Page 7 - REEEEEEWIIIIIND 2008

Episode Date: April 21, 2022

Let's hop in the REEEEEEWIIIIIND machine and head back to the year 2008! Sarah Palin can see Russia from her house, Vampire fever is in full effect and Taylor Swift was still playing in the daydreams of every girl with fairy lights in her room. Want even more Page 7? Support us on Patreon! Patreon.com/Page7Podcast   Subscribe to SiriusXM Podcasts+ to listen to new episodes of Page 7 ad-free.Start a free trial now on Apple Podcasts or by visiting siriusxm.com/podcastsplus. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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Ah, the single ladies. It's a great year for pop music. Oh, it's an amazing year for pop music. It's an amazing year for a lot of things in 2008. Bad for Jackie personally, great for pop culture. Welcome to the 2008, page seven, rewind. Yes, so, and you might be wondering, like, we've only done one before this, I believe, right?

We did a couple. I think we've done two or three. Did we release 2001, though? Because the funny thing about 2001, is that we got into it. First of all, I don't think we were in like great spirits that day.

And then the thing about 2001 is it's like normal and then like this big, horrible, tragic thing happens. We did do 2001 because we weren't sure how to talk about 9-11. It kind of makes like pop culture a year in pop culture

like really difficult to talk about because it's just very dark and upsetting. And like we literally went from like, it's the year 2000 and everything's fine until like everyone wears black now. And like, it's just this dirge.

And so we were like, well, what do we do? Do we want to, you know, do we jump back in where we left off? Like I said, I don't even think we released 2001. We did not because it just, it also, yeah, it just got, it got too weird. And that's okay. Yeah, we were just, it was just a weird one, man. And so it was like, well, what do we do? Do we go back and redo that?

No, because I don't want to talk about 9-11 again. But maybe we could pick just a particularly interesting, at least in our opinion, year from pop culture history. And I led with, let's, you know, the year that starts with Britney Spears' total, like, mental collapse and all this craziness. And the resurgence of Britney Spears. But if you listen to the pop history episode in Britney Spears, there was a lot in between.

But this was a huge year for pop culture. This is the year that Obama came into office. I was going to say, and the financial crisis, the two. So we don't have a 9-11 level tragedy. No. But we do have a foundational... The thing that made my dad turn to drink. Like a foundational shaping event of the 2000s.

Like 2008, like, well, we will not hit the wall that we hit with the 2001 episode of like, uh-oh. We do have this, like, 2008 was, is a critical year that shaped everything after it. And so it, you know, in terms of politics with the financial crisis, but and the election of Barack Obama and like the golden fucking age of, you know, Beyonce and Jay-Z and Rihanna. And it was just, it was, there was so much going on in 2008. And it was my first year as an adult living on my own is the year I graduated college. And so a lot of emotions. There's a lot going to come up in this episode. Yeah, I think, I think there was a lot of like breaking the fourth wall on celebrities.

during this time. It also kind of became cool to be... I mean, this is like when Katie Perry exploded because I'm seeing hot and cold and I kissed a girl, which to me said like this was when Pop kind of got a little like, yeah, we're bad

and we'd like to be bad. And remember just what a different time it was. I will always think of when we watched the 2009 Christmas movie holiday and handcuffs and we were reminded that you know, this was just a time. I mean, let me look up when marriage equality,

like this was a time when it was still controversial for a presidential candidate to even be in favor of marriage equality, right? Right. This was a time, it was like, we were just in a very different cultural landscape, which, and, you know, in the era of like, you know, Perez Hilton and the whole Brittany downfall,

there was no ounce of like, maybe we just shouldn't be fucking awful monsters, you know, about everybody's personal problems. It was worse. It's the Perez Hilton era. It's also, I would almost title 2008, the name of a show, season one of a show that became hugely popular in this country, Breaking Bad. This kind of feels like the Breaking Bad. For us as a culture and for celebrities and for popular music and everything.

Like, it's, I feel like we broke bad. We all broke bad. Like, we totally made a mockery of, like, Britney Spears' massive mental health issues that we, and a large part had a huge hand in. Oh, the media had, it was a huge part of her downfall. But then by the end of it, you also had circus come out. This is a huge, like, fulcrum year for a lot of things. This is like, this is the same year that Miley Cyrus put out the Vanity Fair article.

