Page 7 - It's Page Therapy This Week

Episode Date: June 19, 2025

This week MJ and Jackie are droppin' Page 7 SANS GUEST, because ain't NO ONE ELSE INVITED TO THIS BESTIE SLUMBA PARTAH!! MJ wanted to watch 'Baby Girl', but Gideon wasn't in the mood so they turned up the heat with an even sexier 'Baby Girl'....Nathan Fielder. Father's Day weekend came and went with both MJ and Jackie having noticed there appears to be no songs about dads that aren't sad dad or sexy dad, MJ remembers catalogues from yesteryear full of items that you could never possibly afford, and then talk 'bout the risin' trend of "raw doggin" everyday life; including Rob Lowe's recent gym workout. The book "Spare" by Prince Harry is possibly making Meghan Markle too humanized and now we're RUNNIN' OUT OF CELEBRITIES TO MAKE FUN OF UGH, Legolas seems to be preparing for a not so Unexpected Journey, and he did NOT want Katy to go to space. Jackie and MJ prove they're Sally Ride or Dies with a shoutout to the departed astronaut and her partner, who finally got permission to reveal their relationship 10 days before passing. For better or worse Sabrina Carpenter is makin' waves with her new albums PR campaign, and Jackie says 'Dangerous Animals' is great, despite not being about a hybrid shark man murderer, Jackie wants to talk about 'The Materialist', but it's full of spoilers so it's comin' after Jackie's Snackies! THEN WE GOT A LIST of '12 Musicians Who Tried Acting and FLOOOOPPPEEEDDD' (Thanks for THE LIST, Steven!), the Blindz, and Jackie's Snackies from 1:08:25.197 - 1:15:06.559 with MJ's Minute Munchies @ 1:12:04.469 AND 🚨 SPOILER ALERT🚨  SPOILER ALERT🚨 SPOILERS FOR THE MATERIALIST START AT 1:15:06.559🚨 AND MAKE SURE TO CHECK OUT THIS WEEK'S SECOND HELPINS WITH KARA KLENK! Want even more Page 7? Support us on Patreon! Patreon.com/Page7Podcast  Subscribe to SiriusXM Podcasts+ to listen to new episodes of Page 7 ad-free.Start a free trial now on Apple Podcasts or by visiting siriusxm.com/podcastsplus. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

I want to dedicate this to you, MJ, but I feel like technically you might dedicate it to me. Mm. Baby, I will be your father figure. Put your tiny hand in mind. I will be your preacher, teacher, everything you have in mind. I would be your father figure. I have had enough of crime. I will be the one who loves you till the end of time.

Yeah, I'm thinking about those TikToks. Yeah, I'm dreaming about, ooh, baby, they're dancing for me. Everybody wants a father figure from me. Maybe it's because I struggled through Father's Day over the weekend. I don't know. But, yes, the song has been trapped in my head, and it's so sexy. And I have to separate the world of father figure from the word father. You know, it's like, part of me, it's like, would it be?

better if it was, I will be your daddy figure? No, it wouldn't. I like that it's father figure, but I really am all kinds of confused. Hey, MJ, how are you? Welcome to page seven. Hi, Jackie. I'm all right. Welcome to page seven. We should, I need to respond to this, but we should just say right off the top here. We are not welcoming a guest today. No, we're not because none of them are welcome. No one's welcome today. You're not loud there didn't hear anymore. Everyone's banned until tomorrow, when you will hear the show that comes out on Fridays, our guest is going to be going to be tomorrow. And it's going to be Kara.

So, spoiler alert. It's going to be Kara. So definitely come hang out with us during second helpings this week. So kind of we just flopped the shows because we had some schedule screw amies. So don't worry. We are having a blast. And I'm over here just getting lost in the father figure of it all. So over the weekend, I wanted to make like a nice post.

And I did make a nice post about my husband being a nice father. Oh my God, how was it? How did it go? It was fine, but the problem is now I don't think maybe, okay, probably father figure has always been a song that is not one you actually want to post about when you're talking about an actual father. Because I was like, I can't, baby girl ruined this for, obviously, you know, it's on Instagram and I'm like, what song should I like? You say ruined. I say heightened and gave me a better experience with the song. You're right.

You're right. However. But also, have you get, have you gotten lost? I apologize if we've already spoken about this. Are you on that side of TikTok with this song with all the hot, like mask people that are dancing to this song because I've really lost myself. And it's still going. I wouldn't say that I'm like, oh, oh, the lesbians are giving me exactly. Exactly.

I love the lesbian talk. Give it me. Give it me now. No, I wouldn't say that I'm on that part of TikTok. I know, I mean, I, right. Join us. I will. I know about.

You have a gloss. I still haven't seen baby girl. I did suggest it to my husband the other day. And he said, I'm not in the mood for that. And I said, how could you not be? But fine. But we watched Nathan Fielder instead, which is like the opposite of baby girl. Absolutely the opposite of baby girl.

But I do understand that because I feel like sometimes you just don't want to watch something that's going to make you feel anything. And Nathan Fielder's show will make you feel some things. Just not what you expect. Yeah. Yeah. I guess we're not always in the mood to, you know, get turned on my Nicole Kidman. but I just, the problem is... I mean, speak her yourself.

Dude. What songs, I know there's many songs about fathers, but many of them are sad. And father figure is obviously too sexy. Like, can't do cats in the cradle. I know I could do Cat Stevens. Not going to do...

If you, I'm looking at a Reddit post songs about dads, somebody suggested tears in heaven by Eric Clapton. Are you on your mind? I mean, technically it is about being of you. Father? What? It is about that? It's wrong with you. Or you're left with a butterfly kisses.

Yeah, no, it's not good. Butterfly kisses. Have you ever played butterfly kisses for Gideon? Have you ever said this goes out to you and play it? I haven't and I won't. Yeah, Butterfly Kisses. Maybe that's what he's missing. What non-creepy, non-sad, not sexy song do you include on a,

Father's Day post. I will say I'm down with like daddy lessons. I'm down with like Yonsei and the chicks. Sure, you know, throw on one of those. Oh yeah. I feel like, you know, on this Southern living, why am I looking at Southern living? Southern living put wind beneath my wings. You know what this is forever my problem.

That's nice. That's because of the Simpsons episode where I'm not even for beaches, but because of the Simpsons episode where Homer helps Bart win the So Box Derby, they play Wind Beneath My Wings in that episode, which, so it's like, that turns it into a nice sweet dad. See, that's my problem is that in my brain, it is only a Beaches song. And how dare you take it and apply it to a father? But again, this is just someone that has daddy issues, obviously, so maybe I'm not the one

to ask. I think that the nation has daddy issues. Literally every, I'm looking at so many Reddit threads and everyone is suggesting. in cats in the cradle. And it's like, I don't think that that's what you mean. I mean, it is certainly a song about fatherhood, but it's not the one you want to post on your like your like loving tribute on Father's Day. Everyone wants cats in the cradle. Yeah, no, they're all sad. They're all sad. Because that's the thing too. I, like, I had already, I feel like had so much of a life experience where most Hallmark cards never made me feel the way I, that wasn't the

relationship I had with my father. Yeah, yeah. So I feel like it was all right. one of those of I didn't understand it. And I'm not, I'm not saying that I invalidate people that have good relationships with their fathers. I think it's beautiful. I think it's wonderful. I'm not saying it can't happen. I'm saying that it definitely can. And I think it's wonderful that a lot of people do have it.

But it is interesting as we get older that I think it is good that a lot of, you know, holidays like these are starting to be seen as like a, you know, we got to remember they're not great for everyone. Yeah. And I think it's good that we're starting to. open that up a little bit more. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. No, I also remember as a kid just being like the, the impression that like, oh, what was

that catalog? Ooh, it was a catalog from the 90s. Scholastic. No, it was like fun. Was it like wireless maybe? Was there a catalog called wireless? I love catalogs. Oh my God, MJ, did I tell you sometimes one of my favorite things to do?

I've talked about the stamps, right? That I like to go on the stamps website and see what stamps. are going to be coming out. And then I usually set a reminder as if I ever really am sending the stamps. But I do like to send things every once in a while. So I use the stamps. But I was so excited because I've purchased enough stamps off of the USPS.com that they have started sending me stamp catalogs.

And I have been begging between. This is a very father thing to do, Jackie. This is something a dad would do. I guess this is me that, like, becoming a father. And I do feel welcomed into your community. Thank you for having me, MJ. And it's almost like I've done all of the work to be a father. But all I've done is received a catalog for stamps.

Develop a weird solitary habit, which is a very father. Like, you have to have, like, if you're going to become a dad, I think you have to have like a weird habit that you use to escape your children. Well, I've got choir, but now I've also got stamps, I guess. Choir is, yeah. Well, I think the catalog was wireless. You remember the 90s genre of catalog that had everything. You could get a sweater about fishing.

