Page 7 - Pop History: The Razzies

Episode Date: January 5, 2021

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week of the Oscars. And yes, you would expect us to do a good movie. Yes, you would expect us to maybe do a Titanic, maybe slap a Ben Her on it. Go and kiss yourself for us, will you? Because hell no, we are doing the Razies this week. Because the Razies is also the week of the Oscars. And you know what? I learned a lot of fun things about a lot of what John Waters would call bad trash this week. Yes, Jacqueline Zabrowski. This is Holden McNeill. here to also talk about the Golden Raspberry Awards, a parody award show honoring the worst films of the year or cinematic underachievements, as they put it,

a necessary evil, I think. Ladies and gentlemen, because there's something about a wonderfully bad film that we can all get behind. I mean, honestly, my whole 2019, I feel like was bookended by the glorious disaster that was the Cats film. Oh, yes.

And one of my most memorable movie theater experiences ever. Was it little women? No, I love the movie. Was it seeing the Star Wars movies? I mean, parasite also? Yeah, totally. But in terms of memorable movie theater experiences, in terms of ones I'll never forget,

I'm going to have to go with dressing like a dog, eating enough edibles to kill God, and seeing cats in the movie theater. Natalie Jean, do you concur? I am Natalie Jean, so I'm. I do concur. And, yeah, I do think as well as what you were just saying about John Waters, there is a very fine line sometimes between what is good and what is very bad.

And as Henry was saying, when we were watching one of the movies we are going to talk about, it's about two clicks away from David Lynch. Yeah. That is the insane part of the official. We just watched all of John Waters over the past week. and it is such a vast difference. I almost said vast deference as a joke. It is a vast deference.

Because sitting and watching these movies and going through, because I've always heard about the Razies before. I remember I was really, my attention was truly brought to the Razies when the emoji movie won because I was like, of course it won the Razies because I just assumed that the Razies were just giving it like,

oh, this is the worst one. that they did this year. But they pick and choose some movies that I would say I don't agree with. It's not all just like the worst garbage you can watch on a screen. Although I will say I'm excited because as you guys will find out, they announced the nominations, the day of the Razzies. So we don't know this year. Or the day of the Oscars?

No, the day of the day of the, no, it's the night before the Oscars. Ah, yes, yes. So we do not know who's up. But come on. I can't wait. You guys are you going to be up for so many of the cats definitely. I'm assuming that the fanatic is going to be up for at least a couple of things. I hope so.

The fanatic deserves it. And I'm saying this as a compliment because if you get nominated for the Razies, at least you didn't make something boring. A hundred percent. Yes. And none of the things that I watched for this week, I would say were boring. I was definitely paying attention. And most of the time paying attention going, why would they ever do this?

Right. There was a lot of, I wouldn't say boring. I would say jarring. I would say repulsive. And definitely there were choices. There were some. I won't get into, of course, I think we're dancing around. I know who killed me as one of the films.

But especially that one, there were choices in that film that actively felt like they were trying to drive me away from the movie. You know what I mean? There were like literally like things in there that was like, wow, this feels like they actually want me to not be watching this right now. I dare yet. I dare you to keep watching it. Yes. That takes talent. Which I can appreciate.

I can appreciate it. I can definitely approve of that. I saw that in the second year of the Razzies that Mommy Dearest won a bunch of Razzies, which, as someone that loved that movie, I took offense to. So I understand why some of Hollywood, not even just Hollywood, I would say most of Hollywood, as well as critics. And anyone that is anybody, I'm going to say 70% of the population goes online. to be like, fuck you, Razies, for shitting on people that are trying to make art. You look me in the eye, Adam Sandler, and you tell me that you didn't know what you were doing when you made Jack and Jill.

You knew exactly what you were doing when you made Jack and Jill. So don't get me this shit of that, like, you think that this was supposed to be art, that you were, look at it in the way that John Waters looked at his early movies. They were having fun. And I know. I know that the member, that the people on set of Jack and Jill, Al Pacino had a great time in that movie. Right. I fucking respect the shit out of Adam Sandler, not only because he's made some movies that I love, but he will take an entire movie plot, figure out where he wants to go on vacation and just make the story about that place and then they go.

And he gets millions of dollars to do it. Fucking genius. But obviously, I don't think he's one of the ones who complains about the Razzie, is he? I think he's been on there a couple times. I think he was also nominated for Stuff for That's My Boy, which has a very graphic incest sex scene in it, which is all you really need to know about it. I did not have the pleasure of watching That's My Boy. It is a comedy, though, correct? Yeah.

You know, this brings up a good point, too, that, first of all, I love watching stuffy Hollywood people get stuffed by, you know, things like the Razzie. But also, the bad film has been celebrated by film buffs for many a year. It helps us to, I think, make fun of this thing that we also hold up to such a high regard so that we never take ourselves too seriously. And it does beg the question, you know, we talk about the idea of the gush when we talk about, you know, these things that we cover in pop history and things like that. For me, I guess my question, I want to ask you guys, what was that first film that you actively watched in order to make fun of it, to laugh at it. Of course, the room happened during

our lifespan and that definitely was, I think maybe troll two, which is hilarious because I actually actively love, I really loved troll too as a child. I saw it when I was in the mountains, uh, on a stay with my parents and I had a friend with me. And we actually really enjoyed troll two legitimately as children and then later found out that it was a fucking terrible shit show. Um, I remember having movie theater experiences of films that I felt were terrible. In hindsight, I have, you know, my Nell story that I've told, where I was on it, you know, I decided to take a girl on a date to see Nell and try to put my arm around her and she leaned forward until I took it away. And I think we were in the front row. I mean, there were a lot of things that made that experience particularly

fucking vile for me and now laughable and hilarious in hindsight. Were there films that you got together with people and watched? I mean, I know that we have a bit of a horror been. And I do definitely remember Jason X being a movie that I delighted in its terribleness, but also it legitimately got me like the slamming of the sleeping bags. Oh, yeah, yeah. The people on the sleeping bags against the tree or whatever. That's a fun death. Yeah.

Yeah, I would say that about the horror movie house when I was a teenager. Oh, yes. We watched it and we made fun of it, and I fucking hated that movie. and then as an adult, I've watched it, and I have a full, I've gone full circle on it where I love, I think that movie's fucking wonderful. I think it's really well done. The effects are great.

I get the irony side of it more. So I'm not, you know, putting down house at all. But yeah, I think that was one of the earliest movies I remember watching and for kind of making fun of it. Yeah. Well, I know the most recent one we did, and this was on Natalie and Hattley and Henry's recommendation was watching Silent Night Deadly Night Part 2 that is on Shudder. And it is one of the funniest horror movies I've ever seen where they took, I believe that,

because we watched the Joe Bob Briggs version of it, I believe that 46 minutes of the hour and 20 minute long movie was actual footage from the first movie that they re-put into the second side of the movie. And it is hilarious. And I mean, there's, what, nine boobies in it. And it's everything that you want in a schlocky Christmas movie. And now I'm going to force everyone to watch Jack and Jill every year on Thanksgiving. Because I don't know if you can know this, but it's a Thanksgiving movie.