I mean, she was in the photos of Vanity Fair. Oh, with her and her down. And everyone flipped out because they're like, she is a child star. but she was trying to show like, hey, I'm growing up, and this is me as I am an adult. I am not just a Disney star. And people are like, no, you're not Miley Cyrus. You are Hannah Montana. And that is what you remain.

And it's seeing things like that of like how far away in so many ways 2008 was from where we are now. it's really crazy to stop and think of like, we talked about this a lot in like 2000, in the year 2000 of like the monoculture. By now it's starting to spread and you can see the growing, you know, the changes and all of the like the pains, the growing pains that come from it.

Totally, right, because when we were doing the late 90s, right, what we were talking about like, this is, I remember like the first time I like sent emails and finding blogs that had like your specific, interests and like that was like late 90s early 2000 was like very very new by 2008 it's like still far from what the internet looks like now but you've got your gawker right you've got like you know your um your Perez Hilton like it's it's the internet has become a pretty central

part of everybody's daily life in a way that was very different than in 2000 um but again there's been the the accompanying slow eventual you know ugly fight for like using the internet for like I mean the internet's always been a merit some somewhat of a force of meritocracy of like elevating other voices but less so at this point right because it was like Twitter was kind of just becoming a thing yeah and there was just no sense of like should we not use the internet to just bully people um you know and so it was a very And I loved a lot of things about Gawker, but it was like a kind of like,

is the internet a tabloid? Like, you know. Yeah. So it's, it's 2007 that Jimmy Kimmel has that interview with, what's her name, Emily Gould,

about the celebrity map that they have. I don't know. Do you guys remember this? No. This, oh, dude, definitely watch this. It's like so uncomfortable.

She wrote a whole article about, like, how horrible this moment was in her life. You know, it was on Jimmy Kimmel? It was on, no,

Jimmy Kimmel was replacing what's his old man who died, who interviews everybody. Johnny. Jay Leno. No, big glasses.

He's still alive and he performs at slappers all the time. Big glasses and he's, oh, you know who he is. He interviews. Ed McMahon.

I refuse to say. Larry King. I just wanted to see you continue on describing Larry King. My verbal charades. A big man with flashes who interviews everybody. To be fair, that is Larry King.

He's dead. He's dead! He's dead! So he was replacing Larry King, had this young woman on, and she makes such a fucking ass of herself because it's so... Because she's trying to keep it like cute and funny and kind of do the Perez Hilton thing like...

Oh, so it's a stalker map. So it shows where they all live. Shows where they live. And it's, yeah, I was on Gawker. It was like, it was like the shittiest side of this. Like, really gross. Because Gokker did a lot of really good things, but it also had, it's like embracing, like, we are a tabloid, you know, we are like a sassy.

Yeah, and we suck and we know it. And she kind of came with that energy and he came with a genuine, like, you really think this is okay, this is not okay energy. And it is so uncomfortable. And it ruined this person's career and shed a big light on Gawker. So we're starting to actually realize like maybe these institutions. that are allowed to exist on the internet, like maybe we can call them out.

It was kind of like before call-out culture on the internet really was happening in a big way. It was like right around this time. You think about straight up with what was happening with Britney Spears, and I remember watching us being like, man, that's crazy. Yeah, just being like, wow, I'm so glad there's something to look at at my shitty day job today.

And how people talked about it is so drastically different than how we, We talk about it now. And when you're in it, I remember thinking, like, this is probably too much. But what do you, like, we didn't have the same. I mean, maybe there were the forums, but I wasn't as technologically tethered in 2008 as I am now. It was very different. It was a very different time.

It was right before I got like a real smartphone. Like I still had a Blackberry in 2008. That's funny. Which was a smartphone. But man, those, if my, I have very tiny hands. And I couldn't even. And my raccoon hands couldn't get into the typing sometimes. They were very small.

Because let's talk about where we were. Yeah. Yeah. Emotionally, physically during this time period. Yeah. I'm in very similar places you, MJ. I graduated early from college. So I was 20 years old and I tried to live at home.