You could get a paperweight about cats. You could get a clock that had like a, you know, a beer, you know, a beer joke on it. You could get a phone shaped like a pancake, like all of those things. I just remember getting, I remember being so profoundly confused by what like the nation's dad must have been like. because the nation's dad, all the Father's Day gifts are like, does your dad never spend time with you and is drunk all the time? And loves golf so much more than he loves you. And, you know, I was like, I have a father who likes to read and spend time with us.

And all of them. That's not a father. And I know, yes, I will check by my privilege. I know I'm one of the vast minority of people who had a father who didn't, wasn't obsessed with fishing. But I just all of the, all of the wireless imagery about fathers was just like, dads don't raise children. They fish.

And isn't that hilarious? Isn't it so fun? They're drunk fishermen exclusively. I just feel like this is like the rhetoric of being a father as well as like the idea of what we've seen in sitcoms about marriage, I feel like it also goes hand in hand of like, oh, the ball in chain. Like I feel like we were told our entire lives that being married is a problem and you're always going to hate it.

Yes. And you're never going to love the person ever. It's only going to get worse. Yeah. And I feel like that is, these are the kinds of things that were put into us in the 90s. Oh, yeah. This really, you get, you got wrapped up into it that I feel like part of the catalogs were like living in the world of the catalog.

Like I even remember, like, specifically, I would get so excited when the Harry and David catalog would come, just so I could look at the candies I could never afford. And I don't know why we got Harry and David. It wasn't like we were purchasing this. I think it was one thing that my mom probably signed up for to get a coupon at some point, you know? I've never heard of the Harry and David catalog, but I have Googled it and I'm looking at pictures,

and I would love to sit on a couch with this catalog. Oh, you see why. love that kind of catalog. I was the, I always had a stack of catalogs and I would go through. Yeah. And my mom would always, which I think is very fun because it is, oh my God, I'm just having like, I'm having like a therapy trauma moment that I'm realizing that I do the exact same thing that I used to do with catalogs, but now I do it on my browser on my phone while I watch Love Island. It is just shopping, but not shopping. It is putting things into carp.

Oh, I would circle it. Circle it. I would write out in the margins of why I wanted it. And then I would also dog ear the catalog. So I, so that my mom always used as if we were getting things from the catalog. I don't know why, but to me, it was almost, it was almost. And I was already too sad. Oh, is this too sad?

Am I getting too sad? Is this too? Am I using page therapy? Page therapy? Yes. I guess it's page therapy this week. Sorry, everybody. Well, I think it was the promise of sometimes you would get something from the catalog. But for the things, really the only things I would ever get from the catalog were like a Lanz End catalog. Oh, I wish. Oh my God, Linson. I know. Big spender. L.L. Bean was prohibitively expensive. But Lanz end was occasionally. A landsend sale.

I know I've talked about Lanz end recently on this show because if you go over, Lanzan still exist. and they are begging you to buy their clothes. And the clothes are good. Why do you say it as if people don't understand that Lanz End still exists? I don't think anyone based on how desperately they are on sale. I think that they are, I think that Lanz End is drowning. If I'm wrong, please help me. Because I think they make good clothes.

But they will pay you to buy their clothes over there. Whereas they reigns supreme over a certain demographic of Midwestern, you know, children in the 90s. Wow. But that's, that was where I would, I would spend time with the. Lanz-N catalog. A toy catalog was obviously the best. But yeah, I would look through a, like a gift basket catalog, which is what seems to Harry and David.

But the Chachke catalogs were really, that was where I learned about the world. That was where I learned that fathers don't take care of their children and mothers knit. Yeah, but if you put it on a Chachkechke and if you're talking about how bad daddy is on a chotchky, it's fine. Yeah. Then that's processing the trauma. And I think that this is good. This is why we talk about these things here.

And thank you all. And I will say, wow, Land's End is still hawking some very sensible clothes. Sensible as ever, girl, don't you worry about that. Oh, they are sensible. Do you want a nine-inch in steam on your swim shorts because I do head to Lands End, please. We've got a lot of coverage over there. It's a lot of coverage. You don't need to worry about SPF, not when you were wearing any Lanzan over here.

I feel like I used to stare at Land's End and be like, I need this sleeping bag as if I ever spent any time outside. Totally. You know what I mean? No, again, living vicariously. Like, I don't know what, I don't know how children live vicariously now because I would, I would look at the pictures in the LL Bean catalog and be like, yeah. Yeah, for when I hike in the rain, you know, for when my family camps on a mountain. Exactly. But that's never once, ever, ever, never happened.

you know, so much imagination triggered by the catalogs as a child. Oh, yeah, it was such a jumping off point, which I do think my mom did use that to be like, oh, what is she into and use it as a jumping off point to get, you know, things like for a birthday or something like that. So it wasn't all for nothing, but I will say, I think that we talked about this last time Henry was on the show. So please stop me. You were allowed to stop me dead in my tracks.

But I feel like if we're talking merch that reminds me of daddy, we got to be talking about Marlborough merch because it. Like we are talking about sleeping bags that we don't need or tents or we had all of these like all weather terrain jackets. And everything said Marlboro on it because you could rip off the side of the Marlboro package and save them for points. And then we would get the Marlboro catalog and I would choose the stuff out of the catalog as if again we ever went outside. Too sad again. And it was only out. Too sad alert.

Should I should we move back? You know, I'm fine. Everything's going to be fine and we're going to move through. And, you know, that's why we bring in stories like Rob Lowe, raw dogging his workouts. Yeah, that's what I chose to talk about first. That's what I saw first and that's what I wanted to bring up because Rob Lowe says he could raw dog his workouts without music. And this is really all adding into the world of raw dog. and don't get me wrong.

I mean, depends on the day. You know, very into it. But, you know, this is in the whole, like, viral trend of raw dogging, a flight. And for those of you that are unaware, it is going, like, on a flight or working out or something without any distractions. It is no snacks, nothing, no water, no, no music, nothing, not watching a screen. And it's only, you know, getting into what you are doing. doing. So a lot of people, you know, I will say my husband says that he thinks that he can definitely easily raw dog a flight. And I do feel that that he could. It is a tribute to the

mind. I will say I, for some reason, my hackles go up about this and I am trying to interrogate why. Oh, okay. Let's explore the hackles. Yes. I think it's an annoying way to frame it on the one hand. Like it's your, you're virtuous. If you could, I mean, especially, I just think that we should not equate like drinking water with entertainment. I think doing a whole airplane flight without water is just needlessly like dangerous. Dehydrating. Yeah, no, you really should be drinking. I imagine, I mean, I guess you probably can get away. Is water still raw on it? I think that raw digging is you just sit down and stare straight ahead for the length of the flight, then you get up and get off the flight, which you did actually in your grief, didn't you,

on your flight back? In my grief, I did. Yeah, it was, it is the weirdest experience. I've never done that. You're right. I did raw dog that flight. I did just on the flight from Florida and New York stare. But no, I was listening to my yacht rock playlist. Oh, that's a great playlist. I had my yacht rock playlist in and I just, but I didn't listen to any of it and I just stared off into the nothing as yacht rock kind of soothed my brain in a different way. Yeah. I think that Jeff could do it. Okay. But so I just think that making it like a, yeah, making it like a sign of virtue is really annoying. I think wanting to be wanting to read a book on a flight doesn't mean anything about your like goodness as a person. However, I don't remember if I've said this on the show the other day,

but I, I take a walk to exercise and I listen to a book usually or a podcast. And the other day, get your steps in, yes. Getting my steps in, getting my me time. But the other day I had like paused what I was listening to, probably to send a text or something. And then I just noticed that I was walking and not listening to anything. And this is, again, sad alert. But I was walking and I was like, wow, I can hear the birds. Right. And I had, I just realized that usually in my lovely walk through my lovely neighborhood,

I'm never listening to the birds because I'm listening to someone like yell about, you know, whatever. Todgers. You want to bring up Todgers? Yeah. I'm listening to Prince Harry talk about his todger. And so I'm missing out on the birds. And you're told you.

Oh, and then we have to take mommy's claims. Like mommy. But now I am trying to walk around more without listening to something. I'm proud of you. It sounds very sad. It doesn't. No, I'm proud of you and I support you. Because when we think about the 90s, we weren't constant.

Like, you had to make a real effort to have your headphones in in the 90s. And they think about how much time we spent just walking around not listening to anything. walking around, not hearing anything except what was around us. And so, and now I'm shocked to walk around and hear the birds. And so I am trying to, and I said this to my brother. And he's like, yeah, I try to do like one walk a week where I don't listen to anything. And it is just, it is really a reflection on the all encompassing nature of technology, I guess, to be like, oh, imagine. Walk it around without listening to anything.

And I think Rob Lowe working out without music is fine because in theory, you're just paying attention to your workout. Yeah, it makes sense. And you're getting really into it. And I think that's awesome. Also, he said often the gym has music on, which is, when I go to the grocery store, I don't listen to anything. Why? Because I love the music, the grocery store plays.

