Page 7 - For Good and Blue Balls w/ Natalie Jean

Episode Date: December 4, 2025

This week Jackie and MJ welcome LPN's Natalie Jean, to find out if that thangs green or not, as well as a good bit of the Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade, including the complete disrespect shown to Mrs. Claus! Cynthia and Ariana continue to be attached at the hip in the ashes of the Wicked release, while Miley gives hope to weasel-faced men by announcing her engagement to Maxx Morando! "Stranger Things" Season 5 finally releases the children to their adulthoods, MJ and Jackie explain their love of Dancing with the Stars to Natalie, and Whitney Leavitt revealed she only did the newest season of Secret Lives of Mormon Wives so she could do DWTS, followed by an analysis of her dancing skills from expert Natalie! Then it's time for a list of 12 Facts That I learned That Sound Very Fake But Are Actually 100% REEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLL, the Blindz, and a psychologically traumatizing 2parter Jackie's Snackies starts 'round 1:09:19.403 with MJ's Minute Munchies 'round 1:19:00.137 that runs until 1:24:52.074. All that and more on this week's Page 7!Want even more Page 7? Support us on Patreon! Patreon.com/Page7Podcast Subscribe to SiriusXM Podcasts+ to listen to new episodes of Page 7 ad-free.Start a free trial now on Apple Podcasts or by visiting siriusxm.com/podcastsplus. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

And J. Natalie I've heard it said That people come into our lives For reason Bringing something we must learn And we are led to those Who help us most to grow at me you'll be with me

The other part of it Like a handprint on my heart And now whatever way Our stories end I know you have rewritten mine By being my friend Are you Natalie is cringing

I will keep You're about to take it No I'm not going to take it to the best part Natalie hates it Your voice is beautiful me. Yeah, I'm blue. I'm all, I'm for good and blue balls in you. Right out the gate, everybody. We're like, green. You're right. Is her pussy green? Thank you for bringing it up because, you know what, Holden wasn't here. And I appreciate you didn't bring up as her pussy green. But while we watch the Macy's Thanksgiving Day parade on Jackin, because we always watch it every year, of course, Cynthia Revo did open up the parade by not singing wicked. She was singing something else, but that's fine. I don't even remember. what it was. And because the entire time Holden and I just kept screaming, is your pussy green?

Because she was very offended because of how many people have asked her if her pussy is also green. Yes, I know this because Henry and I were watching it in the car on the way to my grandmother's memorial. Oh, so you heard a screaming is her pussy green on your way to the memorial. Do you think that it helped with watching? What did it do for your grief? The ashes flies. Why? Did it? It did because, you know, we were exhausted. It was a long trip up. They live very up deep in the cut of Michigan. So, and it was Thanksgiving Day. We were seeing a lot of family. It was a lot, a lot of feelings. And it kept Henry from jerking the wheel, I think. So you saved their lives. And hopefully jerking off. And I think that both of those, you don't want to do on the way to a memorial. He got weirdly horny. I get it. I know. It's honestly, it's Tom Turking. There's something about Tom Turkey.

He's winking at you, winking at you. And then he pulls up that top hat and he's got a little chick under there. Yeah, he was also, he's at my grandmother's memorial. Tom Turkey was. I mean, honestly, I wish that we could have just like ushered the parade to your grandmother's memorial so that like Shaggy is there. Buster Rhymes is there. Yes. Because he did.

Oh, my God. The shaggy medley, we were all gifted on Thanksgiving morning going, breezily from it wasn't me into like Mr. Bombastic and it was just everything I never knew I needed while I got drunk at 5.30 in the morning with my friend. It was a great. I think the consensus on the parade is that it was for us, us meaning millennials. It was not for the children. Ciara was there. Let me see you want to step. Yes. Oh, this is our time to shine, huh? Yeah. We're finally old. And we finally. The turtles were there. Yes. We reign supreme. I didn't see the Turtles. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. And the Jolly Green Giant was there. And of course, do I thirst for him

every year? Yes, I do. Yeah, he's always there. Guys, were to figure out which float you'd like to kiss. Would there be a float that you would like to kiss? Because up there for me, Tom Turkey, and obviously, Jolly Green Giant. But I may have chosen the only, but what do you think about Smokey the bear? You know, I think he follows the rules too much. Yeah, it's a bit of a narc. He's a cop. Yeah. Although, is he, though, like, do you consider? No, I think he's like a national parks.

He's a public service. He's a, yeah, he's like, that's, you know. Okay, yeah, that's true. Yeah, and he's watching out for everybody. I can't even. I can't even. I can't even. Google this, like, like, the hottest thing.

What do you mean? I need to review, like, most fuckable Thanksgiving floats, but I can't because nobody else has ever thought about that. Google's going to just be like, do you need help? Yeah. That's, did you? Are you? I didn't need to say that.

I don't. You must surely have meant something different. It was interesting that I, maybe this is like a Mandela effect. I don't know. Is Mrs. Claus always up with Santa Claus up on the top tier of the parade at the end? Because I guess she's not usually. And in my brain, I would have gone to my head, been like, I would have put my life on the line that Mrs. Clause sat up there with Mr. Clause.

But this time, she was just down and off to the side. Like nobody gives a fuck about her. Who's keeping everything running? That's how you make American Great again. Yes. Put her back in that kitchen. What else are you good for? Your complaint is that she was not sitting alongside him.

She was literally like subjugated below him. Uh-huh. Okay. Yeah. I do feel like it's usually just him because he's kind of the main event. but I hear what you're saying is that behind it to change, you know, behind every powerful man, is there a woman doing a lot of the labor? And perhaps, we need a, oh, we need a wicked style of Mrs. Claus's origin story.

Oh, my God, her sapphic original story. Yes, that is what we need because, man, I was watching Wicked Part 2 for Good yesterday. And really, the entire thing could be summed up with the tagline of just, Dot, dot, dot, dot, bitches, right? Because it's crazy how bitches sometimes can go from being like, I hate you, I hate you, I hate you, to be like, my life has been changed because you're in it. And we, not that we, you know, drop on a dime here,

but it is interesting that that is a lot of, you know, this is really pulling apart female friendships, I think, as a whole. I think it's, it's disgusting a lot of that. I think that it makes a lot of sense as someone that, we've watched all the PR for Wicked, it does make sense that they are so connected. I mean, could you imagine? I think they're trauma bonded. Maybe trauma bonded. Maybe that's what it is. Something's going on. Something's going on on that set. Everybody on that set got weird. It's like there's like, there's a James Stevenson Children's book about a little boy who goes into a haunted house and then he comes out an old man because it was so scary.

Wait, wait, that's a kid's book. That's terrifying. Yeah. It's, I mean, it's not even the whole plot of the book. It's just like he's a, he's a grandpa telling a story to his kids about going to this haunted house. But then, it's a sidebar of his story. I'd love to hear the rest of his story that that wasn't the biggest, craziest thing that

happened in his life. And I referenced this book all the time. And I don't think anyone else knows what I'm talking about. There was, but there was a series of picture books about like a little boy with a mustache, but it was a grandpa telling stories about his childhood. But in the stories, he's a little boy, but he always has a mustache. But then in this part about this book about the haunted house, he goes into the haunted house as a little boy, and then he comes out an old man. And I really feel like that is what happened to the cast of Wicked. Like they all went in to like some vortex.

Yes, exactly. And then they all came out. And they've all lost 50 pounds. And they're all weird now. you know like even people who weren't weird before are weird now and so but i'm glad you saw it jackie i hope you had a great time and i know just from talking before the show that you did a lot of singing i did a lot of singing i made a lot of friends it was definitely one of those this was a showing over a week after the movie came out and so i was like all right jeff said that he would go with me and i literally had said to him earlier that day because i'm an insane person that you don't love wicked enough and I wish that I wasn't just seeing it with just you because you don't care enough about wicked and I did say that to my husband and he took it patiently and he said but

I did enjoy the first movie and I'd like to see the second movie with you if you'd allow me to and I said fine but then I showed up at the movie theater and I tell y'all what that shit was full of bitches and those bitches were there to hoot and holler and sing and I tell you. I tell you that during the, I guess, you know, spoiler, not spoiler, the sexy and tense song. I mean, Jonathan Bailey, like, undoes two of his buttons at the same time. And the whole theater went mad. And I was like, ah, like, it was so funny. I have to get out.

Jeff loved it. He was so happy that, like, I was there with my people. We're all, like, high-fiving and dancing together. And because it is, and you know what, I hear Kara. I hear my good friend Kara Scraech it in my ears of like Nobody gives a fuck about the second half It's all about for good

Nobody and I was like But the second half Is where all the plot happens Okay And I think it's fun How they tie it into the original And I think that a lot of people are angry about it But I think that it's fun

That the Tin Man and the Scarecrow Are both done practically By the way That's a lot of fun Oh really? Yes and it's honestly The Tin Man very scary because if you think about it

a human turned into a tin man is probably going to be that's why MJ you were talking about bringing your kids to it but I don't know if they can hang with this movie it is not like the first movie for those of you that are unaware and want to bring children to it it is sad, it is dark, it is scary

and it's about bitches fighting and it's about all bitches of fighting y'all the original Oz books are a little creepy but they're very fun reads for kids if you ever read them Yeah, well, right. We love Wizard of Oz and we love Wicked One. And so, and they want to see Wicked Two. And I wanted to see Wicked 2. And I did try to see Wicked 2 this weekend so I could be timely. And it was all sold out because apparently it got to be enough of a Wicked head to plan way ahead for the Thanksgiving weekend release of Wicked.