So I graduated in spring. I tried to move home. I was going to move home for a year and save money. and I lasted about 17 days before I got a one-way ticket to New York City with a suitcase, with one suitcase. And I was like, well, guess I'm going to figure it out? It's exactly how I moved to L.A. when I was 30, which I don't know if that says a lot about me. But I changed my life very, not very often, but drastically when I do. and I was brutally sad

and I'll never forget the night that Obama won because that was the first time because that was, you know, remember for me, moving back to New York City. So I had a lot of feelings about it and I had a lot of feelings about my life changing and entering back into Murder Fist, even though I was the head of Murder Fist in college,

but then I had to go back to the bottom of the total bowl in New York and we're doing these like shows all the time and I just was thrust into this world. So even looking at it and remembering these pop culture moments as I'm like, man, I saw it through such a lens of transition and not knowing myself that all this stuff is coming back up. I'm like, oh yeah, and then that happened. Yes. And then that, like the Miley Cyrus thing where at the time I was like, she's like Penn.

Why is she on this? Like that's how I thought because I was so unchecked from reality. Well, right. Like not only was the. they're not a kind of like, you know, foundational internet politics that were fairly accessible, like the way there is now. And again, I'm not saying everything's great now. But like if you are like a person on the internet, like now you can like try to, if you want to learn about, you know, anti-racism or anti-capitalism or like disability advocacy or things like you can like, you know, you can like kind of figure things.

There's Instagram things. There's Twitter things where you can like find out things that shape the way and you can kind of like get a sense of like you know how you want to talk what kind of groups you want to be a part of or you identify with none of that was happening in 2008 and right I think it's exacerbated for us by the fact that we were not no longer kids but not yet adults like i uh 2008 must have been the year i met you jacky not a girl not yet a woman it's not that year for brittany spears and not yet of not yep neither Yeah, hold it. And so I was like, I remember talking to Henry

outside of, because my brother was hosting a weekly show at a place called Sound Fix in Williamsburg in 2008. And he discovered if you're going to host a weekly show and you want to have an audience there every time, what do you do but book Murder Fist every week? And so I think maybe Murder Fist was every other week. And so you guys were always the guests, but it was before Jackie had moved out.

and Henry was like, you know, talking to me because, you know, I was John's little sister and he was like, oh, I have a little sister too that I do comedy with too. She's going to be on her way out here. And he was like so excited. And but it was just like, it was a massive transition year for me. Like my first year, you know, living in New York,

my first year out of college, like trying to figure out what the fuck I wanted to do and be. And so like when I look at these songs, like the pop music from that, era, I just associate it with like incredible turmoil and transition. Like it is hard and scary being in your early 20s, even though now it looks like it sounds awesome. Now I'm like, no, man, that was really hard and really scary being a young adult. And the, you know, global financial system is fucking melting before your eyes.

But also Barack Obama is elected, which is like this remarkable, beautiful moment, especially in New York. city, I found out as the train was coming up from underground. Everyone was like parading through the streets. And that's when I was like, yeah, and okay, New York is back to be in my home, baby. Yeah, which also now that I remember it, so yeah, of course, I was like, actually, this was not a big transition year for me. This year was like, I was getting my really, like a firm grasp on what I was doing in New York at this point.

I had moved out of a horrible part of town and into a really great spot for, especially in your early 20s in Williamsburg, Brooklyn. I was like, in the part of town I wanted to be in. We weren't like where I wanted us to be. Like we still had day jobs and stuff. But like, in comedy, Murder Fist was like doing the thing I had intended for it to do. Like, we were performing all over the city, getting a name for ourselves. We had our regular pit show, I think, by that point.

Because I remember like going to that shitty bar that you went to after every pit show. back when it was the old pit that didn't have like a bar in it, um, uh, uh, in Midtown. Yes. And seeing single ladies,

the music video like on the TV that we were getting drunk at, like after a comedy show, like after doing our murder fist show. Hell yeah. So I totally remember that. I think, but you know, still working a day job I hated.

