Page 7 - High School Music WATCHALONG

Episode Date: September 1, 2022

Holden, Jackie, and MJ head to East High School to enter the HSMU this week with a special watchalong of the 2006 classic(?) High School Musical.Want even more Page 7? Support us on Patreon! Patreon.com/Page7Podcast Subscribe to SiriusXM Podcasts+ to listen to new episodes of Page 7 ad-free.Start a free trial now on Apple Podcasts or by visiting siriusxm.com/podcastsplus. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

my god, Jackie, what song from this movie you've never seen? Are you going to sing to start this episode? I'm going to sing all about, I'm in high school, and I wish I could kiss, I'm in high school. It's a high school musical. Yes, and we're a bunch of crazy teenage fools. Yes, we are, bitches.

Welcome to us watching high school musical for the first time. Yes, we were talking about the original movie from 2006. This is right after I graduated from high school. And the last thing I wanted to do was watch a movie about high school. I was also like not anti-I was actually actively

anti-musical even at this point in my life. I was like, were you in theater school? I was seriously like, I like straight plays and straight plays only like. Improbin sketch comedy. And I remember like I was so spoiled. My parents had like the Broadway lights season tickets. Now I'd be like, oh, all I want to see is plays,

and I have to keep watching these sing-song fucking musicals. I don't want to see Joseph and his magic, technical dream code father. It's a great musical. It's a fun one. I saw a lot of great stuff. Boy, did I have a sexual awakening to Miss Saigon. Yeah, no, I get it.

Joseph has a coat. No, Ms. Seigone. No, Joseph had a great coat. And everybody's dripping. Dripping out. every hole you had for Joseph. Now I will say I was just talking to members of our Twitch community chat and they do believe that I was talking to a lot of people that love this movie and they were talking about

that this is kind of the precursor to Glee, that this opened up that world. And I think that like especially after, you know, last week, y'all heard about our hater territory that I think a lot of us were going through in our early 20s or late 20s. And I, that's why I didn't watch Glee. I don't watch high school musical in my brain, put them all in the blender, watch them spin around and do a beautiful oblivion. I would have rather done that. I kind of want to go back and even watch glee.

What made glee even less watchable for me was every time I'd go home, my mom was like, you've got to watch that glee. Gotta say glee. Oh, it's so good. It's not what you think. It's very funny. And you know what? I think actually she might be right.

My mom does actually not have terrible taste, you know. Oh my God, was that always a compliment? Linda with her young Sheldon over there. I have been wanting to watch Glee too. What's gotten into us? All three of us talking about how racist Leah Michelle is, but also wanting to watch Glee. We're getting older.

And I love musicals now. We're getting older. Do we need to listen to Landslide? Because I definitely danced around with Winnie the other day, crying to the Dixie Chicks cover of Landslide. I have, which I have on vinyl now. Please, the Chicks, Holden, my God. The Chicks.

My apologies. My apologies. Dumbest, transition of a name, I understand, but still, I hate that there's the chicks now, but that's not what you're talking about. I'm sorry. Yeah, I get it, but it's unfortunately named. It's an unfortunate name. But, you know, Lord knows, I will say, outside of, like, the fact that Zach Efron is in this and, like, the people that are in this movie, I don't know anything about it. Like, I don't know it. Oftentimes, movies like this, like, through cultural

osmosis, you know a lot about it. Totally. I don't think I know anything about how you. I don't think I know anything about high school musical and maybe our brains will be changed while we watch it and be like, oh no, maybe we did know a lot more about this than we actually love. I'm excited about that same thing. I know fucking nothing. If you ask me what this musical is about, I could, I assume it's about high schoolers putting on a musical. I'm going on blind. And to me, it's like an origin story for all of these much later big famous pop people. Right. That are in my world, that are put out songs that I genuinely like and, you know, or just like have been become a part of our general, like, lexicon.

And, you know, so many of them came from Disney stuff. And I think that this was a bit of a big bang for a lot of people's careers. And you're right, this whole crazy wave of musical stuff. And now I'm like, I'm, and I know she's not in this because she came later, but I'm obsessed with like Olivia Rodrigo and all the and all those folks. They did really launch a lot of it. You know, this was also like we were talking about Hannah Montana and Miley Cyrus in our 2009 Rewind.

I was like, we were obviously too old for that to be consumed as kids, but then we were like the right age to consume Miley Cyrus's pop music. So it was like it was this, this, we just missed this at the time. But now it's like perfect. And I feel like it's going to be very comfortably nostalgic. It's going to feel real, real mid-aughts in a way that it's going to be, I think, really fun. Oh, yeah. I get a real kick out of seeing.

this shit that other people find to be incredibly nostalgic. Yeah, totally. Do you have any expectations? Because I feel like the one thing I think that we can guarantee is rough haircuts and outfits. The haircuts. I was going to say big, like, dumb hair for the guys that like doofy dream boy.

The original Justin Bieber. I'm going to say there might be some choppy acting happening throughout. for sure. You know, maybe some awkward love connections happening in a childlike way. And my fear is that I will not like the musical songs, but my hope. You love him. I love them.

I love musicals. Yes, yes. I love musicals, but, you know, there's nothing worse than finding yourself in the middle of a bad musical episode. Oh, my God. That's kind of my fear right now. But I don't think that that will be the case here. MJ, what do you think the name of the. love ballad is. Oh, God. It's going to be like, you know. So last year. That's my guess.

So last year. This is also a dumb question. I don't even know. Do they do like in Glee where they sing regular pop songs? Oh, is it a jukebox? I don't know. I don't know. I wish. That's why I want to watch Glee because I have a sick pleasure in watching Acapella, even though I also like to make fun of it. Jackie told me this fact about you guys, MJ loves the Riverdale musical episodes. Love it. And Jackie, not so much. I love almost everyone.

Yeah, so I don't know what I'm afraid of, why I'm afraid I won't like this. Of course, I'm going to love this. I just love that we're giving it a shot. And so if you haven't watched high school musical, hopefully this will inspire you to watch it, or maybe you love high school musical, and you're so excited to watch this alongside us

and get a real true blue first impression of what this, I think it's fun that none of us really know anything about it other than Zach Efron, Vanessa Hudgens, Ashley Tisdale is in it, right? That's where it starts to fall apart. I think, in my head, I'm like, Jane Lynch is in him, like, that's Glee.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. She might be in there. Lynch is not in this one. So, all right. I'm excited. I was going to say, so, yeah, we're going to do a countdown and we'll give you some kind of,

we'll describe some visuals up top, just to make sure you're as in sync with us as possible. And even if you're not going to watch long, hopefully we'll make it even entertaining for you, though there might be some patches of silence as we are hopefully riveted by this tale of high school love or something.

I guess they're going to put on an actual musical. I think they'll be putting out a musical whilst also falling in love with each other. I hope it's rent. Riverdale hasn't done rent, have they? No, but I... I hope it's rent. I hope it's red. If high school musical has been about rent this whole...

whole time, but we haven't known. That would be so fun. If that is the musical. That would be the best kept secret. I hope it's laid news. I'm starting at zero. I'm going to hit play. I'll do a countdown.

I'll go three, two, one, play. That's how we'll do it. You're not going to say start and then click start at the beginning of the word start. Oh, Jackie used to always say, when I say start, press play at the beginning of the S sound of start. She would explain it every time, but it always made me smile. Three, two, one. one, start, and on the stah is when I'm going to hit play. It's the key.

It's the start. Start. All right. Jackie has this down to a science, holden. But I'm blinded by it. Three, two, one, start. There we go. A Disney Channel original movie.

It's the first thing we see. And then it just faded into high school musical just popped up on the screen. Oh, no. There's snow on the ground, or is this secretly a Christmas movie? It's a New Year's Eve movie. It looks like a Hallmark Christmas. situation. It does. Oh my God. This opening scene looks like, is this a

Hallmark movie? It has extreme hallmark vibes. Oh, so they have real high schoolers as backgrounds is what you're saying. Background people, but then they have 20-somethings playing the high schoolers. What book is that? Is that like, I'm going to guess Virgin suicides. The teen party?

For the teen party? Oh, no. Valore tracksuit number one. How many Valour track suits you think we're going to see in this. Oh, my God. At least five. Ew, Zach Ephron overacting much. So he was the guy, right? He was the the throbber, as they call it.

I tell you what, man, you've seen a recent picture of him, continues to be a throbber. What does he do now? Not ever been a throbber for me. His face is too, like, it's too, I'm supposed to look hot face, you know? I don't like a smooth. It's too smooth.

Well, and that, hey, I've never been able to get down with that. doofy I'm a hot boy the boy the cute boy hair is just and obviously it's not for me thank god it's it's it's not something I'm into or is it for me but it all I'm always like blah and now it's all about like big poofy hair that kind of goes up out of a hat is kind of what seems to be the new thing I think I have that here the New Year's party at the high school but he was at the high school and he decided to shower up he brought his outfit for the dance party from the basketballist he was playing with. Where did that dude go?

Wait, is this a party for teenagers only? I'm very confused immediately. This is a party for teens on New Year's. Where is it? It's in a lodge of some time. Do you see how sad that boy was at the end of his own song? He was so sad. I think he wants to be Zach Afron legitimately in like a soapbox.

Yeah, look at him. Why is he doing that? Why is he acting? Because he's sad about his hat. Are you talking about the one with the hat? Now I'm realizing this is not about the main actors who are actually got a lot of training, even his children. This is about the background actors. Definitely.

There is so much weird acting immediately happening in the background. But did you notice Vanessa Hudgin? She's at the party, but she's reading she's not like the other girls. She's not like the other girls. Drake every time someone's not like the other girls. Oh, yeah. I also want everyone to know. I am liberally drinking through this.

Oh, yeah, yeah, we all are. I wasn't going to because I was like, I don't feel like drinking a night. And then I was like, you know what, I'm not going to do this sober. No, we can't do this sober. This happened really fast. Oh, wow, we're already singing a karaoke song.

Ooh, and he has like this totally Justin Bieber auto tune voice. Oh, my God, but she can sing. She's not like any other girls. any other girls I've ever seen before. Oh my God, they're singing together. Yes. Well, but they're like nervous. And they got Rando chosen.

Big Hat Kid is still just confused in the background, not sure whether to be happy or sad. No one's paying attention to the sun. Yeah, no one actually is. There's that one girl. Oh, no, she sings, because she sings like the sun. And you know I hate singing like that. Feeling my heart.

They do harmonize well together. I'll give him that. They do, but that's not how a high school boy does karaoke. He's like, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. Taking the jacket off is a weird, again, it's weird how they try to, like, use what adults do. But that's a horny move. So the kid taking the jacket off, it's, and everyone go, woo, it's like, again, I feel strange. You say everyone goes woo, woo, but no one.

is paying attention to them. No, look, they're all into it now. They're bringing people in. They're all into it now. It took them a second. Everyone's feeling it. And did they know each other at all? Before they were randomly put on stage together?

