Page 7 - Pop History: Britney Spears Pt. III

Episode Date: August 4, 2020

We conclude our series on the princess of pop by diving deep into her legal problems, the conservatorship over her, and the #FreeBritney movement. If u seek bonus content, check out our Patreon! Patreon.com/Page7PodcastKevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 License creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0 Subscribe to SiriusXM Podcasts+ to listen to new episodes of Page 7 ad-free.Start a free trial now on Apple Podcasts or by visiting siriusxm.com/podcastsplus. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

lies on me in the center of the ring just like a circus. Can't leave my house. Don't have control over my life like a circus. There's a big old movement online trying to get me out circus. Circus crackers. Do you remember those cookies with the pink icing? Yeah, they finally are the ones in the animal crackers box, they finally set them out of the cages. I know, which is nice.

Remember when that happens? That's nice. You still in a cage. Guys, spoiler alert, it's Britney Spears. I just am. beside myself. This has been such an eye opening. This was really the one I was looking most forward to getting to because I hadn't really dug into the whole movement online. I hadn't really dug into the legality stuff and actually what is happening here. Because, you know,

I think it's easy to say. Sometimes people get carried away online, right? And so sometimes you can see something online and be like a little inflammatory. You can be like, oh no, free this person. But then if you dig into it a little bit, maybe there's some nuances there. Not saying that we do not wish for Brittany to be freed, I desperately do. But it is a complicated issue. And I'm excited to dig into the meat of it. To take my oil shovel and stick it into the big chunky meats and just launch those meats up in the air. That's what we always say.

That's how you eat on date nights with Lexie. Oil in the hall. Just like a circus. Yeah. I was actually a little nervous to talk to you guys about how. I feel because again, I do feel like I'm going slowly mad in sitting and ripping through as many court documents as I can find and looking into what, trying to find what is actually going on. Because again, like you both said, we see the hashtag free Britney movement.

And again, I also, I agree with you, Holden, of the fact that, yes, we don't want her to be kept in a cage. But I do think that there's a lot more to this story that even we will never know. and I was nervous to say this to you guys of the fact that I don't know if I fully agree with the hashtag free Britney movement and what social justice warriors are doing online. I understand the intention. I understand where it is coming from.

She should not be kept against her will a thousand percent. However, what we will get into is the ways in which people think that they are helping when in reality they are not. And actually they're making it, much worse for her to try and get her freedom. And so that's why I want to try and talk about this as unbiasedly as I can't.

There's lots of stuff. And you heard last episode, even when I was saying, at the time period, I understood the temporary conservatorship. I understood she was on psychological hold. To her kids, they thought were in danger. I understand.

And that's a separate issue, honestly. It's a whole other thing. Yeah. It's a whole other thing. And when I first started looking into all this, So it's like, I can't believe she's not even allowed to use her own phone. She's not allowed to do all these things. And there are parts of this that are inflamed by the internet that are actually not true.

And it is looking into, I know, I know sometimes the memes are wrong, guys. I mean, I will also say this, though, as much as don't think that we're going to sit here and defend the conservatorship. Not at the same time, from what I'm looking at, it does seem that we have found some sort of corrupt corner of the legal system. at least when it comes to this conservatorship stuff in L.A. or in California, because it looks like they are now in a situation where this is just the circular money-making scheme for all parties involved, except for Britney Spears. And it all seems to be pretty out of her control and everyone has something to gain. Pretty much the same exact problem she's had her entirely.

Yeah, therefore no one wants to let her be free because then they don't make their sweet, delicious money anymore. And we'll talk about why that is, because. even her own lawyer, who should be fighting for her to be, to have more freedoms, has no actual incentive to do so monetarily. Vipers. Yeah. They're all vipers.

Yeah. It's really gross. So I, but I think that also at the same time, you have a situation like her most recent court hearing that was done over Zoom, where they had to reschedule it because free Brittany protesters refused to leave the Zoom chat. And that's not cool either. So that she couldn't even enter the Zoom chat so that she could be a part of her No trial.

So that's putting her in a different cage. Yes. It's so gross. It's technically the same cage. And if we go back to where we left off, too, I really found the documentary for the record really interesting because it was her documentary that she put out after the head shaving incident. And it really is sort of a gateway into how she feels and what is her actual problems, many of

which are surrounding people obsessively flocking her 24-7, having absolutely no autonomy over herself. And even if it's fans who are really trying to do something good for her, she actually needs less of that. She needs less people touching her. Like literally, I so understand how she felt when she was like getting her hair cut off. I really do. And yet even that for the record was executively produced.

by her manager Larry Rudolph. So even though, yes, this is what she wanted to be, what she wanted to put out and what she wanted to say to people, still, it was manipulated and misconstrued in any way that they could still do it to make her image look like what they needed her to look like after she had her breakdown. So even that is still not truly.

For sure, for sure. But I will say about that documentary, she's very clear-eyed in it. She's very present. Her eyes are clear. She knows what she's saying. And it's a weird contrast to the way she's drugged now. I don't have any say in what her medical status is.

I don't know what drug she's on. There's something very concerning about that is the other element that we, that's another separate issue to me, I feel like that's all tied into the whole thing. But you go on her Instagram and especially like if you look like, When you look at her dancing, it's disconcerting, but then you look at her answer fan questions. And she just clearly looks not right. I don't know what it.

It's just doesn't. And she does look like someone who's, I don't know what, it is manic energy or something like that. She's, she's days. Like, she's not really out of it. Present. Also, just quickly about that doc, they were, obviously is being manipulated to show what they want to show, but they are capturing real time footage of the paparazzi and stuff at the, that time.

Oh, it was a nightmare. They are, it is, it's actually frightening. Like they're, they're screaming angrily at her. She's begging them to leave her alone. When she's crying on the sidewalk, just trying to smoke a cigarette and she's just like, can you please just leave me alone? Can you, or she was waiting for her car to come? Yeah, I mean, there were, there were moments where they couldn't get inside of a building

because the paparazzi were being so violently aggressive trying to get pictures of her. And then when she wouldn't come out of the car, a guy is straight up, calling her like names and like screaming at the top of his lungs and it's really frightening. What I think is, and something that I saw in a lot of the articles that have been written, especially over the last five years, is that if you really look at, and I've never thought about it like this, the way that Britney Spears was brought to the world as this virginal, all-American sexy teen, that no matter what, she was going to grow up and she was going to go up and she was going to quote unquote disappoint us at some point.

And that all of this, in fact, it was written in this article says, the anticipation of her eventual failure was a built in part of her appeal. That is part of it. At some point she was going to change. She wasn't going to be 16 forever. They set her up, this entire persona to be brought down at some point. And we as a public, soak it the fuck up. We want to hear more about it.

I think that, especially I don't mean to speak for everyone that. I'm not even talking for the people that started the hashtag free Britney movie. I'm talking about how it eventually became is that they want to have a project to save. They want to look at her and they want to save her because she was set up for failure. And a lot of this stuff that it's devolved into is very reminiscent of QAnon stuff, which is distressing with trying to different. code every word she says. Right.

It's a little, it's going into the world of like complete, just like chaos conspiracy theories. Yes. Even just the most recent, one of the most recent Instagram photos she put up of showing a pink planet, like a photo of a planet that's real and going like. It's chromatica, yeah. It's so pretty. I wish I could go there. Let's go because it's a pink planet.

And people are trying to decipher this as like, oh, this is a message to us. She's saying pink again. It means something. I think she just really thought it was a cool looking play in it. And I agree. I would like to also go there and see it because I like pink a lot. Yeah. Something that I don't agree with either is the fact that she's constantly referred to as the most controversial entertainer of our time.