Oh, yeah. It's a vibe. It has a great playlist. It means we're old, MJ. It means we're old. But I will say, I was bopping picking up celery the other day because, man, toxic was blaring at the Ralph's. And that's the thing.

It's not our fault that the music is just getting better at the grocery store, all right? I was at McDonald's with the kids the other day and Toxic came on and they were like what song is this? This is great and I launched into a long lecture

about it. Hell yeah, you did. And I explained what it all means. But yeah, so Rob... Tell the children about what the paparazzi did to her. What society did to her.

I was like, it's toxic means poison and it's a metaphor about men about just that one man. But I think it's nice that Roblo does this. But for Bray's years, I think a lot of them.

I would say a lot of them in her life. I don't see a lot of them, unfortunately. But we're not in the world of Britney Spears, and I will say if you do want to hear us talk about Prince Harry's Todger, go on over to the page 7 Patreon where we are reading, spare right now. And we're in the middle of it. And I just, I apologize that the word Todger is now going to be in my vernacular for a couple of weeks. But I will say that I think that even though we are struggling,

link through spare because it's an incredibly long book. I will say, even if you don't feel like joining us over on the Patreon, we will say that it is humanizing Prince Harry in a slightly compelling way. And that's the most tepid review I've ever heard. I mean, everybody is probably stopping the episode right now so they can go buy the book. Wow. It's like a wow. Get out there, guys occasional occasionally compelling and um and certainly um giving us both a deeper perspective and a kinder perspective on megan markle because man the british press i really do do dirty dogs and i do feel for those of you and we do appreciate for those of you that have come out in complete full support of megan markle every time we have talked shit on her

I will say that this book is definitely humanizing her. And it's like, I just like to make a joke about jams. Okay. Our list of people who we can point and laugh at is unfortunately dwindling because everyone's life keeps getting sadder. And so it's tough here at a celebrity gossip podcast when everyone's life is too sad to make fun of. And I think that that's where we're at right now. We discussed this last week about Katie Perry. And it's gotten sadder since last week with Katie Perry.

God, man, he's going to leave her. He didn't want her to go to space. He didn't want to go to space. He didn't want her to go to space and she went anyway. He was like everyone's going to hate this. No one will like this. It's Amazon. Why didn't she listen to Leggolus? He hears the crows on the wind. That is who you should be looking to. All right. It's this article Yahoo Entertainment, Orlando Bloom was frustrated with Katie Perry's space trip as he allegedly didn't approve of it amid tensions. That headline is stupid because you know you don't need your husband. You don't need your husband's approval to go to space. You don't need your husband to approve you to go to space. Slay, sleigh.

Women can decide to go to space. Yeah, go to fucking space. You don't have to ask your husband permission to go to space. Damn right. But in this case, he didn't want her to go to space. I wouldn't want my husband to go to space because I wouldn't want him to blow up in space. True. Because I have, I mean, A, because I love him.

And B, because I don't want to raise my children without him because he blew up in space. And so I was actually expected. Oh, you don't want your husband to blow up. blow up in space. That is so trite of you. I was expecting it to be for personal reasons, but it was for political reasons. He was like, you shouldn't do this because it's a bad look. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, not because of other things. I will say speaking of, I mean, it's in poor taste, but I do, I didn't include this article, but I do want to give a shout

out to Sally Ride's partner. I did see multiple headlines that astronaut Sally Ride gave life partner permission to reveal their 27-year romance 10 days before dying. Yes, I love Sally Ride. I have always loved Sally Ride ever since learning about Sally Ride in college. My best friend in college wrote a radio sketch series called The Ladies of Science about Jane Goodall, an imagined fiction about Jane Goodall, Sally Ride, Rosalyn Franklin, and Mary Curie becoming like with ladies superheroes. And it was just so good. I love this for Sally Wright. And I've been thinking about Sally Ride the entire time Katie Perry was making such a big deal about being a woman in space, okay? Because Sally Ride had been there and done that.

What about Sally Ride? She doesn't get enough accolades. And yeah, but I apologize. I don't want everyone to think just because I'm thinking of women in space. I'm thinking about explosions. But, you know, it is just in our brain, it sometimes goes hand in hand. But maybe that's just because Katie Perry was so busy staring into her own camera. while she could have been looking at outer space,

but we're not, I'm sorry, they're getting a divorce, or at least that's the word, everybody, that they are spending all of their time apart. They are not doing well. She feels like she doesn't, she doesn't take him seriously. She doesn't, like, he has been frustrated that his opinion is not being taken seriously or even heard. He feels she is a different person lately. And she has been having a hard time.

We do know that because the album was not received well. The tour is not being received well. The space trip has not been received well. The cotton candy shoes, which, you know, she just loves stinky, chewy shoes. And even though she blows him when he loads the dishwasher, not enough. I guess it's not enough. And, you know, at least, you know, we're learning from Katie Perry. You know, we could at least, if anything, learn from the mistakes that you

she has made, but I, you know, I don't feel I need to learn for many mistakes that Sabrina Carpenter is seeming to be making right now, or at least according to the internet. And yes, we are talking about the cover of Sabrina Carpenter's new album, Man's Best Friend, and the picture is of her on all, on hands and knees, with a seemingly masked person off to the side holding her hair like it's a leash and the internet. But now, we talk about this a little bit over on Who's a Bitch? Go check out Who's a Bitch? YouTube.com slash at Who's the B?

But I feel that it is, I think, and we do talk about this a lot on page 7, it's just PR. Who's actually, now I think, I will say, the people that are upset about this cover because it is too sexual, it is too dark, it is too kink, it is too much. And that I feel that these are the same people that already had the fucking problems with Sabrina Carpenter because she incorporates a lot of sex or just sexiness into her pop music. I agree. I think the main criticism, the most generous interpretation of the criticism, being leveled at Sabrina Carpenter right now

is that she is like embracing the male gaze, right? And that this is not, again, this is not how I feel, but this is, I think, a generous interpretation of the criticism is that she, it's not that this is not something that's like her owning her own sexuality and presenting it how she wants to. This is like a submission to the male gaze.

Who is in charge? That's the thing. Of what is that? Like, this. It's exactly the baby girl conversation. I think, and yes, like, when we're talking about, like, Britney Spears as a teenager, she was not making those decisions. In control of those decisions.

Like, she would, and we learned this from her book, like, she suggested the schoolgirl outfits in baby one more time because she was like, we're all hanging out at school, right? Like, she was not the one making, like, marketing herself. Like, she did not have agency. And so I think that if we're talking about the male gaze, when it comes to Brittany, like that was so very obviously like, like let's subjugate this teenage girl and put her in this like school girl position for the male gaze. I feel much less comfortable speaking on behalf of a 26 year old woman who has been quite successfully navigating her own

career for many years now and making choices for herself. Quite obviously an agent, someone with her own agency and her own artistic vision, quite obviously, a deeply capable performer and a deeply capable artist. I feel very uncomfortable with people deciding that she doesn't know what she's doing and that she, I mean, of course, people can play into the male gaze without consciously doing so. I think, but that's again, I feel like that's the whole, the idea of the male gaze isn't like, well, are you doing male gaze or aren't you doing male gaze? It's a framework with which to see how society women are in structure. Yeah, how we, how we, how we, how we, how we receive. them how we, how we, how they are allowed to be and how they are allowed, but, but then,

but then speaking over a woman and being like, you don't know what you're doing. Right. That's not, I don't think that's good feminism. No, but I also understand how some people could be triggered. Like, for instance, there's a tweet that says thinking about how hair pulling was one of the first forms of violent misogyny, me and many other women faces young girls. I really hope this is not the album cover. It feels deeply irresponsible. But not to, but because if we are dissecting this, if you look at the hair and the way it's being held, I feel that this photo was choosing, it was choosing on peepis.

It was choosing and peepis. Because the way that he's holding the hair shows that he is not in control. And that is a part of even in the world of kink and in how that hair is being held not to hurt her, not in a way that is pulling her, her in a way that she does not want to be pulled, it is being held up as if it is, you know,

I'm not saying like a performative, but it is a part of the idea that she was trying to convey of, this is her choice. This is something that she is choosing and they are choosing this. She has constructed this image. Like, yeah, I, I totally agree. Like, there, I understand this is like I really, this is, this is, it brings up so much. This is one of those things where, of course, we invite your, your own thoughts, you know, email us, page 7, podcast, at gmail.com. We have talked in the past about how

there's a kind of anti-sex backlash with Gen Z. And when we, I'll never forget. Which is understandable. That's the thing. I have, I found that discussion. We had this years ago that and the emails we got so helpful because we got an email from Gen Z from a Gen Z listener that I will never forget being like, Gen Z got, sexualized on the got exposed to like dangerous sexual content so young and without our consent because we got phones when we were like 10 and there was like no it was like the wild west people just gave us you know iPad touches with no supervision gave us Instagram accounts when you were nine years old and we were getting dick pics from the time we were 10 and we don't want to see

sex scenes we don't want those to be sprung on us like we have these triggers based on our experience with the internet and that is so helpful for me because I also find some of this kink shaming anti-sex backlash from that from the younger generation to be kind of baffling because it's so not of what you think about from younger generations usually usually it's the opposite but yeah like i do find this it's very hard for me to sort out like i i you know of course that point of like this is these images can be triggering for people who have experienced like non-consensual uh you know abuse sexual abuse like yes sure and And not even, I don't mean sure dismissively, like, yes. And I just, again, I don't, I don't feel comfortable that the whole idea here is like Sabrina Carpenter isn't smart enough to know what she's doing. Like, I just think that that's not, I just don't. You might not like it.

