Page 7 - Pop History: The Spice Girls

Episode Date: May 5, 2020

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People of the world. I thought holding was going to come in. That was great. Did you guys rehearse that? We didn't rehearse that, but thank you, Natalie. You knew exactly what I needed. You jumped right on to it. That song's been in my head for about four days now.

You know what it sounds like? It sounds like we are missing girl power. That sounded more Jamaica than British. Also, mine has definitely been, I've given you everything. All the joy I can bring. That was a sweet. One's been in my head a lot. I think that all of us may have sung that too well for us to properly be doing the impersonation

of the Spice Girls. We are getting into the groove today. I have been feeling myself because I will say this may be another topic for old Jack Jack over here. But I pulled you guys in and now y'all both love the fucking Spice Girls. I've been converted. You are welcome. I've been converted.

We all, I mean, for me, I, you know, speaking about an episode for old Jack Jack, I was very attracted to the Spice. Obviously, okay, obviously, Jesus Christ. Like, classically have the story of there was a rerun of S&L. This is dark, kind of. There was a rerun of S&L. Hell again, let's start it off dark. I'm ready for it.

The Spice Girls were musical guests. And the, and the, right before they were about to go on, I had the lotion out. I was ready to really grind one out to a live episode of Saturday Night. Because back in the day, kids, you couldn't just get it. You had to, you had that patience. You had to wait for it. So I'm like, ready to go.

Jerry Hallowell images dancing around in my head. Wow, yes. Loving it. And I think I was probably going to tape it on a VHS, who I had a fun VHS with different horny things on it. And right before that happened, the whole thing got interrupted because Princess Die passed away. And I didn't understand the gravity.

Oh, no. I didn't understand the gravity of what was going on, so I was just like, what the fuck is this bullshit? Who even is this person? Are you serious? I was like, furious. Oh, my God. I love it. I love it.

I love it. So you say I wasn't a fan of Spice Girls, but I was in a different way, a fan of Spice Girls. Did it cross wires in your head, like that movie Crash where now you can only get erections from four crashes? Right. Yes, absolutely. That's why I'm such a shitty driver.

because he's too hard to drive. Is that what you're applying? Because he wants to come. He has to crash the car. So for me, yes, I think I'm appreciating what they are now that I can look at them and not just be like, oh, wow, wow, wow, you know, because I'm a grown adult. And also, they're very 90s, sexy. I mean, they're still really hot.

They're still really hot. It's a little lost in translation. Whatever, though. We can get to the fashion and stuff. but in general, I think I grew to appreciate their albums a little bit more now going back to them. But also, man,

some of my, OG sexual feelings were for specifically Posh and Jerry and a little bit of baby. Yeah. No, I was at that point, I was a young aspiring degenerate. So I was already at the point where I was like this stupid.

I don't like any of this dumb pop shit. I was like that. I was like that. Yeah. And so one of my earliest connections to them was a slightly older boy I had a crush on said, yeah, I watched that video all the time. I just watched it with the sound off. And I was like, oh, they're hot.

I get it. And then the other memory I have is a couple years later, there was a sketch on SNL where they were. Wow, and second SNL, oh. Yes. They were, they were. It was a sketch where they were pretending to be Spice Girls doing a rheumatoid arthritis commercial. And there's the section where one of them goes, don't get rheumatoid arthritis. Oh, you can't do this.

And she does like a karate kick. And I was doing the bit for my friend in her car. And I did it. And I kicked her windshield so hard that I shattered her front windshield. Damn. That takes some leg strength. I mean, I was strong. Were you a bit of a sporty?

So then did you? I was a dancer. Did you allie yourself mentally with sporty? No, because I still always liked fashion-y things. Oh, okay. So then who were you? Which spice were you? Well, none of them at the time, but if I'm to go back and review.

Yes. Let's see. I think I'd be closest to, like, ginger or maybe... I can see the ginger. I forget what their names are. That's Jerry. Who, okay. Sporty spices Mel C.

Yeah. Scary spices smell B. Scary spice. I connect too scary spice. My gosh price is Vicky for Victoria. Victoria at the time Adams. Then you have baby spice is Emma Bunton. Right?

Emma Bunton, yes. And Jerry Hallowell is Ginger Spice. I would say Jerry was always my girl. Still is always going to be my girl. She's the best. Jerry was the one I wanted to kiss and I was always scary spice. See, I wanted to be scary spice and I wanted to have sex with Ginger. Ginger is a sexual being and she embraces it and I love it.

Jackie, you had some really good spice girl names for us. Oh, well, yes, as I was naming the track titles of our vocals, I called me juicy spice. I called Natalie Bendy Spice. And then we immediately turned on Holden. And I believe I had said slimy spice and you said bumpy spice. What in the one? Handsome Spice. Attractive to the opposite sex spice.

Honestly, sweaty spice, I think is best. Sweety spice actually is really, oh, could you imagine if I really was a member? I would just be drenched after the first, you know, halfway through the first number. It would be so bad. Get him a cloth. Get him a towel.

Someone has him dying. That's what I'd say. Your leads accent. I was absolutely obsessed with the spice girls at the time of the spice girls. But there was also around the time that I had to pretend like I did. didn't like the Spice Girls. It was also around my new middle time. So Spice Girls was my quiet

Oh, really? Yes. So this is when I was heading into like middle school time. I see. And I really wanted to see the Spice Girls so badly. Sometimes you just don't want to wake up. You want to break stuff. I do want to break stuff. And so that's why I would blast on my CD,

my five CD disc changer, boom box. So I had all that, but then I'd have the Spice Girls in there, but I'd keep it in the back in case anybody came over. So when the disc drawer came out that they wouldn't see it, but sometimes it would spin in the, like, oh, I don't know how that got in there. What happened? How did it get in there? See, because back in the day, kids, let me give you a lesson or fucking two.

Oh, we did another lesson. Back in the day, you had to take a disc. You couldn't just click, clack on the internet and get whatever you want in a magic Pandora's box, you child listening to this right now. You've not grown-ass adult listening to this right now. And sometimes you remember the one, Oh, here was a big one. To play your own music in certain cars, you had to open up the trunk.

And pull and put them up in the trunk. No, no. I had a, I had a, I had a, had a wire. It was a fake cassette tape that you put into the cassette player. Oh, everybody had that. But it had a wire into my disc man that would connect it to that. So it would play from the discmen into the car stereo. But those were the worst because they skipped.

Yes. Oh, yeah. No, it was, I was the horrible set up. Dude, I was horrible. I was rocking, now that I think about it, I was legitimately rocking a disc man when I first got to New York City. Like, I was still actually traveling around putting compact discs into a disc man. But you shouldn't have at that point, right? I was like just, it was like just on.

You should have had an iPod at that point. I should have had a cell phone. I got a cell phone at that point. I was always a little behind. I was just starting, though. iPods were just starting. So even if I had got an iPod, like they were the shitty ones that would break down. after six months and you'll only put like 10 albums on them or something.

You know what I mean? So it's just very different. I do remember the day I got an iPod. And then over the weekend I put my entire music catalog on it. And I was just like, it's in my pocket. And you loved it. I would just put it all on shuffle. And everyone would get upset because I liked it on complete shuffle.

Oh, I did too. Thousands of songs I would shuffle through. I'm an album guy. I got to listen to the full thing. Anyways, back again, let's steer the car away from the old man. The old man canyon. I think you're 54 years old. How'd you that happen?

When to become one. Also, though, I will say, I still can't get over the line if you want to be my lover. You've got to get with my friends. Why didn't they say hang with my friends? It's probably some British thing. I believe it's a brush. But later in the song, Scary Spice says, if you want to get with me,

you got to make it last or whatever. So it's not like they're confused about what get with could mean. No, it's make it last forever. Friendship never ends. Oh, whatever! You're just trying to fantasize that they want to have sex with all of them.

That song's not about sex. Their message was not about sex. This is why I love the Spice Girls and especially when I can't wait to talk about Spice World because, again, I didn't think I could love it even more than I did when I was a kid. to enjoy it as much as I did.

I enjoyed it. I enjoyed it as well. It's stupid as fuck, but I enjoyed it as well. Yeah, it's supposed to be stupid, I think. But first, we have to talk about the toxic masculinity that brought them together. I guess you're bringing to Bob and Chris Herbert, a little background on them. I will try to be as brief as possible, because let's get to the ladies. Come on, that's where the good stuff's at.

Because I will also say, which I did not, I didn't know this. I think that this is around the beginning of time when, or I might be completely wrong about that, and I'm just not aware, of that these girls were put together to be the spice girls. And I didn't know that. I assumed that they had all been friends, that they decided to make a girl group. And that's what I just thought like, oh, they were friends forever. So they started making music together. But this is not the case. Suckery, dumb kid.

Well, I guess it wasn't until really in sync and Backstreet Boys were. I really looked, you know, found out that, oh, these are being made in a lab somewhere. Yes. This is not just a thing, a real thing. So, yeah, I agree with you. It was kind of, it was, of course, though, it was they called, entered the call of an ad, especially with such different, differing personalities and everything. And it was Bob and Chris Herbert who put the ad, the Herberts will refer to them as, the Herberts.

