Page 7 - REEEEEEWIIIIIND 2000

Episode Date: August 5, 2021

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That's like what What what all along Let me see that Well I'm sorry Miss Jackson I am for real How does it feel Ooh get into it Do you remember those fucking love handles on DeAngelo?

It's my life and it's now. She's so lucky. Oh, wow. She's a star, but she's a cry. A lonely heart. Oh, my God, from last week to this week, what a change in Britney Spears. But don't worry, we're not just talking about Britney Spears today. We're all talking about in the year 2000.

And Holted apparently said that he sang that on the Whizbrew in the year 2000. The year there was 2000. It is, I can't, every time I think about the number 2000, I think of Conan O'Brien doing that segment on the Conan O'Brien show. And we were all yellow. Ew, that's not how they sing it. It wasn't me. It wasn't it to the wind. It wasn't me.

Now that just makes me think of Lil Nas X where Lil Nas X, well that's current nose, not 2000, but he was like talking about like people giving him shit because young people quote unquote shouldn't listen to his music. And he's like everyone was walking around singing it wasn't me when we were all 12, 13 years old. I love to with his new music video coming out.

He was like, hey, just want to send the memo out. This ain't for your kids. Like, so funny. Just like, hey, just want to remind you all parents out there, like, just before you get all fucking mad at me for no reason, this isn't for your kid, you were your kids. No. But you know what wasn't also? The real Sims 80, please stand up. Oh, Slim Shady!

I was such a huge Eminem fan at this time. I think there were some devilette, definitely. Even I, by the way, around this time with that album released, I was like, all right, can we? we maybe drop these, not the kind of F-bomb one normally thinks about, can we drop these other ones and like, do we have to, does it, you're so good of rapping, does it always have to be in this one lane of like, you know, like being awful to people in ways, but even, but that said, I was a huge Eminem fan and by the way, we're talking full party holding at this point. I mean, I am in what, is it junior senior year?

Oh, yeah. Let's do our jump back. All right. So you just see your senior year, Holden, please. give us set up the tale of your year 2000. So I graduate 2001, right? So that, I'm class of 2001. So this would have been,

this would have been like junior year ending and senior year beginning, right? Which was the shit, because if you remember senior year, I don't know about you guys, my senior year, we got to leave campus for lunch. Wow.

And my mom's such a host. And it was really funny because we definitely would most days during senior lunch break go straight to my house because I lived like a five-minute drive from school and chain-smoke cigarettes. And my mom kept the freezer. I can't believe she did this in hindsight. I would never do this for my son's kids or friends or my kids' friends.

She would purposely stalk the freezer every week with enough frozen lunches for like everybody. Oh, that's so nice. Yeah, it was like amazing. But what's so funny. It was what a slap in the face. This is exactly the situation I'm in right now. My mom, so sweet. We so evil.

We're literally like going there to. to smoke our cigarettes, which I know she hates, and we're there to just be bad kids. I remember there was a couple times, at least one time my buddy Ben. No, that's the thing. But she wasn't there because they were both, they were working.

They were at their job. So, oh, the worst is if they did decide to, like, randomly come home and we don't have to, oh, fuck, oh, fuck, and, like, throw the cigarettes. Yeah. But also, I remember my buddy Ben Ap's was so funny. Because he was a bad kid, he ended up skipping a grade, and I will get into this.

Okay, because he was a bad kid at, He ended up going to public school, was like really, you know, a bad kid during this years. We're smoking. I know, right? Because public school is horrible, right? Horrible and evil. No, I was jealous, actually. Public school represents a way better situation.

But he was just doing ton, like way more dry. Like he was tripping acid at school and just being like crazy. And so they end up putting him into a sort of summer like military school almost and had to take classes there. And because he took classes there, he ended up skipping a grade. and he was in Queens College at this point. So he is a college kid all of a sudden now with way more freedoms than he should have because actually he's the worst of us

in terms of being a bad kid. But I remember at least once he showed up and got us all stoned in the middle of the day. Like, he was like at college. Like he was like partying with his bros and his college dorm at this point. It was so surreal. It was so weird.

Like all of a sudden my friend Ben, who's technically I think younger than me was like a college kid way early. It was so bizarre. Anyways, that said, I mean, I am just getting hammered. We're playing in the band. It's very fun.

And I'm just drinking the pain away, I guess, at this point. I'm interested to see what big news stories happen because it's all kind of, to me, like, just a haze. Yeah. I'm, like, doing the full, like, get me out of Charlotte. Whatever I need, whatever drugs I need to ingest in order to, like, forget about the pain of existing so I can just go. somewhere else. Also going to concerts and stuff. I mean, definitely, and starting to think about college and, like, visiting my buddy Christian's older sister at college and seeing what that was going to be, like getting a foreshadowing. My brother's at college at this point, too, right? And I think

I visited him at some point at UNC Chapel Hill around this time. And again, was like, oh, my God, all you do is like, listen to fish and smoke weed and eat wings in the middle of the day. Like, this is amazing. Like, do you even go to class or is it just a facade, right? So anyways, I think that's where I'm out. What about y'all? All right, I'm junior, senior year. Where are you guys at? So for me then, if you were a senior, I would have been a freshman. So this year was transitioned from eighth grade to ninth grade. Actually, honestly, I don't know about y'all, but middle school fucking sucked and I was way

happier to be in high school. Well, this was my last year of middle school. So I'm still in middle school. Nightmare. Eighth grade, a wash. Yeah. Eighth grade just wanted, I just wanted to be dead every second. I absolutely agree with you on that, by the way. But it's insane is that different from the last one that we just did in 1998, in the year 2000 is when I was starting to, all right, so we've had a couple of years of listening to like the boy bands and the Britney Spears and trying desperately to get into it. But then there starts for me the big new metal phase in my life. And this is when I started, big.

Because this is the year that Papa Rojas, This is my last reason. And that is when, like this is, and this is also the year when bye-bye-bye comes out. So this was a big transition year for me as well when it comes to music. But out of popular music into different popular music, but subculture, quote-unquote, popular music, even though now looking back, realizing that it was all the same monoculture. Same exact for me, but it was punk.

like I see that Green Day's minority is on this list and I was like, I want to be a dog. I liked Nimrod a lot. Actually, I was like kind of done with Green Day for a minute there because they were like my number one for like three years. I think all through middle school, they were like my number one band. And when you get so obsessed with something, you kind of turn on it after a while because you're just like, I can't hear this anymore.

