Page 7 - Flirting At A Funeral w/ Seena Ghaznavi

Episode Date: August 13, 2026

This week on Page 7 we're joined by Seena Ghaznavi to goss' 'bout the weekend Jackie had at "Midsummer Scream" as Summerween is uponst us! Not to mention Brad Pitt confessin' to no longer bein' on the wagon, 'cause he toooootally knows his limits now (not when he was abusing Angelina and the kids, tho). He's also confessin' that he's been suicidal, WHO'D OF GUESSED. Jackie and MJ take some ACCOUNTABLITY when it comes to the title mixup from last week. Brooklyn Beckham is cookin' with sea water and Pennzoil, plus North West didn't JUST cancel the tour due to low ticket sales! They're recyclin' reality ideas and Harry Jowsey is caught in the middle. 42:35 - Then we got THE LIST of Celebrities Who Avoid SOCIAL MEDIA! 56:26 - Finally it's time for BLINDZ! Then we got some JACKIE'S SNACKIE'S @ 01:15:44 with an MJ's Minute Munchies @ 01:24:04 until @ 01:29:20  , PLUS SO MUCH MOOOOOOOOOOOORE!  Want even more Page 7? Support us on Patreon! Patreon.com/Page7Podcast Subscribe to SiriusXM Podcasts+ to listen to new episodes of Page 7 ad-free.Start a free trial now on Apple Podcasts or by visiting siriusxm.com/podcastsplus. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Step right up, step right up. Welcome to page seven. My name is Jackie Zabrowski. And I'm MJ. The story of the week is Brad Pitt falling off the wagon. But here at page seven. You know, we're keeping our knees down. Oh, when the sun goes down and burns the tar up on the roof.

And when your shoes get so hot, you wish your tired feet were fireproof. Down under the boardwalk. Down by the sea. Oh, no, blanking with my Cina is where I'll be. Bada, ba, da, ba. Under the boardwalk. Hanging out with Cina, under the boardwalk. MJ, you're there, too.

Under the boardwalk. Oh, no, look, it's Jack. Under the boardwalk. You can come on to, under the boardwalk. Uh, bow walk. Yeah, you figure, yes. Let it out. Let your chest hair out.

Let it out. Let it all out. Let it all out. Welcome, Cina. Workplace harassment. Yes, it's not if it's consensual. Consensual, MJ, consensual Cina? I'm here.

I consent. We're consenting. Consenting. It's sexy. That is what we are here at page seven. And I hope that you're consenting at home. And if you're not, you could just shut it off. You know, you definitely can.

But you want to keep watching, guys. Because what's going to happen, on today's episode. We don't know? But we do know, don't we, Sina? We do know. I'm ready. And Sina's ready to sing along with the songs later,

and he's going to nail them. He's going to kill them. But in the meantime, we're having a summer. We're in the middle of a summer, y'all. Look at my shirt. I see. I mean, MJ, you may as well be in a pool currently. I love this.

I was going to say, let's up and blend. You do want to have it open a little bit. You're right. You're right. No, it's from the little boys' target section. Thank you for noticing. Thank you. Wow. And no wonder it fits so well with your mystique. FJ, so you're in the target section, holding up the shirt, and then you put it against yourself. This is the problem. There's no way to not look like a total freak. You're the creep. This is from last year, okay? So it's pre-boycott. It's post-boycott.

I should have been boycotting Target for many years a night. I don't know where else to shop, okay? But, yes, I go to the little boys section and I pretend I'm shopping for a 14-year-old boy. I don't try it on in the boys department, Sina. What am I? What am I a creep? Let me in there. You just go and you're just like, oh, I got to get another little boys' room. No, I just pretend that, you know, and it's funny because in my basket I have a bunch of stuff for like seven-year-old girls. And then I go and then I also have a 14-year-old son I'm shopping for.

And then I buy stuff. Just pretend, yeah. Just hard-pretend. But Doug, you don't need to, MJ. I'm proud of you for wearing children's clothes because I know I try to fit into those husky boys' clothes and oftentimes my teetons don't fit. And it makes me sad.

The teetons don't, I don't have to worry about the teetons, but not a lot of-of-law, you beautiful bastard. Not a lot of 14-year-old boys have like a postpartum belly. Ah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, so that is. Because they get it all tucked in as they should. It doesn't, the shirts don't fit like a glove. but it is the closest I'm getting.

If I wear the men's shirts, I just, I look ridiculous, you know. But you look great all the time, MJ. You're always looking great. Thank you. And I feel like Sina is, he's part of the matching on top, matching on bottom, not right now. But like, you often have a whole suit. Carpets match their drapes. Are you talking about his chest here?

And do you're bringing up a chest there. That is true, though. That is true. It is pretty similar. Not supposed to ask that anymore. It would be surprising to the carpet and match the drapes. Like, no, I'm actually blonde down there.

It's not gray down there, but it's going to be that way. I don't know. You see, surprisingly, I'm a lot more gray down there than I am up here. I'm very, very surprised. Oh, yeah, really, it boles me over every time. There's a lot of stressful work happening down there. I guess. The stress goes straight to the pubic hair.

Straight to the mubing air. All the way, right out. Squeaks right out. No, man, I guess, I've been out here looking really good because over the weekend, last podcast network, as well as crude ink, which is the company that my husband runs, he's the artist of. We were at midsummer scream over the weekend. And man, if I tell you guys, we had a blast. It's crazy. It's one of the biggest horror cons in the world. It really is a ridiculous experience. We met so many amazing people. But I wanted to share this story because I, I, I, I'm gassed up for like at least the next three years of my life. Because let's just say in the morning, right, before everything opens,

John Carpenter was sitting at his booth. And he had his handlers around, of course. It was before a real big busy day. And Jeff and I saw that John Carpenter was sitting there. We went over to go see Henry. And Henry was like, let's go talk to him. And I was like, I don't want to bother him. It's before the show.

He's just sitting there. And he was like, let's go talk to him. So the three of us go up to him. and Henry just goes, Mr. Carpenter, Mr. Carpenter. And he looks over and he goes, will you buy my sister? And I went, I just paraded myself around. And I immediately started showing myself off. And then Jeff said, she's my wife.

I own her. And I give you permission to purchase her. And he looked me up and down and went, okay. And so, y'all, I've recently been purchased by John Carpenter and I'm going to go. I got to go be his wife now. and I'm done with the show. So I got to get out of here. I got to get out of here.

I got to go. I got to go be a wife of a Halloween genius. And this is huge for me. Yeah. He looked at me and said he would purchase me. Yeah. Yeah, that's, you dine out on that for the rest of your life. Thank you.

Thank you. I'm eating good in this neighborhood. It's going to be eating those grays. Yeah. Yeah. And he's not going to tell him. You tell him about all the grays. He had long white hair, all right?

I bet he's into what's down there. And then he's like, all the carpets do match the drakes. And I say, yes, they do, Mr. Carpenter. And I will be calling him Mr. Carpenter as his head is between my legs. Of course I will. I show respect. Yeah. But thank you guys for understanding because it's been really difficult.

A lot of us out here have been celebrating Summerween just on the whole. And it's been, I feel like Summerween is hitting harder this year than it usually does. and I think it's because people are so sad. I think that we all just need, and especially us goth babies, we hit August and it's just like, is it October yet? Can we just get past this?

This is now, it really is, it's crazy. You know how Christmas has taken over many months of the holidays? Halloween, and I love it, is finally getting its due. And now Halloween is spreading all the way up into July, and this is great for us. Is that when you say summer wean, do you mean the creeping spread of Halloween as a holiday? Or is it something else? Is it like a Christmas and July situation where some people just do this,

they have chosen to observe a holiday at a wrong time? Yes and yes. Because here's the thing. If you are, and I know that we should it, but this is around this time of year when Michael starts putting out all the Halloween stuff. And this is when all the stores start putting out all the Halloween stuff. Now, is most of it made? out of AI now? Yeah. Yeah, you want to look at how many fingers are on the skeleton before you

purchase the skeleton, but it, and also, man, it is crazy. Just, they really try to keep AI out of midsummer and it's just rampant. It's just, it's not supposed to be there and it's yucky and it's disgusting and get out of the way because there's real artists that should be there. But, you know, I just need to scream about that every once in a while. So at the convention, you see a lot AI art? Not so much necessarily. It's like with the selling of food and stuff like that. So it wasn't necessarily the artists themselves, but there was, there was a whole spot where people would go to take pictures and all of the backgrounds. All of it was AI. And I'm like, so you're paying to take pictures like in front of this. Like, why did you even make this that? You know,

it's just such a, in my neighborhood, there's a flyer advertising like an open mic and it is like the most AI slot that you've ever seen in your life. And I'm just like, and at my poor kids, I scream about it every time. I'm like, you shouldn't use AI to advertise art. You know, it's just inherently contradicting me. But Jackie and Cito, would it be insensitive of me to start constructing a Halloween costume based, I don't know, can it be in Spot? Drunk Brad Pitt? Can I, can we, let's work shopping. I'm just, let's no bad ideas here. How can I? So are you going to be drunk Brad Pitt when he was on the plane that one time screaming at all of his kids

and traumatizing all of his children? Are you that? Brad Pitt? I want to, can we, because I don't want to do child abusing Brad Pitt. Okay, we don't want to do. You don't want to do. I don't want to do. Brad Pitt, is what I'm here. I think I want to make fun of Brad Pitt without dragging any children into it.