So they're bros? No. Father's son. Oh, father's son. And I will say, if you want to dislike these men, please watch Raw Spice, which is the documentary of when all of the Spice Girls were young and living together. And there's lots of interviews of the two of them. And it makes me upset. But you know what?

They did a good job at this part of it. Is there a producer who puts these bands together who's not a piece of shit? I may be. There might be some of them out there. I think I would like to hope that there are. Yeah, the guy who put together the Backstreet Poisoned In Sink looks like the fucking. emperor from Dune from David Lynch's June.

Yes. What's his name? The guy that begins with an age. No, but these guys weren't as bad with... Good job. Almost there. Yes. Horburn.

I believe his name is. You guys have both been indoctrinated by Henry. We did it. Now, these guys weren't touchies. They weren't as bad as the dudes that put together the Backstreet Boys and in sync in 98 degrees.

They just assumed they were dumb because they were young and because they were women. Yeah. And so Bob Herbert, born in Brentford, England, he started out as an accountant that just, and this is a lot, this generally happens with accountants. You just find yourself in some industry, not really by choice. He found himself in the music industry, and this is back in the mid-80s. And some of his early work was for the female vocal group, the three degrees, which started out in the mid-60s. I'd never heard of this group. They started out in Philadelphia and continued on into the 2000s. How did they do that for decades on in?

Well, it's because there were always three women in the group, but they would rotate them out. Oh, like Minuto. Yeah, they were 15 members total through the years. And while working for the three degrees, Herbert met a guy named Luke Goss, who started a band with his brother, Matt, called Gloss. So this is actually, they were friends with his son,

who he started this management company with. You don't want to call it hot goss? What fuck's wrong with you? His last name's Goss. You made the band gloss? Anyways, Bob sees the potential and these men with their dashing good looks. I looked them up. They are very dashing British name.

And so put the two together, right? He sees potential in a group, so he's already starting to look at trying to manage, while also working for the three degrees as an accountant, so he's seeing how you can create an act like that that could stand the test of time and be a big pop hit. And so he starts working with these guys. He's Bob is, that is, and he's giving them rehearsal space

and putting money into their demos and photo shoots and stuff like that. And after a year, the contract ended that he signed with them. And they ended up taking all of that and signing with a bigger name, rename themselves bros, and they got huge as a teen band in the 80s.

So Chris is Bob's son And so, of course, he's growing up in the music business as well. And at 21, he approaches his father for advice on starting his own talent management company. And it's actually Chris who had the idea. He says, at the time, the market was saturated with boy bands. In the UK, there was the East 17. Take that. Bad Boys, Inc. and Worlds Apart.

There were loads of them. That only catered to 50% of the audience. I thought it would be better to put together a girl band, something sexy and sassy. girls would aspire to be them and guys would quote unquote admire them, which is a fun way to describe. I think that Holden quote unquote admired them as well. Jack, Jack, yeah. Their first project, yeah, was this situation, this girl band.

And so the herbers, along with a financier named Cheek Mefeer, they put out an ad in the trade magazine, The Stage, requesting that singers auditioned for an all-female pop. band at DanceWork Studios. Of course, this is posted all over the place. I shall read this audition request. Wanted the letters, RU, 28 to 23, with the ability to sing.

Oh, 18 to 23 with the ability to sing slash dance. Are you streetwise, outgoing, ambitious, and dedicated, heart management limited, are a widely successful music industry management consortium, currently forming a choreographed singing slash dancing all female pop act for a recording deal open audition dance works 16 balderton street friday fourth march 11 a.m. to 530 a.m. Please bring sheet music or backing cassette. So this actually gets I don't know if they were prepared for this. This gets 400 women to show up to the audition which sounds crazy to me to go to that. No way. I think I think nowadays

actually probably be more like a thousand. Oh yeah. You guys never did. like cattle call stuff in New York for, I guess not for comedy. You don't need to do that. No, I never went in for one of those, but I know that they get lots and lots and lots of people to show up. Anything with dance, theater, musical theater, anything like that. They're cattle calls. There are so many people who want the job. I hate, hate cattle calls. Yeah, nightmare situation. They're all placed in groups of 10. They have to learn and perform a routine to the song, Stay by Eternal. I've never heard of that. I've never heard of that before, but I'm sure it's not

fucking... Eternal is great. Oh, they're great? Oh, okay. Yes. I just assumed it was bad. What's Eternal? Who's Eternal? It's another... It's a U.K. girl band. How do you know that? I look it up. Oh. Also, the lead singer of Eternal was part of the Raw Spice documentary that I had

watched, because essentially they were trying to make these other bands, but a lot of the other female-based bands still had men a part of it. So that's why they wanted to something that was all females. And apparently, scary spice, Mel B comes in. And the second they saw it, so they knew what they were looking for,

that they wanted very specific different women to be involved in this. So apparently Mel B. was in, according to Chris Herbert, after her first audition. Melanie Brown aced it, he says. The 19-year-old who would become Mel B sang everyone off the stage, performing the greatest love of all by Whitney Houston. And she looked the part in a black. black top and a brown miniskirt. Chris Herbert recalled she had a young,

funky look, was an okay singer and a great dancer. She always gave it 100%. I thought, well, you're definitely in. So you think that's the first round, right? Also, if you want to see that, the 2007 documentary about them shows their audition. Oh, yeah. All their tapes,

yeah, they're all on the YouTube. I've even seen that. I didn't watch. I didn't catch the documentary but I have even remember seeing footage of this casting call. She does. I mean, she is definitely, you know she's got star power looking at it. And that's what's great is seeing them so young, too, and we will find out more about this as we go on, is that their personas were heavily based on who they were as actual people, like Victoria Adams,

who becomes posh, Spice, Victoria Beckham, that she ticked off an entirely different box for Chris Herbert, because what Chris Herbert wanted was one of the girls to appeal to the more. more mature man. So at the audition, which is a disgusting way to say it. The sophisticate Jack Jack, yes, absolutely. Me with my mahogany pipe and my leather dancing boots. And this makes so much sense, not your dancing boots. It's that at the audition, Victoria stood out,

dressed all in black with a crop top showing off a tanned midriff. She was a product of stage school and sang Mine Air. The showstopper Liza Minnelli performed in cabaret, which also makes a lot more sense because it's not the most sing-songy of songs. But it gives the essence. And that's what she needed, though. She needed to provide an essence to that. And she had a good enough voice and she had a good enough dancing ability.

Although I will say, I'm just going to go ahead and say this now. Apparently, her mic is never on. Of all of them, she is the one and she openly admits that her mic is never on. Well, she's the one who didn't come back for the most reason to her, which it didn't seem to miss anything with the music. doesn't sound any different. No. I'm going to say, though, I don't blame her. Initially, I was like, oh, because I even remember that being a thing when they announced

the reunion tour. She doesn't need the money. She doesn't need the money. She did do the reunion tour the first time. It's like, I already did this. I signed on. I'm sure she's exhausted from performing that same set of songs that, I mean, she's done it a thousand times.

You have to love the stage. I am a stage tour. I would always want to go back. Because you also have to remember, though, they, as much we all know the Spice Girls. Almost everyone knows at least has heard of the Spice Girls before. They only have three albums.

Yeah. And one sucks. One of them is really not really good. But you know what? They're great performers. Now that we've done this, I would totally go see them. I think it would be a fun show. Oh, 100%.

Dude, 100%. And also, so Mel C also came in immediately with the athletic vibe that they were looking for since she had a background in dance and also quote unquote looked the part. So Muff Fitzgerald who would later become the Spice Girls PR. I just love it. Muff Fitzgerald is I think my new favorite name and I'd like to name a chinchilla Muffich Gerald. It sounds like a sexual position. You know what I mean? Muffet Gerald continues to say despite her initial boyish image in many ways she's probably the

softest and warmest of all five girls. I will, and she's saying, I'm so excited, a 1980s classic from the Pointer Sisters. I think in everything that I read, not one thing of any kind of upset or any barbs were thrown at Sporty Spice. Mel C. seems to be the ultimate peacekeeper of just like, let's just have a good time. Let's have a good time. Well, they just make it like a photo

Hangy-Langely. Especially Mel B from Leeds who is just, like, in the documentary that was watching and also the illegal copy that we had to hunt down

of Spice World. So weird. Didn't have, and I'm usually, I am a slut for closed captions and there was no closed caption either one. I just kept around and be like,

excuse me? Oh yeah, especially. Oh, what? Especially with scary. Her Leeds accent and she talks, really fast.

You're just like, that was an interview. I know that. Well, Gov and go. A part of actually why she got that scary thing because that accent was so over the top. Also, they were actually going to subtitle her lines throughout the entire movie and ended up not in the end.

But that was actually for Spice World. They got notes from the studio execs. That's very funny. Subtitle her, which would have been so awkward, I feel like, if they had done that. It would have been weird. But I actually really like her accent. I think it sounds cool and kind of punked. Oh, it's sexy as fuck.

Yeah. Except the little tiny wireframe glasses, Jeff kept screaming about the wireframe glasses. Like, she's so hot, but it's like the wireframe glasses just really put you off. I definitely had those exact glasses for about 10 years of my life. Jeff's in the dog house. Yeah, he's in the dog house. Yeah, put him in there.