But Nimrod brought me back legitimately a great, great, but I think, you know, I'm sure people disagree with me who are younger than me, but I think it's the last great Green Day album. Yeah. So like, but it was a good time for, for like, right,

again, it was still, it was still monoculture, but it was like, because I wasn't really into any actual subculture, but I was into punk and identifying with things that were slightly less mainstream and that. And this was,

similarly, from 1998 to 2000 here, I was, I actually was, as I was looking at pop culture shit, I was like, I was less of a total hater, but I was still like a,

I don't like what other people like. Right. I like what only what punk's. I definitely, prided having, in my opinion, like a unique, interesting taste of music. And in hindsight, it was like so not that. But I will say, great time to be an outcast fan, baby. I remember, I mean, I am, dude, so many memories too are just listening to Equim and I, driving around. I know Stankonia, I believe is the album that came out this year, but listening to Equimini, driving around,

damn, damn, going to get Jack in the Box just with a fucking fat bowl passing around the car. that was what we were doing. We were just literally like, fuck it, let's just drive around and just... And this is what I was going to say about why I realized I think middle school was so bad besides just the awkward puberty stuff.

It also is just this intersection in our childhood where like we have the least amount of everything. Like we have the least amount of freedoms but we're like not allowed to be kids anymore. Yeah. Like we're just so tightly wound because there's like nothing really for us

in terms of going out and getting entertainment besides maybe the movies, right? Like, it's just not, we're just, we're,

we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, kids start getting cars,

you start getting cars, you start getting better curfews and just more freedoms, right? And then, you know, it's just that weird intersection of like, you're an adult,

but you're not. Yes. You know what I mean? And just how shitty that was. You're like, well, fine, if I'm an adult, then let me, like,

not have to just be at school or home 100% of the time, but like, or let me be a kid. Yeah. let me play on a playground and like play with action figures, but no, no, no, shame, shame. That was one of the things I remember from middle school.

I forget how late, I mean, I was a late bloomer in a lot of ways. And one of my saddest memories I remember was, uh, my mom packed up all my action figures while I was like not home that day and like packed them all up and put them in like the attic, essentially saying like, you're done with this. That's me. This is not for you anymore. I know.

And then I pulled and I felt deep shame about it, but I pulled some of them out and played with them one day and then hid them under my pillow and I came home like, or came back to my room later and they were pulled from out of my pillow and placed on the bed essentially saying like, like, I know what you've done as a child. And I felt so embarrassed that I was still playing with action figures, but like, what am I supposed to do, man? Because I'm just like home. I just either let me enjoy the joy of being a child or, or let me, um, fuck. I don't know what. Let me just stay out to one. Like, give me one of the other. Yeah, or let me sit and listen to country grammar.

Going down, down, baby, yoster year, rainbow. Oh, my goodness. Baby, cut in the Atlantic. That was, I loved country. I loved country grammar. I forgot about country grammar. But I also really wanted to be, because talk about, yeah, it's that middle time period of that, like, I wanted to be then smoking weed with my friends in a car. And that was, I mean, eighth grade for me was when I started doing that.

I was a little later than that on. but good for you, good on you. That was the best way. That really was the time, as soon as you started smoking weed and stuff, getting dependency on drugs, which is a terrible thing, I guess. But at least like that just, I feel like for me that said to me, like, it's okay. There's more than just like the homecoming dance and like the collared shirts

and the dumb shit that we have to sit through every single year, every single day. And there's like, we can actually just like, jump off of this crazy spinning rock for a little bit mentally. Yeah. I honestly wish that I had gotten into it sooner because I think it would have been good for me. Because instead I was just like angry and angsty and I had good friends and I was a theater kid and I had a community.

I was like it was not that bad for me in the scheme of things. But I just was still very angry and I felt very like I didn't fit in and I felt angry at my hometown and I felt just just I just did not. and I think I could have used a little bit of release from alcohol or drugs, but I was very sober at this time. Going sober to the roller rink at this time. This is, I know, right? Solar at the rover.

I didn't say roller rink is because I didn't know how to roller skate. I still don't. I don't know how to rollerblade. And so this was a, that was a big year of people going to the roller rink, and I could never go. Yeah. And so part of that was. That was literally one of five things you could do as a child.

And that was, and like, that you could also be dropped off there. So I will say that I definitely lied about going to the roller ring. And that is how I would start, where I would start smoke a wheat. Because I'm like, well, where the hell else am I going to go? So I would just say that you're going to do it and then you don't do it. And you can't. But like even then that was that last, I was the, I feel like my age is the last generation of like in eighth grade, I did not have a cell phone.

Yeah. You could. And so that, but that was also the last point in time that, like, I would get in a lot of trouble. Yeah. Because then I, my mom's like, I just had no idea where you were.

You were gone for 12 hours. I had no idea where you were. Yeah, that was. I was, imagine that time when you'd just be gone for 12 hours. Yeah. You didn't have the cool kids. Well, at this point I'm in high school.

It's a little different, but I was always at Pats, whether I was or not. And Pats was the cool hangout place. Usually I was actually at Pats. Because his dad, I like at least his dad wouldn't party with us, but it definitely facilitated an atmosphere for it. Like, he would be, he would always be in bed asleep by like 10 p.m.

He knew we were, you know, I think he did it actually kind of right. He was a little bit of an enabler, but at the same time, he also was like, do your thing here. Yeah. I'm not going to like check up on you. I'm not going to make this a hostile environment. Like, do your thing. I know you're going to drink. I know you're going to do these things.

He didn't outwardly say this stuff, but this was kind of the vibe. But like, just be here and do it. Don't go to some horrible playing. Driving around. Especially, at least, at least there's Ubers now. You know what I mean? But even back in the day, I mean, there was no option but to drive drunk

if you were gonna, you know, so I spent the night at Pats. High school, being in middle school and being able to take an Uber. Yeah. That would be amazing. That's a, you could take an Uber. Like, I remember.

It's a little dodgy taking an Uber alone as a middle school. Or no, you go with other, like you go with friends. I feel like then it would be like a certain age. Because like, even just as you're saying this, and I believe that it was probably the year 2000, about-ish, of Henry and Henry being dropped off for his first date with the girl in the car.

And my mom's driving and I'm in the front just like, blah, blah, like screaming or whatever. Yeah, yeah, awesome. And that nightmare, that at least you could probably take an Uber now. Oh, I will definitely have a, like, we will definitely be setting up an account and no questions asked. Uber policy.

Yeah, I think parents probably should be like, right, you have a, here is, I will make an account for you and I will keep like 50 bucks in your Uber at all times. However, if you use it for bullshit, then I'm going to take it away. I don't know, but then you don't want to take it away because you want kids to be safe.

At this time, I'm just thinking all we did, I was freshman, I didn't have a license yet, but if you had any friends who were 16, you just drove around. Yep. You drove around. I was just saying, we just smoke weed and listen to a glim and I.