Maybe you're just against, you're against it, you're not into it, not into any of it. That's also okay. I just, it's the idea of that, like, you're a bad feminist. Totally. And it's pointing that at her where it's like, man, she's, she's choosing this. Yes. She's got agency. And also she, I mean, her response to this was like,

seems like y'all are the ones that are obsessed. She's like, you guys love my songs about sex. They do really well. She says, all you do is sing about sex, but those are the songs that you've made popular. Clearly, you love sex. You're obsessed with it. It's in my show.

Yeah, I was like kind of puzzling myself over that response too. I think it's not, I don't know. It's just, I think that the desire, yeah, the desire to kind of, just speak over her and shush her and be like, this isn't good feminism is not one that I am super into. And I think that she knows that she's like, I think sex is part of what she does. And I think she knows that. And I think she is a master of it. And you can either like it or not like it, but I don't think that you can like decide for her, you know. And if we're going to be talking about

good feminists, yeah, I said it, dangerous animals. I just want to bring up the movie. I need to bring it up real fast. Dangerous Animals is a horror movie that we saw over the weekend that if it is a great summer horror movie because it is about a serial killer that kills via shark. And it is fun. And it is the lead dude that, uh, that I, hi Courtney. I don't know if that's if I'm properly saying his first name. He was so dynamic and fun to watch. He was a, he was a, great villain. I really enjoyed it. It is a tight, in and out. It is just no meat on it. Well, I mean, there's a little bit of meat, but it comes in the form of ladies being eaten by sharks. But not all ladies, you know, maybe. But I do think that you should go out and see dangerous

animals. And I guess if we're talking about feminism, I am going to also bring up the movie The Materialists. Now... Want to talk about the materialist. I really, really want to talk about the materialists. Now, and the materialist for those of you that do not know is a movie that just dropped that everybody is talking about it. Because specifically, I talked about it, I think, some weeks ago. It is a Dakota Johnson, Chris Evans, and Pedro Pascal movie written and directed by Celine's song, who did past lives. Needless to say, the press photos are breathtaking.

Oh, baby. Despite feeling very little for Dakota Johnson as an actor, I do feel a lot for her beauty. Yes. Oh, I certainly do as well. And I saw the, so the reason why everyone's talking about this movie is there were two distinct kinds of trailers that were dropped. And one of the trailers, which is the one that I saw 100,000 times, was a rom-com that it was showing that it's like, should I kiss Chris E. Even though he's poor? Or should I kiss Pedro Pascal even though he's rich? Yeah. And it's like, oh, she's a matchmaker.

She's a matchmaker. And she doesn't have a match of her own. Right. I see a man across the room. I see a different man across the room. It looks like a wrong. Do I stup this hot guy or do I stup this hot guy? And that is what I thought the movie was going to be.

And I'm down. I love a should I stup this hot guy or this hot guy. even if it is Dakota Johnson which, wow, beautiful, beautiful, beautiful, beautiful woman. And she's like, she's so interesting because she is a Nepo. She's the child of Melanie Griffith,

as we discussed last week with the And Don Johnson. And she is just stunning. But we were watching a bunch of press clips of her before we started. And she does, it's, a lot of nebos are really born with a level of charisma that just really, I do think the inherent biological charisma sometimes launches them.

We always say you got to be good. You got to be good at what you do if you're a NEPO. But a lot of, like, you know, Patrick Schwarzenegger, Maya Hawk, you know, they're just, they ooze charisma. And that's not happening with Dakota Johnson in a way. She's just really. And yet I am weirdly obsessed with her because she also has all these interviews where, man, I will say Dakota Johnson, dude, she'll say what's on her.

mind and she will say it publicly because I think that deeply unpolished actors as a nepo she really can say kind of whatever because she's not saying anything that's mean maybe that's yeah maybe she's like fuck it I think she can do whatever I want in a in a good way in a way that we actually like maybe nepo gives the freedom to to really kind of not be that good press I think I love Dakota Johnson don't get me wrong wow I you heard it here first dislike the acting I will say looking at her is like looking at a beautiful glass menagerie. You know what I mean?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. The way the elephant shines in the sun, you know what I mean? Of just like the way the trunk, you know. And this is a type of hot woman. I think we've all been in a conversation. Yeah. This isn't, but like it's, it's, it's, she's not the only one like this. We've all been in a conversation with someone who is like magnetic,

yet, you know, you know that if you kind of tapped them, they might crumble the dust. Yeah. So the thing is that it was, said that it was a rom-com, and then the internet also, so I guess a couple of weeks ago, there was a release of a different trailer

that showed a different tone in the movie. And I had heard there was such a discrepancy and people are liking the movie but are so upset because so many people saw the rom-com trailer expecting this to be a rom-com

when it is definitely a drama that has funny moments, that is more of a romance. But it's all drama.com. Unfortunately, there are moments that I feel I like, like, they are, like, Pedro Pascal is funny. He can be funny. Dakota Johnson, you know, well, she's trying.

And man, she is, she is saying it. And I tell you, I am staring at her saying it. But I, I, it, I want to talk. Okay, MJ, I would like to talk about why this movie is a drama and why people are upset about it. But I don't want, because the movie just came out, I don't want to ruin it for everybody. But I also kind of want to tell everybody that is kind of curious, but also doesn't want to spend the money to go watch it. So what I'm going to do is I'm going to wait until after Jackie Snackies. And I'm going to tell you what the end is.

and you're welcome to shut it off. I think this is great because we got real mixed feedback on us discussing White Lotus. Some people said, yay, I like hearing you talk about the specifics of the plot. Some people said, how dare you bastards? How dare you bastards? And I understand. And we hear you and we see you and we feel you. I just feel like this isn't maybe hopefully as like huge of a, you know, a pop culture thing.

How dare you? Even though it is because everybody's talking about materials right now just because there's not a lot going on. Yeah, there is, well, there's a lot going on. Oh, no, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. World War III. But like, everything is, as, the tweet that I saw was, I met the Civil War, I met the World War, I met the combination Civil War, World War, and that is what I am thinking

about all week. You know. So, yeah, that's what's going on. And as a result, the celebrity gossip rags are blowing in the wind. They are, but, you know, meanwhile, we're out there blowing in the wind, holding up our signs and getting out there and, oh, baby, we're screaming. But that's why here, I'm like, well, what about to go to Johnson? You know, this is why we're talking about Dakota Johnson here. But anyway, I am going to circle back just because I had some feelings that I would love to discuss with you.

Because I will say, man, one thing, if you want to go see it so you're not going to listen to the end, one thing, if you want to, weren't so sexually stupidly attracted to Pedro Pascal before and you want another reason. Like I, Jeff and I both were like, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go. Like, he is so charming in this movie. I want to see this movie just because I want to stare at all three principal actors. Oh, and I mean, that's a thing. And Chris Evans, I mean, I guess I forget how hot Chris Evans is. And I'm just like, boing, boing.

Like, wow. Because he's one of those where he's like too pretty for, like, he's so pretty. to be our type. Yes. But at the same time, I'm not upset about it. He's so, I'll watch it.

And also, but he's so broke, MJ. Oh, he's broke. But he's broke. What do we do? What do we do, MJ? And, you know,

as someone that never had the choice of like, do I choose the broke, what are the rich? It is a funny. It is, I know, I think it's only because I've never been given that option that in my head,

I'm like, how is there literally a choice? but I guess. No, sometimes I'll bet that you've been in a situation like, should I choose the guy with a job or a guy with no job? You know, I feel like that's our version. Do I choose this guy with no job or this guy with no job? Or is it not my current relationship.

No, my husband is doing very well from us. But it's just that in beforehand, I was just like, oh, that's okay, Bertie. I can take care of you. Yeah. Let me fix you. I don't have issues. I'm fine. but I guess I do have a list.

Hey, who's on the list? I'm on the list. It's just us, MJ. It's just us. And I guess I shouldn't have done the list, but I was so excited because Stephen, I want to say thank you so much for sending in a great list. Stephen sent in a list to page 7podcast.g.com,

and I appreciate you 12 musicians who tried acting and flopped. Now, of course, I thought that it would be like, oh, okay, this is just, you know, I know I know a lot of these, right? But this one up top, I don't think I, I didn't register. Adam Levine was in the movie Begin Again. They said you'd think that playing a bland, smarmy pop star would come naturally to Adam Levine, but the Maroon 5 frontman definitely struggled with his first major acting role in John Carney's schlocky, musical comedy drama begin again. Now, I have not heard of this movie before, but it makes sense.