And you're going to watch it every year on Thanksgiving. Oh, okay. You are my family and you have to. I definitely remember loving the Batman films and watching Batman and Robin by myself. after renting it from Blockbuster. And that, I think, was one of the first times that I realized something could be bad, that my childhood.

But that made me sad. I was just saddened by that. It didn't make me laugh. And I remember how many times I first saw my girl. I saw it because I was huge. I loved my girl. I loved my girl. Wonderful.

And then all of my friends made fun of the scene, which is why I think I still make jokes about it, about the, he can't see without his glasses. is, and I would watch it with my friends. What sociopaths were you hanging out with? I know it. And they eventually became my druggy friends. Are we shocked?

No. Making fun of My Girl is the gateway drug to drugs. Seriously. And so then I would also make fun of it because I thought that I was like, oh, everyone thinks that this movie is shocking and it's not good. You know what? I'm here to say as an adult and with confidence that I like My Girl. And I think it's a good movie.

I also love My Girl too. I know it. with a handsome McLonghair. And we're basically living it out now because we're in Los Angeles. Yeah, but you guys need to have a funeral home between this and six feet under. What are we doing with our lives? But it really was the room that I think blew the doors open when it came to celebrating and really getting out there and supporting a bad movie in the theater.

I remember getting a hold of that with some friends of mine in the apartment I lived before this apartment. I currently live in now that Ben Kistel still lives in. I remember we was living with Jason Kephart. We had heard about how fucking greatly terrible this movie was. And we were, we had, I remember we just howling with laughter and just loving that experience. And so, yeah, I mean, you know, and then this week, you know, you guys tortured me with forcing me to watch. I know who killed me and Catwoman. And I didn't realize that actually it was Jack and Jill that fully swept the Razies.

We'll talk about some of them. Every single award. We'll talk about some of the more famous winners. I did not see Jack and Jill this week, and I feel like I'm doing a disservice for our listeners because of it. But you guys watched Jack and Jill? Jackie did. I watched The Color of Night, which was a 90s movie that got on there,

which I thoroughly, thoroughly enjoyed. No, I did Jack and Jill, but I will say that I thought that Jeff was going to leave me because I woke him up while watching Jack and Jill, like, in the morning. And I've never seen, if you want to get your partner out of bed really fast, put Jack and Jill on in the bedroom. It's a good idea for a modern alarm clock. It is. I've never seen him get the shower so fast.

So, yeah, I think it's definitely a necessary evil, the Razies. I had so much fun learning about the history. I was shocked when you said to me, Jackie, that we are upon our 40th Razzie Award ceremony. And this is the first year that it's going to be televised. 40 years of it. Again, I feel like we've heard about, I've always had like the Razies in the back of my head, but I've never looked at the Razies before. Right.

Because it was just something that this dude lived in his living room. Yeah, but you guys remember this? Do you remember from childhood? I have memories of the Razies vaguely from my entire life pretty much. Really? I first, I really didn't know that they went back that far. And I first became aware of them while working at my terrible office job. desperate to find things to enjoy hating.

And the Razies, I came upon and I was like, oh, this makes sense. And of course, Hallie Berry's acceptance speech, I think that's kind of how I found it. Maybe it was on Reddit or something. We will talk about that as one of my most, my favorite things about this subject, for sure. Gracious, losers, gracious, people with this goddamn sense of humor about the work that they do. Because they are winners of something. You know? Yeah. Yeah.

And they also made a lot of money. And the end of the day, they still made money doing something that is ridiculous. It is not sitting at a job that they hate. It is still, I mean, maybe they didn't like making the films. I don't know. But it is still a fun way to make a living. I would much rather something I made be on the Razies than no one ever watch it. Then not at all.

Because again, I mean, this is not, I mean, I know who killed me, for example. I mean, this is, again, a movie that is so spectacularly terrible that it is absolutely watchable, whereas there's so many movies that come out that are just boringly terrible, and that's no fun. And, you know, and it's so true. It takes a lot to make a good movie, and it's the same. It takes a lot to make a bad movie. So many things have to fall into place so perfectly, like absolutely shitty puzzle pieces, just all covered in shit.

and connecting together so wonderfully to create the mosaic that is a bad movie. It's not like someone, you know, it only takes one person to write a bad book. It only takes one person to write a terrible song. But, you know, a film is like so many people saying yes to this turd. Yes, have Jill fart for at least three more minutes so that you can get across the idea that she did eat Mexican food after a highly racist. Exist Mexican scene. So many people have to approve of that and say, yeah, sure, put that in the movie theater. And because of that, we must award these things and we must celebrate these things.

So shall we get into it? Shall we talk about the history of the Razies, some of the more notable aspects of the Razies? I love the history. This was a award show co-founded by UCLA Film Graduates and Industry Veterans, John J.B. Wilson and Mo Murphy. It's called the Golden Raspberry In reference to the phrase

Blowing a Raspberry Which goes back to at least 1890 I had no idea any of this stuff by the way I had no idea this was Cochney rhyming slang Of course Cochney rhyming slang A thing I do absolutely love Where they rhyme words with the words They're really talking about

It's like a code language And a raspberry tart Is slang for fart And so that's how we I had no idea that's where a razzie, blowing a raspberry came from. It's literally just making a fake fart noise. And it's also...

You got wet your lips on it. You got to get your lips all wet to make a good one. Yeah, exactly. And Jackie's favorite noise and favorite type of comedy. That is one thing I found in common with a lot of the razi movies is farts. It is obnoxious fart humor. There's a fart theme through a lot of the razzies. And this phrase has also been abbreviated in the U.S. by 1919 to just RAS and has been called also a Bronx cheer since at least the early 1920s.

So that is where Razzie comes from. That is the golden raspberry. It is a fart noise. John J.B. Wilson, let's talk about him. He grew up in Chicago, but he moved to Santa Monica, California at the age of nine. He was raised during the Great Depression and, quote, movies meant a lot to them, referring to his parents and his whole. family. His parents were movie buffs and gave him a great appreciation of the art form. He would end up skipping school a lot at a young age to go watch the Academy Awards from the

Bleachers. This is like a true blue L.A. boy. He majored in film and television at UCLA and then worked on marketing campaigns for movies. So perfect situation to be put in in order to discover just an endless slew of fucking god-awful films. He was a copywriter for a sponsor of the Los Angeles Film Festival. And so being these specific gigs, copyrighted for that, film festival, marketing for all these movies, that has him watching over 200 movies a year. And Wilson said, when you see that many movies, the odds do not favor the stuff that the Oscars or Globes are talking about. The odds favor the opposite. It's far easier to make in finance and therefore far easier to see a bad movie. And yeah, he even actually would end up doing some marketing work for

the Academy Awards. Well, and that's why I really like this. They hit home that the Razis don't discriminate when they're picking bad films. He says, in fact, probably I prefer to see a Hollywood heavy hitter in a bad film. Judging by previous years winners, we've got A-listers like Halle Berry, Ben Affleck, Robert Redford. So they are not looking at just like, oh, they're not hitting just that low-hanging fruit here. Yeah. The low-hanging fruit.

What was that? The Lindsay low-hanging fruit? Oh, yay. The Lee low-hanging fruit, yes. A poop joke. I thought it was also a poop joke. That's what I'm ready for. That's what I've prepped myself for in this instance.

