like one of her masterpieces That came at the end of her career Yes Yes But then you could go back and just be like Everything else you did is good too

Like what the hell We've been like rewatching all of the Christopher Guest movies since then Just to like feel something Yeah I mean and we had never watched I had never seen for your consideration And dare I say That's like the best one

Oh yeah I haven't seen for your consideration either My God. She is unbelievable in it. And also, I have to say, best in show, watching it again, that was... Love Satarian. That was a total, that was like a prototype Moira. Yes. You go back and watch. Yes. Yeah. And I also, even just, you know, I've watched multiple interviews talking with Eugene Levy and Dan Levy too talking about that they knew, you know, for Dan Levy, it was a big, he's like, I know you work with my father and I'm having my father a part of this, but. But like, it was a big ask for him to do that. And they really didn't know what character she was going to do for Moira Rose. They didn't know until the first day of shooting.

God. And then they started hearing the accent that she had chosen and they lost their minds. Every Schitts Creek interview is so good. The ones with her, there's like, there's one with her where she's like, you're going to try to imitate this character and it's impossible because the mistake you're going to make is you're going to try to make it consistent. And there's no consistency. No consistency. Her own analysis of the character, but then seeing everybody else just being like, you know, all like Dan Levy and Eugene Levy and just talking.

You see that there's an interview with, I think it's Dan Levy and Karen Culkin. And they're talking about the wine ad that she does. And like, Karen Culkin is like, it is the hardest I've ever laughed in my entire life. She's like Lucille Ball, like literally. Oh, my God. Yeah. If Lucille Ball, too, was allowed to be as big as she wanted to, you know, it's like, Lucille Ball obviously was in charge of a lot, but even just obviously the difference between then and now of what she could get away with. And Catherine O'Hara just, you know, every person that ever worked with her was just like she was exactly what you would expect her to be.

And as someone that, if you've never checked out SCTV before, I cannot recommend it. more. Essentially, it's Canadian SNL. And I was just reading this article earlier this morning that apparently Catherine O'Hara was hired on SNL and was hired for about a week before she bounced the hell out of there and before she even shot her first episode

because SCTV was always up in the air with it getting picked up again and it would go from network to network. But that was her comedy family. So she gets picked up from SNL. And so she goes to go shoot that. And then she immediately finds out that SCTV got picked up again, dropped it immediately, went back to SCTV. And it is like her characters in SCTV are definitely why I am the way I am today. I love Catherine O'Hara and this one hurt.

I must must recommend you watch for your consideration. and I got that flipped backwards. Her Moira prototype is for your consideration. You have to watch it. It's so good and it is really just fun to watch her developing that character. And being in the entertainment industry, it's just all kind of like inside baseball shit. But if you're not in the film industry, it's still hilarious. It's so funny.

It's so fucking good. In the same way, if you're not in like, you know, it's like best in show. If you don't have a dog, you're also still going to find it hilarious. And Mighty Wind also. Yeah. Another one of those where it's like, I listen to the soundtrack of Mighty Wind all the time. Because not only was it so hilarious of a movie, but the music is great. Yeah.

If you like folk, you know, it's like if you like that kind of music. Because it just everybody is always in a Christopher guest movie. God, they're always given their 100%. And if you have not, if you've not had the opportunity since her passing, just slap them on. Just put them on. Let's live in her memory. It's so nice to dissociate from everything that's going on and watch those movies from the early 2000s

and be like, wow, that was a different world, huh? And like hearing her love story where she met her husband because he was a producer on Beetlejuice and Tim Burton knew that he had a crush, like, Bo had a crush on her and was like, you should ask her out. And it was the first day of shooting.

And she's like, I love Beetlejuice so much because it reminds me. reminds me of when we fell in love. And like that all of Beetlejuice was when they fell in. Did you also, did you see, do you see McCauley's post? Yes. I did. Yes.

I did. I did see the pose. And also there's a clip of her from being on Watch What Happens Live. Yeah. Oh, the Watcher Happens Live. The Hollywood Walk of Fame is, the clip is beautiful because you can hear him in the clip saying thanks mom but in there's a there's a watch what happens live clip of her from like 2023 or something and somebody but kind of before macaulay had like kind of reemerged you know and so somebody asked are you still

in touch with macaulay calkin and it comes off as kind of a laugh line um you know because again we all know that mcculley had like a long kind of adulthood where everyone was like what's going on with him and she says you know i didn't see him for a really long time and we had fallen out of touch and then I ran into him at an event like a year and a half ago. So that would have been like the early 2020s. And she said that she sees him and she just goes, son and he goes, mommy. And they embraced like and they just automatically.

And so his post where he says like, mom, I thought we had more time. Like apparently he just always called her mom. And then you can see it in the Walk of Fame video too where he leans in and hugs her and says, thanks, mom. And it's just like he didn't have any parents looking out for him. No one looking out for him.

And Catherine O'Hara did. And John Candy did too. And like the, you know, I sent you guys this article that someone was talking about that it's like, why were so many of us? And also across multiple generations, we were so attached to Catherine O'Hara. And it's specifically because she has been showing, which I thought this was an interesting perspective, she's been showing the roles of being an imperfect mother from the Rip, deeply imperfect mothers.

Almost arguably bad mom. Bad moms, but also misunderstood moms in a way, like during a time, it's like even think about her in like Beetlejuice. Like you think about that where it's like she's not, she's definitely not a great mom. She didn't sign up to be a mom. No, she didn't sign up to be a mom. She's in our tease. She's, but she is, you know, well, well, she's there and she certainly is tried.

But then it's like her and with home alone. and I was watching some interview where she was talking about that this, like, an eight-year-old had come up to her when she was in an airport and called her a bad mother. And she was just like, you're a child. Like, she was so taken aback that this eight-year-old would call her a bad mother. And he's like, you didn't leave him home once. You left him home twice. And she's like, it was a sequel. I'm trying to explain to this kid.

It's interesting, too, because I've always thought that home alone is kind of like, I don't mean to say it doesn't feature her, but she's like she's not in Home Alone. She's not, I didn't, like I saw Home Alone a million times before I realized how funny Catherine O'Hara was, you know, because she is a bit more of like the straight,

a straight character in that movie. And so I've never thought of Home Alone, despite how much I love that movie, is like a Catherine O'Hara, like, you know, like her absolute best work. But there's been a couple of different things that have come out now since she died about it,

one of which is that she said that the line where she says like where he says like, you know, I hate you. I wish I didn't have a family and she's like say it again and maybe it'll come true. She said that it was like so hard to say. She wasn't a mother yet herself, but she was just like, who would say that to a kid? Like it was so hard to say. But then she's like, you know, and then I did become a mother. And you know, she's like, you don't realize.

And you don't ever think. She's like, you know what I mean to your kids, but sometimes you do. Sometimes you really rip them a new one, yeah. But then also, like, I've seen people talking about, you know, look, when you look at the actual screenplay for the scene at the end when she comes in, you know, and reunites with him. And then when you actually look at the acting and it's like that she comes in and she has this look on her face, like he's going to be so happy to see her.

And then she sees how disappointed and upset he is. And like just, it's like you just look at her face and the amount of acting that she is doing to be like, I'm so excited to see you. Oh, fuck. you're really sad and then she gives him the apology and that's all he needs and then they can reconnect it's so good I'm sorry there goes MJ and MJ's crying and we're all crying and you know but then you slap on Orange County because I will throw it out there I forgot she was in Orange County and then I watched like a super cut of her she's got a small character in Orange

County which I haven't seen since high school and I forgot that she just man knocks it out of the fuck out of like plays this weird. weird drunk mom that is just like it no matter what she touched it turned it to gold. Sorry that we talked about it for so long except not sorry. Yes, sorry. Sorry, not sorry. It's just I'm genuinely very, very sad. My love goes out to her family.

And now it also does give me a real reason to finally finish the studio. Yes. You know, I got to watch the studio. I know that it's really good. And I watch the first two episodes, very good. Yeah. I got to finish it. Yes.

And, you know, I shouted out. out Wonder Man last week on Second Helpings, which is great. But then one of the, one of our Patreon commenters was like, Wonder Man is more than a superhero show. It's like a superhero show meets the studio. And I thought that was such, because it's so much about the industry. Yes. And it's so, it's weird.