Certainly not that we saw. Yeah, we have just been thrust into this plot line. I would have, if we weren't like watching this for a timed thing or whatever, uh, I would actually, I like to sync up, I would actually have rewound it and been like, What happened?

They were just pushed on to a stage randomly. This is the hard thing about watchalongs is trying to follow along with the actual plot while it's also commenting. And with Jersey Shore, it's great because there is no plot. But in this movie, there's probably a plot. Are they still trying to fuck each other and like call women fat? All right, cool. I am going to look up on my phone how old they are in this, though. Yes, please.

I need to know how old Zach Efron is. I'm not, I don't feel anything at all questionable about them. So it's not, it's not like that. Yeah, zero attraction, but it's not like a cold sprow situation where you're like, I'm pretty sure you're a grown man. Like, I actually think that they are kids. Yeah. These are actually kids.

What did her, what's her name again? Vanessa Hudgens. What did she? Oh, she ended up doing a bunch of stuff, right? Okay. What's her big thing? Oh, so we can talk about him in a sexual way. I'm okay.

I'm all right with it. I'm fine. I'm doing okay. I will give it to him. That does not look like a 19-year-old. That looks like a high school-ass high school. And she's 18, so they did get people that were at least close to teenage age.

So we could watch a video of them. Fuck. Oh, yeah, we could watch it all night. I can't believe this is a Christmas movie. I feel like I've been conned. I just assumed it was a summary movie, but I think that's because maybe the sequel happens at camp. Yes, definitely.

there's a camp one. Is that flirting? Oh, it's New Year's. What are these kids? Oh my God. They sang the song together. Are these kids like are going to be, how are these kids going to be in New Year's?

But actually, no, the difference was when I was their age, I was getting hammered on Schmernoff 100 at some like weird persons. Yeah, I wonder if they're going to drink. I wonder if there's going to be like a very special episode within this movie where there's like a peer pressure to do something bad. Maybe the TV series. Well, I bet once Ashley Tisdale is on the screen, because I think she's the bad one.

Oh, yeah, it's going to be a bad girl, yeah. Who's also not like the other girls, but in a different way. Oh my God, you totally know it's 2006 because she has a full shirt on, but also a shawl over the shirt for absolutely no reason. Very 2006, yes. I'm pulling up IMDBI. on my phone. No.

Like that she was gone in the night. Why did she do that? But he said he's on vacation. Ew, creepy. Just took a random picture of her. Just went I went to a random

other high school news. This is like some sort of youth party happening in some sort of communal space in a lodge of some kind of sort of youth lodge. Kind of very greasy

vibes with that. Yeah. Rest in peace, Livian and John. I know we're at East High School. Everyone's wearing red track suits. I'm just going to throw it out there. I did look up the plot because I was like, we got to know the plot. Should we talk about it now so that we know what we're getting into?

He's a basketballist. She's in academia. And they both want to be in the musical. And he has, but he's like, but how is you going to do the musical when he's a basketballist? And she's like, I always want to do the musical if I have to read the musical. I have to read my books. So that is what this movie is about. Okay.

All right. Oh, bitch girl outfit. The sequel is Summer Camp and the third one is graduation. Gotcha. It is a trilogy. This is the high school musical verse,

the H-S-M-U. I want the record to show we are not committing to watching the other two together. Jury's out. I think the record can show that. We're going to wait and see. Definitely okay with it.

Yeah, for sure. Man. Well, now I'm curious to watch the show just because of Olivia Rodriguez. Yeah. And Sabrina Carpenter now, too, because I really like her new album. But how do you feel about being an almost 40-year-old man watching high school, the musical, the TV show alone? Well, just got that got to get that daughter. I'll wait a couple years.

Yeah. Get the daughter up and then we're fine. Then the daughter is the vessel. Yeah. For me to go to the movie theater and watch this sort of stuff. And, yeah, all that good stuff. You'll just have to get through the first, like, seven years of then, of only watching Frozen, you know, once a day. I had a daughter so that I could watch films like this in peace and normal.

Very scary thing to say. Very scary. I'm not in love with the children, Jackie. I just like the music and the revelry. And yet you desperately needed to know. how old they were. I saw you had to know how old they were to make sure. I'm just saying if we watched a video of intercourse between the two made characters,

no police officer would be allowed to arrest us. Period. Very smart. Very, very, very smooth. Just covering my bases, Jackie. Is that a razor phone? Oh my God. He's popular.

The aesthetic of this movie is so jarring because I feel like it has, it's like half, like, 90s Boy Meets World aesthetic and then half, like, you know, not the 90s because it's the 2000s. That's 2006, babe. Slightly cooler, but it still has very Disney show Boy Meets World set vibes and just, you know, the whole feeling of it. It's also really throwing me that it's flip phones and stuff. I just assume this exists just because of how old I was when it came out.

I just assume this exists when smartphones were, you know, already king. I love too that you know the popular rich bitch by her having a Bluetooth as opposed to a flip-in. Oh, yes. And she's got a sidekick. Yeah. Right? Yeah, phones had so much more personality back in the day

and said so much more about you. Now everybody just has iPhone or Android and you can kind of make some distinctions there. But it used to be like so, oh, they have a razor phone. They're like a hipster. They have a sidekick. They're like, cool kid. you know what I mean,

raver, you know what I mean? But what about the weird dude in the golf hat? What does that say about that young gentleman? Oh, I'm looking up the IMDB Clerney McLernelary. Yeah, he is the golfing.

That bitch has got a buff. Oh, shit. So they're at the same high school despite having randomly met at the lodge on New Year's Eve. Interesting. Oh my God, he's embarrassed. I will say, and again,

Big regret. I always skipped the musical. I would play lacrosse instead until I quit lacrosse. I think I would just took the, the one took it off. And I think I was afraid to sing. But also, oh, but only the straight plays. Only straight plays.

I'm straight as narrow. I think Dick, you know, is for other people. You know what I mean? I am just straight play, man. I think I probably was scared to be like, like, oh, I don't know, to just be like a little gay. And now you're singing Taylor Swift left and right. I've embraced it.

This is why I, you know. Bitch move. I'm not even afraid that this might end up being a favorite series of mine. You know what I mean? I will say, remember bitch girl font that they would write in? The bubbly are the letters, the bitchier the girl. And I say this is someone that used to have very bubbly letters in middle school. and I was a big bitch,

the bubblier the letters, and the more you put like big a bubble over the lowercase eye, you're a bitch. Also real quick. Go ahead. Ashley Tisdale has a 45-year-old woman's haircut. And she has seven layers on 2006. And I think that the like bad bitch girl aesthetic

come to realize is just like femininity. It's just massaging because it's just like the girl who's not like the, other girls, like, she wears T-shirts. You know, it's like this. She wears T-Short. Yeah, and I wear it. Yeah, man.

It's just like, this bitch wears seven layers of femme, and we hate her. Oh my God. And look at all these background actors that are like, a, b-b-b-b-b-b-b-basketball? I've never seen a man look less comfortable holding a basketball, by the way. We have a basketball. Yeah, Zach Efron, definitely not a baller. Zach is holding that basketball like a person who's never smoked before,

holds a cigarette in like an acting scene. He's holding the basketball the way I hold a basketball. Yeah. He's like afraid of the ball. Like it's six month old. And I'm like, uh, what do I do with it? Whoa. Oh, he's the coach of their team.

Oh my God. Or what is it? Captain. That's how little. Yes, it's a captain. That's how little I think. He's the coach of the Youngs. But there is no seemingly there's no, oh my God, there's a dancing on the basketball players.

Oh my God. It's like stomp. It's just like stomp. Oh my God, Andy's got. Oh, no. I want to know, like, how this affected the youth culture, though. You know what I mean? We're like guys and girls into this alike.

Was it kind of a more lady-centric or girl-centric thing? You know what I mean? What I was teaching during this time? No, I wasn't teaching. I started. Get your head in the game. This is, you know, dude bro central over here.

This is a real cool guy. 2006, we're talking? 2006. Interesting. Yeah, when I started teaching like elementary school in 2009 and I feel like all the backpacks at that point were still high school musical.

It was like, it was still, the merch game was still quite strong in 2009 and it was definitely more like a 10 year old girl thing. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, it seems like the people that were really into it We're like middle school and early high school. Jackie, you got to get you, get to, get you, get your head in the game.

This whole montage is like, this is so strange. What the fuck? Oh, I see. We're going into a musical. Oh, yes. My heads in the game of hearts in the song. Hearts in the song. I know that tattooed on my chest directly between my nipples.

My heads in the game of my hearts of the song. I love that. I wonder how many my heads in the game, my heart's in the song tattoos there are out there. I want that tattooed on the tip of my dick. Oh my God, that's a really good idea, Holden. Okay, this is kind of burrowing on me. They're slowly transitioning from doing a basketball warm-up

to doing a group choreography. And I think I have my favorite. One of my favorite films, Dancer in the Dark. I love taking a very normal daily activity and then, like, bringing it into musical. And watching high school musical, all I can think of is

Dancer in the Dark. When is you're going to show up, please? Yeah, I hope it's as sad as that movie. I bet it will be. I bet it will be. I mean, if his head is in the game, but he wants, was it heart in the game? Heart in the game.

Hearts of the song. Gitch, getcha, getcha. The ball represents. MJ, I bet you love that sequence. That's such a sequence from Riverdale that you would really. I was going to say that there was like a river. I did like it.

I hated it at first and by the end I loved it. You would not have your beloved Riverdale musical episodes if it wasn't for High School musical as well, I think. You think so? You think that this laid the groundwork for the CW musical episodes? Yes. Man, all their skirt is so long. I hate to accuse Riverdale being derivative, but...

How dare you? Not in this house, Holden. It is 100% of everything. original. They just have such long skirts, so I can't get past it. And look at this neck scarf that the teacher is wearing. Oh, and all the bangles. So many bangles.