He said, it's all about taking Hollywood's favorite pastime, congratulating itself, and turning it on its head. It's our reminder that, yes, you made movies like doubt, Benjamin Button and Slumdog Millionaire, but you also made things like Love Guru and Meet Dave and Indiana Jones for. Sure, and you don't, I mean, you try your best to choose films that are going to be good, but you never have any full idea, you know, of what's, you know, you can, there's no safe bets here, and sometimes things just are a disaster, the culmination of just a slew of bad

decisions. I love how the whole Ward Show began, because it really started like anyone else would start this fun tradition. This was literally just, uh, Wilson would hold potluck dinner parties at his house in L.A. for the Academy Awards. And I remember the first time I was in L.A. it was during the Academy Awards. And I did remember feeling like weird. I didn't realize

on the West Coast, you're done with the Academy Awards by like 8 p.m. Like this is, you know, I was so used to Academy Awards going until past my bedtime. Go to all the awards, razors every year. Yeah, we're always at the parties. Partying. Yeah. Right, right. Yeah. It's all

this stuff. And so you don't realize that. So after the 1980 award show, because they were just trying to figure out what to do with their time once the award show ended early, he and his friends get up and give award presentations in his living room for these bad awards. And this ends up being pretty successful. And Wilson said the Oscars come on at five and are over sometime around nine. And when you have that many people over, you have to have something to do. So I set up a cardboard podium and invited people to offer up nominees for the worst. film of the year and the first ever Worst Picture Award went to

Alan Cars Can't Stop the Music, which I had to look up and then I remembered exactly what this film was. Oh yes. The Village People Musical. And of course, just so poorly timed, this is when disco is absolutely dying. Like, it is just nothing about this is on top of... It just wasn't the right time

for it. That's what I love about the Razies. It's not even just that this movie should never have been made. It's celebration the fact that this movie is ridiculous, and this isn't the time for it. They should have made it five years ago. Or the opposite, which is with Catwoman, and we'll discuss that, is you take every trend that's happening

in modern society and put it all together into world. And you're like, don't you see? No, no, no, this should be the hit. It should be the hit of the year. And then they fall flat on their face sometimes. Wilson said, I happen to, oh my God, dude. Could you imagine this? Just could you imagine this?

I happen to pay 99 cents for a double feature of Can't Stop the Music and Olivia Newton John in Zanadu. And it was refused my money back afterwards. Could you fathom seeing Can't Stop the Music and Zanadu in the same afternoon in the movie theater? It would depend on how many drugs I am. If I'm on drugs, then sure, yeah, no, I'll sit and watch them all day. But this is before weed is legal in L.A. And also before ironic viewings, if you go in with the preparation of just having a fun time with it, I think it would actually be a fun double feature. But if you're going in to see cinema, I guess, then you can't enjoy it.

I just, I can't fathom that the level of quality of edibles were where they needed to be back then to thoroughly enjoy these films, though, I will say. I think that if cats had come out in the 90s or something before I had access to high quality. THC Edibles. I just don't know if I would have had the same top five memorable theater experiences that I had in the movie, much like Jurassic World, too, which was, I was so high

and I just was howling with laughter during the millionaire auction of the dinosaurs, which is one of my favorite, just amazing moments in that film that mean nothing without edibles. So in 1981, Wilson's little show actually gets some mentions in the local press.

Now, you have to remember, perfect storm, this guy knows marketing. He specifically knows marketing for award shows and for movies. He knows exactly what he's doing. It's perfect. He was born to do this. He releases some press releases in newspapers. So that's the thing. And I think that's the disconnect.

Like, well, I think a lot of people would hold like a fake award ceremony with their friends as an in-joke. And it would just be this small thing. But he took it to the next level using his business, And I think that's how we ended up with the Razies that we know today. The first official Golden Raspberry Awards, though, weren't until 1984. When they moved the ceremony also to the night before the Academy Awards, as opposed to doing it right after. Wilson said, when we moved it to the night before the Oscars, it suddenly became this big deal. Part of it is that you have all this press in town for the Oscars from all around the world.

And the night before the show, they really have nothing else to do. So there you go. And the show is, and I love that they did this, the show is deliberately low-end and tacky, as Wilson put it. It costs, the awards themselves cost under $5 each and come in the form of a golf ball-sized raspberry sitting on top of a super 8-millimeter film reel, all spray-painted gold. I believe it said that each one costs about $4.97, including the labor that is involved. They took place, the first awards ceremony at least, took place in a local elementary school cafeteria, which I just think is perfect. Oh, yeah. And the first official show drew around three dozen people.

But the attendance numbers, oh, they double a year later. And then after that, they double a year after that as well. And the fourth event is actually even covered by CNN and some other big outlets. And that's where they start getting this big name. I want to jump the gun a little bit here because I'm infinitely. curious. Jackie, where is this televised event being held? Where can we find it?

Do you know? Is it streaming? Or like, what's the deal? Now, the thing is what I'm seeming is that it's going to be on a television channel that I'm going to go ahead and say that none of us get. I think that it is, it seems that it's a, yeah, it's like a cable

channel that nobody really gets. It's called Comedy Dynamics. And so it will be televised there. But in previous years, wherever it was shot, you can watch parts of it on YouTube. So I think that they're going to take it after it is aired and put it on YouTube. So it's being produced by Comedy Dynamics, which is also a comedy production company that has put out like things that they've worked with Kevin Hart, they work with Jim Gaffigan.

All right, all right. So it will be put out the night before the Oscars. Gotcha, gotcha. So yeah, now we have just different facts about the award show, just amazing feet. done by different actors and directors to receive so many awards, so many different ways. One of my favorites is there are three people in history have won both a Razzie and an Oscar in the same weekend. And that would be Alan Minkin in 1993, Brian Helgland in 98, and Sandra Bullock in 2010.

She got the blindside, right? And then what was the one she won for? All about Steve. She won it in the same weekend. I think she should want a Razzie for the fucking blind side. So also, at this point, the current awards that are eligible, you've got worst picture, you have worse director, you got worse actor, worse actress, worst supporting actor, worse supporting actress, worst screenplay, worst prequel, remake, rip off or sequel, that is one, worst screen combo. And then now they also, which will get into in a little bit, the Razzie Redeemer Award. What I'd like?

Yes, I love it. About two with the Razies is that every year that usually we're, we'll be. will also make up a new award for that year specifically. Like, for instance, they have, sometimes they'll have worst movie trends of the year where the nominations included longer movies, shorter plots, and spoiler-filled trailers. Some of my favorite, which I think really comes hand in hand with other pop histories, or some unconventional things can also get Razzie Awards as well, like Mariah Carey's breasts in glitter.

her breasts won worst screen couple in glitter. Mariah's cleavage was on show so much, it constantly distracted the viewer from critical analysis of the film. The viewers complained of, quote, flat acting, weak songs, and unlikable characters, but it was okay if you like to film about breasts. Rating an abysmal two out of ten for effort on a fan site,

this pairing missed out on the Razzie to John Travolta and quote, anyone who shared a screen with him in Battlefield Earth. But don't worry that year, Mariah Carey still won the Razzie for worst actress. I was worried. Again, I think that it's fun that they do go into unconventional ways of people winning. Like when we talk about I know who killed me because not only did Lindsay Lohan win every one of the major Razies that year for it, but she also won worst on-screen couple because she plays. two different characters.