It's like a new Marvel show. And MJ brought it up last week. And I was like, okay. I almost a little bit. And then I watched the trailer for it. And I was like, oh, because you're right. It is way more. I haven't watched an episode of.

it yet, we just saw the trailer. And I was like, but I was surprised by how much I wanted to watch it. Because it's not a regular. It's not like the other marvel. Oh, good. You know, so there's been other marvels that are not like the other marvels. Like I, I loved Wanda Vision. I was completely, absolutely adored it.

But this, yeah, this is one of those where they had no idea what was going on. I mean, I definitely had to keep asking Jeff. I'm like, what does that one do? Why is that one here? I mean, I like that she's a witch, but I don't understand it. Yeah. But I had that quite. fallen for Wonder Man.

When I brought it up last week, I was like, we're starting it. I'm kind of, you know, I'm like, for me, it's just a, it's just a superhero until proven otherwise. But now Wonder Man is proving otherwise. It is very, very good. And it is, I, but, you know, listeners, tell us, I, because I've been in the, in and around this industry for a long enough that sometimes when a show is very industry-e, I'm like, okay, is this, like, how is this appealing to people who, for whom the inside jokes aren't,

hitting and there's just so many industry-e things like the studio is about the industry wonder man's about the industry but i i also think it's really well done and it's obviously like it's a it's a it's an area rife for satirization and exploration and everything um but yeah at first i actually was kind of like oh wonder man is about acting uh but actually it's like very good about acting oh that's i mean i'm trying to express enthusiasm for a superhero show how do i find it Where's dig, dig it? You got to really scrape at the bottom of the barrel. I understand, but that's why I really,

I couldn't even believe I put on the trailer. I was like, but then I was like, okay, I could see this. I trust your tastes. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. I mean, we did have all this conversation about Catherine O'Hara.

You know that we have great taste. But I guess the real question is Natalie, how do you feel about Justin Bieber? Is it too much of an in general? question for you. You know, I'm not an expert on him. Okay. I don't follow all of I know, I know that, I know the

gist of his arc psychologically, I guess, more than anything. I do think that, are you talking about the specific performance? I thought the performance was so good. I think a lot of people were dumping on it for him

not trying and I was like, I actually think some of the dress downs, dressed like live performances are sometimes the most impactful. Anybody who's dumping on that performance can go fuck. It was a great. I mean, I don't care if you love Justin Bieber, but I thought that was a triumphant return to the stage.

It was mostly people online saying, women have to make an entire set piece, and then men can just roll out in their underwear, which I don't know if that's really what's going on. It's very true. I don't, I was a calculated image, obviously. I don't think he literally rolled out of bed guys.

Yeah, and I go, it's like, I feel like everything, that we do know about Justin Bieber has been watching him loosely hold on to a reality that... Yeah, I think the issue for me

is that I have a soft spot for anyone who was dragged into this world when they're children. Why I always get on the fence for Jojo Siwa. Yes. Same us as the two of us.

Unfortunately, I'm just like she's still in her brain a child. Like she hasn't grown up. Not only that, Jojo and Justin have been exploited to the level of they have been nothing but factory made money-making machines to the adults around them. And so, yeah, they're going to be weird.

Of course. They never had childhoods. They don't know how to connect to people. Totally. I always have felt the way that I feel about Justin Bieber, especially, and this has, same thing happened to Miley. It's happened to Brittany when he was in his early 20s and he started to act like a complete maniac.

And everyone was like, wow, you suck. And it's like, oh, good. we like made him and then we were like oh you what the fuck are you we made that you know and then and i don't mean we like it's not like the regular random people's fault the industry made this kid right and then he started acting like a famous person and everyone was like who do you think you are and you know and it's not to like obviously a lot of is going on with justin bieber it's hard the blinds about him are really sad and it's very hard i generally try to avoid talking about him because I'm like, I want to give him space to figure out whatever is going on with his mental health.

And I don't know. I'm not saying he's a good husband. Yeah. There's a lot of speculation. There's so much speculation. And it's all across the board of what people are saying he has been like of what he has been doing, of how he has been acting. But there is, you know, I just feel like all of it is so just like, I just hope that he's taking care of himself. And I don't know if he is.

I think he's not. I think we know that he's not. But just seeing him sing again. It was like I felt like what I was seeing after the Grammys was people being like, oh, yeah. He's a great, he's a very talented, you know, singer, and he's a very talented artist. And I think that that also sometimes gets lost in the mix. That got lost in the mix with Miley. There was a long time when no one was acknowledging that Miley was a talented artist because it was just like Miley's crazy.

Look at this crazy girl. And so I feel like I was just so happy to. to have Justin have his moment on stage. Totally. And like he's got a fantastic voice. I really like his music. And again, I'm not endorsing everything's ever done. But I was just like, I want, I don't know, I had this very, I also feel so protective of him.

And I had this very naive, like, this is what you can do. Like, you can do this instead of whatever else you're doing. Honey, just play the guitar. Yeah. Full grown adult. But I'm like, yes, sweetie. This is what you like. Do that.

I've seen a couple of headlines referring to him as a wife guy in recovery. And I feel like that's such a, that's such a basing way. I mean, like, but I feel like that on top of the PR narrative of it did seem like he does have a tattoo of Haley Bieber's face on his back. I have to talk about that. I would love to talk. Now, I'm just going to say, if my husband were going through a, you know, it's like, I know he was diagnosed with like the facial paralysis.

Like he's been going through a lot. And if Jeff came home and said, Jackie, I know what's going to help. I'm going to get a ghost-like image of you tattooed on my back. But we have not actually established that's her because that looks to me clearly like a portrait of Jesus Christ.

You think it's Jesus Christ? That's what it looks like to me. Oh my God. It's a Haley J.C. I didn't even. They do look like. Or is it Jesus Christ? Jesus Christ.

This is the first time this question has been asked, but it won't be the last. Won't be the last. Now, they are saying it is, all right, there's no confirmation. The internet is 99% sure that it's Haley Bieber's face. And, well, but although I don't know, I should also ask the internet, but is it Jesus Christ? I'm going to say Jesus Christ tattoo. Oh, that is. Oh, Natalie.

you've really just complicated things. Oh, but no, he's got a Christ on his leg. So would you do double Christ? And that one would do. Really given Christ. That one's like really Christy. Religious people who get religious tattoos often get, and I worked at a tattoo shop, they often get like 50 religious tattoos.

Whoa. Yeah. Yeah, you got one Christ, you're going to want to get another Christ. But this always makes me think of Nick Cannon because Nick Cannon got a full top of his back tattooed in script and it said Mariah. on his back. And then after they got divorced, he replaced the Mariah tattoo with a huge full back tattoo of Christ on the crucifix. And that's what he got as a cover up of the Mariah tattoo. I just think it's so, I don't know why I think it's so funny that like the side of the

cross is what is covering. We're like where he's nailed to the cross is where he's covering Maria's name. But you know, it's nice that he's carrying him on his back. I'm going to say, I'm going to make a sweeping statement that anybody who has that big of a religious tattoo, don't be trusting them. Whoa. What about if he's got all those kids and he wants to spread his seed everywhere in Emily? Yeah. If anything, Nick Cannon's love of Christ makes him more trustworthy.

But that's just like one of the few. I don't know, man. I'm at the point where if you're talking about Christ all the time, I'm like, what are you hiding? Yeah. That's the level of cynicism I'm at now. It's like you're saying you've just like found God or whatever. you just did something, you're trying to cover up. And I don't want to hear about it. Or at least if you get a full back tattoo of it. I feel like that it's like how big the Christ tattoo is, I think should correlate. Yeah, that's the size of the criminal investigation that you need into you. Also, if we're going to do a side-by-side analysis of the Christ on Bieber's leg versus the Haley Bieber slash Christ on his back, I don't know why you would get a bearded Christ on your leg, a bearded and flower crowned Christ on your leg, which is what he has. It's a very bigley Bieber. It's a very big.

very detailed Christ. And if this Christ is on his bag, this is like young Jesus or something. I think it's thorns. I don't know if it's a flower crown. I think it's one of those four things that he I don't know the lingo, Jackie. I don't know that. And he was running through the field and he just collected some flowers and he put it on his head. Why is there blood on it? I don't worry. I don't know what happened. You know, everything passed. I think Jesus has. But what's on his bat is a clean-shaven fresh-faced Jesus. Or is it daily people? Yeah, maybe it's like different eras.