Because you know what, girl power. Cut his dick off. In the second round of their auditions, the girls were given 45 minutes to devise the dance. to devise the dance routine. Now, Melcy, Sporty Spice, couldn't be there because she had tonsillitis. The girl that was there, Leanne Morgan, was replaced by Melcy

because she was doing a great job in the second round, but they found out she was 23. Ew. And that was too old. Even though the caper was 23, they still replaced her in the third round. Why is she even still walking around? She's not ashamed of her body.

I mean, it is really gross that she would be that old. and actually show up. And try to dance. And so apparently Mel B immediately took, so there was 12 girls in the second round. Mel B comes in, scary spice, takes the lead, and Bob Herbert told them to bring

another girl up to speed. So this is when Jerry Hollowell is brought in because Jerry was not a part of the first round. She missed the first audition. How did she get this? Do you know? How did she get... She says, I actually missed the first round of auditions.

So you have to remember. This is Ginger Spice. Ginger Spice is the oldest of all of them. But she is also the driving force of a lot of things of protecting all of them. So she comes in for the first audition. She misses the first round. She says, because I was visiting my grandmother in Spain, but something told me to ring the managers behind the ad,

Chris and Bob Herbert from Heart Management, to ask if they were still looking. And they were. Essentially, she called them up and was just like, I am coming into audition for this. And sent them over a copy, like essentially a picture of her. a sexy picture of her and was like,

I have this experience, I'm coming in to do this. And they're like, okay, so they just bring her in. And also the same with Sporty Spice, who missed the second round, but that's really who they wanted. And she was young enough to be malleable. So that's why she's brought in for the third round. Which is usually why these kind of guys bring in the youngest possible,

like the, you know, the Britney Spears of the world, because they are literally clay that they can shape into whatever they want. And then they get trapped in Little Girlland in their head for the rest of their lives. And this is why this part is also a little scary too in Little Girl Land. Because before Baby was brought in, before Baby Spice is brought in, Michelle Stevenson was the lost spice was the fifth. So she was chosen as a Spice Girl. And why did she leave? She was asked to because of her quote unquote commitment issues.

So in the documentary I was watching. she's interviewed and she says, I was the one at university, the intelligent one, as it were. They all thought I was going to be Smart Spice. One of the reasons she left a band was that it was not the kind of music I wanted to be doing. It was very, very pop. But also, it's because Chris Herbert straight up just told her to leave.

Because she wouldn't finish, she wouldn't leave school. Because she had like classes and stuff and he wanted to control them. And they did actually for a little bit before they brought Emma in, they tried to bring in an actual baby. But the baby couldn't learn the choreography in time and it kept crying due to the demands of the Herberts. Later the baby would say, I'm just a baby.

Why are they trying to have me dance and sing? I can't even believe I can talk in full sentences like this. I know crazy words. I know the word extraordinary. I know the word pontificate. I don't know why. I'm just a baby. Yeah, but man, you know what the problem was

with the actual baby? Not sexy enough. all sucking on a lollipop. Right. It's Baby Spice's fault that I always wanted to be able to sexually suck on a lollipop

and give a come hither stare and that is something that I will never, ever, ever be able to do. Well, I think you should do it now. Sucky suck on. I think you should start wearing really high on your head,

pig tails. I think it's a good idea. Sucking on the lollipas. I'm going to say I actually really like Baby Spice's outfits. I love Baby Spice. Yeah.

The carrying the baby dolls and the toys around is a little much for me. The movie is like, the thing that probably holds up the least of everything in like the film is that personality being on any level okay. What I like to look at it as though is she is making fun of the Britney Spears thing. The sexy baby thing. I try to look at it like that and then it becomes a little bit more acceptable.

More palatable. And also it is, it's not done in a, like, no offense, there's nothing wrong to in a strippery way, but it's very much an innocent version of that where people are charmed by her, but they're not going like, hum it, hum it, hum, hallo, la, ha, la, la. Talk to me like a little girl, yeah, yeah.

Yes, and that's what I think that's what I love especially about the movie, but just their personas in general is it's something that I think that we really saw with Mariah Carey as well, where they were very sexy, but they were being sexy for themselves, and no one was telling them how to be.

sexy. And I didn't, I did not appreciate that when I was younger because I was not, I thought it wasn't cool, but looking at it now, and knowing all of the other pop singers during that time that were so sexualized by much older men, they really held on to their own sexuality. Girl power.

Girl power, which is obviously that's a corporate both of us don't know. Girl power. Or like Russian. Girl power. Well, yeah, this was, this opened the doors for the new wave of feminism, right, where you could You could wear revealing clothing and be sexy and also be treated with respect and be a smart, individual, assertive person.

And those two, that line was not, there was no dividing line there between those two aspects. No. And even though they were technically created by some dudes, they really took the lead with their own personalities. And the sexuality really felt like their own, which you can't say about a lot of the girls at that time, unfortunately. And we're going to get to it really soon, but they prove that they, They earn that by the way that they handle those two dudes eventually. Right. So we'll get there. Yes.

I want to do like a brief rundown of the ladies in their backgrounds really quick. And then we'll pop into essentially the year 1994, this intense rehearsal year that they have. But before that, Victoria Beckham, of course, originally Victoria Adams was born in Essex and raised in Hertfordshire. And it's essentially what you would think. She had parents who founded an electronics wholesale business. which led to a very comfy living for her. And she had a love of music that was sparked by the film Fame, which I want to go back and watch now,

because I don't think I've ever seen fame. I want to live forever. She said she watched that in 1980, and it was, you know, it's a musical drama that follows a group of teenagers as they go through a high school of performing arts. Very dramatic. When she attended St. Mary's High School, she was embarrassed by her family's wealth

and begged her father not to drop her off at the school. And the road, and the Rose Voice, the author kids will do what they did, which was bullied the shit out of her. They bullied her quite a bit. And this is the worst part, too, is that she's seen. And when you're watching the early Spice Girl stuff, and she was not overweight by any shape of the imagination.

But it does show, it does make sense later on of why she struggles so much with eating disorders. Because she even wrote this, she wrote a letter to herself when she was 18. years old, which she read aloud and says, you are not the prettiest or the thinnest or the best at dancing at the Lane Theater Arts College. You have never properly fitted in. You have bad acne. You think the principal has put you in the back of the end of your show because you're too plump to go in the front, which may or may not be true. You haven't forgotten about being bullied at school,

have you? But the thick skin that you've developed then is already standing you in good stead, and it will do so for the rest of your life. She was ripped apart for being fat. I don't know if that's really a motivational letter to write to your own. No, it's very upsetting. She said, yeah, about her time in school before Lane Theater Arts. She said, children were literally picking things up out of the puddles and throwing them at me. And I just stood there on my own.

No one was with me. I didn't have any friends. So that's before she goes to the Independent Performing Arts College Lane Theater Arts, a school in Surrey to study dance and modeling. And she later joined a pop group called Persuasion. to sing backing vocals before going to an audition she read about in showbiz magazine. I wonder what that one would be. She also,

you can definitely look up persuasion on YouTube and hear a song by them. And I see a very er-young photo of Miss Posh Spice. So next we have Melanie Jane Chisholm, aka Melcy, if you're nasty, or if you're main to me. I don't know what that was. grew up in Chechshire and her parents split when she was just four her mother had been singing in various bands

since she was 14 so she grew up in music which makes lots of sense because I think she has one of the strongest voices of the group after high school she studied dance singing drama and musical theater at Doreen Bird College

of performing arts in Southeast London which is where she saw the audition notice in the stage. I wonder what notice that could be Melanie Brown Brown, aka Mel B. If you want to be

Leigh... Sweaty, sweaty spices, slipping and sliding. Mel B, if you're a bumblebee. Buzz, you see. He is spicy. Okay. You drag it. Mel B grew up in Leeds,

which we already talked about. So whatever, her father is from the Caribbean and her mother is British. Mel B studied performing arts at intake high school in Leeds and then went straight to pursuing a career in entertainment at first working as a dancer. How old was she at the time? Do you know when she, I know I'm putting it on the spot

by asking you that? Do you know how old she was when she showed up? 19. She was 19? That makes sense, right? She went straight out of high school. She went right out of high school and also she is the other strong female.

Not that they are not all strong, but she's a strong open-mouthed presence that really butts-heads. Her and Jerry. Jerry. But also there's speculation that they had some sort of a romantic relationship at some point, which is kind of back and forth. Yeah.

I think that sounds like just another masturbation scenario that you've created, sweaty. Yeah, exactly. It was fascinating to see how much Jerry Hollowell, who were about to talk about how much creative input she had. She seems to be the leading force, especially when it comes to writing the music, writing the lyrics, writing songs, coming in with ideas,

day. And also again, like I said, protecting them and making sure she was, even though she was only a couple years older, but she was the only one really that had ever lived. I know that Mel B. had, but it's like posh, they continually were saying that Melcy, Posh,

and Baby had never really lived outside of their parents' houses. They were kids. Yeah. How old was Jerry whenever they started? 22. Oh, ugh. Throw up. That's so old. Can you imagine that being too old? What did she show him in a walker to the audition?