Oh, in fact, even then, MJ, it came out the week before. That's how crazy people are about, see, like that it, like, it was still. completely full all through Thanksgiving weekend, which is why I had to go on a Monday. Good for them. Yeah. I would almost question because I don't, I'm not a wicked person. I tried reading the book. I think I've already said this on the show. I tried to read the book like 15 years ago and I just didn't even, it was, I wasn't vibing with it. Just wasn't your thing. So I never like got into the musical or anything. But it obviously is a sweeping epic production where they're, you know, amidst each other for, months at a time. And it's interesting to see like, you know, if you see like a Lord of the Rings, that kind of thing, they're all like best friends and they seem happy together

and they have matching tattoos. And this does feel a little bit more like they went to a war. Yes. And I'm wondering. Is there something to be said about them having to just interact with nothing? Are they just associating? Because the entire movie has to be shot on green screen, right? Well, a lot of the sets are practical. I think that's a lot of practical. I think that's the thing. I think that what happened is because it actually is a practical set and it's like a whole universe that they entered, I think that they've had a bit of a psychic break where they've been living in the constructed world of Wicked and they have lost touch with this world and they have transcended into the actual world of Wicked. Yeah, lost their friggin minds because also they made a three hour movie and then they made a two and a half hour movie back to back filming. They did not stop in between filming.

That's crazy. Also, I am going to say, it could have been one movie. Wow. All right, guys, it could have been one movie. We could, I think that we, there's a lot. I don't think the second half, while I love the story. And I like, I feel like, I appreciated that they didn't want to fuck with the timeline. They didn't want to fuck with the part one and the part two, because also, you know the people that are sicklers for the musicals that are going to be.

They're going to make more money. They're going to make more money. They're going to, exactly, all this, the movie, we didn't need it to be a whole second. We really didn't. I will say the three banger, banger, banger, banger songs that the second part ends with, I mean, sent me. It really is by the end, you get the three big songs, and which are my three favorite, like, some of my three favorite songs of Wicked. so you end with such a like that it's like

I forgot that I was upset the first, you know, hour and a half of just like, all right, guys, come on, come here. That's like the way they split that last Harry Potter movie into two. I never even watched that one. Honestly, I didn't even, I couldn't even possibly it was such a money grab and

like half of it was just like them walking through the woods and like, why is this two movies? It's stupid. At that point you're like, okay, well, this You're just, yeah, you're sprinkling them out. I see what you're doing. But, you know, I guess I'm like, I really am going back and forth on Wicked. On the one hand, I have really enjoyed the process of learning that I do love Wicked a little bit. I have enjoyed the music. But also, I will say what I learned on Dancing with the Stars Wicked Night is that I'm a bit of a Wicked greatest hits person. Like, I feel like there are about four songs from that musical that I really want to hear on repeat. But maybe that's because I haven't seen it enough. And so, but also I'm like, It's nice to have a movie that everyone's so excited about as all the kids are talking about it. It's, you know, I love a big, big mass cultural phenomenon, which is, I think, why it's just so hard to be so profoundly annoyed by Ariana Grande and Cynthia Arrivo, especially because every time I see Cynthia Arrivo, I am in love with her in every way, except her personality when she's with Ariana Grande. And I guess I just have to accept we all contain multitudes.

And she is both admirable and annoying at the same time. Yeah. And I would also maybe add to that that I'm not defending Ariana Grande because I think she obviously has done some kind of horrible things. But that press tour would be... She does not deserve the crazy eye. I mean, it's like, I feel it is, it gets to a point where you're just like, all right. Well, now you're just like making weird kind of like sexist, racist things, jokes and stuff. And you're like, all right. but I do think that level of press tour would take a mental toll eventually and I think that's actually going back into it again

imagine last year and then having I can't imagine the trauma of doing all of this PR with the same people how do you not like I feel like my brain be like is it this year, is it last year? Is it the many years we were shooting this? Is this like their brains must be so flat? Yeah and I do think that trauma bond part

is real to an extent that the two of them are pushed past their mental limits all the time. And so, like, yeah, it's funny when they're, like, upset about the helicopter, but also I can see them literally. Because they're traumatized, but really is. Everyone was like, were they in Vietnam? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's funny, obviously. And it is getting people to talk about them.

But I do think they are sincerely probably pushed beyond, like, a mental capacity of any. any normal human being. Yes. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Sincerely broken. Like, that's,

I do feel like like their weirdness is authentic at this point. Like, they have truly lost touch with reality. Although I was so excited because I believe it was on Thanksgiving Day.

I didn't send any text message on Thanksgiving day. I forgot to call my mother on Thanksgiving. Like, it was just such a crazy day. But the one thing I did see was that Ariana Grande and Cynthia Revo, I will say this has now been debunked,

but I was so excited because they, it had been, that they said they were in a non-demi-curious, semi-binary relationship. And I laughed and I laughed and I laughed and I laughed. And then I realized that it was, I got poo craved. I got a little poo craved. But it made me laugh so much that it would have been funny if they had said that.

And could you imagine how the internet, because that's why I thought it was like, oh, my God, this is about to fucking explode. And it was just a joke. This is satirical. article. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it was a satirical article, although this news source, which debunks this claim, also claims that

Ariana Grande is still in a relationship with Ethan Slater. And I know that that has not been definitively, like we have gotten the, we all know it's over. Oh, I thought it was declared. It wasn't? I don't think it has been declared over. No, everybody said that he's gone back to his wife. He finally went back to the life that he tried to destroy.

he realized, oh, I, you know, I will throw it out there, though. He did a great, Bach did a great job. He did, like, Ethan Slater is, is a wonderful performer. She has to see something in him. I guess. He's a great performer. He really is, like, even with the small, like, it is, he nails it. Really?

Because I feel like in the first one, I was like, you destroyed an entire family for him, but you're telling me he, fuck. He does a job. He didn't say, I want to be sucking on it. He also destroyed his family, you know. He also destroyed the family. I want to put that in there. You're right.

He also did. But also, why did his wife take? I would never. Take him back? Oh my. I think, I mean, father of child that she just had. So probably. You're right.

And I do tend to blame Ariana for Ethan Slater's actions. And he is an autonomous human being. And he is the most one to blame. And I want to be clear about that. I just imagine like, I feel like, you know, you're living on this pastel set and everything. and you're falling in love with Ethan Slater and you're wrecking your own relationship

and he's wrecking his relationship and then I feel like you emerge you know it's like coming out of a movie during the daytime and you're like rubbing your eyes and like you emerge from the set and then you like look over at him and like the regular light and you're like

oh right this is SpongeBob I forgot oh this is like I got ridiculed online again for this I caused a two year long discourse for because of this person left his infant for me. Yeah, I just, I, you know, I guess, I guess I'll hand it to Bach. I don't know. I, um, I need more. I want, I don't want it to end. I got to admit I'm a little bit

afraid of the Wicked Press tour ending because it does, it is given us what we've been talking about, it's like we went to college, you know, it's like three years of talking about Wicked. We've been talking about it for a long time. Was Ariana still with her husband when that started? She was with, she was with, because it was definitely a real estate. Dalton? I don't know why I specifically remember his name is Dalton. Yes, you're right. You're right. His name is Dalton. The name is bad. I just, I don't know why I looked at him. It was like, Dalton, this guy? You married this guy? Yeah, he's fine. Yeah, yes. And it was. He is an, he is an attractive person. It's just more of like, I just was surprised, I think. I think we all were. I think she was. And she looks, if you go look at pictures of Arianna Grande with Dalton Gomez, which again was only like, you know, two and a half years ago now, she looks. She looks. I think we look. I think we look at. I think she looks. like a completely different person. Oh, yeah. And yeah, I mean, I just, it was, but you're right, it was a double, double homewrecker. She left her partner and he left his partner. And so, yes, they are both mutually accountable for that choice. But then how do we feel about Miley and Weaselface?

Yeah, I'm only referring to him as Weaselface. I know that there's some sort of collaborators in some fashion, but they are engaged. It came out today that Miley Cyrus and Max Morando are engaged after they been dating for four years. Yeah, I love Miley, but I don't, I didn't know she was with somebody. You know, the thing is, he's forgettable. He, I feel, I guess I should apologize, because

I think I only referred to him as weasel face. He is a singer. He's fine. He's just like, you know, I'm sure he's got a zest, you know? I think she's, it's so radiant. That's the thing. She's just, to me, Miley Cyrus is.

She's the ultimate. She's so hot. She's the hottest of all the hot people. She's just, and it's just, but also, isn't it nice? You know, is it that nice? Can we say, for all our weasel, for our weasel faces out there, you know, I don't discriminate against it. It's like, I'm down, you know, every once in a while, I'll kiss on a shark face. I'll kiss on a weasel face.

I think his hair, I think you're, I think you're more upset about his hair. I honestly, and it is a fun, youthful, and I understand, this is a youthful haircut. I'm not against Mullet's either. A youthful haircut is a very older woman thing to say. It's because, all right, you know what it is? MJ, everyone has commented on my youthful haircut. And I think it's specifically, though, I got like a bit of a wolf cut ass. It looks great, though.

