Page 7 - REEEEEEWIIIIIND 2005

Episode Date: October 5, 2023

Jackie, Holden, and MJ dawn their ceremonial Juicy Couture tracksuits and get ready to relive the dawn of love with Kfed and Brit as well as the death of love as a whole with the end of Brad Pitt and Jennifer Aniston, all this and more as we REWIIIIIND TO 2005!Page 7 and Wizard and the Bruiser are going on TOUR! Dates and links to tickets at lastpodcastnetwork.comWant even more Page 7? Support us on Patreon! Patreon.com/Page7Podcast Subscribe to SiriusXM Podcasts+ to listen to new episodes of Page 7 ad-free.Start a free trial now on Apple Podcasts or by visiting siriusxm.com/podcastsplus. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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that are about like this. Because I ain't no hollaback girl. I ain't no hollaback girl. I walk these lonely streets On the boulevard of broken dreams All the cities leave And I'm the you and me And all other people

Beverly Hills. You know, you got a, you know, you want to. Beverly Hills. I'm going to take me to the candy shop. Yes, getting you my humps, get my candy shop, because it was all about putting things in your holes. Yes, we're talking about 2005. No, she was a gold digger.

Something, something, something. I don't know. Kanye, uh, uh, had money. Yeah, there you go. Oh, but, my! Did you be God? Man, this is a year that really did still shape what I, unfortunately, will still listen to. I listen to a lot of new pop.

But if I'm listening, if I want something that just makes me feel a little nostalgic, I'm looking at 2005 over here. I can't believe we haven't sung Mr. Brightside yet, you guys. Oh, my God. I did it end up like this. It was only a kiss. It was only a kiss. It was covered in kiss.

That's the shirt. than Henry got me. It says it was only a kiss. How did it end up covered in piss? Did you already do? Since you make a lot. I have. Yes, I have done it.

I thought you already did it, but I just wanted to do it. Let me see you one step, two step. Ooh, Sierra, I miss, I miss Sierra. I want more Sierra in my life. Everybody get on the floor. We've got to get it all. Drop it like it's hot. Drop it like it's hot.

Something, some, some, some, some, some, Driving Like It's Hot. Yeah. I don't know if you guys know this, but we are three white people. And it comes through often. But this was the year, oh my God, that Kelly Clarkson album was like my everything. Oh my God. Yeah, that was a good time.

The Hazeelies. So you said, Jackie, this is a year when you think about pop music and this comes up. I feel like this was for me before I had embraced loving pop music. but it was still, I was in college, and so it was still, it was in the air, you know, but I had not yet, like, admitted that pop music was good because I was an insufferable little prick. And so I feel, but then it was like, okay, yeah, Kanye is good, you know, and like, yeah, Kelly Clarkson is good.

So I think in some way, in Mr. Brightside, as a former emo kid, everyone, you know, hated the killers, but I was like, it's good. And so I feel like this. Oh, my God. I loved that album. Yeah. Because this was the end of my college time, and I stayed an extra semester. So, 05 was like my final college year.

And then I moved to New York in like the winter of 06. This was the year we met each other whole. Yeah. Yes. Oh, my God. So every week at this place called Waterworks, which was connected to a different bar called Spaceport, which was a ship, a nautical spaceship-themed bar. Extremely Florida.

Which you would go to to cool down from... This was in Florida, by the way. Waterworks you went in. How could you tell? And I can't believe how long I was fooled by this without realizing, oh, it's an effect. They would make it look like it was raining, like, crazy outside because they had this effect on the windows where, like,

water would pour down the windows. Hell yeah. From the outside. So you... And for the longest time I got fulled, I was like, we shouldn't leave. It's boring. We should keep dancing. And every Friday night, they would have an indie dance night.

So yes, fucking spoon, the killers, modest mouse. We were all falling down. France Ferdinand, it was also the year. Oh, yes. We were all floating on, whatever. Franz Ferdinand, all that shit was the soundtrack of my life at this point. I was listening to The Mountain Goats. I'm listening to Postal Service.

This is like my full indie heyday with a bunch of jazz as well thrown in. And I was just living it up. man, living Lovita Loco. We were, you know, doing murder fist over the summer. I was taking, I stayed an extra semester to continue to take play and screenplay writing classes with Mark Medoff, who was like a temporary faculty there. He wrote Children of a Lesser God. He's like, Oscar Tony Award winner.

Yeah, he's amazing. And he was just an amazing teacher. Rest in Peace. Amazing supporter of Murder Fist as well, which is very cool. He would like him and his wife, like, went to shows and, like, loved it. and like saw the potential of it and understood what it was when we were kind of being like blacklisted

by the rest of the theater school. Like they looked down on it. They looked down on what we were doing. They went, why weren't we focusing on Stanislavski? You know what I mean? Technique, you know? And it was just like, no,

we just want to like get fucking nuts at a, uh, the only gay bar in Tallahassee once a week and do a fucking beer swilling crazy comedy show. And then afterwards, sometimes they'd bring it a whole. Of course. Yeah, absolutely. Those were late night shows at brothers that we didn't usually stay for.

So wait, you met this year because Jackie were you a freshman in college and Holden was a senior in college? Yes, I graduated high school in the year of 2005 and that is when I met Holden and all of murder fist. This is when I started smoking cigarettes so that I would fit in in college. Nice. And it's Holden's fault that I started smoking in the first place. But then I got you to quit, so there you go. And then you got me. I feel no longer guilty.

But yeah, Henry and Jackie, I was a large influence on their picking up smoking cigarettes. The movie we were all smoking cigarettes. But I definitely was like, yeah, yeah. It's awesome. It's cool and sexy. What's not a leg? In my defense, they were like, they were like $5 a pack back in that. In 2005, I was also in college.

Every single person I knew smoked cigarettes. Like my peers, everybody. I was the only person that I know who did it. It was just so, it really is so, like, there are some... Did you never smoke cigarettes, I'm trying? No, because my brother was like, you should do whatever you want in college. He was like, I'm not going to be a protective over it. We went to the same college, just like you and Henry, and he was like, I'm not going to be a protective older brother.

I'm not going to tell you who to date. I'm not going to tell you about drinking or whatever, but I am going to tell you you really should not smoke cigarettes. Because even at the time, he was like, it's just expensive. I wish I wasn't addicted. And so he was like, do absolutely, make all your mistakes, but this is just not one that you need to pick up. And I listened to him. And so I got out of it. Damn.