It was a time of accessories. She's dressed like a 65-year-old woman. Yeah. Now, how does Disney Channel stuff work? I feel like I'm really going to be knowing all of this very soon. Are these, all these child actors in a bunch of other shows? shows or is like, is their one thing high school musical? Like, do they appear in all everybody else's stuff? It was, at least when I was tapped into it, it was pretty siloed. It was like,

you know, there's the Shialabuff, even Stevens universe. There's the Jonas Brothers, although, you know, I might be talking out of my ass here because I think that- Jonas Brothers are incorporated in high school musical. And they're incorporated and they're, they interact in the Hannah Montana world too, don't they, Jackie? Okay. I don't know. I don't know. I don't I don't know. I realize I'm talking. I just have no idea. I feel like there is like a Disney kids cinematic universe that we, that, that is,

I think you might be right that they interact with each other. Well, you even brought this up yourself, Holden, when, like, the reason why you got this idea of watching this is because on the Disney Plus app, it's like, do you want to start in the high school musical universe? I had no idea there was a whole universe of high school musical. Or it was, yeah, no, it's that there's a section of Disney, which almost makes me mad because I just this doesn't exist for me it's like do you have like tons of time to kill yeah click on this it's every one you know marvel movie or it's every high school musical just all

you know all in a row yeah and yeah it's like kind of overwhelming when you look at it wow great acting really good stuff wow i didn't know how high pitched her voice gonna say why are they all talking like little babies. I feel like that's them trying to be like, I'm a young person. Mm-hmm. It's also, there's a lot of high school, talk about high school musical.

It's a real high school acting situation with their facial expression. Did we, did we, how old is Ashley Tisdale? She really seems like she's at least 30. Because I'm trying to see. So Zach Ephron, this is his first big thing is high school.

Okay. Vanessa Hudgens did a small role in the movie 13, which I love, but this was also her first big thing as well. Let's look up Ashley Tisdale. Yeah, we're doing a little bit of a pop-up video. Yeah, I like this. Thank you. This is perfect.

Pop-up video. So Ashley Tisdale in this is 21 years old. And she started her success in the sweet life of Zach and Cody. So she was already a Disney kid. Yes, I thought, yeah, I never watched the sweet life of Zach and Cody. I was like a little too old. but she has... Uh-huh.

But that's, yeah, that looks. Question for you guys. I wish I could regale you with a bunch of funny tales of musicals passed from high school and middle school and stuff. But like I said, I sat it out. What musicals did you guys do, if any? Did you do any of them back in the day?

I did all of them. I did all of them. Although I can't sing. And so the sadness for me was that I couldn't... I really thrived when I got to high school and there was a play option. But, like, through... I was...

and when I was a little kid before I got to high school I was in Oliver, Peter Pan, the music man. Newsies? Bye, bye, birdie. Never newsies. The music man, every,

I was, the music man, the music man was very popular in Iowa because it's said in Iowa. Now, my question is, was your heart in the song or was your head in the game? Annie.

And then I was in the pit for West Side Story and Oklahoma. What did you play? You played? I played trumpet and bass. I think I was I was playing trumpet for both of those ones. Were you more into that than life, pit life?

Because I actually was good at playing trumpet and I was terrible at singing and I just my entire life, I liked acting. And the only thing I could be in was musicals because there wasn't any plays. And so I just felt like shit all the time because I could never get a good role in a musical. Because I could sing. That would have made me so upset. It was. It was really upsetting.

No plays. And so then when I got to be in the pit, I was like, well, I love musicals, but this way I can actually feel like good at them instead of feeling bad at them. And West Side Story, the music for West Side Story is really good. So being in the pit for West Side Story was really... That's great. Jackie, what about you? I don't know if we've talked about this before. Did you do musicals? We did a lot... We were a very competitive school, so we did a lot of straight plays, but the one year we did nonsense and I got very close. to playing one of the lead characters in it, but she also had to tap dance. And I had to learn a tap dance during the audition. And I killed the singing.

And my acting teacher afterwards was like, you would have gotten it if you could have gotten the choreography and walked away from me. And I was, and then I became the stage manager of it. And I cried every single day. Oh my God, that episode of PIN 15 must have been. Dude, that's why PEN 15 blew.

my mind so much because it was like, I knew exactly what that. I was like, I was devastated. Yeah. Devastated. I thought it was my everything. I also, that episode connected with me so hard because the, I loved the relationship between the tech people and the,

the actors. Because it was so well written. It was so. MJ not watched Penn 15. I know. I know. I really should. There's a, there's a school play episode where the two friends, one ends up like

cast in a. really big part in the play. And the other one ends up doing like head stage management. And like they become, they like kind of split up because of that because, you know, the one, she goes like full stage manager does literally every single thing you remember about the kid stage manager in the high school play. I was so funny. I was exactly that way.

We're just like, oh, the talent. Is that what we're calling you now? And we were all being fuckers. We would be like kind of hide in. in the dark and play like horny games. Yeah, imagine being the stage manager for your peers. It would be awful. Yeah.

Yeah, I definitely had a couple of plays where I was like, I was like props for one play that I didn't get a part and that I was really pissy about. I was definitely spotlight for some musical that I did get out. Oh, dude. Spotlight operator. It's really sad. There's a Wonder Years episode I still think about to this day where, um, what's his name, uh, ends up being spot and Winnie Cooper gets cast.

in like a really big part in the play. And it's this whole thing. And like I remember, oh, I was, I tried so hard to be a good singer and I just couldn't do it. And like there's a, the like friend role in Bye Bye Birdie. I don't remember she sings one of the, I don't remember the musical well enough, but like she sings one song.

But it's like, it's not we love you Conrad, but it's maybe it is. It's like a song, you don't have to be a good singer. And I was like, I like audition and I just like was like, this character is not a good singer. She's like the Rizzo of Bye Bye Birdie. Like this is perfect for me. I can just,

I could finally get a fucking speaking part. And you didn't get it? And I didn't get it. I could not sing. And I never got a speaking part of a musical. All right. Page seven, the musical.

All three of us are the leads. Page seven the musical. I feel like we got to do something. We got to remedy this. I've always wanted to have a part in the musical. I'll, I'll do, I mean,

I'll just be in one at all. I've never, I don't think I've, I remember doing like a dance sequence in like a children's theater to be my guest. I remember like a couple things. Yeah, I remember doing like a dance sequence to be my guest. But I don't really remember like, I don't know if I've done a full on musical. See, that's what I did with my kids when I was a teacher was like we would just do songs.

We wouldn't do the whole thing. But it'd be like, all right, first grade's doing be my guest. Second grade's doing part of your world or whatever. If I were to go back, one thing I would have changed or if I could, like go talk to my younger self, I would have been like, do the musical man, do it. You're going to grow up and you're going to like love musical. You should tell that's Zach Efron. I should.

He's afraid of what his friends are going to think. He's a song's in his heart. He's like this is kind of weird. Yeah. Or is that just me. Yeah, he's coming on too. A little strong. Too strong.

Yep. A little much. Also, this reminds me of Riverdale. Did you guys have full cars? in your shop class that you got to work on. Not to mention this like... We never had shop class.

Fucking college, like university theater department. I will say, we did have an auditorium like this. Yeah, we had like a real... We had like a pretty... But we were a competitive school. Maybe not this grand.

I mean, it was... This is a really good auditor. Yeah, I like, my school had, my high school had like a auditorium, but it was not like this. But Jackie went to a serious, like, kind of conservatory-ish kind this place for theater as a kid, right, Jackie?

No, we just had, like, we, like, we were an IB, so it was already, like, like, the school already got a lot more money, but, like, our drama department was just feared, you know, like, we always wore the same shirt and the same khaki pants, like, we always showed up all matching and, like, in our, like, professional, we didn't curse, we didn't scream, you know, like, the, now looking back, it's so cringy, it makes me, want to be dead. And I think I'm going to play to you with actually a little bit of Lexi's high school. She went to like a.

Yes. Yeah, she went to like an actor acting school though. Really? Because we're both in Florida. She's the Jack's school. Yeah. I just went to a private school. So we had a really nice theater.

But like the actual like curriculum or whatever was like not never as good. And there was a lot of conservative like. on the type of plays we could do. And you know what you mean? So we weren't as like deep into the actual training and stuff as was as the theater was nice. The problem with our, uh, the, with the Dubuque, Iowa high school theater experience was that, um, you know, it was nearly 100% white people. And so it was tough to do like West Side Story.

They literally put the kids in brown face in the year 2000. Oh my gosh. I think when we did it. It was rough. It was rough, rough, rough. I mean, that happened a lot. I was just talking about somebody in my chat who did like an Asian caricature for like. Oh, yeah, South Pacific or whatever the South Pacific.

Yeah, totally South Pacific. And they were like, yeah, I wanted to like upload the video of it and like show it on my stream. But I can't because it's so I'm like this really cancelable thing in it. But I was just like, man, how, there's no fucking way you would ever have had the, you know, ability to like, to realize that was wrong. You know what I mean? You just silenced by the pure talent of this young gentleman dancing across the stage. Well, he crashed off the stage. So he must be actually bad.

Can we talk about the pianist outfit and how realistic it is for what high school is high school pianists dress like and 2006? So many layers, like a tight cardigan hoodie, one of those little hats with a short little brim. Yeah, I guess if you're just listening to this and not watching the movie, this is kind of the montage of bad audition moments is what's happening right now. And I, the, you know, the whole theater teacher.

The, oh God, the beleaguered. Oh, yes, the very beleaguered. Like, my theater teacher was always so beleaguered. So upset. Oh, so annoying. But, well, you know, it was also just like, understandably. This guy, I think really clearly wanted to be like a professional actor in New York or something.

You know what I mean? And kind of ended up. Imagine dealing with high school theater kids every day. That's the thing. We were just so annoying. So annoying. We were so annoying. We were always like, why are you always so cranky with us?

And now I'm just like, oh my God, you were a saint. Like, you dealt with us. My whole thing is like I didn't want to get in trouble in class. I was like, I'll just put it all in theater. That's where I can, like, be this thing. And I'll just be quiet in the rest of my classes so I don't get grounded. And that just means I put it all at Mr. Stalworth and made it his problem for an hour a day. Wait a second.

Her name is Charpe like the dog. Yeah, so we got a brother's sister, like, bitch duo here who. And Ashley Tisdale's name is Charpe? Yes. That's so funny. Wait, how do you know their brother and sister? She said that, or she was like, me and my brother always star in the musicals. Oh, okay.

She does look like 35, though, it's true. Yeah, this is just like Henry and I in school. Yeah, this is a little bit. Henry Jackie Foxxed. Henry had that hat, and I think I should get him another one. Oh. Oof. I mean, it's supposed to be obnoxious at least, right?

Yeah. The way she's So yeah, it's the way she's Just noticing him Oh it's so Oh my God With the little short-sleeved Like the cap-sleeved

Sequin Cardigan This pianist is acting the hell out of this scene I love her I keep thinking that woman's Meryl Streep Right? She's giving me street vibes She is giving me street

She's serving up Major Streep right now Oh no tap dancing, I'm triggered. No. Jackie, I didn't know you had such a traumatic association with my favorite art form.

I feel like we got to break this. That started a curse or whatever, I feel like. And now it's always like, you almost had it, but you didn't have a strand of hair just to the left of your ear. You know what I mean? I didn't have it, man.

I didn't have it. You'll get it someday, ma'am. If I could have just had the choreography. It could have sunk in your bones if you had the song in your heart. But instead, you had your head in the game. I had my head in the game. Oh.