But I think it's literally only people are telling me it's youthful. I think you can see my gray's way more. But also, I have a middle part for the first time in a very long time. And I think that alone is why people say that it's youthful haircut. This I identify as youth. Yeah, it's given youth. It's like it's somebody, it looks like an old person haircut to me. I know that.

He looks like Bob Dylan. And I mean that to some that would be like, oh, that is a person I'd like to have sex with. And that is not true for me. And I think that's great, MJ. I don't want to have sex with that person. Max Morando is his name. But I do want to have sex with a young Bob Dylan.

I would. I would. Also, just to note that she's 33 and he's 27. of it. And that's fine. I'm not at all concerned about that age difference or anything. But when you consider the fact that they've been dating for four years, that means he was a 23-year-old man, which we all know is, you know, those guys are just, that's the best for that's what you're going after. Yeah. Merging into consciousness as an adult. And she was, you know, what, 29, but Miley Cyrus, she's a, she's, I just, I feel like Miley Cyrus gives.

gives off now, especially after everything that she has come through, she gives very wise, very mature, like maybe I'm projecting because I just love her so much, but I feel like, you know, she had her wild girl era and then she came out and she's like, I'm something else now and I'm like this older version of me. And she's with, it's, what I'm saying is it's like your first boyfriend. And this is not her first boyfriend. No. The Hemsworth was her first married, you know, so it's, he's, he is like, he's either a rebound guy. or like your first boyfriend. I'm surprised to hear he is now going to be like second husband material.

But honestly, though, I'm immediately reading into just a little bit about him. Maybe I've got shit on my hat. And that is the phrase everybody knows. What? He seems like this young person is very, very talented and they actually collab on a lot of stuff together. He's known for playing drums, but he plays multiple instruments and works with her. He is a fashion designer and has helped create some of her looks. with her and they've been yeah they've been I guess working together they were working together

before they were dating but no not before they were dating because they met on a blind date and she said we got put on a blind date well it's blind for me and not really for him and I just thought well the worst I can happen is I leave and now she's married the mother fucker mylie Cyrus you know I just to me crazy a blind date with Miley Cyrus Please. I just feel like that. I just think that, like, that's a crazy, could you imagine going into knowing that she's Miley Cyrus being like, oh, God, I'm just a 23-year-old rat face. And then he goes in and he sticks the landing. I mean, he must be pretty cool. He's got to have something going on. That's it. He's got to have something. And also, look at these pictures of them together. They're cute. They look really happy. They do look legitimate. I, you know what, guys, wow. In this. I'm taking it all.

I immediately feel bad for what I said. It seems like they're cute together. To me, I think it's the mangs. The mangs are... And also, you know what it is? He's a tousled boy. So the mangs really so disheveled that it's like, does he have windows to the soul under there?

Not quite sure. Yeah, what's he hiding? I'm telling you, look at these. There's pictures from the night that they got engaged and they're at the sushi restaurant and he's smiling. And I do think that a haircut like that can be off-putting in pictures because it's just so you're like, oh, you're going to be a little piss boy, aren't you?

But then when you see him smile and you're like, you're not a piss boy, you're a nice boy. Oh, they do look happy. Maybe we do have shit on our hats. We have shit on our hats. Guys, you know what? Can we clean off our hats before we, you know, just step back out into the rain and let it splatter amongst our noses. That old turn of phrase.

I've been watching Stranger Things, you know. And so I do think that there is something to be said for what's going on with his hair is not entirely negative. I'm looking at it like, should I get that haircut? Bro, you wouldn't rock it. Yeah. Like it's a bit of Steve Harrington. Thank you. I'm like, I don't hate it.

I don't hate it. So I want to, I just want to name that that it is, I think, a stupid haircut that can look good. It is a very Steve-coated haircut. Very, very Steve-Harrington-coated haircuts. Are you a strangey? I only watched the first, just the first one-and-a-half seasons maybe, but I do find their pop culture lore interesting. Yeah.

Yeah, MJ's started watching. I fell off, I think, the third season, I believe. I liked when they were kids. I felt weird when they were, like, doing the puberty stuff. And I was just like, this is probably not for me right now. I don't know. fine. It's not like it's weird. It just is like, eh, just not your, not your

jams right now. No. I think that that's, I think that it's one of those things, I think especially because it started off so strong in season one and it felt so unique and it felt so fun and it was also a different era of streaming when like stuff like wasn't coming out all the time and like everybody watched it.

It was 2016 and it was and you know, I'm married to a Gen X tabletop Dungeons and Dragons guy. So he was, he really like stranger things. And so I think for that reason, we've always, you know, stayed with it. And watching it now, I am enjoying it more than I thought I would. And I also, I just think that it's inescapable to, you cannot watch Stranger Things without being like, should this have stopped already?

Like, for the kids, should it have stopped? For the story, should it have stopped? For Millie Bon Jovi, which she did change her name legally to Millie Bon Jovi. Do they have a kid? Oh, they have a kid. Oh, yeah. I can't believe 11's a mother. Oh, I know.

That's what I'm saying. It's like, release them. But I guess also think of the money. So, I mean, I think they're fine. I think they're doing just fine. And I do remember in 2016 talking about the kids and being like, I just hope they all make it through this okay. And I think that it's been ups and downs, obviously.

I think I still maintain my stance that child acting in general should be illegal. But since it's not, I think that it is. ultimately, like watching season five, yes, it's just, it's weird because, it's weird because they're all in their early 20s and it's fine. Like, Riverdale, they were all in their late 20s, playing high schoolers. And so that's fine. But it's just, we all know that it's been like nine years and in the show it's been, there's a lot of weird time stuff. And then Holly, who is, Mike's little sister starts off. She's like four. And now in this season, she's, I think, supposed to be eight, but she is played by an obvious 14 year old.

It is, everyone's like, what is going on with the age here? So you just have like... She's got the Dawn treatment, right? A little bit of Buffy in there. A little bit of Buffy, yes, exactly. Michelle Tractonberg is 14 acting like a 10-year-old. It is giving dawn, absolutely. And so I think it's just like...

But also, sidebar, we just finished season five of Buffy and go watch us, watch almost in silence as we watch the final episode of season five of Buffy over on the Patreon, just throwing it out there. Yeah, we've just stopped talking on our watchalongs now when we just watch it. Because it's so good. In tears.

Yeah, I'm going to get in there at some point. So fucking good. It is very good. Buffy is very good. And yeah, Stranger Thinks Season 5, fine. If you want to talk about it, you know, sound off in the comments. I would like to hear people of thoughts. Was it the last season?

Yes. This is now they are released. And it does kind of feel like, okay, you all started when you were 10. Yep. Now you're all 20. And now it's like, it does kind of feel like, okay, we captured you for your childhood. And now we're launching you into adulthood. and, you know, go for it.

Figure that out. Figure that out. I know that Millie has a farm, which is, seems like very nice. Like, it's very far away from Hollywood and it seems like maybe a good thing. She seems shockingly well adjusted. Yes. Yeah. And really is trying to live a full life outside of Hollywood.

And I think that's really awesome. Good for her. I hope that they continue on in this seemingly well-adjusted relationship. It seems like everything. Of course, every. Everything rips the two of them apart on the internet of like, Has he even ever touched the baby? They're so fucking, okay.

They're so cruel to her. I hate watching people tear her apart on like Reddit and stuff. I know. Get a life. She's barely an adult. I know. Let her be. Yeah, but do we let her be?

Let that little bonjo v. When we both reach for the gun, the gun, the gun, we both reach for the gun. Yeah, I'm talking about Chicago because we have to talk about Whitney Levitt. I'm sorry, Natalie, you hate Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. Although I don't take it. I just don't, it's not, I can't, I can't cutify the religion at this point.

I completely understand. And you're right. You are the right. We're wrong. We're wrong. Yes. No, you're not wrong. But it's good that we, you know, we've got us all,

but how do you feel? I wanted to ask you how you felt because I don't know if you knew this or if you'd been on since MJ and I've been obsessed with dancing with the stars. We've really lost, we lost ourselves. this season. We have been changed for good. We have been changed for good. Neither one of us had ever seen an episode.

And then we became rabid fans. Obsessed. As a dancer, does that make you filled with rage? Or do you like that be? Because now I'm like, if I, like, stick that leg with the Argentine tango. Like, I feel like I now know. I love people are into dance. Even once you think you can dance started.

I think it's great to have people be into dance and also letting it gives a little bit more allowance for like masculine or mask people to embrace dancing a little bit more because you know in the 90s it was like boys had to be so secretive or Russian it was one or the other you could be a balerie you could be a Russian male ballerina or that's it they call them dancers they're not called ballerinas really wait why because it's a feminine term ballerinas you can't call them baller They're just not, they're just not, they're just not called it. What? They're called dancers. Wow. Now, but then would you, if you were specifically a ballet dancer, would you be offended, like if you were a male, I called you a ballerina. Yes. And then I said, oh, sorry, you're a dancer.

You have to specify, oh, I'm sorry, you're a ballet dancer. Yeah, you're a ballet dancer. You have to say ballet dancer. Yeah. Yeah. That makes sense to me. It's good for us to know these things. Yeah, for sure.