So many of these documentaries is like, she is the most controversial celebrity we've ever seen. She's really not. It's almost laughable. She's done nothing that bad. You're saying this as if she's a murderer. You're saying this as if she's a pedophile. She shaved her head and she hit a car with an umbrella. And once she had her son on her lap while she was driving.

Oh my God. Did she go out partying with her girls when her husband left her? When she was 22? Oh my God. Yeah, you want to know who the most controversial artists in the world, in my opinion is, besides maybe like Michael Jackson or Chris Brown. Yeah, Chris Brown. How about these fucking people who get to continue to have a career?

It's ridiculous. He still has a battery charges against him. Incidents well after the Rihanna thing. I love Billy Joel. We all know as a wife meter. For real. Yeah, it's ridiculous to claim that anyways. But we digress.

Let us jump in. Let us get back to exactly where we left off in the lead up to for the record, the documentary. Brittany is released from the psych ward in February of 2008. as the doctors said she had stabilized enough so that the doctors could no longer hold her against her will. After she gets out, she has a meeting with a lawyer named Adam Streisand who fights the conservatorship in court,

claiming that Brittany, quote, has expressed a very strong desire that her father not be appointed conservator. He has been estranged from her, and this is causing her even more stress. However, Jamie's lawyers win. According to her mother, he was abusive to them,

just de Cepway. I also don't trust her as far as I can fucking throw her either. Because as we will see nowadays when she's like, she's finally come to rescue her daughter. She's not fucking helping anything either. She wants to get back into the goddamn spotlight. Yeah. I don't trust her either.

Yeah, not at all. Yeah, we'll get in. There are recent developments. Sorry, I'm going to try. I wasn't yelling at you. I'm just mad about the situation. I get very, I've been, yeah, poor Jeff has just, every time he comes to the room,

I'm just like, do you realize what they've done to her? I mean, and he closes the door. I live with a Zabrowski also, so I'm familiar. It's fine. For the record, none of us are mad at each other. We are just very mad at what's going on right now. Pretty serious. I don't know how to describe this feeling.

Also, I didn't even realize, too, is we were talking about this at the end of the last episode about how Blackout is such a great album. And I didn't even think about it because during all of this time was when she was supposed to be on tour for the album and all of it gets canceled. So she didn't, she wasn't able to promote it. She didn't able to do the tour that she was supposed to do. That makes so much more sense of an album that I was like, why is no one talking about how great blackout is?

Just to give you a little perspective at the same time, she makes a guest appearance on the TV show How I Met Your Mother in March of that year. And it earns the show its highest ratings ever. So she's in no way fallen from Grace in terms of like popularity. Well, if anything, people are even more interested in her. Unfortunately. Yes. 100%.

So she eventually is able to see her kids three days a week with one overnight visit. They start to like very loosely loosening the reins. Larry Rudolph ends up getting rehired as the manager, I believe by Jamie, yes. And starts pitching a reality series to networks in mid-2008, which would get a release in November of that year on MTV. And it is released two days after her new album Circus, which of course I did the line earlier from that, titular song, All Lies on Me in the Center of the Ring

Just like a Circus. Just like a circus. And I also just want to note, I feel like every single quote from her about her next upcoming album, she always uses the phrase, it's going to be, quote, more urban.

Yes. She always says that. It's like how urban, like, how can it get more urban? They also described the, the Las Vegas residency that gets canceled as her most urban, her most urban,

I forget how they reverted it. I was like, okay. I feel like, this is, what are you, this is 2016. What are you talking about? Yeah, I think that's like recic execs giving her that word to say over and over again. Yeah. But also at this time, Barry, too, in the way that she talks about, the way that she talks about her kids since the beginning of her kids is very sad.

It's very upsetting because all she wants to do is be a good mom. She even said at this point in time, to be a really good mom, I feel your child needs to be your full-time job. I want to raise my kids and share all those precious moments with them. If Kevin hadn't left, which also, she did leave him. But she says, if Kevin hadn't left, I'd be with my babies 24-7. But since they're almost like twins, they both take care of each other. I think they look like me.

They don't look like their father at all. Yeah, fuck him. And it's just the way that she talks that is, and we've said this obviously in the last two episodes, of an infantile state of where her brain stopped because she hasn't been able to think for herself since she's 14 years old. Yeah.

In 2008, in that doc, I really feel like she was present, but you can see the sadness in her eyes. And she talks about, too, in that, that Kevin did kind of leave in the sense that he wanted to do all these, he had his album coming out and everything, and he just stopped showing,

like she never saw him anymore. He was just cheating. He was just out and cheating and openly cheating on her. And partying and partying and, and do it. It's like he didn't give a fuck about her. No. And so you're right. And like, he did leave her.

She's just the one that physically left him. Yes. Here's a quote from David Lukato, a former boyfriend of Britney Spears. If anyone knew the real Britney, they would know that she would rather be remembered for being the great mother she is rather than the artist she is. And if anyone could see her interactions with her kids, they would know that there's no need for a conservatorship over Britney's personal life. It is, I know.

And again, I know that this is just as a. that watches all of her social media things, the way that she interacts and the way that her kids interact back with her, as someone that has worked with kids for a very long time, if she was bad to those children or her children didn't love her fiercely, they wouldn't act the way that they do. And I know, again, it's in front of a camera, but like she sits and paints with them. She sits at like she acts like a kid with them.

And I can't imagine that K-FED, and maybe I'm speaking, speaking out of turn here is the most paternal person that they could be around. Well, yeah, I mean, her dad just got in trouble for fighting. For hitting her kid. Yeah, for like hitting her. Spoiler alert. Yeah, that's coming around the pipe. Sorry.

That was one of the more eye-opening, like, oh, this dude should not fucking be the guy in charge. I cannot believe that there can be a restraining order out on, against him for on her, with her own kid. Which is why she lost her kids again. total control over her. It's insane. Anyways, going back to the album circus, though.

I'm sorry. I should be like, but I've got other things to yell about. No, no, we'll move past this. I mean, it's what's so crazy about all of this is, while all of this is going on, she's still putting out all this stuff, so I do want to talk about it. She's going on world tours. She's going, and she's still like,

she went out, she released the single Womanizer, which is such a great song in September of this same year. And the song debuts at number one on the Billboard Hot 100 charts. It's also the video becomes the years most watched on YouTube. She's doing all this while her life is falling apart. Yes. She also does write a lot of material on this album and brings in many of the folks she worked with early in her career, including Max Martin.

And Max Martin with her did the song that I love, if you seek Amy. Oh, yeah, that's a fun song. Yes. For, you know, F-U-C-K, me. And he, yeah, he did Baby one more time with you. her. That song is a fucking bop. She then becomes the youngest female artist at five albums debut at

number one on the charts. Womanizer, as you said, becomes her first number one since baby one more time. She wins Best Female Video, Best Pop Video and Video of the Year for the song, Peace of Me, which is all about the media and the public's obsession with her at the very following MTV Video

Awards the year after they fucking trounced her. Traster for being into fat, being non-existent. Yes. And she still goes back and performs again. And again, we'll never know if these, like that kind of choice. Was that hers or was that her team? I don't know.

But I don't know. It does seem like that is when she's happiest. She seems to love the performance aspect, the dancing aspect of it more than any other aspect. So it might have been because she wanted to. Yeah, that song, by the way, has the lines, I miss American Dream since I was 17 as well as the line. I'm Mrs. She's too big. Now she's too thin. And that's the song that she gets awarded for at the very ceremony that she was made fun of that.

Trash at the year before. I'm kind of repeating that, but it just really needs to be highlighted. It's so disgusting. Which just keeps working. But also, so this is around the time. So I don't know if you guys have been following. I mean, if you're listening to the third episode of this, I imagine that you're following at least what's been going on in the last year or last month.