It sucks, but like that's what they start doing to you. But it's always in these scenarios where they want you to feel old. It's like the creepy old dudes want you to feel old at that age. That's so insane. And sometimes you don't understand that until you've gotten past that point. You're like, oh no, my brain was still fucking jello at that point. Oh, yeah. Ladies, if I have to hear the word old one more time,

I'm going to slip my stomach open and eat my own guts out of it. No, don't. It's disgusting to hear that word be said so many times. You're going to be too sweaty. You're just trying to hold the knife and the knife's going to slip out of your hands. I'll try to fix it with some other words. Youth, young, smooth skin. Oh, thank God.

Well, now I can be juicy again. Juicy spice is back and busting. And that's what I say about how juicy my body is. Oh, my God, juicy spice. Your chair's all wet. Oh, no. I just imagine Bendie Spice just does a backflip off of the chair. Yeah, I did.

Too bad. None of you can see it. But I did it. Beni Spice, I just think like Fantastic Four, like the, what's his name? Oh, yeah, the stretchy stretch. Yeah, Mr. Stretchman, Mr. Fantastic. Jerry Hallowell grew up in public housing in North Watford. Her mother is Spanish and her father is a Finnish descent.

I did not, I was surprised to see that her mother was Spanish. I never picked that up on. She looks so like gayly. It's the fake hair. die. Yeah, it's the fake hair. She went to two different all-girls schools for her education before going off to work as a nightclub dancer

in the Spanish island of Majorca. She also, she was a presenter on the Turkish version of Let's Make a Deal. Which is crazy. She was gigging. She was gigging. She was just saying yes, everything hitting the ground running really hard. And she was also a glamour model, and of course that is where we get to.

I have to mention the page three girl model shoot that she did the nude photos. Because I remember And that was a huge deal at the time. Unfairly, I think, really. I mean, in the mid-90s, that sexuality, again, was really treated differently, especially for women. And it wasn't even like she was doing, like, it wasn't even like pornography.

It was topless. It was very tasteful. Tades. It was also just, I think, one of the very first big internet sensations like that. Internet had just started. And that was one of the very first, like, whoa, you can see the girl on M-Discan. TV on this thing. No man, she was just spicing up your life before it was cool to spice up your life. Exactly right.

And also I just have to mention that, yeah, so she was a page three girl in the sun at the age of 19. And that's where those pictures come from. Page three, if you don't know, this is such a weird old thing that finally got. They got rid of it finally. And I think the 2010s, 2011 around that time. but page three was a British tabloid tradition of featuring a topless woman on the third page of various magazines that started in 1970

and finally it was recently, too recently, honestly, deemed old-fashioned and they got rid of it. But it was like every, and I remember when I was in London doing study abroad like for college, like yeah,

it was so weird. I don't understand. You mean just the third page just has a topless woman on it? Yeah, just had like a naked woman. That's like where certain, and certain women became very famous from page three.

I've never heard of this before. You're a page three girl. So it's kind of like how page, we know what page, when someone says page six, we know that's the gossip rag page, right? Well, in Britain, page three was like, that's where the funnions are,

I'll call them. Oh, yeah, but you know, you ain't crying when you start feeling. I cry. I cry when I see it. Oh, yeah. Well, I mean, it just depends on what you're into. Absolutely.

But what about Emma, baby spice? Emily Bonton, the most British. named of the group. She grew up in North London. Her mother was a karate instructor, which I love. And her father was a milkman,

but the two split when she was just 11 years old, she went to a Roman Catholic primary school before enrolling in the Sylvia Young Theater school to study aucting. I didn't know they still had milkmen in the 70s and 80s. Hell yeah. Yeah, you can see, especially in Europe.

Europe's old school, bro. They kick it old school, dude. They still know what they're doing. It's fun. It's better. They still cobble and, shit out of there. Yeah, they got like cobblestone streets and all. Yeah, that shit. Yeah, not us. I say put my chili on my dog. Yeah, get rid all that nature. Gross. Yeah. If a dog bites your leg off, you get it

replaced with like a wooden one still, like just a wooden little. Awesome. Yeah. I want to be just like Captain Hook. Except that's, does he have both legs? No, it was just so. Oh yeah, the crocodile, right. Anywho, she got some early work appearing as a mugger in the soap opera Eastenders as well as a sex worker in the drama series to play the king in the early 90s. And it said

prostitute on the Wikipedia page and I just want everyone know, I changed it to sex worker. Thank God he brought it up because how were we not going to give him his accolades? I thank you for me being brave. So how did Baby Spice come to be Baby Spice? So we had talked about Michelle Stephen

and earlier, but it was actually the Spice Girls' first voice coach, Pepe Le Maire, recommended her because she had worked with her in the past. Muffin Pepepe is a woman, actually. And she was invited to audition and sang right here by American Girl Trio SWV. And Chris Herbert said she was very cute, very nice,

with a sweet voice. And she had been brought in on recommendation from Pepe because Pepe had worked with her in the past. Now, apparently, what's kind of cute is that she and Mel B immediately bonded the first night that she was brought in. This is after they're already living together because they ate a big midnight feast of scrambled eggs, and Mel B was just excited because there was actually another girl

that joined the house that liked to eat. And I thought that that was a fun thing to bring up. I think probably they all liked to eat, but then could not because of. the brains in their heads that were being told that they were gross. You gotta see. So they go from this audition into being put into a three-bedroom house that they all lived in. Yes.

And Pepe says it was very important for them to all live in the same house for them to bond because if they're going to make it together, they would be together all the time. Why didn't they give them a five-bedroom house? And it was crazy. So Jerry was the only one that had her own bedroom. And then it was baby and Posh Spice in one bedroom And then it was scary and sporty in the other bedroom Is that already pitting them against each other? Yes.

Why? And it made sense because it's like even the way that they had like The reason why Posh and Baby stayed in the same room together Is at least what it seems like the room was filled with like stuffed animals And stuff like that and because both of them had never really left their home before. It's making me creeped out a little bit. And then in the Mel B was all of watching Raw Spice. and the Mel B and Mel C's room,

it was like the room was bare except for a red light. That the whole room was red. And then there's Jerry's room. And Jerry was just like, I said I'd never live with anybody else. And so her whole room just filled with clothes. That was a good southern accent for no reason.

I don't need it. I don't want a remit. Oh, she didn't want the roommate. She didn't want the roommate. But the others did want roommates. Well, they didn't. didn't really want them, but they didn't really have much of a choice. No one wants to remain. There was really no, there was really nowhere else to go. Their place looked

disgusting, and they were forced to, they were, they were forced to perform or rehearse every single day, and they worked for an entire, what was it, Holden, like an entire year, but only on four songs. Yeah, so the songs were being written for them. They were, I believe, four of them. They were written for them by folks that Bob Herbert had enlisted, and they recorded these demos in the studio during their first two months, but they were working the whole year rehearsing the performances and stuff. The songs were referred to as quote, very young pop, including one song called Sugar and Spice, which is where their name would eventually come from. Hallowell apparently came up with this, and eventually there was a rapper named Spice,

right as they were really trying to get their name out there, so they attached the girls to it, so to be Spice Girls. Because at this time, they were being called Touch. So the band was called Touch and that is what the herberts wanted them to be referred to as. Yuck. So they were all given a weekly wage, but it was almost nothing. To the point that Jerry was the only one that had her own agent at this point, John Sacks. And John Sacks said, I saw her during this time and I said, Jesus, Jerry, do you want a sandwich? Because those legs are so skinny.

She was just boobs. They barely had the money to eat. So they weren't really eating. And also at the same time, you put five strong women together. in a house, make them rehearse, and none of them, like, they're starting at zero. Pepe LeMere says constantly of, like, they had no, really, like, Melcy was one of the few that, like, she already had, like, the great singing chops, but the rest of them didn't really even, they didn't know their scales, they didn't know, like, because they were children.

They were children, because they never, so they had to learn from the bottom up and, and be, like, kind of just beaten into getting these four songs, not literally, literally physically, beaten. No, but emotionally beaten. And they're also all living together first time out of their house and all of them start to fight. Of course. Mel C. apparently was almost removed from the band because she said there was a little scuffle between myself and Victoria and I was told if that behavior ever happened again, I'd be out. And I think that a lot of this control, as we will start to see now, they were put into this situation on purpose. It sounds like a reality show. Yes. Yeah. They were put into this on purpose to see if they had not only what it took, but also

then they had to stay in line or they'd be booted. This whole time, all of this work, they are not under contract. Yikes. So at the end of 1994, December of 1994, Chris Herbert sets up a showcase, and this is actually a giant launching off point for them. According to one article, I read Mel Biff, songwriter Richard Biff-Standard into the showcase who later said of it, it was a bit of love at first sight. They were just fantastic, straight away.

It was there. It was there for a second, and then it became Australia. Chris Herbert had this to say. Pretty much all the writers, producers, came back to us and said, we want to work with them. These girls have got something magic. The girls put.

put on the most amazing performance. They held together and turned it back on the writers and producers. It was as if they were auditioning them to be writing for the girls. That was a switching point. The band will be coming in charge. Oh, wow. Switch it up in the air. Turned into a bit of a wringo situation.

It was a bit of wringo. Now, Standard is someone that will stick with them through all of this and will keep writing music for them. So this is the beginning of their relationship as well. Standard and his partner, Mike Roe, who had already been put on the map by writing the hit song, Steam, which was performed by East 17, they had the ladies over for a session, minus Victoria Adams who couldn't make it.

