Page 7 - Pop History: Cher Pt. III

Episode Date: February 16, 2021

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Show a little more, show a little less, and a little smoke. Welcome to Berlis. Wow, you're giving me some eye while you're saying. Yeah, do you like it? I was trying to give it up to both of you guys. I was so afraid I had to look away. I'm glad. I didn't want you to set me on fire with those eyes in that sultry voice.

That Cher did in burlesque, but we're not there yet. to part three of Cher, we will be getting to burlesque today, we will be getting to how many times I watched that movie and I'm really excited to jump into her, I don't even want to say

Twilight ears. No. I think that she's still going. I would rather call it her Twilight saga. Sure. Whoa, how dare you? She is no Bella. Thank you fucking very much. Wait, which one's better? Sure. Okay, good. I thought you were saying

Bella. Super seed. No, no, she's more of an Alice. Or actually, you know what she is? She's a Rosalie. But we don't need to talk about... Oh, yeah. I will say, right.

She did say she was pretty unhappy with how burlesse came out and that because of that she did lay on the floor until she died. And luckily someone picked her up. Oh, in the forest. Yes, in the forest.

Oh, she did to see. Can you imagine Cher ever in a forest? Never in her life I'm going to throw it out there. Has Cher ever been in a forest? But I do believe if she did go, a man would somehow find her and pick her up and carry her. I would hope that they would. And why, again, are we hitting Chapter 3 of Cher's life?

It's because I love this quote about her. Is that Cher was famous for being famous decades before anybody knew what a Kardashian was. She is fluidly toyed with gender norms and sexual moors until they've looked stifingly past. And she's always been brazen about her hustle. And also, she's very good at using an emoji. She has been able to change who she is and what she shows of herself for decades. Love it. And it's constantly changing.

She doesn't even usually refer to it as a comeback because she doesn't think she's ever fucking gone anywhere. Which is why she's so perfect in burles. My quote to start this episode off was, Never think of the word comeback as a slap in the face. It's a challenge. I just, God, Cher could be anything. And even as we were walking over here, Holden was like, you know, Cher's like a really good actress.

Yeah. And I think, but I'm saying that not as a judgment. Yeah, yeah. It took burlesque for you to figure that out. Well, because burlesque, at the end of the day, that's the big, her biggest acting challenge, right? What, burlesque is technically not a good script, right? No.

Everything, everything that holds it up is its cast. some of its musical numbers. The dancing's great. And the dancing's pretty fucking solid. And so... It's an actual good movie. That scene, that audition scene with Cher and Christina Aguilera is so cheesy and so badly written.

And Cher sells it so fucking well. That was the moment I said, that woman right there is an actor. I just, I'm mad at the movie makers for making Christina Aguilera do that dance audition. It's the most, like, grading thing on a dancer Is it like a Julia Stiles? Yes, it is a save the last dance moment all the way.

Do you want to describe the, we're way jumping out of Burlesque, do you want to describe this scene a little bit because we're kind of talking around it? She's surrounded by incredible professional dancers, and it's the worst. And Kristen Bell's also stuck in this zone, and I hate when they do this in movies,

where they just make this actress be, like she pretend like she's a dancer, when she clearly isn't, and then everybody goes, She's a monaise. But I will say she's got the pipes for it. My gosh, she has the pipes. Yeah, she's got the pipes in a burlesque show where nobody wants a singer.

They want dancers. But I mean, is that even a burlesque show at the end of the day? I think that's the biggest crime against this film is it's called burlesk. And from what I know about burlesque, like nothing that's happening. It should have just been called the Pussy Cat Dolls. Because that's what it is. It's like a musical review, a sexy musical review. Yeah, well, it'd be like me going into an opera and going,

I don't want this singing. I'm going to show you my moves. We're like, no, no, no. We just need people who can sing. No, no, no. I won't stop until I'm dancing. Dancing for you. I love how excited we are to talk about burlesque.

I saw it last night. I loved it. We'll get to burlesque more so in just a second. But all that is to say, like, that real, I mean, I've seen her in so many things and been impressed with her in so many things. But for her to hold a scene up like that in a movie like that is an incredible feat. It's an updated cabaret.

I'm gonna say it. Is it? All right. It's not dated or they just took, they took Alan Cumming. And then they just shook Alan Cumming. They took Stanley Tugee's exact character from the Devil Wears Prada

and just put him in Burlis. It looked really good though. Yeah, it looked great. Sorry, we have so many other things to talk about. But where we talk about burlesque, we just are, I think that we all either watched it last night or this morning. So we're all just like, I'm titillated. I just love burlesque so much.

It's great. I, but can I ask you guys this? Do you believe in life after love? Do you believe life of love? You know what? I do. No matter how to try. You keep pushing me. Now, do not it tune.

I can't. No, no, any you. So when we last left off, Sunny had died. Cher contracted Epstein bar virus, which caused her chronic fatigue. And she ended up doing hair product commercials for her hairdresser friend Lori Davis,

which made her the laughing stock of the country. because she wore wigs. Cher said, there's nothing like an infomercial to slam dunk your ass. I had really fucked up. That's when I remember knowing about her as a kid.

Right, that's so weird. That's our introduction. Is this like campy, ridiculous figure in a lot of ways? This is why, in growing up, I was so obsessed with the idea of Cher. But why was I so in love

with her from a young age? It wasn't like I wasn't watching the Sunny and Share show. I wasn't, I mean, know, as these things, believe came out, and that's what really cemented. But at that age, I was 12. Yeah. It's just because Cher is such a presence of a human being.

Yeah. And, you know, but we knew it almost, like, Sunny and Cher, we knew as, like, a parodyed thing by that point. It was, like, a comment on the thing. And so, but what I loved about, all right, so I kind of had this mental connection. She's so good at taking shit from people. And it totally remind me of when Sunny and Cher were, like, down on their luck and doing the tour. traveling show and all the hecklers were shitting on them and she totally turned that and spun that into gold by making fun of the hecklers and making fun of sunny and like actually building a

whole career off of it and again she finds herself the laughing stock everyone's laughing at her and what does she do she turns around she digs deep and she responds with believe she this share became the oldest woman to have a number one song at the age of 52 she had a number one song in Every generation that she has been performing in. Isn't that crazy? Isn't that crazy? How many generations, too? It's five?

Yeah, the 60s, 50s, 50s, I mean, not the 50s, but the 60s, 70s, 80s, and oh. Yeah, so I just constant stream of amazing stuff, but this is such a different turn for her, this dance album. She did that one disco album. For the most part, she was more folk, a little bit of rock and roll. But head of Warner Music, UK, Rob Dickens, wanted her to make another dance album that would appeal to her gay audience. But she wasn't intuitive at first, feeling the genre didn't have, quote, real songs. Still, Dickens approaches songwriter Brian... Yeah, but I will survive. Come on, Sharon.