And I mean, now there's also so many openly queer guys in dance where when I was growing up, you had to try to hold on to like whatever masculinity you could. Do you're like embracing that because you were otherwise you were like talked down to and stuff? Oh, yeah. But now there's like a lot of masculine dancers or mass dancers who do point and embrace all that. Back in the 90s, it was like the. The only ballet company that did that was Ballet Trocadero, which is essentially drag queens doing ballet, and it was comedy, and it was fantastic. They're still around.

Yeah, do they still put on shows? Oh, my God. That sounds awesome. But it's the only place that masked dancers could do point and wear tutus and stuff. And now that's not so much the case. But, yes, Ballet Trocadero is still around, I'm sure. I haven't seen them recently, but we're obsessed with them in the 90s and the 2000s. Yeah, how could, I mean, that sounds amazing.

honestly, this goes hand in hand with MJ and I just recorded our celebrities episode, which go check it out over on the Patreon. And we were talking about Tim Curry's youth because we were finding it very fascinating that he's actually a lot more stodgy of a human being than his characters let on. But he was a very, and like for excuse, like less of an excuse of a different word from back then, like he was a flamboyant child. And so what like he really, it seemed strong. with the fact that he, like, was being raised in the 40s, but wanted to sing and wanted to

dance. Raised in the 40s is so crazy to think of us. Yeah. Yeah. No, he's a, the, the Tim Curry book ended up being, being really fascinating. But, like, so I've, and apparently dancing with the stars is also very, like, they've done, like, same-sex ballroom partners, which is, I guess, big news in the dance world. like they are, you know, they have like,

that's awesome, push boundaries around gender in the dance world, which, you know, Jackie and I are new to it, but we've been getting a lot of messages about Dancing with the Stars, and it's really cool to see all of the different, and one of the things that they did was being like, we can see, you know, two men doing a ball and dance together. I love that. That's awesome. Yes.

And we so. I think you might love Dancing with the Stars and maybe next season you might run on. A lot of times the same way so you think you can dance. I can't watch people's heart like dreams get crushed so I like watching the choreography and I watch a lot of the choreography on YouTube and stuff

I just don't watch the show You don't watch you don't want the results and like them getting dragged and stuff I also love so you think you can dance by the way It is actually though But it is like dance which I think is interesting where even the negative stuff which I appreciate about the judges

it is to make them better dancers Back in the day was so you think you can dance there was a lot of humiliation core stuff They don't do that anymore. Now it really is like, even the, like, Carrie Annanaba is the one that people are like, boom! And she's like, I'm trying to make them better. I'm trying to give them notes. It's very positive, yeah.

But one of the very bizarre things that happened to this season is that it turns out that Whitney Levitt from Secret Lives and Mormon Lives, who is a pretty big villain in season one and then kind of a little bit of, like, at least an effort at redemption in season two, and I'm still working my way through season three. Season three, she's just not the biggest villain of them all. But what they ripped her apart for on the internet is that she openly said on the show and on Dancing with the Stars, I am literally only on Season 3 of Secret Lives of Mormon Wives because they said if I didn't, I wouldn't be able to audition for Dancing with the Stars. And I want to be on Dancing with the Stars. So I'll do your fucking reality show so that I can be on Dancing with the Stars.

And she did. And everyone was like, boo, you can't say that that. It's like, why? She lifted the curtain. She was just like straight up. They told me I had to do this or else I couldn't do this and I'm going to do it. Totally. And also, not for nothing, she turned out to be one of the great talents of the season, which was a real shock for all of us because she's a frigid bitch in real life.

But can dance like, I mean, as a non, right, I don't know what I'm talking about, but she seems to be a stunning dancer. My question with the dancing with the stars thing, because it seems like sometimes when people go in, they have a dance background, which seems unfair to me. So is she a dancer? She did, she did. Well, do we know? I think what we've heard is people's... Oh, well, there you go. I think she majored in dance.

Also, apparently, Natalie, maybe you know this. We've gotten letters saying Mormons love to dance. Like, Mormon children do dance. They do dance a lot. Yeah, there's a lot of, especially, I mean, ballerina farm is one of them, almost notorious.

Oh, God, of chorus. But I would throw it out there, Nat, that she hadn't, it seemed, or at least that's what she was saying, is that like, can you pull up a picture of her, like, yeah, I'm saying, I want to see. I can probably gauge how much trained she is. I want you.

Yes, I want your opinion on this. She had three children and got married and had a full life in the like eight years that she didn't touch dancing. And then she just, and she really, you know, the Dancing with Star Show is so fun because you really do get to see like a different side of a person. And it's like it is so corny, but you watch Dancing with a Star Show. with the stars and you're just like, this is who you can be. Like, I like her so much more after seeing her dance because I'm like, there is something beautiful inside

of you that we don't see on this on the show. Okay, wait, I have to, I have to scope. God damn it, stop this one. Oh, wait, no, it is. Okay. So, I'm just giving Natalie right now. Just so we might end up April, we might end up taking this out. I believe, and this is Whitney Levitt's

Halloween performance, and they do oh my God, Halloween night, Natalie. Also, again, April, you might end up taking all this out, not quite sure. Halloween night, they all do spooky shit. And this is like halfway through the competition. We need to see a professional dancer's opinion about this dancing bitch because also we're talking about this because she just got a part, she got, she fucking launched herself from Dancing with the Stars onto Broadway because she did so good on Dancing with Stars. So that is why I brought it up. So she is cast as Roxy Hart. Oh yeah.

She has technical training for sure. For those that have seen the movie of Chicago that is played by Renee Zellweger, so she's got the Renee Zellweger part. And I actually, you know, but the thing is, is can she act? Can she act and can she sing? And can she sing? But obviously she got the part. So my opinion on the, yeah.

Oh, yeah, she has some training. Yeah, for sure. Can you see with the extension? Yes. Yeah. One or other words. It's her lines. You can tell usually by her lines.

The lines. They're always talking about lines. You're always looking for the lines. They love lives. It's just crazy to me that they learn these dances in the week leading up to the dance. I mean, for sure. That would be so fun to me. But yeah, like your whole job is just learning choreography for a week would be so fun.

Oh, my God. I want to do it too. I want to do it desperately. I said to Jeff, I was like, how do I figure out someday I'm going to be on dancing with the stars? And he looked at me, he's like, do you really want that? Could you imagine how difficult and how scary it must be and how vulnerable it must be? To do something you have no idea how to do live in front of millions of people. And I was like, yeah.

I feel like you have to. I know. I think if you commit a white collar crime. I'll get on it. Yeah. Like, it seems like they really bring on a lot of weird people. Do I do? Do I?

Or you have like a really bad, like, spiral. like you have a crash out that's a public thing and then you redeem yourself then you get to be on the show I could do that Yep Yep My opinion with the Broadway thing is

That kind of sucks To me the stunt casting of it Because there are literally people Crawling on their hands Ineaster broken glass Who are so talented And then she just like Gets to like waltz in

I'm with you on that That kind of sucks but But point counterpoint I am in no way comparing Whitney Leavitt as a talent to the immense talent of somebody like a... Of a good way. No, but I'm thinking of a, of a, like a, I don't, would we call it stunt casting when you get like a really famous person

like Jinks Monsoon or like Jenna Maron? You know, not Jenna Maroney. Gena Moroni. No, we're going with Jenamorone. We'd love to see Jenna Moroni do it. It is her, it's her, the actress who plays Jenna Maroney is now doing. the one that Jinks,

the O'Mary play. Oh, that's awesome. What is her, what is her act? Jane Krakowski. Thank you. I was like that. But she's a seasoned theater performance. And so is Jinks.

Yeah. But so, okay, so it's more like, so the stunt casting bit is more the fact that Whitney Levin is truly not an actor dancer, singer, or like, you know, did the, she did the, I almost feel like

giving the hours to the time of like the toil of it is part of the thing it makes yeah maybe I'm bit am I bitter maybe oh you just get to go a reality show

because of your weird creepy cult religion and now you get to go to Broadway because of her husband sex like day I'm sorry porn addiction porn addiction but he also has a bad past

he has a bad pass too guess what most of those LDS guys do because they're basically forced into being weird sex creeps by their religion yeah yeah yeah And then they put him on a TV show. Put him on TV.

They put him on TV show. They put him on Broadway. No, I hear you. But he seems to be one of the only husbands actually is good. So I try to not, you know, hold it against him. Yeah, I don't trust in him.

He apologized for his porn addiction and we accept that apology and we keep it moving. The idea of the LDS, they don't even know what porn addiction is. They call looking at porn once a month porn addiction. Oh, no. Then somebody better put me away.

Yeah, it's ridiculous. And then they go like, bad, you're bad. You're bad for looking at it. Yes. You're shame. And then they internalize it and then they become weirder. Yeah.

And then they dance. Yeah. And they dance their little hearts out. They take it to the dance floor. God. No, if LDS Church would just change their, their programs into like, if you look at porn, dance it out. Dance it out. I would say, hey, this is great.