Or like, fish, or, yeah, I was listening to like Fish, Hoonta, Pink Floyd, which you were here. And the hot dog flavored water. Which also came out in the year 2000. We definitely were, we were, my whole group was officially definitely done with new metal at this stage in our lives.

We were definitely either. Jazz, jam bands, hip hop. Yeah, we were, you know, we're snooty with music. Another kind of interesting contextual thing for me, just personally, seeing, American Beauty won the best picture at the Oscars, which in hindsight's A, hilarious. B also means... I'm dealing with an interesting time with my family, my dad,

maybe kind of just coming out of at this point, but might still be in a very deep, disturbing midlife crisis. And I remember American Beauty kind of coming out was sort of like this staple for like kind of what my dad was sort of going through. He didn't want to bang a cheerleader at my school, but he definitely was going through a similar-ish thing that the main character of that film was going through in his like cookie cutter, like situations and he was like he lost his job for a while

and just was in this kind of clearly in this place where he was like, what am I even, what are we doing here? Like where am I at? And that was a very challenging time for me at home, especially because like I was alone in that stuff and that was definitely that kind of stuff where I was like, you got to leave and go to college brother,

but I was stuck and trapped and dealing with some of the hardest years for my parents. And that was hard on me. And I'm surprised they made it through it even and are still together. It was a tough time. My dad's now fully recovered. Definitely alcohol was a big issue around this time as well in my family with my father. So yeah, it was just a very challenging time at home.

But I had like a really good friend group to kind of escape it all with. So that was really cool. but just a weird, weird time. Like, I feel like in a holding pattern, a lot of ways for what would hopefully be an explosive college life, which was, but that first year of college was such a letdown. I don't know about for you. I thought, like, my life was just going to change so amazingly. And I found myself my first year of college kind of feeling the same as I did in high school, like a loser that's, you know, never got the girl. Like, it took another year before I broke out of that.

But anyways, this is such a just, yeah, just a fucking. wicked time, I think, in terms of growing up. And I also feel like, it's interesting having just done 1998 and now doing 2000, because I just feel like everything gets just like a little bit darker. It's like American Beauty, Requiem for a dream. Angelina Jolie and Billy Bob Thornton becoming like this evil couple.

And by the way, also Brad Pitt and Jennifer Anderson get married this year as well. Oh, man. So for golf celebs. Remember that red carpet where they're there. like Billy Bob Thorne and Angelina Jolie, they're like snake people and they're just like, we just fucked in the limo.

And you're just like, all right, guys. I keep a vial of her blood around my neck. All right, you vampresses. We get it. You're evil. But anyways, yeah, it was a dark. Yeah, it was a dark. I think the bubble gum poppiness of the past couple years

was just starting to grate. And we were starting to, it was starting to rear its ugly head a little bit more. And this is essentially the beginning. of what we get to eventually in 2008, right, where we fully turn on our celebrities and our pop music. Well, because you also have to remember speaking of the growing of it

and I set this up at the top, but this is also the sophomore album of Britney Spears. So this goes from 98 into the schoolgirl into Oops I Did It Again, which is, I mean, another huge sophomore album for, like, for someone like that. And you can listen

to how she does grow and change in that small amount of time. But it is a very different album than that first thing. Well, lucky, right? I think lucky was, in hindsight, our first view into her actually being a very troubled person. Yes. That nobody thought that way at all at this point.

Like now I think anybody who's hugely successful, we understand the issues that come with that a lot better in today's society. But back then, you really did look at her as she's so lucky. She's a star, you know, and never saw the part where she's cry, cry, cry. Yeah. In her lonely heart, I don't know. Yeah, that is it.

Yeah, that is it. I also, you touched on this earlier, Holden, it's interesting to think about pop culture under the lens of also where you are at this time period. Because you had said you were talking about the anger of having an older sibling that goes to college. and leaves you at home. And that is something that, like, I've had to process in time of, like,

I, part of my anger was that you left. You fucking left me here, and now I have to fucking deal with it all by myself, even though that is the natural progression of having an older sibling. They're gonna leave. Thank God he left, because it would be very unhealthy for him to stay at home, right?

Was, did your family, like, did your parents get worse, at least in your mind, after Henry left is that, does that maybe happen? Does once they start becoming empty nesters, like weird shit? They were all over me. Because that's the thing, because I think maybe Avery leaving for college, and at this point he'd been gone for a couple years, but things were progressively getting

weirder over those couple years. I think it's actually is that. It's like they start becoming empty nesters, and that's a big spark for a midlife crisis. Because once they're starting to leave, you're like, your 100% focus reality, your day-to-day kind of gets ripped out from under you. And then you have to go back to where you were before you had kids and address a lot of shit that you can easily ignore for like the entirety of having kids.

And then all of a sudden you're back to like, what do I do to fill the hours? What do I want out of life personally? It's time for me to be selfish. They either do that or they latch on even more and say you're never going to go. I need you here. And that is what happened. in my house. Yeah, I'm actually glad that my kids are only going to be a great apart because I'm like, oh, the younger sibling will only have one year where the other one is gone because I was so

lonely. I was like, oh my God, I need another kid in the house. And my house was fine, but I just missed, I missed him so much. And I remember just having my walkman and walking around listening to Goldfinger, crying, feeling so angsty, you know, it was a lot of angst. And that, for me, that, In 2000, this was a great year for me because when I was a freshman, he was a senior. And I, you know, he always was like a real grounding force for me, especially socially. And so I was super happy. Yeah. Super happy to be in high school with him.

But then when the next year, 2001, when he left, I was like very angry again. That's so funny, MJB, is I had the opposite. My brother and I didn't become true friends until he left. And he actually needed to go for us to actually, we were very kind of estranged from each other. I definitely felt like an only child throughout. That's why I won't be horribly bummed out if we do end up just having this one daughter because I actually kind of understand the only child thing

and enjoyed aspects of that as much as I enjoy aspects of having a brother. That makes sense? Because he was really not a part of my world. He was four years older and our personalities were so different. He was like the athletic one. He was the one with like all the friends in the neighborhood and he rode bikes.

I was afraid of riding bikes. I didn't have any friends in the neighborhood. I was a weird theater kid. I was a weird imagination kind of play acting kid, right? So we just really graded. Music was a connector for us even before he left. But dude, I remember the look on each other's faces when he came home the first time from college.

It literally was an unspoken moment of like, we can finally be friends. We can actually finally be friends. We're not up each other's ass. I mean, we don't live with each other anymore. We're not up each other's ass. and we actually somehow weirdly understand each other all of a sudden. And it was like a really cool thing.