There's lots of, what are you talking about? Dickens approaches songwriter Brian Higgins, who gave him a tape of 16 songs, and the ninth song on that tape was, Believe. And Dickens felt it would be great for Cher, especially the lyrics that connected to her very public private life. So it really is like a song of like romantic renewal of like, and everybody knows, she was ooh getting that big drum come oh yes and even though she wasn't credited as a songwriter share said she did contribute the lines i need time to move on i need love to be strong i've had time to think it through and maybe i'm too good for you oh according to share she said that was

oh my god god daddy i felt that should we say we're all in the same room right now so my god yes we can we can actually sing together now this is so nice according to share she said I was singing this song in the bathtub, and it seemed to me the second verse was too whiny. It kind of pissed me off. So I changed it. I toughened it up a bit. Yeah, it should be noted, even though this was from a dude named Brian Higgins, apparently, like, in general, like half the song wasn't really there until they took over and added a bunch of parts and everything. So it was, it was like barely a song when they got it. Well, and it didn't have the auto tune originally. And auto tune was just coming out. It's crazy to me that. that Auto Tune really got,

this is the first song that openly used Autotune because it was created as a, you know, a little judge. Like a fixer. Yeah, yeah. It was from Antares Auto Tune, a recent software that had hit the market about a year before they recorded the song. And the song made it so super popular, obviously, fundamental.

I love it too because it's like, she was the precursor to mumble rap. She really was. I mean, he's the mother of it. The mother of mumble rap. I love it because they even sometimes refer to the auto tune effect as the share effect because of this song. And even the person that created auto tune said, I didn't think anybody in their right mind would ever use that effect to this extent. He didn't know that this was what auto tune was going to become, but really did, his name is Andy Hildebrand.

And he couldn't have predicted the influence of believe and its pioneering use of auto tune. that this time it wasn't a cosmetic cleanup tool. It's its own distinct stylistic effect. And Cher loved it. And it came from producers, especially producer Mark Taylor. There was also another guy named Brian Rawling in London in 1998 that she met with. And Mark Taylor was actually worried she'd dislike what he did as, quote, basically it was the destruction of her voice.

So I was really nervous about playing at her. But she really took to the auto tune touches so much so that actually the president of her record company didn't take to it. And she said to him, you can change that part of it over my dead body. She was definitely going to make sure she got it in. To Taylor, she said, don't let anyone touch this track or I'm going to rip your throat out. Yeah.

Very intense. Very intense about a pop song. But that pop song would go on to win Cher another Grammy for Best Dance Recording album. And I, uh, we will discuss in this part of share of how this is where she gets. gets technically her egot, kind of. I call it the egot loophole. I love egot loophole.

With the Cher show. Wait, what? Another, oh, sorry, I jumped ahead, but I just get excited. We were discussing this before. I know what an egot is, but what's an egot loophole? So the egot loophole is the Cher show comes out on Broadway. It is three different actresses playing her. And that got a bunch of Tony.

So it's like almost more baller than getting an egot in my opinion. That's what the egot loophole is. I got it. I just love Cher so much. Is it weird to be like, hell yeah, I'm proud of you. Everything that I read about Cher, I'm just so proud of it. Could you imagine having a body of work so prolific and successful that literally there has to be three actresses play you in a story of your life?

Can you imagine being blessed with three episodes of pop history about your life? I know! What an honor. So, yes, this song's incredibly popular, believe goes quadruple platinum. It sells 10 million copies worldwide. I mean, I remember when this song came out. It was everywhere.

Yes. And undeniable. And after that success, she sings the Star-Spangled Banner at the Super Bowl in 1999. She performs on the VH-1 Divas Live 2 special, which was VH1's most watched program in the network's history. And we should absolutely do a pop history

on just VH1 divas. I love H1 divas. Because there's got to be stories there. And this is also at the same time. She put out another movie called Tea with Mussolini. So this was in 1999 and I love Tea with Mussolini. I feel like it is another one. I appreciated that the New York Times revered to it as once you accept the notion that tea with Mussolini aspires to be little more than a kind of British Italian steel magnolias

with a patina of World War II, movie uplift, it becomes a pleasure to watch its stars shamelessly hamming it up. That line right there, why do you think I fucking loved it? It's amazing. It is Judy Dench, it's Joan Plowright, it's Cher, it's Lily Tomlin, and it's, um, oh my God, what's her name? Tomlin, Tomlily. No. Why isn't her name in this? John Tom Lilly. Tomcat Jones. Is that the name? It's Tomcat Jones. That's who I was referring to. I love her. She's always going, hurrah! And,

whee! Tea with Mooseleady. It's a famous line. Holden didn't even beg to write it in his notes. That's how much. Jaggies is so insulted that I didn't include

Tea with Mussolini in my share notes. Maggie Smith is who I was referring to. Oh, not Tom Kat Jones. I thought it was Tom Kat Jones. Powerhouse women in one movie and it's fucking great and he didn't even put it in his notes.

Go watch Tea with Mussolini. Yes, it's difficult to find. But I do have it on DVD. You can't find it like you can't get iTunes I think it's on Peacock You can't watch any share movies Why are all the share movies gone? What fucking psychopath madman

Because you know it was a man To removed all of the share movies from any reasonable I think Sonny did it from the grave And put it into voodoo Like we want Walmart on our streaming service No but what I will continue on saying with the New York Times review of tea with Mussolini No one can see, so it doesn't matter anyways, but go on.

It takes place in 1930s, fascist Italy. I don't know why you're not excited about it. What they said in it, and this is what's important. A big part of Cher's singing career was always her lavish costumes and lower key and ordinary characters to play. This film is an exception to that rule. In the semi-autobiographical story from director Franco Zeparelli, share plays a highly glamorous and at times over-the-top socialite who assists a bunch of British women to care for a young boy whose mother has died.

Cloaked in fur is an expensive jewelry. She seems to be having fun bringing the glamorous share persona to a film role. Why are you laughing? Can I... Gascist Italy! Cloaked in furs! Can I borrow the DVD? No!

Wow! It's too late! Yes, you can borrow the DVD with Mussolini's great. If it's scratched up or whatever, just put toothpaste on it. So it's a big move for her because she gets to wear cloaks. But also she hasn't been on the movie screen in a minute. And that is what the review continues on and saying, it's only after she appears that you realize how sorely she's been missed for movie screens.

For Cher is a star. That is, she manages the movie star trick of being at once a character and at the same time, never allowing you to forget, that's Cher. So, fantastic film. I want her to do more movies. I hope she will. Yeah, I hope. I can only hope she does.

Well, it depends on if, you know, what happens with the world opens back up and if she will continue to go on another farewell tour. She had. She, I didn't have the quote because it just depressed me, but she was like, I had multiple movies in operation, in production or pre-production or whatever. I had like, I think a memoirs on its way.

That's going to be huge. But she had a ton of projects, actually. We should email her and tell her to cancel it because we just did these episodes. Yeah, she probably doesn't need a release a memoir at this point. I mean, because, you know, we've already talked about it. But I will say her next move's pretty baller as well. I just, like, she is so fucking baller.