Oh my God. They're stars. I mean, I think I'm supposed to find it annoying, but I'm just happy to be hearing music, not like off-key singing, which we've been given for the last, like, five-plus minutes. Oh, my God. They rocked.

The jazz squares. It's such a, this is like, you know how there's like, there was that whole stretch of, like shows and movies that were clearly just written by stand-up comedians who kind of like wanted to write about what it was like to, like, the most annoying things about being a stand-up or like what it was like to be a struggling artist. This is just so clearly written by people who were like, I was annoyed by theater kids what I was, you know, like, there's just all these little like inside theater kid jokes, some of which are like fun and then some of which are like,

we get it, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I, um, that's why I always love, I would totally do something like this, but I can't because I always love that episode of 30 Rock. I'm not a big 30 Rock fan, but the 30 Rock episode where Tina Faye, Liz Lemon goes to her high school reunion, she's talking about like, oh, it was so awful and it was just so terrible and people were so awful there. And then like every flashback, she was the bully. Yeah, she was the asshole. And I'd have that exact same feeling now of like, oh, I was kind of a fuck. Yes, that's me too, what I think about myself. I had such a persecution complex and I'm like, oh, I was the dick.

I was the, by the way, the way that brick is, did you guys have that of your school because it's like freaking me out? Because the way that, the rough side of that brick, it's like messing with me because it definitely was in my theater as well. And I'm like, wow, did they just like film this in my theater?

Sports, awesome. Of course. I identify with a teacher, okay? You're a grown woman. You know it's called a team. I also feel like I need to voice that I was a theater teacher for children from the years 2009 to 2020. Did you automatically kind of a poof and then you were like in a merrill street costume? You were wearing like scarves and had gray hair. You know, I didn't have all the scars and the big jangly jewelry, but I did lean into being like, you know, I used to do this game where I would make them learn how to project and I would like dress like an old lady and sit in the back.

and, you know, in the back of the cafeteria and be like, I can't hear you. So I did, like, do, like, a lot of really annoying Meryl Streep. Yeah, but that's cute. Especially for kids, though, that's cute. Yeah. But I like, I wanted them to look back. Right, exactly. I wanted them to, to, to, I wanted to be the foil of, I think self, I think we need to

admit that we need to account for some self-awareness in the theater teachers of the youth. I think that we have to. What we couldn't see as young people, but that what we might be able to see now is that they might know they're corny, you know. Lexie's doing it now, and she's, like, struggling a little bit because she's got these unwieldy kids

and stuff she's dealing with. The kids are very unwieldy, yeah. By the way, so this girl composed this musical. That's what's happening right now. She, like, wrote an entire musical at high school that sounds so not terrible. Interesting. Oh, my God.

I did want to say real quick, The drama teacher won a Tony for Cabaret in 1988. Okay. Very cool. So kind of... Oh my God. This is so inventive. Amazing like this.

You're going to hate every song, Jackie, because it all is going to sound like this. Okay, a little insider info for me is like, you don't just like blindly sing this harmony. This is a harmony that takes. so much work. Not when the song is in their heart. Can you see?

Yes. You're sight reading a song right now. Like for the first time? And they're like interweaving harmonies in this like. I mean, I guess some vocalists can cite read. I certainly never think. Yeah, maybe I mean just me. I struggle so hard with harmonizing.

These 17 year olds don't know how to cite read. I'm not saying that not, like I'm not saying you can't at 17. You can do it much younger than that. But these specific ones are, That's what I'm saying. Ha-ha. Very good. You've got the part.

If only you had the choreography. They had to rehearse in the basement full of skeletons. They cannot leave. And the only drink they can have is sludge water. I guess if you want to take your time and practice this musical, you'll just have one chance to show it to everyone and see if you can do it well. I will also say the name of the high school is just East High School. East High School.

It's, you know, because it's your high school. It's my high school. It's ours, yeah. My high school was just senior high school. Was it really? Yeah. Yeah, because the town had only three high schools. So there was senior, which was the original high school, just as opposed to junior high school.

And then there was like the, there was one for the farmers. and then there was one for the Catholics. Wow. Providence Day School. We were one of the few, like, not religious schools, but it's a lot of private schools, rather. Like, we, you know, there was like Charlotte Latin and Catholic. Yeah.

But you're still dealing, it's still very conservative and weird. Not me over at Palm Harbor University High School. It's so funny that the acting thing. Posse was like so clicked out like that. We didn't really have, well, that's not true. We had like a, we had a crew, but I didn't have a lot of people in my grade, unfortunately. It was like a lot more underclassmen where kind of the theater in a group of theater kids.

I like it when the ballers sing. Yeah. Me too. Those have been my favorites. Whoa. Oh, this will be fun. I like, I already like this number. This is cute.

And the basic plot line. I feel like this is speaking to me. I just wish someone shook me It could shake me back in the end Be like, you do like musicals It's not, it's okay It's not embarrassing Yeah

You get a tingly feeling When they break, you know When they do the thing I'd always be like It's ridiculous They wouldn't Who like breaks in assault You know what I mean?

I just like Yeah Handle the It's not real life Real life's the girl telling you She won't go to homecoming dance with you And then you go home And you're sad about it

That's sad for you And that's why I like Res for dogs. Also, there was a similar, I don't know for you guys, but there was a similar performatively anti-country posture that I definitely regret. People who are like, I'll listen to any music, but country. Anything about, well, everybody means pop country when they say that anyways. Yeah, they mean like Keith Urban or whatever, which is fair. But I do regret what a snobby snob I was.

Mm-hmm. I just love the whole I listen to everything is stupid. even if you didn't say, yeah, right. It's every country. Jesus, all right.

That guy's stoned as fuck. The hacky sackers, please. That one guy's big. Oh my God. All right. Yeah, so weed is a lot more like normal.

Like you wouldn't have, back in the day, back in our day, you would not have stoning characters in like a Disney musical movie. But no, this was the hacky sack players, though.

We all had hacky sack players at our school. Yeah, yeah. Oh, sure, but, but that guy especially, orange shirt is acting especially just straight up stone. And I feel like the changeover started happening with that 70 show. Like, they would have those like weed in the, in the basement. Clueless had Travis, you know, but like, but Clueless was not Ice School kid. Yeah. And Clueless was more like felt more mature. Definitely. Clueless was like

respected. Yeah. More mature and like like a slightly raunchier than high school musical, you know. It's just so interesting. I feel like weed is so normal. I mean, especially now that it's become more widespread legal across the country.

Like, it's so fucking normal. Yeah. I feel like in these spaces. Why did we wear so many layers? Yeah, layers on layers. I want layers to come.

I'm into for layers to go. Once I get this vacation it made me stop sweating as much, I'm down for more layers. I don't know. If I can look at you that many layers. You want to start wearing a blazer with a sparkly belt over said blazer?

Yeah, wear your belt over the blazer holding. Nothing's, keep, just keep your sweat. You know what? I like the sequence. I'm going to go ahead and say it. I like it. Yeah, I like it too. I haven't had a problem with any of the songs so far.

Me neither. I've ended up enjoying all of them so far. MJ are you falling in love right now with a film? Are you having a filmic experience right now? Not yet. But it's still early. Ooh, she squints. Ooh, Ashley Tisdale.

She squints and she squints and she squints. Oh, she squint. God, that's a lot of eye muscles. Ashley Tist. I cannot believe she's the most experienced, like, actor in this cast because she is not doing it for her. Hamming it up. I'm sorry, I've already forgot. How old did you say she was?

21. Okay, and she's probably one of the older remember. Except for orange shirt stoner, I think, is 29. He might be 29. Oh, my God, she's not like the other girls. She's clumsy like Bella. Well, this is pre-Bella, though. Actually, no, not the books.

Oh, my God. Why would they want to ruin a musical? Yeah, right? What is the motive? She wants to be in that musical. You know what I want it? I want to ruin the high school music. I mean, actually, it does sound like something I would do.

Oh my God, he's inspiring people. I love Crembleau. That's very hard. That's a very challenging. I just can't believe he did it while dancing and singing in the high school cafeteria. Yeah, where's the torch? Where's the torch? Did you guys have heavy clicks?

Oh, yeah. I mean, we had clicks, but I also do feel like. like the, like, hypercast system as it is portrayed in TV and movies is not quite realistic. Like, I felt like... We were clicked out, bro. Yeah, we were clicked out, dude. There was no blurring of, like, you can do basketball and the musical. There were two tables that were like blurred lines.

Don't do you on it. Don't do this to us. There were, there was, there were two long tables that was like just kind of a mish, a mishmash. But there was definitely the nerd table, the like, Jinko, like bad kid, you know, the like that table. We were, I realize now I was, I think at the band geek table technically. Yeah. I thought we were like the cool kids that smoked the weed and kept it real. But I think I was in the band geeks, even though I wasn't in band.

And so really just the loser of the band geeks. We definitely had the jocks table and we definitely had the popular hot girl table. And that was that was it. Yeah. I mean, the categories were definitely there. But I never quite felt like it was like a, like I never felt like there wasn't really any popular girls where like if I had like spoken to them, they would have been like, don't speak to me. Like it wasn't like that. You know, we all like, you know, we all like coexist together.

I would have definitely been treated weird if I sat down with the jocks. Yeah. I think the hot popular girls would have been polite to my face, but definitely had words about it in their like, call three-way phone call, call waiting calls that they had later that night. The mishmash table would have been fine. And I should have given them more love.

I would almost judge them. I was like, oh, you think you're so like cool with it. And not, like, oh, you're so mature that you know, you know, but actually they were the best table. The nerds would have been fine, but worried I was, like, there to fuck with them. And the Jinko kids probably would have been fine, too. But again, they would have thought I was there to, like,

fuck with them or something. But I probably thought I was dared to sit with them or something. I feel so bad about how judgy I was about the stoner kids, too. Like, I definitely remember this, like, kid who had, like, a back, on her backpack, she had written, like, it's better to burn out than to fade away. And, like, she would, like, leave. I almost got that tattoo.

And she had, like, you know, she would leave to go to smoke weed at the baseball field like every period and I was always like wow stoner and now I'm like man why wasn't I friends with her she was awesome you know but I just was like I was a bit of a of a snooty patooty about the stoners I'm glad you've changed your ways I was one of the blurred lines that um I hung out with all of you oh yeah I said everybody get up and I would go and hang out with all the druggies I hung out with every single druggie after school, but when I was in school, I hung out with the drama club. And so I was the president of the drama club. So like, I was like, I can't hang out with the

stoners at school because it looks bad. But then I would go and do lines after school and smoke a bunch of weed. And they all understood, but it was still sad now looking back. I'm like, why couldn't I just hung out with everybody? Yeah. I know. I just, if I could say one thing to a high school or it would just be like that you probably don't really have to hate anyone. Like, hate people who bully other people, but you don't, even if someone's like really hot and popular, you don't have to hate them. Like, they might be fine, you know? They're probably fine.