And then he went through a phase where he lectured me all the time. Every time I talked to him until he ended up getting fired and had to move back home. And that stopped that real quick. I remember that. I was like, God, all he does is lecture me. And then, yeah, that changed that. I can't remember if that was around this time. I mean, I know that you were never probably photographed kissing your brother full on the lips

the way Angelina Jolie was in the year 2000. She really had a big year that year, didn't she? She had a big year. Yeah, she had a huge... Yeah, because she won the Academy Award for Girl Interrupted, and God, talk about, man, manic pixie dream girl of all of our dreams. And I was trying to look into this to be like,

oh, was something... I remember this happening, but I was like, it must have been blown out of proportion, but I think simply, they just kissed on the lips. And they think of it as just a beautiful... moment and I guess I shouldn't judge. I can see, I give you with a hundred percent. So weird. I've never

No, this is weird. I had a red carpet event and that looks like such a romantic kiss. Well that was the thing too. Is it like, and people are like, yeah, look it up. They're like, he's didn't wrench her or anything. I was like, you're right but like they're like, they are like holding each other and

like it, I wouldn't kiss Henry. I love how evil and like on the fringe she was as a character in pop culture at this time. It was really, really fascinating. Obviously, it goes into overdrive and what, like, when does Mr. and Mrs. Smith

come out in another, like, year or two? Well, it's soon, because this is the year. Weirdness. It's a big kiss. It's a big kiss. Yeah, right. That looks like the most romantic it's a big kiss.

Her arm is around his neck. It is so romantic. Come on. That's undeniably done. Also, I apologize. She won best supporting actress. But he said that he kissed her on the lips because she was about to go continue shooting the movie,

which I remember Original Sin. Do you remember the movie Original Sin with Antonio Banderas and Angelina Jolie? Mamma Mia! And so Angelina Jolie was going to be away for a while. So, yeah, well, my brother goes on tour as well, and I still don't kiss him on the lips. So I don't know.

Oh, my God, but this was the year of Gladiator's release. Yes, gladiator came out. Okay. Sexually? Oh, yes. Every fucking part of Gladiator, I was so into Gladiator. I had the soundtrack on CD that I would listen to, which is just a lot of like, and it was great.

And I would just be like, yeah, I'm getting all amped up for battle. But this was also the same year that X-Men was also released, and that was another big sex thing for me. me as well. Because I consider myself a nerd kid and I definitely was like not enthused. Maybe it was just the culture of superhero movies at that time just was not like kind of known as like, oh, these are like not the best movies usually, right? At that time, yeah.

Yeah, right. And like the MCU is not the MCU in other words for several more years, right? And so every other movie, if not most of them were kind of duds aside from like Tim Burton's Batman and like a couple of big standouts. Yeah, you were really into who in X-Men were you really yow ch'alli, for? Honestly, all of them. All of them. I just, like, every single.

Allie Barrier Storm. Oh, yeah. I wanted all of it. I wanted, it was just, for me, that was a big one. This is a big in my time period of just, I was the horniest thing to have ever been born. And everything I watch, every, as I'm looking through all of these, like, listicles and everything, everything. That year was a big thing for me with Anna Pac-Wan.

I was trying to, I couldn't remember her name. Anna Pac-Wan as Rogue was big, was big for me. I'm having this weird experience looking at these movies, and all of these movies are movies I associate. I was, again, a freshman in high school, but I associate this, these are all movies that I think of in my mind when I think like,

oh, that movie, I think of myself as an adult. That's funny. Whereas everything we talked about in 1998 is, like, childhood. Oh, funny. So I think it's like, at this. time I must have been persuading myself as an adult, you know? Wait, were you also eight, going into ninth? Yeah, this was right.

It was a transition from eighth to ninth, but like, I think it was. I mean, that's the year. I mean, I think it really is legit the difference between middle school and high school. Yeah. And even though it happens in the same year, the person you are in middle school and the person you are in high school, it is an absolute progression. Yeah. It must mean that I, that this is a time that I was right.

And even in my still current memory that I pursue. of myself as like adult current era me relatively connected to current era me whereas like 1998 is definitively child me and now I'm looking at these movies I'm like oh brother where art though that I feel like that just came out you know like I remember it so one of things I've been dying to bring up and just waiting for the moment for it because I think that you know the the key word here I think that we're all realizing that changes gradually over time but was definitely this way back then the keyword is monoculture And I remember like there were so many funny things in our society where like you,

it was like, here's the thing you have to be horny about. If you're not horny about, you're weird or whatever. And I was super not horny about it. Or the opposite. If you're horny about it and you're not supposed to be quote unquote, then you're also weird. Then you're also weird. And for me, that was definitely that infamous J-Lo dress.

It has never done it for me. It never will. I don't understand the constant, the constant, like, the dress. oh my God, the dress. And I get how it's like very revealing in a way that wasn't seen at that point, I guess. But I just, I will, I mean, J-Lo in general, I've never been super hot on J-Lo generally. She's just never really done it for me. Oh, we don't.

But especially the, I know, right? Especially the dress is like so okay. Like, it's iconic and it should be. But at the same time, I just laugh at these, this era of like, these are the things you find hot. Pamela Anderson, the J-Lo dress. You know what I mean? Like, like, it was Britney Spears as a schoolgirl. It's so boring. It's just like, booms. And if you don't find these things hot, then you're weird and an idiot. And it's just like, or gay, you know what I mean? And it's just, I'm so glad I can

finally say like, J-Lo dress, never fucking did it, never understood why everybody was fucking freaking out about it. And it was generally, frankly, frustrated at how I was kind of told what I needed to be horny about by society and pop culture in the media, as opposed to finding it for myself, which we all get to do very soon as the internet is becoming more and more of a thing. I think it was just because it was just as we discussed in 1998, it was just a deeply sexually repressed time. Not that there wasn't really sexy things like Pamela Anderson, but I feel like it was just

a stupid time when we talked about sex in a stupid way. And so Jennifer Lopez showed her chest and some side boob and everyone's like, you know, because we just had such a like, again, puretian. kind of like simple, you know, the mainstream conversation about sex was like that. And that was why, like, Pamela Anderson, although being very mainstream. I was very horny for Pamela Anderson, though, I will say. Like, I was unnecessarily horny about her. But still, it was like, these are the acceptable things for a guy, you know, the Swabs, Sports Illustrated Swimso Edition being like this, oh, wowza, yo, wowza. Like every year, it was such an important big deal for you as a guy to make sure everyone knew how horny you were about that swimsuit edition or, oh my gosh. God, you might be, no, no, no, not. This is a straight, you know what I mean? Or considered that.