Like her, so her next album is written almost entirely by Share Herself after attending a songwriter's conference in 1994. It's called not commercial, but it's not dot com. And had, uh, and she had to release it on her own website. It's a dumb name. It's dumb name. I think we can agree it is a dumb name. The reason why it's baller is because her record label rejected it.

So she just put it out through her. own website and was like, I know this isn't gonna actually, it's literally called not commercial. I know it's not going to make any waves, but I just wanted to write an album myself, and here it is, and I think that's fucking badass. It is cool. And then her dance album follow-up to believe was Living Proof. That was her more commercial thing in

2001, which did pretty well. And this led to what she dubbed as the final live concert tour of her career called Living Proof, the Farewell Tour. Though she said she would continue to make albums and films, just not tour anymore. She signed up for 15.

tour dates for the album. How many tours dates did she actually end up doing? 325. Yes, 320. I have six, but... That's bonkers. She said, it's an artist's dream to have a career where you're continually drawing new people in

while hopefully keeping your longtime fans happy. But I'm certainly aware of the fact that it's a rare occurrence. I don't take for granted the fact that people still care about what I do on any level. I love her. So this is that she was going to... She made it into an... international tour.

At the end of the 59 dates, she added 100 more dates on, and then she just kept adding more dates on. And then did a three-year 200 performance residency after that? Yes. She said she would later sarcastically remark, I'm approaching 80, and if I

did that thing everyone does come back in five years, I'd be driving around in one of those carts, you know, the ones with the joysticks you see in Costco. There are two reasons people come... I'd watch it. There are two reasons people come back. because like the Stones, they're broke again, or they're old divas who can't wait to be out among their adoring fans.

But this, this is truly it, which it is not. And so this is the concert that she filmed in Miami and then put the concert footage on NBC. It debuted to 17 million viewers and won her three primetime Emmy Awards for outstanding variety music or comedy series, outstanding costumes for a variety of music program and technical direction as well. On the tour that she said,

it's going to be the last. She's not doing it anymore. She's not going to be old, still doing it, and she is. I get it, I get doing that to sell tickets, calling something a farewell tour, but I just feel like all musicians and actors. You can never believe it.

Do you believe? Everyone just needs to stop, quote unquote, retire. You never retire from music. That's why I went to Shania Twain's concert. I thought there was the last time that I was going to be able to see. You'll never retire. You'll just die.

Remember when Stephen King retired 20 years ago? Yes. It's ridiculous. Anybody generally that's an artist, like, I get it. It's all, I mean, you're going to sell so many more tickets if you call it a farewell tour, but it is so just not a thing that actually happens. Like, no one ever just stops, you know what I mean? And it's like, I'm done singing songs.

Yeah, you don't get into entertainment because you're well adjusted. Right. You do it because you need the applause and the intention. The applause, applause, applause. She needs it. chair needs it and she's never going to stop needing it. But strip club, honey, I should wash your mouth out with Yeager Meister. Do we finally get to talk about burlesque?

Because I, last night, I watched it and threw up everything but my memories. Honey, I hear it. Everything but your memories is what she yells at Kristen Bell. I, please do yourself a flavor and watch burlesque if you have not seen it. At least this one's easy to get. It is. It's one of the only share movies that's easy. Very easy to get a hold of.

It is a crippling two hours long, though. I do feel like it should be one and a half hours. It's very long. There's no reason for that. It is Cher's debut musical on screen because this was before Mamma Mia. But isn't that crazy? She's done all of these movies and none of them, I didn't even realize, none of them were musicals. This is the first time she's actually singing in one of her movies.

Yeah. An interesting collection of songs in it. Yeah. I have mixed feelings about the songs that appear in the movie. A little more. Oh, little ass. That's always in my fucking head. She only did it because she just had never exactly what you said sang in a movie,

and she just wanted to finally, like, do that. And I think that's why she ended up later doing Mamma Mia, the Mama Mia sequel. Because again, it was like, I think she was like, oh, yeah, I should be, I'm sure. I should definitely be singing in movies. Like, why have I not put the two together yet? The singing dancing parts are the most fun parts of the movie, for sure. I'll watch those people dance all day and then, give me a lot. all the costumes. Give me every single one of them.

I was thinking about this last night because I was like, technically this is, I guess, I don't even know how to speak towards it because I enjoyed it. But it's technically wasn't a big smash hit and it's not looked at. I mean, they even did, let's, for example, they did an episode of how did this get made about it. The very first episode ever. It makes me sad. Oh, really? Oh, funny. And Cher also doesn't like the movie and that makes me sad. But that's not a good movie. But that said, I was watching it last night. I was like, I would rather watch this movie over like so many Oscar nominated films that are

a challenge like you know. Sure. It's fun to watch. It's just a fun. Like if anybody was like, do you want to watch burlesque right now? I will definitely always just be like, sure. Sure. It's not like it's hard to get through.

It should be probably a little bit shorter. It should be an hour and a half long. It should be at least 40 minutes shorter. Other than that, that's the only knock I have against it, honestly. You know, well, like. The script's terrible. Oh, and the script is just atrociously bad. What I do really love is the relationship that Cher and X-Tina did create together.

What I love is part of the reason why Cher said yes to doing this movie is because the casting director straight up told Cher that X-Tina said that she's so inspired by you that she would drink your bathwater. And Cher thought that was hilarious. And the first time that she saw her on set and they immediately bonded. Oh, awesome. X-Tina even said, Share definitely felt like my mama bear during shooting. In my experience of meeting and working with some of the greatest legends, the best ones usually are that way.

They look out for you in a real way, and it was an honor to work alongside Cher. Oh, that's nice. She's truly an incredible woman and a force of nature. I respect her talent, her no bullshit, genuine way of saying it as she sees it, making up her own rules and helping to pave the way for so many other women in generations to come. And I do appreciate that, of course, the years. the younger one probably would feel that way. But Cher felt the same way back with her

that she first met X-Tina on set with like her kid on her hip, completely down-dressed and Cher fell in love with her realness as well. And she, of course, is written in her twit speak, so it is all different kinds of caps. It says, about me and X-Tena. Didn't know her before, number four,

but she worked her ass off. She has my respect and a great deal of my love. I wanted to help her. In my heart, I think I did. And I'm yelling because it's all in caps. And we'll get to more of Cher's Twitter feed in a little bit. But yeah, it is, that's awesome to hear. And honestly, because I was so...

Because it's two huge people. Sometimes it doesn't work out very well. And X-Tina was at the top. I mean, she was... And I was expecting her to not be good in this movie at all. And she totally holds it down. We're going to do an X-Tina. Yes.