Or it doesn't even matter. Even if they're like not fine. Everyone's like, they're not fine for a reason probably. Right. Yeah. You just don't have to inherently hate someone based on who they are. Yeah. Which is like, feels like so important when you're in high school.

That's what I would want. I would fucking love. high school, this kind of thing, but with musical numbers that were more like My Chemical Romance, emo, like, pop rock? Is that what Glee did? Well, I mean, Glead did a lot of music.

Yeah, Gle did everything. No, no, no, I'd want one that was like purely like emo pop punk rock stuff. Yeah, I would watch that. That would be so fun. But like really theatrical, like, My Chemical Romance is, you know, like. Yeah.

I'm sorry. Ever. You just want to. to be her, Jackie. You don't want to be her. You don't want to be her. I'm not a nerd. I'm not a nerd.

I'm the Kuhrle guy. Ew, I won't. I can't believe we spent 2006 with this type of haircut. Right. And now, I guess I wasn't that into it because none of the guys specifically that I liked

had that kind of haircut. It's such as that haircut. Teenage cute boy haircut. Yeah, such a teenage cute boy haircut. Yeah, it was a teenage cute boy. cute boy haircut. It's like totally. Why, what is it about that haircut that's like for girls just finding their, like, what they're into? I mean, I would have credited to Justin Bieber, but that, but Baby didn't come out until

2009 or 2010. Wait, wait, what? Just Bieber is way after this? Baby is 2000, I think 2009 or 2010. And so this is so weird to me because I feel like Zach Efron is a Justin Bieber imitation. but Baby definitely was not out in 2006. Yeah, real quick little rewind here of where we were. So I was just had moved to New York City when this came, 2006, right? This came out. 2010, by the way, Baby was in 2010.

That's four years after this. I was going to say, I hope we didn't miss it in our 2009. It is like the haircut of the boy that girls right when they're just starting to like feel funny down there. just something about what is it it's so funny it's a hell this helmet thing yeah i also think it goes to show that like this movie is like it was pushed towards middle schoolers and elementary schoolers yeah so i think that it is also like the idea of the not to say safe good boy but usually the good boys had that or at least if i am remembering correctly uh-huh that i think that's why i never really like that i never really liked it, but I guess, because like, if you think about it,

riders strong for Boy Meets World, obviously much earlier than this, but like his bad boy haircut, yeah, the like that kind of haircut was our generations of like, oh, they're bad. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, but it's like good, but not too good. You know, it's like, like, Zach Afron, he's like, he's not like a nerd boy.

He's like a cool boy. He's a club boy. He's good. Oh my God, he's so good Yeah, 2006 I was in College still Dude, the sexual tension

When you were all It's so like Drama Club I know that like I never got to live like Live the band lifestyle But it's like we were always Around each other

No wonder we were always having sex With each other Like we were just like We're always working on the sets And then like everything was like a community building thing I played so many horny games and I'm still mad looking back.

Like, that girl wanted you to kiss her. I know. You fucking idiot, moron. We had so much sexual tension that we didn't know what to do with. I still think about it as if it was, you know, two years ago where I'm like, why didn't you? I used to play this, like, game, this quote unquote game with this one girl who was beautiful. Oh, was like, hi, the sausage?

We'd go into kind of, we'd go into the, this fake closet and be like, kind of all over each other and then the closet would, and we'd make the closet and we'd go, oh, it was just clearly like an excuse for us to rub each other up. I didn't think she wanted a date. Yeah, I definitely did that same shit. I was like, she wanted to go, she wanted to hook up. Well, you don't know how to flirt so you just create these like elaborate, obnoxious, performative flirting games. And you're like, if I just do this we, dumb thing enough, it'll somehow just magically we'll get to the next part. I didn't realize, like, oh, you have to like, I didn't find until college.

They're like, oh, you have to like make them actual mood. Like this scene. This scene right here. This is, there was, the two guys I enjoyed flirting with the most in high school were also the two bridges. They were like two boys who were like, they were both really hot and really smart. And one of them was like in band and then the other was like did theater. Sometimes I don't even remember.

But they were like, they were like the two single person bridges that did everything. And they were just great flirts. It would just generously flirts. with everyone. Yes. And I enjoyed it so much, but also, same thing. I didn't, like, I probably could have gone for it, you know, but I was just like. I was such a sucker for a generous flirt.

Yeah. Oh, my fucking God. I would fall in love with those people. Love a good looking, generous, confident flirt in high school. They're doing the Lord's work, man. Oh. Good for that. I will say this is his father, by the way, and it does make a lot more sense.

Oh, okay. Oh, it's his father. It's his father. Even though he looks like he is also 22 years old. Yeah. I think that's just an old, I think it's just an old woman watching a movie. Yeah, yeah.

They're all, they're all either 50 or 20. Or 20, yes. But he's such a little scrono in this. I'm used to daddy Zach Efron now, because he's all full up now. He's all filled out. He's all throbbing now.

Is he working a lot still? I mean, this is my... Oh, yeah, he's still going, dog. And he looks great. Does he do, what is he trying to do now? Is he still just do like heart throbby fair? No, no, that's why like he's completely like changing his.

Right. Because he was in that, the new version of Fire Starter. He was, he played, what's his name? He played, oh God, Bundy, Ted Bundy. Remember, extremely wicked, shockingly evil and vile? Yeah. That's so funny. So he's like really changing his image.

It kind of does look like Ted Bundy. Dude, the movie wasn't so great, but he did a very good job. I feel like that's always those serial movies. The movie itself is never good, but the serial, the actor usually does. Well, unless you're watching something that's really fucked up, like, you know, like Henry portrait of a serial killer or something. Right, right. Yeah, I know about it. Yeah, that's when I never did either just because, like, when do I?

Dude, I watched it for the first time, like, two years ago. Rough. It's a lot. It was kind of funny because it was like always at Blockbuster and stuff. And it was like... Wow. I didn't know how rough it was. I thought it was just like, oh, I just missed it.

And then I watched it and it was just like, I felt like I had to take a shower afterwards. I gotta say there hasn't been any like major homophobia or racism yet that we've noticed. No, it's like a generally, it's like a general wash of not that. Like, you know, in the same way that there could be lots of. of like homophobic bullshit in this and there's none of it. It's just... Not so far, which is impressive because again, we watched Holiday and Handcups, which I believe was 2009. Just the casual homophobia is

just rampant. And like Sharpay's brother, I wouldn't make fun of him for being like obviously, most likely a homosexual character, but I would make fun of him for these hats. Right. I think right. Maybe the brother is kind of... Weewoo! Fashion police. You're under arrest. And for you and Charpe's hats. I think maybe Sharpay's brother, though, you're right, it's like a little bit coded to be like an annoying queer, you know.

But that's, I think that they're, I think it's bad in them saying nothing about it, though, in the same way. Right, right, right. Oh, no, we're including and we're not excluding anyone, but we're also not like really talking about that. Right. And like, isn't this kind of why you hate them, you know? Yeah, you know, like it is. But.

So I do feel like they are saying something without saying anything. Yeah, right. But it's not, I'm surprised that they haven't been like, you're going to try out for the musical UF word, you know, which is like what it was like actually like in 2006. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, God, was it Mr. Hollins opus where the, like, he encouraged the basketball players to do ballet so that they would be like more agile? You know, I haven't seen Mr. Holland's opus since it came out. I just can't believe you don't have it at the top of your brain skin. I mean, I've known you for a long time,

but you bring up Mr. Hollis opus pretty frequently. It's weirdly ingrained in my brain, too. It came out at a time where I was particularly, like, unable to find stuff to do, and, like, going to the movies was just something I did fucking all the time. So I just happened to see that movie, like, three times in the theater.

Yeah, it's like me with pay it forward. Yeah. You just, like, it just was that weird window where you just, you needed to get out of the house. And, you know. Yeah. so you're not going to say no to another viewing of it. I'm going to go ahead and say this right now, though.

We're like way over halfway. We've got like 40 minutes left this movie. Three songs? I was going to say, I keep thinking we're at the beginning in the movie and then being like, but time is passing, but like nothing's happening. The time is passing well for me. I don't feel like this is not a slog. No, that's not a song.

This kind of reminds me when I recently went back and watched Mulan and there were like four songs. I was like, and Enchanted was like that too. I think there were like three. I was like three songs? I thought this was a whole last musical. Hold on. I can't wait until when he gets into Frozen because I watch Frozen every day now.

I watch it in about half. They watch about a half of Frozen broken up over the course of the day. And there are so many songs in Frozen. There's a song about every four minutes. I mean, most of them are good. I do like, I've seen Frozen and the sequel, which is not as good. But I like Frozen. Yeah, I like it too.

It's a good. If you are going to be watching a movie every day for a year, which you probably will be with a toddler, like, you know, you can try to make it be frozen. Moana, I think Frozen walks so that Moana could run. You know, Moana is better, I think. Wait, is this spoken word, like, poem moment happening right now? I think so.

Oh, that's what this is missing. Spoken word poetry. So they're making a case to her that he's a badman? I think that there's some sort of academic team thing happening. Stay with us nerds. Ah, I see. Be a feminist, they're saying. They're just standing women right now.

As someone that was in the Odyssey of the Mind, I completely understand. Whoa, is Odyssey of the Mind coming up again for me this week? Oh, again this week. Yes, I literally brought it up in an episode I recorded on Wisdom and the Brewster and I've been hit up by like a few different people being like, holy shit, you blew my mind today. I too was an Odyssey of the Mind. MJ, do you know what Odyssey of the Mind was? No. Nerd shit.

You would have loved Odyssey of Mind. Oh my God, MJ. It was like, you had to, okay. So there was these, it was these competitions, and it was, it was performance-based and like this task base. It was like, we had to put weight, we had to create like a wooden structure with very specific requirements out of like toothpicks. But there's a long-term project, but that's the short-term project.

Uh-huh. It's like science club. For us, it was the long-term. For us, that was long-term. project. And then there was a different one where they'd show you the puzzle the day of and you had to like try to solve the puzzle. But you also had to make a performance out of it.

So we did it to the tune of Walk Like an Egyptian and we wore like ancient Egypt garb. And our long term project was all about the Knights of the Roundtable. And so we created a revolving set made out of PVC pipes that we had to like demonstrate the like the, the story of Morgana Lafay. And so I played Morgana Lafay and like we had like all of these different like scene changes. But like that was our long term project. It was fun, dude. Man.