So on July 11th of this year, there is a hashtag free Britney conspiracy theory. that was revitalized when Brittany Spears's former photographer, Andrew Gallery, posted a series of TikToks leaking a 2008 letter. So the business lawyer, his last name's wallet, and this photographer's last name is Andrew Gallery. Oh my God, are they all fake? They're all the same person. Jamie Badfather.

That's his last name. Jamie Badfather Spears. She said to change that middle name if you want to be a conservator. Her choreographer is Devin Happy Feets. I'm sorry to cut you on. No, no, no. So he released a series of TikToks that leaked a 2008 letter about the conservatorship he claims Britney Spears wrote. He says she gave this letter to me back in 2008 or so.

I was under a contract back then. I couldn't really talk about anything. And now, seeing everything that's going on, frankly, I'm a little worried. about her. So I wanted to get this out there. So around the time that we're talking about is when this letter that Brittany writes in the third person was apparently

written. It is, it's quite possibly a choice of singer made, wrote it in third person to protect herself as well as to set the record straight in 2008 of what was actually going on. Again, there is no confirmation of whether she wrote this or not. We don't know. It does

look like her handwriting, but I'm just reporting on the news. I'm not saying whether or not I believe in it because I honestly don't know. Yeah, I was going to ask you guys because I don't know how to take that either. Do you think that he's being legit? Well, what she wrote in the letter. Yeah, what is what's in the letter. That's what I want to know first. This is part of what's in the letter. What happened to Brittany was a year ago and people need to get with the times. And as far as Kevin saying Britney divorced him, she was forced to by her lawyers because she went to visit him in New York and

he wouldn't see her and the children and her lawyer said if she doesn't divorce him he's going to do it himself so kevin trying to play the innocent victim is hardly irrelevant he left her and the babies her going on the mend partying two years ago has nothing to do with the situation now she's a completely different person and most of their fighting was done back then because of his problems waking and baking to marijuana at five in the morning no one talks about these things because no one knows the truth spiers goes on to address the events that let her to being placed on psychiatric hold in January of 2008. Federline was at her house as part of their custody agreement to pick up their sons, Preston,

and Jaden, who at the time were two and one. When Federline arrived, Spears reportedly locked herself and Jaden in a bathroom, and police were called. When police came to the scene, they reportedly noticed Spears was under the influence. Spears was 26 at the time and was rolled into an ambulance on a gurney, which took her to a nearby hospital. Now, Spear writes, in defense of herself, she was lied to and set up. Her children were taken away and she did spin out of control

which any mother would in those circumstances. Now this year, Brittany has been silenced to speak about anything that's really going on. The people controlling her life have made $3 million this year. She would love for new eyes to see her situation. But if she brings it up, she's constantly threatened

that the conservators will take her kids away. So how long does this go on? As long as the people are getting paid and she has no rights, it could go on for a while, but it doesn't make it right at all. So this is what she was said to write in this letter. And you were even talking about in the documentary,

this is around the time that she was, it seems, more lucid. And now we know that she's on a lot of medication. Again, this is a conspiracy theory. Brittany Spears has not said that she wrote this letter. But hasn't not said it, right? They won't speak to it. I feel like you can't believe anything.

a lot of that sounds accurate. The one thing I will say doesn't sound right is that I've never met a stoner that wakes and bakes that wakes up at five in the morning. I just don't see the accuracy of that. I think it might be a little bit of uppers in the night and downers in the day. I mean, I've lived that life for sure. You know, I get it. Not me. I do have a quote from for the record about the conservatorship where she says, there's no excitement, there's no passion. I have really good days. And then I I have bad days. Even when you go to jail, you know there's the time when you're going to get out. But in this situation, it's never ending. It's just like Groundhog Day, every day. I think it's too

in control. If I wasn't under the restraints I'm under, I feel so liberated. When I tell them the way I feel, it's like they hear, but they're really not listening. I never wanted to become one of those prisoner people. I always wanted to be free. And here's a good, this paints the picture pretty well from a Rolling Stone article of someone who conducted an interview with Spears around this time. A bear of a man with piercing blue eyes, Jamie and the conservatorship lawyers.

Jamie Badfather? I'm sorry. Jamie Badfather. Make it, no, no, this is good. This is going to be our running joke for the episode. So definitely do this. At least there's something we can laugh about because most of this isn't funny. About how bad if a father he is.

So Jamie and the conservatorship lawyers make it difficult to talk in depth to his baby and interviewing Brittany was a rigorously micromanaged process. We were never left alone together and my questions had to be submitted ahead of time for approval. Acceptable topics included her new album,

her boys, and that's about it. Her team said she wouldn't answer anything about the past year and vetoed a question as straightforward as do you have an opinion on the presidential election. Okay, so we look at this right and Jamie Bedfother is obviously completely controlling everything

that she's allowed to speak to. That's not okay. However, and this is what I'm going to keep bringing back up of how I feel conflicted about the hashtag free Britney movement. I think that she also did need some help in keeping paparazzi publicity to keeping that controlled and away from her. That I do feel that at this point in time, she almost needed someone to be like, you can't ask her that question. She's not going to answer that. Just to help protect her and to get her into a mind that you can. say no because I feel that she was so grateful for where she had gotten and she is a nice good person

that she wants to be open I mean hell at this point in time she was dating one of the fucking paparazzi I because they were the only ones that knew her she felt like she was closer to them than other people which is so fucking tragic and the other tragic part is you're I think you're absolutely right but it wish that it could have been somebody who is actually healthy to be around yes Because it shouldn't be him is the problem. I think this is the real thesis statement I'm working with. I agree with Jackie. There needed to be a conservatorship at one point.

But now the conservatorship is so profitable for a bunch of shitty people that they're not allowing the essentially the ramping of her getting control back over her life that needed to be in place years ago. Right. And instead, they're forcing this to continue to be the way it is because everybody's getting a payday. And let's get into that. The conservatorship, so she has to log every purchase she makes into annual court reports, even if it's like a Starbucks coffee drink.

And she is the one who pays for her own prison. She pays for all the legal fees. She is in prison. She really is. Possibly up to a million dollars to these people. She's got the lawyer wallet who even got himself a raise near the end of his tenure. Jamie's raking in $128,000 a year, I think just for his first. and then he also added all of these

there was this whole breakdown of all these office spaces that he claimed or all these offices that he claimed that needed to be reimbursed for supplies and stuff but they're all at one location. So it's just this giant moneymaker for these lawyers and also the conservatorship includes Brittany losing her right to hire her own attorney instead getting a court appointed one

which really gave her no fighting chance and now that lawyer is getting paid out of her estate and therefore has no motivation to get out of this. So anyways, Jackie. I want to speak to real quick because we've never actually said it. What is a conservatorship?

What does this mean? So essentially, conservatorship is designed to be the solution to the problem of a legal adult who has a brain injury or mental health condition that leaves them unable to care for their lives properly. Instead, the courts assigns someone to do so for them. So some states distinguish between conservatorship as covering financial matters and guardianship as covering personal matters. So in other states, you would have two people controlling very different sides of it.

But in California, where Britney Spears lives, they are both considered one conservatorship. So this gives her father not only complete control over her career and her business, but over her actual self, which is why he was awarded a temporary conservatorship in the same. in the beginning of all of this to help her get out of the situation. Now, proving that an adult is no longer competent to run their own life is a long and drawn out process. It's not that they just, it's not a one and done thing. It should be.