You know, and I think that's easy now that he's not in his kid's life because he's estranged from them. Let me just challenge you on this point. You could involve your kids if you really want to commit to the character. This is kind of nice. Yeah, community.

Family. My family does usually do a group costume. And so, yes, Gideon could be Angelina escaping with the children. And I am just, you know, leaving a mess in my way. Oh, my God. I love this. Although he's going to have to get another like skeleton costume. And I think that it would be fun to watch him get that down.

Oh, my God, with the big lips to just skeleton costume and huge. lips and he has to explain all night long who he is. I'm like, oh, I'm Angelina Jolie from 20 years ago. Yeah, from like, everyone's going to get it. From the divorce time. Yeah, I don't want to make fun of anyone's lack of sobriety, obviously, but he's not presenting it as a problem. He's presenting it as a solution. And I think that's, you know, it's tough. This is why we're talking about it here, because it actually really is a very sad story. He is, so Brad Pitt has confessed to being no longer sober after seven years of sobriety. Now, this has come after the huge trial of, you know, the custody trial and the divorce proceedings and everything. And he really got

ripped through. I mean, don't worry. He's still doing F1. Like, he's not, he's fine. You don't have to worry about Brad Pitt. His career has survived. Yeah. His career's fine. Yeah. But then now he's out confessing that he is no longer sober. And it's not. not in a way of, you know, of like this is something that I am struggling with, that this is in a way, like, it is not presented as such. It is like a, yeah, so now I'm like having some beers. I can have a few beers. You know, it's just like, it's just some beers. Did it have to be a professional about it, is what he was saying, which is a weird way to frame drinking.

It's a weird way to frame drinking. And in this, like, last week, we had a lot of conversation talking about Ariana Grande. and I do feel that it is at a level that talking about something like this I feel is dangerous. Talking about sobriety in this manner that I think that it's

scary, it's scary to see him talking about any addict to see, like someone that had struggled seeing them talk about it like this I think should really raise a lot more red flags than just like oh, he's drinking again, it's fine. It's almost like he shouldn't have said the word

sober. I think that's it. Like, I think that if, also, I think that I don't know to what extent Brad Pitt's problem is a drinking problem or a violence problem. I think that the problem with him totally. And I think that the problem is that what we know about Brad Pitt's drinking was that it was specifically involved with an incident of violence against his children. I was also thinking about this in a totally different context, different celebrity who, who has, so Connor Oberst, Bright Eyes, who I absolutely love. And we were talking a few years ago about how he was kind of like barely able to finish his shows. Obviously, anybody who's ever listened to any of his music, he's talked, he has struggled with substance use and alcohol use his entire life. But he's also never tried

to get sober, like fully sober. He's never identified as somebody who gets, like, he's never said, like, I am an addict or I'm an alcohol. Well, I don't know about that. He has never, anyway, long story short, this year, he is speaking more about that experience and about how he got really, really low and he's doing better now. And what he says now is like, I'm not sober. I'm not sober. I'm not trying to be sober. But I feel like I have, I'm not out of control right now. And I feel like I have a healthy relationship with these substances. And I think from somebody, I know, Jackie, you live with somebody who has, you know, been through the program. And I think for a lot of people to hear somebody who obviously has had an alcohol problem over the years. And 10 years successfully,

of 10 years success. And totally. Someone that goes out of his way to. to talk to other people that are going through experiences like this. And he really truly tries to reach out and connect with people, especially people that are struggling. And that's why I think that reading this, and I know that I even make jokes about professionally joking. Did Jeff reach out to Brad? He did.

And Brad was like, you know what? I'm fine. Thanks for calling. I'm good, babe. It's all good. And you know what? I just was really proud of Jeff for doing that. I was really big of you to do that. But no, I'm talking about other people.

I'm talking about just in general. And I appreciate that he's the kind of person that people go to to ask for advice about things like that. And it does make me think that, like, I hope Brad Pitt has somebody. I mean, but that's the thing. I don't know if he has a sponsor because I don't, it seems, I don't know if he's gone through the program. We don't know. We don't know a lot. It does seem like, and I don't think I'm speaking out of turn here, but this, our whole.

group of friends have had our run-in and ups and downs with substances. Alcohol drugs, may name it. Maybe a couple of them. On camera. On air. Maybe for many years. Maybe a whole show you don't remember anything

you sent into the microphone during, you know, like. Sure, we thought it was fun to do those things then. We didn't think anyone was going to listen to them, though. I always do it as, I view it as, can you let the party stop? Or does the party take over your life. And I can speak for myself, at least when I've gotten things under control in a way

that makes me happier as a person and makes me able to regulate my emotions better. But I'm not sober. I'm not trying to tell people or flex that I'm sober. Right. But it hasn't been... Your relationship with substances can change. Yes. And I think that saying that, and again, you know, I'm not, I can't speak to whether or not Connerober's relationship with substances is healthy or not. But I just, I thought it was interesting to hear him be like, don't call me sober because I'm not. I still like to not be sober, but I have gotten a healthier relationship with it. And yeah, I think that, I don't know, I agree Jackie with, I think the problem with the way Brad Pitt is talking about it is. He's just being very like, like, flip it.

I did, flip it. I had a problem. I was sober for seven years. But now I have a good relationship with it. And it's fine. And it's, that feels it's, it doesn't. It's just, it's a little hard to square, especially given that it was based in. these patterns of aggression and violence,

I think that's really where it's hard to go back to it and be like, no, I'm good now, you know? Can I ask you guys about Brad? Because I struggle with Brad. Sure. Because I grew up... Sexually or ladies. He's a gentle lover.

Okay. He caresses my face. Oh. And then slowly put... Actually, we're going to want to hear more about this, but we're going to have to hear about it after this ad. So, Sina, please continue talking about how Brad Pitt is as a gentle lover.

He is very sweet to be. Yeah. But I grew up with Brad Pitt, you know, watching him and stuff like this. And your body and your mind kind of have this positive connection. I remember him in true romance. Ooh. Whoa. You know?

See, I'm more of a Legends of the Fall, Brad. Sure. But I get you. And I'm a simple bro. I'm a fight club bro. You're a fight club, bro. Yes. Like, how do we...

We have a relationship with older, with previous Brad before you got... Yes. Earlier Brad. Bad Brad. Oh, God. is bad Brad now. Sorry, that's the thing. And it's not like these aren't, and then the stuff that

happened on the plane, it's also not like something that I was in like TMZ. This is like court documents. So it's it's, you know, it's recorded. That's how I always kind of view these things. So it's real in my view, right? All this stuff happened. Do we

like how do we judge him? Like I find myself conflicted but still enjoy the films and enjoy his work. And you love F1 the F1. I like F1. The sport. But did you watch the movie F1?

I did. I went to the movie. I was very annoyed because I felt like they just kept shoving F1 in our faces. But I also don't care about the Zoom part of it. The Zoom. The cars are round, round, round. Yeah, the fast cars. The fast cars.

Yeah, the Tracy Chapman of the Zoom. The Zoom aspect. Not the meeting software. So. I think this is the question of our time. how do we appreciate the art that all of the bad people have made, right? And can you be a good person and make art? That's good.

I think so. Less and less. Less and less, right. There's some. No, well, I don't know. I remember asking this question in like 2014 or whatever year the Michael Jackson documentary came out. And I was like, do I take him off all my playlist?

And this was not my insight. It was somebody else's who wrote into my, the political podcast where I was. I was talking about this with my brother at the time, and someone was like, I think that when it comes to something like this, it's not like you have to. It's a question of can you, can you still enjoy it? Like, can you hear an MJ song come on a playlist and still enjoy it? And that's not even a moral question. Not, yeah, you're always going to enjoy MJ's. Oh, yeah. I mean, yeah. M.J.'s minute munchies. It's like, you know, like, we all, I feel like we all have our people where we're like, I'm still going to like that book or I'm still going to like that movie, even though they're a baddie. And it depends on what kind of. Are we talking dirty dog bad or are we talking abusive to a son on a plane bad? And yeah, I mean, I'll still watch Fight Club, but I'm not going to like go to bat for Brad Pitt as an actor. You know what I mean? It does.

And it just seems like a challenge with him because he's now out. And I also feel weird when they're doing these human interest pieces. I can't remember what magazine he did that interview for. But it's like they're clearly coming out and trying to connect their on-screen persona and the love you have for them to their real. life. Oh, yeah. Oh, big time. He's trying to rehabilitate himself. Exactly. He's dressed at all. He's doing all these fashion. Yeah, he was disgraced. And now he's like, but remember how handsome I am? But do you guys

remember? I mean, you look at the pictures and the problem is that, God damn, he's aging like a fine wine. Like, he's just looking better and better. Like, it's very, it's very exciting. But this is another thing where if, and I think sometimes people are like, oh, you just, you just, you just so vindictive and you never want to forgive. If Brad Pitt came out and said, I had a horrific, time in those years. I was a bad husband. I was a bad dad. I might never be able to repair with my children,

but I can at least acknowledge what it was done. That's also different. But instead he's just like, but remember how good I look at a suit? And you know what it also reminds me of is how he built all those homes that ended up like falling over in New Orleans. In New Orleans. All the bad stuff that he's ever done starts coming back to me now.

One stuff like this happens. Especially under the guise of a good thing. when it's like, oh, and you didn't even do it 100%? Jesus, like, you can't do anything all the way? It's like Ashton Coucher with his, like, remember, he was, like, obsessed with human trafficking for a while? Yeah. Yes.