Yeah. Yeah. That's great. Yeah, I wish I had someone to tell me that. But instead, I definitely had an older brother was like, this is the cool. This will make you fit in. Just do wear it. It's just going to make you fit in.

And everyone's like, then no one will look at you weird. And I was like, oh, good. But it did help. me like hate my like shitty high school whatever social dynamics just a little bit less. I made me just a little I just getting that pack of cigarettes at the age of 16 being getting a pack on a Friday night and hanging out of your buddy's place and chain smoking all weekend. I get it. And when I talk to John about it of course because you know I had grown up being like smoking is

terrible. Like, you know, even though still culturally we weren't where we are now where like most people, there's so many fewer people smoke now, but like, smoke cigarettes at least. But like, I do remember being like kind of shocked that everybody was smoking cigarettes. And when John was explaining it to me, he was like, he was like, whatever you need like a cigarette will help. If you need a break at a party to go up by yourself, a cigarette will help. If you want to go talk to a friend and you kind of need it in to like be like, hey, I really want to check in with you. A cigarette will help that. Like, if you're tired, a cigarette will give you energy. If you want to relax, a cigarette.

Don't say these things in the air. I'm going to go have a cigarette. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. John is also quick, by the way. It's all a contradiction. It's all a, none of it's real. Because how does something help you relax and wire you up?

You know, how does it do all those things? It also raises your blood pressure. So when you think, yeah, but it relaxes me, it actually doesn't. It actually is raising your blood pressure. Interesting. It's all these lies that we tell ourselves. That's why we raid the book. That's why Holden I read the Allen.

Car book. You had to unlearn it. And I, and I, watching people quit was like, I was so glad that I didn't start just because it really did seem very, very, very hard. But almost everybody I know has now quit who used to be total chain smokers, including you too. And I'm very proud of you. It really does look like it was fucking hard as hell to quit. But you guys didn't. It was, it wasn't. It was also easy. I read the easy way to quit smoking by Halen Carr. It was weird. It was time for me. This was cut to years and years later from 2005, by the way. This was when I was in my, what, I think I was hitting early 30s,

and I was living now in a studio apartment with Lexi. And we had finally just committed, kind of took that big next step of living together, which is, I think, the first time I'd ever lived with a significant other at that point, like fully lived with a shared lease, you know? And, you know, it was just kind of inevitable, but it's so interesting how mental addiction truly, is. I think one of the first things that book teaches you is that, you know, the physical,

actual physical effects of the addiction of smoking at the very, at least, is two days. It takes two days to be fully over that. So after that, if you're like snapping at people for no reason or something like that, like none of that's because of the physical part of the addiction. You are done with the physical part. It's over. We were definitely not reading that book in the year 2005. We are way too busy. We are way too busy in this year watching salad fingers. Remember? I love a rusty spoon. What? Again, again, it's all about no. No. Oh my God. Is that a movie? Put in salad fingers. I feel like you'll remember. You'll remember the face from salad fingers. We were all obsessed with this really creepy viral video called salad fingers and he has long fingers and he's very creepy.

This was when, yeah, you could just, this would be so lost today. You know what I mean? I mean, I guess we got like a guy's head in a toilet bowl doing weird stuff, so maybe not. But these kinds of videos, like the, what was it, the Paul Revere song or whatever. And the my United States of whatever, like all that shit could stand out. Yes. Like the internet. This was back when a viral video lasted for weeks.

You could get weeks off of a single. four-minute YouTube video. It was so different. Crudely drawn, and if it was just weird enough and got around enough in a certain kind of way, or like the shoes, I hated that one, I like shoes, or whatever, the shoes video drove me nuts.

But that's speaking towards the thing that I would deal with later where I just didn't understand how the industry had changed with the internet for the longest time. But going back to this time, this was an interesting time for me because I was kind of in this purgatory, like I was just getting a little too old for college.

I was kind of grown out of college in this certain way. Like, the party had died down at my apartment, especially. I think it just got to the point where we had hung out and partied at my apartment so fucking much for so long that people were like, let's try someone else's place. A lot of it was over Jackie and Madeline's house. I do remember that. That kind of took the party for me. And then I didn't have a car and no one wanted to pick me up.

So you were no longer a boy, not yet a man. situation. Yeah, Uber didn't exist. So I was kind of like starting to just kind of be like an older dude at college, like just chilling in his apartment on his loans. You were passing the buck to us young bucks. And I was there to like rip it up. Yeah. And it was like this interesting in between or kind of weird time, at least half that year because like first half the year I was like a senior finishing out my senior college but I stayed that one extra semester. That was kind of interesting. when you stay a little too long. And you're the old guy at college, yeah.

Yeah, you feel it a little bit. Yeah, the best friend who was an old guy at college. I never went to college with him. He was just an old, he just hung around afterwards, and he's one of my best friends now. And we never overlapped. He was just around. So that's kind of the weird thing for me. I was in this weird, like, bracing myself for what would probably be one of the most challenging years of my life, 2006,

when I moved into fucking a really bad part of Brooklyn and trying to survive. and, you know, on very little money and in New York's, and just adjusting to New York City and trying to, like, get our sketch comedy group on a stage was just such a challenge, you know, that first year. And I feel like you guys, though, too, were transitioning as well, you know, like this was a big new start for both of you, right? Yeah, I mean, start a cut. For me, it was, it was, I graduated in 2004 in high school. So this was, yeah, 2005 was the year my graduated and everything. So yeah, it was a big, but it was, I was a, I was a, I was a fresh-eyed, extremely naive young buck. And I assumed Jackie was even a younger buck.

Oh, yeah, I was a, well, because I graduated high school and went to college when I was 17. So I was just, like, felt very young. And, um, I was kicked out the nest. But like, I ran out the nest. Yeah, I was ready to go. I was excited. I'm ready. And I went to college. Like, I embraced college with open arms. I was like, I was always out, I was always doing things, I was meeting new people, I was like I don't feel like

I, like, there was no part of me that was like, dipped my toe in college. Like, I ran to college. I feel the same way. I was so excited. Well, because both of us had older brothers who went before us and I think both of us, I really, really missed my older brother after he had left

home and I was still home. I was very, I was like, why? what? Why am I home and he's out doing fun stuff? And so I was so ready to go. And yeah, when I got there, I just like hit the ground running. But I also was just so, and I look back at this year and I feel so much like, it's not like shame, but it's like, you know, the cringe feeling when you just look back and you remember how I was like this extremely deeply feeling, extremely idealistic, creative. I was sending poetry lyrics via text message. You know.