And yes, I only call her. She's not amazing. She's not spectacular. I think Cher is spectacular. I think Scar me too. She's spectacular. But A, her singing performance is spectacular. And she totally, but she is able to act across from them and she's not like just the... No, she's charming as fuck this movie. And I was really very pleasantly surprised. I was expecting to hate watch a movie last night to be quite honest with you. And I was actually like, I'm kind of into this. And also, boing, boing, my boner happy. Boner alert for less. So the film was written and directed by Steve

Anton who started out acting notably as the bad guy preppy jock from the Goonies. Remember when he's driving his fast car? Oh yeah. And the kids holding on to it. He's like stop, stop. It's that guy? Yes and he was also Jesse in the video for Jesse's girl. And he turned to writing in the 90s with the adaptation of the film Gloria and directing in the 2000s in the alts including music videos for and film including a doc about the group, the Pussy Cat Dolls.

And it was essentially a talk about them looking for their newest member to join or members to join, like the audition process. And of course, obviously, burlesque is based on that group's popularity. Anton's brother is the founder and his sister was a performer in the Pussy Cat Dolls. And I think that's why people might get confused when they see the name Berlask. And if they've ever been to a burlesque show, they're expecting one thing. And then you see what this show is. And it's totally, that's, that makes...

Yeah, what they're doing is not... They're doing Bolesk at all. Yeah. It's almost burlesque, but it's like sexy dance numbers. Burlesque generally involves, like, removing clothing. Removing clothing. It's usually a solo performance thing. There's, like, comedy elements.

Yeah. I think it's more sensual than it is flashy. Yeah. That's, I mean, I know that that's not obviously every burlesque performance, but that is, in my experience, I would say, the difference. I think it's more, like, it's more effective. seductive than just like, bam, hump, hump, thrust, thrust.

Jackie went from gripping her breasts to then. To humping the air. To then, hands in the air. Hands in the air. Hump, hump, hump, hump, hump, hop. That physical movement should describe it better than anything else. Yeah, so that, I think that is a part of why people are like, what the fuck.

But it makes so much more sense in the guise of like. But then also in the movie, she's like, this isn't too close to burlesque for me. I'm changing it to singing. Yes. I know what these people. They don't want just to see these sexy ass ladies fucking slamming it out in front of them. They want singing in the performances.

Honey, I should wash your mouth out with Yega Meister. And I will say, Christyagalera, especially in the beginning half hour of this movie, her character is extremely annoying. And is constantly telling them how their show should go. Yeah, she's fucking inappropriate with her boss. Yeah, they've clearly have a tenured performance act. Oh, I would kick her ass on the street. Are you kidding me? I mean, I get why Kristen Bell's kind of pissed about it.

Oh, yeah. I mean, she's been there for a while. That was an interesting part for her. I did not expect, that's like, yeah, I did not think Kristen Bell would be in that role. And then Lexis said she came up in musical theater, though, so maybe that explains it better. Like, she probably did stuff like Chicago. You don't usually see her in like pasties and stuff. Didn't she do the Charlie Brown musical, if I'm mistaken?

What? Was she Charlie Brown? No. You know what she wasn't, Deadwood. Yes, she was. Oh, was she in Deadwood? She was. She was like, I think one of her first big roles.

Whoa, I don't remember her in Deadwood. She was a young. Oh, okay. Oh my God, I'm the best. She was in Charlie Brown. Was she Charlie Brown? Yes, she was. Charlie Brown himself.

No. She shaved her head bald for the part. Wow. Yeah. Brave. Brave. Brave. Brave.

Also, shout out to Alan Cumming, who they clearly could only get for two scenes. That's fun. It looks like they took him from the cabaret set, put him, in a box, wheeled him in the box to set and he only sits in the box for the couple scenes you saw. It just didn't take his makeup off from the other set. A hundred percent.

We do need to talk about you haven't seen the last of me, which is Cher's big song in the middle of it. And it is a great, looking into the mirror of who her character is, but it was also written by a longtime collaborator of Shares, Diane Warren. And Diane Warren wrote this song

because she could see the similarity. of what Cher obviously must be feeling in her Twilight saga of being a share and how she must feel owning the burlesque studio. So this is the song that would go on to win the best original song in the 2011 Golden Globes. Now, apparently Anton wanted to remove the song from the film, but Cher was the one that went up against him to make sure it stayed in. and in her acceptance speech for the Golden Globe, Diane Warren thanked Cher for being an eternal badass who fought to get the song in the movie and keep the song in the movie, and Cher even released it as her first solo single since 2003s,

Love One Another. Now, Diane Warren went on to say, I got really inspired reading the script because that character is a lot like Cher. She's not a quitta. I rolled up my sleeves and wrote something really great. I wanted to write shares my way. When you think about Cher, she did do it her way, and she'll never go away.

She makes a joke herself that, at the end of the world, it'll be cockroaches and share. But I think she'll outlive the cockroaches. That's what I was aiming for. Thank you. And she was so pissed that burlesque did not, that the song did not go up for an Oscar as well. And she wrote in all caps, we didn't get a nomination for Best Song. That sucks. Diane's song is beautiful.

and also in all caps, the Golden Globe for Best Song and not even get nominated by the Oscars. Oh, well, it is what it is. The sun is still shining. So, a quick little note about, Perlissa, I thought this was kind of funny. This time, the difficult set wasn't due to any of the divas on the set.

It was due to the director and the president of screen gyms, which is the production company, because they happen to be boyfriends. Oh, no. Yeah, so Anton is the director, but Clint Cole Pepper also was on set at all times. It sounds like such an evil name. I know, right.

Coal Pepper. The producer, it's like, you might as well make a movie about the making a burlesque and the style of burlesque. You know what I mean? Watch a fuck out of it. Which would be hilarious. But yeah, so Clint Cole Pepper constantly fought with Anton over apparently just everything to the point there was a lot of screaming. At one point, coal pepper poured an iced tea on Anton's head, which caused him to fall into a rack of clothes.

And at one point, Cher just walked up to Clint, Colbert, said, Clint, I would like a calmer set. Come on, doesn't that add to the spice of the movie, just a man falling into clothes? I love this. Again, we should make this movie. We'll just call it like making of burlesque. It will just be, you'll play Cher, you'll play Garcia, Galleria, Natalie. And it'll be fantastic. But either way.

Don't call me, ma'am. You know, I got that, those fucking belting. Throat muscles. We'll just get someone to do that, you know. Sweet talker. Here I am. Oh my God, I thought she was here. There it is.

Yeah, she does sound a little like fat Albert. But I will say the big diva move for Cher. I love this. She brought in her own editor to edit her seeds because she was like, fuck this. That's a great diva move. I love her. She got Peter Horness who did work on the Fast and the Furious and the Harry Potter films. And she also got to do reshoots.

She herself requested. Yes. Which is so unheard of, by the way, in the movie making business. Like, there's no way would you ever be able to, A, bring in your own editor and B, request reshoots as completely insane. Bringing a whole production crew in and everything. I love everything. I love it. But also, this is so sweet.

Apparently, she was super kind on set. And according to one member of the crew, Cher gave almost everybody a rap gift. There's a thoughtful sense of otherness with Cher. She knows that lots of people are responsible for. for making her successful, which I thought was really cool. And yeah, she apparently, though, as you said before, not happy with the final product, and therefore apparently did not promote it as well.