I think this was the year. Henry convinced himself he had cancer, um, even though it was literally just that he was sleeping like three hours a night and had three jobs. I mean, on top of trying to do, Yeah, your brain is so scattered.

You're like, there's something wrong with me. I don't have insurance. I don't have the time to deal with it. I don't know what to do. I mean, remember your, like, you couldn't pay me enough money to go back to 2008. Yeah. And we were both working at an office. We were, I believe, we were both working in enterprise community investments, this like

low-income housing office as like administrative assistance, essentially. It was a terrible, you know, one of the many horrible office jobs I had, but, you know, paid the bills. I was like making my own money though for the first time, you know, like kind of in a stride with that. But this is before my weird unemployment year. And yeah, this is kind of like a bright time, I think, for me, like looking at all this stuff that came out. Um, you know, going back to Obama too, I remember it really was the first time. Like, I was so blown away that like my president, future president was like sending me emails. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know what I mean? Do you? Did you remember that?

Yeah, and that he, like, knew who Jay-Z and Beyonce were. Like, remember when they, like, were at his, you know, performed at his inauguration ball? And I remember just being like... It was so cool. Yeah, and, like, you know, I was still a leftist then. And, you know, I was like, I was excited about Obama, but also I was like, you know, he's not quite as progressive as maybe, like, you know, he might, like, I was worried about how his presidency would be. but I remember just being like, like, it is fucking crazy that a president has Jay Z and Beyonce at his inaugural ball

because it felt like such a radical break from everything ever. I mean, ever so much about Obama was a radical break from everything ever. Yes. You know, and not always his politics, but everything about who he was, you know. And also about his approach, like the emails and, you know, and his family and just everything about it. And it was like really. The playlist, the Spotify playlist. The playlist.

Yes. Yeah. It was it excited. Like I feel like I remember. So do you guys, did you ever listen? Did you ever become DJ Earworm people? You know, he like always put out a end of the year. Yes.

Oh my God. Yes. Because you and YouTube is like totally firmly established like this massively popular, you know, website that had all those kinds of things on it. Like the master cuts. Right. Right. Yeah.

YouTube and it was, you know, YouTube was kind of the only. only game in town at that point. But like, you know, he, I remember New Year's 2008 going into 2009. He, that was when I just, you know, like first learned about DJ. And he put together like a super cut of all of the top, you know, pop songs from 2008. And it was such a, it was just a really, really good song. It's called the United States of pop. And, but like, and he does it every year. But the, the, the, it was like the story of 2008 was simult. Was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, like hope and tragedy, right? Because you had Obama and you had the financial crisis.

And that was also the case in my personal life. But it was like 2008 is just this really, really loaded year. Like, yes. And this actually goes hand in hand with thinking about this is the year of the dark night. Uh-huh. And January of 2008 is when Heath Ledger overdosed on January 22nd, 2008. this is another huge thing that the more I think about Dark Night

you realize how much is, like I can only speak of how old I was at the time, but being like 20, 20, oh my God, this was the year of my 21st birthday. That's why. That's also why I don't fucking remember anything. That that was, he was so beloved and he was so, like, that movie shattered

so much of what, I'm saying this also not as a nerd girl, but for me, the Dark Night and as someone that always enjoyed Batman growing, up seeing that, that was like, oh my God, this is like

the first time I had ever seen that dramatic of a superhero movie and Heath Ledger was just my everything between like, broke back mountain,

like I was just so in love with Heath Ledger and him dying was just like it made it more tangible for me to die. And I know that it's so dumb. But I think everybody has had a celebrity

that when they pass, you're like, oh my God. Oh, I can just die at any time. And like, yeah, I'm like, I'm not just like this person with their whole world, their whole life ahead of them. Yeah, you can just die.

You can also just be done. You can fuck up and you can die and you can not fuck up and you can die. Like it's like, I don't know, the Heath Ledger thing shattered me. That wave was so crazy though, too. From my perspective, he was, it was like, heathletcher announces the Joker. Everyone was like, what are you talking about? That's like ridiculous, you know what I mean? It was a lot of people who were like super skeptical online about it.