I like you saying it as if he was the head of the human trafficking. Parentheses, anti. He likes to organize them. He likes to make sure that they're all, all the, you know, the slaves are organized by height, by weight. And someone's got to. They're going to put their little fingers in a little soup of charity and they're going to mess it up and it's going to be totally self-serving.

Get your fingers out of my soup. Celebrities. Yeah. No, I, but yeah, I think, I think that this attempt at rehabilitation by Brad is really messy. Yeah, because he's like, look, I'm doing a, like a photo shoot. I'm, yeah, you saw me getting photographed with booze at Taylor's wedding before I had publicly come out and said I'm sober. And now you also feels like damage control. Exactly. Exactly. It's messy. It is messy. I said, I can have a few. drinks, but he didn't say how many nights a week he has a few drinks. I have a few drinks and that like he now

knows, he knows not to drink too much and it's just what is that level and how are you able to control that as time goes on? We'll know if he starts getting real bloated, real fat. We'll be able to see it all over his face. Yeah, yeah, he's a little puffy now. Yeah, and he's looking

it. He's looking not juicy in a good way and man, speaking of not juicy in a good way, MJ and I both screwed up last week. MJ, I weirdly knew you were talking about their eyes were watching God. And I don't know if it's because we were talking about it. Like, were we talking about it recently? Like, we both knew that we were talking about their eyes were watching God,

which is a very, very different book than the play of Children of a Lesser God, which is the one that we are talking about. I think there are about a couple of different things. And they are talking about taking accountability. I was trying to talk about rabies. I was trying to talk about rabies. And I was thinking of the only book that I remember that really depicts the horror of rabies.

And I meant to say their eyes were watching God. The 1937 novel by Zora Neal Hurston. And instead I said, children of a lesser God, which I think that this is an understandable mistake. But I knew that Jackie knew what I meant. It's so different. I think they're about different things.

Well, children's lesser God is a deaf woman. and John Hurt and Marley Matlin won the Oscar before. Like, I've seen so many scenes from Children of a Lesser God done, which is they shouldn't have done because no one should be playing Marley Matlin's role unless they are deaf. Can we say that to all the high school competitors out there that are also performing scenes from children of a lesser God?

I literally happened. Don't go full deaf. Okay, whatever you do, You could go 10% death. Yeah, we can go little death. You go little French earring? So I just want to apologize to everyone who was trying to figure out what I was talking about when I invoked children of a lesser God, a very beautiful text about a relationship and like the

deaf experience with Marley Matlin. And I was trying to talk about rabies. Very different. Their eyes were watching God by Zora Neil Hurston. We need to get that out there because they are very different. And I don't know if it said MJ and I have had a conversation about the rabies in their eyes were watching God before that I knew exactly what you were talking about, but we were both desperately wrong.

But that's why we are here to have these confessions, guys. You know? You're welcome. You're taking accountability. Thank you. Thank you. Take a lesson. Please.

And also, maybe Brooklyn Beckham could also learn a couple of lessons out there. And maybe one of those lessons is. if you pretend that you are a chef, which is one of the professions that Brooklyn Beckham has pretended to be, he would probably know that cooking pasta with seawater is just not it. And it's such a weird because I love that everyone's like asking, is this rage bait? I thought you were a cook. It's just so funny that they'll do anything to talk about Brooklyn Beckham. They really, like this is such a stupid.

that he posted like he that's all about like of course we get some pasta water before drinking the pot and collecting the sea water um it's just it was like as if like it's like it's crazy that people die of uh dehydration when they're on a when they're on an island somewhere isn't that so crazy they got all this water out here like i'm surprised he didn't say that in the ticot you know i'm generally not a let's eat the rich i hate the bill i just think it's a waste of time for personally this i whatever you guys all want to do you guys all want to do you do everyone out there. I'm generally not. Like, I just don't, I don't spend a lot of time thinking about how bad the wealthy are in that set. Until you think of the Beckham's. But when I think about the Beckham's, and when I see stuff like this, I do think we need the, the Nepo babies need to be in a work camp. They need to be.

Just to learn something. Yeah, the parents need to be held hostage until the kids get out of the work camp. But not in a Savannah Guthrie, Nancy Guthrie, where are? Where is her mother? Where is Savannah Guthrie's mother? I think that what's also happening with Brooklyn Beckham is that when that initial story came out, all of, you know, the page sixes and the everywhere. It was such a gift, you know, the story of the wedding about mommy and daddy in the wedding and I'm so mad at mommy for ruining my dance with my wife and everything. It was such a gift.

Beautiful. That now it's like, do we want to keep talking about Brooklyn, Beckham? Because again, nothing's fun out here. Nothing's fun. In the celebrity gossip world, you look at it page six, it's rough. Okay, it's rough to find something fun. And so I think Brooklyn Beckham being a professional dumbass. And photographer. Professional dumbass, professional photographer, a professional, you know, amateur chef is like, I think that it's like, well, is this something? Like, I think that Brooklyn Beckham is now, and honestly, Northwest, it's like the Nepos, I'm not saying I got sympathy for the nepo's, but it's just kind of like a,

is kind of the gift that keeps on giving because no one's watching them. No one taught, I mean, Brooklyn is an adult, but no one's teaching them how to be a person. And so they're just going to keep doing that dumb stuff. I was about to say, I don't feel bad for Brooklyn, Beckham, but I do feel bad for Northwest just because she is still a kid. She's still a kid.

That is, it's really, it is kind of funny that they canceled all the dates for Northwest tour, and it's kind of funny that it's the second reason, not the first reason, the first reason for canceling the tour was not because they couldn't sell tickets. That's the second reason. First reason was because the other rapper. See, she had to finish her album.

That's the reason why all the dates got canceled. And then all the press around this turned into like a structural critique of ticket master all of a sudden, like because Northwest couldn't sell tickets. And they're like, it's really hard to be like a young up-and-coming artist. And that's like, well, that's true. But I don't know if that's what's going on here. That's not what's going on here. You know, I just hope Kim is a better mother to this little kid than her mother was to her.

You think that she's going to? She already has a canceled tour. She already has a canceled tour, Sina. So I think that she's not doing it. Well, she did, of course. I mean, when your ticket sales can't pay for the security that you're going to have, that's a problem. Yeah. Yeah.

So I went into a bit of a northwest directional hole. Oh, no. There was a blind that was like North is taking shots at her mom very openly. But it's because she just put out a music video. And this was since the news that they canceled to her. She put out a music video. And I watched the music video. And it's giving?

Is it giving something? Is it giving 13? Is it giving child? I'm not going to make fun of a 13-year-old. Is it giving elementary school? Honestly, it's not even that it's bad. She obviously has, she obviously has like, I'm sure she has very good, you know, producers and stuff that work with her. And it's, but it's kind of like the reason the headlines is like, it's like it's dark.

Like like the Kanye West's daughter North new music about suffering raises eyebrows. It's, it's dark. It's moody. It's totally something. She's 13, yeah. 13 year old. Yeah. Like I don't think that that necessarily is reflective of anything that's going on with her parents or anything.

But it is just, it's like how. just very uncomfortable to watch this 13-year-old who has the resources to, like, produce, like, a fine-looking, like, she's 13. She's just not, she's not a musical prodigy. She's not even really a musician. So it's like, you know, at least some Nepo is like they've, they've, they got the resources, but they also got the talent. And I'm not even saying she's not talented. She's 13. She's just too young. You just, this is something you should be making in a basement with your friends, you know, not with, like. Because it's also Northwest. apparently does, according to, you know, the CD book, Northwest does write and produce, I don't know if you can hear it if you're not watching the YouTube, produce her own music. And solely, she is, like, solely credited for being the writer and producer of her music,

which is, I mean, technically, if she were doing it, would be very inspiring. And also like, listen, before her father, like, really became very unwell and also became an unapologetic Nazi. Well, maybe he was always like that, but we don't, you know. He was a very talented musician. And I think that it's not impossible to imagine that North will become a very talented musician. Oh, yes. Yeah.

But I would say, you know, Kanye, yay, still making good beats. You could be a Nazi and make good beats. I had a long time where I loved his music and I was Yeah I mean what are you supposed to goose step to? You got to get those legs up A goose step, baby. Come on now.

I like I mourned you know not Talking about like How can we engage with Brad Pitt's movies I really mourn not being able to throw on Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy and feel great about it. That's so funny you said that MJ that's the line I draw That's the last album that I will listen to Because I say...

Because I like Jesus, too, but Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy was before he really kind of fell. Yeah. That's exactly, though. That's what I say. And I'm like, this... After this. Well, in my...

It's like BK. It's like before Kanye's falls. Or I guess, you know, then you can listen to it. Then it's okay. Sometimes it'll come on. But then you do that for Michael Jackson as well. You're like, oh, I don't know when he was grabbing the kids.

Like, so put on thriller. You know, like... We're right in the rule because we go. I know. We don't know. In fact, even over the weekend, people were asking. if we sold thriller stuff.

And we're like, I feel, no, we don't. We don't sell thriller stuff. Larry David faces. I have a Will Smith, Fresh Penter Bel Air shirt. Oh. And I actually wore it when we all watched the Oscars that one night. When I was wearing the shirt. You're like, I guess this is the last night I'll ever wear this shirt.

And then my son, my five, now five-year-old, saw me with the shirt recently because I had it up in the closet for a long time. I never wore it. And now I just started recently wearing it again. And he's like, Daddy, who is that man? And I'll tell you, if there's ever been a question that really threw me for a loop. Wow.