Yeah. Oh, it's the eras of Christ. Oh my God, that's going to be the second Taitor. And she's also going to become a double billionaire from it. Oh, that's kind of cute. Remember when he was dead and then he wasn't dead? I want to be that one. I want to be that one. I want to be the cave one inside the cave one.

Yeah, cave one. I want to be the burning bush. Can I do that? Is that Christ? Is that Christ as a bush? Is that what happens? I don't know. I think that might be the Old Testament. That might be a whole different book.

I don't look at it. Someone could explain to us the eras so that we can start working this. Choose which one we want. Make a calendar, you know. Okay, wait. Okay, before we move off this tattoo, my question more than anything is, it looks like a very shoddily done. Shitty tattoo.

You're trying to say it's a shitty tattoo. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. It just, if you obviously can pay for a good one. So what's up with that? It does look bad. not sure what's going on. Maybe it's not finished. I feel like everyone needs to look at it too because it does look like it kind of reminds me, is it the haunted mansion or what

entity is it? What IP is it that like you take a picture but then like you see the bones inside of their face through the like depending on how you're looking at it. It might be a haunted mansion thing. Oh, I don't think so. I'm pretty, um, I'm pretty versed on the haunted mansion. You know the haunted mansion. You're, you're my Disney god. I know that you know these things. I just, it looks like she had, yeah, because it's so, it definitely looks like she's not around anymore. And he keeps seeing a vision of her corpse ghost in the corner. And that's what he drew out in the middle of the night. And that's what he handed to someone.

And they made it in watercolor on his back. That's what it looks like. I think it looks more like it's just done badly. I think, you know, Haley Bieber has very prominent cheekbones. And so does this tattoo. So I'm not sure if that's what's going. I mean, Jay Christ has some pretty... You're right.

Big up there. He's got some big in cheeks. Honestly, I can't wait to be, yeah, filler Christ. I want to go like Real Housewives Christ where he's got the big lips. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, sucking it out. Yeah.

It's like, man, because you want to look good when you're hanging up there. I think you don't want to be looking sweaty and flat. Jesus, but he looks like Jesse's new face from Secret Lives and Bourbon Wives and she's like, you guys. She's so sad about it. Natalie. I just kind of remembered my first. I'm still healing. So I just give me some time, but I think it's got to settle and go back to normal. It's really, it's just the kind of thing where I feel like she just kept going. And I think it's just like she doesn't, it's, it definitely like kind of seems. It is. It seems like it's like it's, you know, I'm not judging that she did it. It's just, I don't, I do feel bad at some point of just like you don't even look like you anymore. And I'm saying this because it seems like she. she's unhappy that she doesn't look like herself anymore.

But I know. It can become, oh, sorry, go ahead. No, what were you going to say? Just anything can become, if you, if getting facial stuff done or like, like cosmetic things done feels bad. Like, it should feel just like nice. And if you feel like you need to compulsively do it, that's probably an addiction and you shouldn't be doing it. Yeah, you should probably stop. And that's why Henry keeps telling everybody how brave.

I am because I haven't, I'm not dying my hair. And he just keeps saying, do you see how brave she is? Gray. Gray. She's brave for not doing it. And then Holden. And then Holden Gray. Whatever.

His full grain is beard. Yeah. But it's fine for them. All right. Then they just look more like Clooney, okay? Oh, yeah. Not me. Holden definitely looks like Cluny.

That's a, don't tell him I said that. I would. That wasn't coming in from me. But I do. Okay. I got it. I got to know. I know it's not coming out this coming week. It's coming out the following weekend. But I hate that I am excited to go see Wuthering Heights. Like, I hate that I'm excited because I know why everyone's upset about it. The problem is I love Charlie XX and it's a full Charlie XX soundtrack. And it's a sexy fuck movie. It'll be fun. It'll be fun. And everybody that's been anybody that's been seeing this movie that. like all of their friends that are going out to see it, everyone's just like,

gagabagabagabah, go, ba, guah, the only whole we have to talk about these quotes. We, oh, we're going to talk about the quote. They're so funny. They're so funny. And mind you, Jackie and I did not even remember what the controversy was about Wuthering Heights

because neither of us remember reading it. We didn't read it. Yeah, so this feels probably less, I bet, I bet Wuthering Heights heads are very upset. They're very upset. And we understand. We get it. It is not quite that.

They're not doing the story. Adam had to help us because we were talking about it and I was like, why was everyone so pissed off about Weathering Heights? I don't remember. And then we figured it out. And it is because, you know, the text does imply that Heathcliff has, they say, dark skin. And they imply that he's kind of like ethically ambiguous. There's no way that they use that phrase in the book. I don't think.

But they used dark skin in the book. They keep throwing around ethically, ethically ambiguous. but you know who's not ethnically ambiguous? Jacob Lordy. I think that big white man is definitely not. Like it's like you can't even pretend like he is. He's big-yous. He's big, Dan, Natalie.

He's pro-biguous. He's biguous. But so I, this, this, these quotes from the, you're proud of yourself. Live in it, celebrate it, Natalie. Don't be disappointed in what you said. So the, it's the director, right? Yeah, the director, Emerald Fennell, who did. Oh, yeah. And we love saltburn. And I cannot emphasize enough how I'm not trying to swing it on a chandelier and be like, do you need to do better? You know, I'm not even trying to do that. But this quote, I think the thing is, everyone who loves this book has such a personal connection to it. So you can only ever make the movie that you sort of imagine yourself when you read it. I don't know. I think I was focusing on the pseudo-masochistic elements of it. And I read this quote so many times. And I was like, so you're saying that when you read the book, you pictured a white person. And so you're saying that when you read the book, you pictured a white person. And so you're. And so you're. You're. You're. You

And so that's why she made it. That's it. That's, that's it. That's, I love it that she's saying it in this flowery. It's like where she's like, no, this is like, we're doing something different. It's like, no, you're right. When you were a teenager, you saw him as white. That's, that's it. And it is, I do think, I think it's a little funny that I do wonder if this came in from Emerald Fennell or if this was like her PR people.

because what Jacob Allorty says in it, which is so offhanded and you can tell that, like, he knows it as something about that. But if you look at Wuthering Heights, if you look at the poster for it, which I did not notice at first, there are quotations around Wuthering Heights. So it's Wuthering Heights.

It's Oweathering Heights. I feel like we should be saying it's Wuthering Heights. And get those air quotes up. And because Jacob Alleroyer. he was like, I mean, like, it's got the quotes around it, because it's like her thing. It's essentially what he said. It's like, oh, okay. Oh, so I see.

Someone in your team was like, ah, if you put quotations around it, you can make them as white as you want. Like, I feel like someone thought that they were the smartest person to exist in Hollywood because of it. Yeah. That, uh, it's just, why didn't you just hire a person to call it? So many beautiful people with dark skin, if that's how Heathcliff's Christmas. So many. Again, I can't even go to bat for one there are guys because I don't remember the book. I know.

And I'm not going to read it. It sounds like there's just text we could refer to. And I'm going to throw this out to both of you guys. I did look because I was like, should I like read this? Is this the kind of like, is it a sweeping romance? And looking into people like, nah. There's other ones. Go read another one.

I know I give English major, but I was not an English major. But my brother was. And I was an English major. My brother was an English major and he had a big Victorian novel era. If you talk to John about any Victorian novel, he will go in. So I should really ask him about this. But I just. Yeah, you're really.

So I, and I think, and I love Victorian novel heads. Like they really, they, it is such a wonderful, delightful little realm to, to immerse yourself in. But I just. Great special interests. Totally. And it's, but this is just one of those, like, I think that's, you know, there's this adorable overcorrection sometimes when people are like, well, I'm just trying to like do my art and my vision. But her, she's like, my efficient, it's just that they're all white. So, sorry, that's my art.

That phrase on its own wouldn't be bad. But if it's in relation to changing the, like, race or skin tone of a person, you can't really just go off of like, well, everyone sees it the way they want to see it. I saw it as well. Yeah. I don't, I don't know. Dude. Come on. That's just silly.