Oh, yes. We're in infinity scarves. Like there was no tomorrow. Yeah, I'm like writing song lyrics down in a notebook still, you know, like a 12-year-old. I was a-making mix CDs. Oh, yeah. For crushes and like really thinking out the mix-CD and then burning the CD and just like drawing on the outside of the CD.

Oh, and talk about crushes. I was just pining over people, but like never speaking to them. You know, I had no confidence. I didn't get confidence until 2006. So this, 2005 was like. I had all the energy and all the desire and all the feelings and all the hope, but zero confidence. Oh. Yeah.

It's so painful to think about it. I feel bad for that person. But also, you guys were finishing your freshman year and then going in and went into your sophomore year. That was me. Yeah, for me. I'm a year younger. I was graduating high school and going into college. Wow, that's so fast that we only, I can't believe we only intersected for that.

long, Jackie. It feels like we spent more time. No, I barely knew you. I only knew you as the standoffish old man in college. Like, I just remember you thought you were just like, you would like, you'd like, I listened to jazz. And I'm like, okay. And like, you would just like smoke cigarettes and drink your Carlo Rossi jug a wine. Oh, yeah. You thought you were so cool. And I was like, all right. Love the Carla Rossi jug wine. Oh, yeah, because that was the thing. We would like pull money together. And then some nights we would. It was like very bohemian. We would all sit around with these giant jugs of

We would just get like several of them enough that you could drown yourself in it and we would just all sit around as a group like chain smoke and smoke joints and just pass around these jugs and you put it on your forearm and then you put your forearm and the tip it up and then tip it up. I'm not a snooty wine drinker but holy shit

I would never drink that these days. You know there was that and there was cool because also like I had a lot of upperclassman friends, so I was finally able to, like, go to the bars that they would always, like, ditch me to go to in years previous. There was that going on. And then at the end of the year, I met fucking Nutbag X that was, like, a person I held on to in a long... I, like, met her right at the end of my time at FSU, and then was like, this would be a good idea.

I should definitely be in a long-distance relationship with a grad student in FSU who's got, like, a couple more years left. I think of grad school at least, and moved to New York. And that was literally just me knowing that my life was about a change. And this really was one of the best times of my life. Like college from sophomore year until I left was like some of the best years of my life. And I think I subconsciously knew that that was going to end. And I was just trying to hang on to like some semblance of what my life once was when I moved to New York and when everything changed. 2005 was also one of the best years of my life too.

It was just like that, just being at college and feeling like I felt so at home. You know, it was like I was part of this. I wasn't in Murder Fist, but it was like the sketch and improv comedy group there. I felt so at home. And I had never, not that I hadn't felt that. I had wonderful friends in high school. But like I, you know, I was such an angsty high schooler trying to figure out my place and everything.

And that feeling of like some kids find their place in high school. And for me, I found it in college. And it was such a thrill to like find myself. Were you doing? Did you get into like a lot of activism in college? No. I was too, like, I had politics, but I was honestly too self-absorbed. And, like, I had, you know, I cared.

But, like, I remember even with the invasion of Iraq and the Iraq War, like, all my friends were lefties and activists. And I did, like, I remember in my fall of my freshman year was the 2004 election where George W. Bush was reelected. Yes, I remember that was a big buggerna. Yeah, it was a big bugle. Yeah, I remember. We just kept listening to the Perfect Circle album. talking about how fucked the government is. Yeah, I was essentially the same person,

but like instead of having any sort of like broader, I was just so, I was so myopic, I was just so thinking about my own feelings and my own, like, sad heart and my own desires all the time. And I was Mr. like playwright at that point. I had a little feather in my head. I was Mr. getting deep in my playwriting. You certainly were all that good stuff.

You know, I hate to say it. I don't think we hit it off right up top. Not really. We just didn't. You had like, yeah, you definitely had. And I did, I will say, I actually do think I also got a little resentful because the party literally moved from my apartment to the house you were living. Yeah.

And I really mean it. Like, I was really, I was really resentful because I was like, I've been hosting fucking, I've been cleaning up after you fuckers, like, every, almost every day for like three years. And now no one can even give me. no one can even give me a fucking ride. Like, it's five minutes away. It's five minutes away from my apartment, and no one can come pick me up.

And that happened, like, multiple times. Like, everyone's just like, oh. And with, like, you could hear people giggling and shit and, like, when I'd, like, call, I'd be like, hey, can someone? It sucked. That sucked. That's kids, though.

That's just kids being good. That's just kids being kids. But, uh, but, yeah, and adults not having cars in college. Thank God, too. I didn't have a car. I didn't have a car in college. Well, but that's the thing,

but you get, it's, it's, If you're the party house, which I was up until that point. If you're the party house, you don't miss having a car. You know what I mean? Because I was, like, on campus, too. I lived at the party house in 2005. Yeah, you got it.

It was John's house. Yeah, you were, you were a resident of the party house. No, I was a crash. But it was John's house. John and his three best friends. And that was the party house. And so, but I was just like, I love it here. I love the party.

I'd never want the party to end. I'll sleep on the couch every night. And so I was like the insufferable freshman. who was like, I'm not going to be back to the dorms tonight. I'm just going to sleep at my cool brother's house. I just feel so cringe whenever I think about myself. Like, because I was just so excited. I was so excited to be back with him.

And, like, I loved all his friends. And we were all doing comedy together. And so I just, like, literally lived there for the summer of 2005. I lived at home for a while. But then I just came up and I was like, can I just crash on the couch for a month? And they were like, there is about 10 people who live here. We literally won't know. And so it was like that kind of situation.

Oh, those beautiful days too of just like when you're like, it doesn't matter. This place, like when you would like beg for a moment's piece because your house was always filled with people. And that's the thing too, I will say. There were some of those nights that I was just talking about. But there was also a lot more nights where I was so happy to be alone in my apartment where like I had hosted it all.

I'd done it all. We threw 10 kaggers. We threw open bar like classes. parties where we'd like buy out a bunch of liquor from the liquor store and get like a jazz band to play in my living room like I had just done every I had just thrown every kind of party I'd seen it all like done it all and the party yeah it's that definitely that like Mrs. Doubtfire like they're not Mrs. Doubtfire Mrs. Uh oh what it is the hours you know what I'm talking about the movie The Hours. What's their name? The writer. Um it's uh it's kind of that the

party's like over the party's dying. I just love the idea that you were dressed like Mrs. Fire alone in Europe? I just, I got really taken away by Mrs. Doutfire. After a while, I had to pretend to be their maid in order to hang out at the party. Because I'd be like, oh, can you get me a wrong, please? No, Mrs. Dalloway? Mrs. Dalloway?