Kind of. Kind of. Spoiler. I'm sorry. Spoiler alert. Good Lord. We will get more into that later as well. I do.

I cannot believe that Air Smith's, I don't want to miss a thing, was nominated for an Oscar, but it was also nominated for a Razzie. I think that I do get it. I do understand. Really? I just, that song, man. I mean, I love Harris Smith. I can't.

I love Arismith, too, but that song, I'm so glad. that time is behind us. That summer was atrocious. That music video was constantly playing. That song was constantly on the radio or at whatever fucking retail establishment I was at just torturous. Confession, I still listen to that song. You know what? I have it on a couple of playlists. Somebody made me to do that karaoke once and it was rough. It's a long song. I bet it just goes on and on and on. It's one of those nightmare karaoke songs where you don't realize how many times they repeat the chorus. It mostly disturbs me because his relationship with Liv Tyler makes me uncomfortable. Of course.

Due to the old music video where she's a stripper and his song, the video for one of them ones with Alicia Silverstone. And that movie, Liv Tyler is one of the lead. I don't even remember what movie that is. What is that from? Oh, Armaged. Armaged. Armaged. Yeah.

And she's playing like the lead in it. I don't know. I don't like the relationship. Very bizarre. It is a little, yeah, no, it's a little creepy. I'll give you that. There are two actors that got both worst and best actor awards for the same performance and the same movie.

And that would be James Coco for Only When I Laugh, which I've never heard of. And Amy Irving for Yentel. Which I don't think that that's necessarily fair. I don't think it's fair. But again, because we, like, this, you have to remember, too, these are not people. The people that vote for the Razis are not the people. like the academy. These are not upper brow people. I'm sure

there are some upper brow people on there. I don't even know if upper brow is a word. But that's why I get it. I think that we find that we go against some of the things that they have to say, because anyone can vote for the Razies as long as you pay for a membership

of the Golden Raspberry Award group. Yes. Well yeah, which is way more American, I will say. With the Oscars, there's like usually does these out of touch old-ass people. They don't like actually choose any genre films ever or anything. So

Razies is more a representative of America. No, and that's why I like that there are ones that are debatable that I don't agree with as opposed to the Oscars where it's just like, well these are all great, great, great movies and sometimes just like, well, I love Mommy Dearest, even though I'm aware

of the fact that Mommy Dearest is not the best movie that has ever been made, but I've seen it hundreds of times. So here is how it's all broken down. Anyone can vote for an annual membership. It only costs $40. And the renewal price is just $25 to keep it going. There are other membership tiers where they throw in different things like t-shirts and things. It goes all the way up to $500. And that is for a lifetime membership, which includes getting 25 of your friends in on the vote, two t-shirts and acknowledgement in their program. Of course, you can also be anonymous. Of course, hilariously, a lot of people, especially Hollywood elite members that are a part of this thing. wish to be anonymous and don't wish to actually have their names known as being part of the voting committee. They surpassed the thousand member threshold back in 2017, which was a big goal of theirs that they hit, and have had members in 49 states. I think back then Wyoming was the holdout. I'm not sure if that's

still a thing because that was 2017. So someone in Wyoming, listen to this. Come on, throw down the 40 bucks. You've got to do it. Make history. And there's something like 24. four countries involved in this, by the way. They do go outside of America. Which is great. Yeah, sure. Wilson said, I think it's significant that I think we are the only awards that have all those different sectors of opinion voting on a single award.

The other thing that I love to point out is that we now have 10 times as many voting members as the Golden Globes. They have less than 100 voting members. It varies from near to year. I don't know why they are taken so seriously. I had no idea that that was the... small amount of people that voted on the Golden Books. It should be wider. Again, you're right. It's like, this is America. We should be voting on these things.

And of course, if you do win a Razzie, you can become an honorary member if you would like. I don't know how many takers there are on that, but that is an offering of theirs. They have also partnered with Rotten Tomatoes so that they can narrow things down a little bit. If a film has less than 25% approval rating, it's pretty likely to get on the ballot. Which don't even bring up how I feel about rotten tomatoes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, they're weird. I believe that Jack and Jill has a higher rotten tomatoes percentage than the movie Clifford,

which is an amazing movie. Thank you very much. Rotten tomatoes. When Wilson was asked if anyone has ever gotten upset about winning a Razzie, he said, there are two in our early years. One of them was reported in the British press, and if you know the British press, it could be true, might not. But when Faye Dunaway won for Mommy Dearest,

somebody supposedly told her at a press party, and to quote the newspaper, she, quote, flew into a litigious rage. The other one, Sylvester Stallone, for about 14. Which, this one makes me feel sad because he has been nominated for 31 Razis. And when they nominated him for the worst actor of the century in the year 2000, he kind of flipped out because I

this is another one where you know what I appreciate the fact that they are going to say and think how they want to think but he has put a lot of effort into creating his career Do you think this has anything to do with your personal feelings about Sylvester Salome? I might want to rub a loin

or two on Ponce Tim yes but I feel because I imagine you hit 31 or like you were said that you're nominated for the worst actor of the century, which also in 2000, Madonna won worst actress of the century, so I'll give that to her. I think it's sad. So he called, he called, he got all mad

about it. Wilson said, we did get a voicemail that sounded like him, referring to Sylvester Salon. For legal reasons, we can't say it was him. But his point was, my movies make money, stop picking on me, and you're not exempt from the Razies if your movie made money, which I do agree. That's actually your, almost less exempt. exempt. But I do love the good sports. And this is a brief history of the people who actually leaned into it, had fun with it. Unfortunately, it starts, I don't love this person. Unfortunately, it starts with Bill Cosby. He was the first one technically to accept. Except for the fact that I

think that this really shows the amount of asshole that we now know that he is. So he wins, quote, unquote for worst actors, screenplay, and picture for the atrocious Leonard Part 6, not even ghost at, which he did so on Fox's late show. Cosby insisted his Razzie, though, be, and I think is what you're referring to, be made out of solid gold costing the network 30 grand. He said, I will accept it if you make it out of solid gold, and they also ended up making it out of marble as well, because when he said, I want my golden raspberry, and if it isn't golden, I'm going to the press. And he said, it's a cop out if it's not.

If you're going to take a big name and declare it the worst, you have to perform as well. So Fox's late show stepped in and paid for marble and gold trophies at a cost of 30 grand and hosted a mini Razzie's presentation ceremony on the late show for him. I guess we need to explain to the comedian the joke of it being purposely a shittily made award, but whatever, I guess we'll just. That's the point.

Oh, you can't explain it to him in prison, can you? Because he's in jail. So, let's get past that fucking awful piece of shit. Tom Selleck accepted his razzie on Fox's The Chevy Chase Show in 1993 for his turn in the film. I've never heard of this fucking shitback movie. Christopher Columbus, The Discovery. Oh, boy. I got to see that.