You didn't think you were going to get pushback for that? Like, what? Or like, if you want to make a movie with Jacob Allerty, that is a Victorian novel, there's a. certainly many others where you could have him be like a tall broody. Like I get that your thing is you make things with Jacob Allorty. And that's great. I love that. That's your thing.

Yeah. That's a great thing. You know, it is. I, so can I ask another thing aside from that? I saw the quote about the stone thing like that is similar to the, like basically, of course, with Saul burn, everybody remembers the tub scene, which I have find out. I'm not, I don't find that a sexual scene. I'm very grossed out by it.

Oh, no, it's weird. But the way that it's being phrased in the promotion, it's like, don't worry, you're going to get another sensual scene. It has something to do with a rock, just like the bathtub scene. I'm like, that, ugh. So you're just making me cringe. Like, I'm just thinking of body horror things happening. Yeah. What are you talking about?

It does sound like they're fucking a rock, humping a rock, fucking on a rock. You're going to watch her put that rock inside her. And then like, out. Wow. That doesn't make me feel tingly. Yeah. What if it's courts, Natalie? And then, ooh, it's like you can use, you can start wishing on it inside of you.

Yeah. Apparently, though, Margot Robbie's friends have seen Wuthergites and have been like, bitch, a bitch. So I mean, I'll see it. I'm going to see it. I'm going to watch it. I'm definitely a part of the problem. I know that I am. This movie was made for our generation.

We know the youngs don't want fuck movies, so we know this is being made for us. So, you know, I'm going to watch it. And I'm already upset with myself because I'm probably going to like it. You know, it's like, I feel like Bob Lerman's Romeo and Juliet was like, what if we like take this text and we envision it in this like modern way and there's like a bunch of people of color in it? And this is like, what if we take this text and we make it whiter? Yeah. Which is, you know, but the world's craving right now.

That's what we need. Yeah. Oh, yeah, that's what we mean. But it's, yeah, I mean, I think it's fun that Charlie X-X is doing the soundtrack. Like, I support the idea in general of, like, taking older texts and kind of, like, making them, like, you know, sexy and with new music. Like, I love that shit. I love, like, I love when they go into, like, time ambiguous eras and, like, weird, like, parallel universes. I think that can be really fun.

Oh, yeah. Totally. I mean, especially. Check out LPN Romantasy deep dives if you want to be talking about dimensions. the other show that Natalie and I do. All kinds of dimensions. All kinds. In the holes, out the holes, on the wings, around the wings.

Yeah, it just really depends on where you want your dimensions. But definitely check out LPN Deep Dives with me and Natalie Jean. And also, coming soon, we're going to have ourselves a monster fucker show over at the ripped bodice, February 25th, if you're in Los Angeles. Yeah. I know that we're going to be getting to the list soon. We are. I'm sure that Jackie will talk more about. the Grammys on second helping.

Sure. Oh, yeah, I'm going to. A little Grammy check in. I loved everything that Bad Bunny did. I loved his moment. Oh, yeah. I loved his speech. I know.

I loved the Spanish. Yes. I loved, there was certainly more speaking out at the Grammys than there was at the Golden Quote. A lot more outspoken people. A lot more breasts were outspoken as well. And yes, I'm talking about Chapel Rowan's outfit that were. And I will say not because.

And he's really looking. I'm not talking about Scrooge. And it's like, you can barely see those nipples. You barely see them nipples. He's really looking. I wasn't looking for her nipples. But Kara and I were looking at the picture yesterday because you can't see her nipples. So obviously, I think we deduced.

It's a prosthetic. It's a prosthetic over that has the nipples. Oh, so it's up on top. Natalie. If you look where, if you look, you can see where the like little makeup thing is. The prosthetic is somewhere around her collarbone and then comes up around her shoulder. It's all fake. Oh, that's cool.

I loved it. I thought it looked a fantastic. It was a really, it was a very cool fit. It is just, there's part of me that maybe it's just the old person annoyed of, not even the way that she, I understand, she stands up, like Chaparone, stands up for herself against photographers. I think that's all really wonderful. I think she's trying to stand up for other young people that are in the industry. I think that's really great.

It's just sometimes, man. It's like, so everybody's talking about this dress because her tits were out and the dress is being held up by nipple rings. And she then her response to everyone being like, the dress, the dress was just like, it's just a dress. I mean, like, why is it a palpable disdain for the entertainment industry that can rub some people the wrong way? I personally think it's kind of fun. It is funny, though, because no matter how they react. you knew she was going to be like either it's like if everyone was like oh my god she like no matter what she was going to and that kind of like it wasn't even that splashy my my just my bruswa like that

i was like oh come on come on you know it was like an interesting quote like at least be like yeah this is cool i mean this is my designer is this really cool i mean she's you know she's gonna chapel rown it i know and maybe it's because i'm never going to be cool and chill. Maybe that's just not ever how I'm going to be described. But like, I would be like, isn't it so cool? My breasts held it up. It's the look you can see right into my nipple. But the way I think that it sits is really beautiful because if you really look at it, like your boobs would not look like that if you're actually holding up a dress. Like it, yeah, if you really, you can tell it's a prosthetic and it does look like an art piece when you actually

look at it and see it. It's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it. It's not just her boobies are holding it. It is a whole structured dress. Like the whole prosthetic on the front is a part of it and everything and it's cool. I really enjoyed it. Yeah, this is more insight than I had into it. I was just like, the tits are holding it up. So thank you.

You see how tits are? Whoa. Ouchy. That was the full extent of my insight. Ouchy, wouchy. Yeah, I mean, it would be pulling. Your boobs would be looking all kind of funky and stuff if they were being dragged down by the dress. Yes.

I just, my husband had, uh, very briefly, I think I can say this on the show. Long before I met him, he was a young man, got nipple rings. And just still remembers, he does not have them anymore because he remembers with such visceral pain how he said he got onto the, like a crowded New York City subway. And he said it was so painful that he developed like a fear of being around other people because he was worried that somebody would bump him. And so he did not, he could not hack the nip ring. and they did not last, but that was what I was thinking when I said to Apple Rone. Man, I tell you, you just have to have one friend get their nipple ring caught on a crocheted

blanket and have it rip. You just have to have the one. And then you'll never want nipple ring. Like, I remember seeing it and I'll never, that's my personal never forget. And I was like, I guess I can't never even think about getting nipple rings. I never did the nip rings, but I had an industrial in my ear, which is like it, barbell that goes through two piercings. That got caught on a wig.

That didn't feel good. Oh no, you wear so many wigs. I mean, even back in the, I mean, this was fucking 2003 or whatever. Yeah, now it's professional wigs. Back then, they were just fun wigs. They were just, it was for a dance. It was for a ballet. It was for a performance.

Oh. But also, I had a Lebray and a tongue barbell and they erode your gums, children. So if you have soft gums and very bad teeth, Don't do that because now the nerves are exposed around my front bottom teeth. Fun. It's excruciating when I go to the dent. Fun. Have you toughened up your gums?

You've been like, your pussy gums. You got to get better. I tried, and they just recede further away. They shrink. Yeah. I'm trying to nurture them now. You got to nurture. I'm nurture those teeth, everybody.

Fradgile. Nurture those teeth and make sure that your piercings are away from anything that will rip them out of your delicate skin. But wow, now that we're talking about delicate skin, it's time for the list. Oh, who's on the list? It's me.

Jackie, got to have that list. These are just, it's just ten facts that are going to blow your minds, guys. Why just facts? Oh, it's just facts. It's just facts. Whether you want them or not, it's just facts. Actually, I was inspired to choose this list

because we found out in the beginning of our Desperate Housewives watch-along that Desperate Housewives and the success of it is why we have real Housewives at all, because people were so interested in it was such a hit. But did you know that the success of Beverly Hills 902100 inspired MTV to create the real world? And apparently, Beverly Hills 9210 proved to networks just how compelling young people's real-life drama could be, and that audiences, especially teens and young adults, would tune in weekly to watch friendships, romances, and conflicts play out over time. So essentially this MTV executive,

who'd been working on writing a script for a soap opera and making that kind of edgy soap material eventually killed that project and pitched the real world instead, which was a lot cheaper to make? Yeah, it's basically, what if it's a soap opera, but you don't have to pay anybody. You have to pay anybody. And then that has gone.

on for now 25 years of just like a trend of you don't got to pay them you just go on this they go on there and they're just going to be thankful that you chose them wow that's fascinating and jacky great connection between like what was same with like desperate housewives being the the the kind of proof of concept of like all these all these bitches at home have a lot to say but for real housewives you know that they did it with teens 9-0-2-0 that's fascinating yeah that makes sense. Now, this, I don't know if this is interesting to anyone outside of LA, but Century City, which is a neighborhood in L.A., exists because the 1963 film Cleopatra became one of the most expensive movie productions in Hollywood history. The movie's budget exploded due to delays,

rewrites Elizabeth Taylor falling ill, high production costs, and having to relocate the entire film from London, England, to Rome, Italy. Because of it, 20th Century Fox, which finally, the film nearly went bankrupt trying to complete it. To stay afloat, the studio was forced to sell off a large portion of its LA backlot, over 260 acres. That land was purchased by developers and eventually transformed into what is now Century City. The neighborhood's office, towers, shopping centers, and condos literally sit on what used to be Fox's studio property. So they had 260 acres of studio in the middle of L.A.