Where do you begin? He's a slapper. He's a talented actor, but he slaps. And he goes, Daddy, is that Donald Trump is the first thing he said? Very different. Very, very different. No, but he is a goofy man. He is a goofy man.

He involved in a lot of great work. They have similar ears, but that's kind of where it stops. It's where it stops and it starts. I think that also, congratulations, you have a five-year-old now. Thank you. Yes, they're three and five. Oh, my God. I guess this is growing up.

And soon they're going to have their own canceled tour. And I'm really excited about that. When are we getting them on the state? I want to see them. When are we getting them out there? I want to see them on sets. My sons are going to have 15 canceled podcasts before they have a canceled tour. I was wondering when the projects were going to begin.

Does Hero need a project manager yet? He does have a little digital camera that I give him, and he does take photos and stuff like that. He's so cute. It is very sweet. Oh, my God. It's devastatingly cute. Your kids, I tell you, you got to keep that. I mean, thank God, MJ, you guys live as far away from me as I do because it's like you just got to keep them away from my quivering uterus.

Just for like three or four more years, all right? And then I'll have the shop closed up and then it won't matter anymore. And I don't have to worry about how I'm going to screw up my kids to spurn them into trying to create a 14-deme. tour while I homeschool them. I don't know what I would have forced, I'm going to say it, forced my kids into doing, and what are you guys currently

forcing your kids into doing? I'm forcing him to take pictures with like old 2000s. You're making a photographer. I love this. Well, he's got to just learn today I told him about he was, we watched the Transformers movie, the original the one with Orson Wells this last week. And Megan Fox. You know.

Orson Wells. Megan Fox, it is the combo you never knew you needed. Wow, we've been begging for it. A.I. Give us this when. Although she is a good mommy, at least in terms of her kids' gender and stuff. Good mommy. Good mommy. Good. And left machine gun, Kelly, after a while. I think good mommy. I'm going to say, I think, it seems like you're not really stable, MGK. Yeah. You're not really doing it. I think. And man, if you want to get stable, you better wait until we get back from the break. So smooth. But now I hope that you guys are excited because I know, Sina, you've been really desperately waiting to talk about Harry Jousy.

I don't think you know and or care about Harry Jousey whatsoever, but we are here as reality TV watchers to talk about Harry Joussey. Before he diving, can I just say reading about this Harry Joussey thing, you know, I record the Foreign Report today. I've been reading all about great power competition. How are these big levers of power being pulled and all these different things? And what country is expanding. What's falling? You read about this. You're like,

I don't need to read about geopolitics. I know that the empire is failing just by reading about this. Harry Jousy. Right, right. Yeah. The evidence is right here. And really what makes this one special is not just that it's dumb. It's not just that it's a dumb reality show.

It is that it is a recycled idea based purely on the fact that Harry Joussey has a name that rhymes with the word Mary, just like Prince Harry has a name that rhymes with the word Mary. And in 2014, they made I want to marry Harry, which Jackie Zabrowski was the one person who watched it. The one person. And then they thought, oh, this fucking guy, Harry Joussey, he's fucking his way through all the reality shows. Let's do a show about him. Oh, my God, his name's Harry. Let's just recycle the idea. It's 12 years later.

No one's got to remember it. But they didn't count on Jackie Zabrowski in making this connection. Nope. Me and the one other person that also made the connection that I feel like is from some Australian publication. Just me and this other person

that has united the two. Now I will say big difference is I want to marry Harry, the Prince Harry one. It wasn't actually Harry and it was Harry in quotations because it was just some fuck that had red hair.

and had no money. And so it was all a dupe to coerce these not very bright young American women that he was Prince Harry. Which means... That's a red-headed British man. That's Harry.

And yeah, that's him. Like a side picture of him once. And yeah, that's definitely him. We're in a helicopter. Of course, it's Prince Harry. And it's before the... It seemed like the producers used back of the day used to have to affirmatively lie to the contestants. Yeah.

But now we've achieved a level of idiocracy where you don't have to you just kind of slightly build the environment you put a little notes of status attached to a person and all of a sudden

20 women are ready to give this hairy man a rimmer to make his eyes roll in the back of his head Oh are they? Well Harry Joussey is insane Harry Joussey is the Prince Harry of the Netflix reality universe everybody knows him

everybody wants to sleep with him he's so shaky. You know, I would sleep with him, honestly. I also would sleep with him. I unfortunately, we've watched this man enough that I saw him. I was behind him in an AMC. And I was like, oh my God, this Harry Josie. And Jeff was like, you don't act like this about anybody that you, like, I.

You met Barack Obama. You didn't react this way. He was going to see Garfield, right? He was going to see Garfield. He was going to see Garfield. I watched him walk into Garfield. He went. went to go see Garfield and I, uh, it made me like him more.

It made me like him even more. He texted me and Holden about it. He's shrieking. You guys were on, do you remember what movie you were on your way to see? You were not on your way to see Garfield. No, it was like the opposite of Garfield. I don't remember what it was, but it was the opposite. And I was like, this guy, but he does say, Harry Jousey says,

this is his last reality show. He's never going on another one because he's going to find his wife. And I just don't think that that's true. But I will, I love it because in the beginning of the show, of course I started watching it immediately, all the girls were talking about like what they like about him and before they met him. And they were like, I like that he's six, five.

It's just that he's tall. I like that he's international. Because he's Australian. He's tall in Australia. Those are the two best assets. That's literally, like, that's all they think he's English. And they don't know that. I'm sure they think he's English.

I'm surprised. Same thing. Because it is, I think that's also why when they were thinking of it, they're like, oh, my God, just like when Prince Harry did it, it's like he's the same person. But they, I bet Netflix doesn't even know he's Australian. I am going to throw that out there. And we are talking about Harry Joussey from too hot to handle. He was on perfect match.

He was on Heartbreak Island. He was on Match Me. if you can. Like, he has been, he makes an appearance in Secret Lives of Mormon wives, doesn't he?

What? Because they try to get Taylor Frankie Paul to bang him, and he literally is like, you're too crazy for me, and that's saying something, y'all.

If you're, if, if Taylor Frankie Paul, if that, like he even, sorry, Taylor, you've got some problems,

dude. Yeah, that was sad. Yakes, he was like, I ain't touching that with a 10 foot pole. And it was funny because he was brought in two stud, and he couldn't even stud.

No, he, Harry is not a terrible, Harry is a very charismatic person. The problem, Sina, is that it seems like he's like, also like, he's got good intentions. And I don't think he does. I think that he's just six, five an Australian. He's also become, I think, less of a pig. I think it too hot to handle he was really a fuck. But I think he's of a pig. He's on 17 reality shows, big.

His way through all of them. He's on his last one, Sina. Oh, God. This is his last one. If anyone ever thought we lost this war with Iran, this is the, we lost. Okay, guys? We lost a long time ago. We lost.

Because I want to marry Harry was, what, 10, 12 years ago? Like, we lost a really long time ago. 12 years ago. Don't you worry about that, Sina? Because we're out here worrying about other things. And I do love that you were. foreign report right after whenever you join us for page seven. It's such a switch for you to have to be like, what is happening over here?

And it was funny because MJ was like, oh, maybe there'll be another raffle to bring up. And Cito was like, there another raffle? It was immediately screaming. So angry. So angry. I yelled at my photo. I was like, surely this can't happen again. Another raffle.

Jesus. Everyone I ran into like a week after. recording that episode, heard me complain about that rap. So funny. That's so funny. But you know, you're not going to hear anything. Well, I guess, no, it's not Children of a Lesser God. You're not going forward because I think it's time for blind items. We're skipping a list? Yeah. All right. No, we're not skipping the list. I just forgot about it. I just straight and forgot about it. Because I've been doing this show for 15 years, MJ. And how dare you make me think that I'm supposed to know what comes next?

and yeah it's the list. Sing it to me, Sina. Cina singing today. Who's got the list? Me. Gotta have that list. Yes, Sina. That was like 0.8 speed.

God, April, if you could just speed it. Oh, you know, if you could just give it a bump up, that would be great. There was a request for me to sing. I just want you know, at my kid's birthday party, I start singing, happy birthday. Oh, you don't even do that. Because I don't like this, my singing voice. I'm a talking voice.

Happy birthday is tough. It's a big range. It goes high before you expect it to. It's like, you know, I dream to dream. You're like, suddenly I'm up here. You're so right. And also can we... Yeah, how do we feel about the ones that harmonize with the birthday song?

And I feel like that's something that isn't complained about enough. And I say this as a theater person because I think we all knew the person that was, Honey birthday It's like where they would add the harmony And you're like okay We don't need a harmony Well of course you do InJ

You don't like them oh yes I hate children singing And I hate children dancing And I hate harmony Yeah hate it hate it Hey it, hate it Well anyways audience You're welcome for me singing

And thank you so much Sina But are we thinking These celebrities Who avoid social media I was just talking to a friend the other day who has absolutely no social media. Never has, never will. And I said, what is that?

Like, he's like, I never think about it, and it's not a part of me. And I am equally frustrated as someone that was trying to purchase a birthday gift for him because I was trying to find out more information. How do you find out more information? And then I specifically was like, do and question for the audience right under the YouTube comments below. if someone, if you're currently dating someone or you're about to go on a date with them

and they have no social media, do you still want to go on the date if in this day and age they don't have social media? Question for the audience. Anyway, I'm jumping back into the list. George Clooney. An actor is famous and famously outspoken as George Clooney,

not posting online, won't go unnoticed. The Oscar-winning actor has been asked about it repeatedly and while his responses have been candid, the gentle prodding hasn't changed his mind. And he said, I don't think you can be a star and be that available. And then he said while confessing that he'd worry about getting into trouble based on what he might post, quote, if I have three drinks at night. And then the mall are like arguing about, you know, like the various human rights violations that she's fighting.