It's kind of one of the early, like, fans of a thing online, like, clapping back at a creative decision made by a studio, right? That was like, and then he dies, which, like, made everybody shut the fuck up in a huge way on all that. And then the movie comes out, and it's, like, one of the most iconic performances, not just in, like, a Batman thing or a comic book thing, like, but ever, right? And just completely floored everybody. and was maybe one of the biggest, like, movie theater events I ever saw, you know, like lines around the door. The other thing, and, and it was, like, amazing.

The other thing, I guess I'll go ahead and slip in here. This is also the year that Iron Man comes out. So if you were to point to the start of the Marvel Cinematic Universe, it happens in 2008. Oh, okay. Iron Man Iron Man comes out. Okay, gotcha. Establishes, like,

it is literally the first movie of the MCU. It, it establishes a bunch of things. Get a, like, indie direct, make a giant budget summer blockbuster indie movie. That was essentially what that movie represented.

Gotcha. It had, like, it had all this humor in it. It was made on actually a pretty tight budget for considering what it was. it was, because it was a Favreau directed it, I believe, right? Who'd only done, you know, like swingers and these kinds of things, right? And then he was put in as director.

And because I think it just wasn't as much studio pressure and things like that, they were able to make the movie they wanted to make. And if you look at what the MCU does, and a lot of, you know, comic book stuff, people do this in general. They put someone who's like an up-and-coming indie director into the, big boy, you know, directing role, right? Like, as almost like a test as, but, but that's where we got because that's where you get the splashiest stuff as opposed to like getting like a, you know, Christopher Nolan in there. He's like so established. It gets kind of lost in the sauce, I think,

when it comes to this kind of stuff. Like once they've made a bunch of big budget films. Whereas you can get like a John Favro and a Taika Watiti, we would later get. with Thor Ragnarok, where they're like, oh, they've shown that they can make a good, successful movie, and then give them, you know, give them the keys of the Marvel car and see what they can do. And sometimes it fails, like, I think Incredible Hulk also comes out this year.

I was going to say, this is like the Hulk before the Hulk, you know, the Edward Norton Hulk, right? Well, and he's never done, but even that Hulk is not, like, the successful Hulk. Hulk's never had his, like, own film that was a huge success, like a Hulk titled movie that was, it's kind of the weird thing about Hulk. You can plug him in, again, bring it back to Thor Ragnarok, which I think is maybe arguably the best MCU film to date.

You know, he plays such a huge role in that movie, but it's still a Thor movie. You know what I mean? You kind of plug him in where you want to utilize him, but for some reason he's never been able to, like, hold his own. Regardless, if you look in general, you've got, you know, Flops and big hits in superherodom that you have never seen before. I mean, you could, you know, there was, the Tim Burton Batman was huge, but kind of like one of a kind up to this point.

But this year, you've got Iron Man, Dark Knight, you have Hellboy 2, you know, but then other than flops. You remember. You know why so serious? You've got, but then you also have the spirit and incredible Hulk. You mean the horse movie? Yes, the horse movie. Oh, okay, and I definitely... You didn't mean the horse movie.

I definitely was with my ex at this point if Synecdochee, New York came out because I remember watching it with her. How you feel about that? How do you feel about your ex? We made love with each other in the night. Wow, that's really nice, though, for you. I want to say that it is 26 minutes in,

and I don't think we have yet, and we're talking about movies, and I don't think we have yet mentioned... We brought up Twilight. Yes, this is also the advent of the Twilight film franchise. I'm mad that I didn't know Twilight when the movie came out. I'm mad about it. I wish that I, I mean, if you hang out over on our Twybaby time, you will know that I was brand new to Twilight when I first started reading it over on the Patreon because at the time, I didn't

know anything about this. And when I saw bits of it and everyone hated the movie, I mean, Twy-Hards love the movie, but a lot of people that were, were forced to go see the movie, didn't like the movie, because I will throw it out there. Derided it. I think that the books, I don't want to say are a lot better than the movies, but they are, I think a lot better than the movies. And so please never just watch. Don't watch just the movie and think, oh, these must be horrible.