It is, that is why there are monitors that are constantly monitoring the situation, which also the problem is, is that Jamie Bedfather is the one that hires and talks to the monitors. but also that it is why they have to go into a hearing every year to go over everything that is going on, to re-go over her medical records, to reintroduce new evidence of why she doesn't need to be controlled in such way. And they claim that if the conservatee wants out of the conservatorship, that is possible, if they say they want out. however would a person say they want out if they are drugged right and if or taking medication that maybe they shouldn't be on or maybe don't need as much of as well as the fact that now things have changed and there's obviously parts of her conservatorship that she wants to be changed however

how do you go back to having no one protect you and not trusting anyone after all of these things. Again, I don't agree with the conservatorship in the way that it is functioning now, because, like, Holden, you just brought up the idea that, you know, she can't hire her own lawyer. She had hired her own lawyer, and his name was John Erdley. And this was at the very beginning of all of this. Now, he claims that he had only talked to her a couple of times, and then someone wrestled the phone away from her. So he goes in, he files a civil action to send Brittany's case to the U.S. District Court. Erdley argues that Brittany has been denied the following rights. So this is in the beginning of 2008. He says that she doesn't have the right to freely

associate with friends, make or receive telephone calls, operate a motor vehicle, and the right to her finances. He says Ms. Spears's prescribed medications are designed for outpatient use. Yet she's being confined by the conservator to the private prison of her own home. He claims that she's deprived of her constitutional rights. He then U.S. District Attorney, Judge Philip Gutierrez sends Brittany's case back to probate court because he said Erdley had no authority to remove the case from state court and that Britney is now incapable of retaining her own counsel because someone came in to take it to the higher ups. The higher ups said, no, no, no, get out of here. At least this is what I,

I have read and put together. Right. Because again, it's very difficult to read all of the actually, like, what happened? Why? Because I'm just, I'm convinced that there has to be more that we don't know about that it's happening in these courts because there's different judges every time. So it's not just like one person that's keeping her. Right. Well, one thing I've tried to get into is that you said the word temporary before, but on October 28th of, I believe it's 2008 or 2009, Jamie's lawyers win a bid to have the conservatorship be permanent, which means if it goes uncontested, as you said, it will stay until Jamie passes away. And I think that's when things turn evil is when they take it from a temporary thing that's actually trying to help her to know,

we should make this permanent. I'm getting a huge payout. You're getting a huge payout. Everyone's profiting. We've grown her estate by millions of dollars. The residency was a huge success. Look, it's working, right? Everybody? Why would we change? We've made her millions of dollars. This is a great situation for everybody. Why should we drop the conservatorship? And it's like because a human being is sort of weirdly trapped. Of course. I'm confused. Like, do you know why? mom is obviously very problematic also, but do you know why her mom is completely stepped away from this entire situation? So she has not now. Now that was the development. Well, yeah, that's new, right? I was going to say that Lynn Spears filed a notice to be a part of the conservatorship hearings on May 10th, 2019.

I think. But that was 10 years ago. Yeah, I think that it's because Jamie swept, swooped in and took over. I don't think they have a good relationship at all. No, they don't. I think that she, also, she's not. At the same time, while they have friction, she's been pretty checked out in terms of Britney's life. I think it's one of those things. Hell, I'm even guilty of it. When drama heats up in somebody's life, sometimes my shitty reaction is to turtle up and be like,

oh, I'm not getting near that. Sure. And I think that's her selfish-ass move as mom. But you can speculate that. All this is speculative. I have no fucking clue. This part is also speculation, but I find it very interesting,

is that before John Erdley stopped working with Britney, this is her lawyer. His spokesperson, Michael Sands, claimed that Britney is being robbed and that the theft is on a grand scale involving racketeering, wire fraud, and money laundering, and that the theft occurred prior to the conservatorship

taking place and continue still. How do we, and they also claimed that after they went to court and said this, that there is an ongoing criminal investigation, this is in 2008, because their office had been, broken into and documents had been allegedly stolen and or erased from his computer. He said, lives have been threatened.

People are being intimidated. It's terrorism. I don't want to make any accusations, but we're talking the financial rape of Britney Spears. And so this was going on before the conservatorship. I mean, I believe it because there's nobody solid protecting anything there. So it's almost automatically going to happen. Right. And the funny, weird thing to me is, I feel like that is why she has been, continue to be so prolific.

Because I think the only place that she's actually free to just like go nuts and do her thing is in the studio and kind of on the stage. Yes. And it's like, that's why I think she's like, get me back in the studio. Let's make another album. And that's essentially what happened. She goes on tour for circus through 2009. In 2010, rumors are confirmed that she. She is dating her agent Jason Trowick, who stepped down from his role in order to do so.

But then stuff gets gross with that that we'll talk about in a second. Of course. Yeah, yeah. Because Spears, they get engaged. And I'll just jump to that really fast. They get engaged in December of 2011. And he becomes a co-conservator along with her father in April of 2012. So this guy just like steps in and he gets control over.

her fucking life. They are just allowing, it is insane because this is also when they never to John Erdley, they brought in which you had mentioned a little bit before Samuel Ingham the third, who is now, and currently her lawyer. This is also the same man who is being tried for the wrongful death of Casey

Casim by Casim's entire family. Whoa, really? Yes, this is the shit head lawyer that comes in to do this exact thing of being able to control the huge amount of money of other people, but also around this time. Speaking of just bringing in someone else to be another co-conservator,

this is when they also bring in Lou M. Taylor as her business manager. I was just surrounded by predators. And Lou M. Taylor is the one that said that, like, you have to keep Jamie at the, Jamie Badfather at the head of the conservatorship because she thought that she could control him because she is, this is a whole other road that I'm not even going to get into right now, but I will say she's the head of multiple ministries of why the Britney Spears Foundation that she had set up to help a bunch of poor kids, why all of that went under because she took all of the money from the foundations and put them into her churches. But that's Lou M. Taylor for you, because what she ends up doing is well, who's still her

business manager. She ends up, this is at this time period is when she becomes the business manager for Lindsay Lohan when she was losing her mind. Oh, my God. And also put Larry Rudolph, who is the manager of Britney Spears, who is all the business. also the manager of Lindsay Lohan in charge of Lindsey Lohan's conservatorship. Oh my god. It's just so embroiled of like, oh my god, wait, I thought Larry Rudolph was like actually

not that bad of a guy. Oh my god, he's also bad. So yeah, this Ingham guy, by the way, who in theory should be arguing on her behalf for a less restrictive alternative to a conservatorship, which clearly he has not done, has gained over two million dollars in fees since he signed on in 2008. And I just want to, and this is the real question I have for if we do get to sit down with somebody who has a lot of knowledge of the law and of lawyering. Because again, we are not lawyers. I'm just really, you know, how is there a situation like this put into place? This lawyer

has Zippo incentive other than, I don't know, being like a kind, compassionate, empathetic person, which clearly he's not. Zippo motivation to actually get her out of her conservatorship. How is this even legal? How is this? How is this even allowed? It seems like the whole thing is set up in this loophole that just keeps everybody's profiting. The added insanity of this, which I'm not the first person. There's been many articles about this, but most people under a conservatorship cannot function under any circumstance. She is still during this time where she allegedly can't take care of herself is still out there performing.

Writing music more than she had ever even written. And making people tons of money. But yet she's not allowed to like drive her car. They took her from making 24 million a year to 47 million a year. Because they're driving her to make as much money as possible so they all make even more money. Here's a quote from Will I Am working on the Britney Jean album. Shout us Natalie Jean, by the way. Yeah.

And that's why you need to be fully controlled by. Yep, middle name Gene. Yeah. She can't think for herself no more. They're taking me away. Bye Natalie. Holden keep you caged. We'll be presiding over your court conservators right now.