I'd never thought about it. It's like, it makes sense there was so much space here. And then they just raised it and you're like, what if we put a whole city right now? Whole neighborhood. Wow.

I just find that fascinating. Yeah, that was a different Hollywood used to be like majestic, weird, fucked up. Not that it was better at the time, but there were like, big productions like that that were really cool in my opinion, but, you know, also it was a bunch of exploitation and everything happening.

Yeah, and they're giving them upers. They're giving them downers. And now you got to pay for them. Like this is, like that's why, I mean, at least back in Hollywood, at least Judy Garland didn't have to pay for her addiction. You know, she was being given it professional. Involuntarily. Involuntarily. Yeah. She had to pay, but not with money. She was out there. She was, she was tweeting. She was dancing around. Tell you what, she was moving them feet. But Jennifer Anderson wasn't moving that hair because Jennifer Anderson hated her iconic the Rachel haircut, which apparently, I didn't even realize, was really only around for not that long. She felt that it was the ugliest haircut she had ever seen. And the reason why it wasn't around for very long was because she hated it so much. And it took off and exploded and she was upset because that meant that she would have to keep getting her haircut. And she didn't like it. I mean, what's really, uh, uh, it's, what's the like about it?

It's choppy. It's tough. It's piecy. And but that, it was back then, man, remember how chunky? Everybody used to like everything with their hairs. Chonky highlights. Chonky, like everything was chump. It's a very, it's extremely Caucasian.

I will say that. Oh, yeah. It's, I remember this because we were in middle school and I do remember like, you know, it was like a time that I was trying to like figure out what was normal. a normal way to look, you know? And so I remember just like being like at the haircutter, just like agonizing like, I don't know. What do girls do with their hair?

And I remember her haircut coming up and be like, no one looks like that. No. No one can do that. Like it looks nice at her, but like, what is this? I can't do this. Even what she said, she was like, it was completely, she's like, I could not style it unless I had someone to do it for me. And if not, my hair looked like shit.

Yeah. And so, but she also thought it looked like shit, even when it was styled. So, you know? I just, I just, I do love the idea of just trying to figure out like what you're supposed to do and then giving you a business woman's hair. Yeah. Oh my God.

A Rachel haircut on a middle school. Yeah. A 30-year-old woman's haircut on a 12-year-old non-pinerary person who looks a lot like McCulley. Is this what it is? I don't know. Do you want to be my friend now? Anybody?

Middle school is the worst. for everyone. I'm going to keep watching tap dancing videos. But did you know that Stevie Nix and Prince became good friends because of her 1983 song, Stand Back, Stand Back! Stand Back was written after Stevie Nix heard Prince's Little Red Colvette on the radio in 1983 while in the car on the way to Santa Barbara for her honeymoon and her then-husband Kim Anderson. She was struck by its driving drum machine beat and immediately started imagining

a song of her own built on it. Nix even made her husband pull over so that she could buy a tape recorder and begin working on it through her honeymoon. So when she returned to L.A., she immediately wanted to record it. She'd only met Prince once and she had no contact info for him. So she called everyone she could to try and find his number and eventually she got his number. She called Prince on the told him about the song, he happened to be in L.A. So Nix asked him if he could come down to the studio. And he agreed, arriving 20 minutes later. While there, he played synthesizer piano parts that helped shape the song's driving pulsing sound.

Prince chose not to officially be credited as a performer, but he did accept a songwriting credit that Nix offered him because of the clear musical connection. And that is how they began their great friendship. I feel like that's a fun, like, respect of the two of them from very different, you know, very different lands that I feel like Prince wouldn't do that for just anybody. And it makes me like Prince more that he would do it for Stevie Nex. Yeah, I like that. Because he's kind of famously, like, not easy to work with. Yeah.

Yeah. That's like that, you know. He's got a few problems there. He's got some problems. You know what? You know, seems like. Seems like not problems with tinkling on those ivories, I tell you. No, definitely not.

This has nothing to do with celebrities, but I thought it was interesting that the name Bluetooth comes from King Harold Bluetooth Gormson, a 10th century Scandinavian ruler. You'd think, why is this not? Why is this interesting? But Gormson was known for uniting Denmark and Norway, which appealed to engineers working on a new wireless standard in the 90s because their goal was to create a technology that would unite different devices.

So they started calling it Bluetooth as a code name before the technology was released and then it stuck. And that's why it's called a Bluetooth. Wow. Yeah. Some history nerd. It's on this list.

It's on the list. It has to be real. That's true. Facts. It definitely doesn't, it sounds like something an AI slot machine would make up.

But I believe you. And so he was a king, like a modern king. 10th century. Not modern. Wait, wait. What does that to do? Oh, just because of historically something he did. United Denmark and Norway.

Just like your headphones unite with your phone. The different devices. Yeah. Yeah, right? So wait, is that a happy sigh that you just did? Is that a satisfied sigh of learning? It's the satisfying. Why?

By learning. Wait, I only have more questions. What's your question? What's your question? His name is, his last name was Bluetooth? His middle name is Bluetooth. His middle name is Bluetooth. Why?

Maybe I need a Bluetooth on it. Why is it named? And it wouldn't be Bluetooth in his native language, right? That's a good. See, that is not a question. That's probably the bigger question and probably why maybe this isn't true. definitely did not fact check it at all. There's a Wikipedia for Harold

Bluetooth Garmson. Blue, and he appears to be real. So, never question the list again. There you go. Don't look any further into it. It is all real. We know we are historic, accurate here on their show.

Just why people tune in. That's why they tune in. Yes, they come for back. Yes. Yes, he was a Viking, apparently. Wow. 10th century, whoa! It's our technology. That is, you know, I was going to say... Oh, no, a tooth got so blue. Probably should have been taken out.

Last but not least, George Lucas hated and went ape shit over Harrison Ford's iconic... I know. Adlib in the Empire Strikes Back. Apparently he was supposed to say I love you too. And I didn't know that. As someone that is, I am not a Star Wars person. Apparently he was supposed to say I love you too. And you were...

What? bonded with, I know instead. Poor writing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think it, you're right. I think it is, it is a more interesting choice for him to say I know rather than I love you too. We have tea towels in my house that have one of them as Hans as Leia saying, I love you,

and the other has Hans saying, I know. It is like this iconic moment that would be totally forgettable if it was just I love you, I love you too. That's so funny that George Lucas didn't like it. George Lucas. so went to the mattresses about it that he agreed to do two different test screenings, one with the I know in it and one with I Love You Two, and you know which one won in the end. Wow. I love that George Lucas was like, I will die on this hill. And everyone's like, nah, you're not. No, this is not where you're going to die on.