So it was like science nerdy mixed with like performance and like. Then there was improv because there was spontaneous, which was like the actual like day of the competition where you had to go in and like do these improv games. But essentially be the best at it because you would get points for everything you used. said. Yeah. It was crazy. Also, by the way, he's a bad man, and he chooses sport over the heart where his songs are. I don't care.

I just, I mean, there's a song happening. Another song and some conflict for fucking once. It seems that, I mean, it seems that they have a video of him being like, I'm just doing this for the, what? He said that, I don't care about Gabriella. Like, he said that. He said that about her. But yeah, but he was just saying that to defend himself.

To the basketball pros. Yeah, for his sport posse, please. Oh, pretend that you don't really cares. That was my whole high school. You know, it's funny, because I look at this outfit, and I know that it's, like, dated, but I couldn't tell you what women wear now either. You know, I'm like, I know that this is not what looks good anymore,

but I also don't know what does look good. It's because of the low-rise jeans, so they're the long cameys that hit the top. of the low-rise jeans. So in reality, it doesn't look bad, but we know that, like, her ass is barely in, like, it's like that her pussy is barely covered by her jeans. And the camy is pulled all the way down to the top of her fupa. Not that she has one because she's very smart.

I get that you're having a pussy jeans moment right now, but I'm trying to have a moment with the song, which I find to be quite beautiful. And I'm having a pussy jeans moment. Oh, she's so upset. It's her big solo moment, Jackie. What do you think about it? This is, every time I'm upset, I just grip and just like flop around the hallways of wherever I am.

And I go, my pussy's barely covered. So I have to say that I do find the emotional stakes to be incredibly not compelling. But that's not to say I'm not enjoying it. I just feel like. But it's just a fun light. Yes, totally light, totally. But these pictures have any. even talk to each other.

They like just met 10 minutes ago. Yeah, they met through the song. I can't believe how fast the movie's going and how like what even, yeah, how little to me has actually come to a head. Very little has happened. Can I ask this? I feel like we're far enough in for you to answer this question. I know I would have hated it.

Do you think you would have liked this musical movie when it came out like when you were the intended audience for it? No. No. No. No. We were haters. We were haters. We're all three of us.

Like now that I think that we really learn. It's too shiny. They're too pretty. They're too perfect. I would hate your haters. I still have hard time feeling bad for the like pretty popular girl. You know what I mean? I guess that's not true though.

If I was nine maybe, but not even. Oh, I was actually a really big hater when I was nine. I could handle the popular. I'm like, oh, I'm going to feel bad for you. When I, you know, the thought of showing my penis to a girl like you would make you vomit. So I don't. don't feel bad. That's also this time period in my life that I'd be like, oh, boo-hoo, you're

hot, the hot guy likes you, boo. Oh, you can sing, like I guess, especially as a fat girl. And you're smart. Yeah, like, I don't give a shit about you. I hated people who had everything going for them. Hated that. And I just hated people who seemed like happy go lucky. Yeah, and people who were happy go lucky. Well, I hated happy endings. That's why I want to go back and watch Can't Hardly Wait, because I, like, ended up hating that movie because it had, like, the nerd boy got the hot popular girl that he was been in love with for years. Yeah, but it was Ethan Embry who's hot as shit. Yeah, he is. Oh, yeah, exactly, too.

But he was portrayed as the goofy, you know, nerd boy. And I was like, that's not how it happens. And I, like, hated it. And I hated anything with a happy ending. I get it, man. Except for massage parlors. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, I can't imagine myself in middle school and especially not in high school, like, you know, empathizing with a jock protagonist. Which is why I think it's important to remember that this was not for high schoolers. This was for younger kids, you know. Oh, he's good at both things? Yeah, right. That's got to be so hard for him to be so good at both things. Right.

Yes. Oh, I even had that. I had like the valedictorian of our class, who is awesome, by the way, Emily. shoutouts. You were so cool. I was such a dick. And she got the, like, she auditioned once for the school play,

got the lead female role, and I was so fucking jealous and pissed. Yeah. So I was like, oh, you're just good at all every, because I could never get the lead role. I always got the same role. The, like, comic relief that enters in the second act, the goofy wig guy that comes in and is like all over the place.

Yep. I was just, I was typecast from seventh grade. It was very upsetting. It was the same guy to do casting the play. He was like, you're always that guy. And I'm always going to pick a play with that guy because I know you're going to audition. I mean, that's pretty good, though.

Want to be the lead. Yeah, he was probably like, I'm really giving holes in something to thrive in. And you're just like, this fucker. Yeah, yeah. And I'm like, this fucking guy, give me the thing. Let me. Oh, my God.

Are they going to be normal? Ooh. Are they going to kiss? Did you ask? Where are kissing? Yeah. No kissing. Screw you, Disney.

I want kissing. Not horny enough for Jackie, that's for sure. No way. But it wouldn't be. It's not going to be. Is Glee a little hornier? Does Glee go there a little bit more? I don't know.

We've never seen it. Oh my God. We got to stop talking about it because we're going to manifest somehow, us being forced to watch it for, like, content. Did you ever watch even Stevens, you guys? I loved Even Stevens. That was what we were not too,

we were not too old for that, like, era of Disney. whatever other shows were on at the time, I don't remember, but I loved even fucking Stevens. And I didn't have, like, I don't even think we had the Disney Channel. You would have been, because you're John's age,

you're my brother's age, and it would have been too, it would have been really weird if you watched anything on the Disney channel. John has never seen anything on the Disney channel because it was just like. But the Disney Channel existed while we were around,

but it was this like, you only got, it was on like, 17 though. It was on like weird cable. Yeah. It like didn't. Because it had to have existed.

You had Britney Spears and Christine Aguilera and a ton of people came from like Disney. This era of Disney because I remember it had, it was this transition from Nickelodeon. And then when I was like 12, it was like, oh, there are some shows on the Disney channel. Like even Stevens was one of them. And like. Well, and they were all like live action kids. Yeah. Exactly.

Shows. Whereas I'm a TGIF kid. Right, right. You know. I mean, that's my. just too old to like ever reasonably watch anything on the Disney channel. And Nickelodeon for sure. Hey dude.

Oh, I hate to salute your shorts. You can't do that on television, bro. I still think it has so many funny conceits not being able to say the word water and I don't know. Yeah. Double dare. I fucking love Nickelodeon all the Nickelodeon shows. All day.

You know you can watch double dare on like Netflix now. Really? You can just watch old episodes of it. Yeah. Look at these nerd ass bitches by the way. the like the sweet life of the sweet life of Zach

and Cody era of Disney. Jag is getting hammered. I never get drunk while recording anymore so I forget. I know. I love this movie night thing. This is such a great idea. Sorry,

I didn't mean to interrupt you, MJ. What were you saying? No, no, I was just pontificating about the... Shows we liked as again. We were talking about like, well, it started with Disney, you know, being kind of like Disney Channel that it, the monster that it is now,

the, you know, and how much... Yes, the tween stuff. They had, like, we don't really... Exactly. And that started when we were tweens. Yeah. We had TGIF and we had Nickelodeon

for our like, live action shows geared towards our age, but yeah, we didn't... But it was, there was this... You're totally right, Jackie. It was the marketing of, like, shows starring like 10 and 11 and 12-year-olds for 10 and 11 and 12-year-olds

like even Stevens. And it was just like that, emerged kind of that filled this void after Nickelodeon, like a transition from Nickelodeon, but Holden would have been like 16 when that was happening, and he would have just been, it would have been weird if he had watched any of it. Because we had things like Xenon Girl of the 21st century. We had Brink. We had smart house.

We had like those kind of movies. I've never heard of any of them. They're the Disney Channel movies that played all the time. See, we had boy meets world, you know, fucking. Of course. Honestly, like, home improvement. Home improvement. Oh, yeah.

Full house. Full house. All the TJI have sister sister. Step by step. Step by step. I still don't understand how they met when he was on vacation, but they go to the same school. She moved.

Somebody's mother got a new job. Ah, gotcha. I also understand why Perfect Strangers was in the mix on that. Because everything else was centered around like kids and like, and then you just have bulky and this other guy in this apartment in New York or whatever. Zaney Holden. It was Zany. He had these grown men

Odd couple knockoff thing going on. It was just so out of place in hindsight. What do you mean? Oh my God. I would have killed for a four poster bed. How did he get on her balcony? But I would have killed for a four post. Do you like scary movies?

It's skeet. Did you guys want a four post? bed, I feel like it was always in all these shows and movies. I mean, I still do. I still kind of do too. I always wanted the bed from Michael Cain's bed and Muppa Christmas Carol. Michael Kine. Yes.

Ew. Okay, here we got a little son. Ew, cringe. At this age, if someone came to my balcony and sang like this, I want to pretend like I'd be like, ew, you're a fucking idiot, but I would just be like, oh, my God. Yeah. So, someone did it now? Okay, so by the way, full disclosure, definitely wrote a song for my crush.

who I was incredibly friend zoned by and had her come to my place and I played it for her on guitar and like song it to her. Did you at least kiss afterwards? I think I also did that. I think I did that for Lex each other. I think Lex, I've done it a few times.

I've written a song for a girl and like wrote out the lyrics and like played it for her. I need you to hear. I need to hear you play these songs. I mean, I'll hit up Liz. I'll see if she, I doubt she has it. That'd be such a weird thing to keep.

Well, I also did a thing with my crush. I wrote, okay, I wrote my, college paper on this. Let me regale you with this, called the prom song. So I was asked to give an advertisement for prom at school assembly, which is for like ninth through senior year, um, high school. And I was like, can I do whatever I want? And they were like, yeah, absolutely. So I wrote this song asking my crush Liz to prom with the guitar. Um, I talked to her beforehand. I told her exactly what to say. Good. That you talked to her beforehand. I told, no, no, yeah. Well, we'll get there. I get up on stage.

I go, I get up on stage. I'm, I'm introduced to come up on stage to do announce for prom. Like, so, and prom's coming up. And like, for this, I wrote a song asking someone in this room to the prom. And I'm going to play it for you right now. I play the song. Like, the first joke in the song, I have to stop playing. Because the, like, it was this dream moment.

Like, I crush. I kill. every joke. I remember it was, I want to ask someone to the prom, but I can't drive past nine o'clock. So I have to catch a ride from my mom. I mean, this is not great stuff.

But I had a learner's permit. You couldn't drive after nine. Everyone, like, it goes so well. Then at the end, so Liz, and like, I hit her name, like, right in the chorus. So everyone's like, ah, like, like they find out who I'm asking, like kind of in the middle of the song.