Standard said, I'll just say it normal. I was quite intimidated by them. We needed to write something about that. And from the very, apparently, and this is what I hear a lot about just sessions with the ladies. It is they are so hard. to wrangle. They're all just like, it's very chaotic. They're all yelling and joking around and having a laugh and they're just all over the place. And apparently from the very loud. But then also screaming at each other. Yeah. So apparently from the very loud creative session, the lyric, if you want to be my lover, you've got to get with my friends, appeared betwant's standard. He became fixated on it as a chorus. Jerry Hallowell said,

we started off simply mucking about with chords and raps. Right from that moment, I think, think we all realize that this was something special. It happened so naturally that the song seemed to symbolize what we were about. And I would definitely agree with her on that. That is, that's definitely, I think one of their strong points is even if it was chaotic to make that, the music, the manic energy they have is really infectious. Yes. It draws you into them. Oh, yeah. And again, that's what gets lost in the third album. And I think that I want to keep relaying back to that because it's this chaotic energy because I was talking to YouTube before we started about how just eclectic and all over the place, those first two albums are stylistically, tonally, and everything. And then the

third album comes out and every song kind of sounds the same. It's incredibly produced. It's all coming from this one specific direction. And then you go, no, that's not what they were about. The fact that there was a rap in there. And then they did a jazz number. You know what I mean? Yeah. And then there's like disco elements and there's R&B elements. And so this That's why Spice Girls are such magic is because it is a fusion of all five of them, but also separate. It's like, you know, it's like the Great American Melting Pot versus the Canadian Mosaic. This is much more of a mosaic. And this is also.

Of characters. Yeah, it's another reason why Baby Spice didn't fit in because the baby was like, I don't know what any kind of music is. Googie Gaggy. That was the thing. I can't put the boots on. Googie Gaggy. OG Baby Spice, which is called, did release a. solo album later called the original Baby Spice.

Googie Gaggy, Manajotois, fantastic. Oh, that was a rough one to sell. But it's really good. His back is really uncomfortable. And then, yeah, yeah. Suck my binky, you ho. That was another fun one. Yeah, surprisingly angry that baby.

I get it. Piss on mama's nose. It's because their gums hurt all the time. Yeah, that's true. When you're teething, you have a lot to be mad about. And that's why I just love everything. The energy that comes from the Spice Girls, so at this point in time,

they have these men that are telling them, no, no, no, you're touch. So we're still referring to them as the different spices at this point, but they're not even there yet. They're still touch and they're learning these four songs. And this is around the time that we realize that, well, that they start realizing, that they are keeping them under lock and key,

that heart management is so that they are able to change the lineup whenever they want and what Chris Herbert said about them so that they're always hungry for it, always on their toes. So now they're going to break free from the Herbert's.

I love that it actually sounds like they pulled off a heist. I almost wish this was in Spice World. This is actually, and it starts before this too. Yes, it is. It's just like the Spice World. Because they had actually As they start recording these songs So before this part Jerry was the one that wanted to be separated

From the herberts She says she knew how to work the room Because she was the oldest and had the most experience And was like oh these guys are manipulating And was aware of the fact that they weren't under contract Yeah they had not signed a contract Really important detail The only thing that the heart management had

was their master recordings at their office, which is why Jerry, Mel B, and Mel C, they go to the Heart Management Office to somehow, and this actually works out, somehow get the master recordings from the Herberts, and while Victoria and Emma went to the recording studio they were working out of, just to grab whatever belongings they had left there as a group.

And then after that, they literally had no ties to the Herberts and were able to break off and do their own thing. Well, and they actually, they did that after they had gotten the Herberts to set up their showcase for them. Yes. So this is why it's so smart. So they got the masters after they had convinced them to put the money in

to get a bunch of industry insiders to come and watch them perform so that they could get all of the connections out of it. This is why Jerry was so fucking smart and still wouldn't sign any of the contract. So after the showcase, the Herberts give them a contract to sign because they wanted them to always dress the same. They wanted them to be touched and to not have any individual fashion ideas and they wanted them to only sing covers

of other people's songs. Weird. And that's what the contract was going to say and so since they had already had the showcase and they had already met all these industry insiders and now they've got the master recordings of their songs. They're like, actually, we're not gonna.

And they said, fuck you, go power. Go power. Still. does not sound pretty. Girl power. Girl power. Let me mansplain you to how to say Girl power property.

Good power. Girl power. Girl power. But also I just need to say this real fast because this grossed me out. A quote from what I wrote down, Big Fuck Chris Herbert in Raw Spice says, I don't think they're the best looking girls

in the world, but they're kind of attractive and unthreatening. Which is what he had said about putting them all together and why he thought he was such a genius. Wow. Oh, he is so smart. But you know what? Actually, in this sense, they are sort of the Spice Girls fake story of them coming together and creating themselves.

They really did kind of do that. They definitely did because that's what Holden and said earlier. Jerry was the one that came up with the name of the Spice Girls. They're basically, if they just added at the beginning of the movie that they all came together because they were human trafficked together and then they became friends, it would have been pretty accurate. I also watch maybe they'll do a reboot of Spice World

later on because I want to see the real story. Well, I want to see a dark edgy one. The dark Christopher Nolan directed reboot. Yes. They were called Spice but everywhere they went to they said they were called the Spice Girls in reference which is why they ended up just being called the Spice Girls.

Oh, okay. And so it takes them a few weeks. Apparently they were even working out of Jerry's cars like an office. and they eventually end up signing with Simon Fuller at 19 management in mid-1995, and Simon Fuller is really going to take their career to another level. Fuller puts the group in the studio while shopping out record deals, record labels, until he and they landed on Virgin Records after quite the battle between labels. A lot of labels really wanted to sign the ladies after their big showcase and everything.

They were signed to a five-album deal with an advance of $1 million. There was a big party thrown, and I love it. this little tidbit. The ladies, a limo was sent for them. They filled the limo with five sex dolls that matched each member of the group and then they made their way to the party themselves not using the limo. I love it. And apparently Simon Fuller was persuaded to sign the group to his 19 management company because he had just heard the demo of the Spice Girls. He didn't even go see them at the performance showcase that they had put on. And it was something that was more of a low-key R&B than what they were actually ended up doing.

But he was the one that assisted in helping them become the like pop icons that they wanted to be. And I also like that it was like, go into the studio, do your job, I'll do my job and get the business and not be all weird about like what they're putting out there, which is the fact they were given this freedom at this point is really amazing. So you have some other key players. Emma Poole from Virgin's marketing department was assigned to a scientist. be their creative manager.

That not only oversaw the styling and marketing of the group, but also served as she also served as a confidant. Pull said, I had the most intimate knowledge of what went on and became extremely close to them. We'd be there trying on the clothes, and I would be hearing their sob stories. The girls themselves phoned different local recording studios to get info on obtaining a new producer for their album.

They end up landing on Elliot Kennedy. They just showed up at his, again, I love these stories. They're a maelstrom of energy. Yeah, totally. It's crazy. They showed up on his doorstep. Jerry Hiloel just said,

you don't know us. We're from a group called Spice. We don't like our management. And we're leaving them. Will you work with us? And so that's, so they ended up getting the Spice Girls onto the airwaves.

Essentially, this all came down to a woman named Nikki Chapman. And she approached the whole situation with a nine-month plan. Chapman said, want to be was one of those records that people thought might be big but i don't think anyone realized how enormous it was going to be so we didn't rush into releasing it we really did work out a strategy and what we were going to do so that we knew when it was released it would have the ultimate impact and it really worked out for them she really is i hope she's just been a very high paid person ever since then one approach to this by the way was leading up to the release getting them into the tabloids and one of the ways they did that was by climbing all over a horse statue at a racetrack, and this led them to being run off the grounds by security, got them in the papers. Spice World, anybody? I mean, it's actually, that movie's actually kind of accurate.

Yes. Even the aliens. They later trapped a journalist in the ladies room and sang wannabe for him. And also Chapman hooked them up with their first TV appearance on a Saturday night review show called Surprise Surprise and got them a media. I don't want the second surprise. I'll stop at the first surprise. I know, really. And yeah, it was called Surprise, Surprise. They ended up meeting with its producer.

And again, they stormed into the place and they sang for her. And that's what got them on the show. The appearance was in the May of 90s. The appearance happened in May of 96. And they snagged them an audience of 12 million folks. And honestly, that's how they got on the radio. The radio refused to play them.

The radio separate from TV. did not get it. And at the time, that was the only way you really could get heard was like the radio, the individual radio stations would have to play you. 100%. There was no SoundCloud kids. You had to wake up

in the morning and go walk out that door and you had to get it yourself, okay? Child that's listening to this. Non-adult that's listening to this? Unless it's the OG Baby Spice in which I will milk myself and warm that bottle and let's get to talk and write in some music.