And he's like, yeah, I'm going to, I'm going to, you know, just take it to the internet because I've had some French wine. I love this. It's like, it's very funny. What do we guys think about genocide? Any way, comments below? It's like, wait a listen. We don't need to get into this. It is funny that apparently had a screening of Jay Kelly.

He says, I'm not on Twitter or Instagram because I drink. You know, 3 a.m., my mother, Teresa, joke might not play as well when I wake up the next day. And George Cooney. That's so cute. Now, that's a man with a healthy relationship with alcohol. But also, he's right that, like, there's no mystique to being a star anymore when you can. just tweet at a star and the star will be so insecure that they tweet back at you. It really like takes them off a pedestal in a way that I miss.

I'm like, put them on that pedal. I don't want to be able to contact you. But aren't we all working towards the point when we don't have to be on social media anymore? 100% of the people to do it. Like I play the lottery just so I don't have to be on social media. Yeah. Yeah. I would love to, I would love to not be on it.

And I think if I met, I'd like to think that if I met somebody who didn't, have it, that would be a huge, like, green flag. Right. But it is like, obviously, it's like how we get to, it's like how you do your little background research on people to figure out, you know, if they have good politics or whatever. But I think, I do think that it is, I think the level of star that George Clooney is, I actually do think that when famous people engage with stuff online, it's just, it takes,

it completely takes you down. Oh, my God. And I think that it's so wise to just be like that is not even something I, you can. touch. And you know that he probably has lots of good politics because of who his wife is. I mean, I mean, he doesn't need to speak. I mean, obviously, I like people who speak out about good politics, like Mark Ruffalo, but social media is something different. Nothing. Even Mark Rofalo, I feel like it's too much. I mean, I get it. I love all the things he says, but it is like, you know, you could support someone else that's like support them all. That's what I think. Like, if you're a

celebrity, people doing the actual work. Be the producer of the people that are doing the work. It just for me, a lot of Mark Rothelow, again, I'm a huge Mark Rofalo for him. Me too. But like it does sound like he is screaming into the void on his phone all the time. Yeah. I mean, we're all angry. Yeah. I think it doesn't bother me with him just because no one else is.

Sure, sure, sure. And I feel like Marrotho is the guy's like, does anyone else want to say fuck ice too? No? Okay, then I'll say it. And so that's, I appreciate it from him. I hear you. I also imagine it spurns him to scream it louder. more often too because other celebrities don't you know and i think because he is he has reached a level

of like box office success where it's not he's not that vulnerable for whatever reason he's just able to do that in a way that i don't know other stars either choose not to or maybe feel like they can't do it with obviously like the the actress from scream got totally fucked for for yeah if he did it as in like Hulk voice i think that would make it a bit yeah yeah making it into a Marvel bit. Marvel loves it when their celebrities get involved in politics. Ice bad abolished now. Yes.

You know, make him the smart one. Make him the sexier one. And then yeah, and then have them say it. Then I'll do whatever he wants. But you know, maybe some celebrities are just too damn classy to be on social media. Or maybe I'm just assuming that

because I'm obsessed with Olivia Coleman. And wicker, the wicker is calling. I'm ready for wicker. And Olivia Coleman, this bitch, she don't even need it. She needs a weird. scar's guard to pump her full of basket juice. But she doesn't need social media.

She says, apparently there are people who are pretending to be me, but I don't have it. So I can't see it. And love this. Oh, how nice. Be like, I don't go there. I don't know what you're talking about. But also at the same time,

she doesn't just say that. She, of course, says, I'm not brave enough. I know it would hurt. I'm not very thick-skinned. And so I don't want to know. I would rather pretend that no one ever sees a film that we make, actually. We really hope to do something to make people enjoy it. So when people go, oh, I don't like it, it does hurt because a lot of effort goes into something.

So, and I, and, you know, it's hard because we're all like that. We're all so many are like this. We're all like this. And it is so, we're all so vulnerable. And we're just like, oh, oh, oh. But, you know, if we could all be the Olivia Coleman that we want to be. You know? I always feel like Olivia Colman.

Would just be, if she didn't pop and become this huge celebrity, she would still be doing the good work of acting and theater. Oh, yeah. Totally. God, I love Olivia Coleman. I'd do anything for her. I'd also do anything for John Hamm. John Hamm recently, he's about to become, he's about to become a ditty.

John Hamm going to be a deadie. He used that big old dick for what it's made to be used for. Do you have a huge hog? Oh, yeah. See that you're not on social media. Oh, yeah. My algorithm is a big of a dog. out international relations.

No, yeah. Not John Ham's hog. Ooh, dog. They had to, literally for mad men, because of the way that the pants were, they had to let out the front of the pants to let in the big of a hog. It was a disruptive hog, Sina. Disruptive hog. It caused chaos in the wardrobe department.

It was a Wiz Khalifa and biking shorts hog. Yes. Yes. Yes. It was a Jason Dorillo and cats. Oh, yeah. Milk. everybody was screaming milk. He does have big features. So it tracks. Big

John Ham? Yeah. He's got a big head, big, like a nose. He's got, those hands look big. And that's why I feel bad for the woman that's got to shoot the child out of her. So hopefully that works out well. Maybe it'll be made out of Wicker. It'll be more pliable. Pliable when wet. That's what they say about Wicker. Wow. But Scarlett Johansson, of course, she's so beautiful. She's such a goddess. And of course, Scarlett Johansson does not have social media. Everyone on this list is very beautiful and very high class.

Yes, it's just like, oh, of course. You know, like, Kira Knightley doesn't want to know what anybody's saying about her. But then there's also the youth, I was so surprised, Mikey Madison. Mikey Madison doesn't have social media, which I was very, very surprised about. And this is, you know, someone coming in going to be on the new social reckoning movie. the new Facebook, another Facebook movie. Oh, right. Another Facebook movie.

My Aaron Sorkin, Seneca. By Aaron Sorkin. Zuckerberg, together at last. I just have, I can't puke farther or faster than even just thinking about that. Are you excited to see it? Are you a Sorkinator? No, I mean, West Wing is where else. We love, I, see, I, I love C.J.

You know, we're here for, you know, we're here for, for, for, for, for, for, for, you know, West Wing, I know. But are you... We're talking. What else is there? I mean, the social reckoning. The newsroom? The newsrooms, sure. I'll fuck with the newsroom a little bit, but like, I will watch all of West Wing once every four or five years. Really? Oh, so for you, that's the Sopranos for me. So for you, that is...

I will have it on, like when I, actually last time it was when Kamala started running, which was, that didn't work out. But I was so excited. I was like, you know, what? Maybe we will get back to that ideal, you know, period, 9-11 time of where we believe in government. Everyone who has an idealistic liberal inside of them has a little love affair with the West Wing if they were the right age at the right time. You mean a good argument can actually change someone's mind? Whoa.

That is groundbreaking. That is groundbreaking. Not anymore. Not anymore. Cina. No, you just got to shove your hands so far up there at. that they turn into a puppet for you. But, you know, don't worry. He did also do the Steve Jobs movie. But he didn't direct it. I did not like that.

Danny Boyle directed it. But that's my list for you guys. I'm just over here dreaming about what could be without social media. Or maybe it's all going to implode. Cina, you know a lot more about technology than I do. Is it all going to implode? You put it in italics when you said that.

I was, you know, I was, you know, I was, literally going to say like the zip zaps like I was like you know whatever and I was like whatever Jackie you're about to say he's not going to understand yeah yeah all that yeah it's a different kind of binary talk so is it going to go away are we going to get rid of it yeah can we get rid of it no can I ask you to get rid of it I will say one thing if there if there is any sort of promise to the future and is there is that social media will eventually become AI's talking and posting for each other and ideally and they're just And then we could go back to just being humans that connect with each other.

That is my hope, at least. Honestly, it's part of what I loved about Midsummer Scream so much and what I love about going to these cons. I love interacting with humans. I love showing humans like this is a human that made... My husband, I didn't make the art, but this is a human that made this art. Like, buy it directly from him. Yeah.

I think it's such a cool. interaction to have of someone respecting the what you make and actually being able to purchase it from you. If you want, like, here's like the real take on this stuff. If you look at where the technology stuff is going right now, if the Chinese open, wait, and open models actually break the AI industry, meaning like a free model breaks open all the stuff that they're trying to shove. I thought they got to pay models. Well, there's paid models that they're all trillion dollar. But if those, if China basically makes the free version, and the world starts using that as opposed to how they've put all this money into these data centers that no one wants and all this stuff. And China just comes along and makes like, you know, the, you know, the Shenzhen version that everyone wants and it costs nothing.

Then, like, everything changes. Then things collapse in a way where we can rebuild and we become more human. That's, I know. But then again, I'm the West Wing guy. Are they, is that Aaron Sorkin talking? Is that Martin Scheme talking? It's like, yeah, if we can turn all the data centers and alligator alcatraz. If we could turn that into like, you know, housing for the homeless at some point.

You know, it's like if we could take that and turn it. And you know that's what they're going to do with it. Yeah, there's good heating in a data system. In Israel. Sorry, I think of that. I think of the goop. Oh, yeah. The goop commercial.