Honestly, it's kind of great. It's like the Michelle Obama arms movement. You know, it's like, it's also, it's just like, let's get moving here. You know, let's move this through our body. I love all of this and I'm excited for you to now I've decided in my brain Natalie that you're also going to watch Dancing with the Stars

next season and I'm excited for your journey Didn't the Irwin boy win? Yes Oh look into that lust out of your eyes Oh it's the lust is inappropriate He's my son and then we're proud of him He's a baby We raised him up and he's such a lovely young man

Yes we Josh grobend the hell out of him And we're not groven on him though you what, we leave that grobin for somebody else. But he did a wonderful job. He's wonderful. And he's a child. Well, yeah. He was 21 years old. But in my brain. The Irwin clan seems very lovely in general. Lovely people. I've said it before and I'll say it again. He is the Zoran Mamdani of Wildlife Conservation messaging. Every time they put a microphone in front of him, he talks about conserving the natural world, just like his father wanted to do. And then the only thing he cares about. It's the only thing he wants to talk about. And also he loves to dance. And yes,

he deserved it. And the people would have burned the nation to the ground. I would have said everything on fire if he didn't. Yes. I would like as a person who I am in Irwin, I, that's my biolast name. I would like to think we're, you know, related through some distance. We should show up at their zoo and say, let us in. We've got him. I'm in Irwin. Yeah. Also found out at my grandmother's Memorial, by the way, that... Family secrets? Any secret like uncles or anything? Oh, there are... I've learned a few things through the DNA testing,

but I can't say here. Oh. One of my distant relatives put together like an Irwin, what's it called, genealogy book? Yeah. From the 15th century. And our last name was originally Irvine, so I might be related to Travis.

I'd be related to Travis. I always accidentally call Robert Irwin Robert Irvine like he's Travis's brother, which he's not, but I, maybe you're Travis's sister. Yeah, maybe we all are. You're all kids, so none of us should be

kissing is what you're saying. No, no people. We're all technically related. It's like the Johannes Haas that like came all over the world and made all the babies. Yeah, that documentary. That documentary, the guy who Oh, the badman. Yeah, badman who wouldn't stop having babies. He wouldn't stop. He just had to keep on coming. That's not his fault.

Think about his poor penis. And now, while you're thinking about that penis, let's start thinking about the list. Oh, who's on the list. Me. Jackie, got to have that list. These are just 12 facts that I learned and sound very fake but are actually 100% real. Now, this first one I thought was kind of fun as a Sims fissionado over here, that apparently the Sims was almost canceled.

And in fact, only gained interest after a journalist witnessed a journalist witnessed a lesbian kiss during a demo run at E3. And that it got so, people were so excited about it at this time that, um, the heads of EA didn't want them doing something like that at E3, but it happened regardless because that's Sims life, baby. That's the original Sims? It was a while ago. Yeah, it was a while ago that they were going to just like kill it.

But since 1999, they've had huge updates since then. Now, it's crazy the updates. When people are like, Jackie, you still play The Sims, you got to see what can be done on The Sims now. That's great. But I just think it's funny that the reason the Sims survived is the only reason anybody wants to play The Sims, which is to make people kiss. Fuck.

Like that's make people kiss. Woo-hoo again. Woo-hoo one more time. Oh, man, you should have seen when Gideon, man, we kept trying to be like, Gideon, stop trying to have sex with Sina just because he's a werewolf. And I know that he loves to change. And you think, oh, he's this big white wolf now and this is so fun and it's so scary. And, uh, but Gideon, you have a family.

Yeah, a lot of animal magnetism between Gideon and Sina. They would just, they couldn't, they can't, in the Sims, they can't be in the room together without going at it. Yeah, they couldn't keep their paws off each other. It's palpable. Yeah, it's palpable. Pulpable. Yeah, pause.

Did you know that the character of Aunt Gladys and weapons was actually written for another movie? That's all I'm going to say about it. That's it. This is not your fault, Jackie. This is this list's fault. It's the list fault. It's the list fault. Thank you.

Yeah, I appreciate that. But did you know that Jennifer Lopez was not the first celebrity to wear the iconic green Versace dress? Trey Parker? It was Ginger Spice. Wow. Yes, Trey Parker wore it after Jay Lowe wore it. But Jerry Hollowell apparently was the first one. to wear it. I mean, technically after Donatella, but

I mean, you know that bitch is slipping into every single. She got all the dresses on. You know, that's on her. But, you know, I also was thinking of Wicked because L. Frank Baum never planned to write sequels to the Wizard of Oz. And I'm certain he never intended for prequels to happen, but you know what? It did.

I don't know if they had prequels. Was that a thing that existed? Back then? I don't think so. The concept of a prequel. The concept. What made him make the other books? Because I love the...

The sequels to the books are my favorites. I'd prefer those. Osma of Oz is my favorite of the Ospre. And you love Return to Oz, and you're the one... You and Jeff introduced me to return to Oz, and now I'm absolutely obsessed with it, and I'm so sad that I wasn't obsessed with it as a child.

So, apparently, El Frank Baum, he wanted to move on to new fantasies and wrote several other novels. He hoped would take off. None of them sold anywhere. Near as... Anywhere near as well as Oz books. And publishers can...

reminding him which stories actually brought in readers. At the same time, children from all over the country kept sending him letters begging for more adventures in Oz. The pressure from fans and the financial reality of his other books underperforming pushed him back in the series. Man, wow, it's like not that different in that scheme of that. Like, isn't that crazy where he's just like, I thought this was going to be a jumping off point. Oh, no, I'm just doing this forever. Okay. And then he's writing one from the perspective of the, no, there's no romance. Yeah, the rock. underneath the table that had watched that it happened and just like what did the rock think and even the rock has feelings.

But does Gregory McGuire, who wrote the book Wicked on which the musical and movie are based was inspired to write the book by tragic real life events. Oh, MJ's always waiting for the list to get tragic. Oh, they love it when the list gets tragic. Extremely upsetting item on the list. McGuire grew up loving the Wizard of Oz, but he always wondered why some characters were labeled good while others were written. office evil. Does somebody land on his mother? I hope not. Oh, no, it's actually, oh my God.

The early 90s, he began thinking about this more seriously after the murder of a toddler named James Bulger by two older kids, a crime that sparked conversations about whether people are born bad or shaped by the world around them. That tragedy stayed with him and pushed him to explore how society decides who becomes a villain. This was also around the same time as the Gulf War, which showed him the power of propaganda. Jesus. Right. Yikes. Wow. But also, it is crazy because, you know, my husband also really loves the Wizard of Oz books. And I was not aware of the fact that Margaret Hamilton, who played the original Wicked Witch of the West, her career was over after it. Oh, no. She simply could not, she's a handsome woman. She's a handsome woman. She's a handsome woman. She could not get another role because straight up, sadly enough, she looked too much.

like the wicked witch of the West. Yeah, she does look a lot like the wicked witch to the West. That really sucks. Wow. So her shit was dead in the water too. There's so many children who were terrified of her. I was never scared of her as a kid. Really?

So many kids, I think, were so terrified. I can see how that would not. It's sort of like, I was going to, I don't want to keep bringing Harry Potter. I'm sorry. I was going to say Draco Malfoy again. But it's all you're like, you know, it was a large part of both of our specific childhoods. And you're like,

MJ, I forget. Were you in? I wasn't, but I, you know, it was the, it was the water. I was around. Yeah. Or like the kid who played Joffrey. Yes.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That poor kid. Oh my God. At least Draco Malfoy got other parts. Or I guess, you know what? Not really. Not really. I can't think of fucking a damn thing.

There was just a story from, was it last week or two weeks ago where like Tom Fenton made a dazzling Broadway debut as Drakeo Malfoy. Yes. In Harry Potter. As the dad, now he's the dad. And I feel like a lot of people were just like, you're still doing this, you know? But I think that maybe he just can't do anything else, which is sad. Yeah.

It is crazy how many times if I ever try to write Game of Thrones, I only write Throne of Glass every time. And not that I write it very often. I just needed to say it aloud because it does plague my existence, but only via type. Ah, yes. I was just looking at pictures of Joffrey Barathean, and I was trying to see if he was in anything else. He's just, he's very good in that part, but he's so evil in that character. It's like, I think that kind of sticks with you a little bit. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I guess he's been a show called House of Guinness, ain't out of it. He also has, I think both Draco Malfoy and Joffrey Baratheon suffer from interesting-looking child syndrome, where you also, I'm going to highlight the boy from love actually, where, like, you are. are a really interesting looking child, which makes you a great child actor because you're such a unique looking child. And then you have to, because you've now become a child actor, you have to then grow up into whatever adult you're going to look like. And then everyone's like, I don't like this as much as I liked you when you were a weird looking child. Although I'll throw it out there. Jack Gleason, who plays Joffrey Baratheon, I think he's grown into a great character face. Like, I feel like that, like his older version of it with like a little bit

longer, a little bit more facial hair. I haven't actually looked at him recently. He's, he's, he's like, uh, yeah. I can see him being like an interesting character. And he doesn't look as Joffrey. No, you know, I feel like, he's un-joffrey. I feel like he's taken pains to push himself from that. From that.

Oh, crap. It's, okay, yeah. Oh, sorry, we're already in a list. I'm sorry. I thought we were running late. I thought we were running late. I got scared. All right, last but not least, Pebbles on the Flintstones is a girl only because of a toy

company. Pebbles was originally supposed to be a boy named Fred Jr. However, when executives at the ideal toy company found out about it, they proposed changing the baby to a girl so they could create a doll. And Hannah Barbera agreed, thank God. Because if they had had a doll of a little boy, I swear. Oh, my God. Oh, I would have things to say about it.