I think that's kind of her way of turning her back on something that she's not super into. She just kind of was light on promotion, but she did have some success with those songs. But either way, now we move into a couple more fun little tidbits and mainly the Cher show and her relationship with Bob Mackie. I will say before we get into that, she gets her hands and feet immortalized on the Hollywood Walk of Fame in 2010. She released her 25th studio album in 2013 called Closer to the Truth.

She went on her Dress to Kill tour in 2014, so no farewell, which included 49 sold-out shows in North America, but had to cancel dates after that due to an infection. This is my favorite tidbit. I forgot all about this. She collaborated with the Wu-Tang Clan on their album Once Upon a Time in Shaolin. I love that she's credited as Bonnie Joe Mason, which was one of the original names that she went under. And that was the Wu-Tang album, that there was only one copy made of it. It is the most expensive single album. Is that the Martin Scrowly one?

Yes. Which I did make it back from him, though. I think so. But I also love that Cher never commented on it, never openly confirmed that she was a part of it because this was part of keeping the guys. but she did tweet out Wootang Share Clan. I love it. That is the coolest. That is the fucking coolest shit ever.

The confirmation of pun or anything. But I like. The confirmation Wootang Share Clan. I am dying to hear this song now. Yes. And the whole album, obviously, I've always been fascinated with that album. But that is so cool.

Well, that's the job of a fucking idiot super villain like March Screlli's. Just deprive everybody of anything for them. Of course. Yes. But we'll do an episode on him soon. Ew, y'all. Yuck forever. And the last thing I have is her three-year residency in Vegas open in 2017 called Classic Share.

I'm sure that that got stopped due to COVID. Can we talk about it? I love how much it sounds like the shit show. Can we talk about the Share Show? It doesn't sound like the shit, Jordan. I hate that for us. No, this is where we're talking about the Share Show. It does jump ahead a little bit to 2018.

However, I'm here to talk about if one. One man can be credited to helping guide the flamboyant style of Cher. It's Bob Mackey. So you just brought up the dress to kill tour. That was around a time period when Cher and Bob Mackie actually had a falling out because he was too busy to do the costumes for it. And he has done most of her costumes since the beginning of Cher. And she was pissed off about it.

But don't worry. They made up in time to work together to, uh, create the style for the Cher show, where Bob Mackey also is a character in the Broadway show. So that was in 2018. The musical shows three stages of Cher's life and uses three actresses to portray her. I love the names of them. And this makes sense. We should have referred to all three of our parts of the show as Babe, Lady, and Star.

And I love the, like, it really does show how she grew in her own career. But let's start at the beginning of when Bob Mackey first met Cher, which was on the set of the Carol Burnett show that Mackie was the costume. We mentioned that in that episode. One of his big classic ones for that was her giant curtain dress. Yes. Yeah, that was a Bob Mackey original. Oh, my God. Fantastic.

I mean, come on. Carol Burnett Show is fantastic for serving up fucking look. Oh, yeah. And that was all Bob McKeough. Mackey, and they were both in their 20s at the time. And Bob Mackey says, one of his mantras is, I make clothes for the woman who is not afraid to be noticed. When we design the costumes for Cher, it has nothing to do with fashion. It has nothing to do with anything but the fact that we are attempting to present to the world this creature in her own right. Share says, Bob changed my

entire life. Without him, I would have been a peacock without feathers. So in 1967, Bob Mackey and Cher met when Sonny and she were guests on the Carol Burnett show. He says, when I met Cher, I don't know, I just thought she was the cutest thing ever. And then I looked at her figure. And I mean, I thought, oh my goodness, she's like a model. She's so beautiful and so unusual. And so that's kind of how it started. The producers didn't know what to do with Cher.

And I said, she could be anything. She doesn't look like all the blonde girls with the beehive hairdos and the flips that are out here now. she's a whole different kind of a girl and she could be anything. She started appearing in wearing cut of you know slinky clothes because her body was perfect and she could wear anything. You could expose practically anything.

It was amazing. So we just started doing crazy stuff on her. When I first started doing Cher, these Starlets were coming out of the woodwork. They'd want me to do a dress something like Shares and I'd just say, you're not Cher. As a designer, I tried to be part of the production, come up with ideas and it worked.

I must say she's still doing. doing it. She's still wearing her warrior goddess outfits right and left. Love it. So it's crazy. They met. She was 19 years old and she met someone that saw her as a muse. And then it really wasn't, it wasn't yucky. It was something that they just created this beautiful over her entire career friendship. And one of the things that they really got along together with is that Cher says Bob and I are both perfectionists when it comes to fit. We're never satisfied until every inch is perfect. And then Mackey said,

one of our rules and tenets of doing things, especially for people like Cher, is it can be camp and it can be large flowers and wonderful things, but it must be beautifully made. It's no good if it's casually made. All the things we've made for Share over the years

are all hand-enbroidered, beaded whatever, wonderful pieces that look gorgeous in the hand as well as on the body. The gap, go fuck yourself. Go fuck yourself. And I love it. too because Bob Baggie, he always would be upset when he said somebody said she was like my very own Barbie doll. But Cher is different than that. All of a sudden, every girl that had a good

size nose and dark hair, they had somebody to idolize. There hasn't been a girl like Cher since Dietrich or Garbo. She's a high fashion star who appeals to people of all ages. She can stand there in the wildest garb and get away with it. She's a sense of humor about her clothes as well as a sexy, glamorous feeling. It's a good influence. I just love their relationship. I'm not even getting into any, please look up if you just put in Sherrod Bob Mackey, the insane costumes that he has created for her. For all of her most iconic looks, it's all Bob Mackey. I mean, it's definitely undeniable that he gave her an edge in the film world and in popular culture. She's incredible on her own, but I think it really shot her into the stratosphere that have those

outfits. He did that wild Oscar look too, right? Which was in itself this massive statement against the academy, this kind of big fuck you to the Academy Awards. It was a tiny two piece in a way that influenced everything. Yeah.

It's just so beautiful. And so that is why Bob Mackey is a full character in her career in life in the Broadway show, the Cher show. So Stephanie J. Block, who was the lead actress in it,

won the Tony for the Share Show. And Bob Mackey won the Tony for costume design for a musical. That was in 2018. this shit's still going on that they've been working together her entire life.

How do you recreate something? That's why she was so pissed at the dress for guilt. She's like, who's going to design for me? You're the one that designs for me. But that's also a diva thing because he's a very busy man. Yep.

And I just really, I get really excited about those kind of collaborators that it had really nothing to do with like he wasn't using her and she wasn't using him. They elevated each other. And that's a beautiful thing to see. When you get excited about it, you ever go,

Mama Mia! Always! And then I go, here I come again. Here we go. Oh my goodness. All right. She's splashing it out right now. That was a flawless segue. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Well, thank you so much. Here we go again, right? But I'll take it. She did. You's apologize. Thank you. Thank you. She did the sequel to Mama Mia, of course. She comes in right at the end.