Mark Ruffalo is there. I remember the cover of this movie. Catherine Keener is there. Yes, because I was a Ruffelista back in the day. And I can't believe. I'm still a Ruffelista. Oh, I mean, yeah, I'm down. You know, the Hulk with the glasses on.

Yeah, I'll fucking take it. Yes, I still in my brain. I still know it's Mark Ruffalo as the Smart Hulk, and yes, I want to have sex with them both. But yeah, I did miss this movie, but I do think it's funny. On the cover of the movie, they do have the forced phrase,

Adam Levine is a revelation. And I think that sounds a little forced. But apparently, this is a scathing article, and I'm really digging this article. The material wasn't particularly good to begin with. Mark Ruffalo was the Maverick label executive and want of a hit record. Kiera Knightley, the naive, sing a songwriter trying to make her way in the big city. Many critics compared it to unfavorably, and I remember why, because I was obsessed with the movie once.

Oh, yeah, the lizard. Remember that one? No. We've still got time. It was that song, I feel like there was a summer where that song in New York. was everywhere because it was on Broadway as well as in the movie. And I saw it on Broadway and I had a, but I realized pretty quickly that this was a once knockoff and I kept on moving.

Oh, man. Yeah, Adam Levine, I couldn't, I could not possibly. No, no. And I would never go back to watch it even just to see how bad he is in it. Now, I do remember this, and that was that Ed Shearron was in Game of Thrones. but he had a cameo in Game of Thrones. And apparently that they announced that they'd landed him years after campaigning to get him. But I think that people thought that he was going to be more of a part,

but then it ended up just being a cameo. But one thing I did want to bring up Ed Shearin about is that he recently came out talking about, which, go for him. He and his wife and his family, usually they don't fly private. I was just going to say we like him now because he doesn't like BJs and he loves public transit. He said he loves the subway. And unfortunately, now I have to like Ed Shearin, which I am not ready for.

But, yeah, you know, I think he just looks like he should be in Game of Thrones. Yes, he's got like he looks like. You know, like those faces that some people say that, like, certain faces look like they've interacted with an iPhone. You know, that, like, yeah, yeah, yeah. He looks like he hasn't taken a shower and lives in a cat. Exactly. Like, we were talking about this, I think, specifically with Lily Rose, and Bill Scarsguard in Nassavad,

Nassavadal, because I feel like Lily Rose Depp has such a unique, like, ethereal look to her, and probably because she's, you know, a nepo from two of the hottest people. So a surprise. She's a, you know, a striking-looking person. Now, this one I do remember,

how did you feel about Jessica Simpson and the Dukes of Hazard? Oh, yeah. Daisy Duke, she had the little shorts on. That's all I remember. And I think we all know why. Yeah, yeah. Johnny Knoxville was there.

I forgot about the John Knoxville. I forgot about anything else about this movie. All I remember specifically was Jessica Simpson wearing little shorts. Yeah. Yeah. I, you know, ever since I heard the You're Wrong About podcast, do a deep dive on Jessica Simpson's book. Oh.

She is now. Very much in a column of people who I cannot possibly make fun of. Her book is really, really interesting and like devastating, very much in the same vein of Britney's book in terms of what she went through as a pop star in that era. So I cannot testify to her acting ability in this. Oh, yeah, I had deeply forgotten about this. But the thing is, I'll watch Johnny Knoxville do anything. I will watch him read a phone book. I got no problem with Sean William Scott.

And I like Jessica Simpson as a person. So I'll say, thumbs up. Wow, thumbs up. I don't think we're going to be going back and watching Dukes of Hazard. And I don't think we're going to go back and watch Battleship either, that I forgot that Rihanna was in the movie Battleship. I remember when we were doing the pop history on Rihanna getting into, it was like, she acts. I didn't even know that she really wanted to act. And she was in the movie Battleship, which is based on a video game.

and I will say that she did win the Razzie for worst supporting actress. So, you know, maybe people are being overly critical, but I think the movie really was, you know, something that people are still talking about, you know? And thinking about Rihanna, it really clarifies it because I think what makes her a charismatic pop star to watch on stage is exactly what is prohibitive. about her being an actor. Yes. Which is just that she is just herself. Her.

Yeah. And some, obviously, some can do both. But I think some people are just, they just emanate charisma as themselves. And that's, and that's not Adam Levine's problem,

obviously. But like, I just think. Knock, knock. Maybe it's somebody else is on the list. Yeah. Oh my God.

Yes. Did you see that Mariah Carey clip that I shared on Instagram of her saying that she doesn't believe in the passage of time? You know, I say, Good for her.

Because, you know, we all remember she doesn't celebrate her birthday. I believe, I forget what she calls it, her anniversary or something. But she does not, like, she does, like, has tried for most of her career to dodge the question of how old she is. Don't worry, the internet figured it out. But it is so, I think it makes sense. You know. She doesn't believe in time as a concept. Good.

She was asked for clarification on this in an interview. I'm glad for her. I don't believe it. And God, her voice. I cannot hear her voice without hearing your voice doing Mariah. Her talking voice is so good, you guys. It's like, I'm just alternating right now. Can somebody put me in another movie, please?

Oh, no, can we get these, all these fluorescent light city? Oh, my God. Can somebody prop me up on the stage? I'm going to sing a song. I'm like alternating between videos of just like watching the news worse every second of every day. So upsetting. Her just being like, I don't believe in it.

She doesn't believe. I just don't. Maybe that's the secret we haven't been trying. Maybe we don't believe in the passage of time. It's very like Kurt Vonnegut. Yes, it's like Slaughterhouse-Fi. Oh, my God, it is. Yes.

Mariah Carey has become unblocked in time. Everything is beautiful and nothing hurt, but that was Prince of Champions. But, yeah, it is. It's very, it is very Trafalmiguanian. Yes. Kurt Vonnegut. Yes. So, yeah.

Sorry, Kurt Vonnegut. I'm so sorry. That is very, that's quite a funny comparison. Last but at least, I do want to just bring this up just because specifically, I want to give a shout out to everybody in Jackie's book club. Because there was a character that at first, I was like, is this the undead Elvis? And I asked the question and everybody answered it, but I had continued recording. so I didn't continue doing the Oh,

oh, what a year, which is my Elvis accent. That's what you would have been hearing. And is that, you know what? Technically, I think I did it for all of us to take the Elvis out of dead until dark, but it was really only because I forgot.

So I just want to say thank you, everyone, for reminding me that it is Elvis that is undead, that is watching Sookie, but also everybody, we're just finishing up the first book over on Jackie's Book Club of the True Blood series, Dead Until Dark, and we are starting book two very soon.

So come get on board before we get too lost. Elvis is on this list of musicians who can't act, but wasn't Elvis in like so many movies? Yeah, he wasn't a bunch of movies, but I will ask you, MJ, have you ever seen any of them? I have not. I also have not.

Maybe he was just getting the ticket sold. You know what I mean? Yeah. I don't, because like, here's the thing, I know in all of his movies, Adam, that he was singing in all of his movies. Yeah. Right? I assume he was singing in most of his movies. I actually watched all of his movies for the first time, like two years ago.

Oh, my, thank God you're here, Adam. Tell us. Thank God. Was he any good? Because, again, you are, you are my number one reviewer. No, he's not good. But you know what? They have like a weird vibe.

It's a weird I don't know They're enjoyable though I found them oddly enjoyable But they're not good They're like very quickly They just were like hammered out movie after movie after movie

Were they similar to like almost like a Frankie Valley Like that level of movie? Yeah probably Of like oh we're on the beach It's like oh the plot doesn't really matter Come on everybody It's a bit of that They do a little bit more plot

Than like a beach blanket bingo type thing Okay okay But it's not that much more And it really is mostly for him to sing and he thinks that he's going to act and convince people that he's a good actor, but really people just want him to sing. They just want him to sing.

So they write, they kind of bring him out and they like give him some lines to get the plot along, but mostly he's singing? Or is he also acting acting. He is acting acting. Wow. Yeah, he's trying to go for it, but, you know, I mean.

Do you remember any of them specifically, if people were to check it out? Yeah, what's? Is there anyone that sticks out in your mind that you're like, maybe this one? Oh, God. Now I, like, can't think of the names off the top of my head. Because they probably all sound exactly the same. Love Me Tender was his first one. So he's probably the hottest in that one because he's got to be young Elvis.

Oh, my God, there's so many of them. That's the thing. I feel he wasn't so many movies. I'm sorry, I asked you that question, Adam. There are so many Elvis movies. I had no idea that there were this many. No, he very quickly made a lot of them. 31. Wow. Wow. Wow. I am. I am bold over. Yeah, that's a lot of movies.