Here's a quote from Will I am. Brittany's a pro. Her time is valuable. She has kids. And a lot of time with an artist, they'll go into the studio, they'll sit around, they're watching TV, they order some food, they're giggling and joking. They're searching and listening to other people's songs.

They finally get to work, then they take a break. They order some food. The friends come. And that happens for four or five months. sometimes eight months. Brittany's like, I'm coming in from 2 p.m. until 6 p.m.

She'll arrive at 1.30. And from 2 to 6, she'll be like, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam. I've never seen anything like that. Her work ethic is pretty admirable. This is a person who can't take care of themselves. Right. Right.

Yeah, exactly. Shit. It is bullshit. And again, she's writing way more than she had had in a long time. And she's very, she's functioning. She's completely functioning. and then you're going to tell her that you can't see your own kids. Yeah, so, so.

I've been sighing a lot. I apologize to the listener. Lesai. We should say she puts out her seventh studio album in 2011 called Fim Fatal. It's a total like clubbop album with a bunch of electropop and dance pop ed. It's great. It's very fun. Synth pop.

It includes the track, hold it against me. It's executive produced by Max Martin going back to if you seek Amy and hit me baby one more time. And also Dr. Luke, who we is another. character we will probably talk about eventually when we do a Keisha episode because he's his own version of a piece of shit controlling piece of shit. So either way, she goes on the Fimfital tour, which runs for 79 performances. I already mentioned the Jason Trowick stuff. And in May of 2012, Spears is hired as a judge on the second season of the X Factor. However, she doesn't return for a third season. And Simon Cowell would later state in interviews that she was just not a

big talker wasn't really good for the show. Giving criticism made her uncomfortable when contestants were sassy and talked back. She was really uncomfortable. She's just nodded to that. She didn't want, she didn't want to be attacked on a set, which is completely interested. She's incredibly shy. She's an incredibly shy person is what you read over and over and over again. And the only time she's not that way is when she's outperforming. That's it. Even in interviews, you can see that. That she is, she's way more, because again, she's still 15 on the inside. I mean, she obviously doesn't really like that aspect of it and has kind of been forced into it. She just wants to be a mom.

At this point, she loves to dance. She just wants to be a mom, she loves to dance. And she likes outfits. So she does, she, uh, William, Will I am, what a, what a fucking name. She, he joins her to executive producer, eighth album, Brittany Jean. Work bitch was the first single followed by perfume. There was a controversy in that she was accused by various folks, including Chelsea Handler of not actually singing on some of the tracks,

including perfume, which was, of course, refuted by Britt Britt's team, and I think a bunch of bullshit. Go fuck yourself. Chelsea. Yes, and also Britney Spears's manager, Larry Rudolph, denied the reports that the star was lip-syncing during her Las Vegas residency. He says, she's going to be singing life.

She does choreography and vocal coaching every day. The vocal coaching is really just to strengthen her voice and get her to a point where she can go out there every night and do a full show. Because it's a lot on a body and a voice. to perform six to seven days out of the week full shows. It's a lot. Just to be a dancer doing those things is exhausting.

I can't even imagine the amount of training it would take to sing while doing all of that choreography. And also, again, like I said, she wrote work bitch. She's writing, she's writing movie. She wrote Me Against the Music, which was from In the Zone. You know, we talked about this last episode. She wrote every time. And then in this in between time, though, she didn't write one single song.

for blackout circus or femme fatal. But then she starts writing again. And she's getting way more into it. So again, this is the same person that usually conservatorships are left for either geriatric people or someone in a vegetative state that has millions and millions.

If she's doing all of these things, she should be, there has to be a half conservatorship. Right, exactly. There has to be something that helps. But there must be some legal, we'll have to find that out. There must be some legal form of like a partial, something, something. Get a social worker in there and just teach her the ropes. I'm sure it's not,

it's probably going to be tough for like a few months. But after that, I don't think it's, I don't even understand. Somebody just needs to step in and be like, this is what everyone's been doing for you. You're going to be doing it now. And these are the resources. I think the hardest part is that she is so surrounded by predators that anybody who would come in with goodwill, they would just destroy and just completely be able, they know exactly how to eliminate a good person. But it's also the emotional abuse of like even just a couple of weeks ago when her brother finally spoke out about the conservatorship. And he's like, what is she going to? I mean, this is part of it.

He also was supporting her. But then part of it was just like, I mean, what is she going to do? She's never even called a restaurant to make her own reservation before. Like, how are you? I mean, can't he go help her? Or just or have or teach it. But that's not a hard thing. You know, it's like you can figure it out.

She's not an idiot. No, exactly. I wish it's, I am not. blaming them at all, but I wish there was some way her siblings could kind of step in. But that's an emotional cage. You being told constantly that you're never going to learn how to do it, you can't do it, you'll never be good enough to do it. I think that's also part of the reason why she's not fighting as hard as she could against the conservatorship because I feel that she doesn't think that she can do it. I think she's resigned very much to it. I really do. I don't think she's

fighting because of that. Like, she doesn't really have any experience being a person. No. And yet, and yet she starts designing her own and launching her own lingerie line. Absolutely. She's fully capable of it. Yes, 2015 Forbes named her the world's sixth highest earning female musician. So she's doing all of these things.

Isn't that an abusive boyfriend situation, like when it's like you won't be able to live without me? It's the cycle of abuse. Absolutely. You know that if you break up with me, you're not going to be. But at the same time, we're talking about making a reservation or restaurant. We're talking about, I don't even know what, getting, you know, paying your bills. This is totally shit you can teach somebody. I mean, it's unquestionable.

It's unquestionable. It's an abusive relationship. There's no doubt. Have you ever done something? It's like when you do something for the first time, I remember when I got on a plane by myself for the first time, I was terrified. And you were going to cry all the way there. Yes. And then I sat on the plane and I was like, this is fucking great.

I don't got to talk to. Nobody? Okay. I get some nuts. Yeah. It'll be hard for like a year. I mean, I don't know. I've never done this. You know what I mean?

I've never, but I'm sure there are people who specialize in exactly this kind of thing. She would be fine. That's not Sam Afty or whatever the fuck is. He's like, you know, get it someone that's not just a predator. No, that's the thing. The hard part would be getting the predators, the leeches on her off of her. That would be the most difficult part because they are powerful. They know how to control.

And that's the. really scary. It's like you have to get through this barrier of people that are stealing from her. So we are now, we've been jumping around. I just want to fill in a couple of blanks here. Brittany, piece of me is her Las Vegas residency. It's opened in December of 2013. It's initially set for two years, but it is extended in 2015, much like her conservatorship, for another two. It contained 24 of her hits, no lip syncing, and went on to gross something like $138 million, all told. Oh, by the way, Jamie won in court to get 1.5% of all the money she made on her residency. Oh, good. Oh, that's awesome.

She did come out of his testicles, so, you know, it's fair. Yeah, when he was hammered probably on a bender. So Spears is also credited for being vital to the expanding of nightlife in Vegas, as well as for bringing in a younger clientele to the city that needed that very much so back in the day. I mean, she changed Vegas. In other words, what I'm trying to say. Although I would definitely go for Celine Dion, but you know what?

If you throw a Brittany night in there at that... But it made it sexier. Celine Dion brought in that glamour. Brittany made it exciting. You're trying to say Celine Dion isn't sexy. Yeah, I'm trying to say that. She wears a lot of loose silks. Ouch.

My heart must go on, and it must go on to Britney Spears. She has an interesting shape. That's all I'm going to say. Either way, in 2016, Brittany is honored with the Billboard Millennium Award, and she gets back into the studio to work on an album called Glory. Karen Quack, executive producers, said... What is she a duck woman?