She hilariously plays Merrill Streep's characters, Maril Streep's character's mother and Sophie's grandmother, even though she is three years older than Meryl Streep. Yes, and I love it too. Apparently, she and Meryl Streep, which, of course, we talked about this last episode, we're good friends. And they both thought it was hilarious that she was playing her mother. And I appreciate that because you think of two divas that they'd be like,

I'm not her mother, I'm not playing her mother. And if there's one thing that I feel like, even though Cher had all the plastic surgery and everything, I do feel that she owns being a powerful older woman. Sure. And writer-director O. Parker explained this whole situation by saying, share exists outside of time. She does.

Jackie, I'd play your mother in a movie. Would you? Oh, my God. You do look just like Linda. I think that's, should I tell that to Henry? Yeah, yeah. Oh, God. They have the same tattoos, everything.

Yes, yeah, yeah. Actually, it's kind of nice. I don't think you could look any further from my mother or me. So it really works out great. I'll still play your mom. Okay, great. I do just love how thrilled everybody was to see Cher in the movie, but also the cast. Colin Firth even said, the anticipation that we were going to meet Cher made the air crackle.

I actually wonder what it felt like for her because we were all rather all-struck. And of course, she steals the show with her performance of the song. It just comes in and she just goes, Grandma! And she saw it. I did it. I read, by the way, go, I forget the website. was, but if you just look up a Mamma Mia Share review. One

hilarious writer just wrote a review of her in Mamma Mia. Here we go again and disregarded the whole rest of the movie. And literally like the very first paragraph, it's just a picture of her foot because that's the first thing you see. And it's like all of a sudden the film opens up with the sight of

just the mere image of Cher's foot. Coming into this, it's so funny. But either way, she does kill it with her performance of song. Fernando and Fernando and she also did personally ask when they said you will have a love interest in it and she goes, who is it? And they said Andy Garcia and she was very excited about it. So she was completely into Andy Garcia.

But this, all of this is a bit of a shock because Cher was very open about the fact that she didn't like Abba. After my own heart. He doesn't like Abba. I was a surprise that you said that, but B, I also do not like. Abba. She doesn't like the music or she doesn't like the people. This is the thing. So both Abba and Sonny and Cher ended because of divorce. Despite this, the goddess of pop told Entertainment Tonight she wasn't much of a fan of the Swedish quartet. She says, I wasn't a big fan of Abba in the 70s. Benny Anderson took the girls

and used them like instruments. She saw a similarity between this situation and her own career. Sonny used to do that to me. He would carve out a place for them in the songs and they would fit in that little place. But he didn't give them space to sing the way they might have wanted to. So her real difficulty with the group was knowing that Benny Anderson

took advantage of the women in the group and that it was a very contentious group. So she didn't say anything about not liking the music. So I do feel that it is part of her gaining her own feelings back that when she went in to record Fernando for the movie, she also recorded a separate version of Fernando for her Abba covers album, which she then releases after Mamma Me. Here we go again. I will say to Bjorn Olveyas of Abba. It was quoted to say she makes Fernando her own. It's her song now. They gave it over to, and Benny Anderson also said

she's a wonderful storyteller she can have that. We went to the Abba Museum in Stockholm because does Stockholm have an Abba Museum? Yes, it does. And it is this, their story's creepy and kind of weird and it's a little disquieting. But my question is where is the Share Museum because I'll go to that. Oh, yeah. Oh, yes, hands down. Well, I think, but she does either donate her clothes for charity or sells them for charity.

so I don't even know what they would include. So there's just a bunch of homeless people walking around and shares cost. No, I think it's a bunch of rich assholes. But also they take that money and put it into one of her, which we will get to, many organizations that she runs. Yes, we definitely have some more stuff to cover for sure. But either way, Dancing Queen is the A By Cover album that was released in 2018. We're starting to catch up to this year of our Lord 2021 year.

It's starting to happen. And also the Cher show, by the way, the Jukebox musical we already talked about, that did, it got a decent run on Broadway and it was supposed to get a touring production, but that was postponed due to COVID. So hopefully we'll all get to see it in a town near us eventually, maybe in 2022. That would be very exciting. I would definitely go check that out. Oh my God, yes. Shall we speak upon Sharon Chaz? Yes, I would love that because I actually really was.

I wanted to know more about their relationship because it always surprised me that Cher was so vocally against Chaz originally as coming out as a lesbian, as well as Chaz revealing publicly that he is transgender. And Cher is an avid supporter of the LGBTQ plus community. and it was, I think, weird for the public as well. And I never really understood until I really started looking into this. So Chaz elaborated, and Chaz is also very vocal about the relationship between him and his mother and how it has changed over the years. He says, my mother is a gay icon. Yet she wasn't over the moon when I came out as a lesbian in 1995. I wasn't surprised by her reaction.

In fact, I knew it was going to be bad. Chaz explained why Cher reacted by throwing him out of the house and said, partly due to the fact that everybody else knew and she didn't. She felt hurt. Her feelings got hurt and she was unhappy that I was gay. A big part of it, I think, is that she felt foolish that everybody else knew. And I think that that is an interesting part of obviously we don't get into, shares obvious issues, mental illness problems that she has to deal with.

As a diva, how are you not narcissistic? Right. How do you not at least show those tendencies? And that makes a lot, that alone makes so much sense of she was the last one to find out. Yeah. And she was more upset originally that Chaz told the public before he had a conversation with her about it. And that's what she was more openly upset about. That alone makes so much sense.

But I like that she owns it and I like that she also, she's just so who she is that she even corrects reporters when they say like, and then you accepted Chaz. And she's just like, no, actually. She said, look, I didn't handle Chaz's coming out all that well in the beginning. It took me a minute because you've been with a child for 40 years and then all of a sudden it changes. And what I think is there's such a fear of losing the child you love and what will replace that child.

And I totally understand that. But I also like that she owns it. She could have just kept her mouth shut when people in interviews, right? And just been like, yeah, I was such a number one about it. I was so great about it. And instead, she does, I appreciate adding that to the conversation. conversation, especially in a social landscape where it feels like everybody needs to immediately follow these unwritten rules and immediately be this type of person. And sometimes it takes

people a second to come around and open up and that's okay too, as long as they can come around. And also acknowledging that people have the right to change and they can learn and grow and that you don't have to bury them forever because they didn't understand something a long time ago. And Chas and Chald, I mean, yes. They worked on their relationship as well. And that's part of how their relationship has changed over time Is that Chaz really realized that Cher only gained respect and admiration for him Because he said, fuck what you think I need to be

I'm gonna go be me and live my life better for myself Yeah, and that's what Cher completely respects And just immediately saw how much happier Chaz was As a man, Cher said, it's like I woke up in the morning And I wasn't me anymore, and I did, didn't feel like me and I couldn't be me. I would just be beyond grief-stricken. And that's what I have to tell a mother or father.