You know, we're watching Full House, me and the kids in there, and Jesse talks about Elvis so much. And I think because it was the 90s and Elvis hadn't been that long ago, I just knew who Elvis was growing up? And my kids are like, who is Uncle Jesse obsessed with? Who is Elvis? Like, they have no kids today don't know who Elvis is. So I think back then when he shook his hips, everybody cried

because you don't understand the sexuality of this man's hips. I'd love to hear you explain it. I feel like Blue Hawaii is the one I've heard the most. about. Maybe we'll watch Blue Hawaii. I don't know if I'm going to make myself do this. I was just, I was just curious. I'm definitely curious. I'm looking at the list now, and honestly, I would recommend Blue Hawaii. Okay. I think that is a good pick.

All right. Is it raunchy? Is it too dirty for children? No, no, no. Nothing's ever too raunchy in the Elvis movies here in the clear. Okay, good. Oh, man, an hour and 42 minutes. I just like, that's a lot of Elvis. Angela Lansbury. It did not get a good rotten tomato scur, but that's fine. You know, I feel like they're trying to use the reviews from back in the day, plus, you know, current reviews, which I imagine is probably mixed in with a lot of feelings about Elvis as a whole. But, you know, that's my list for you. And I'm, thank you again, Stephen, for such a great list that just kicked off.

I don't know. Are we going to watch an Elvis movie? Are we going to watch an Elvis movie? Well, how will I watch something when I can't see? Oh, God. line item. Ah, we can't see him. This, this is just for you, Jackie.

I know we'll talk about this more with Karen tomorrow. This celebrity, who is a celebrity sibling, has been hooking up with a celebrity who is a celebrity sibling. He met on a recent reality show. All right, this sounds tough, but this is a show that you... Zach Efron's brother. Correct. Yes.

Dylan. I watched the whole traders and I, Dylan, that's... his name. I was like, I still refer to him as Zach Ephron's brother. You're allowed to do that as somebody who also works with your sibling. Oh, I'm my brother-grandfathered-in? Okay, then it's fine. So this celebrity Dylan Ephron, who is a celebrity sibling, Zach Ephron, has been hooking up with a celebrity who is a celebrity sibling. Now, I don't know Chet Hanks.

People. But I think you know these people. Oh. Because he met this person, this celebrity sibling, on a reality show. Traders season three, which is the reality show that he was on. Correct. So we're talking about another NEPO that was on season three. Correct.

And it was on that scene. Like, that's what it says? Yes. They met on. on the show. And you might not know their sibling. I don't. Talking about the twins, the sexy twins?

The wrestlers? Correct. Ah! Bre Bella. Yes. A.k.a. Bree Garcia, whose sibling is Nikki Bella. Bro, let's fucking go.

That is great. And I love that for the two of them. Because I will say, while you know, Nikki wasn't necessarily I mean, I don't want to talk about traitors if you haven't seen it yet, but I think that that's very cute. And man, you know, when in a big cold castle shouldn't love blossom? Totally. I love it when people like hook up months after the show is over because it shows that they've made lasting friendships.

Oh my God, you're right. All right. I'm so glad that you got that because I was like, I know this means nothing. Like obviously Dylan Efron means something to me, but these other people don't. Sexy wrestlers, because I know that you're very excited. excited about traders. And they also have, and they have their own reality show, which I've never really gotten into, but also

if you guys out there listening, if you've gotten into it, is that one I need to seek out? Because I don't know if it's... Yeah, I know that it's like they because they're twins and they both and they wrestle together. Yeah, I'm putting in Bella twins. Nikki Garcia and Bree

Garcia. They are cool-looking people. Total Bellas. That's what it's called. Total Bellas. Which is a spinoff of total divas. But yes, they also hosted the dating show Twin Love and I did watch that dating show as well.

Okay. That sounds right up my alley given my fondness for the show Extreme Sisters. Oh, you would love twin love. Okay. Blind number two. This is big. Okay. The permanent A-list actor is really hyping his new movie and wants attention. It is the only reason

he agreed to do the pre-arranged pap shots well on a double date. I guess this isn't that big. Tom Cruise. The fact that this person is back is big. Not, but similar, similar generation, I would say. Similar generation.

And he was on a double date with someone. Yeah, he's also in the blinds this week for getting a really intense facelift. Oh. I'm sorry, I immediately thought of Ricky Lake because Ricky Lake also, but not an intense one. Everyone's talking about how great the facelift that Ricky Lake just received.

That's in the blind. He saw her facelift. This actor saw her facelift that said, I want it to be like that. Redo it. Who is it? I need more. Double date. Okay.

So, he's a bad. He's a bad man. We're bad. Okay, Mel Gibson. He's a bad man of the Tom Cruise generation. He was in all the, he was a similarly gigantic name in that time. You love the first movie he was in. You slip and slide all over, but you don't, you can't anymore because of how bad we know he is in his marriage.

his, which is now over. Oh, bad in the marriage. And it's not, it's not, no, the rock is good. He's a bad dad. He's a bad husband. It's not Stephen Collins

from seventh heaven. I'm starting to Jean-Claude Van Damme. I know Jackie Jan's bad. Who else is bad? One of your favorite movies, he had long hair in it. And it's not Legalis? He had not that long.

He, his wife does a lot of humanitarian work. His ex-wife. He's not George Clooney. Big high-profile divorce. Brad Pitt. Yes. And they did...

Legend of the fall. Okay. Oh, we're talking about Legend of the Fall. I was talking about Legend of the Fall. Oh, you're talking now I see you. And now I want to sit and watch Legend of LaValle. He's hyping his new movie. I don't even know what his new movie is because I have...

It's the car. We need to... We apparently everybody... You know what? I hear you guys. I love everybody. Everybody's saying we got to watch. watch car. We got to get into

big British car that we are really losing our our, I don't know, wheels, not getting into car and it's car. I know the movie is not called car, but I'm calling it car and nothing is coming up. I think it's called F1. I think it, I believe it's called F1.

Oh, it's the F1. The car racing cars. Carr, it's the car movie and he is Mr. Carr in the car movie. You got a fast car. Okay. Yes. And we're right. I don't juice for him anymore. I definitely did juice for him in the past.

At one time, yes, yes. Yes. Do you know who he did the double date with and did these pap shots with? No. No. It's Bradley Cooper and G.G. Haddied. You're like, you know what? Why don't we just, okay, take this a fake relationship.

Let's get this guy in your accident. Put him out of table. Let's find somebody else with like equally middling press. Let's put them together. Yeah. But, yeah, and he just got a big. big face lift. He's trying to come back. That's the big part. But I don't know

that's going to work. Did he need a big face? Like I feel like, not that like I don't, I don't juice for him anymore because he's a bad dad and I'm closed tight and shut. But like, I don't know if he needed a facelift. I know. Unfortunately, he has aged very well. Yeah, he's like, aged like really well. Like a fine wine.

Like a bad dad. I hate how well he's aged. I know. I know. It's not fair. But now I'm looking. into the facelift. Apparently, it's not his first. Oh, yeah. Whoa, everybody's saying it's not even his first. But I will. That Ricky Lake facelift is nutsy sauce. Like, it's crazy that you could like, no, she, I mean, I'm not saying that she looked bad before.

It's just like, it is, it is really crazy what, like, I sound like such an old person, but it's like, how far facelift I come. Like, it really is like, wow. They're really just, wow, we're getting in there, huh? And good for her for pulling a Kylie, Jenner, and being like, yes, this is the exact work I've gotten done. You know, I do feel like... And now everybody's trying to get it done. Yeah. Wow, she looks great.

Yeah, I mean, but again, she already, she's looked great for a long time. Yeah, you're right. Okay, blind number three. Speaking of A-list, this married A-list actress finally got her husband to take down the nude photo of the hard-to-spell model from the wall. in their home. All right. So I got to give you hints here. So we're talking about an A-list actress.

She could not get her husband to take down a picture of this hot model who is also an actress. Okay. And I'm going to say, I've never said this person's name out loud, and I'm going to say it wrong, even though she's like very much a household name. Ooh, okay. That's the nude person. But the person who wanted her husband to take the hot nude down, she's so relatable. Oh, she's annoyingly related. Jennifer Lawrence.

Yes. And the hottie hot is... She was in Gone Girl. She was an entourage. Her name is very hard to say. Okay. Milajrovich. Is it hard to say or am I just going to say it wrong?

She is... I don't know if you're going to get... I don't know if I'm going to know her. I don't know if I'm capable of giving. I'm bad with models. Yeah. I don't know if I'm capable of giving appropriate hints. It's Emily Radadajowski.

A Radhajajanjowski. Ritchskis. Ritchkis. Yes. And she's very attractive. Very. But I also will say I know that she's very attractive. I forever, I feel like I've never gotten into the world of models and like knowing anything

about the world of fashion. Yeah. So I really feel that. sometimes I'm like, I know that that person is very attractive. I don't know what they've done. Yeah. But I know that they are very accomplished at what they do. That's how I feel about her.