Changing the sex of the baby didn't go over well with the network executives who had been told it was going to be a boy. According to Joe Barbera, the brass was so shook up that 31 executives flew out to Hollywood to discuss it. Well, there's also Bam Bam. Is Bam Bam not in the same family? So, no, he's in the Rubble family. Oh, I thought they were siblings.

No, no, no, no. It's a good thing they changed it because otherwise the cereal would have been called fruity Fred Jr. Right. And I would have been chomping down on it. And I say, oh, is this boy a doll? It better be. I apologize. But it is good that they're not siblings because I feel like, you know what?

I don't know if this is true, but I imagine there is a world where they push that They were to kiss. I'm sure there's fan fiction about that. A spinoff show, were they married? Yes. Old, cave people getting married is what I'm saying. I'm not saying young cave people get married. Or they were pitching the show called Old cavemen people.

What do they do? Are they dead? Why aren't they? Those are the three questions we're going to answer. The three questions I will explore in this paper. All right, are you... That's my wist. That's my wist for you.

Well, that's great because I seem to have lost my eyesight. I think I'm going. Wide. Items. Ah, we can't see them. All right. You ready for this, Natalie? Are you ready for the onslaught of trivia?

Oh, am I ready? Okay. I tried to make some fun ones. There was a lot of good, you know, we were off last week, so there's a lot of blinds to catch up on. Some juicies. The wife of this permanent A-list, mostly movie actor, is pitching a reality show that won't feature the actor. She wants to make her kids. famous.

Don't you dare. I'm sorry. It's not the one who we first... It's hilaria. It has to be hilarious. That is all good. She wants another reality show.

She's finally getting out from under his murdering shadow. I think that this is... You know, she used the murder for season one and that's dead content. Literally.

So she needs something else, you know? She needs... He's dead content because he wishes he was dead ever since he accidentally killed something. And so, and I'm not even being flippant.

He literally is having a murderer. He's a homicider. He's a manslaughter. Manslaughter. I can talk about that. Based in the stunt world, I can talk about that fucking forever how it all went wrong and how like, and that's not what you're supposed to do.

And that's not what you're supposed to do. Yeah. But don't worry, his career is not destroyed because of it, even though he was a producer. But his will to live is destroyed. And I'm not defending him, by the way. I think he's more traumatized by the marriage. I think it's a little columnary little columbino kids. That's why he's lost the will to live.

He's to go to the opera. But she apparently pitching another reality show, even though that did get picked up for season two, the Baldwin's. But the part of she wants to make her kids famous, that is abundantly clear. It's not about her MJ. Natalie, you'll love this. She loves to post pictures of her children while they're wearing their like camp shirts that have the name of the camp they go to. At that location of the camp. Absolutely.

She's asking, I'm going to say that she knows better and she's asking for something fucked up to happen so that she can have content. I genuinely think that's happening. The idea that you could be that famous, that you have dealt with the paparazzi that much and that you would still post pictures of your kids with identifying information, like, or posting, like, identifiable locations, like, well, they're still there. I'm like, what are you doing? But it is kind of crazy, Natalie, because she individually will go after because of, when she got kicked off of Dancing with the Star She was so fucking upset She decided that people voting against her

was the world being in a conspiracy theory working against her But ever since keeps posting TikToks Of people like making fun of her And the way she dances And then she interrupts the TikTok To show them how wrong they are

She's like stitching her own criticism videos So cringe It's crazy You should see how fast my foot is tapping. This is agitating me. I really, unfortunately,

you saying that she wants to exploit her children is the least surprising thing I can imagine coming out of her. But yeah, that, to me, that level of just like the audacity, the willful ignorance is on purpose. She knows

and she doesn't care. Yeah. I agree. She wants to use them in every way possible. I'm putting that Her thing this week is that she's doing like yoga videos in her underwear and she's saying she's doing it in her underwear so that you can see what she's doing with her muscles and her body. Oh, good. We're at pathological levels of attention seeking. Yeah, I very much agree it is pathological attention seeking. And I don't follow her, but you know, it just keeps popping up on my feet, you know?

She's very, I wouldn't say good at it as much as she's very, um, insisting upon it. And it is to such a sad, cringe level that it is intriguing. Yeah. I wish she would. If she was just doing it for herself, I wouldn't even care. It's that she's using those children. Oh, yeah. And putting them in really compromising situations that are going to put them in a hundred percent. Yeah, but she, I mean, the 11-year-old has got a book. She's got a book on her. She got a podcast. Like, I feel like, I'm, I've been begging. I'm like, What are the 11-year-olds thinking? That is so vile, like, truly at this day and age, it is, there's no excuse.

She knows. Well, it's good. Honestly, it's keeping me from breaking into schools so I can find an 11-year-old so I can scratch their brain to see if they want to, like, start, like, throwing down brain. She's doing a service, because otherwise, Jackie would be in all these middle schools over here. I need to know what the middle schoolers feel. Oh, God. So I can remember.

It's good. It's connected to my youth. All right. All right. Well, this blind item is not about middle schoolers. This singer always thought she was going to have to make a comeback and go on to her, and she really didn't want to. Then along came the 80s streaming show, and she can continue now to just be a recluse. 80s streaming show. Eonies.

They call it the 80s streaming show in the blinds, but it is a streaming show set in the 80s. And it is very popular and trendy, and there is a. song that has become very popular and trendy because of the show that is from the 80s. Oh, thank you, Jackie. We just talked about it. I was like,

yeah, Kate Bush is having a great time. Love that for her. Good. Hell yeah. She doesn't want to go on to her. She doesn't want to leave the house. That is up there finding out. It's like every time I re-remember

anything about Enya. You knew I was going to break up Enya. You know I love it. Fuck yeah. Play it again. Let's all be listening. Let's keep Kate Bush and Enya in their castles. I don't know if Kate Bush is also in a castle, but in my brain, she is.

I hope. Apparently she, I mean, it sounds like she was getting a little broke and thinking that she would need to go back on tour to make some money, but now, not anymore. Yeah, yeah, dude. I love that shit. I also love that song. It's a great song. It's a great song.

And it really, man, what a chokehold. that song had on all of us. Yeah. Yeah, and luckily it still makes an appearance in season five. Okay. Good. Number three, this is, this is for us. This is page seven.

This permanent alist singer, who is super popular this time of year, is crashing out and lashing out. No. Everyone she is working with. No, she would never. Is it somebody who I'm going to see perform live? So, what? NJ, Natalie is going to see Mariah Carey perform without me. No shit, Natalie, how?

She's doing a Christmas Vegas residency. Henry doesn't want to fucking see it. I want to see it. Henry doesn't want to see it. We're going at me. I want to see it. Us and Ed and Julie are going. As long as you're going with Julie, as long as someone appreciates it.

And really, I need you to take video. I want to see her wheeled out onto stage. I'd like to see her any time you can tell that she is making, like, it would be easier if someone on stage was allowed to look her in the eyes and that, like, you caught that, like, now it's more difficult because she will not look them in the eyes. Like, if you could catch any moment like that. I'll try. That would be great.

I can't believe that. I assume they're not going to, like, take our phones, right? Is she at that level? Who knows? Like a comic trying out new material, but it's just trying to sing the same songs. She sings every year for 25 years. I was all ready to brag because I got tickets to the Mariah Carey Holiday Pop-up. bar in Manhattan.

Oh, that's fun. And I thought I was brag-worthy, but it's not seeing... You both have things to brag about. I don't have any brag about. Yeah, well, I've got her hat. I've had a hat, and it says, me-me-me-on-it. So, that's good. I don't need to see her.

It's good. It's better this way. Don't worry, you can go to Mariah's holiday... Mariah's Holiday Bar.com. They exist. There's none here, Natalie. We can't even go to... Is there one here?

There's one in Los Angeles. Dude, you got time. They are not selling out. Don't worry. Sorry, Natalie, you're going to another event. Sure. I love a corny-ass pop-up. Are you kidding?

I love those things. I know. I know. I was trying to get together with a friend, and I just knew this friend might be interested. And I was like, can I convince you that when we get together for the holidays,

we should go to Mariah Carey's holiday Pop-up Bar? And thank God, she said yes. And I had tickets 30 seconds later. Is it licensed by her, like, is her name licensed? Or is this her production? production company making it? This is a great question.

It's Mariah Carey's holiday bar. It has her picture and it has her logo and it has her alcohol, which is called Black Irish. Oh, okay. So it's her sponsor bar. Because I'm trying to figure out how it's going to be themed after a person. It is, I'll tell you.

It's just her breasts everywhere. It's just her eyeballs. It's only her eyeballs and only her tits. But they are everywhere. And they have two bells hanging off the nipples. Oh, yeah, they do. I've got five. words for you for how it's going to be themed after a person. The first cocktail on the

list is called Make My Wish Come True. Okay. So the cocktails are Mariah themed. We've got Imperfect Angel. We've got Dream Lovers. Then a lot of, you know, we've got a, we've got Santa's Spritzer. It's Christmas. It's Mariah. It's everything. I love this. If she had, if she was brave, she would make one called I don't know her. Oh my God. Be brave, Mariah. Can I just also throw it out there. I bet your New York version does not have tables by the pool that we could get. Love the most about Mariah Carey's holiday pop-up. It's $100 just for the opportunity to walk inside of the building. To purchase drinks. Yes, to be able to purchase my drinks. Oh, here it is, I mean, for the area I would get, it would, it's $75 plus a 1575 fee just to get the reservation.