I forgot to look up if he actually plays Christopher Collins. Which I feel, fingers crossed. What is he playing? The ship? Come on, of course he's playing it. Oh, no, he plays Ferdinand the second of Oregon. Wait, no, wait, Marlon Brando is in this? Marlon Brando, Tom Selleck, George Coraface, and Rachel Ward.

Benficio del Toro. Now I kind of want to see it just to see how bad it is. There's breast in the film. Woohoo. Man, this just looks like, you know what kind of looks like it looks kind of like those bad into the world Christian movies that came out. It kind of has that vibe to it. Like the ones that Kirk Cameron won Razies for?

Of course, yeah, yeah. But with titties. But with titty on it. Yeah, put some tities in those movies, guys, and then maybe I'll get on your Armageddon prophecy. Or you'll get more Razzies like in showgirls. You know what? I say, mazel, mazel, mazel for Paul Verhoeven, who showed up as he was the director of showgirls, he showed up to accept all seven razis that show girls.

Yeah, man, you got to embrace it. Go for him. Because that's what makes it fun. I love this part of it, that the people that went out of their way to be like, know what, I'm going to lean into the joke. Why fight it? It's silly. There is so much vitriol on the internet for the people that make the people that make

the Razis. It's insane. Guys, it's entertainment. It's funny you brought up fighting it and also supporting it. One person who sort of did both was Tom Green. He attended the show in 2002 to accept the worst actor

award for Freddie got fingered. But also when he got to the podium, he started playing a harmonica and would not stop. Wilson said, we went out and surrounded him in a big group hug. We had to pry his hands off the microphone and carry him off stage, he was pissed.

So I think it was a little aboth going on there from Tom Green. It's because it's Tom Green. And I was going to watch Freddy Got Fingered for this because I know it was also another shit show. But you know what? I think that that deserves its entire episode. Sure. I'm scaring everyone.

I'm threatening everyone right now with a Freddie Got Fingered episode. I can do it. I can do it. Henry loves it. At the very least, Tom Green. Yes. At the very least to Tom Green episode because that guy definitely deserves it. Then you have been out.

Affleck. And this is cool. Accepting his worst actor award for G. Lee on Larry King Live. Oh, never mind. This wasn't cool. I forgot. Again, this is a guy who was like, quote, unquote, a good sport. And then Super Not. He ends up breaking the statue and leaving it behind. Does that make you feel good about yourself? You know what? I think this is the best thing that Wilson could have done. He auctions the trophy off on eBay for $1,700, which paid for the next show. Fuck you, Ben Affleck. Oh, you want to be. have a tantrum.

Yeah, it doesn't make you look good doing that. No, just break it? What are you a child? Were you proud with Gile? Like something you were super proud of? I don't think anyone was proud of Gile. I remember beginning. By the way, I have to give shoutouts

where shoutouts are due to the, if you love to celebrate bad movies, how did this get made as a fantastic podcast about bad movies. And I remember, you know, they did an episode on Gile that got me to look up clips and stuff. And I was just mystified by the whole. Everything's surrounding that film. That's a fun-ass show. That's one of the longest running podcasts I've ever listened to.

Hell you. Yeah. It's pretty great. So this is where we get to 2005, my favorite thing about the history of the Razzies. Hallie Berry, historically showing up to accept her worst actress award for Catwoman. Which she does deserve. Yes. Just one year after she won Best Actress at the Oscars for Monsters Ball.

I believe she was the first African-American woman. to win a best actress award. Yes, so not only does she accept the award, but she brings her Oscar with her to accept the Razzie. And is such a good sport about it and is so fucking funny about it. She gets up, she fakes being like really emotional.

She says, first of all, I want to thank Warner Brothers. Thank you for putting me in a piece of shit, God awful movie. I never thought in my life I would be up here winning a Razzie. I mean, it's not like I ever aspired to be here, but thank you. She holds up her Oscar. No, I don't have to give this back. It's got my name on it. She brings her manager on stage with her, which is amazing. And is literally like, can you not just pay attention to how many zeros are behind the one next time you're choosing a movie and really actually maybe

spend time reading the script? Like, just so funny. He's up there just looking so. embarrassed. She thanks her manager, agent, lawyers, the film's writers, her Catwoman cast members including Alex Borstein, who she brought up to the podium. Just, just so funny, and you've got to watch the whole speech. It's online. I think this was actually... It is online. And also, do yourself a fun favor. Get some friends together and watch Catwoman if you haven't, because we're going to talk about Catwoman a little bit. And it was a lot more fun than I thought it was going to be. I laugh the entire time. Yeah, you definitely want to have

some people with you. It's not a lone experience movie. No, and some other people showed up to accept their words as well. The screenwriter of Battlefield Earth, I could not bring myself to watch Battlefield Earth again because actually, us as a family watched it last year again.

That's a tough one. It is so long. It's just so long. So the screenwriter Jay David Shapiro showed up and accepted the Golden Raspberry for Worst screenplay but also did comment that John Travolta had called Battlefield Earth

the Schindler's list of science fiction and I just, I needed to just say that I had to say that aloud because that's absolutely ridiculous But he was saying it and like he was saying this is so deep Yes, okay, got it. He meant, oh no, no, John Travolta meant it.

It was an LRH story. Yes, oh yeah, no, he meant it and also the Rock accepted his Razzie. He won a lot. the Razzie for Baywatch. And he had said, which actually I think that this is where it goes hand in hand.

It was up for the award ceremony that year. They had so bad you loved it. And that's what Baywatch won for. And the Rock said, we made Baywatch with the best of intentions. It didn't work out like that, but I humbly and graciously accept my

Razzie. And I thank you critics. Thank you fans. And look, at the end of the day, a movie so rotten, you eventually fell in love with it? That's just the way love goes, which I think is a very cute thing to say. Also, in 2010, Sandra Bullock also showed up very last minute to pick up her worst actress trophy for All About Steve, to the surprise of the organizers, which I think is great. Wilson said, we've had a couple of slogans that we use, one of them being, own your bad, which was coined by co-founder Mo Murphy. It's better if you own up to it. The two best examples of that

are Halliberry's speech and Sandra Bullock's. They both took decidedly different tax in addressing it. Hallie Berry just had enormous fun at her own expense, and Sandra Bullock was kind of questioning whether we'd seen the film based on the grosses. We are the kids in the peanut gallery, having fun at some very famous, very elegant, very wealthy people. For our perspective, if you got paid millions of dollars to do something like Batman v. Superman, you should be able to have a sense of humor. We're not taking away your $10 million. We're just saying, ha, ha. I mean, because how do you not make a joke where Christopher Walken was nominated for an Oscar and nominated for a Razzie in the same weekend? He did not win either one, but he was nominated for Catch Me If You Can. And then he was also

nominated for the Razzie for Disney's the Country Bears. So it's like, if you're making too vastly different movies, you have to realize that not all of it is. Not all of it can be the Schindler's list of science fiction. I mean, I think the country bears is the Schindler's list of live action puppet movies. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, very close to like Muppets Take Manhattan. I think that they're definitely in the same vein here. There have been a couple of Lifetime Achievement Awards. A Uy Bowl is famously a fucking horrible director that just puts out so much schlock.