The very end, I'm like, so Liz, we go to the prom with me. I'm wearing like a bow tie. I look so pathetic. I'm wearing like khaki pants and like a bow tie jacket. She gets up. She's just like,

I would, but I'm kind of waiting for someone else to ask me. She said that at the assembly. Which is what I told her to say though. Oh. It was like performance art. I wanted everyone in the room

to feel how I felt since freshman year when I asked someone to prom and they said, or to homecoming and they said no. But then they just feel bad for you. you. Yeah, what happened? That was part, that was just part of the joke. So awkward. Like total cringe comedy. Like, yeah, like you're just making the audience uncomfortable. Like I crushed, dude, I got a standing ovation. Shout out to Liz too for fucking not just saying yes. Because dude, that took some balls, bro, to stick it up. I got a standing ovation.

Wow. It was so crazy. I wrote a whole, it's what, yeah, my college essay that got me in to fucking FSU or whatever, yeah, was this story. Oh my God. Wow. Yeah. The only problem is the big regret, I get off stage, I'm like shaking. It was like this insane moment for me performance wise. Liz gets up.

She's like on the thing. She's like, all right, hold and come out. Let's do the whole thing. And I like didn't fucking come out because I like was like standing by my laurels that like, and I've regretted to this day. I should have come back out and be like it was a joke. Oh, you wanted to like. you wanted to be real and I wanted her.

Performance art always bites you in the ass. I also just want to say real quick, all of this is for a call back audition. Yeah, they haven't even started the fucking musical. I think part two, the sequel will be about. Is it really? Why are we not? We have 24 minutes left.

How are we not like in the rehearsal phase of this show? Like this show, this movie should culminate with opening night. If it doesn't culminate with opening night, I'm going to be enraged. Enraged. But it's also ball things. Oh, the nerds and the ballers together at last. Finally. I can't believe it's all for callbacks and not for the actual show.

I would have resented the fuck out of this moment, by the way. I'm like, that's not how it works. The jocks of my schools are all bullying. they're all assholes. They would never do this. They would never get together. I'm actually mad about this right now. I have heard, I really do hope,

but I know MJ you've said this in the past two. I have heard at least that the tides have changed a little bit. There's a bit more acceptance in different, like, click communities. Except for the fact that that young man can't read. And they definitely just made a weird joke about how he can't. Oh, no. I missed it.

I mean, what I was working in middle school there was, it was admittedly a very small school, but it was like a totally, like completely blurred identity lines in terms of like, who was good at. Everybody get up. You want it. No! The dancers and the smart kids. And it was, there was just, it wasn't so siphoned off like this.

But I'm going to be working with high school all next year. So we'll see. I was really annoyed at that. The grade below me, who I was friends with a lot of those guys, a fair share of them were like in my theater crew. They were like, our grade's so much fucking better, man. We all get along. Like there's no bullshit.

The football players and we all party together. Yeah. I'm like, I'm so jealous of that, man. So we were so segregated. Which is the final word to say is I think we had one black guy. Right. In our grade. But regardless.

Get a shirt on. I don't like this. Shirtless. Sure on, Zach, Ephron. What a shirt on. Because you know what, I know that guy's not actually your dad, so... Yeah, just put a shirt on. Let's put the shirt on.

I don't need to see you. I mean, again, I know that this isn't for us, but still, shirt on. Honestly, the mind is so much cooler than this, and I feel like they're really painting nerds in a bad light. Is this a real thing, by the way, the decathlon, the, like, science decathlon? Yeah, I think so. Probably.

I kind of wish I, in hindsight now, I kind of wish I had done, I don't think we had debate, but I wish I had done debate because I'd love to know how to argue better. Yeah, but you don't want to be a person who was like, I did debate. You know, I feel like the people, we're the people who are like, I did theater and that's hard enough. But if you're like the adult who's like, oh, I know how to debate, you know, that's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I just want to learn little tricks and stuff. And all the debate people went on to be lawyers.

And fallacies. if you can like learn all the fallacies, people are full of fallacy. When they argue, you can constantly be like, that's a fallacy of logic. That doesn't, you're like, that's a fucking bull, you know what I mean? Yeah. Twitter. Yeah, but tell them. When you point out someone's fallacy on Twitter, it's not like you win, you know, you just kind of lose.

They don't care. This is all still for the callbacks? Yes. What performance is going? going to be the culmination at the end of this fucking movie. So these are... Oh, my God. Oh, no.

This can't be... Is this a problem... One of the problematic moments. Oh, no! Yes. It's a no for me, Doug. We finally got one, though. I knew there had to be one.

I was waiting for the racism to come in, and here it is. I thought they were going to do the fucking mask. I thought they were going to do... They call me I thought it was going to be that We like heard it with the camera D.S part. I haven't thought about that performance of the mask. They call me Cuban beat.

Somebody stuck me. I'm the guy with the jungle beat. Yes! That I don't care. That holds up. I don't care. I cancel me. I would actually love to rewatch the mask.

Oh, yeah. See, this is all fine. Except for the like IAIS they did at the beginning. Yeah. Well, at least they didn't continue with a Hispanic accent for the song. That's good. Do you imagine? Okay.

We're going to have a good little juxtaposition montage. We like that. Yes. This is very Riverdale to have like the most important moment in the basketball game is happening at the same time, the most important moment in the audition. It's so funny. I feel like with all of these movies, especially the first in a series, there's always a weird shocking revelation when you go back and watch it.

Like in Friday the 13th, like you don't really see Jason, you know, like that kind of thing. So you're liking high school musical to Friday. Yes. And this, the big shocking thing is like, they don't even get past the callback. Like, I'm sure they'll probably maybe end on like the musical, I guess a number from this fake musical. Will they? I don't know. I'm looking at the time.

We've got 18 minutes. We don't have time. I don't know. But they're already winning their athleticons and he's got his balls. So I don't know. And now they're sending codes of some sort. What the hell was that? I love it.

I love it when shows have to show that people, the kids are smart and they're just like type, type, type, type, type. Yeah, yeah. Technology. Science experiments and stuff. Like that was. Yeah. Like a lot of, just like a lot of math equations with Perretti.

The smart kids, no, no, no. The smart kids literally just were alone in their room doing, like, homework and reading and shit. That's what the smart kids did. But they, like, weren't Einstein, which is how they're portrayed in movies. They don't just, like, know how to, like, do science. Right. In fact, it's more that their parents forced them to study while everyone else got to have fun and do stuff. Pretty much.

Oh, my God, he's got to go. He's got a callback to get you. And the message has already been transmitted. Science. I love generic science. Bubbling science. I love it. Oh, it's a distraction.

Always makes me think of multiplicity. I just love all those movies where you're like, hey, you know, and then like science happens, science happens, science happens. And then something happens. Yeah. Classic. They're still singing, dude. Yeah, they'll wipe away your inhibitions, bro.

this is you know I know that people get weirded out by my brother and sister relationship but this is a different level yeah are they gonna kiss well they should definitely be cast in the musical

they're great and like a good role yeah they're really strong skimble shanks and rumple teas right they want the lead or right or whatever it's just so funny it's like to all of these kids who have this, demonstrate this level of talent and, you know,

are basically look like that. You're going to be fine. If you don't get the lead role in the high school musical, I'm pretty sure you have a career ahead of you. Just stay with it. Don't tell me that when you didn't learn the choreography echoes in my soul. You didn't get the choreography in your heart. You had your head in the game.

You had your head. You had your head in the singing. No. Not the choreography in your heart. Jackie. Amiakachi's in her lab code! Maybe if you'd submit more time at the science decathlon, you would have gotten the choreography in your heart.

I would have known. But look, everybody's coming to watch them. Yeah, there's really just not going to be, well, like I said, the final credit C number, I think is going to be the musical, right? Yeah, it's got to be. If not, this is, I want to call this Blue Balls the musical. Whoa.

Blue Balls. I will say, I'm still such a bitch, though, for when, like, everybody shows up in the end to see if they can do it. Like, I still get, like, oh. Yes, I'm already loving the scene. It's great. Everybody's going to be there. Perfect setup. This was like that moment for me with prom song.

It was just like that. Except did you go to the prom alone, Holden? No, I took a girl who definitely was sad when I asked her to go. I saw the look on her face, me, and that look of like, man, this is the last prom. All right. At least she had somebody, you know. Somebody took her.

We had a fine time. That was the fun thing to, they always had a great time in the high, they were like, you were actually a lot of fun. Yeah. Oh, fuck. That was my whole high school experience. He's bringing up a lot for holding.

It is. I still, yeah. I was a, I was a dumb fuck, fuck head, but like. So was everybody else. So is everybody else. So is everybody else. That's high school, right? That's exactly what high school is.

None of it matters. Oof. Oh, I do not like either of their singing voices. It's insufferable. I cannot believe this whole movie doesn't even have a high school musical in it. I know. It's like I said, I mean, 13 minutes. I just, how are we not, we not get the musical.

I think they're going to cut to maybe. I think so. They're going to skip rehearsal. Rehearsal is the sexiest most making out filled part. Exactly. We're going to jump past the whole. I mean, I hate to say this, but like, I kind of want to see the second one now.

I want to see the sex of rehearsal, you bastards. Summer Camp. I love a summer camp movie. And I want to see a fucking high school musical. You're going to make us watch the second one. Sounds like he's just the audition process. I will say that chat did say that the second one is actually funnier than the first one because it's much worse. Oh, wow, okay.

Oh, good. It just starts getting like really so bad. It's good. Like very cringy. I'm going to say right now I would super watch the second one. No, are we trapped? MJ, you called this. You've only one to be called this.

There's only three. We don't have to do the show. We super don't have to do the show, which I don't even know how many episodes of that there are. And I don't know. I kind of want to see them graduate. It's just going to become a high school musical podcast if we have to fucking enter this universe. We will be arrested for our sins. I got to say, I think that we would actually enjoy Glee a lot more because Glee's doing shit like don't stop believing and stuff.

Yes. They have that racist woman on it. Who can't read. And who can't read. I do appreciate that seems That should make fun of the illiterate. I mean, come on. It seems the pianist character is, like,

in the same way of, like, Sharpay's brother, it seems the pianist character is a trans character that they are nodding to but not bringing up. Yeah, certainly getting some gender queer vibes from the pianist. I'm also going to say this right now. I appreciated the choreography from the other two a little bit more. This is a little bit more kind of free-flowing.

Yeah, where's the, you know, the sequined ladder? That might be my biggest note. My biggest note for the whole film is that there has not been enough choreo. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, and every time, but every time there was choreo, which I like that we call it that now. We don't call it choreography. We call it choreo because we're professionals.

I will agree with that. But I will agree with that. But I will say every time there was choreo, there was some strong choreo. Yeah. There were, yes. We saw the basketball choreo was good chore. It was pure uncut choreo.

I don't know. I need more. Yeah, sure. It made it. But that was a testament how good it was. It made me yearn for more. Yeah. Wow.