Bro, I only paid $18 bucks. I was like, wow, Mariah's falling on hard times. No, I think over here, I think this one's swanky. Yeah, this is different. Like pool access. This is like a cheaper in New York, but there's a pool in L.A. And that's the difference between New York and L.A. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Why is there a cocktail called E equals MC squared? Oh, is it just because of Mariah Carey? Is it just because it's Mariah Carey? Oh, MC. MC equals A E X squared. That doesn't mean. That's so funny. I actually love that even more.

It doesn't make sense. It doesn't make sense. You're right. It does not make sense. I need a little cup of imperfect angel. Natalie, you're coming with me. Sorry. You just got wrangled, bitch.

The food in New York is different than the food in L.A., but I need to shout out Santa's little sliders, which is crazy. You. It sounds like poop. It does. Wow. You mean reindeer drops? Thank you. I wasn't thinking that. No, I'm not going to get into work. Yeah, but there is a pizza called Meet Me at the Beach, M-E-A-T, at the Mariahs. That's lazy. Come on. Meet me at the beach.

Caesar's Greetings is a Caesar salad. That's pretty good. That's pretty good. Jingle shrimp wantons? That's not even a thing. That's a jingle shrimp? No. No. You just added the word jayser's. jingle onto it. You can't say jingle shrimp want dines. That fucking doesn't mean anything unless there are bells actively inside of the wandan. They didn't even bother to chat, GPT

according to fucking jingle, yeah, jingle balls, I don't know, something. Yeah. Oh, I'm going to love this. I can't wait for you. M.J., when are you going? I am going. I can't tell the exact date because then someone will find me like Hilaria Ball's chill red. Don't say the day. You're going to have to tell me those because then I'd like

to Fival Goes West so it's like we're at the Mariah carry bar at the same time. Oh, good. Okay, I'll text too. Yeah. Is we getting hammered by a pool? I'm a jingle, I'm a jingle. Those are blind items.

Yes, I can see again. Welcome back because Natalie. It's time for Jackie Snackies. Please play the song. I've been a snacky girl. Snacky. I've been a snacky girl. Snacky.

I've been a snacky girl. Snacky. been a snackie, snacky, snacky. Is somebody gonna eat those chips? Is somebody gonna dip those dips? Is somebody gonna try those candies? I got seminar. I say, I'm a snack lead.

You don't get to hear the song, Natalie. I'm so excited about, she was waiting. She was waiting with beautiful patience. Look at around with excitement. You don't get the song. Everybody else gets the song. But what you do get is something that I pre-ordered, that I received, that I wasn't able.

to, I got it the day after the last page 7 episode that we recorded, but Natalie and I did not get to spend Thanksgiving together. Although you are at my house. I was in your home and I was experiencing Thanksgiving within you, but not with you there. And I wanted to bring a little bit of Thanksgiving to Jackie Snackies today. Oh. So I purchased the limited edition an Oreo container of Thanksgiving dinner-inspired Oreos. Whoa. Yes, we've got pumpkin pie, creamed corn, caramel apple pie, cranberry sauce, turkey and stuffing, sweet potato. Now, Natalie, I don't know.

I did look to see if there was any meat in this. Yeah. I don't think that there is. And yet still, I'm not going to make you eat the turkey one. I'm a little curious, to be honest. If you want to try it, you are more than, I just wanted everyone to know I'm not making a vegetarian do that. Please, I don't think that there is. No, it would say at the bottom if there was meat.

If it contained meat. So it doesn't have meat. I'm glad because I feel like a meat Oreo that in and of itself probably would throw up. But I don't, hopefully we won't throw up on this episode. I am excited. I feel I just pushed for Holden next time we did LPN Funhouse that we should have a puke cam. But I do feel like at some point, we might eventually need a puke cam here on page seven. Depending on it.

Although these, the snack fluencers enjoyed these. So it wasn't a lot of anger. Can you go through the flavors again, Jackie? I'd love to. I'd love to. So we've got pumpkin pie, creamed corn, caramel apple pie, cranberry sauce, turkey and stuffing, and sweet potato. Wow. So.

Oh. And, you know. I'm the most curious about the cream corn, the cranberry, and the turkey. So you're most curious about the cream corn. Oh, there's only one of each? There's two of each. Cream corn, the cranberry stuffing. I feel like this has to be a two-parter, Jackie.

I feel like I don't want you to eat all of those Oreos today if you don't want to, but I kind of need to know about all of them. All right. Maybe we'll have to do a second-helping, and I'll finish up the rest of them. Yeah, I'll do it on second-helpings. I, okay, you're going to try the creamed corn, and I'll also try the creamed corn. It smells like it already. I can smell the corn.

Oh, my God. It does smell like cream corn. Whoa. These innovators over at the Oreo departments, what are they going to think of next? This is crazy, and I did spend too much money on this. I'm over here wondering what Oreo I would choose if I was there, because I know that I can't just be like, give me the pumpkin one. Oh, wow. That actually tastes like green corn.

Oh, my God. In a good way or in a bad way? I don't know. I don't know. Adam Hale. Adam, Ham, me. Adam got me so weird. Oh, that's so weird. Oh, that's weird.

I could have gotten nothing got them. I appreciate it, and I appreciate you. I'm assuming it's not a chocolate cookie on the outside. Like, the whole experience is cream corn. Yeah. Oh. But there is a chocolate cookie on the inside. There's an Oreo in the middle.

Wow, I don't know how to feel. I know. I'm having every moment, every millise. second of it. I'm changing my mind. It's an Oreo coated with cream corn flavoring? Wow. Wow. I'm all over the place. This is crazy.

This is absolutely insane. It's not like the other Oreos where it's like a new type of cookie and a new type of frosting. No, it's a regular Oreo. Wow. Adam, I'm trying to get Adam like, Adam. I'm trying to seduce him with it. Adam. You know you want bite. Oh, it's so early, Adam. I'll bet you ain't

eat real food yet. I will say Too early Whether or not I like it It is the flavor It's not like it is cream corn It's like it tastes like cream corn And you don't expect the chocolate It's all like it is so

It smells so much like cream corn too That as you put it up to your lips You're like there's no way there's chocolate in this And then you eat it And as you're eating Your brain has to comprehend And accept what's happening to it It's actually more size

psychological than I expected? Yeah. For whatever reason, because, you know, I love a, this is big. This is big, this is big. I love a popcorn jelly, what's it called? Jellybelly, jelly bean. Oh, yeah. Oh, really?

But this, that doesn't taste like actual popcorn. This tastes like cream corn. Like, it really does. Actually, I think we got to go right to the turkey and stuff. You're handling this very well, Natalie. If I had just eaten an Oreo that tasted like cream corn, I would be. really upset and you seem fine. I think this turkey is going to make me upset, but I want to try it. I think, you know what? I'm going to say it, Natalie. Let's share this one. I don't think we need to open up both of them. I think that we can share it. Wow, it really does smell it. Oh, can't smell it. Oh, I, oh, I wish it. Oh, wow. It really smells like meat. But Natalie, it says there's no meat in it. So if you ever miss me, you can just eat a turkey or something. Oh, no. You can't do it. You're tapping out. You got to do it.

Oh, my God. It smells really bad. Oh, my God. Wow, I actually almost did. I took such a big whiff that I actually almost threw up. It kind of smells like baby poop. And, um, okay, okay. Sorry, you just put that visual.

No, I think that this is great. This is the first time this has ever happened. I don't, I don't, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow. It's on my hands. She's leaving the studio. You guys can't If you both leave I'm just going to vamp

Jackie's curling Oh no Oh my God That's gross Oh no Oh Jackie They never stopped to think if they should Oh

You're capturing the aftermath They never stop to think if they should They never stop to think if they should What was the experience like in your mouth? Oh, don't. Oh, God, it's still so, oh, my God. The smell was bad. Oh, I believe it.

I believe it. What I'm imagining is, you know, when, like, school cafeterias have Thanksgiving dinner and it's like that smell of turkey, I'm imagining that it's that kind of turkey, you know? It kind of feels like, almost like manure or something. I'm so. sorry to everybody. I'm so sorry to everybody. The Misfones are going to love this. Let's have a different one. Get it out of me.

You want to try the cranberry one? I want to try the cranberry one. Is it that one? It's still in my mouth. The coffee's not getting rid of it. It's still in my mouth. You got to eat a cranberry Oreo right now, Jackie. Ew.

It is so meat forward. So surprisingly meat forward that I, my brain couldn't I'm not like I'm the kind of person you're like Jackie a mole like what are you fucking talking about you can do meat and chocolate you can not like this

I don't think anyone's comparing this Oreo to a moly Jackie I think I know it's not you know it's not one of those cranberry not so you don't really care how cranberry eat no no no no

this one that does not have a strong flavor you know I feel like it has a strong flavor of fake cranberry which makes sense but cranberry's tart there's no tartness you're right it's far too I mean it makes sense as an Oreo but I feel like the outside should actually be more bitter yeah to Cohen's like to interact with the cookie the chocolate cookie on the inside yeah it should be more tart for sure um it didn't taste Because you lose the cranberry of it with the no tar. Right, right. You really do. Okay. But I will say much better tasting in my mouth than the turkey and stuffing one. I really feel like food scientists are pushing to the edge of where they should be going. They're splitting cells that shouldn't be split.