Not a Star Wars affisciano, but I do know enough to know that it's much more of that character to be arrogant. it. Right. Of course. It makes sense. Like, even I have asked, and I've seen now because I've unfortunately asked this question of my husband, I have now seen multiple YouTube videos explaining like how

like the remasterings and how over time it destroyed like what originally and it had something, there was something about Han shoot somebody in like the jiz scene when they're all playing jizz. And I only, the only, the only

other thing I know about Star Wars is that they call all the music that they play Jiz instead of jazz because it's space jazz. They call it Jiz instead. And while they're playing Jiz and then something about he's shot first and people like, you would shoot first. Shot first. Yeah, there's a lot of debate about that. Something shot first. And I needed to tell you guys that story. I couldn't stop myself from saying. A lot of nerds are screaming in their cars right now, Jackie. I just need to know how upset you just made a lot of people. And I want to say, I don't hear you and I don't see you. And Gideon's not home So luckily he can't hear you or see you

He's not screaming either But he also has a shirt that says Hanshot first But this is like a textual debate So I think He's got to keep naming The T towels The shirts

He says he have jammies Do we have tapestries Like how like what else are we talking about here? We have tapestries Yes we have jammies We also have a shirt that says Freddy Zelda with lightsabers That says I am their father

Thank you very much I got that father That is very cute I got that for Father's Day. You guys got to go to the Star Wars land at some point. I know. Check it out. It's great.

I know. I don't even, I don't care about Star Wars and it's really fun to go to. Yeah. No, I would do that. Rise of the Resistance ride is literally one of the best rides that's ever been. I do think you have to wait until your children are old enough to wait in line for hours,

which will be in 15 years when they're in college. Is that when they're going to be able to wait in the line? No, no. Because I'm too young to wait in the line. They have the virtual line. You can do virtual line. Oh, they got a virtual line. Yeah.

I feel like that was my problem, though. Something like that, I'd be like, I don't trust it. I don't trust it. The line's not going to work. The line's going to go. If there's a reason, if I can find a way to be anxious about it, I'll be anxious about it. Sorry, I also have this tab up. This is apropos of only because we said the name Bos Lerman earlier, and it did remind me

that Boslerman is putting out this, like, it's called Epic Elvis Presley in concert, where he remastered an actual old Elvis Presley concert. And while I'm saying this and it does sound like, oh, you would never want to see this, the trailer looks fucking cool. It just seems like a remastered put together Elvis concert that like from his Vegas residency that nobody's ever seen. And he like lermined on it. And I'll go wherever Lerman goes.

I'm a Lerman. as the cardal don't show. As long as we're not going to hang it. Don't go on in there. I'm going to be like, I'm going on. He's got a shirtless John Linguishama being hot in it? Oh, God, I wish. He's got the spurs.

Oh, my God. John Linguamma, die. All right. I'm a lerminator. That's your list for you. Okay. I'm done with the list. All right.

Well, in that case, that's great news because I couldn't see a list anyway, because I think I'm going. Blind. Items. Ah, we can't see them. Again, I cannot emphasize enough that it was swimming through a dark pool in the blinds after the news drop this weekend. I don't know why Epstein's in there. He should get out of there.

Epstein, I want this to be about celebrities. And also, I don't want any more blind information about Epstein. I'd like it all out in the open. Yeah, at this point, it's all blind items. Yes, I don't want it blind. Put a light on it. And yeah, all the people did after the Grammys was do a lot of drugs. And, you know, that's fine.

got no problem with that. Good. Good for them. This is a Grammy blind number one. As of about midnight, this one-named singer still hadn't made an appearance at the party being thrown using her name. She could have shown up after that, but at midnight, most people began leaving. So it sounds like there was a party in her honor that she did not arrive to. One-named singer.

A one-name singer. We love her. Charlie? No, older. Bionzi? Older. well no we don't love madonna yeah that's my

my clue it's share yeah yeah yeah yeah isn't that fun she ain't gonna show what are you talking about throw my ass a party I'm fucking showing up she's got a fucking 29 year old

to fuck what are you talking about she got other things to do she got shit to do she doesn't need to go to the Grammys my god like she's been there done that we're talking about well just also like not not

for nothing, but she's been revered and honored for like 50 years. So she's like, well, okay, thank you. I guess. Yeah, oh, the 2026 Grammys, thanks for throwing a party in my name. Have fun. Of course, I'm not feeling after midnight. But also, it's the coolest most diva thing that you could do is to, like, not show up to the party that's named after you.

100%. So that's nice. Yeah. Grammy Blind number two. Everyone was whispering the newly married foreign born singer is pregnant. I really hope not because her partying is out of control. Newly married. No.

Very newly married. Katie didn't marry the Canadian guy. Canadian Prime Minister? No. No, no, no. Not yet. I mean, I'm just a Canadian guy meant the Prime Minister of Canada. I don't think he, right?

Formerly. Yeah, now he's just a guy. Now he's just a guy that did blackface. I think we could even call him a disgraced former Prime Minister. I feel like, but it was not, let me zone in. All right.

You've been, might be pregnant, newly, wait, about the headline I was talking about earlier, Charlie, wait, I didn't, I already said Charlie. Is it Charlie?

It's Charlie. You said Charlie about the first item. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And this was the headline that I didn't bring up that I brought up to you guys before we started recording, which was Jason Bateman told Charlie XX, that she might change your mind about not wanting kids when she finds somebody,

even though currently married. It's very funny to say to a married person. That is just hilarious. It's a very, it's a very misogynistic trope to think, oh, women, as soon as they find the man of their dreams are going to want to have a baby. But even then, it's like I want to really be like so annoyed with Jason Bateman, but I even see like in it, I get that Jason Bateman was like,

because I definitely didn't want kids until I met my wife who really wanted kids. and then I changed my mind. And because he's like, I wanted to have kids with her. So it's like, I get that. But you do understand that that's completely different for Charlie than it is for you. Right. It's like you do get. Like, I feel like he was trying to be like, so like just like me. It's like, no, man.

Like you were too busy being really successful. So you weren't thinking about nothing in somebody and having somebody else have your children. So it's, yeah, that makes more sense. I've been on both sides. this. I've been the young person who didn't want kids and was quite sure about not wanting kids and then people would tell you, you'll change your mind. And I did end up changing my mind, but never on earth would I ever tell anyone else that they'll change their mind because it's just if they do, they do. If they don't, they don't. It's none of my business. But I do think just telling

a married person that you will change your mind when you find someone is so funny. Especially with her absolute response was just like, actually, I don't want to have kids is what she said in and just kind of shut it down. She's also fucking Charlie XX right now. She's the height of her career. Like it's, I mean, if you want to have kids, you know, Millie Bobby Brown's having kids, sure. But like, if you, like, you might be busy right now because you're Charlie XEX. She'll on top of her fucking game.

And maybe she just doesn't want children. Maybe she doesn't want. And it's all good. Yeah. Yeah. That's fine too. That's completely fun. It doesn't have to be, it should be a thing.

I think with any of that stuff, like any finite like, oh, well, you're going to do this, or you're going to want to do this or you're going to regret this. is people projecting utterly all the time. And I really hate when people do that to younger people and I try to never do that. Because there is no, this is how it's going to be. And I think sometimes also women get into the habit of that and telling the younger women like what shit's going to come for them.

It's like, don't, don't. You don't know what their lives are going to be. They might, not everything is this like perfect ordered thing that you want it to be. Whatever. I'm going out of tangent. Yeah. No, it is this is a lot of it. I get it. I just, there's so many.

if I had a chance to talk to Charlie XX, there's so many things I would want to talk to her about. Her family planning is not one of them, Jason Dayton. Why are we talking about this? I mean, it's such a, like a, again, I don't think he's being misogynistic. I think it's just so ingrained in people to do that. It's the same thing with stupid that Shalamey commentary he was making about,

I don't know what it's, it seems like such a waste of life if you're not, did it with having kids. Making art and imagine. because like, we're supposed to be out. He, man. You know what he said about kids, right? Oh, God, no, what?

Oh, you didn't hear about what his statement on children? Oh, no. Let me guess he loves him. Let me guess he loves him and he support, any supports. No, he said, you can probably pull it up, but it was like, we were taught, me and my friend were talking to, like, this famous actor, and he doesn't have kids.

And I was just thinking, how sad of a life that must be. Like, that's our purpose here. He calls a child-free life. Bleak. Did we talk about this, Jackie? We must have because it's fucking annoying. That is so obnoxious. A man with no children saying that is hilarious.

So annoying. And also his life is not bleak. His life is currently pretty great. So like I think you're fine. Yeah, but I think that he, oh, I think that also part of this is because he's dating Kylie. Of course, he has, yeah. So he has, like, so, oh, you know. So he can just roll in and be like completely apparent when he wants to be.

Exactly. And he can be a step parent when he wants to be. And have endless resources at his fingertips. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. This is, um, yeah, that's giving. I spent an hour with somebody with the child and I feel moved now. Now I'm an expert on child raising. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All right.