You are who you are, but how would you feel if you were someone else and you couldn't be that someone else? That's how I had to get it. And I think it's a great way to put the whole trans situation. It's actually similar to a conversation that I've had with my own mother where she is, my mom has really been trying to understand the idea behind, because she's 70 years old. Yeah. The idea of what transgender people feel and what they go through.

And it made me think of Cher where Cher's like, I've just always known I was a woman. And I didn't understand how someone else could feel differently. But who am I to put that on him? Who am I to say what I need you to be? And I do love that, like you said, Holden, it's a part of the conversation that it should be. Yeah.

Because older people, it is difficult. It doesn't mean that she's forever going to. to be against it. She's allowed to struggle with the fact and to learn because again, this was 10 years ago, which was more of a new public thing that people were actually accepting and talking about, which is sad that it wasn't

that long ago. No, it really was a long ago. But I will say, unfortunately in 2021, just a few weeks ago, she did storm the Capitol building and it is very, no, I'm just kidding, she's stressed. You know, she said since then she's really learned a lot, She's grown.

She's in jail now. No, no, she actually is hilariously, she has some really great, I didn't write any of them down, but she has great opinions about our former president. Very upset. She was very upset. Very outspokenly upset, I will say. And I agree with pretty much everything she says about that. And speaking of that, let's get into her Twitter.

So I feel like Cher was doing the thing before Dionne Warwick, beyond, before like, you know, Chrissy Teigen, before these big, like, Twitter phenomenon people, she really was the first person that was like this big celebrity. I mean, I'm sure there were others at the time, but this big celebrity that was just so funny on Twitter and just completely figured out how to work this new type of media because she's share. She's a funny person.

Yeah, she's a funny person. She is who she is. And she just knows how to work with the sea changes of media so fucking well as flabercats. Even though everything is in caps, but I think it's very funny. I think it works. The New York Times writer, Jenna Worth, commended share on her social media usage, saying most celebrity social media feeds feel painfully self-aware and thirsty. In her own way, share is an outlier. Perhaps the last unconstructed

high-profile Twitter user just stand at her digital pulpit and yell somewhat incomprehensibly and be rewarded for it. Online authenticity and originality are often carefully curated myths. Share thrives on a version of nakedness and honesty that is rarely sell. celebrated in the public eye. I mean, and sometimes she writes things like something is, space, space, space, space, a miss, space, space, space with iPad. And that is a tweet of hers. This is starting back in 2015. That's why I say she's kind of an OG.

This is starting in 2012. Oh, wow. That's 2012. She wrote the tweet, what's going on with my career, my career one word, August 18th, 2012. I love. Someone posted a picture. So mysterious. So I posted a picture from an old magazine shoot asking her when it was taken, and she replied,

When Dinosaurs roamed the Earth. She also talks about her love of cake. And as I said, hilariously knocks our former president. And of course, a big supporter of animal rights and gets a lot of that information out through Twitter, which I super appreciate. But then sometimes she just writes, oh shit, gummy bears, fuck. And we talked about this in our live show when we got it. into the rift between Cher and Madonna.

I loved it when she just wrote WTF is MDMA and then I forgot about yes and she was which is Madonna's current album and then she continued to write I got a colonic

how did you celebrate Madonna's birthday Dude that got such big I forgot about this cute that got such big laughs in our live show too like what just WTF's MDMA was such a good WDF is MDMA But then it's just breaking news emoji.

I'm being buried in my fish nets. I'm yelling all of this because they're all in capitals. iPad freezing up. Maybe it's overwhelmed. Maybe it just realized a fabulous diva was touching it. Can't really blame it. Snap out of it. This is also another one.

Just because I can't spell or no grammar doesn't mean I don't know many things. History, ancient religion, war could go on, but I'd be a pain. She's like, she's like, good Trump. She's like, she is. She has similar syntax, but it's way funnier and not shit at all. Not as destructive to society. Yeah, not just a weapon against society. Someone tweeted at her all in caps, why are you always yelling?

And she responded, I'm not yelling, I'm Cher. And Cher is also an incredible philanthropist. There's so many things she's done. Jackie, I just want you to read her tweets on, like, Patriot or something. While we do philanthropy, because it is technically a little more boring, if you want to just pop tweets in there. Oh, sure, sure, sure, sure. So back in 1990, after playing the mother of Rocky Dennis and Mask, she became a national chairperson, an honorary spokesperson for the children's craniofacial association. She plans annual retreats for families of children with these facial conditions, which have taken place all over the U.S.

It's a way for them to just get together, to share, you know. Just cleaned glasses, drawers. She also, it's crazy because I, again, in looking through all of this stuff, didn't realize how much Cher is a philanthropist and doesn't really bring it up that much. Down to the fact when she did suspect, this is from last weeks or the last episode, Merrill Street was also had a huge commitment to environmental causes. And so while she was doing suspect in Washington, D.C., share created a friendship with. with homeless activist Mitch Snyder, down to the point that she took time off from her tour to attend his funeral

after he committed suicide, but he was working to help, she was working to help the homeless situation while working in the places that she goes to. And during the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, she campaigned to raise money for helmet liners to reduce brain injuries suffered by U.S. troops. In 2007, Cher became the primary supporter

of the Peace Village School in Uganda, Kenya, which provides nutritious food, medical care, education, and extracurricular activities for more than 300 orphans and vulnerable children. Since her father is Armenian, she traveled to the war-torn country in 1993, where she distributed medical supplies, books and toys, met with the president there, all that good stuff. Of course, being the gay icon, she is, she has fought hard against AIDS as part of the group Keep a Child Alive, which provides medicine to children and families of HIV AIDS.

big outspoken person from the very beginning of that. And for her birthday back in 2004, she had her tour group raised and donate money to Habitat for Humanity. And she visited the construction site and met with the family she gave a home to, which is very sweet. And she did tweet in all caps about that as well. Can anyone see me? She donated 180,000 bottles of drinking water to Flint, Michigan during the water crisis.

That's still happening currently? Oh, yeah. Yeah, I know, right? It's like that's still a thing, right? And most recently she fought for the resettlement of, is it, Kavana? Kavana. But also, it's not even just fun. She created an entire international animal rights campaign called Free the Wild in 2017.

And she released it at the One Young World Summit in Bogota. So the campaign focuses on freeing animals kept in captivity or transferring them to better equipped zoos. She is working hands on traveling around the world during the Parenthood. during the pandemic. She was in Cambodia. She carrying the lions and stuff herself? Yeah. I mean, she's like up with that elephant for sure.

Well, it's because the thing is that they said that like, okay, sure, sure, we'll take the money. We'll rehouse the loan. They referred to as the Lonely elephant. She fucking went there. Yeah. And made sure that it happened. So this is, she's, I remember I think I made a joke in page seven in one of the

articles I sent out. I was like, oh, great, there's all this stuff going on. But don't worry. Shares saving elephants. But shares saving elephants. You know, it's like she is doing Because elephants are amazing. They are and she's just, she goes to her

Twitter feed to learn about new things that need to be dealt with And she said, she said that Working with these animals is one of her biggest pleasures. And she said, kids on my Twitter tell me about everything. They tell me about things that are bothering them and they see if it bothers me. People are

hurting in major ways in my country and all over the world. If a problem comes to you and you can do something about it, you just must, you know? we have fame, we have money. It's what we should be doing. And so it's not just she just like gives it out. She's hands on.