I'm like, I read your name everywhere. You are all, you got your fingers all over things. And you are very beautiful and perhaps quite talented. I just don't, I can't, yeah, I don't, I have not formed an impression of her. But Jennifer Lawrence has, because a nude picture of her is in her house with her husband, Kuuk Maroni, Now, Jackie, if your husband had a picture of a nude model in your house, how would you feel? I guess it would be, I need to know what the connection was.

I mean, I want to know, like, he just thinks she's hot. I mean, can we put it in your office? Yeah. You know, like, can we have it? Like, I feel like that's the kind of thing where it's like, can we just put it somewhere out, like a bet I. Not in the living room. You have you. Yeah, man.

You do you. I get you. I just feel like, yeah. Would you? How do you feel about that? I feel like it's different, but it's, well, yeah, if Gideon had like a, like one of his celebrity crushes, which I think is so funny because I just think it's like kind of whatever is Emma Stone. And if he had a picture of Emma Stone up in the house, I don't know what I would just be like,

I think I would be annoyed. Yeah, but that sounds bitchy. It would depend on how I was feeling at the time. You know what I mean? I feel like it would be like, most days I'd be fine, but every once in a while I'd walk in and be like, this fucking picture as I'm like, you know, vacuuming. I'm just like, oh. oh, got to have the picture.

Oh, so good, we have the picture. So I feel like not 24-7 that, like, 365 would I be okay with it. But for the most part, I'd be fine with it. Yeah, yeah. No, I think, right, the first thing coming down in a fight is the picture of M-Stown. That's going to be the picture. I mean, maybe you need that in a marriage where you have the thing of, like, because if one thing, you know what's going, you know what's getting out of here.

And it's similar businesses. So it would be like if Jeff had a picture of like a hot podcaster. You know what I mean? Yeah, I guess I would feel weirded out. You know, like, Jennifer Lawrence is just close enough in the world to Rotatowski. And the fact that, like, they would meet. I guess, you know what, that does make it different. The fact that they would run in the same circles, that would make it different.

Like, if it was someone that we knew that or like something that we could interact with in the world with, I would be very upset about that. Yeah. I'd be more upset about that. She's so relatable. See? Oh my God. Oh my God. She is so relatable.

Well, I can see again. Welcome back. Putting a picture of Emma Stone up in my house to see what Gideon does. I think just that, you know, I love, everybody loves a good marriage trap. And I think that especially in the summer, you know, really get them while you're trapped inside trying to stay away from the sun, you know. I can't believe I didn't talk about Love Island at all. I, my whole life. My whole life is Love Island right now.

But it's, honestly, it's better. It's better in the villa. Come into M.G. I'll take you away into the night of fuck beds. I want to take you to the villa with me, MJ. But I can't. And all right, well, oh no, it's Jackie's snackies. What's snack she going to eat today?

Yeah, it is. I know it's the end of the episode. and I forgot for a moment, I was like, is there another section? Well, you're going to talk about the materialist. At the end, I'm going to be talking about the materialist. Spoiling the materialist. But first we need to get into,

oh no, it's Jackie. Snack is what's actually got to eat today. And that is the Selena Gomez Oreos. Yes, I have finally gotten my paws on it. And I needed to see, because I heard word on the street. It's given chocolate. It's given Orchate.

And that I love. That does sound really good. Always down for an or jata. And yes, and give me, you know, I love creamy, creamy. So I am going to get into this and see if this was worth the hype, because I will say, and everyone, you're trapped with me, so you need to listen to this. I was upset because it was the same price for a lot less Oreos than usual. Okay?

Wow. I was upset. I clocked it. I was upset because some of the limited edition, I will say, are smaller than the regular side. But that's fine. Was posties smaller? A little bit small. It's like more of a concise packaging.

This one, I think, is even smaller than the other ones. So I'm just letting everybody know, scent per cookie, it might not be your best buy. We're talking. Am I spoiling to, to, to, describe the flavors while you open. No, please subscribe. Chocolate cinnamon flavored cookie with chocolate and cinnamon flavored cream and sweetened condensed milk flavored cream with cinnamon sugar inclusions.

What the fuck? Mmm. It sounds good. I'll say. Mmm. Oh. Mmm. Chocolate cinnamon.

You know what it's giving? Vanilla. It's giving. creamy Oreo specifically teddy bears or the teddy grams

it's giving the chocolate and the cinnamon teddy grams mixed together but with cream that's what it's giving this is actually

really delicious I am still very angry about the scent to cookie ratio but this is actually pretty good and I do wonder

if she was a part of I mean she must be a part of choosing the flavor. I know that that's what they want us to feel. That is what they want us to feel. But I will say she also, I think on one half of the cookie, there's like some of them have music notes, but some of them I think have her signature on them. And I don't need Selena Gomez's signature on my cookie. Adam, do you want to try one? It does appear to be her signature. You don't have to talk about it into microphone if you don't

want to, but I just, I feel like you should, I'm sitting you're eating cookies by myself in front of you and I feel like you should try one of the cookies. It's very early in the morning, but it is a lot. You know what it is? It's double cream center. There's a little bit of chocolate and a little bit of like the cinnamon cream in the center. It's a chocolate layer and a vanilla layer. The cookie is not chocolate.

It is more of a cinnamon. That sounds delicious, actually. It's actually really good. It's hard because I do feel like the Oreo is perfect as it is, and so I'm skeptical of the new. I understand. But I would chocolate covered pretzel Oreos. Adam? I like that a lot, actually.

I like that significantly more even than the postmalone one. I also like it more than the posty ones. I am, I am surprised. I am a little surprised. Wow. Okay, Selena Gomez, I see you, bitch. Okay. And MJ.

Shall I do my minute munchies? Please minute munchy me. Well, I'm continuing my tour of hot chips. I'm obviously on a tear. And I think that UTS are. regional's regional northeast chips i never saw utz until i moved to new york city god uts are god they're just a different tier of chip and so they're not out here they're not out here they're not out here yeah i think so so utz is just your classic bodega chip here but i like

i said i had never heard of him until i moved out here but i've got the utz red huts so i am exploring the world of the hot chips i'm excited while you open this i will say i just received a limited edition just came out two days ago chili crisp kettle chips that I'm going to be bringing in for Kara on Second Helpings so you know the world of hot chips, hot

you know, any kind of crisp at all is really blown up right now what are we getting MJ? Oh man they're good. They're so good. Of course they're so good dude. Of course they are. They're different than the other hot chips. Oh my God what makes them different? They're not like the other hot chips because

it's like you know I feel like Ataki is obviously like a very, very crunchy corn chip and a chito, a hot chito is a chito, and a Dorito is a Dorito, but this is like a potato chip that is hot and it tastes both like a classic potato chip and it's very hot. And I feel like I haven't had that before and I love it. Utt's red hot. I highly recommend. Oh, I'm very into all of this. You see what I mean? It's like we have hot chips in all these different forms. Yes.

And this is just a form I'm not used to, the classic potato. but hot. Classic potato. And I can't recommend it highly enough. Wow. Okay. Thank you so much, MJ. This is a wonderful MJ's minute munchies.

I'm excited to go on even further into your exploration of hot chips. Yeah, oh yeah. I got more hot chips next week. Don't you worry. Oh, man. I mean, honestly, I thought about you, but it wasn't hot chips. I thought about you because you ate the dill pickle flaming hot the other day or a couple weeks ago. And now they're doing dill pickle ramen.

and I am I'm intrigued Borisshead makes Dill Pickle Hummus That actually is very good Smear on a sandwich Dill pickle Raman

I would try it Yeah I would also I guess I would try it But I'm not going out of my way for it Yeah I'm just saying If it comes to me It comes to me And I will say

Not all flavors in all forms You know No And thank you to everybody Who has been Lovin Kissin squeezing Bees in your snacks.

I guess it has been a singing episode for me, so I do apologize for that. And we will be back with snackies on second helpings this week because, I mean, give me an excuse to have another opportunity to eat more limited edition. Anything. So thank you all. I can't wait to hear about the chili crisp. I love this as a trendy flavor. But now, alert. Spoilers for the material.

If you don't want the materialist spoiled for you, this episode is over for you. Goodbye. Goodbye. But goodbye, you are the weakest link. Goodbye. But if you want to hear Jackie's grievances about the materialist, welcome. Welcome. Welcome, everyone.

Is that sufficient time for everybody to leave? Get your ear pods out. Get them out. I know that it's difficult, you know, sometimes we're driving, so I'm trying to give another second. But I will say the reason why, you know, I don't often need to spoil a movie. I think here we often talk about movies and don't spoil them or television shows and don't. This one specifically and why I want to talk about it was because everything about what made this movie not a rom-com I felt was very upsetting, ham-fisted, and I was very upset about the end. Okay.

So I just needed, and I apologize if this is not the place. that I need to take this. But I have to get it out because the whole thing is that she was in a relationship with Chris Evans for years in her 20s. And she's at this wedding

of someone that she match-maked together. And Pedro Pascal is the brother of the groom getting married. He is very, very rich. very, very charming. Has everything.