In Israel. What are you on the Upper West Side? No. In Israel. In Israel. I watch that. I'm sorry, I watched that commercial way too many times. It's very good, but you know what?

I can't watch anything because I've lost my eyesight. I think I'm going blind. Items. Ah, we can't see on. Yes. It was closer. And it was closer and it was faster. Every time we do it, it's going to get closer and faster.

But here's the thing. It's great. Every time it's going to be with a new different guest host. So you're going to hear us. Start over. It's kind of fun, though. And then we're going to whip them into shape. People will be so thankful to you, Sina,

because you're the first guest host, I think, to try to sing. And so you're brave. Hashtag brave. Okay, yes. And also probably for all the other things that you talk about and share awareness of. Oh, yes. But thank you for all those things. Thank you.

Yeah, yeah. I'm trying to keep singing. All right, let's do it. Line number one. When the former Disney actress brings out her former groomer for thousands of people to applaud, she must know the press will report it and bring up the grooming. So was the former Disney actress trying to cancel him for grooming her back in the day or wanting to celebrate the grooming?

Did I get really lost in the Guy Fieti groomer when he hooked up with his hairstylist? And when we, and I was like, oh, was the hairstylist grooming Guy Fiatty? And I was coming up with so many grooming jokes of Guy Fietti in many, many years ago. everyone having thought that he used to bang his hairstylist, but it has nothing to do with that. This is not a hairstylist. This is a person who dated this Disney actress when she was still a teenager, very publicly. Is this Dane Cook?

No. Oh, I haven't thought about Dane Cook in a second. To be honest, you're kind of in the right time period. Not similar style, but a similar time period. Okay, so Disney Star dating. and the one she was dating also well-known groomers well-known. We're talking about like a child groomer. You're talking about a hair.

I was making a joke. It's very different. I was confused. Okay, so here's what happened, guys. I was making a non-joke and that really, I'm glad it really threw it off. Rated it in. Last week, this artist, who is a singer and an actress, she was on stage at MSG, I think, and she brings up

this person who is her ex to be like, hey everybody, let's all give a big hello to this guy or whatever. And that guy was her like first boyfriend when she was 16. So Rachel Levin Wood and Marilyn Manson is it? 25. No. Better, he is from a band that everybody loved.

Let me remember what their biggest song was. Mark Wahlberg never. No, he just hits. He just punches. He could have stopped 9-11. Okay, I should have preloaded a song to sing. You've heard Mark Wahlberg talk about how he-oh. Put your damn hands up. What? This is the anthem, put your damn hands up.

No, nothing. Is that blink? No. Pink is the anthem. No. Oh, my God. Is it a rapper? This is the anthem.

Lifestyles of the rich and famous. Oh, that's good Charlotte. Yes. Oh, together with Hillary Duff? Is it the drummer guy? No. Hillary Duff. It's the front man.

The front man from Good Charlotte was 25. His name is Joel Madden, and he dated Hillary Duff when she was 16. And they were in a public relationship. She looked older, though. Yeah, so that was on her. Yeah, that was really, thank you for bringing that upseeing. Like, that was on her. She was wearing bras from the age of like 12.

You know what I mean? I don't think you could really. So she brought him up at MSG for like a surprise performance last week. And everybody's like, huh, in the way that we often revisit things from the past. And people are like, wait a minute, they dated. She was 16 when they dated. He was 25 when they did it. Isn't grooming just good conversation at the end of the day?

Aren't you just grooming your kids to be good people, you know? Isn't it? She's like there's a spectrum of grooming. Oh, man. some of it is fine. Like he probably taught her to be better at a lot of things. And I think she probably needed to know because she was only 16. So she has not.

Clipping. As of now, she has not said anything about this. But other people are like, it is just like, oh yeah, remember that. Wait a minute. That's real messed up. As is many things that we remember from the, I'm going to say, pre-2014, you think back and you're like, that's really messed up. Nobody was saying we shouldn't have a 25 year old dating a 16 year old back then.

Right. I also feel like it is a different idea as someone that like did have instances with different older, older men, unfortunately. It really has to do, I guess, with how hot they are and how much you were into them. Like I mean it like it's like where it's like if you look back and you're like, yeah, but that and also like was he good to her? good, I'm not saying, he is still grooming her. I'm saying in her brain that he's like, oh, but he was so good to me. So like, that like she would assume of like, oh, but he was a good experience. Yeah, he got her ice cream. Yeah, it's like he took me to school.

Like it is. I think what's weird about this one is that, right, she has never said, oh, that was really messed up. And then out of, so she just brought him up. And so she shouldn't have to, you know, it's also. No, it's not on her. It's not on her to like disown. the fact that she was groomed. But because it has never come up before,

I think that's why people are like, this is so weird. So this blind is asking, did she basically do this to like set him up for scrutiny about the fact that this happened? And she's never been able to, why did she bring him up on stage? For PR.

Literally, because would we be talking about Hillary Duff right now if she didn't? I didn't even know she was performing at MSG. It's 2026. Did she not think, if I bring up my ex-boyfriend from when I was 16,

and he was 25, will people think that's weird? And will people talk about it, MJ? And will people talk about it? I think that's it. I think this is, I think you just hit the nail on the head. I think that's exactly what they did. I think that they, I mean, it's not, you know, it's not a secret. It's just the kind of thing that was never really put under a microscope during 2026.

Exactly. This is not a reveal. It is a thing that we are revisiting, realizing it was all messed up. But as far, I mean, obviously, I'm. Being facetious when I say nobody was saying that it's wronged for a 16-year-old today to 25-year-old back then because we did know that. Objectively, we knew it. But it wasn't, there wasn't the same level of judgment and scrutiny about, of that behavior that there is now. And so I think that this is just one of those things that hasn't been revisited.

And we don't know what the motivations were of bringing it up aside from perhaps PR for Hillary Duff's concert. I can imagine Hillary Duff talking to her PR person and be like, do you think it's going to be a problem. And pure person's like, no, it'll be wonderful. Please. It'll be great. No one will mind it all. Yes.

That's the thing. And I don't want to accuse Hillary Duff of being like, of cynically doing the, but then, but then the fact that she brought him up seems like maybe they're cool with each other. Like maybe it ended well. Maybe there, he's an ex that they get along, even though again, she was 16 and he was 25 kind of inherently messed up. But one of these things where if it didn't feel messed, like you guys were saying, if it didn't

feel messed up to her at the time, maybe she doesn't have any negative feelings about it. very, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a yikes. It's a big yikes. It's a yikes from us, dog. It's a yikes. There's nothing good about this. There's lots of things out there. There's still that song, she's just 16 years old. Leave her alone. They said. And yeah, it's a yacht rock song called Into the Night by Benny Mardonas. And I think about that song all the time. You would know it if you heard it and you like yacht rock. And if I sang the chorus, I'm not going to sing the chorus to you guys because I'm not going to continue on. But every time I hear it, I'm like, man, that song's still out there, huh?

Yeah. I mean, you know, there's that whole, the Beatles have their, she was just 17. And at least in the into the night, she was just 16 years old. Leave her alone, they said. Like, they did say to leave her alone. But he sounds like he's not listening. He didn't. He didn't, guys.

But if he wanted to, he wanted to just take her into the night and show her love, okay? Blind number two. This guy, the backlash this week about the A-list everything in his mind's celebrity brought back memories of him fighting off multiple essay allegations or the fact while spending all day preparing to film he would never wear his wedding ring when meeting his fans. He would only wear it when actually on air. Oh, and then there is the time that he got a girl pregnant and forced her to get an abortion. Oh, or the time he cheated on his girlfriend the day before his wedding. and also the day after he got married. The only reason the R-word allegations went away

is because the network where he was working didn't want the television show on which he was starring to lose viewers. Wow. Okay, so this is, I know this is a very unpleasant blind item. He's a TV guy. He's a TV. His first TV show was from the 90s.

I talk about it all the time. I was obsessed with this show. Mario Lopez. Correct. Wow. Couldn't have happened to a shittier guy. Yes. Wow, I didn't know any of that stuff about him and none of it is surprising.

Oh, did you see the AI ad or not ad, the AI post that he posted last week of him and his niece and his niece is probably, I'm going to guess. 19. She's 19. And it was her eating two huge hot dogs and then gushing mustard all over and Mario Lopez next year going, she's crazy. She's crazy. And she's like smearing like mustard all over her. It's extremely phallic and suggestive and but also disgusting.

It's really weird. Yeah. It's real weird. So what is this blind saying then, MJ, if you could put this all together? Okay. So basically the blind is saying like there is an Us Weekly article from last week about that AI video of his niece, Mario Lopez Sparks Backlash after sharing bizarre AI video of me eating hot dogs at a baseball game.

So basically people saw that and they were like, this is really weirdly suggestive and inappropriate. And then all this, and I'm sure you saw Jackie, we got a bunch of feedback from talking about him last week because apparently he's MAGA. I did not independently confirm that. Oh, yeah.

Okay, so I didn't know that. This really makes it especially clear, I would say, because they really do love overuse of AI. He emcees a lot of the events. Oh, really? Yeah, he'll, I've seen. them do stuff. Yeah. Oh, okay. So yeah. So he's a, he's just a scourge on the earth. But yeah. So, so, so this

blind, to, to go back through it, basically, Mario Lopez has all these backlash this week because of the AI video. He, it's bringing back memories of him fighting, fighting off multiple essay allegations. He's on set. He's not wearing his wedding ring. He got a girl pregnant, forced her to get an abortion. He cheated on his girlfriend the day before the wedding and also the day after he got married. And the reason that's the day. Day before. And the day after. He took the day of the wedding off.