I thought this came out this year really quick, but it is actually three years from now. But another good example is definitely the infamous Christina Madonna, Britney kiss, right? As this thing, you have to be horny about this. If you're not horny about these girls kissing, oh my God, you're like weird and strange. But then in the opposite, and there were, it was like little things that they were, like, dip in their toes into trying to become more accepting, like the broken hearts club. and I didn't realize that it came out in the year 2000. I was absolutely obsessed with the movie,

The Broken Hearts Club, and that is Zach Brath, Dean Cain, Andrew Keegan, Timothy Oliphant, Billy Porter, Justin DeRoe, John Mahoney in this rom-com

that was, it was like, at the time, it was a bigger movie because it wasn't, it was like about gay men, but not just about AIDS, or not just about coming out.

Like, they were all on a, like, baseball team together. And it's just about like their time in the city. And I was obsessed with this movie because I was like, this is the life I want to live. This is exactly. And I just watched it over and over.

I mean, also, you know, Tim Oliphant has been, that's been one of my forever crushes. And it was heralded for being one of the first, like, more mainstream movies that. And that's, which is sad. I don't remember this movie at all. Oh, dude, you would really like this movie. It looks great. But like 2000 was such, it has actually got a lot of movies. Because again, this was me seventh grade into eighth grade.

You're starting to watch a ton of movies. It was the beginning of that, but this is also center stage came out in the year 2000, which was a huge movie for me. And another one of those would talk about, you know, I guess not glorifying eating disorders, but kind of glorifying eating disorders. Still, it was like, yeah, the moral of the story was still like you should still look like, what's her name? Yeah, you still gotta look like that. Like, you still gotta look good though, you know.

And also, Bring It On was this year. Bring It On. Yes. Oh, what a good movie. That I missed out on because that was a girl movie for girls. And since then, I think we watched not too long ago and I really, really enjoyed it. And, yeah, totally missed out on that. And of course, I recently went off on bedazzled.

I'm definitely have a TV VCR in my room and I'm definitely like getting, renting movies just to pause them in certain scenes so that I could pleasure myself. But I will say another movie, probably one of the most memorable experiences for me, I did this for Jake, I'll do this for you guys too. I got to school one day.

My buddy Jordan came up to me. It was like, I just saw one of the most incredible movies I think I've ever seen and I'll go with you after school and watch it with you if you'll go with me. It was so good. I know y'all didn't see this movie.

this year. It's also one of those movies that's considered one of those movies you can only watch once. Do you think you know what it might be? In the years? This is your blind item. The sixth sense? No. Oh no. With Ellen Burstyn. Which one? Oh, yeah, yeah. Requium? Yeah. Requium for a dream was that movie. And I saw that movie in the movie theater in the middle of the afternoon after a day of high school. Oh, that I would

have loved to have seen that in the movie theater. Oh, man. It was especially having no idea. I was a big fan of pie already. But having no idea what the fuck I was in for. That was one of the most memorable movie theater experiences of my life. Also, oh, what was the other thing? Oh, yes. Also, I wanted to talk, too, about sea change. I love when I see a big sea change in culture and in, like, media.

For me, it's more on the television end. And we can go back to movies, by the way. Oh, my God, you're talking about the Sopranos? Two things. The Sopranos launched the era of Prestige TV, and on the absolute opposite end of that spectrum, Survivor and Big Brother debuted. Whoa.

So you have the ultimate prestige TV launch alongside the ultimate era of like modern reality launch. That's so true. There wasn't any reality TV in 1998, but it started in 2000. I didn't start, I started in 2003 watching. Real world road rules, but I mean, I don't think, I don't think that that's sort of ushered in the era,

but really I think it's the launch of Big Brother and Survivor that established what like modern reality competitions and whatnot would become. Did either of you guys ever get into Survivor? No. I didn't get into reality shows until Joe Millionaire. Yeah, I was never a Survivor guy. Never a Survivor guy.

I never got into it, but I feel like it's the kind of thing that I would like to go back and start watching it from the beginning, but I don't know if it's worth my time. Also, actually, C-Change number. Number three. This is like such a big year for TV. Adult swim, bitches, Akotene Hunger Force, Harvey Birdman, the Brack show. Yeah, dude. Like, literally like the stoner late night weirdo

programming also launches this year. This is such a huge year for the, what will be, television in the year, in the 2000s. Like, this is a just absolutely massive, like, even television now. It was forever changed. because of this year with these debuts, like really, really wild stuff. Wow, yeah, and it's interesting because sex in the city, as we discussed on 1998, had started, and that was also like,

I mean, it was Prestige TV in a way because it was HBO, and it was like, but not like The Sopranos. The Sopranos was real, yeah, not like, yeah, yeah. And I think like Madman cemented the era of Prestage TV essentially, but like Sopranos is what launched

the idea that, like, wow, I feel like I'm watching like a really good movie in the movie theater, but I'm watching a TV show at my home and it's like 10 episodes, you know? Right. And that really was so novel at the time. Yeah, and I was thinking about this earlier.

I was watching that new show on HBO, The White Lotus. And I was like, man, it is crazy how HBO has held it fucking down as, like, not only championing the beginning of, like, real, like, upper echelon of television programs, but has maintained throughout, of, like, big hits. And it's really crazy.

crazy to me. It's awesome and I'm so glad it happened because it really, especially for us, talking about aging perfectly with something. I mean, it really was the perfect time for me in my life when I'm like looking for something with more depth, something, you know, that's bigger than like friends or TGIF or, you know, whatever. And so between adult swim and Sopranos, and I wasn't really into the reality thing, but you know what? I am now and I don't know if we'd have love at first sight and whatever without fucking survivor in 2000. Definitely not. Yeah, it was an important shift.

Yeah, and how much change that also that apparently in the year 2000 is when like Napster came out. Uh-huh. When like the idea of digital like music sharing was beginning and talk about what a difference of like I remember having my like my disc man that would skip constantly with the by by like the no strings attached album. in it. And I remember that being the last one of my CDs that got really scratched by one of those like horror shows CD, like personal CD players. Yeah, disc man's. And like even my brother, like, his car stereo for the longest time was just a disc man mounted on like one of those little like four your car's disc man mounts that would like move with the car. I had a disc man that had like, you put in a specific disc inside of it that would connect into,

like you would plug something in from the radio into the disc man, and then you like play a tape. It was something there was a tape inside of it that would like make it connect. I don't even remember what I used to do, but it was so crazy. It was so, so crazy. Because I didn't have a CD player in my car. But this also the year 2000 is like the insane year. We talked about Harry Potter a little bit in the last episode,

but this was Goblet of Fire. You talk about starting to get dark. That's also when the Harry Potter series started to get dark as well. I would say that's also when the Harry Potter series became the Harry Potter series. I don't think it was that until this year. I think with Goblet, it essentially made the case.

And also, the movie didn't come out, but they announced the casting of the first Harry Potter movie in 2000, which means that that's about to start happening as well. So with Goblet truly, now people are becoming obsessed, people are dressing up and standing in line for the new book to release, you know, and all that.