You're right. And there's just that turkey taste was just so turkey. Well, I happen to have a snack that is also a snack that is also a. meal flavor in a snack. Oh, yeah? Yes. So is it time for MJ's Minute Munchies? You're damn right it is.

MJ's minute munchies. Ooh. Everything they snack. MJ's minute munchies. Ooh. This is the Pringles enchilada adobata edition.

I did also get the Pringles hot ones, but I know that Jackie already tried those. might save those for another day. But this is enchilada-flavored fringles. And I'm... Enchalata flavor. Atobata.

So I feel bad. I should have sent you these Oreos when I got them, but I'm going to throw it out there, MJ. They were so expensive that I was like, I can't buy more than one of these. If you would found out how much I had spent on it, you'd probably be upset with me if I had sent it to you. I knew you had Nina Bobita and also several other listeners messaging me about it. So I knew that you needed to, and I'm glad you did. I had to do it.

Okay, so this is weird. I can tell it's a chip that's trying to taste like a meal. You know, it's like, at first I was like, oh, good, it's just a spicy chip. Because, like, having spices, enchilada spices on a pringle sounds great. But then as you keep going, you can tell that they're trying to have, like, an entire enchilada experience in there. And I don't care for it. I don't know what I'm going to do with the scatterbrae. I don't care for it.

So is it like, is it that it's, you said chicken? Ancelada abo daba, naturally and artificially flavored con sabore natural artificial. I think it's trying to go for like a tortilla, a chicken, and a cheese flavor. Okay. It's like too many, too many flavors at once? Yes, correct. If they had just identified the primary spices that make enchilada taste good, like enchilada red sauce tastes good, then I think it would be good.

Is it too strong of a flavor to be able to, like, dip in something else? Like, is it, we would immediately take over? It's not terrible. It's just like, like, like I said, at first you're like, oh, good, spices. And then you're like, oh, the food scientists are trying to make me feel like I'm eating enchiladas, you know? And, yeah, so you're like, you're getting like, yeah, there's like a weird chicken. They're preparing us for our food pellets.

Yes, for when we're on the train. Yeah, when we're on the back of the train and they give us our mush of bug. Just because I'm curious, I want to try a hot ones because I'm assuming it doesn't taste like a chicken wing. It just tastes like the hot sauce. Correct. I feel like that's the problem with the enchilada. And that's why I think the hot ones chips work so well. Like it's three different, essentially like hot sauces.

But it's not just spicy. They also have really good flavor on them. There's three different. That's great. And the green one, I'm usually a green sauce kind of bitch, and the green ones I have actually purchased a couple of times and have used it. I know that I've said this in the past, but I have used them when I didn't know what else to do with the rest of them, I had used them to cover chicken in. And then I just push them up and use them as like, you could probably do that with these enchilada pringles. But again, do you like, do you want chicken flavored chips covering your chicken?

I don't know. Not really. No, the only one works just because it's hot sauce flavored. This is the Rojo Rojo hot ones and it's just I know it's just all

in turkey I can feel the turkey looking at me I love it too and MJ I loved that your kids

were the ones that found these Pringles and were like for Jackie Snackies They love Jackie Snackies and they're always

encouraging me to go to the 7-11 to try to find some new interesting Of course the bodega

has many snacks and you can always find good snacks at the bodega but they also know that

a lot of the weird, as you told me, Jackie, a lot of the weird new experimental trendy snacks are at the 7-Eleven. Oh, yeah. So, yes, they're always pushing me, always pushing me to try new things. I might be trying Twix-flavored milk at some point if they have their druthers. Because there's Twix-flavored milk at the bodega, and I'm always trying to get them to drink regular milk. And I'm like, would you drink it if it's flavored like a Twix?

And they're like, would you drink it on Jackie's Snackies. Do they always get to try your snackies? You know, they would try any candy, themed ones they would try. They're always trying to get me to buy the experimental nerd clusters and stuff, but I don't think that they would enjoy these. I'm going to throw it out there. I love nerd clusters. Love them, love them, love them. I don't know. I need to sit and buy all the different kinds and sit and taste them to see, do they actually taste any different. I don't know if they do. I know, because they were trying to get me to buy the holiday ones. I was like, we just bought a bag

of nerd clusters. And they were like, this is a different flavor. Is it like Skittles where it's just a different scent? I don't know. I need to, anybody, we have any nerd cluster scientists out there? Sure. You could let us know, page 7podcast at gmail.com. Really would love to hear from you. I do want to throw it out there. Love these reviews of these Oreos.

One review. Please don't ever release these again. These cookies are terrible. Truly the worst thing I've tasted in quite a while. The smell of several of them was offensively pungent. I don't know if I can forgive Oreo for that turkey and stuffing flavor. Wow. And, yeah, these are horrible.

The tin is nice. but other than that, it's just an expensive gag gift because of how bad and absurd these flavors are. Yeah, I do want to see you give the other turkey one to somebody to eat. Holden. I think it's going to be Holden or it's going to be Henry. It's going to be whichever one of them I see first, and they are going to be on videos.

So hopefully that will be posting with page seven. You're damn fucking right. I'm not going to tell them what the flavor is. In fact, I'm just going to say, I've got these Thanksgiving, I don't need to say Thanksgiving, limited edition Oreos. Yeah. Try it. Wow. So hopefully that'll be up with the page seven. I'm going to go see what I can scrounge up in the studio. And thank you so much, MJ, for everything. And Natalie, thank you for letting me experiment on you. And you know what? I do want to say thank you. You were going to eat that turkey and stuffing Oreo. Yeah, you really gave it your, the old college try. That smell is so offensive. I understand and I do not judge you for not eating it. Oh, wow. Thank you. because I feel like I'm always bowing out of the food challenges here.

No, I have eaten other things and drank other things. And that turkey, that noxious turkey flavor is still in my mouth. And I would be so upset if your mouth tasted like weird, fake meat all day. I can't believe you even tried the cream corn one. If I was there, I don't know how, I don't know if I could do it. So I stand in a lot. I love corn so much. I have to try any corn-based product.

All right. Interesting. Yeah. Well, yes, Natalie, thank you so much for coming. Come back soon. Even though we did this to you, I hope you do come back soon. Oh, I love the punishments. You love the punishments.

You know what, hold up that cookie. Let me take a quick pick of you. Of this one? Yeah. Well, Jackie's doing that. I'll give our shoutouts. You can go to patreon.com slash page seven podcast. There, you can watch Buffy seasons.

Are we about to finish season five? You just finish season five. We're about to start season six. You can read along celebrities with us. We just finished Tim Curry's new memoir. And you can join Jackie's book club where they are reading Sookie Stackhouse Book Three Club Dead and having a very sexy time. I'm a love with a werewolf.

I'll seed, all seed, you're the seed I need. I love him. I'm in love with a werewolf. What other plugs you got, Jackie? Oh, yeah. I'll talk about plugs. You want it all about him? What do you else?

See? My name is Jackie Zabrowski. Follow me on Instagram. I check that worm. Definitely come hang out with us over on the Patreon. Definitely, definitely, obviously check out. Elpia and Romantici deep dives that I co-host with, of course, Natalie Jean, where we get into the Dickens. Except not a dickens in sight.

Only a little bit of Crescent City, that's all. And I'd love it if you checked it out. But also, if you've got a bitch in your life, we'd love. to hear about it over on who's the bitch.com with my other show with Kara Clank and alert, alert, alert, next week, December 11th, Thursday, December 11th, 4 to 8 p.m. Pacific standard time, 7 to 11 p.m. Eastern standard time. It's the holiday bitch-a-thon. So come on over. Get subscribed. Start following at YouTube.com slash at who's the be. Give it a sub so that you can follow it and know when our show is starting so you can be reminded of it so that you can hopefully

call in live and we can talk to you and I tell you we're going to have a lot of guests on it so you're going to want to check this out Natalie please would you like to you know we've got spun yeah we just finished our fourth season of someplace underneath my co-host Amber and Nelson and I thank you uh we have also started our YouTube page it is a very you know we're just building it now but we have some interviews up there already and we're about, we are starting to record our video essays that are going to be a part of Spun in between seasons, which I'm very

excited about. And we're going to be talking about the Jeffrey Epstein birthday book, everybody. Yay! Everybody's favorite. And yeah, also if you want to join Jackie and I in March

of the coming year, we're going to be at a big old romanticity festival called Dreamers and Readers. Dreamers and Readers. And you can get a discount on a bunch of the events using our Code Febeys if you want to come hang out with us. You know you do. It is a three-day-long, choose-your-own-adventure-castle-adventure time.

It's going to be really insane. Yeah. And you probably want to check it out. It is at this huge center in Texas, and it's going to be nuts. So, again, that's the Dreamers and Readers Festival put on by Fantastique. And thank you guys so much for joining us on this episode of page seven. We will be back tomorrow with some second helpings. And yeah, don't worry.

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