Well, he has made me. Pretty mad. Yeah. Yeah. That's coming back to me. reminding us. Yeah, no, it is. I think it was one of those ones

that we had had in the article list, but we were so just like, I can't even. Yeah. When it came up, that was like, I fucking can't do with this. Yeah.

The second. Okay, blind number three. This messy singer was probably the nicest to fans that she encountered, not just photos, but also taking time to talk to each one.

This is a nice blind. She was nice. You say messy? Messy. Oh, then it's, then it's Moa Young? Yeah. She just had a really good time.

Man, can we just throw it out there? We've brought up Lola Young on this show before. Lola Young is a young artist. I really love the album that she dropped last year. Loved it, loved it. And like a month after she dropped the album, she had whatever she was going on with like the mixture of her personal life as well as her exploding and her star rising,

it was very bad for her mental health. And she was having some issues on stage. and then she decided to take a break from all of it. And I remember MJ and I both saying, like, I really hope she comes back because I really do like her. I like her music a lot. And not only is she starting to come back around

and people, it's like, people have not forgotten about her. She won a Grammy. I'm so, I was, she was so surprised that she won the Grammy. You know, it's one of those that I'm like, I wish her the best. I hope that she keeps. chugging on. I hope that like this I hope that break was what was

good for her and that she's in a better place now and that it's not something she jumps back into when she's not ready. You know, it's like I hope that I just wish her the best and good for her though. I'm so glad that she loves to take pictures with people and it's just for the kind of person who's like a mid-sized person for people to be like oh my God she's got her belly out brave.

And it's like, wow, it's brave if you know, your belly out. It's like, wow, guys, 2026, huh? Yeah, yeah. And we're still talking about a belly. Hashtag brave for existing in public. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Wow.

They allow her to sing and be a regular person. What? Yeah, but I thought that was nice that, like I said, all the other blinds just about all the coke. And it's like, Lily Young had a fantastic time with fans. And it's like, wow, good for her. That's wonderful. Good for her. And now I can see again.

Welcome back. Thank you. Welcome back to the land of the seeing, M.G. But all are you going to be in the land of the eating, M.G? I will. Natalie, sitting next to you makes me want to do stupid character voices. Oh, okay. I didn't know what was coming.

Yeah. It makes you want to fuck out you. You know, it would be nice if you inspired me, though, too, like, if you wanted to start inspiring me to do, you know, things that maybe you should be like my bad girl. Natalie, you should be my Gia. Like from Full House, yeah. I think she'd be. Gia from the movie where she dies of each.

No. Spoiler! Spoiler for the movie Gia from the late 80s. Maybe I'm just thinking about that movie a lot because she's very attractive in it. Yeah. I mean, you can be that Gia if you want to, but let's, we won't play the end of it.

I'll be your Gia from the full house. Gia from full house. Okay, but grown up and she's different. But it's time for Jackie Snackies. I've been a snackie girl. Snacky. I've been a snackie girl. Snacky.

I've been a snacky girl. Snacky. I've been a snackie. Snacky. Is somebody going to eat those chips? Is somebody going to dip those dips? Is somebody going to try those candies? I got seminar.

They say I'm a snack lead. Natalie? Yeah. It's time. I'm from the wrong side of the tracks and I don't have a dad. Oh my God. I can't wait for us. No bra.

Gia. Is that you? Yeah, and I'm scared. I don't care about, give me any snack. I'll eat it. That's not true. No, we know that that's not true. But Gia wasn't,

she was just smoking cigarettes. Yeah, she was smoking a lot of cigarettes. Well, I hope you're not, because you might not be able to taste these cookie dough flavor cream Oreos. So we've got the brand new limited edition of Oreos. Here's the thing, Natalie. I was, I purchased these because I'm excited. You go.

You guys know, here are Jackie Snackies. I really am. I'm a fan of a lot of the new Oreo flavors that they got coming out. I think that whatever science they got going on, they're really honing in. But what does upset me is that on the bottom of it, it says chaco chip flavored cookie, cookie dough flavor cream, artificially flavored with chaco chip inclusions. Okay, so if we could just I want everyone to know We understand what you mean

When you say chaco chip We understand there's no real chocolate in it And we understand that you're trying to cover your ass Yeah, I'm poignant. I wish everyone can see it I'm pointing at the Orioles right now How's it not real chocolate? It's chaco.

It's chaco chip, Natalie. So there's no cocoa in it? I guess there's no cocoa because it's not chocolate's chaco. Chaco chip flavor cookie. It's chocolate chip flavored. There's not a chip to be found in it. And also, that's, I think a lot of like, have you ever had like chocolate chip teddy grams?

They're also chocolate chip flavored. I know what this flavor is. Why? Is it that expensive to use cocoa? But also, MJ, are they chocolate chip flavored or are they choco chip flavored? I feel that this is intentional marketing and it infuriates me. And the phrase chaco chip inclusions makes me what? Too, it's blow. Like that, you're lying.

These are all lies. This is all faking. It's all lies. And yet here we are. We're going to be eating the cookie dough flavor cream orio. It's going to taste good. Yeah. All right, let's see.

Because I love cookie dough flavor. I also love cookie dough flavor. Okay, it smells like, it smells like a cookie dough. We're looking at like a golden cookie. Technically, it's a cookie flavored cookie. It's a cookie flavor. This, okay, well, let's find out how much of a cookie-flavored cookie. It is.

It smells like an Oreo. It smells like an Oreo. It doesn't really smell too much like cookie dough. Hmm. Okay. I just had the... It's going to be great. I had the crunchy part first.

I'm going to taste the dough now. This is the most... Yeah, I got a cookie that tastes like a cookie that I've ever eaten. This is... You know what's weird? Is that the cream tastes like nilla wafers for some reason? Yeah. Is it vanilla?

Is there too much? Chinilla in the Chaco Chip inclusions? Because I'm going to tell you, MJ, I'm not getting the chip section of it. No, it's like, it's crunchy almost the way you like would crunch on sugar granules. And also the thing about chocolate chip cookie dough is that there's a salt element to it that makes it good. And that is that is missing utterly from us. These are far too sweet. Yeah.

They're very sweet. And you know? Yeah, yeah. There's no salt in here. You know, it is, it does taste like a cookie-flavored cookie, and it is deliciously sweet. And if you like very sweet cookies, this will be your jams. But if you're looking for a cookie dough, this ain't it.

It's not gross. It's not gross. It's not gross, but I do know if I ate more than three of these, I would feel it for the next two days. Like, I feel like this. And I say this. as if I'm not going to do that. Like, I'm definitely going to do that.

I'm going to eat. This is definitely, I'm not going to leave this here. I'm not sharing this to other people. I am going to bring this home, and I'm probably going to eat them. But they're not my favorite. Mm-mm. And I don't think the flavor is success. It really, wow, Oreos, and I'm looking at you, whoever came up with the brilliant idea of saying chaco chip inclusions, I'm looking at you.

You single-handedly, let us down. I don't even know. I still don't know what that means after eating the cookie. What does that mean? Where are the inclusions? Like, why do you have to say chocolate chip inclusions? Like, what level of fake is it that you can't even just say chaco chip? I don't know.

I'm confused a little bit. I'm very confused. I'm confused by the cookie. I'm sad that it is not as good as I wanted it to be. Compared to the cookie, the Thanksgiving cookies we had last time, it's much better than that. Oh, my God, I forgot. I gave you Oreas last night. I don't know if you guys have had the chocolate chip teddy

gram flavors, but that's what I'm picturing. It's a very specific type of kind of cloying fake chocolate. Very much so. You're right. It is definitely giving those teddy grams because I have eaten quite a few teddy grams in my name. I do. I'll still.

I'll throw back. Yeah, I'm pretty cool. I like especially, surprisingly, the honey ones. Me? Honey grams. But yet, they're all right. They, you know, they really did the trick. It's so funny now, if you go back and eat what we ate when we were children, it's just like, man, they really do snacks differently than they used to, huh?

We really, it was just like, yeah, it tastes like cardboard and you're going to like it. Yeah. You will like the cardboard that you will eat. Yes. They're still making food out of poisons. It's just different ones. Yeah, they're just different poisons now. But speaking of poison, I have some food to try as well.