And apparently, this is also the same year, where was happened and won a bunch of awards because of like, oh my God, you sold the beer better than other people sell the beer on the big ball game show. And good Lord, the amount of times. How many times in your life,

have you said wah-z-a-ha. Or am I the only one that still says it? So when I was on vacation last week, I was, I don't know how it came up, but was-a-up, came up. And I think because I must say it enough that Gideon said it or something. And so Gideon and his sister are both Gen X, and I'm a millennial. And so I said it and, or he said it or something. And his sister was like, am I supposed to know what that's from?

And Gidea laughed. And then she was like, what's it from? and he was like, wait, I don't know what it's from. And so they both knew, like, they both like knew the phrase was a, but they couldn't remember what it was from. And I was like, am I losing my mind over here? It's from a Budweiser commercial. But then I felt like I was the one, like, I felt like, am I in an alternate reality?

I was like, I mean, I'm 99.9% church from a Budweiser commercial. Jackie says it every single time we're on the phone with each other. Like, all this time I've been remembering this Budweiser commercial. but then I was like, I was like totally spiraling. I was like, but wasn't the Budweiser commercial, the one that went, Bud, was, the frogs? And I was like, what, what's happening? But then we looked it up and we watched the thing.

And it is just a commercial going from person to person saying, what's up. It's exactly what you remember. Absolutely. And it's no deeper than that. Absolutely not deeper. I think another, one of the big stories in these listicles that we're all kind of using to like remember what happened back in 2000,

uh, that I think should be mentioned because it really was now, when you think back, you're like, oh, wow, this person was like everywhere all the time in our face to, to an exhausting amount. Uh, Oprah published the very first issue of O Magazine, which essentially means she was at her, the height of her popularity, I think was during this time.

I think it begins to fade a little bit and into the 2000s, but, um, man, And she was just everybody's everything. I mean, there was essentially a cult of Oprah at this time. And it really, you know, all these housewives at home watching the show every single day became, she was one of the first people to usher in the like true, like, lifestyle guru thing, right? I mean, who came before her that was this end all, I mean, you could kind of say Martha Stewart, but nobody was bigger than her at it.

And they were contemporaries. I think it was the same time. Yeah, but Martha Stewart didn't have the element of like, I'm gonna inspire you, I'm going to like spark, you know. You do it this way or you're wrong. You know, this is how to make a cake. This is how to do this. This is how to kind of be this type of fancy person at the home.

But Oprah was like, I want to, you know, I have the secret. And, you know, I've got like, let's, we're going to do like a certain way of thinking about success. we're going to open you up spiritually. We're going to get all over the place with it. And it wasn't just about like, here's how to make a doily. You know what I mean? It was just very, very like, it was like she was some people,

they were just subscribed to Oprah. And that was their life for a while. You know what I would watch the shit out of or listen to the shit out of? I mean, if you guys did it, is a pop history on daytime TV. Like, because I feel like there, the 90s, it was like, it was like more. and like Sally Jesse Raphael. Jerry Springer.

Look at Dark Side of the 90s. That's that new Vice docu series. Dark Side of the 90s they get into it. Ricky Lake. Ricky Lake. Yeah, and it was all like so exploitative and so like just evil. And then I feel like Oprah,

even though she was also on during that time. Yeah. She evolved. She swooped in and she kind of foresaw that this was, had a expiration date. And then she started just doing this lifestyle thing that I feel like now, a million people do it on Instagram

and using the internet, right? She was really, I think, the foremother of that whole movement, lifestyle movement. I mean, who was really truly doing it at her level before her? I don't think there really was anybody. And so, and you know what? I'm going to say this right now.

We have Oprah to thank for Joe Rogan. So there you go. It's all her fault. Oprah did it. Oprah did it to all of us. I mean, those are the modern day people that are sort of have, have, maybe they didn't think, like,

I need to do what Oprah does, but isn't that kind of the modern day equivalent? People like him who have, like, hours long podcasts every week and who are just, like, constantly like, this is how it is to be, like, a man in the year 2021. Yeah. You know, we hunt and we, you know,

cook our own meat that we hunt for. And we, like, are, you know, but we read a lot. And we, you know, yeah, talk to specialists about science and about, out, you know, but also we watch videos of like monkeys like killing other animals, you know. And yeah, it's the whole idea of like you're not just enjoying a show, you're a part of a whole movement, you're a part of a lifestyle. And yeah, that is something that I think was a more recent development, I think, with, and it really had to do with the internet and how you could

watch, you could enjoy Oprah in the middle of the afternoon, and then you could pick up her magazine and you could go online and go on her blog and never really escape her if you don't want to, you know what I mean? Right. You could always just kind of be listening to and receiving messages from Oprah. And now you have the magazine in your home. But I think that people were probably trying to look for someone to tell them how to live their lives because this is also a quintessential year.

and man, especially right the year before 9-11, but before 9-11, there's Y2K. Yes. And think of like this year of what a release, I imagine. Now, at the time, I remember being genuinely scared that the world was going to end at the end of New Year's Eve in the end of 1999. So, Jackie, all you had to do was down an entire large pint bottle of Shmranoff 100.

around 8 p.m. on that New Year's. And then, Jackie, you would have been worried about anything because you would have been hugging a toilet like myself through that. Oh, I should have. Why wasn't? I know I was just crying. I probably should have been taken to a hospital that New Year's. Talk about what the media did to young people.

Like, I was just young enough to be terrified of it. Me too. And I felt like if I was just like, if we were that age though, MJ, like just a little bit older than nothing's going to happen. What do you think? And no matter what? anyone told me, I was like, we're going to die. And so this entire year, I also felt like, it was like,

or what if we're going to die at the end of this year? And then I was obsessed with, and even in looking at all of these pop culture things, I remember being obsessed with the idea that I think that what if they were wrong and the world is actually going to end at the end of this year instead? And oh, the anxiety that I've always had was just, oh, my God, it's snowballed. My thing with Y2K was that I, and it's funny that I think of like this time as I was an adult because I remember thinking with Y2K that my understanding was, you know, that the problem was, oh, the computers will think it's 1900.

And I remember thinking, well, what if, what if reality also goes back to 1900? Like, what if we're all suddenly like dressed in clothes from the 1900s and we all have to, like, churn our own butter and shit? And I was pretty excited about that. That's kind of what I thought. Oh, you were excited. Why? I was because I was obsessed with old-timey things before when I was a child.

And so I was like, I mean, if we all go back to living in like, like, it's 1900, I think that would be kind of fun, you know? So I'm back. I thought we were all going to have to live like pioneers like Laura Ingalls Wilder. And I thought that that would be kind of nice. Nice. I also, big year from video games for me, we don't have to get too far into it. The PlayStation 2 drops this year. But more of a question for Jackie, because I know you are now a fan.