He makes a lot of bad video game adaptations like Far Cry, House of the Dead, and Blood Rain. Wilson said he did this video. I think he meant it to be funny, but he was pissed off, where he kept mispronouncing the awards. It was absolutely hilarious and well-deserved. That's great. And Ronald Reagan got the honor very early on. Because he was, of course, in those monkey movies.

Yeah, you know, again, they made choices. He wanted to be an actor, and man, he kind of acted. And across from a monkey, I believe it was the Bonzo, I believe, was the name of the movie. See, I saw one of them back in the day because I was with my friend and his dad was like, yeah, Reagan, Ronald Reagan, you know,

the president, ex-president, he was in a bunch of these monkey movies who were like, what the fuck are you talking about that he put on one of them? And we were like, shocked. Just couldn't believe it. Was it just bad? It was, uh, yeah,

they were just old black and white movies about a fucking monkey that Ronald Reagan was the star of where it was like him and this monkey. Um, it's very fun. Was it like a buddy cop kind of movie? Yeah, kind of a buddy sort of thing. I don't think they were cops.

I wish they were cops. I wish our president was somebody used to make monkey movies. No, no, no, no. Before CGI, that is a real ass monkey doing all that stuff. The Razzie Redeemer reward. You mentioned it briefly. I didn't know if that was where you were about to talk about, Jackie. But I just, that is the light at the end of the tunnel for me.

They do want to celebrate people being able to make terrible films and then turn their career right back. around. And Mo Murphy is the one, the co-owner of the show. He came up with this as a way to celebrate that sort of thing. Ben Affleck, Bad Sport, Ben Affleck, he ends up getting one because he follows up Gile with Argo, which Argo was fucking amazing. And Sylvester Stallone, who was also upset. He got one because of the Creed films and everything and after making all those bad Rocky movies. Well, they actually started the award for Ben Affleck in 2014 because he had won Gile, and then went to become an Oscar darling for Argo and Gone Girl in the same year.

Oh, yeah. So for as much as you're going to go ahead and destroy your little trophy, you Dagnab Baby Alert. Yes, they created a new award for him, for him to redeem himself, and then he was followed by Sylvester Stallone winning, and then Mill Gibson won, because he'd won the, he was a nominee for the Expendables 3, Razzie, but then was up for an Oscar. directing for Hacksaw Ridge. Another, the latest one was Melissa McCarthy who won, who was a

multi-Razzy darling, and she won last year because she became an Oscar nominee for Can You Ever Forgive Me? Which was great, by the way. She is fucking hilarious in a really good actress, and there's something, I love that her and her husband work together, but

I don't, when they make stuff together, it's never her best shit. Yeah. I'll say that. Yeah, for sure. Well, because I think that it is, I think they're just having fun. Because they write it together, they work on it together, and I think it is the same in the world of Jack and Jill, where it's like, well, they got a bunch of money. They like working together. Why not make a bunch of bullshit? I was literally about to bring up. She really does have that Adam Sandler quality where she can do a punch drunk love and just be absolutely amazing and then go

do a Jack and Jill. And that's fine too. Whatever. What are you going to do? Yeah, totally. Yeah, in 2018, there was a lot of kerfuffle, which I remember reading about this and then completely forgetting about it, when the Oscars were going to add the category of popular movie. And that's because they were trying to keep up with the marvels, like things at all that people are watching that is just like, oh, it's what the laymen like to watch. And there was such an outcry not only from, you know, from the Internet, from the Academy Committee, from everybody,

including the creators of the Razies for stepping on their toes. And Wilson said the Oscars lowering themselves to honor popular. fair just to get more eyeballs is not conducive to their brand. Everyone depends on Oscar to point out the good stuff that might not otherwise be seen. We sip through bottom of the barrel, mindless, popular, and sometimes unpopular entertainment. The Razies invite the dishonored to humble themselves and own their bad. That's our job. So a tip to our older, more distinguished bald, brother, you are our inspiration.

Don't fail us now. The Razies are co-dependent on Oscar. are devalued, so are we. And it actually all went by the wayside. Hell yeah. That is not come back around. Hell yeah. That's good.

That's good. That's good. We've been watching a lot of dumb movies. I know. Which now I think we need to talk about. Yes. So this is the, if you want a little starter list, we've mentioned a lot of these. But this is the top 10 worst razzy films according to screen rant.

if you want to get going on catching some of these terrible ass movies. Mommy Dearest. Go fuck yourself, but I understand. I get it. Strip T. That movie just puts me in a bad mood. It's kind of like I know who killed me. I know who killed me is so bad that at the end of it,

I was just like in a shit mood. I was just like, fuck everything, this fucking movie. See, I had a smile on my face at the end of Jack and Jill by the fact that he had the freedom to make it in the first place. So, Mommy Dearest, strip tease. The Lonely Lady, which I hadn't really heard about. I guess it's this biopic about a

screenwriter. That was the one I hadn't really heard of Bolero. Do you remember Bolero? I'm trying to remember that one. I know what that word is, though. G. Lee, I've heard this one is exceptionally fucking garbage. The Twilight Saga Breaking Dawn Part 2.

How do you feel about them saying that? Natalie is a Stan. She's a Stan of Twilight. All right, Natalie. I'm literally just going to say, The one word, and that word is, wow. I did not choose to represent Twilight fans here. And now I'm going to walk away from the microphone and pray for you. I've never prayed for anyone before.

I am getting roasted for something that I did not do. Wow, who's the most fuckable fucking shiny vampire, Natalie? Oh, it's definitely Robert Pence. Yeah, and so don't actually ask. me, okay? Whoa. Wow. There are those kind of movies and books that are so easily digested that I can keep them on in

the background. Henry's now watched them in pieces because I just throw them on when they're on like TBS and shit. I mean, they're always on somewhere. Mostly the soundtracks are really good. Hell yeah. Interesting. I will come back.

You guys. I will come at you with that. I will not come at you with that. Is this movie dog shit, though? Well, it's not good. I mean, Breaking Down Part 2 specifically, though, is apparently just on another level of... I would say it's better than some of the other ones. Okay.

What's the worst one in your opinion? One of the middle ones, probably... There's a lot of them. It's all the wash to you, isn't it? It's just one thing. It's just like plain spaghetti, and I like plain spaghetti. Oh, yeah, we just will put it on it. See, I like some plain-assigate.

Either way, Twilight Saga, Breaking Down Part 2. Showgirls, of course, Battlefield Earth, which won seven Razis. I know who killed me at number two. We will talk about it. Lohan actually won two trophies for worst actress and another two trophies for worst screened couple. It was so bad. And then Jack and Jill sweeping the 2012 Razzie Awards, winning all categories. Sandler won Best Actress and David Spade won worst supporting actress for playing female characters in drag.

David Spade's a girl in it? Oh, yes. The film was also named Worst Prequel, Remake, Rip-Off, or Sequel on the basis that the movie stole elements of Ed Wood's classic cross-dressing film, Glyn or Glinda. I don't think it's on that high of a level. It's just, I think that was just their way to sneak it into sweeping the entire show. And that is the number one. And I'm actually ashamed to say it, so I have not seen Jaggin' Jill. Now, I can only imagine one of the, it is just actually like just viscerally annoying, correct?