Now, this is around the time that they get their spice nicknames. Did you guys know they didn't give them to themselves? What? Mel B. says it was a product of lazy journalism. No, I've heard everything. Peter Lorraine, who ran UK magazine and TV show, Top of the Pops, ran a feature story on the group in July 1996. Mel B says

He couldn't be bothered to remember all our names So he just gave us nicknames And we were like, oh well that kind of works I don't mind my name, do you like your name baby? Posh, we were like, let's just go with it, you said So now Lorraine and his staff came up with them out of convenience I'm not going to do another one No, it was actually not that bad

Thank you Posh was the first one to be thought up because Victoria looks pretty sophisticated The rest were pretty easy really because the girls' characters were already really strong The names just jumped out of us. We laughed the most when we came up with Scary. Jennifer Crawthin, who was also from Leeds,

came up with that one because Melby was so loud and had tried to take over the whole photo shoot. It's like a baller name too, because you have to be really confident to have the name scary. Yeah, dude. And then she goes, ah, she does have a lot in the movie, which is interesting. And they had to actually fight with Virgin and Fuller to get One of Be on as the first single,

which I thought is interesting. So they really did just do everything their way. They wanted Love Thing to be the original single, and they fought against it. I do remember, and that we're about to talk about the wannabe music video, because it really was, I think they're being great-through moment. Maybe it's that that's because, to me, that was my first meeting with them was seeing them in that music video on TV. No, I think that was true for almost everybody. Yeah, me. Oh, yeah.

And there was something about it really stood out. There was a lot of, I feel like it. There was nothing like it. Yeah, there was nothing like. everything was so generic right around that time with especially pop music videos pop and rap music videos and they were really trying to do something with this

where it seemed like they were trying to make it seem like one long extended shot which I don't know I was also fairly young but I don't think I'd ever seen something like that before no no it was definitely jump into the modern time it was like it was forward thinking

yes for sure but this is because and arguably this worked a little bit against them with spice world, depending on how you view that film. This was because they just flew by the seat of their pants every second of every career move.

But no wonder they were getting so drained so quickly too, because they were putting every part of them into every single thing that they did. They worked their ass off as we'll talk about it when we get to Spice World. Director of video at Virgin, Carol

Burton Fairbrothers said anything to do with the Spice Girls seems to be out of the She would usually spend months and months planning and looking at different directors for a music video. But it said, Fuller just said, hey, I want to go with this unknown at the time Swedish director, whose biggest credit was an ad for the fashion line diesel. And Fairbrother, after given the script for the video, said, From the early outset, the girls had a clear and concise idea of what they were about, and they were absolutely sure that this was what they wanted to do.

Jerry Hallowell said the idea for the video was to recreate the same energy and dynamism that we showed when we crashed into record companies and did the frenetic hard sell. We invaded places and left people breathless. We had to bounce through the place, singing wannabe and sweeping away the cobwebs. And I think that's such a good, what a smart approach. Well, it sounds like that's actually how they got anywhere. They were storming places and that's what they're doing in the video. they're like breaking into the old people's party. Yeah, it's great.

It's like with their personalities and every, just like, and like all of their different clothes. Like you can't take them in in one glance. No, but it's such, yeah, it's intoxicating because you're just overwhelmed by color and sense and sequence and go.

And go boobies. There's so many boobies. They're, yeah, and so they're closed, by the way, I mean, it's all cheap,

low-cost items, very quickly purchased. They put together, yeah. They put together. By the way, the video was shot through the night in very cold weather, which is why it is banned in certain parts of Asia. My virgin hated it. Why?

Because the virgin hates it. The girls were freezing cold, which showed itself in various different ways. Oh, I wonder what ways. The video was later banned in some parts of Asia because of Brown's erect nipples. Additionally, the lighting was considered too dark and gloomy. The vest takes showed the girls bumping with the verticals. and looking behind them. Virgin was also worried that music channels would consider too threatening the fact that old people appeared in the video, the part when they jumped up on the table and Hallowell's showgirl outfit.

That's so stupid. Virgin opened discussions about a reshoot of the video or to make a different one of the U.S. But the group refused and the video was sent for trial airing in its original form. So dumb. It's nipples. Everything has them. All of it's stupid. Even just the idea that them storming in was going to be threatening.

Because why, because they're women. Is that why? Well, the part for me that I'm surprised at, I always thought it got banned from the Asian places because of it. I feel like even by the time wannabe came out, they were just so old. Too old. Just like, get the walkers out. Bring the OG baby back in because yuck.

They should cover up their bodies because they're so wrinkly. I want my babies, boys, babies, boys, babies, boys. I can't believe it took you this long in the episode. To come up with that one. I was my British baby spice back. Oh, God, I would drink that baby's blood just to be as a youthful person again. Of course, after releasing the song in clubs and making the radio station rounds, the single wannabe is released at number three in July of that year

and would top the charts a week later and stayed at number one for the rest of the summer. And the single went on to sell four million copies. and this is when they become this giant, explosive worldwide thing with the album, Spice. Also the fact that they knew what they were doing, dude, apparently Mel B said writing wannabe took about 10 minutes.

Mel B was the one that came up with the Ziggazzaa line, and it was recorded and written in less than about 10 minutes. She says, we were listening to an old Shaggy Reggae song and we were like, oh my God, we have to do something annoying like that song. So they themselves wrote it, right?

Yeah, yeah. They wrote Wannaby. And apparently Mel B said she wrote the rap for wannabe. And the only quiet place in the house they shared in the water closet. Is that the toilet? I was like, hold it a minute I want to go off to the toilet and rot to crick grip. I made a little tinkle and was rotten and I came up with that. Water closet is what they call their piss house.

Yeah. Piss house dog. But they call piss wee. The wee. Tick-tinkle we. Come on, guys. It's reel it in, guys. Oh, sorry.

Numerous mailings. Girl power. Let's be serious. Yeah, let's be serious about girl power. Please. So, Elliot Kennedy, I believe we mentioned Elliot Kennedy, with Elliot, they put together the tracks, Love Thing, and Say You'll Be There, with the duo Paul Wilson and Andy Watkins. They were very unsure about working with the group at first.

They heard their songs. They were like, we don't think we get this. They eventually worked together and put together, who do you think you are? And the song, Naked, among others. and the group was involved in the writing of all the songs with Jerry Halliwell in particular coming in every day with a notebook full of ideas. Watkins said, Jerry would come up with the concept for a song. Typically, she'd sing one line, and the girls would pick up on it, and we'd pick up on it,

and we'd pick up on it, and then Malsie and Emma would be very active. They'd really like to sit and sing melodies and go off and come up with little sections. And Victoria, she would sit in the corner, and she would pretend she was in there. anywhere else but the re i'm just getting i made up that part but i was i never hear her name when it comes to like writing songs or really being involved in any way musically with the group i do think that that was kind of her that's her character is like being glib and just sort of because again all of their characters were based on their own yeah personality i didn't and she apparently was raised with fuck you money so dog i think this is a kind of fun little fact the harmonicist judlander

can lay claim to playing on two classic songs, Culture Club's 80s classic Korma Camelian, and Spice Girls' second chart topper, Say You'll Be There. Ah, Say You Be There's great. Great harmonica solo. Wait, say you'll be, is that the one goes, I'm giving you everything. I didn't realize there was harmonica in that.

Oh, yeah, there's a harmonica solo in it. Yeah, it's a harmonica solo. Oh, Mary, can you play it? Because I don't know what it is. So on the business end, They decided to share equal songwriting credit on every song to show solidarity, which I think is really cool, but also maybe not smart in hindsight. While also, they did, however, have the foresight to see how the business was changing

and made it a point to split publishing royalties with their collaborators, as opposed to giving that up, which is not normally the norm. Normally the norm was like, you get money from doing the live shows, we get the publishing royalties. And they were like, no, no, no, no, no. And that was very smart for that time. So following wannabe, they released Say You'll Be There in October, and then To Become One in December, both of which hit number one respectively. So now they are just massively household names.

And also, it was still, and it still is. It's difficult for British bands to conquer the American charts, but the Spice Girls did it. Just like in Britain, their debut single, Wannaby went to number one and their first album shifted 10 million copies as well. in, it's, like, especially for their first album to immediately come over to America and also absorb our charts as well. Yeah. It's nuts.

Crazy. And, and. Global phenomenon. And it was. I mean, we remember it. It was, Spice Girls. I do. Even though I didn't listen to it, I have a very distinct memory of seeing that music video.

Took over the world at that point. And then they appeared on S&L and then Princess Die. Unbelievable. Oh, ruined your church. November of 1996 is when they released Spice, by the way. By the way, it does go on to be 10 times certified platinum. That is Khorazza. So now they're really getting into the Girl Power stuff.

The group performs who do you think you are to open the 1997 Brit Awards. And this is where Jerry Hallowell appears for the first time in that famous Union Jack Gucci mini dress. Oh, she looks so good. And I love this because it was initially just. a black Gucci dress and Jerry felt it was too boring so she had her sister stitch on a Union Jack tea towel

to the front which I couldn't imagine asking someone to like mangle a Gucci dress I love that she did that. I love that they did and it's very funny I love that dress but it's funny they call it a dress because it is in fact a bathing suit. Yes it is very yes it is very tiny it may

as well have just been the tea towel this is also when they start really realizing the sexism in the music industry. So this entire time, and this was what Mel C says about it, we were told that girl bands don't sell. We were going into magazines

and meeting editors who told us they couldn't put us on the front cover because we won't sell the magazines. I always assumed that the idea of girl power and everything that they put in was something that they were told to do by their management team. And it wasn't.