Did you get in on the Sims, which was released this year for the first time? Did you get in on, not SimCity, not, but The Sims, which I know you're a fan of that game series. When did you get in on it? Did you get in on the first game, that game released in 2000? No, I got in on the second one. I remember that because that was, I would know I was in high school, and I had to play it on the family computer that was in, like, the common, the common space.

So I would be upset. And Napster and everything to. Yes, and I would be so upset. Because I would want to get the added on hot tub, not the hot tub, the vibratey bed, because then you can make the woohoo underneath the blanket. Very fun. So, no, not quite yet at this point in time. I wasn't, I think that this was around the time when I was playing the, no, not

Pokemon. What is Neopets. Oh yeah. Neopets and like Game Boy Color. Yes. Pokemon on Game Boy Color for sure. Totally. You know, I got to say I'm looking at this year in review and I think that 2000 was a vastly

inferior year to 1998. I think that there were a lot of important things that happened as a year. Like at culture, there was all these important cultural shifts. But I just feel like, yeah, I mean, it just isn't as fun. I feel like 1998 was really bubblegummy. I wonder if we'll go back to 99. I think one of the things I love about 99 that was horrible at the time,

but fun to talk about in hindsight, was Woodstock 99, which I think was kind of the death of like music festivals for a long time before Coachella and Bonnaroo brought them back. But it was also the kind of the death of new metal in a lot of ways as well. Whoa.

Like that super angry. This was the release of hybrid theory. Thank you very much. Lincoln Park, anybody? Well, Lincoln Park, is that considered new metal of Lincoln Park? Yes. Oh, okay, somebody's going to come after me for that, probably. No, I won't after you.

I just feel like Lincoln Park, like, almost needs a different name, because it definitely felt like, and I was past being into that type of music by this point in my life, but it felt like the new wave of whatever new metal was for sure. Oh, no, it's definitely the shittier side of new metal. I will give you that, of, like, you know, the three doors down that I was obsessed with. I'd say, you know what, in hindsight, too, though, I would say Lincoln Park was a stronger band with better music than Limp Biscuit and I think looking back. Like, I think that they had a little bit more, they were a little bit more, let's say, emotionally in touch with themselves. Oh, Lincoln Park?

Yeah, Lincoln Park than Limpin. Limpisket's literally just like, why am I so angry? Because you need therapy, bro. And like, it's really, you're an idiot too, because you're really stupid and sometimes stupid people just are angry. lot because they don't, they're like, monkey man need banana but can't have banana. You know what I mean? And so it causes songs like break stuff to be written. Yeah, no, it wasn't.

I will say, I don't think it was the be all end all of the music, you know, new fun waves of stuff. However, you know, Creed was out there being Creed. Big year for Creed. Trying to begging to be taken higher and no one would take them up there. Big year for shitty music. Oh, God. I mean, they're really.

The Santana featuring Rob Thomas song. I hated that as well. I hated that song. I hated that as well. This is the thing. And so it's always like, oh, make fun of me when I got like went through my jazz phase. I was like, I'm going to listen to jazz. It's because this was the music of the time.

Yeah. This is not as good a year for pop music. I learned, yeah. I escaped in all. I didn't want to get into it because it was released at the end of 99. But this is Destiny's Child writing to the wall. I mean, that is an amazing. album. Yeah, for sure. I would, I dare say it's of the big albums of like, of the like,

excessively popular albums, it was one of the few really good ones. Because probably my favorite album of this time, like, doesn't hold up for just lyrical reasons and content reasons. And that would be that M&M album, which like I was obsessed with it at the time. But it's hard to go back to a lot of that music because as much as you want to enjoy it, I mean, he said like there's just some gnarly shit in that in that music lyrically. Yeah. That's not great. And then there's some horrible songs like,

I'm blue. Dab-Dab-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d. I just... So checked out. Yeah. And that, it was just like, talk about in an angry time of my life, and then you give me songs like that.

I'm like, well, now you're just making me even angrier. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It really was a time where, like, a lot of the big pop stuff was just really. So, again, that's why I... Although the song faded by soul to music. A lot of jazz.

By what song? Do you remember that song Kind of faded But I feel all right Think about making my move tonight I can't pretend that you're only my friend When you're holding my body tight I just had to see the name of the song

By Soul Decision And I remembered it But then look up, please, I implore you Put in Soul Decision one word And look at the picture Of these 60 year old men That were singing this song About what

It just when I get you all I don't know of and take off all your clothes. Like it's all this just, they weren't that old. They really weren't. There's a lot of two old guys singing to 16-year-old girls. There was a lot of that happening, just far too old to be talking to 16-year-old girls. Definitely. And lyrically about sexual stuff.

That was definitely a big part of this time. And then this is, for me, the first time I realized that pop country was a thing. Oh, God. So I'm living in Florida. Oh. And Faith Hill was big for me. I really loved Faith Hill. And that was another one of those things of you in Florida at that time period,

you had to like Faith Hill or you're gay. And it was that. Like, that's what I would. And at the time period in seventh grade, I was like, don't like her too much, you're also gay. Of course. Or you're also, like, it's always this like horrible, fucking disgusting trap that people make up for some reason.

And also, what does it fucking? matter. Yeah. But did you guys know that Peaches Fuck the Pain Away Away was from the year 2000?

No. I mean, definitely not a song that, well, when did Lassen translation come out? Because that's definitely the first time I heard that song would be in that.

The Pinaway. Yeah, but then there was, I knew I loved before I met you. Henry used to make fun of me for listening to Savage Garden. But again,

it was all a ploy on the outside so that I could listen to my Lincoln Park in peace. in my creed. Another big thing technologically. So Napster was a thing I love to that like it was the first time and it was because

of the internet and things like that and not knowing what you're doing because as a kid you could very easily do something illegal that you don't even realize as illegal until like you're in a lot of trouble for it. I remember like I got those AOL. What was those software that you could like fuck with people through AOL if you got this like software you could punt them? Do you remember the phrase punting? Very vaguely.

This sounds familiar. So this was like, if you wanted to be a bad kid on like AIM, you could download these different types of software that would essentially like fuck with other people's AIM accounts and stuff. And if you did this thing called punting, it would essentially like overload their system by sending like too many messages all at once and it would like shut their AOL down and stuff. Like it was like bad kid stuff. And I remember I almost got in a lot of trouble with that like people from AOL.

called my house. No. Yeah, yeah. And I had to play stupid. Or no, I think my mom called to be like, why doesn't AOL work for us anymore? And it was because they blocked us because I was doing a bunch of like, ill shit.