This was the thing I always dreamed of in high school. I always thought if I'm in the right show and the right hot. MJ, I had it. That's the thing with the prom song. It really happened. They all stood up. Everyone cheered. Yeah.

And you still didn't get to go. I know you told her to say no, but did you actually want her to say yes? Yes. If this is the problem. I told her that if you say yes, you have to go to prom with me. That is a big stakes. It was definitely kind of me trying to trick a woman. I feel like Charlie from It's Always Sunny with the, uh,

With the waitress. With the day man musical. If you ever see that episode, it is a must fucking watch episode. Yeah, where I essentially orchestrated this whole thing to try to force this girl to go to probably use my big crush.

And she didn't, yeah. You still gave her an option, which is, you know what, much nicer than most boys that age. Yeah, that is good. I should have walked back out. That was a dick move. I told her I'd already left

out the back of the theater, but I should have walked back out. I definitely threw her to the, threw her to the lions on that one. I feel really bad about it. And again, shout out to Liz. We're still friends of this day. Like, she's awesome.

We reunited in New York City and became really, like, close. Oh, that's nice. Yeah, yeah. It was, like, really awesome. Talk about Blue Balls, the musical. Just kiss, damn it. Ew. Understudy, she couldn't get a better.

There's only one role in the musical. There's so many. her. She's very good. What is the musical, first of all. What musical are they doing? And second of all, does it have more than one woman in it? Guys, we got eight minutes. We're getting, we're getting a taste

of it. We are not getting a final number. Are they, do they make an entire fucking cinematic universe while never naming the musicals they're performing? It's just, well, it's called East High School's and the musical I think it's just high school musical. I mean, I get that because it's not like they could be like.

Love story that came out of They're not going to get the rights. The pianist and the science boy? Yeah, why not? Corio! Corio, Lord! It's not how is this at the basketball court? How is this at the basketball court?

Why isn't it the musical that they've been working on? Yeah, right. Really, a high school musical, the fucking final number is going to be a pep rally? and not opening night? I can't believe it. As a theater nerd. It really is the Jason Voorhees' mother of Disney films. I can't believe this.

It's crazy. I'm almost upset about this is when I found out that Edward couldn't have sex with Bella in Twilight. When I found out that there was no sex in Twilight. This song is warming my heart, though. I don't know if you guys are feeling the same way about it. Oh hey, look at this getting a freak on the penis. Really cute, yeah, for sure. I need to know how old she is.

I'm sorry, I don't care. I don't know. She's not attractive to be in that way, but she's cute. How upset would you guys be if your kids' school wore all white uniforms that you had to try to keep clean? Can you imagine? Yeah, no, I'm not doing that. Because you can't even bleach it because of the red letter. this guy

apparently Charpey Ashley Tessdale and her brother character hated each other while they were shooting oh really oh really that's really good for the villain characters though like that I think that helps the performance yes I just love that the pianist had a whole she's all that arc that is just barely being

acknowledged yeah I was trying to give them big ups here for a representation even though not bringing up their representation and then immediately like, no, but don't you see? I also have long hair. She was just mousy all along, Jackie. We thought she was gender queer, but she was just mousy. There's no way Ashley Tisdale would be over this yet. I'm still upset about nonsense from my junior year of high school. There is no way that Ashley Tisdell's okay. Did you have the choreography? Did you have it? I didn't. I didn't. I can't flatball change, okay? I can't. I can't. I can't. do it.

So much money to see the tape of that tap dance. I can't do it right. Also, I didn't even tell you guys, my best friend did get the role who couldn't sing or act as well as I could, but she could tap dance. And the fucking bitch got it. Why didn't they just have you both do it? And when the tap dance seed came up, she just walked in and like, I think it was sister Mary Hubert, if I remember correctly.

She's like teaching, like it's like, she's teaching. the date. Like she's supposed to know it's a big number. Well, it sounds like even though Holden and Liz are still cool, Jackie and this bitch are not still cool. We don't talk. Yeah, right? How do you feel, Jackie, how do you feel about tap dance now, like the art of tap? I think I want to master it.

I think this is my new. I think I need to show. Well, we know someone who's been working as a tapist this all time. Miss 9.8 herself. Miss Julie Rosen, Ed's wife. Has she been tap-tapping? She's a tap dancer? She's been going to tap dance classes.

I fucking, I've been wanting to go to tap dance classes. She did like a recital. This was like a decent amount before the wedding, but she did a whole tap performance, I thought. What? Yeah, it was like a class show or whatever. No, I've looked at there's a tap studio not that far from my house. I bet that's probably where she goes.

Ask her about it. She's been doing it. Wow. Can I, can I heal my heart? I can't believe I'm saying this out loud. I really wanted to give this movie the benefit of the doubt. We're really not going to end with the fucking opening night.

No opening night. It's like waiting for Godot. I cannot believe there's no fucking musical. If you want to ask me if I would have liked this movie or not, the fact that it ends on a goddamn basketball court would have made me fear. Very upset. I'm very upset about it. Furious.

For a callback? Right now, I'm not sure how I feel. I've enjoyed watching it, but I don't know if I would say that I like this movie. Right, right. It definitely wasn't a slog. It was no Gile. It was no, although, I don't know, are you saying Gile? Oh, there's a way.

Glea was hard to watch. Credit scene. They're going to go back to the end of the basketball court. The guy that likes creme brulee and Ashley Tisdale. Oh. Oh, no. Oh no. Oh no.

So she has indeed So she sexually assaults him. That's where we're ending on. That's what you're ending. I was waiting for something like this, though, you know. Lots of. That's what you're ending on? I got to say, I will watch the second one,

but don't ever make me watch this one again. Oh my God. Bizarre. I'll see you guys like my wallpaper. It's pretty fun, right? I can't believe that it ended with her being sexually aggressive towards the poor ball player who just wanted to make great. I don't think it was sexual, per se.

I'm stunned. I'm like, I'm a little bit happy. I'm a little bit angry. Yeah, I think the whole thing is, you know, and again,

just sometimes you watch like the first in a series and you get to the end, you're like, there's no hockey mask. There's no monster with a hockey mask stabbing. It's his mom. You're right. Spoiler alerts. By the way,

over the first Friday of their teeth. This was really like that for me. It was like, there's no actual musical. And it like, we didn't get the rehearsal montage. I thought for sure there was going to be. And there was, I'm sorry. Preparing for the audition montage. They were painting the sets.

Everybody, everybody that's anybody knows if you work in high school theater, that you are painting the sets up until the day the show opens. You're not doing that before the call back. before the callback. Especially for an original work that no one's ever seen before. For a musical that appears to have two roles only because there was a-

You're not gonna gas those. These bitches didn't even get another part. I cannot believe there's not a musical in this fucking movie. If it was Jackie's teacher, she would have gotten the part because there was actual choreography and she had the choreography,

whereas the other two, mophead and fucking high voice. Yeah, they're just flopping around the stage like fish. Yeah, they were just kind of swaying and shit. There was no. We don't want to have some choreography between the two of them. Okay.

I will definitely give this three and a half stars. It sadly makes me want to watch the rest in the series to be quite honest with you. Three and a half out of five? Hold on a four. Out of five. Okay, I'll agree with that. I guess I don't want to watch this movie again ever. I'll never watch it again.

I will watch the next two. But this movie has to be on in the background, though. That's fine. With a bunch of screaming kids, blocks being knocked over. Yeah, that's fine. Right. If my children love this movie, that will be fine. But it's not, but I won't.

It's not a cult classic for me. You saying that like it gets better as it goes with the possibility because it gets worse. Only the second one, though. I only have intel on the second one. How is the third one not? Third one's got to be much worse. Yeah. But is it going to be worse in a good way or a bad?

way. That's the question. Because this was kind of not bad enough to be like really, it wasn't enjoyable for being bad. It was enjoyable for being like kind of good. Yeah, it's not like cat. It's somewhere between Gilly and Cats. 83% on Rotten Tomatoes. With a 72% audience score. I love a summer camp movie too. Like I love a summer movie. Yeah. Yeah. Are we really going to have to watch the damn set? Well, you know, we have to go. The network has to take a, a, a couple weeks off another time in the future. So who knows?

I mean, maybe we'll just wait for that. I don't know if we have to make it a fucking, you know, second, eighth job, per se, watching through all this. We're not going to Riverdale it. Don't worry. I love the hesitancy.

It's like, oh, my God, it's happening again. We're not going to Riverdale ourselves. MJ and I have been trapped. Okay? We got trapped and it's not a, we're scared of making more commitments. I know. I hear.

Like, don't. make us to watch everything that's ever been made about high school musical. And who knows, maybe we'll even do a Twitter. We could do this, we could do a Twitch thing for the second one. We could do, we don't have to, too. We don't even, you know, we could do it kind of differently. I'm glad we watched it, though. Yeah, yeah.

I loved this. I do also have in the back of my head for us to see if, like, what American Pie is at this point. We have to do American Pie next. I think we have to do it at some point. And we should do that for an episode or for a stream. I don't know, they would both be fun. I enjoyed this.

At the end of the day, at this point in my life, at least, if it is a musical, I will not have a bad time. Yeah. You know, it is really hard for me to find, I think, a musical where I'm like, I just actually hate this. Don't like that. You know what I mean? Yeah, dude. If there's songs and shit, at least I'm just not stuck in anything, if there's songs and stuff. Yeah.

Like Power of the slog, dude. No, so overall, we kind of liked it. Yeah, I was way better than Power of the Slog. Oh, yeah. Power of Slog is like a minus two. I would rather watch the high school musical four more times in a row than watch Power of the Slog. I'd rather get a hand job from a fucking bear than watch Power of the Slok and watch Power of the Slok. One day, I wish it upon you and Gideon to watch Power of the Slok just so you can feel it.

I'd rather have Freddie Kruger, like, choose me as his next, you know. Yeah, man, never sleep again. And I'd also rather never sleep again to not have to deal with Freddie Kruger than watch power of this longer. Exactly. All right, we got to get out of here. Thank you, everybody, for joining us. We're on vacation right now. So at least that's nice at the time of the, that you're, if you hear this right when it's released.

And we'll be back with more page seven. Yeah. And thank you so much for joining us. This is great. say anything right now uh twitch. tv.4 slash Hold Nader's Ho. Yeah, man. I'm Jackie. You know, you can come watch me on Twitch.

I don't know what's Jackie if you want. It's late here. Yeah, we got to get out of here. It's very late. I'm just delir. I may as well be up in the middle of the night. It's 11 o'clock where I am. That's insane.

I'm MJK LKD on Instagram and there's no fucking musical in high school musical. Yeah, there's just not a musical. There's no musical. in mind blind. I can't believe it. All right y'all, have a good one. Bye, cuties. We'll be back to this week. Bye, everyone. This show is made possible by listeners like you. Thanks to our ad sponsors, you can support

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