Is that what I'm thinking of? Is that the name of it? Anyway. The hours after, what happens in the hours after the party and the hours after that? It was very like, but it was cool because I was like, you know, doing a lot of fucking contemplation, man. This is why this is a bit of a strange year maybe for all three of us since we were so in the throes of young, of youth. Like for me, 2005, I'm looking at all the pop culture things.

And I'm like, man, I wasn't seeing movies because I wasn't leaving campus. I didn't have a car. You know, I was. Yeah, you're just like in a bubble. I was listening to indie music. I wasn't really listening to pop music. I wasn't watching TV because I lived in a dorm, you know. So it's like, I'm looking and it's like, yes, American Idol.

Totally remember that. It was Survivor. we were still in kind of the early years of reality. Like loss. I specifically remember going to see wedding crashes was the last movie that I saw. I remember being like getting picked up by my mom. And I remember thinking this is probably the last time I'm ever going to have to like get picked up by my mom after a movie. Because I was going to college.

And I just remember being so excited. Isn't that crazy? Yes. I got some movie theater memories. I remember Batman Begins was kind of a bit of a revelation, and that really was going to bring on this dark, gritty superhero era, and that felt very novel at the time. Also, I will forever remember Star Wars Episode 3,

seeing that in the movie theater at that ultimate moment when Darth Vader goes, no! And everybody in the movie theater laughed, because it was like this goofy, like, totally broke the whole thing. Everybody was like going into it being like, this one might actually be good. Oh, really? I think they might actually make a good one. It was like, it was kind of okay up until that point.

And then it just, no, and everyone cracked up. I remember the cultural moment of a movie. I don't think I still have even seen. I should actually go back and watch this movie. But this movie had a lot more around it than even the actual movie itself. Mr. and Mrs. Smith was this huge cop-culture moment with Jennifer Aniston and Brad Pitt, divorcing. and Brad Picketing together with Angelina Joe Lee was like...

The beginning of Brangelina. Uh-huh. That was the story of the year. I mean, you literally, it was the cover of every magazine. It was just everywhere. You could not get away from this divorce, divorso story. It was like wild how all-encompassing it was in everyone's life. They just couldn't get enough of it.

The tabloid rags were so thrilled with the whole drama of this because you've got like kind of, I guess, what, she seems like, Angelina Jolie seems like the fucking wild motorcycle lady right, this fucking like specter of evil.

Yeah, she was Laura Croft. And she was Billy Bob Thornton's part. You know, she had, her and Billy Bob had this weird vampire thing going on, yeah. Billy, and then, and then what's her name is like girl next door? Totally.

But also like the ultimate catch in all these ways, you know what I mean? Yeah. And yet, and then Brad Pitt is like the number one Hollywood. stud, especially at that time, right? It was just the most juicy. It was like, not since, like, Princess dies, like, death or, like, the OJ trial.

You know what I mean? It almost felt like that in a way where everyone, they were just like, this is all we can talk about. This is the only thing in existence right now for so much of pop culture. And that is before, like, we were talking before about how viral videos were, you know, would last for weeks and whenever, but I feel like 2005 was also a transitional time for pop culture from like when we have done rewinds about the late 90s and early 2000s and we're talking about how whatever was on the front of magazines was really the that was pop culture news you didn't

have the internet the way it is now where there's just 10,000 pieces of pop culture news a day so it was like Jennifer Aniston being on the cover of magazines you know now that's so sad she's single or she's getting dumped or what I would so there was still kind of that monoculture holdover of the late 90s I think when it comes to the Brandjolina thing, it was like this huge massive story. Whereas, again, now, if you think about that happening, it would still be a big story, but it would last a couple of weeks' tops, right?

Like, things just lasted longer then because there wasn't a million other, there just wasn't so many stories all the time, right? And there's just like such a new time, because this, in the year 2005, is when both YouTube and Reddit were launched. So this is like a huge, talk about transition, time of how these stories and how everyone consumes their media, like how that changed the game

of things hugely. Uh-huh. Yeah, because I remember even in terms of like going back to being a lefty thing, like I got to see if Google Reader was still at this time. But I remember being like, okay, John, like I want to learn more about like the news, like what website should I read? And he was like, you know, gave me a list of like the blogs that he liked and the websites that he liked.

And he loved Google Reader where you could just. get like a kind of list of all of your favorite blogs. And, you know, it's so funny to talk about because it feels like I'm talking about driving a restaurant carriage, you know. And again, another memory to bring back. And yes, it's the year, it's one year later, but it still is very indicative of this particular time period. You are the time person of the year in 2006.

So that was, that's how quickly YouTube went from launch to absolutely ubiquitous. Like YouTube was so, was such. a revelation was just such this insane. And this leads me to, I think, one of the first instances of like a video going viral online of like a news story kind of going viral in an online way, because it's the fact that everybody could rewatch over and over again this moment that happened on television. This is the year Fishfucker Tom Cruise jumps on the couch and claims his love for Kitty Humps. and that might have been a big deal before,

but it was a massive deal because we had the ability to share a video a clip over and over again with each other. And just like watch this crazy guy. So it wasn't just like something you were seeing on like the nightly news, which I think it probably would have come and went

a lot quicker. But I think this is one of the first times where everyone, like, where it's like any moment we want to watch it, we can just pull it up and show someone else. Look at how fucking crazy this fucking guy is. You know? Totally.

But it was still like, when I think about how I interacted with technology in 2005, it was still like, oh, you want to watch this thing? Okay, come over to my desk. Like, let me turn on my laptop. Let me pull up YouTube. You know, we had high speed internet. It wasn't totally. We had it on our phones and stuff.

Yeah, exactly. But I remember rewatching it. I remember like watching it multiple times because of how crazy it was. Yes, totally. And it was still a like gather around the computer and let's watch a viral video together. Like that was how we consume videos. I remember I have a picture from 2006 of me and two friends who we were just drunk as hell having a conversation and we were talking about how funny it would be if you could get porn on a cell phone. Because at the time, like I think iPhones.