Ooh. And it probably has a lot of... Well, it probably has a lot of red dye in it. But that's... Should we cue the... Yeah, my see. Something new. It might blow my mind.

Hello, spicy. Hello, crunch. It's MJ's. My mama, mitty munch. Hello, Dill. You're my wild thrill. It's Mammes. Mama, mama.

Minut munt. Minut mons. Minut mons. I thought RFK Jr. saved us from red dyeing. Oh. Not these. Not these red hot ripples. I'm actually very excited about this.

Whoa. Red hot ripples. Mind you, these are just from the bodega downstairs, but they appear to be old Vienna of St. Louis chips. Red hot ripplets, St. Louis-style hot sauce flavored. I love it when bodegas get random shit that falls off the back of a truck and they're like, I don't know. I'll sell it. I don't know. A hundred percent.

Get out of here. Why are these St. Louis style? St. Louis chips? Like how they, it's like, I feel like it's like, I have so many lefties in the back. Put them in front, put a quarter on it. Yeah. Yeah. And they are very red.

Make them on ripples. Yeah. Red hot ripples. They're very red and they smell quite strong. And I know I should be excited. This, in theory, is an artisanal chip. It's just such a mystery chip. Any St. Louis people out there, have you ever heard of this?

Red hot ripples. I've never heard of this chip. It's really. Is the chip? rippled. Oh, yeah. Is it like a ruffled chip? You bet it is.

Oh, I bet they can't say ruffles. And they were like, all right, how do you explain this chip if you can't legally say ruffles? Ripples? You got it? Crimp? Yeah, cramp chip. Crimp chip. And then they're like, oh, that's giving shrimp, Connells.

This is interesting. St. Louis, people, I need you to sound off. Is this what? Ripples rise up. Ripples rise up. What does St. Louis style hot sauce mean? because I don't have the vocabulary to describe what I'm experiencing it. It's good.

It's not bad. It's spicy. It doesn't. Is it sweet? It's kind of like a smoky, like maybe kind of like a almost like a little bit barbecue-y style. It is. So that is what a St. Louis-style hot sauce is a uniquely sweet, spicy, tangy, slightly smoky sauce, often blending elements of barbecue sauce with heat. Wow.

Look at me. I don't know. Yeah. Yeah, you did it. Oh my God. Look at us snack influencers. Oh, my God, getting our tongues in that action. They're good.

They're good. I'll say that if you find a random bag of St. Louis potato chips in your bodega or corner store or wherever you get your chips, give them a try. I like it. Also, you can just get which red hot ripples. It's not the chip. It's the sauce. red hot ripples old vienna of st louis red hot ripplets sauce it is based on the sauce they're not based on the chip and i'm glad that we're getting to the bottom of this well how do you know that

the chips are not flat then well that was just a guess that was just i mean that's just i hope they're not because it holds more flavor dust but i wow there's local ambassadors of i would be an ambassador I want to be an ambassador of old Vienna of St. Louis. You didn't even know what it was 30 seconds. Yeah, but now I want to be an ambassador of it. There's a whole Reddit thread. Where to buy Red Hat ripples in New York City? Reddit user, I can tell you.

Oh, my God, you can go online. Don't give out your address. Yeah, you can buy it, but just via chips. You can suck it off the chips. And, you know, then it's like you got the sauce. You tell me I shouldn't go on Reddit and give out my address, Natalie. Why? This person needs their ripples.

Come on. I know. I know. I'm being a bummer. Ooh, whoa. You online, you can buy the red hot ripplets chips, but also you can get cheesy red hot ripplets chips. Yeah, I'm looking at those. And I bet.

Ooh. I'll bet those are real good. Natalie, they've got cheese-flavored popcorn. Whoa. That's what I... Maybe not cheese flavored, but you like popcorn. I eat a lot of popcorn every day, that's for sure. You know, and it's one of the, I think the funniest things is that one of the first things my mom found out about you is that you like popcorn.

So every time we go visit my mom, my mom will go to Costco and buy the skinny pop bags and half the size of me. And we'll be in town for two and a half days. And my mom will be, is this enough popcorn? And she'll come out with like seven of the bags for Natalie. And it's just like, no. No, it's not. Yeah, Natalie hits them out of her hand. And she's like, never enough.

Not enough. That's Natalie when she's home. Are you like a microwave popcorn, girlie? Or like a bag popcorn? I used to be, I would, I should get one again. I loved an air popper so much. I used to make it like literally every day and I have it. I usually, it's usually a bag for me now at this point.

But I should get another air popper. Yeah, you should. Live that big popcorn lifestyle, Natalie. And thank you, Natalie, for so much, for so much. Thank you, Natalie for so much. You've done so much. You've done so much. Thank you, Natalie.

Thank you for acknowledging it. Oh, my God. Natalie, thank you. you for coming on to page seven and thank you for hanging out with us and thank you for even though you know we see each other and we talk at each other all the time for still coming onto the show and talking to me here too but also i don't get to hang with mj very often yeah exactly i love you i love you coming by for that exact reason hell yeah and thank you so much natalie now natalie we are going to be doing a lot of fun stuff over you can find more of natalie lpn romantacy deep dives

You can find that at YouTube.com slash at LPN Romanticy, and there are full videos of every episode up every week. Also, give Romanticy Deep Dives on Instagram and TikTok follow because we are putting a lot more clips out there. And, you know, I tell you, every time we record, I go into a fugue state. I never remember what we've said. And then I watch these clips, and I'm like, I don't remember any of that. And so check that out if you're curious as to where Natalie and I's brain goes. But also, Natalie, you're working your ass off on other stuff too. Well, I have my other show someplace underneath.

And we are making video essays right now between seasons, which has been, I don't want to say good because it sucks. Whatever we're talking. We have one that's coming out about ice. Fuck ice. Just so earlier. It's not a pro. Oh, yeah. I know, no, no.

Yeah. I hope they would assume that. They would, yeah. We're doing a, I'm doing an excruciatingly deep dive into the Epstein stuff. And it's making me a little bit crazy. I bet it is. Our entire society is fueled by. But don't worry.

When I say monster fucker's show, it has nothing to do with Epstein. Our show has nothing to do with any. of that. That's a different kind of monster. Those monsters are against all of that. Yes, this is it. But I will say the show that we will be doing on February 25th of the Ripped Baudis, we will be donating all 100% of proceeds will be donated because the show is called Monsters Against Ice.

So we will be given 100% of what we get. And also, part of that will be a voucher for you to buy a book at the Ripped Baudits. If you are encouraged by what we're screaming at you. about, which is monster fucking books. And thank you so much, Natalie, for hanging with us. Where else can we find you? On all of it, I'm The Natty Jean, and also Spun has got stuff going on YouTube and Instagram and all that shit.

So someplace underneath and the Nutty Jean. Love it. And my name is Jackie Sbrowski. You can follow me on Instagram at Jack That Worm. And you can come hang out, oh my gosh, February 12th, live, live, live, live. It's a bitch-a-thon. It's a Valentine's. It's a Bench-A-L-Line's.

It's a Valentine's Bitch-A-thon. And while, no, I may not have confirmed yet the other side of you, Natalie, I have confirmed Natalie. And Natalie is going to be joining us on the live Valentine's Bich-A-thon February 12th from 4 to 7 p.m. Pacific Standard Time, 7 to 10 p.m. Eastern Standard Time. And, of course, I will be there with my co-host, Kara. But also, we are going to be joined by our husbands.

So it's going to be a family affair. Not a hostage situation. Not a hostage situation. And Jeff and Jared are friends. And it was funny because Jeff was like, I am doing this while Jared is doing this. Right. I said, yes, you're going to be doing it at the same time. So come give us some support, guys, and get your screams out.

And also, as always, come hang out with us over on the page seven, Patreon. Patreon. Patreon.com slash page seven podcast. We've got your Jackie's book club on Mondays. We're ripping through book four of Sookie Stackhouse. We've got buffies on Tuesdays. We are ripping through Zun Six of Buffies. And Wednesdays now, we are calling it the Wisterialaniacs,

where we are doing a watch-along of Desperate Housewives. And of course, Thursdays you get page seven. Fridays you get second helpings. MJ? We love you guys so much. Thank you for your emails. Page 7 podcast at gmail.com. We love hearing from you.

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