I will, you know what? I'm going to go out here on a limb, guys. It was not as bad as I thought it was going to be. It is racist and it is disgusting. But there's definitely a part that I even was offended by when they look up his skirt to see what he's got under their quote. And then he, and then like the member of this family, this is while they're also. being very racist against Mexican people gives a bunch of money to another dude

so as to say that like, oh, you can go fuck it. It doesn't have a penis. Cool. I will say I was very surprised at Al Pacino is in this movie. Al Pacino gives it his all. And you know what? I clapped when Al Pacino, spoiler alert,

shows up in the end, dressed as Manila Mancha, and saves Jill as well as Katie Home, who plays Adam Sandler's wife from the fight that they are in with David Spade dressed as a woman and what race does Rob Schneider play in this one?

Rob Snyder is not in this movie but I will say the cast of this movie I don't know how it's Al Pacino, Johnny Depp is in it Drew Barrymore, Katie Holmes Norm McDonald is in it, Shaq is in it Regis Philbin is in it, Dana

Carvey is in it Tim Meadows is in it. It's because of Sandler. I think because he's friends with all of them. I think it really is that he just put a bunch of his friends in it. But every time another person would show up, and I didn't realize that Al Pacino is a huge part of this movie. Oh, wow.

And I, you know, he gave it his all. And it was the whole plot of the movie is that Adam Sandler is trying to get Al Pacino because he makes commercials. He was trying to get him to be in his commercial up from Dunkin' Donuts, where it's not a Dunkuccino. it's an, it's like, he changes his first name to dunk and now it's an Al Pacino, but it's a dunk a chino. I'm tired just talking about it, but I, there were a couple of parts that I left.

I did just get emotionally exhausted. Hearing me give that plot. It is, yeah, it was, and even Jared from Subway is in it. Oh, my God. Had their thumb on the times. How long, wait, what is this movie from? This movie was made in 2011 And you know what? It was too

Late is really what it is I think the big problem is that if this movie was made in 1998 It would have been hit in a different way Yeah maybe even like 94 Yeah yeah yeah 2011 was way too late to make this And he was too old

You can't when you're a certain Past a certain age and you've Been on the scene for a while It's not cute to do these kind of movies anymore He gave it as all I thought that he had the acting was not that bad And I agree with you ladies. In a post-9-11 world, this movie cannot exist.

I know. I know who killed me. This film was directed by Chris Severson, who also did the films. All cheerleaders die and The Lost. And he ended up doing movies for, or yeah, he's just sort of like likes making movie, weird kind of horror films, I guess. So in case you guys are not aware, this is, Lindsay Lohan playing multiple characters.

She's a young woman named Aubrey Fleming who falls victim to a sadistic kidnapper. When her ordeal is finally over, Aubrey is a shocking surprise for her family. She claims to be someone else. Dakota. Some who wonder whether Aubrey is mentally ill, intentionally lying, or if there is some bizarre truth to her claim. And she's playing, she's playing a teenager in this. Lindsay Lohan herself is 21. And if you would have told me she was 40 in this, I would have been like, okay.

Yes. And of course, this is to heavy drug use. The filming was delayed in the first week of production due to Lohan being hospitalized, due to her being, quote, overheated and dehydrated, according to a representative. But of course, this also coincided with her just happening to check herself into a rehabilitation facility for a 30-day stay. She's leaving just to go shoot the movie at night. Paparazzi are hounding her so badly. during all of this.

They even make it into the background of some of the shots in the film. Which isn't that crazy? Yeah. She got a DUI which prevented her from doing promotion for the film. After it was completed,

this is just, and just, okay, let's talk about a little bit. This movie, like, yeah, okay, there's a sex scene. Also, not as bad as I thought it was going to be. So bad. I enjoyed it.

I hated this movie. I actively hated this movie because it was just like, it was just actively. annoying. Like the look of it was terrible. The, remember, uh, oh. But it was edgy. Just there's so many weird moments. Like, it's like, what are you being right now? And I think at the end of the day, it wanted to be a horror movie. But at points, you know,

it was like the part where she's fucking the guy. And it's got like the, like the Porky's music all of a sudden. Yeah. There's like music play. And then the mom's just like putting up with it inside the house just listening to it. And it's like kind of supposed to be funny. Yeah, but she's just, just leave the fucking house. And he's asking everybody for a condom out front of the house. And her, I can't believe Lexi said this out loud. At the very beginning, she's doing a strip tease and Lexi's like, oh, you're going to be so, like, hot it out by Lindsay Lohan in this movie. And I'm just like, I don't think so. And even in the sex scene, she's got like, she's got like drug abuser body. You see like the bones of her spine. Yeah. Yeah. It's more you're watching

somebody in a crisis. I mean, and she is. She's in a full-blown crisis at this point in time. Yes. And you can see it. Not only interacting, but everything about it, she looks, she has the vacant eyes of someone that is not fully present because she wasn't. No. And also they add a full element of straight torture porn in this movie. It is like hardcore gore scenes in this movie. Although, and we were all texting with each other to not eat while you're watching it

because it's pretty gross. But it does. There's a scene where her. hands are being frozen off. And they do look like little hot dogs. I got a little hungry. Got a little hungry. That's one of the elements of like, oh, this is, like, at points this is trying to be some

horny boy movie, but then there's just actively trying to detest you. One of my favorite, like, are you really just trying to make me turn this off moments, was in the final sequence with the serial killer playing piano so atrociously, annoyingly, badly that I'm just like, are you literally trying to get me to turn this off right now? This is fucking like nails on a chalkboard the way he's playing this piano right now. It's the Tom Green of movies. Just stuff like that where you're just like what, what even, and just having no idea like what the plot is for so much of it until like kind of the end, the awful use of

the symbolic blue oversaturation of different of things. What is the owl fucking doing? use of final cut pro filters on this movie. So much pretentious, dumb choices that is, that's the lynch part that you're talking about. Yes, exactly. And it is. There is this fine line between using kind of abstract imagery to be this incredible masterpiece like a lynch movie would be.

Or it just being this. But that is why I actually really enjoy it because I appreciate them just going for. Like, he's doing his thoughts. He had some dreams and he put him out there. And I appreciate that side of it for sure. And I also feel like this, it was the age. This came out in 2007. This was the time when all those gritty movies were coming in.

If there's one word to describe it besides confusing and upsetting, it is gritty. It's all very dark. In fact, to the point my television is so old that there were times I had to like fuck with the settings of my television so I could see what was happening on screen. Yeah, I'm embarrassed that I put my television through that film. That's the fact that I rented it. I wanted to like call Amazon to be like, I know, I know, I know. I rented Catwoman and Jackie Joe and I know who killed me this week. But please, I'm not going through, like I'm not about to have a mental break. Yeah, do you not recommend movies based off that. Yeah, well, that's the funny thing for me is

so this week for which the Brouser were doing Bong Joon Ho, the director of Parasite and Snowpiercer and the host and all these amazing men and Mother. So I'm literally going from watching Mother this like amazing South Korean masterpiece film and then switching to I know who killed me for the final 30 minutes because I had to watch that movie in

four different chunks. I was so offended by it. And the name too just to cap it off. I know who killed me is just one of the fucking dumbest names. And she says it. She says it in the movie. And she says it. And the movie, the budget for the movie is $20 million and the box office made $9.7 million. Good.