This all came from them and how angry they were, that they're like, why can't we as women be just as big as these other boy bands? And now one example of this sexism

was revealed when behind the scenes footage of the Spice Girls on the set of a 1997 Polaroid commercial was leaked on Twitter. So they were dressed in school uniforms for their parts

as Harrow Schoolgirls. The band could be seen losing their tempers when a misogynist director demands they show their cleavage and mid-drifts. Marching up to him, Mel B.S., was it,

you? Why do you ask that we show that? Why do you ask that we show that? And she points to her body. And he says, it's every man's fantasy, he replies, Sleeously, before adding, that's showbiz. However, he didn't bank on the rest of the spice girls turning up to back Mel up. Jerry, pointing a finger in his face, slams him as a chauvinistic pig. Meanwhile, Posh Spice, appearing out of nowhere, does what she does best, schools them in fashion. She says, it's not sunny, pulls his sunglasses from his head and says, stop trying to look cool. She then walks off to try and give them to someone else, offering them to anyone willing to pay a quid, as Ginger Spice says the director really should know better at his age.

And we love that. And at the end of the clip, both she and Mel refused to shake his hand as they do the rest of the crew. Naturally, he looks more than a little abashed. Could it be that he's finally learned his lesson? So this is them really starting, like, they are a force to be reckoned with, and they will not be put down because they're women.

And Mel B says, we realized we had something really important to say. It gave us even more determination to succeed because we realized very early on we weren't just doing this for ourselves and each other. We were doing it for girls. Being told we couldn't do something was like a red rag

to a bull to the spice girls. Yeah, good power. Good power. And so in 1997, they released their manifesto girl power. Did you guys check that out at all? Did you back in the day when you were little girls yourselves? But I will say my first screen name was Flower Power 98.

So probably had something to do with this. I want everyone to know that every time I say Girl Power, I am doing the double piece hands up in the air. Aggressive. So yeah, they also caused a lot of controversy at a performance for the royalty of Great Britain when Mel B. and Jerry kissed Prince Charles on the cheek and pinched his bun.

There's video of it. There's video. You should look it up. That's a good. It's supposed to do it. She punches his ass. So now we move into Spice World. The film and album, what a, what a crazy leap.

What a wild charge into the next section of their career. It's pretty amazing. And in very early meetings with Fuller, however, they were already talking about doing a movie. And it makes so much sense, this is their hard days night. And if you think about the, British tradition of pop bands, this is such a part of it. It's doing that, especially

for the type of energy they're bringing, which is quite Beatles-esque, early Beatles-esque, when you look at it in the sense that it's like this fun-loving, they're all... Young, definitely young, not too old. There's sex icons,

but they're rebellious. You know what I mean? It also has a very British, British style, British air about it. something that's not American where it's just like let's play a song and we'll dance in a field and we'll speed it up kind of thing. It's great

I love it. I love it. Oh yeah. Again it's very different. I don't know why Spice World has been scrubbed from the world. Yeah by the way so if you do one who watch Spice World you have to either purchase the DVD on Amazon or steal it because you cannot watch it any other way. The stream. I was like I wanted to give it money. I would have paid for it. Let me take my money. I don't have voodoo.

Sorry. I don't. No, you can't even with voodoo. No, I downloaded it. I tried with voodoo. Don't let them lie to you. That was a trick. It was a lie.

I do not condone pirating content at all. I do. Whoa. Member of Screen Actors Guild over here, you're taking money out of my pocket. And my own. I'm also a member of Screen Actors. You dummy.

But you might have to. steal it if you want to watch it. And I do think you should watch it because it's a really fun movie. The plot revolved around them trying to perform their biggest show yet at London's Royal Albert Hall while a tabloid newspaper reporter spies on them and their best friend

went into labor and Ginger Spice kissed an alien. Those aliens are weird. Gross. I don't like them. Yeah, the alien part's great. I was so happy to see that. The pregnant Asian woman though, I am like, come on, guys. It's very funny.

obvious, like, they needed an Asian person to be like, we're friends to the Asians as well. And then she's pregnant. It's like, they're all young and like having fun. Because we support. We support without our friends. Friendship never ends. She was also a token poor person. Yes.

They were like, we still like poor people. The whole thing is so funny. It's like, guys, this is so obvious. Can we reel it in just a little bit? To get to this wacky script, though, I will say, they were first working with Disney. I want to see what this script was because they out. rejected the script Disney tried to give them. And then Kim Fuller, who is Simon Fuller's brother,

wrote a script on spec that they would end up going with. And the producers for this was a new company called Fragile Films. So again, it's like the director of wannabe. None of these people have experience. Kim didn't have experience, I don't think, really writing scripts. Fragile Films was brand new. Fragile Films, though, was co-run by Annie Lennox's husband, who Simon Fuller also managed.

That was his other big name under his belt. And the ladies all had input, but again, it seems like Jerry was the one. Jerry Hallowell was the one coming in, very fervent about what idea she wanted to go into the script, all that stuff. Barnaby Thompson, co-producer, had this fucking shit to say. The Spice Girls managed to somehow be popular and also hip at the same time. So literally everyone we ever asked to have a cameo in the film, they'd say yes. I love it. would ring us up every day with other people who were sort of offering to be in the movie.

And this segues does segue Natalie into just the, I could not believe the cameos. So great. The cameos. That's what, it's just, you got to give them. Please check out to my world of you have not seen it. It's a delightful romp filled with a very, the fact that these celebrities, because you could tell, they've got no fucking money. There's no money really in this movie.

It is truly wild to think about. Obviously, they had to have written a script for this, but it's crazy to think that a human being sat down and wrote the script for this movie. I was like, yeah, this is going to be where the aliens want to come to your show, and this is going to be where the bus is bigger than it should be on the outside, and then you guys are going to live in an honor castle for a little bit. But it's self-aware, and meatloaf is in it, and James Bond is in it. Roger Moore, Meatloaf, Alan Cumming, Elvis Costello.

Elton John, Bob Hoskins, Jules Holland, Hugh Lorry, and Stephen Frye. All in the movie. You're missing the most important one, which is the guy who plays the tabloid photographer is Richard O'Brien, the creator of Rocky Order Picture Show, who is also Riffraff in Rocky Horror Pictures. And also the person, I believe it was either the director, I forgot, I meant to write this down, that worked with absolutely fabulous because also there was an ab-fab moment in there as well, which made me so happy.

And apparently, Richard E. Grant's nine-year-old daughter was a fan of Spice Girls, and it was the only reason why he took the part as the Spice Girls manager, Clifford. He said that was despite his concerns about his acting credibility. And she said, and his daughter said, no, no, you have to. You have to because I want to meet them. So I did. And she was so thrilled. I had school playground credibility for about two semesters.

And then, of course, you dip into the other side when they go, no, I was never a spice girls fan. But now that generation has all come back around again saying, yeah, we love the spice girls. And I really did identify with that because I thought that I wasn't allowed to like the spice girls. I really thought that it wasn't cool. It's just growing up as hard as shit. I know, dog. So, yeah, Simon Fuller loved the John Cleese-helm British television comedy Faulty Towers, who Robert Spears directed on. And that's why he brought Robert Spears and who also, of course, did absolutely.

fabulous episodes. This is very telling. They did not rehearse really at all and would very happily jump off the script whenever they wanted to. Jamie Curtis was a co-writer on the script who said they were excellent. They really were a force. They were terrifying. Particularly if you were a man.

If you walked into a room and it was just the five of them, you would literally turn around and try and get out as quickly as possible. I love that. I love that a lot. They were improvising so much that the script supervisor almost quit. She, the, Simon Fuller had said about them, you needed to catch them at the right moment when the energy is there. They're not going to do 20 takes of one line, you know, so you had to think quickly on your feet. In the Spice World documentary, Mel Beacon Fest that she and the girls interpreted the script.

She said, we contributed our own little sparkle on top of it. There were sometimes when we just say the lines wrong just to make us laugh. But apparently Simon Fuller then said, the script lady went berserk and nearly resigned because we kept changing every. There were a lot of flowers and we consoled her for a while and everything was fine after that. That of course is a problem because when you're trying to keep continuity going. They won't say the line the same. But if the actors are like the stars, you kind of have to just dance around them. So it would make the crew's job pretty impossible.

And the album was being made while the movie was being filmed to the point where they had a mobile studio on set to work on songs when they weren't shooting. Barnaby Thompson said whenever they weren't shooting, they were recording songs, and they were delivering songs. Spice Up Your Life, I think we all heard that maybe 24 hours before we shot the scene. The whole thing was like that. Simon would just say, don't worry, we'll have a song. And we had a song. It's nuts. They said, Simon Fuller or Posh said, it was quite good doing the album at the same time as the film because we were always hyperactive after a day on set. And that meant we could go to the mobile studio and vibe off each other. So they would film during the day, and record at night. And it's just, how do you keep it up? So you think about this. At this point, they have been going nonstop for three years. Yeah.

No breaks. Right through. That's another big, we're about to get to the hiatuses and stuff. And that's another big reason I feel like where they just went so hard for such a short amount of time that that's why they ended up just like piecing out so hard after this period. I love this quote from Mel C. This is about years later watching the film again.

She said, I went through many years where I couldn't bear to watch it. But my daughter had a birthday party a couple of years ago, and she was having a movie and a sleepover. And they wanted to watch Spice World. I sat down with them and I actually really enjoyed it. I laughed out loud. It brought back so many memories. And I think enough time has passed for me to be able to watch myself.