And I had to lie and be like, I don't know, we were talking about. I was like, I was gonna say. Such a dumb thing to do on your parents' computer, just like completely fuck up your parents' computer. Because you have no idea, like, I didn't know this illegal. I thought it was just being a fucking weird fucker on AOL.

I didn't, you know, you just don't connect digital. It's like white-collar crime. Like, you don't connect that it's a crime. Yeah, actually. But it is. And the other thing with that, too, was that, you know, Napster now all of a sudden, I don't think it happened in 2000, but all of a sudden, I was around these years that, oh, they were just like arresting people and taking them to court and putting them in jail.

Remember that? Remember that big push for music stealing? Oh, yeah. These, like, four families got fucked out of nowhere because they were just randomly drawn out of a hat and they ended up pat and pay, like, thousands of dollars in, like, rights damages or whatever. Like, that was really really. fear of God into me. I was so scared.

I thought that someone was going to find me. You could just sit down and use it. I mean, everyone was using it at one point, you know? The other thing, though, I was going to throw out there, too. That Nokia phone with snake on it. That was really the first. And I don't think I even had a cell phone technically until I was in college, but still I was using other people's phones.

And all of a sudden, you were just talking about how in our episode on 1998, how like, oh, you could just leave and like no one would. would know where you were. Well, that all changes really starting this year. You were always accountable. Yeah, and it was such a huge, huge cultural shift because of technology, not just because of the internet, but also because of mobile phones. And the battery would last for like four days because you weren't using it to do anything

else, you know, so you couldn't even even go to the battery. Maybe Snake, but I was probably playing Snake on my Ti-82. Am I right? Oh, yeah. Yeah, no, I definitely, I had put the games onto my TV. I 84 so I could play games on it. I forgot, though, about the movie Keeping the Faith that I was really obsessed

with. Why were we, like, I feel like I would, like a lot of people in our age group I was obsessed with keeping the faith, but that movie was not for a 13 year old to enjoy. Like I feel like, I imagine why wasn't I bored? Is it just

because I wanted to have sex with all three of them? Both Jenna Elfman, Edward Norton, and Ben Stiller. It was also like the forbidden love. because Edward Norton is a priest and Ben Stiller is a rabbi and all three of them have been friends forever. This is a big year for Edward Norton

and my love for Edward Norton. I think that also keeping the faith there's such a 2000 representation of diversity. Yes. What if there was a Christian and a Jewish person? And they're all white. Like I feel like it's just such an extremely 2000 thing.

Looking at like this Google, because if you just Google, like movies, 2,000 movies. I feel like I'm in a Blockbuster looking at a wall. Yes, definitely. Like, it is so every one of these covers like Unbreakable.

I think I was working at Blockbuster, that's probably why I feel that way. I think this is when I'm working at Blockbuster. Ah, that makes sense. Also, I'm working. Psycho came out this year. Final Destination came out this year. Yeah, that was a big one.

Final destination, damn. That was a big one for me, but this is also the year. No wonder you were listening. I know that you were listening to jazz because you enjoy jazz. But Chuck a lot. came out this year. And I remember that was one of those things.

See, and that was one of those things I was like, fuck that movie. Fuck everybody who likes that movie. You know when you're that age and you choose things to hate people for no reason? Shock a lot, I still haven't seen it. Should I see it?

You would just hate people because they just wore a shoe or something. You just say, like, I hate it. Oh, chocolate's awesome. Yeah, Shuggla, that's a great indie. That's my actual shit at this time. I'm like feeling like I'm better. than everybody else because I'm listening to jazz

and I am watching movies. You were the reason. You're the reason why I hated the people that like... I was that guy, Requiem for Requiem for a Dream, you know, Best in Show was this year. Just a ton of indie greats. And comedy outside of the indie space

is fucking terrible. Me, myself and Irene, Little Nikki, the ladies man. But what about where the heart is? Because another one of those weird movies because I believe, is that the movie where she has the baby inside of the Walmart? I don't remember. And anybody?

Nobody? I'm also just looking at the covers of them as well. You're right. Having these throwbacks inside of my brain. High fidelity, that was like a big one for me because I'm just like kind of looking towards getting into college. I think that that's like kind of the people I'm going to be dealing with soon, including my own self. For sure. That was a big one.

And the cell. Talk about another weird sexual awakening of mine. The cell came out in the year, two. I think I would like to go back. I saw that in the theater, by the way, and it was definitely wigged me out. But I would, I think, eventually like to go back to 1999, because I do think it,

the funny thing about 99, I believe, is the year of American Pie and, like, the horny. It was like the perfect time, at least for me, to go see, like, horny teen comedies in the theater. That was such, like, cruel intentions. Oh, yeah, that was 99. Oh, yeah.

It was all about going with your friends and getting weirdly horny in the dark in a movie theater together as a group. And that was a very weird. And what a way to build a community. This has been, what a beautiful walk-down memory lane that we've done. Pay it forward. Pay it forward.

Can I have to be here for you, MJ. Pay it for me in the movie theaters. I was in the movie theaters. Big year. Two times. He ain't pay it forward. Bon Jovi is just your absolute everything. Oh, who's dating so.

Oh, someone big is dating Bon Jovi's son right now. And I thought of you because I was like, I wonder if MJ would also be into Bon Jovi's son. Also, not that I don't like the movie, but unfortunately almost famous comes out and becomes like the favorite film of all the people I hated in my theater school and college. So that's a lot of fun. See and I loved it though. Great movie. Oh, inspirationalness. I like it now, but it really was all the goody-to-shoe like kids who thought they could be rock and roll in the most musical theater way possible.

Like, loved that movie. and it made me hate it so much, even though I definitely think it's a good movie. Also, John Bon Jovi's son, Jake is dating Millie Bobby Brown right now. Oh, wow. All right, I will look into that. Yeah, yeah.

You look into it. Get back to me on it. But this has been wonderful, and I think that I'm going to go listen to No Strings Attached, and we'll see where that leads me for the rest of my fucking day. And thank you guys so much

for going back in time, with us to talk about the year 2000, hit us up with some, you know, if you were like, oh man, this big defining part of my life happened in the year 2000. And there's also, we didn't even bring up the song, this is the story of girl. Girl, God, wow. Oh, I just get mad. I just, I'm mad at the world. Just hearing, it just reminds me how mad I was at everybody at the time.

Oh, yeah, it's very. See, another thing that made me angry was the song. It's beautiful day. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Fuck that song. Hated it.

Because you're just like forced to be at malls a lot and like, yeah. Yeah. You're like always going to the mall. You're like, why do we have to go to the mall? You're not into going to the mall anymore. It's like become a thing you hate.

But you have nowhere else to go. Nowhere else to go. There's the movie theater. There's, I mean, at least I had cigarettes at this point. Weed and everything else. No. We're just fucking the pain away. I was in the coffee shop a lot.

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