You predicted it real. It was like iPhones must have already, we already did when iPhones existed. but like it was something where at the time I still had a flip phone, but we were talking about how funny, like, imagine if you could get poured on your phone, people would just be jerking off all the time. And so in 2005, it was still, it was the beginning of like gathering around to watch viral videos, but it still was so not ubiquitous in terms of like how our lives were.

Like I still went to the library to check my email if I had to communicate with somebody. You know what I mean? All right. Another crazy. this only could exist in a viral video world that we are now seeing the beginning of. And he's a monster, by the way. I'll just preface with that. He's a horrible person.

But at the time, it was hilarious. R. Kelly's trapped in the closet hits in 2005. That was another viral. That can only exist as an inside joke viral video. That can't exist as like a nightly news story or like, you know what I mean? It's not like a tabloid hit. It's, it's, it's, it's. uniquely internet video

serviced, you know? And we're starting to get these kinds of viral. This is really, I think, the first year of viral. You know? Same thing with Kanye West, George Bush doesn't care about black people. You know?

Like, if we didn't have the internet, that would have happened, and surely it would have been a story. No question. Yeah. But it wouldn't have become this, like, phrase that like, I mean, again, say what you will about the guy now,

but at the time, it was very valuable that he provided this phrase, you know, and it then was repeated over and over and over, you know. And also you got to watch Mike Myers stand next to him not know what the fuck to do and what to say over and over and over. This was the first crazy thing Kanye did, by the way. Yeah. And it's so wild to look back now at all. The last thing we've got was a blowjob on a boat in front of everybody in Italy

after saying, I love Hitler on the TV show. Yikes. I mean, crazy. This was the first, and people were kind of still split because it's pre, I believe this was pre-T Swift Award show. I think this really was like the first thing, right? And, you know, I think people were still kind of like, oh, that was kind of badass that he did that. And then other people were like, that seems an unhinged deeply. You know what I mean?

But it's interesting now in hindsight, it's like, oh, that was kind of the first kind of crack in the facade of Kanye who could kind of do no wrong up to that point because I was just singing Gold Digger. Earlier, I mean, if you remember how much of a massive, massive hit. That was MTV, every other music video. That was the kiss on the rose on the gray of that year. It was just every single second that song was playing, you know, and it was. And I think that him saying George Bush doesn't care about black people really endeared him. I guess college dropout was only 2004. Yeah.

So, yeah, like he was, I mean, it was an amazing time to love Kanye. but that was a very, it was a, I remember thinking what an incredible moment it was that it happened on live TV and just to have, you know, it was, people were very split on it at the time and people thought it was erratic and that he threw Mike Myers under the bus by him happy to stand there and figure out what to do. But like, I also remember being like, holy shit, that rules. I can't believe like the most famous pop star right now, like said that. Like, fuck yeah, you know. Yeah, yeah. It's totally wild. Yeah, this is such a precursor. I feel like I'm about, this feels like a precursor year. Connie is about to go AWOL, the whole Branjolina shit. It's like when Britney Spears starts like her marriage with Kevin Federline,

starts going publicly downhill in front of everyone. So this is also like a real beginning of a downfall for Britney Spears. Because 2006 was when she had her really big breakdown. I think 2008. It was 08. It was 08. Oh, was it, 08? Oh, it was full, like, shavehead and we all, like, Perez, the era of Perez Hilton, celebrity

smart. Because, again, the internet is just opening its doors to that kind of shit. But it's going to take a couple years before we go full, complete dickhead when it comes to, like, celebrity culture. Well, because this is the year also that Nick Lachey and Jessica Simpson talk about, like, the beginning of being really mean towards celebrities. they certainly took a lot of ire of the early 2000s because of their reality show.

And then they get divorced. Was this newlyweds here? No, this is the year that they break up. Oh, okay, got it. So this is like a huge public divorce that they got. Now I'm starting to draw comparisons to the year we're in right now. I wanted this is kind of starting to feel a little similar because it's all divorces and, you know, kind of the beginning of a new era. Like Jude Law, when Jude Law publicly.

confesses to having an affair on Sienna Miller. He had an affair with the nanny, but he had a public confession of it. So this is like a year of like really, really starting to put people in the stocks. Like putting celebrities

in the stocks. I'll put another one on the pile that's not a divorce. But this is right before Beyonce becomes Beyonce, Destiny's Child officially breaks up. In 05. Dude, this is like very similar to 2020. Wow. It's all breakups, it's all like resets.

And you guys are just kind of finding your own in college. I'm just about to, I'm breaking up with college myself. You know what I mean? Yeah. It's an interesting transition year, really. Actually, this is huge for me because this is the last Harry Potter movie I saw in theater because this was my like beginning of like, oh, I think that I might be too old to watch this.

because I remember going home for Thanksgiving, and that was my first time home from college. And so I went with, like, my high school friends to go see Harry Potter. And I was just like, I don't think this is me anymore. I smoke cigarettes now. And like, this is just. Whatever, you were doing cocaine in your Harry Potter robe. I know.

Oh, no. And we had so much fun. But this was when I started to, like, think that I was like, maybe too serious for this stuff anymore. Right. That was, yeah, this was a year that I was really trying to figure out, I really thought that I was an adult. And I was really trying to figure out how to become an adult. And I think that even though I had a, again, I had great friends in high school, I really had a great time.

I was a theater kid. But I felt I associated that part of my life with like childhood. And I was like, no, I'm moving forward. I am an adult, which is just so funny because I just had no idea what I was doing. And again, no confidence. But it was totally a year about trying to figure out like, okay, I'm a person who, and this is why I didn't know any pop music. I was like, I'm a person who like listens to the magnetic field and postal service. And I'm a person who like mostly wears black and talks about the Iraq War, but doesn't really read that much news because up to him is he thinking about song lyrics, you know.

And writing away messages. Yes, exactly. Tallahassee, college, summertime. I mean, and I'm definitely probably, I'm doing. full summers in Tallahasse. I'm like not going home. A lot of mushrooms. I'm definitely remembering now a lot, like a lot of, a lot of mushroom experiences. Oh, yeah. In Tallahassee in general, just because there's so many cow fields. It's so humid. I had bags of mushrooms just in my freezer, like all, all throughout. It was

crazy. I will say we are currently seeing a lot of 2005 fashion come back, unfortunately, whether you want it or not. Because I not that long ago was in Target and I'm seeing trucker hats. I'm seeing like, I mean, we know tracksuits already back, but tracksuits are a lot better than they used to be. But this was like the heyday of Ugs.