And we thank him for that. Thank you for your service. Brave. Can we say brave? Mario Lopez? It is a bit. A wedding weekend is busy. Getting that in before and after is surprising.

Must be not much to get in. Did you try your tucks up? No. I was getting it. I was figuring something else out. Because the candles. Those were consensual. And then, but then these allegations, the essay allegations,

basically, according to the blind, were shoved under by the network for the show that he was working on. But what show was that fucking, you know, Safe by the Bell? Not X, couldn't have been saved by the bell. She must have been something more recent than that. Access Hollywood or whatever the hell he hosts, you know.

Because it couldn't, I mean, this was way. I'm glad when you look him up, Holiday and Handcuffs comes up first. And actually, it makes me want to re-watch Holiday in Handcuffs. Sina, MJ and I watched Holiday and Handcuffs. holiday in handcuffs like two or three years ago. And it's a whole, it was made in 2007. It's Melissa Joan Hart.

And essentially she steals Mario Lopez and sexually assaults him. But it is like done in a like, zany. It's wacky. Because it's in 2007. And it is, I'm not saying that I'm happy that it happened to Mario Lopez, but it's a wacky kidnapping story. And yeah. So I don't know what, I don't know, literally.

what television, I mean, he's obviously been on television a lot, but it's all stupid shit. Excess Hollywood, extra, all this, you know, celeb stuff that he does, X Factor, like, what show is going to bat for Mario Lopez. But that's, that's what they say. That's what people say. I wonder if this is, sorry, he is still making holiday movies, but I wonder if this is still for Hallmark or if it's for, and I am just having. conjecture here, or is it for the Candace Cameron Bray like Maga

Christian facsimile that like once Hallmark started including diversity that she shoved off and made her own thing where it's like, good Christian morals are. Politically, I always see him in that sphere. Yeah, I think it seems definitely, it

would make sense. I can't, oh no, it's on the Lifetime Network, which lifetime, let's close. Let's clean up the network, shall we? All right, we've got Finding Mr. Christmas over on Hallmark. Aren't you trying to compete here? Get rid of the Mario Lopez, will you? Get him out of there.

And blind number three. Why, yes, that was the one-named foreign-born married singer hitting on young women at a funeral. Yikes. On board. Sting. You're in the right generation. Robbie Williams.

one name. Oh, the monkey. He's too busy being a monkey. Someone asked us to play Robbie Williams on Friday on Jack and I just can't be like, he's not a monkey no monkey no monkey. Apparently the monkey movie is fun and everyone keeps telling me that the monkey movie is better than me just calling it the monkey movie. It is a very, I watched it folding laundry.

Did you? Oh my God, when you're teaching AI had to fold laundry. as you did it. Sorry, Cina and I were talking about folding laundry and AI earlier. How was it? I mean, it was a movie you would not, I would not pay to see, but I would have on the background while I was like cleaning the house.

Yes, a bit of a Love Island territory. Sorry, MJ, we'll get back to this. Okay, I'm not sure if this will help. There was a very beloved Irish musician who passed last week and this single married singer hitting on young woman was at that. He was at that few. I'll start singing if you want me to.

I still have found what I'm looking for. The other one that's not stinking. Bono. It is the other one that's not stings. Did you hear me what I just said out there? The other one that's not staying. And I, please come at me, explain to me the differences. I know they're two different people.

I know that they are. And I'm just going to leave it at that. But that's about it. I know that they are two different people. Bono is the Epstein Island version of Sting. Oh my God. So everyone's going to scream at me. He's Irish and I always root for the Irish.

Well, Bono sucks. I hate ever since you two put that song in my iTunes library. I know. I've never forgiven them. I have just seething with resentment and I loathe Bono. Also, that band is trash. I loathe YouTube. That's right.

It's really what it is. I think that's what it is. I don't like YouTube, but I like the police. And I need to not confuse them. But I will throw it out there. If you put in Bono versus Sting, which is what I did, I'm not alone in confusing the two of them. So I'm happy about that.

I do think Sting is much handsomer and, yeah, has better music. Better actor. I'm way more upset about confusing children of a lesser God and their eyes were watching God than I am about confusing. two of them. You know what I mean? Yeah. No, everybody deserves to be upset at me about that. I'll take

that one. I just think that I understood what my brain was doing. I'm not saying the content of the two stories is the same. No, they're not. The wording of the titles is, it's all about God. What am I, how am I supposed to keep track of the various God texts? Okay. Right? The

bubble, you know what I mean? Whatever it's called. So what is, so what's Bono? Bono's bad, huh? Bono's flirting at the at the funeral. Are we surprised Glenn Hansard's funeral? But are we upset about flirting at a funeral? You know?

I think. No, I'm fine with it. But if you're married, I don't think you should. Sure. And if you're, or if you're, you know, the one is in the coffin, or is it fine? Like if you're married but your wife is in the coffin, are you allowed to still? Should we judge how people grieve, though? Don't flirt with that funeral.

Sometimes you got a hole to fill, MJ, and you got to fill it. Listen, I don't, I don't judge married people for flirting if it is totally. totally harmless and just totally, extremely like middle school level of flirting that's never going to go anywhere. I don't judge married people for flirting. Not going to judge you for flirt at a funeral. But put it all together. And I think, you know, old, I do, I will judge a much older man for flirting with younger women. So I think that that's really, of all of the offensives listed in this blind, it being Bono is the first. Yeah. And being an older man, younger woman is the second. Yeah. And I'm just singing flirting at a funeral to the tune of

dancing with a stranger in my head over and over and with everything that you're saying. And it makes me want to flirt at a funeral. I'm really seducing myself in my own brain. Yeah. Can't do it. Why? The funerals we've been to in the last year have been so chill. And I think that like nothing makes me hernia.

Oh, they're just crying. Cold corpse in the ground. Yeah, thinking about how expensive it all is. But MJ, can you see again? I sure can. Because that is really great because before we can fill our brains with the knowledge of future possibilities, we have to fill our mouths because it's time for Jackie Snackies. Now, Sina, you don't have to sing along with this song because neither one of us know all the words to this song. But I do want to, like last time, I'd like you to get down.

Snackie, snacking, snacking, up. Snacky. I've been a snacky girl. You get it. You like it. Snackie. Is somebody going to eat those chips? Is somebody going to try those candies?

I got seminar. They say I'm a snackly. Snacklet. They say. Snackleet. Snackleet. Like a athlete. Snackleet.

Thank you, MJ. Thank you. But also it's such a groove, isn't it? It is. I love it. It's a void. It gets you hurt. for some Oreos.

Everybody make way. Everybody make way. Because, Sina, the last couple of times you've been on here, I took you, I mean, I think last time I took you to Gupper Town, and I really didn't want you to hate coming to do page seven. Yeah. So I'm bringing in Oreo summer carnival inspired fudge flavors. And, you know, not all of them.

Summer Carnival. Oh, this is, this is, so for those that are not aware, Oreos puts out specific flavors that put together in collector's tins that you can only get on their website. I have not seen them in grocery stores, but I was curious because there are six different kinds of cookies in here. There's hot honey cornbread, there's cotton candy, there's lemonade, there's milkshake and fries, there's strawberry shortcake,

and there's also dill pickle. Now, of course, we're going to have to try the dill pickle. Yeah, I think so. You know we're going to have to try that. Unfortunately. We're going to have to open with the dill. We're going to have to open with dill. But do you want to take, will you hold this so I can take a picture of you with this collectors?

I would try several of those, actually. I would try, the ones I want to try the least are lemonade and cotton candy. So those are your least. So you would be more into a dill than I would do dill pickle. Wow. We got a dill head over here. And we knew that about you, M.J. The milkshake and fries, I would try.

I bet that's going to be good. I bet that one's going to be good. Which one do you want to try first, Sina? Let's go weird first. Let's go. So you want to start with the dill. Oh, man. And then there was another one you said in the beginning.

Hot honey corn bread. Yeah, that sounds scary. Oh, that one sounds scary to you. Hot honey cornbread in an Oreo. Yeah. In Oreo. Oh, yeah, of course, there's all the Eastergrass in there. excuse me,

spring's giving grass. How do you want to do this? Okay. Eastergrass? What month is it? It's August. Well, that's why, I mean, it's not Eastergrass.

That's why I just, whatever, whatever this stuff is. Uh-huh. Okay. So do they, do they say which one is which? I think you have to,

okay, we are here assuming. So you want to start with hot honey lemonade or you want to start with dill pickle. We can do hot honey or dill pickle. Let's start with the dill pickle. Let's get in here. They're green. You're going to be able to smell it.

Hulks and, and Alphabet's vagina. Okay, I can't wait to get the bouquet here. Yeah, let's see how pickle. How piclair we're talking about. Is it a chocolate on the outside, pickle on the inside? It is a frosting on the outside. I believe there is chocolate inside.

What? What do I have to sell my soul to the devil to open it? Swear to God, I swear to God, give me. I'm about to go with my teeth. I'm going with my teeth. The dentist says not to. I wish I could help you Dentis says a lot of things

Gha Gerts Dentis Outer Oh God It's It's individually Racked

Me too Oh yeah or else all the flavors Are gonna go inside It's Dilley It is What is it is What is it What does it look like

It's everyone will see If you follow me Last Pod Network Or Jack that worm Thank you Sina Yep got it And I will show the picture of.