And these are just some of the things that she has done throughout her career. She's been working and donating money, but it's part of the reason why I think that she has struggled with money issues again and again and reinventing herself is that she is not one to just sit on her stuff. She is trying to help other people. She does what she can. What else is the point of having the money? It's just, I love that.

And that's how she truly feels. And I think that there's something very admirable about that. And I know that obviously she could be doing more, but I appreciate the fact that she is, you know, it's like in the same way that we talk about Dolly Parton. That they don't have to do these things, but they choose to do these things. And I, like, thank you, Cher.

The Share cares pandemic resource and response initiative most recently with COVID. The initial plan was to distribute a million dollars to, quote, chronically neglected and forgotten people, in quote, during the pandemic. has since pushed to get more money out there to those in need. And yeah, so she's currently working with Free the Wild to help free Billy the elephant

in the LA Zoo. Hey, it's me, Billy! He said he's been here. He's been by himself for 18 years and he just rocks. She says he's had a nervous breakdown. And she said, elephants are very much like us, even though it's hard to think of it that way. They have families and they

cry and they're just lovely. And I was fighting. And dolphins rape. They were. They do. Well, that's why she's not helping the dolphins. She's helping the goddamn elephant. Wait, it's at the LA Zoo? Yes. I thought the LA Zoo was like halfway decent. I think that they are, but in this case, they have the loneliest

elephant. So she's fighting with the LA Zoo currently, and they were lying and now they're having a hard time, and it looks like they might have a chance of saving Billy the elephant. And Cher herself is the one that is working on those things. Also, I love this quote because it's

so refreshing. I mean, Jackie, I think, can commiserate with me on this, how obnoxious celebrities have been through the pandemic and the way that they, you know, Ellen's saying she feels like she's in a prison in her giant mansion. This is a quote from Cher about the pandemic. For me, it's not a hardship. It's incredibly easy and I don't feel like I'm suffering in any kind of way. Be open about it. My friends come over and look in the window so I can see them.

One of my kids, her son Elijah, who's 43, lives here with his wife and I talk to my mom on the phone or go see her through her back window. for once a celebrity is literally saying it's actually not that bad because I understand how good I have it. And if I was Sheriff's kid, I would live in her mansion. Yeah, totally. I just stay there. Yeah. Fantastic. I have some quotes to finish out.

No more factoid from me. Jackie, do you have any big, you know, kind of knowledge bits to throw at us before we close this out with some fun quotes? I just feel like there was one other thing that I wanted to say and then I shelved it. And I was like, oh, I'll come back to that. Well, you can say the breasts on my back quote. You haven't done that one yet. I haven't done that one yet. There was just one other thing.

I fucking forget. Forget. I forget. Oh, continue. Was it about burlesque too? I wish. I fucking wish. Who knew this was burlesque?

Who knew that anyone would want to watch it again? Honestly, though, if you haven't seen burlesque and you just want a good old dumb musical time, just you can't do a lot worse. No, it's fun. It's very fun. It's very fun. like the guy who kidnaps her and he makes it cute. And then they call each other slut slut.

But it's all a good fun. All that good stuff. God, I love art in any form. Gotta go take a bath. So when asked to clarify a comment she made in the past, she made this comment, a man is not a necessity. A man is a luxury. I love it.

She said, my mom said to me, you know, sweetheart, one day you should settle down and marry a rich man, share recalls. I said, Mom, I am a rich man. Rich man. Do you want to do the plastic surgery quote?

If I want to put my tits on my back, that's nobody's business but my own. Sing it out, Sarah. About her, she said she's like really, her voice has changed through the years, but she's worked so hard to preserve it and keep it. She said, I've worked my whole life to keep my strength

in my body. There are 20-year-old girls who can't do what I do. Damn straight, and how does she do it? She says she only drinks soda. but she has no other caffeine besides it, no drinking, no drugs. She works out every day. She stays hydrated.

That's how she says the key to everlasting. But she loves a Dr. Pepper. She's a while. I'm pretty much out then because I need wine to survive. You're close to that, Natalie. I drink a lot of wine, wine. Either way, it's better than IPAs, which I am currently addicted to.

She also said, these are my last couple of quotes, and I do love them as I think it sums up. up just how great she is. She said, I love standing on the stage and singing. The feeling you have in your body when you sing, it's big, no matter how small you are. You just feel like you can fill everything, and I pretty much can. And when asked what gives her the most pleasure in life, she said, making people happy. It sounds corny, but I mean it.

I love being able to take an audience and move them to a different place. I love that. I love that it's done. I'm sad that it's done. I love Cher. TVD, we can probably do Share Forks. She's going to have a whole other transformation. Probably.

Seriously. The Britney Spears episode, I was like, release me from this. Yes. But that was so tragic. Yeah. This is so fun. I mean, just to get to sit down and watch,

you know, mask and burlesque and mermaids. So many great pieces. Like tea from Mussolini. Don't you dare. Maggie Smith first. Either way, but I guess there's no songs in that song.

You know what. Fascist. Italy. I don't know, Mussolini, but either way. So many great songs, so many great albums to go back to. We hope you've enjoyed walking through this memory lane with us.

Check out all of her stuff on Spotify. Oh, my. It's so good. Spotify is so important to support. I'm very proud of her. I'm proud that she, I say no egot loophole. Egot, EGOT. She got EGOT.

She got egot, and I think she actually could potentially still get a true egot if she so wanted to. She just has to walk out onto a Broadway. She just needs to say, that's it. If she gets an egot and she has that musical, there has to be a new term for it. Yeah. Like an official term. Igot tot. Igot it.

It got it. I got it. All right, I'm brain dead. I think we've covered it. Thank you so much, everybody, for joining us for our share series, three parts. Come to Belize. And welcome to the rest of your lives. You're released from Cher, but we hope that...

Don't ever be fully released. You'll never be fully released. It's like a snake. She is like a snake, but in a good way, because snakes are cool. Snakes are rad. I love them. Even though my wife is morally terrified of them. I love them, too.

It's so frustrating. I would totally have a snake. All right, we gotta get out of your own. We love you guys. Thank you for listening. Check us out. Patreon.com forward slash page seven podcast. Check me out on Twitch.tv.

forward slash hold nater's ho. Jackie. I'm Jackie Zabrowski. You can follow me at Jack that word on Instagram. Natalie. I'm the daddy gene on all the stuff and I got a new show coming out this month called Someplace Underneath. So keep an eyeball peel.

Get out your balls. Check it out. Awesome dude. And we'll be back real soon with more. Pop, pop history. Pop history. This show is made possible by listeners like Thank you. Thanks to our ad sponsors. You can support our shows by supporting them. For more shows like the one you just listened to, go to lastpodcastnetwork.com.