And her whole thing, Dakota Johnson, in the movie, is that love and marriage, it was one of the more bleak movies I've seen in a while. Wow. Specifically about the idea of marriage and falling in love and how it is a business interoperable. and how she sees the idea of love as very black and white of you want these things. And it is, of course, making many, many comments on how high everyone's standards have become

because there are many, many jokes of like the different, like meeting different people that she's interacting with where it's like, oh, I want someone that's like more mature because usually the way like it's like a 48 year old dude and he's like usually the women I date are like 21 or 22 and she's like well like got a 39 year old for you yeah and then and he's like oh no I meant like 27 you know it's so it is very bleak about the idea of dating especially right now uh-huh and I find that I really did like if it was a rom-com like the first beginning part of the movie I actually kind of liked yeah it's not well written it is very much Like she hadn't seen Chris Evans in a long time.

And like they, you know what, Dakota Johnson, I will say cannot act. But she can sexually kiss and have connections with people on screen. So it's like- Sexily move in front of a camera. We wouldn't call it acting. Yeah. But it's like it's not so much the speaking parts that you're listening to. It's more the like the body chemistry.

And I think that might be more coming from like the Chris Evans and the Pedro Pascal of it. Yeah. And she's very, very cold and not nice to Chris Evans. Okay. And wasn't nice to Chris Evans. And he is hopelessly head over heels still in love with her. Okay. And would do anything for her.

But she has made it very, very, very clear. He does not make enough money. Okay. That's why she broke up with him in the first place. She even says, it's not even that I don't love you. It's just you can't. afford me. Uh-huh.

And, which is interesting because even in it, she says she makes 80,000 a year. And I find that interesting because we all know that in New York City proper, making 80K really doesn't get you that far. I don't think she'd be living in like a two-bedroom fucking apartment. And you're like, it's not based in reality. Yeah. I mean, like, none of it was based in reality. It was very much like, it's a love.

It's a love. Now, I don't know how long this movie was. It's only an hour and 50 minutes. It felt like almost two hours into the movie. All of a sudden, and I will say trigger warning, maybe I should have said that earlier, that there was one of her clients that she was very connected to that could not find someone because she was 39.

She wanted, you know, she was like, oh, I have to find someone that, checks all your boxes, checks all your boxes. And she wanted someone over six foot. She wanted someone that made, you know, at least 200K a year. She wanted this, she wanted this. And she was very openly like, I don't think I'm asking for that much. And she was very connected to this woman.

And she really wanted her success. Because if there's one thing Dakota Johnson was in this movie, she was a good matchmaker. Okay. Okay. She's a career woman who hasn't found love herself. She's a career woman, yes. She is moving, and she wants money. She is very openly saying to Pedro Pascal, she would only ever marry for lots and lots of money.

Okay. So she starts seeing, she ends up seeing Pedro Pascal. Enter Pedro Pascal. Because Pedro Pascal, he's living in a $12 million fucking condo. He is everything. He is the unicorn to a point that she's trying to get him to use him to like put him in, you know, to like sell him off as a match. But she takes him for herself. and it's everything she's ever wanted.

But then this woman gets essayed, her match, gets essayed by another person that she had matched her up with. And it is very upsetting. And she is rocked her whole idea of what love is, of what matchmaking is, of what relationships are. And the reason why I felt the need to bring this up was because I felt that this character was very much used as like almost like a cartoonish version of like, and now she's upset and now she's, and then cut to later on

that she's being, you know, the guy is going after her again, this woman, she said she never wanted to talk to go to Johnson ever again. And she calls to go to Johnson to come and help her matchmaker that she doesn't talk to anymore In the middle of the night, even though she's an hour away, she gets her to come help her because she's being, like, gone after by this dude. And the thing that upsets me the most is not, this whole movie is how bleak. It's so upset.

You don't know people and we can't trust people. And in the end, she ends up, I'm just to say it, choosing Chris Evans because he does truly love her. And she throws away everything that she's been saying this, entire movie. It makes absolutely no sense. She turns down this huge job. It makes absolutely no sense. But on top of that, what upset me the most, was that there was like an update. It was like months later of the woman that had been a client that said that she was never going to be a client that got essayed. And they were like, and good news about Sophia. Yes, you know what? She's going on a date with a 36-year-old 5-8 dentist.

And they said it with a smile of like a... It all worked out. See, she lowered her standards. She lowered her standards after being assaulted. She got an essayed and she lowered her standards and... Wow. And this is the transformation. Yeah.

I don't know if it was so... But then here's my question, MJ. Okay. As I'm saying this, was it supposed to be tongue and cheek? I was like, okay, maybe it's tongue in cheek. Maybe it's like a oh, of course. Like, that's not. but then I read an explanation of the ending written by the writer-director.

Uh-huh. And I just was like... They're taking it as serious as a funeral? I just don't. I just, it's like, see, don't you see the transformation? And it's like, no, it wasn't deserved. Also, what are you talking about that that's a transformation that, like, she lowers, like, her, like, almost on a standards, which I guess it's like, I guess that's good.

Uh-huh. But like this is what we're saying. Like, I'm sorry. I have nothing else really to say about this. I just needed to say this aloud. Some, because. Sounds like the entire movie, including the end, could have been done without the assault. Yes, but then it would have just been the movie of do I shed up this guy or do I

shoot up this guy. And I think that they were trying to make this a drama. So it was very dramatic. Mm-hmm. It's just, I did, like, I didn't. I like the lovey parts. And I know that that is so sad, pathetic. I was like, I like the love part.

Like, honestly, it was really cute. I fell in love with both Chris Evans. And, but that even, you know what? No, no, I didn't. I didn't, because they hadn't, she and Chris Evans hadn't been together in 10 years. And her whole thing is like, you still live with roommates. You barely have a job. You do a play.

He's 37 years old. He never worked on any of it. And what transformation? The only transformation is at the, get back together. There is none. What are you saying with this? I feel like all you're saying is that it's bleak, that love and dating is bleak. But then it's like, but that's why the writer-director's like, but do you see, put the hope in the end. I was like, but why? And I am hung up on the idea. I know it's just a stupid movie and I should just let it go. I just needed to talk about it.

We're marketing it is a rom-com and it basically is a rom-com, but they just kind of shoehorned in an assault for dramatic effect. And I feel like that's never a good move. I haven't seen. I haven't seen. the movie, but that's... To only affect the main character and to not explore what the character that went through it. Like, it wasn't about that. Like, she was just a two-d-y... Yeah, not good to use that as a tool, as a narrative tool, as a narrative device, I would say. I just feel like... Because, like, I really liked past lives. And, like, Celine's song was up for the writing Academy Award for past lives. Like, I really enjoyed it. Yeah. So I think that's why I was like, I'm going to go into this movie. You know what? I'm going to let it subvert my experience.

I was like, I know how I feel about Dakota Johnson's acting. So I'm going to go in with a, you know, grateful heart. Like, I went in open. Yeah. And then I just wanted. I was like, you know what? Maybe it's just like a good romance. And hell yeah, I'm down with that.

I just, it was like, I feel like it was trying to be like, but this movie says something. But. Right. What is it saying? Yeah. It sounds like it doesn't quite know what it's saying. There's an NPR review. The Math and Celine songs materialists doesn't ask.

up. And just a cursory look at the reviews. It seems like a lot of reviews are like, what is happening here? Very confusing. That's why I was so, it's why I wanted to go see it to talk about it on the show because I was like, it is so divisive. People have been either loving it or being so blindsided by how upsetting it gets. Yeah. Which is understandable. Yeah. Well, now I want to see it. So, I mean, you've summarized it very well, but now I'm curious. But also Pedro Pescal. It sounds to me, it sounds like the introduction of essay towards the very end of the movie just to heighten the dramatic stakes does sound ham-fisted to me. But then it was like, it felt like there was another hour of the movie.

I thought we were wrapping up. Yeah. But we weren't. And so I just thank you for listening. Of course. for supporting me. And thank you everyone that did end up saying for the end of this because I just, I guess I more would love to hear from anyone else that has seen it and how you guys feel

because, you know, maybe I don't think that I'm completely off the mark here, especially with the reviews and stuff like that. I understand that I'm sensitive. You know, maybe I'm sensitive right now. But I, you know, I love a. romance. So I thought that maybe I'd just really like it. Yeah. Yeah. This is another one. We would love to hear your thoughts. If you want to talk spoilers, you can email us, page 7podcast at gmail.com. If you just want to talk general thoughts, you can do those on our Patreon comments or wherever else you like

to communicate with us. But yeah, now I kind of want to go stare at the materialist for two hours and see how I feel. I don't know if I'll get that in before next week, but I will try. And And I think we did it, Jackie. I think now it's up to the people to decide whether it's up to the people to decide. Whether it's a good movie or not. And I think... That's the end of the show, right? Yeah, thank you guys so much for hanging out with us on this week's episode of page seven.

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