This was the heyday of layered polo shirts. Yes. Oh, yeah, the pop-collar. The silicone bracelets that everyone wore for like, there's certain causes. Uh-huh. Yeah, it was upsetting to be at a very frat-heavy university

when the pop-collar thing hit. That was very unfortunate. Oh, yeah. And the track suits back in 2005 were the juicy track suits that had juicy on the ass and they always wanted a juicy track suit and they never made them.

Surprisingly, they didn't make them in 2005 in plus sizes. Oh, no. With juicy on the asses. I'm like, I remember looking at all these tiny little butts and I'm like, my ass is juicy. Why doesn't it say juicy on my ass? But they didn't make them in my size.

Did y'all do any kind of scene kid stuff with the big hair and the dumb fucking looks? You know what I mean? No. You know what I mean by scene kid? No. My scene was the theater. I think we were all a little too old.

Yeah, yeah, for that. Like the crazy big head. helmet head hair. And like the, really all over the place with the colors and stuff like that. I remember when I went to, which probably was the worst time of my life to do this, but I'd always had really like short shaved head until I graduated from high school. And then I was like, I'm going to grow up my hair. So I was also growing out my hair for the first time in my first semester of college, which like, man, I looked bad. I looked very bad for a long time. Nowhere to go but up for Jackie as looks in freshman year of college. I look real bad freshman year of college. I don't know what I was.

And then I experimented a lot, you know? It was just you were just kind of dude bro. Yeah, you were just sort of a dude bro. It wasn't like bad. It wasn't like, because you weren't going for anything. You were just wearing like flannel shirts and like. And khaki shorts. Yeah, I wore long khaki shorts that I would sew buttons onto.

Yeah. And it was just whatever. You weren't going for a look. I mean, it was just like... No, I had no fashion. I had no style. Yeah. That same.

In high school... I mean, I didn't catch any of that until I got to New York, you know? Yeah, totally. In high school, I just wore t-shirts like from the plays I was in. And then I got to college and was like, what do I do that? Yeah, it was about not caring, like, for our friend group.

It was very, very about not caring. Totally. What was I going to say? Fucking Katrina! Hurricane Katrina. Which is why Kanye said what he said, you know. And it is so weird to think, you know, I don't want to talk about politics, but it is so weird to think, like, again, considering how political discourse is now, it's so weird to think that Kanye said that in the aftermath of Katrina, Kanye said George Bush doesn't care about black people. And it was a news cycle for months.

You know, it was when we talked about it for months. Should he have said that? Is it true? And it's just like, you know, it's just such a strange thing to think about. about something like that being so controversial. Jennifer Aniston got fucked. That became, they could not let that, I couldn't believe how much they reported on that,

on that divorce. It was so like just, I was like, man, months later, it's the cover on all people and everything. Personally, I'm so happy that the tide has changed on how we talk about Jennifer Aniston, like, leave her alone. I'm just so glad now it's just like, she's like, 53, a G is thrive. And I'm like, good for yes, thank you.

Can we give it up for, she looks great, okay? But so much of our lives as young people was about her and whether she was dried up or not. And if she's having children and if she's like, is she lovable anymore? And it's like, leave her alone. Right, right, right. Yeah. But this is the year, lots of big TV shows started in 2005. We've got Gray's Anatomy.

You've got Supernatural, which of course goes on for many, many, many seasons. It's always sunny in Philadelphia, which is currently still on. The office starts this year. Wow. This is the beginning of like criminal minds and bones and all that kind of stuff. I remember Rome was a huge one for. Rome was huge. Yeah, Rome was massive for like our community for sure.

This is also when weeds started, and I remember I wanted to be Mary Louise Parker. I was like, how do I be her, how do I date her, how do I get inside of her? I wanted to nut on her stomach. I was so hot it out by her. I love Mary Louise Parker. There was a billboard near my work in New York City that I had to like, I would like go home right after work and just think about the billboard because I was so hot and out by her. I remember those billboards.

They were everywhere. And that's all I needed. Yeah. I would literally, this was about, man, this was, I'm sorry, holding a jerk off corner. This is back when I would look at it's, holding jerk off corner, squirt, squirt, squirt. I would look at still images of a clothed woman. And that was all it took. That's crazy.

You know what I mean? That's crazy. It was kind of a heyday time for like prestige TV. Like Sopranos was still on. Oh, intervention started in 2005. This was prestige. This was like the advent of prestige TV. Interesting, MJ, that you pivoted away from my,

talk about how I used to masturbate. But sure, yeah, I guess it was like Prestige TV. It was like a big deal or whatever. Sex in the City ended in 2004. So it wasn't the beginning of Prestige TV, but it was like, I feel like in college it was like DVD box sets, right? Because we couldn't afford cable. So it was like this was when I saw,

started watching arrest development over and over. I started watching Sex in the City over and over. And I didn't really, I was not tuned into anything that was on cable. So I was not tuned into Grey's Anatomy or anything like that. But then, yeah, I remember like weeds and like some of those other, when there was like a really big deal new show. Again, it was not like it is now with this, the abundance of quality shows. So it was like Dexter.

Let's talk about Dexter. Let's talk about weeds. You know, like any new good show was like something that everyone was talking about, which I do kind of miss. I do miss that or I miss like getting a, it was such a mind-blowing sensation. is like, because this was pre-streaming, going to the store and getting like a season of a show that you love and taking it home was so exciting as you're like,

I just have like hours of non-commercial, like material, or like without commercial breaks. And it's just like unscensored. Yeah. When the Simpsons DVD boxes started coming out, my mind, I've never been so thrilled in my entire life. I couldn't believe I just could watch them whenever. And therefore would.

lot and just would obsess over that stuff. Yeah, for sure. Like, and the Lord of the Rings extended DVD sets. Mine were the Gilmore Girls box sets, but I had, I lived in a quad with three, um, sorority girls. So I would always present like, I was like the, the poet of all, like, I was like the moody kind of, um, they're like, we never know what Jackie's up to. But they liked that I was like so, like different from them. So they always were like, Jackie's home. And I'm like, oh, God. I was still kind of a bitch at this point.

And I know back then, not now. Not currently. But I remember this is the year that my family bought me a bunch of the family guy seasons. And I hated family guy. And I just like, the last thing, I was like, this is what you think I like. This is the dribble you think that I am into. I was a bitch. I also hated family guy.