Yeah, just terrible. Now let's also... How was that $20 million budget that it looked like... Julia Ormond! It looks like a fucking college movie, like a college student film. They will say because they did... I know it killed me won the special category. It also won a worse excuse for a horror film.

And I was sad for Julia Ormond because she lost the worst supporting actress to Eddie Murphy in morbid that year. There you go. That's a bummer. I mean, it's going to happen to the best of us. All right, and then to cap it off, let's talk about Catwoman directed by Petov, a visual effects supervisor who worked for great directors. Just one name.

Yeah, just one name. He worked for, he did effects for Lars von Trier, among others. Like, he's like a very respected effects supervisor dude. Now again, we are talking about the Halliberry Catwoman movie, by the way. The Halliberry Cat Woman movie. He made two other movies. One, V-Doc, which was a mystery that put him on the map. Kind of.

The only other movie he's made is called Fire and Ice the Dragon Chronicles, and that was a made-for-TV movie that could not probably be very good. Petov said, I checked out some to see how Catwoman is treated in the comics to make sure that our Catwoman was in the same vein. But I didn't want to be too influenced by the comic book because the whole. point of the movie was to be the, to be first a movie and to be different. Different from Batman, different from Spider-Man. This movie has its own identity. I tried to find my sources more in the character of Catwoman herself. To me, Catwoman, to me, the Catwoman we're filming now with

Hallie Berry is in the continuity of the others. She's different from Michelle Fyper's character, different from anybody who's played Catwoman in the past, but she is Catwoman. When you look at the differences between the comic book Catwoman and the TV, or movie catwoman, they're all different, but there's a feeling that they are all cowwoman. Hallie brings her own personality through her attitude and through the outfit. Oh, you mean the tiniest outfit I've ever seen for any... No wonder everything had to be CGI every time she moved. There's no way her huge, amazing breasts would be able to stay and move inside of said leather bra top and the...

Is this you know what it is? It's those low-rise leather pants. How did they stay up? She didn't really do any. Whenever she was on screen, she mostly was either squatting or standing or maybe kind of walking. That is all she basically was allowed to do.

It is all the CGI. It's basically a cartoon for half of the movie. But the tagline for Catwoman should be, isn't Holly Berry pretty? I mean, she's gorgeous in it. It's not even that she's even necessarily bad in it. The writing is so bad. She's also just not Catwoman.

She's not crazy enough. The superficial stuff of it, too. It's all about like the cosmetics industry. And it was like I was talking about earlier. It is such a 2004 movie where it's like very sharp haircuts, jump cuts, technology. CGI. Her hair cut was bad. All the fight scenes are just like clip, clip, clip, clip, clip.

I mean, in the basketball sequence is the most. And it's beautiful in that. it's so horribly absurd that it is, it deserves a razzie and it's not boring to watch. You're watching it. It does make you a little bit sick to watch because it's just jump cuts. It really did. It was making me nauseous at times and I had to pause. I was just going to say, I have actively gone back and rewatch the basketball sequence

multiple times since I first saw it because it is so embarrassing. It is so corny. It is one of the corniest things I've ever seen in a movie. It's like just watch. that if you need any indication of what this movie is about it is so dumb. And also weird with

all of the little kids in the background while they're almost fucking each other. Yeah. Oh yeah. It's so weird. There's barely any stunt woman stuff in this because it's all digital. It's also done by a man in which I wanted

to bring up because I figured when you had said like yeah you can see that it's definitely her stunt person is a man doing it. And then I went back and watched some of the scenes like, that is such a slap in the face. So they had this, a dude, Nito LaRioza, who was her stunt person that had to just shave his head and shave his mouth. And also wear that outfit to do stunts. And why? That was the stunt.

It still is to extent. But that was the stunt world for many, most of film is they would just put guys in costumes because a woman could never do that. They also used to do something called paint downs. I think I might have mentioned that before. They wouldn't hire black people. They would body paint white guys to do the. Jesus Christ. Hallie Berry said, everybody around me said,

Girl, don't do it. It's going to be the death of you. It's going to end your career. But guess what I did? I followed my intuition and I did a movie called Catwoman and it bombed miserably. While it failed to most people, it wasn't a failure for me. because I met so many interesting people that I wouldn't have met otherwise. I learned two forms of martial arts and I learned what not to do.

She also said, following your intuition doesn't always mean you're going to be successful or win the prize, but it means you're always going to learn the exact lesson or get the exact accolades or the exact check that you're supposed to get for yourself. Never compare that to anyone else. The incomparable, Halliberry, you know, honestly... I mean, she got paid $12.5 million. million dollars. Sure. Who fucking cares.

I love her. She also got to kiss Benjamin Bratt, which I will say. Benjamin Bratt was a lointhrob for old young Jackie. That's for sure. I'm going to say this. I was not the biggest Halliberry fan until she accepted her own award at the Oscars,

or at the Razzie's rather. That is what made me a lifelong Halliberry fan. So say what you will about her choosing to do a cowwoman. If she hadn't done that, she wouldn't have had a fan out of this fucking overweight, fucking idiot piece of shit moron person. And Sharon Stone

is still hot as fucking this movie. What a fucking baby she is in that movie. My God, the liquor, liquor, liquor. That jumpsuit at the end she's wearing. I'm just like, damn, girl. Like, there's nothing to hide. Her body's, like, perfect in that movie. It's insane.

And there's, I mean, the movie doesn't make any sense of how she gets away with any of the things she gets away with because it doesn't make any sense. And the fact that, man, the scene with them on the Ferris wheel. Really? I got so inexplicably mad at the seat

on the Ferris wheel. So in the Ferris wheel, Ferris wheel is breaking down and then Benjamin Brad because he's a cop, which means he can scale the entire Ferris wheel. To go down and fix. Like your dad. Your dad used to do that. Yeah, my dad can, oh my God, give him a tree. He'll jump over it. And he went down to fix the Ferris wheel and then she also climbs down to save a kid that she's

just kind of holding on to it. Like, that whole scene made me so furious for some reason. There were a couple scenes where they had her definitely rigged when she was jumping around in her apartment. But it wasn't done that well. So it sort of would be like, she'd just like let her feet go and then she'd be lifted in the air and then she'd be on the ground in a squat.

What the fuck? You just could, like, really tell. So, and there you go. And that is why we should celebrate bad films. They are to be held up, maybe not to the level of an Oscar-worthy film. But, you know, I think there's something to be said about it. And I think that the Razis are here to stay.

I'm excited to watch. I'm excited to become a part of the voting public as well with that $40 membership. And, hey, join in on the fun. And we hope everybody does check it out this year. And yeah, I think that's it. That's our episode on the Razies. And congratulations. Congratulations to those dudes for taking it and doing it for 40 years

and finally attempting to make it legitimate because that is an inspiration of, man, just keep fucking going and eventually someone will listen. I'm legit excited to hear who's nominated. Me too. Same cats. It's going to be all cats. I mean, definitely cats and hopefully the fanatic.

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