Yeah, she's a duck. She's actually the only good one is this... I'm sorry. Creepy duck lady. Said... Quark! Quack! Quack!

...want wanted to do things that were fresh and unexpected at this time. Quack! There was never a moment where she was given a song and anybody said, this is a hit, you have to sing it, quack. Gritty pursued the song she wanted to do for herself. She came up with concepts and melodies. It's her baby. like being an athlete. If you're doing it that much, you're getting yourself in a shape. She was always

ready to work during the album sessions. And it was very important to her to be done by a certain time so she could pick up her boys from school. And she's also, again, writing so much for this album that she worked with this, this songwriter named Justin Tranter that used to be a part of the semi-precious weapons. He'd also wrote Justin Bieber Sorry. He wrote Selena Gomez's hands to myself. and he wrote with her on a lot of the album, on a lot of glory. And he said, Britney Spears really surprised me.

Brittany had some really cool fucked up ideas for songs. For one of the songs that ended up on Glory, just like me, which is a great song, she was like, what if we write a song where I'm so excited to go and meet with my man and I walk in and he's hooking up

with a girl who looks just like me? I was like, okay, Britney Spears, I'll write that song with you. Let's fucking do this. And so she comes in. Also, Ian Kirkpatrick, who also wrote, songs with her on this album, said he was blown away by her professionalism. Again, we see this again

again and again for most of the people that she works with that aren't the predators. He says, Kirkpatrick said she knew exactly what she wanted to do when she records and she does it quite fast. He says, the thing is, she doesn't have to stay along because she's a pro when it comes to being vocal produced. You'll say, try it like this and she'll just do it. There's no ego. She just fucking delivers. She's a real one. And I brought up that quack quote and you kind of doubled up on the sentiment that like I think really in the studio even more so on this than on the stage because the stage is it's hyper-controlled choreography is the one place she can bring in ideas yes do what she wants to do yes and and make it her own and it's and I think that is why she just jumps on that

so hard and is so amazing when it comes to this stuff I haven't read a bad thing about her in the studio no which I feel like you would like if this was a person who was under a conservatorship is they couldn't take control of their lives I feel like you would get quotes from producers being like, you never know what's going to happen. Some days she shows up and she sleeps on the couch the whole day. You know what I mean? Like you would hear an inconsistency. Yet she's the most controversial performer that's ever lived.

Ever existed. Like, what are you talking about? So, uh, yeah, she, her ninth studio album Glory drops in August of 2016 with the lead single Make Me. She also makes a return to the MTV music video awards performing the track, her first time back since the infamous performance in 07. Spears said, today I'm at a better place in my life. My kid shaped my personality and filled me. They made me not worry about what was happening to me. She says her son came up with the name for the new album, by the way, Glory. And in mid-2017,

Brittany announces a world tour of her residency concert called Brittany Live in Concert. And Larry Rudolph announces the residency would not extend past the end of 2017. Her final performance of the Vegas residency brought in $1.172 million setting a new box office record for a single performance? One performance. It broke the record for a single

shows gross in Las Vegas. That gets a hotchimachi. Yeah, it's a lot. That is crazy. And in 2018, she embarks on the Peace of Me tour in the U.S. in Europe, and towards the end of that year, she announced her second Las Vegas residency show, Brittany, Domination.

And this is where we get to the big, I think that moment, that big turning point when all, the whole free Britney thing really started, which was her cancellation of her residency. Yeah, you mean the urban street hip hop vibe of domination? Domination is reportedly set to have bleeding edge technology, which I don't know what that means, with two creative directors from Jennifer Lopez's team hired to help curate. Spears is set to perform her hits, but the show will feature hip-hop mixes between sets. It is just like, just feel like the whitest of the white Larry Rudolph was like, yeah, uh, ha ha, I'm going to put the word, yeah, pleading edge.

It's going to be lots of riprop wrappings. Oh, man, it will be, hoo-hoo. It will be a bit of a mix-em-ups. Brittany sounds blacker than ever on this new tour. Like, what are you talking about? It's like, all right, we get urban. Okay, all right. So on January 4th, 2019, Brittany posts on Twitter a picture of her as a child with her mother

and father and the following caption. I don't even know where to start with this because this is so tough for me to say. I will not be performing my new show Domination. I've been looking forward to this show and seeing all of you this year, so doing this breaks my heart. However, it's important to always put your family first, and that's the decision I had to make. A couple of months ago, my father was hospitalized and almost died. We're all so grateful that he came out of it alive, but he still has a long road ahead of

him. I had to make the difficult decision to put my full focus in it. energy on my family at this time. I hope you all can understand. So of all the things that I know are not a lie, which is a very short list, her father did have a ruptured colon and did go to the hospital. It is possible that he had almost died, which, you know, Jimmy Pitfall. And so her putting this out there was a huge blindside to everyone of why can she not perform

because her dad was in the hospital. Now we see almost two years later that he is still alive and fought. Oh, doing great. Here's a big part of it, right? In September of 2018, so that was January of 2019. Correct. September of 2018, Jamie Spears asked a judge for permission to step down temporarily from his role as conservator with Brittany's care manager,

Jody Montgomery taking over the personal aspects of the conservatorship, which came on the heels of Kevin Fedderline putting out a restraining order on Jamie for his two sons after an incident between Jamie and Brittany's 13-year-old son. The details of which I don't have, do you have them? I don't think that they really released them. No, because it involves a minor, which is also part of why it is so difficult to find information about the conservatorship that I don't feel that I agree with the hashtag free Britney of wanting to see all of the court documents and everything that's going on.

It's because Britney Spears does it also doesn't want them out. And I do believe this because it involves her children. Right. And she doesn't want people knowing the details about her children's lives. Because they're both still minors. I completely understand that. Definitely. But talk about someone that I also don't fucking trust.

Jody Montgomery. Which what is this? Who's this Jody Montgomery character? I didn't even, I know, right? I didn't even know about this stuff, Jackie. So you're on the tip of the spear with this one. Well, I mean, she's just, it's just another person that Jamie Spears brought so Andrew

Wallet resigned, right? Yes. In March. Yes. Andrew Wallet resigns and who takes over Jimmy Make Money and he is the worst. We push him off to the side, right? And so Jamie Spears knows that he is not doing well but he still needs someone that he can control in control. So Jody Montgomery

is now brought in as the professional conservator who was appointed by a judge after being told by Jamie Spears and oh, this should be the person that's put in charge. She has the power to manage all of her visitors, hire caretakers and security for Brittany, and prosecute civil harassment restraining orders, such as the five-year restraining order

recently filed against the singer's former manager, Sam Lutfi, and exercise oversight on her health care. Well, Chinstrap never really went anywhere because this entire time, they've also been in courts trying to keep this dude away from her. And at one point and again, I don't know what is right and what is wrong and what is actually happening.

At some point, apparently Britney Spears had a burner phone that Sam Lutfi had given to her at like a restaurant. They met and he gave her a burner phone that she had been using to contact him, even though her team had a restraining order out against him. They find the phone, they get rid of it, and then they tighten the conservatorship even harder because she's unable to be controlled because this trial is also going on at the same time. Again, I don't know if this is true though.

It's just so bad because it's like probably she shouldn't be talking to Sam Lofty. Probably not. Yes. Restraining her from that are also as bad as him. Just different bads. They're different bads because this is, and this is really. where the hashtag free Britney begins. And it has a lot to do with these podcast hosts that received a voicemail.