We were so young and so much has happened since then. But you know in a way it is brilliant. It's very tongue and cheek, very silly. And the thing about really that I really realized was there was so much of us in it. It was very, very real, which I love that. And also very self-aware. The bus scene, when they're like, well, we don't have the money to show a bus jumping over a bridge and they just have the little car do it.

It's great. It's so silly. It's so silly. And I think it really did capture how much. manic their energy was. Definitely. But in a really fun way, it's not like, it's a very innocent version of it because it's not like a cocaine-fueled movie.

No. They're just, they're just energized and are happy. In fact, they make jokes about how innocent their fun is. Yes. And the fact that none of the movie was about getting laid, about finding something to fuck, like it had nothing to do with any of that. It was just about them performing and them being. being together as friends.

But also, what about their fashion? And what about those assless chaps? Oh, my God. The assless chaps are great. That outfit, the purple suits those men are wearing and that dance scene is amazing. My favorite is the full astronauts uniform. Oh, my God.

It's so good. And it was the film's costume designer Kate Karen said in an interview with InStyle Magazine, this was not a normal movie in the sense that you have a story you tell with costumes. It was more like a fashion. showcase. Hell yeah. Because almost every single scene you see them in, it's another excuse for them to have different outfits on. Yeah, that's why I like the Sex and the City movie. It's great.

Exactly. So the album is released as a soundtrack to the film and features the singles Spice Up Your Life Too Much Stop and Viva Forever. And I really dig this album. I actually maybe like it. It's really fun. Yeah, it's a little, it's even more playful than the first one and it's just so dynamic tonally that I actually really enjoyed it going back to it and felt just so, I don't want to say proud of them, but just like, it's just like really amazing that they took so many risks in the studio. Totally. That last track, that last track that is like just straight up a almost like a New Orleans style, like jazz ragtime song.

It's all over the place and I love it. Yes. It's so crazy. It's just like, what? Okay. That's how, okay. Like, I love it. I love that kind of risk taking.

But, of course, all good things must. End. The group starts receiving some media backlash over how many sponsorship deals they signed. We all remember their Pepsi stuff. They were very big. But they signed over 20 sponsorship deals. So that was like, I think that again, they're just doing so much,

too much all at once. And that leads to overexposure and problems. After performing in the 1997 MTV Europe Music Awards, they decided to break off from Simon Fuller, again, which a lot of people speculate was the beginning of the end, since he did really him and so many other people, but seemed to have a very helpful hand in making them the success that they were.

At the beginning of 1998, they went on their first world tour. However, this is around May of 1998 that Jerry Hallowell steps away from the group because she was claiming she suffered from exhaustion and needed a break, which I sure was true. In the 2007 documentary, they really talk about

that time period in which they were just with her one day and she went, all right, goodbye, everyone, see you later. And then they thought that was weird. It was a weird because they never say goodbye to each other because they always see each other hours apart. And then she just did not come back. And they had to go on to a TV show that night without her. And the woman was like, you're missing someone.

And they said, oh, she's not feeling well. Feel better soon, Jerry. And then because they had no idea what to do. Wow. That's crazy. Later she would say about this, I felt I didn't belong anymore. They didn't need me anymore, really, and I definitely felt very redundant. But she also said she was, quote, being a brat and even apologize for exiting in 1998.

Yeah, but she doesn't apologize until their reunion table. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I mean, you got to imagine at that time, though, even though she was so old and gross, she was still, like, youngish, kind of. Whatever with your talk right now. It's like be 20 years old. Or go to the moon. I just wish we could send these olds to the moon.

I know, really. But that's an emotional and mental place that would be almost impossible to deal with. And I bet you she had a little bit of a nervous breakdown. I'm sure. And Mel B says that there was intense fighting within the group at this time. Because this is the peak of their fame in the late 90s. While she acknowledges that the women were like family, they had a five-year plan from the start

and that they all eventually wanted to pursue their own separate interests. So this is kind of their way of saying, well, if she's going to go, and also most of them are battling eating disorders, especially because of the insane pressure they were under to look a certain way. The late 90s were, I know that there's always

lots of rough pressure specifically. I don't want to say specifically for women, just for people, just beauty standards in general. Oh, sure. Late 90s, early 2000s were particularly... They were brutal. They wanted you stick-tile. But they wanted you also to have abs and, like, big titty.

But no arms, like no arm muscles, but the abs and the huge breasts. That's what people wanted. Can you guys stop giving me like a big fun boner right now? Everything you're saying right now is just making me be like, oh. Gimme, gimme, gimme. Give me. So, but this is the forever album that we've been doing. discussing this entire time. It's the only album without Jerry. Well, before that, though,

you also have to throw in there. In late 1998, Mel B, who ends up changing her name for a little while to Mel G. She ends up marrying dancer Jimmy Golzer. That's why she changed the B to the G. And Victoria Adams, they both announced that they're pregnant. Victoria Adams would later get married to the father. Of course, we all know soccer player David Beckham. Posh and Becks. And later that year, they would have this very lavish and highly publicized wedding. And so this, again, forces a full-on break. They have an eight-month break. They get back into the studio and now it's late 1999.

Their whole thing has died down so much at this point. And I think that they, in a misguided way, and without Jerry and without Simon Fuller, they're like, we need to take it into a more mature direction. They work with Rod. Also, they change up their looks and it's a choice. I will say it's a choice. Well, again, at this point, like, we were just saying a lot of them were dealing with shit, like, eating disorders. Yeah. Especially, is Mel B sporty?

Yeah. Mel C is sporty. I can't fucking remember. Mel C was deeply bulimic during this time and, like, really trying to deal with it. And I think that that just shows in the music and in the performance of just them just not knowing what to do with themselves. Right. And actually, Mel C said, I tried to make myself perfect. Whatever I deemed perfect to be and I ended up making myself. really ill. I was anorexic for a few years. I was exercising obsessively, and I ended up being incredibly depressed. Yay! So yeah, they work with Rodney Jerkins, Jimmy Jam, and Terry Lewis. These were producers who were working with acts like Brandy, Deskies Child. And we remember Jimmy

Jam from Prince. Yes, Jimmy Jam from Prince. But yeah, they had a very specific sound in pop music at that time, and that is what this album sounds like. And I just don't think it suits what made Spice Girls so much fun and so special and so great. And everyone thought that the last, that the single from the album, the last song that's on the album, Goodbye, was written either as a farewell to Jerry or as a farewell that the band was breaking up. But Richard Stannard, who wrote the song with the girls, said it was actually about moving on and saying goodbye to the old Spice Girls.

It wasn't goodbye to Jerry. It wasn't really literal. A lot of that song was written when they were touring in America. We wrote it in Nashville. So I think it just has that sentimental feel to it because everyone was kind of homesick and knackered. But it's nice. It puts a button on their career having the last song

on their last album be called Goodbye. Yeah. Yeah, because they were, of course, transitioning into being called the Spice Olds. The Spice Old, old, elderly moms. The Spice Crows, I believe, is what they had settled on. But eventually they would announce a reunion in 2007, followed by a worldwide tour.

That is when they had the documentary Spice Girls giving you everything put together. There was also a jukebox musical of Spice Girls songs titled Viva Forever that was written and produced in 2012. This led to a second reunion, which led to them performing a medley at the 2012 Summer Olympics closing ceremony. And most recently, Brown, Bunton, Chisholm,

and Hallowell did a tour together without Victoria Beckham. Which, again, we said this earlier. Why would she? She's got a very full life and a very full career. She doesn't need to do it. Yeah, you have to love performing. And I always got from her, she was the least interested in that part. Very introbertie.

But also, like, again, you already did one. You already did a reunion. Like, what's going to come out of doing it again other than if you need money? Do it, man. Do it. I say fucking do it again. I want them to do it until they're like 85 years old. I mean, for sure.

I just get her thought process on it. Oh, yeah. We all would see it, though. That's the thing. Yeah, I would totally go. I would have a lot of fun. Well, I think we did it. We did it, guys.

It was a wild ride. It's a long one. Good one. Because that's the thing. Again, so much. And we are talking about most of this time period. This all happened in about five years. Mm-hmm.

And a shoot up and a shoot back down. Except we didn't even get into the whole fact that they all went and had their own. separate solo careers doing different things. It's not everybody's back because I definitely am way more into the power of all of them together and especially since, you know. But, you know, their fall downward was not one of those spiral crash landing downwards. They just sort of dissipated and got themselves better and mentally in their own ways and had their own lives.

And they were, it was very, again, fairly innocent. There was no deep like drug issues. Well, I think it's like, it's essentially like going back to the UK version of the office versus the American version of the office. Yeah. Both are amazing. But one was three seasons in and out, fucking, excuse me, two seasons. Solid as fuck.

Yeah. And amazing. The other one is long, there's ups, there's downs. All of it together is an amazing television show. I think it just really depends on how you look at it for their specific careers. The Spice Girls are an insane success. And we never have to. to watch, and they continued to be.

And we didn't have to watch them all truly rip each other apart. Because they stopped it before it got there. Yeah, yeah. We love you guys. This was great. I hope you enjoyed. And I hope that, you know what, take a trip down memory lane. If you dug the Spice Girls or never really got into them, have a listen because you know

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