Yeah. I just had a chip on my. This was my ultimate time of needing to prove myself. Like, maybe even more than high school, which is so sad. Like, I was just like, I think that what the mass is like is dumb. I have to only like things that most people don't like. I was just about to bring up. This was a big year in terms of movies going back to that for a lot of like indie shit, you know?

Yeah. Like Brick, the high school noir movie or hard candy and squid in the whale, Noah Bombach's big, like, Dainview, Smash. It was, you know, there was some, it was kind of interesting. In terms of big blockbusters, I'm seeing Batman Begins and Sin City, which both were like, oh my God, they're making comic books, like, actually work in the movie theater. You know what I mean? Also, broke back Mountain came out in 2005.

Brokeback Mountain, yeah. Everything. It was like, this was a big year for, like, the smaller, yeah, it was kind of like, and And that's the same music, everything. Everything I was listening to was indie, indie, indie. That's all I wanted. And so you could set yourself apart that way if you were a young person. Oh, absolutely.

Like, yeah, you could be like, I actually mostly watch indie movies and I actually mostly listen to indie music. Right. Totally. Totally. Then this was kind of, you know, I'm going to get into this a lot more in 06, but a real, like, eye opener when it comes to like the whole hipster culture thing. Like, for me, that's more Williamsburg and, man.

Yeah. Williamsburg, 2006. It was like a cartoon in 2006. Like, you went to Williamsburg in 2006. I mean, it was literally like, you know, because I think it like kind of got a little more grounded and stuff as time went on. And it got a lot more gentrified and upscale and everything, you know, that area. But when I first got to New York and went to Williamsburg, Brooklyn, it was like a theme park for hipsters. My brother was like when I, you know, I was trying to figure out who I was and how I wanted to address. And he was like, if you want, inspiration, just go to the Bedford stop, the Bedford L stop, and just look around at people. Totally. Like, sit in a bar and look out the window and look at how people are dressed. And go to Beekman's closet. Yeah. Yes, go to Beekman's closet, of course. But like, that, yeah, I would just sit there and be like, do I want to look like her? Do I want to look like him? You know, because it was just a carnival of hot people and annoying people. They'll be wrong.

But that was the, maybe this is the thing about all youth culture. Certainly the thing about hipster culture was that like you hated it, but you also like wanted to be a part of it or you were a part of it, but you didn't want to admit that you were a part of it, but you wanted to look like them. Yeah. And 2005 was definitely like that was by that time you had the McKibbenlofts, you know, you had the Morgan Lofts. You had like that kind of emerging L train, North Brooklyn, hipster culture rooftop parties and all of that, which was what, yeah, which was what I kind of graduated into after college. Yeah. Yeah, the movies in 2005 are not looking good. No, they're really not. They're really not. Oh, it's the Devil's Rejects. Shout us to Devil's Rejects.

That was great. Yeah, they're licensing a lot, like King Kong, Charlie and Chocolate Factory. They're trying to take like these old properties and bring them back and kind of failing with that for sure. We're just kind of getting out of the fantasy franchising. So we've got Narnia. We've got Harry Potter on the heels of Lord of the Rings

being this like massive, smash hit type of thing. Oh, dude. This is the year that I had tickets to go see Mitch Headberg and he died a month before. Oh, my God. Damn. Damn. That was a big, that was a big hit for me because this was right as I was graduating because it was April of 2005 and I graduated the next month from high school.

And like that was like a really big, I was obsessed with Mitch Headberg at the, and I mean, so many people were. Obviously, I wasn't alone. But you might have, I mean, honestly, it may have been, like, incredibly sad if he had, if he had gotten to see him at that point in his life. Like, I heard there were shows. He would, like, just laid out on the stage and just, like, just be like, just tell me what, tell me what jokes you want me to say.

I know, I know. And it would have been so rough. But, no, it just, like, it was the first, like, big death that, like, really affected me. Uh-huh. As a youth. That, that I was like, how did he? and finding out that he died of an overdose, which is like, it made me so angry.

And, like, it really honestly made me look at my life. Because, like, I did a lot more drugs in high school than I did any other time. And I think that it did really influence me to be like, I should probably cool out a little bit. More than in college. You were crazy. Yeah, I was more of, like, I mean, I was a crazy drunk in, in and like doing like acid and stuff.

But like I did a lot of like other. I was I was I was uncontrollable in high school. In high school. Yeah. Man. Yeah. Another one. Now I'm sad.

But this is kind of a beautiful time is this is really like when we're all about to blossom and in a new way. Like this is really like kind of a pre really finding like a totally new, you know. Because Jackie, you end up like finding this whole. second life for murder fist in Tallahassee and like well I went in this is when I started as a meteorology major and like this is when I like at the the beginning of the next year is when I'm like what am I doing I think I want to be a comedian instead totally yeah yeah that was 2005 was really I was a doctor I know you're not chasing tornadoes right now I couldn't be it's so true you know you I know the kind of drinking problem you would have if you were a professional tornado chaser. You know what kind of person you'd be? You'd have a new name at this point.

You'd be like the shiv or something like that. Yeah, I'm the shiv. Because I get in all the holes. Right. Because you'll cut you'll slice about. Or she would have just been like a very charismatic like local meteorologist who would go viral all the time. Yeah.

So it would just be me like all of a sudden I have a really thick southern accent. And I'm just like wearing really short red dresses all the time. Another, another, it's kind of almost a little more wizard the bruisery. But I do think it just, it had some. such an effect on like even just normal party culture. So I have to bring it up like a guitar hero drops in 05. And I mean that plastic guitar peripheral just became this weird cultural phenomenon where like literally you would expect to go to a house party and have a room where people

were playing plastic guitars, you know, just totally normal part of like party culture in a way that was not in the past. like was not, you know, people weren't just playing video games at a party before that point, you know. Oh my God. They've been in the news. They've been in the news lately or Ashton Coucher has Ashton Coucher and Dimmie Moore get together in 2005. Oh. Yeah, it's so weird to hear about pop culture from 2005 because I'm like, I didn't know that.

I think I did know it, but I didn't care, you know? So it's like, oh, yeah, that happened. Yes. You know? Same thing. Even with the Brangelina stuff. I remember it happening. but I was so not tuned into it.

But it's amazing. Doing this year is amazing because this year for me felt like it was both like the happy. I was so happy to have like found the community that I did. But then all of my brother and all of his, the friends who were his age, they all graduated in 2005 and they all moved to New York. And like if you had asked me in 2005, I would have been like, my life is over.