This is upon the, which happens on the heels of Andrew Wallet resigning with no explanation in March of 2019. Do you know the significance of that? By the way, before we get into this voicemail really quick, like I see, it seems really sketchy and of course that is also right after that spiers is entered into a psychiatric facility to quote focus on self-care yes so this is the beginning of last year something is going on with that wallet resignation and i don't know what the significant we will never know but it's very bizarre it is very i don't think it will ever know and especially going her going right back into the mental

facility so this is where all of this really starts to unravel i guess according to the internet this is when it starts unrevel This voicemail is incredibly a legend Jackie go on But I just wanted to state that This is so could be complete or shit So these podcast hosts were

They had started a show A side show called Britney's Graham Where they would riff on Britney Spears's Instagram posts They get a voicemail That was apparently left for them In April of 2019 By a listener who claimed to be a former paralegal

with one of the law firms overseeing Brittany's business interests. The imputative whistleblower's tensely worded message questioned the validity of the conservatorship, alleged that Brittany was resisting her overseers, and she had been forcibly medicated and committed against her will to a mental ward for a much longer period that had been publicly disclosed. So what this person alleged, that through her saying, oh, I'm not going to do the next tour, and that she'd actually been in a ward before the month long that was told to the public.

So one of her fans said that confirmed our worst fears. We know she wants out of this. Someone else said, Kevin Wu, a 35-year-old data analyst who lives in Hollywood, this again, these are just fans. Wu said he saw Britney's piece of me show in Vegas in 2013 and said, I felt she was going through the motions and it was sad. The voicemail message on the podcast confirmed to me that the Conservatorship is the reason she couldn't return to the level she's had before.

Not because of mental issues, but because she didn't have control, personal and creative. Again, I'm not saying that I just like don't agree with them, that this voicemail is this. We don't know. Or if the voicemail does exist, was it someone that didn't know what the fuck they were talking about? Sure. Also, this looks very guilty. I will say I'm not against it. I'm trying to be in the middle here.

Yes, but I don't think what she needs is her fans to show up everywhere. And boy, today do. It's right around this time that the hashtag Free Britney starts gaining traction on the gram by her fans and followers. They're also dedicated Instagram and Twitter accounts to the movement. And really, this is when it gets crazy with rallies being organized on a few occasions. You can look up the pictures of people meeting up on street corners with signs. like they're protesting like Black Lives Matter but it's for free from Brittany.

It's also why she won't go to her own trials and hearings anymore because she doesn't want to deal with them. Not helping. Because it's too much. She wants some privacy. She needs people to be away from her. Exactly.

A change.org petition for Spears to have a right to her own lawyer has over 240,000 signatures and counting. When I went to that link, it was being constantly updated with numbers. Like people are signing it right now. And I think, and I will say that, I think it's a problem of she doesn't need the masses.

That's like the last thing she needs. She needs literally like one decent human being that is able to get in there. To help her. Because again, I do think that she does need help. It's just, it's almost, it's hurting. I feel that it hurts someone's image as someone that is trying to show, hey, I can be more in control of what I'm doing by. going on their Instagram and being like,

she's having, she's, this is, someone stop it where, right. And then you're creating all this controversy under the Instagram post. Like even down to when she, when she had said that she wasn't going to do the tour anymore, and she had said on Instagram that she wasn't going to do the, I'm sorry, that she wasn't going to do the Las Vegas residency anymore.

And that fans weren't satisfied with her explanation. She, they didn't like that then she took time off of Instagram and then on April 3rd, after TMZ alleged that she had been in a mental health facility since late March and that the public was being lied to about where she was, she posted a photo with the caption, we all need to take a little me time. But she used an emoticon instead of her, the emojis she usually uses. Oh my God, whatever!

Which actually, actually means that she is not in control of it because you know because she used an emoticon this one time instead of all the emojis you always. Just the tone of that saying the public's been lied to about where she is. It's not our fucking business. And even I'm saying this, I'm just trying to say of like, because like I just tried to look for stuff. I just tried to go into stuff. And I felt dirty doing it. It makes me think of the Richard Simmons podcast of there comes to a point where I'm like, does she just want to be left alone?

Maybe she doesn't want to perform anymore. Who knows? I think it would be wonderful if she wasn't a. health care facility because at least she has eyes on her. If she's left alone in her home with these fucking monsters, there's nobody protecting her. At least if she's in a hospital, there are multiple doctors there and people who can give actual medical advice to her.

Right, right. Yeah, there's all this stuff. Wear yellow in your next post if you're in danger. And she's wearing yellow in her next post. She's following 116 people, which is 911 upside down. Oh, my God. Her face looks different. Her nose looks differently shaped.

That's not even Brittany we're looking at. those posts that's someone else. It's an imposter. This is all QAnon shit. I will say I understood though before I did all of this in-depth research I understood where the hashtag free Britney movement was coming from. I completely I get the idea behind it and I understand the intention. And it comes from love. But the road to hell is paved with good intentions. My mother has said this before. I felt like Linda was here. It's not even like bust the doors over too. It should be rehab. hashtag rehabilitate Brittany. Yes. Hashtag help

Britney Spears. Help. Like, yeah, it's not, but anyways. Here, and this quote, this is from Elaine Renoir just to confirm the way I feel for a president of the National Association to stop guardian abuse. As long as she is bringing in so much money and as long as the lawyers and

conservators are getting paid, there's little incentive to end it. Usually the conservatorship just keeps going unless the conservate makes a fuss or the family does. Well, at least a one point last year, Lynn herself liked multiple posts using the free Britney hashtag as well as a comment from a fan that read, I really hope you were supporting Brittany and trying to end this conservatorship. I really hope your ailing ex-husband isn't keeping your daughter somewhere against her will,

which is a crazy thing for the mom to like. Is that supposed to be her stepping in is going like? She's liking things on Instagram. Yes, a thousand percent. And then she also go last year. she after Britney Spears's 30-day stay at the mental health facility she also filed a request in court in May to be given notice of all matters related to Spears's conservatorship so she had no input before this and now the worst part and I hate to say this as a mother that has definitely written lots of books about her daughter and I don't think it helped her in the way that she needed to be helped I see this as her wanting a piece of the fucking pie I don't see this as her going in and helping her because she wants to go in and be involved in this

and also is going on Instagram to publicly say these things against her ex-husband and I feel like if I had a kid that I wanted to help and get out of a situation that they shouldn't be in would I go to Instagram to do it?

You could be right. It could just be a money thing but I could also see it just reading having read one of her books, that she does that demure, like I'll just, I'll just let the husband make all the decisions. And I'm just, I'm sorry, I'm not shitting on Southern Bell people, but that whole shtick really makes me mad, especially in this scenario where you need to be a fucking tiger for your kids.

Right. And you're just not doing it. Right. And playing that card. And then maybe she just wants another book deal, you know? Yeah, it could be. I mean, it could be that. herself. She has to, you know, that's not going to make any money. Jamie Lynn Spears posted

an old paparazzi video of people screaming at Brittany to move out of their neighborhood with the caption, I have been here long before anyone else and I'll be here long after. I love my sister with everything I have. So anyone or anything that speaks to the contrary can GTF-O-H with all the comments about what you don't understand, which actually I think is the more, the most legitimate thing said about this. Yes. And even her, again, her brother Brian Speer, so we don't hear from very often, even came out and said that his sister does actually want her conservatorship to come to an end,

but he's repeatedly insisted her fans' concern for her well-being are completely unnecessary. So I don't know how much involvement he has in it or if he's actually talking to his sister, but he says she's always wanted to get out of it. It's very frustrating to have. Whether someone's coming in peace to help or coming in with an attitude,

having someone constantly tell you to do something, has got to be frustrating. Of course. So yeah, she's wanted to get out of it for some time. Brian added that becoming self-sufficient will be a difficult transition for Spears. This is what I was talking about before, as she's been surrounded by a team of people

since she was 15. So at what level does everyone just walk away or at what level does that get reduced? I know what she wants, but at the end of the day, what is the reality of that? So are you going to call and make reservations for yourself today?