It's like the color of my shirt. Let's go to do it. All right. I need to know everything. Crunch, crunch, crunch. They don't look that upset. I'm not as upset as I thought it was going to do. I thought I was going to hit harder with the dill.

You know what it is? The smell is so strong. Yeah. That you would think, oh, this is going to be bad. However, fascinating because last time they did not do this, all of the flavor is only in the flavor. So the Oreo inside is just Oreo. So really, it's like two separate entities.

Like you get the dill and you get the Oreo, but you don't really get them intermingling. But it's weird you do, but it's like not offensive. You know what they should have done for a carnival is they should have done a fried Oreo. Yeah, but it's not fried, but it's like containing the flavor. Or is this fried Oreo for all of the. Yeah, I don't think I want it anymore. Like I don't want to continue.

not awesome. But I'm not angry about it. Tell you what, better than those satellites. Oh, oh man, I gave you satellites and guppers. I really have screwed you over recently. So at one time you gave me like the cream de la crem of snack. And that's the problem is I, and then I got to knock you back down. All right, so we're going to eat two different flavors. You want to try the hot honey corn bread?

Sure. I think that that's this one. I'm assuming because there's two yellow ones and I know there's no piss, but there is lemonade and there is hot honeycorn bread. So it's one of these. I would pick the one that's darker. The hot honey. You got the darker one.

MJ, you wanted to try the milkshake and fries, right? So let's see. Let's get into this one. You're going to be my surrogate mouth for me? I'll be your mouth, MJ. I'll be your big eater. That was to the tune of heat miser.

All right, it's another teethe. Clip this out. It's stuck in my teeth. It's stuck in my teeth. Ew. Oh, did it get in between? Ew, the plastic was stuck in my teeth. You.

That's okay. It's just the microplastics that are bad for you. Honestly, the microplastics are already inside of Jeff's dick, and he empties those inside of me. So it's like the plastic in you, it's the plastic in me. And isn't that nice? And isn't that beautiful? I'm talking about human connection earlier.

Oh, I'm not vamping so I can open up the... Okay, what do we got? Is this hot honey? Hot honey. This might be lemonade. Oh, it might be lemonade. Oh, it might be lemonade. Uh-oh.

The darker one is lemonade? This might be lemonade. I feel like that's... It is lemonade. This is good. Oh, but it's good. And it's the vanilla cracker? Uh-huh.

Uh-huh. Okay, so it tastes like a leban fucking pie or something. That's good. Some shit. I don't like citrus pies. Oh, really? Yeah. Get it away from it.

Like a key lime? You don't like a key lime? No. Wow. I love Florida. I'm calling this out. Politically. Just kidding.

Calling out the milk chicken fries. Call it out the milk chicken fries. This is just a chocolate-covered Oreo. This does not taste like milkshake or fries. And I'm very, it is not given fries. There's a little bit of aftertaste of grease, but other than that, nothing. And I am disappointed. You heard it hear from me first.

Don't buy them. They're fine. They're fine. But honestly, the problem is they force you to buy the tin. And I don't want the tin. You don't want the tin. I think the tin is so lovely grandma. It's giving grandma.

Yeah, but what do I have buttons? Like, what am I going to be there? But this is the collector's item, you know what I mean? Yeah. So you both think that I'm wrong, that I should be put. What do I put in this? What do I mean? I would do it only for the tin.

Yeah, MJ thinks MJ's happy that I have the tin. I don't know what the hell to do with this. Put your weed in it. Oh, boys, I'm weed in it. Never mind. I know. I know it's got loaded offles, I'm weed in it. Ask the answer.

Yeah. MJ, what have you got going on? Okay. I found, remember, I'm on. What? Okay, it's a tiny can. It's a tiny, tiny, tiny, tiny, tiny, tiny cocktail. Because MJ's in the middle of nowhere.

They can't get snacks. They can't get drinks a lot. Everybody, make it up words. Minimmage. It's M.J's. Mimaj. Mimimush. Mimimich.

Mimunch. Mimimunch. Minut munch. Minut munch. Okay, so I am in a vacation house in the woods. There's no bodega to wander down to. I found the most novel thing in the house, which is a tip-top cocktail to camp. Whoa, nice.

I thought you were going to bring me like a haunted boy that you found in the closet. I'm so disappointed. It is a my time because that was the most novel flavor. That's an instant headache for me. And that's not what I'm afraid of. But also what's great is that this is the middle of the day for you, MJ, but you are technically on family, we don't call it vacation, family trip right now.

Good, I'm glad you know the difference. I know the difference. I will say from a, I know the difference. I'm now, my kids are eight and almost seven. It is, it's still a family trip, and it much more feels like actual vacation. Good, good, good. So there's hope.

There's hope. There's a lot. There's hope. It is my life, my hardest day with a eight and seven year old is easier than my, it's much better than when they were five and three. That's all I can say. I mean, this last trip, we didn't have to bring like milk and diapers. So that for Cosmo and I were like,

this is incredible. Man, I have to bring my milk everywhere, though, because I'm like, if I don't have access, so I've always heard of a Mai Tai. It is something that Gen Xers drink in my opinion. And yes, I got this can from a Gen Xer. And the ingredients are rum, lime, and some words I don't know.

how to say, Krakow or junt. That's it. That's definitely how you say. Curiselle? Yeah, I think it's Kurosow. Probably. I prefer the way M.J.

says it. Kourakow! Yeah, and it's going to be so sweet. They just started making crickle crackle sounds. Oh, God. Oh, but. So sweet.

You should also have it on the rocks, like out of the can is. It does say to put it on the rocks. Yeah. What am I going to go get a glass of ice in the middle of the show, Sina? I don't know. No.

Are you a professional? or what? Yeah. Tell them. It is very funny. Oh, they're still drinking. Oh, they're still drinking it. Oh, they're still drinking it.

I was like, oh, it's, we finished the show at about 3.45 and I'll have a little cat and a guy. I'm not going to be finishing this. Oh, you're not going to be? It was funny. Last week we had these banana, it was King's Hawaiian, like, little nugs that you were supposed to warm up and put banana salt on, but we didn't warm them. up so we were just dipping them in.

And it was funny afterwards. Adam was like, you know, technically you were supposed to warm them up. And I think that does make them a lot better. And I'm glad that we did it. I think it's good. These are the cold, hard facts here. And MJ, we don't like it. Is it cold?

It is cold. Okay. It's as cold as I got it out before we started recording. So it's an hour of a half. So it's been sitting. Okay. We're a 90 minutes deep. I don't have an assistant.

I bet children, bring me the M-Tai. With a bell. Don't you have a little bell at this point? You're on family trip. I don't like it, but I don't think that's TIP-Tops' fault. I love this cute little can. I adore the can. And so I don't think it's Tep Tops' fault.

I think it's M-Tie's fault. I think I don't like a Mai-Ti. All right. But I think that the little cans of Tip-Top are I love a canned cocktail. I was just going to ask you both about the canned cocktails. I love a canned cocktail as well. Oh, I'm down for anything. that's more efficient. But I tell you, Sina, I just had quite an earthquake of a burp that

tasted like dill and chocolate, and it was not my favorite. It erupted from below. And I just wanted to let you know that that's going to happen in the future. Yeah, you're also going to have some food diet coming out the other end as well. Oh my God. You should thank your lucky stars, Sina, that I remembered that I hurt you the last two times. Because holding an eye on, Jackie, I think I'm going to have to bring them in at some point these sour pickle balls that not only died our whole mouths, but they were the most foul thing, way worse than guppers.

I'm going to have to do that to somebody, probably soon in the future, but not today, everybody. Thank you, everyone, for joining us on this week's episode of page seven. Thank you so much, MJ, for joining us with your tiny tip-top while you're on family trip. Thank you so much, Sina, for joining us. in the middle of the fury of all of the Leo birthdays that you're surrounded by.

Excuse me. Your wife is a Cuspi. I forgive. You forgive. You forgive me. And thank you so much for coming. Sina, where can we find you?

Oh, at Sina now on all the socials, also foreign reports show. And Frotsters is back now. We're just doing our, we did Eric Adams, and now we're doing our Vince McMahon series. Awesome.

And where can we find that? That's, you know, Frotsters. FM. Oh, we have a Patreon there now. Hell yeah. Podcast. Again, I love doing this show, guys. Thank you.

Thank you so much. For reminding me that America is cooked. You know, yeah. And it's just, but in more ways than one. Isn't it nice to know? It's not just in your arena. It's in our arena as well. And we thank you all for joining us on page 7.

My name is Jackie Zabrowski. You can follow me on Instagram at Jack That Worm. Come on, hang out. I got a couple of shows out there. YouTube.com slash at LPN Romantasy. You can check that out. You can check out YouTube.com. slash at Who's the B?

But also don't forget, come watch the full video. YouTube.com slash at page 7 pod. You can watch this and second helpings every week. Get on over there. Give it a follow. You'll know when it drops. MJ. You can join our Patreon.

Patreon.com slash page seven podcast. We've got content for you there every single day of the week. And you can email us at page seven podcast at gmail.com. We love hearing from you. You guys are wonderful. but the most wonderful of all is Sina. We love you. We love you.

We love you. Please. We can't wait to have you back. Everybody, have a great week. This show is made possible by listeners like you. Thanks to our ad sponsors. You can support our shows by supporting them. For more shows like the one you just listened to,

go to lastpodcastnetwork.com.