The books are actually very fast-paced and they're fine, finely written. They're entertainingly written. So I am, I'm sad that. I didn't get caught up in the Twymania. That must have happened because it's like when the first Harry Potter movie came out, I was it with a, you know, with a robe on and I had my wand that I made and I was so excited,

like in the same way that I would wait outside, you know, the book's a million and I would sleep out there the night before so that I could get the book, which as if like what, I don't know, you know, it was just a cool thing for us to do. So I'm sad that I missed out on twice. the fandom of the movie.

And I apologize if you like the movies more than you like the books. It's funny, you weren't old enough or young enough. I was right. If you were 21, you just were not, it was not for you. I didn't give a shit. Between that and high school musical, too. This is the third high school musical year too. We're like, that's one of the biggest like premieres of a movie.

Like it was such a huge thing as I'm looking this up. but I'm like, I don't know anything about high school musical. I completely missed the entire boat. That whole, like the, we were just, there was a whole, you know, kind of Disney Channel ascension of like, including Miley Cyrus in Santa Montana, including like Cole and Dylan Spouse with like the Sweet Life of Zach and Cody, that if you were a little bit younger than us mid-80s babies,

like if you were late 80s or early 90s baby, you know, all these people who then went on to be like, you know, the next generation of like hot, famous, people, but to me, we're always just like, oh, that's for like kids, like a little younger than me, like, I'm, you know, 21, so I don't know high school musical. Why would I? Because I'm not watching, like, kid things. But then, of course, right, now it's like Zach Ephron. It's like, basically my age. But at the time, that age difference felt huge, you know? Right. Totally. I also want to throw a movie trend out there that takes me back, like, so hard.

hard. Makes me hard. How hard are you for this movie trend? Yeah, I'm so sorry, guys. I'm like weirdly incredibly hard right now and I don't know why. It's all the Twilight talk. I know.

Twilight just gets you start thinking about Bella. She's twitching. Oh my God. They start playing baseball and you're just furiously. Until she dies. Yeah, well, baseball makes me crazy hard. But we didn't do to get that. No, 2007, paranormal activity came out.

2008, Cloverfield. comes out. So this is the time of the heyday of found footage, which I loved. Love found footage. The found footage trend. I saw Paranormal Activity 2 in the theaters and it was so much fun. I don't know what you're, that maybe was

2009, and I remember paranormal activity like getting a bunch of people together. It might have been 2008 when this actually happened. Getting a bunch of people together, turning out all the lights. Yes. Full of people and watching the first paranormal activity and how much fun we had

and how hard it was for me to sleep. the next night after that night after watching it like it was such a huge one and then cloverfield comes out was like oh man that's so smart which also means this is j j abrams right is that also mean yeah j this is also like it's like the in there are seeds we did not know were being planted the marvel cinematic universe a twilight b i do also have to say on in addendum to twilight and i remember j j j abrams this really goes to show being a literature slash theater major and just getting out of college, I was way more excited and thought

people should be about the reader being turned into a beautiful movie. And I was like, now that is a book turned into a movie and that's how you do it. That's how I felt about Revolutionary Road, which also came out of 2008. Oh my God, Richard Yates' book, Revolutionary Road,

which I read. No wonder we became friends so young. It's a fantastic book and the movie was pretty good. And oh, but also if you were sad in 2008, oh boy, I was revolutionary. I wrote a great book at movie combo to experience. Also, if you were a sad man, you ever seen a one trick pony

in the field so happy. The wrestler came out. Oh my God. The wrestler. You seen me. I loved that movie, and I saw that in the theater and watched it several times.

That was like, this was honestly a fan, and especially like doing this a lot with Words and the Bruiser, this is a really fucking good year. Yeah, don't mess with the Zohan. I was going to say, are we going to talk about? Don't mess with the soul.

And Anna Jones, the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull. You've got Will Smith's classic. I can't believe you didn't get Oscar for that. Hancock. And then slap somebody at the same award show for Hancock. Yeah, I mean. Four Christmases with, you know, what's their names? Oh, weird.

And recently. But also, speaking of what you were talking about with found footage movies, I didn't realize let the right one in also came out this year. Great. And this was a big resurgence. Because remember, I think it was right before it was, or maybe it's just forever. And because I don't, it's hard to say it. I don't give that much of a fuck about zombies.