Yeah, she can. That's right back to the emotional cage that she's being put in. Yeah. And it's just like, yeah, she really could. She could. Someone or a team of people who actually had her best interest in mind could easily get her, I think, rehabilitated back

to a normal life in society in like a year's time. Let's give it like a year to be generous, two years to be generous. I mean, I just don't see how that's that difficult. She's our age. Fuck this. She can figure it out. It's crazy. She's smart. It's ridiculous. So, yeah, and as we already mentioned before, but the most up-to-date

thing, which is such a good, metaphor for this whole situation or a good analogy. The most recent hearing July of this year was unable to proceed as a bunch of free Brittany protesters Zoom bombed it and refused to leave so they could not proceed. So I don't even have a good update. It's so bad.

Free Britain people because we would have gotten a decent update kind of and we can't even do that because you fucking guys messed up the... I think those people have the best of intentions. I don't think that's what she needs. She needs... She needs

love and support from very far away. Like she's able to have them. From your homes. Give her, send her energy. Do your prayers or whatever you do. Meditate on her. I think that will help. I don't think showing up to her, you know, her court hearings and stuff is really going to do anything but cause more problems for her. Because on May 10th of 2019, so again, this is last year,

Judge Brenda Penny ordered that an expert evaluate Britney Spears' competence. and he said that if Spears had verbally requested to end the conservatorship, there was no official motion to terminate it. It seems like she asked if she could stop it, but not demand that it be stopped. There is a difference. And again, I do feel that she's probably nervous about losing the protection that she had because remember, 2007, her own security guards were getting paid off by,

operazzi that she didn't trust anyone anymore. And now looking into when I tried to say like, oh, I want to know more about the relationship she's in right now, it's difficult to find stuff on it. It's difficult to find the true information of what is going on in her life. And I kind of love that. Isn't that what she wanted? I hope this guy's okay, not a total sleeves, but I'm glad. He just kind of looks like a, and I don't know that much about him.

But he's 23 years old, hot as fuck. And I think that he might just be a big dumb meathead that also like really loves his mom is what I've kind of seen. And he takes sort of like his model shows and stuff like that. They seem like at least of anything. That's, that sounds great. And I'm glad with you, I'm glad that we don't know everything about them. Yes. But I do, I loved, I read this, this article that was so interesting about why is a culture.

And I'm just speaking for an American culture, why we are obsessed with the comeback story. And they said, our obsession with Spears' storied public failures is only one part of the misogyny that underlies women's comeback narratives. Spears is allowed to succeed again. Many people are even rooting for her. But much of the appeal of her, quote unquote, comeback is predicated upon revisiting her earlier public humiliation while reinforcing the unrealistic expectations to which we hold women. It's not enough for Spears to turn in a solid performance. We want to see if she's managed to magically transform herself back into the embodiment of smiling, shiny, sexy pop star perfection.

Because so much of it is like details of the comeback of Britney Spears. When that is a narrative that the media has formed for her because it sells papers, because it sells articles, because no matter what we all grew up with Britney Spears and I am definitely guilty of it myself, I'm going to read anything that comes out about her. because she's been in our zeitgeist, for most of us, if you're listening to this, most of our entire lives. She's always been there.

She's always been a part of it, whether she's at the lowest part of her life or whether she's back up. And again, I've also loved watching her comeback. Like, fuck yeah, girl. Look at you selling out all these fucking Vegas residences. That's fucking awesome. You get to perform,

but you also don't have to be far away from your kids. You get all the things that you want. And then yet, her dad, who is in charge of everything hits her kid and then her kids are taken away from her again because he is essentially an extension. I'm sorry, I apologize, that's the opposite. She is an extension of him. Exactly. Still. That should just immediately eliminate you from. Yeah. How can you still be the one responsible for these people then? The real issue here is the conservatorship laws in California need to be like heavily reformed.

despicable. And the only thing that I can hope is now I'm going to start following this Casey Kaysam trial to see if there are changes. I want to know about that. I didn't know he had wrongful death. Yes. And the whole family is like you, and it's the same lawyer that Britney Spears has that you did this to him because you made more money with him dead than you were making with him alive. What do you do to? Who knows? It's all under wraps right now. Yeah. I mean, and I assure everybody, if there, if a part four needs to be done, I'm happy to do it. because this is in no way resolved, but I think this is essentially where we land in terms of our three part series on Britney Spears. I am tapped. But Jackie, Natalie, if you guys have anything else in your notes or anything to talk about, go for it. I am, I have, I released this from my soul.

I release this. I don't know if I'll ever be released. I feel like I'm, I'm never under the conservatorship of Jamie Spears. I feel like everything I look at him like, yeah, but is that real? is how she really feels. Nothing's real. I'm going to a crazy

point because I've just been alone and reading about Britney Spears and listening to Britney Spears or listening to Britney Spears and then pausing it and putting on a documentary or watching one of her concerts and just and I don't know what I'm going to do.

What is going to happen to her? All I know is that I'm not going to show up at any of her hearings. Yeah. And I do implore you if you are listening to this to please not do that either. Yes. You can go protest, do that. But don't show up at the proceeding because now this gives Samuel Ingram, her lawyer, the edge on it,

because now she's not going with him because she doesn't want to deal with everyone outside. So he gets to say whatever the fuck he wants. Yeah. And I think that's the best thing that everybody can do for her is send love and really, you know, Positive energy. Follow the story. It's okay. But don't, she needs space.

She needs space more than anything, which is the one thing that she has never been able to receive in her life. So she needs to have, if you want to free her, you've got to free her from all of us too. That's part of the issue. Yes. And I mean, I did feel, like I said, I felt the same way when I was listening to the Richard Simmons podcast

as it was coming out every week. And then finally he came out and was like, can you please stop? please I just want and I was like I'm sorry I feel so guilty I shouldn't have even been listening to it's like you're right you just want to be left alone and that there's nothing wrong with that and we're still even though you know the narratives have changed quite a bit and we're more aware of people's mental health it's still happening and it's happening right now with conier and Kim and as mad as I can be at Kanye for how he's acting they're still taking photos of

them I've thought I refuse to speak about that on page seven because that's disgusting it is picture of Kim Kardashian crying, talking to it because the only way where that they could go was in the car. And then the paparazzi showed up and take disgusting pictures because they know that it sells. And I mean, Kanye has that still a thing. Kanye had to leave. He tried to go to the hospital and people were crowding him there. So it's still happening. And you have to remember that these are human beings.

Like they're just people. And in fact, how many clips I watched of Britney Spears yelling, I'm a human being at paparazzi when she was just. trying to walk into a place. So yeah, you know, if you can avoid looking at those photos, definitely not buying anything from the places that post those photos would be great. It'll help, you know. We have to do better as a society, which I do think we have gotten better. We are definitely getting better.

Yeah. For sure. Yeah. And I'm glad that we, you know what, I'm happy that I looked into all this to finally understand because, again, I was completely behind the campaign. And I want to make it clear that I'm not, I don't think that she's happy and that she wants everything that's happening to her. And I do think that she needs more control.

But I think it's something that she needs to learn over time. But we have to allow her to make those changes for herself. And hopefully she just doesn't fall into the arms like her mother, who is now going to battle out with her bedfather. But this is, yes, this is it. This is it. I'm sorry. Now I'm just because I'm obsessed with it.

So I just forever want to talk about it. All right. Well, either way, let's put a pin in it for now. I'm addicted to you, Britney Spears. This has been an amazing journey we've gone on. We're going to do something fun and silly next week. Yeah, I'm excited. We'll cleanse ourselves of it.

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