Like I found this community. Then they're all leaving. Yeah. Like I made it to the, this place where I felt like myself, like I felt like I had evolved, you know, like to this, like better version of myself, this like, you know, such a young person, 18 year old thing. Like, and I had no perspective. And so I was like, well, now they're all moving away and like, will I ever have fun again?

No, and you know, will I ever be part of the community again? That was my year the following year because I made all these friends with Henry's friends. And then when he graduated in 06, I was like, who am I? Wait, you just gave me this life and you're taking it away. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. And it was so hard. And it was, but also it was good for me because I was like, all right, I got to do this without, without John, without my security brother.

I got to figure out what to do myself. And I did. And I like the kids who were in the comedy group who I wanted to be their best friends too, I just made it happen. I just willed it. I was like, I'm going to pretend. I'm a confident person. Hell yes. And I'm to pretend.

And then that was how I eventually found confidence was by pretending long enough that it like eventually stunk. Yeah. What was your next, like, friend group? Like, what was your next thing? Your next group? It was the same thing. It was the same comedy group, but it was just different. It was like, like, this one friend who I'm actually going to see in Pittsburgh at our, at our, he can't come to the show, but I'm going to stay with him the next night.

But, like, he was this, like, very cool, like, funniest person I had ever, ever interacted with. Like, and I wanted to be his friend so much, but I was like, he's too cool for me. I'm not cool enough to be friends with these cool kids. And after John and those guys left, I was like, well, I've got no one. So, I mean, I didn't have no. I also had these two other best friends who are a year older than me. And I was like, okay, I've got you guys, but I've got, like, who else do I have? I need to build this.

I need to build a community again. And I just, like, I truly just willed it to happen. And so if you are a young person out there and there's somebody who you want to be friends with, you can sometimes just just will it to happen. You mean manifest, bitch. Manifested. Yeah, manifest it. Do you want to walk home together?

Do you want to go smoke weed and watch Mr. Show together? And then we became best friends and I like built myself up again. But it's so interesting to be an older person now and look back on what like the total lack of perspective you have when you're young and just think like 2005. I truly thought like it doesn't get better than this. My life will never be as fun as this year was. And it's so strange to be in 2023 and be like, I have had so much fun since 2005. Right?

Like I didn't need to stay in 2005. but I couldn't see that at the time. Well, but also think about the part where at this point in your life, it was such a rare time in your life to find a whole new group of friends. I mean, how many times have you done that in your life? I've done that two or three times, maybe total, maybe four or five if you count like elementary school and stuff. Yeah.

It's actually rare to make that leap, though, too. So it's not that crazy to even feel that way because it's like it's such, you you know, you don't realize until later on in life when you just stop making new friends, you know, as a regular thing that you do, you know? And it's the shocking thing about being, becoming an adult is realizing like, oh my God, you can find your people and then your people like might move, you know, like you can't, it's not like when you're a kid and they're just like usually always around, you know, but like, I mean, what's special about you guys is that you all found each other in college

and just stayed together, which is like amazing. Yeah, which is an anomaly. Yeah, total anomaly. And I'm even still pretty cool. Like, we're not tight, tight. We don't, like, communicate all the time. I don't do a show with any of them. But it's crazy that I'm as cool as I am with a lot of my core high school crew.

Yeah. I've definitely maintained those relationships for sure. And there's also other people from college that I've never seen since. And that's completely fine, too. But it is, we are an anomaly for sure that we're still. I think that's in part why people are drawn to you guys, like, because it's like so, special to be like imagine finding your squad and then being able to spend the rest of your life with them. Like a lot of people do find their squad in college or in high school. Like a lot of young

people have the experience of like finding their squad feeling at home being like fuck yeah. But then everybody grows up and has to go their separate ways for work or whatever the fuck. And then you don't get to like keep that squad. Maybe you get together once a year for reunions and stuff. But like I think that one of the things that's so appealing about, you know, murder fist and the whole network and everything is like the idea that you guys, I mean, How amazing is it that you two have known each other since Jackie was 17? It's wild.

I know, it's almost two decades in a couple years. Yeah, dude. And two, you mean two beautiful decades of friendship, right, Holden? Yes, well, friendship's an interesting word to use in 2005, I guess. It's funny to think that we weren't like toyed initially, but yeah, it's definitely, weren't twight initially, especially because then murder fist started. There was a murder fist north and a murder fist south, and then that got weird. That was almost like a rivalry.

Yeah. It's like the south side surface. I wish I could to just grab myself and told myself how hard life was about to get and how much I need to relish what that last year was, you know. I think I spent more time being like, parties over or like, this is getting old. And I should have just been like, just sleep and just do whatever you want every day. Every day. God.

Smoking sigs, drinking wine. And not, you know, before this grind you're about to be in. None of it hurt your chest. Struggling so much. I just can't imagine that there was a time in my life that I could drink red wine without taking pills. Right. Like, that's insane to me. Like, I couldn't even imagine putting red wine up to my lips unless I prepared my stomach for days in advance.

That's where I'm at now. I can't imagine. Yeah, it's just so funny what's controversial in 2005. Because the big one that keeps popping up is like, Jude Law and what's her name, cheated on each other. And it's like, who gives a fuck today? Such a boros snorow now. Yeah, Siena Miller. Like, that's like the big.

It's a borough snoro. Yeah. Big borough snor. Even the brand and Angelina stuff, it's like, yeah, okay, you broke up and you got with somebody else. Sure, it's a scandal. It's sexy. Everybody involved is hot. Well, especially because the movie is so hot too. Yeah, the movie was really hot. I remember that.

I haven't seen it since then, but I remember at the time, I was like, you can feel the fire between them. And now I do wonder. I'm like, or were you just young and horny, Jackie? You were like, I need it. I love it. Well, I think that about covers it. I don't know what I can't. I can't dig anything else up from this year. We did it. We talked about it. I think this is an interesting one. Especially all the parallels, I feel like I'm drawing between this year we're currently in and 2005. This year feels like a bit of a transition year with everybody getting divorced and all this stuff going on like that. And like the internet's changing. You know, like Twitter is changing. Facebook is changing. Everything's changing. This is a big turning point year. Yeah. Like the big end of an era year for sure. And it's really interesting because I think 05 was just that as well. Yeah. All right, there you have it.

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