Until like you get to like a 28 days later. Like that was fun for me. But then let the right one in and Twilight, that really bumped up the vampire shit again. Which if I had been like, if I'd let myself be the goth woman that 21 year old me wants it to be, I would have really loved it. the time I just pushed against it instead. Well, we were living life a lot around this time. Like, we were just out doing shit. Yes, that's the thing.

And by doing shit, I mean fucking people. Like, that was the thing. And we were performing all the time. I will say, though, another like, oh, this was kind of where I was at in my life. Definitely, this was a huge year for that bootleg, a DVD. DVD? DVD? The place that just said fruit above it was just this weird guy.

Oh, my God. You'd like that store. That jerk off boots in the back. I was thinking of the DVD people that would come in when you were at the bar and they would sneak up behind you and scare the shit to you and go, DVD? And you're like, get away for me. Oh my God, I don't want one of your, but then sometimes you'd be drunk enough and be like, all right, let me see what you got. Let me see. All of these movies, I just see the DVD with like the written name of like Cloverfield or Benjamin Button or.

This was around the time, yes, period that my sister started taking the movies. yes, Jessica, I'm throwing you under the bus, but in a good way, we would get the DVDs from Netflix that were sent to us, and we had a DVD burner. And so my sister, like, burned all... So every movie from, like, 2009 and before, we have on a burned DVD at my mom's house.

Yeah, yeah. If we're talking about movies, and this can also be a segue to music, too, we have to... I don't know what point there is to this, exactly, but it feels significant that this was Niconora's Infinite Playlist and the year after Juno

but the Juno soundtrack was still like dominating in 2008 and there was just this like, it was like this sad the popification of sad boyness, right? Like like yeah, like because you know bright eyes and and you know, emo and whatever preceded that but then

it not in a bad way the popification of sad boyness like the mainstreaming of of sad boyness of like the, you know, the, like Kimia Dawson or sad girlness, sad peopleing is like the, you know, the kind of, the aesthetic of Juno and Nicodora's infinite playlist of just like, you know, you dress a little different than other people and you like listen to people who just only have an acoustic guitar. And I loved it. I loved Juno, absolutely loved at the time. And I loved the the whole, like, this

thing that had kind of felt like a subculture, you know, was starting to feel more like pop-poppy culture. But I had no problem with it. I was like, all right, let's have more Kimia Dawson. Kind of like your president, knowing, like, being friends

with Beyonce and Jay-Z. It was like this blending of cool. And I think that that was largely due to the internet finally really being a place where, like, Like, you have no excuse to not know these different songs and, you know. And I'll add to that in terms of Beyonce, I think 2008 was probably the first year that I started to really appreciate pop music. Like, before that, I was still, because I was a college kid and I still had something to prove, you know, and I was like, yeah, no, I agree.

Yeah, it was all mountain goats. All mountain goats. It was a sin to like, yeah, you were like so lame to like it because. You know, the boy band thing and everything, it was just so, pop music was so geared in TRL. It was so geared to like the specifically like high school girl or like middle school girl. Yeah. That once you got to college was like, oh, no, no, no, we listen to Flaming Lips now. We listen to Mountain Ghost.

We listen to Postal Service. But yeah, this, you've got single ladies. You also have Kanye's love lockdown. Yes. And Rihanna. And this is the beginning of Sasha Fierce as well. So this is when we start seeing that like Beyonce is also playing with different of like, like different forms of her character,

which is cool as shit. And also, I just want to do a quick return. I did not realize that Miley Cyrus is 15 in the Vanity Faire Finghages. Well, you're talking about the pictures where she's like nuzzling her dad, right?

Nazzling her dad in the back list. Yeah, and she's naked and she has like her shirt off in the one with the sheet over. She looks like a vampire though. So it's like I feel like it is like the kind of because like she's got this very like fair makeup.

on in her red lips and it makes me think of like a Bella or maybe I'm just not like the other girls like she is. Also, did we mention True Blood also came out in 2008? Did it really? Oh my God, we were right. Yes, this is the beginning of the vampire research. This is the vampire. Of course, yeah, Twilight, True Blood, let the right one in.

Holy shit. This was, vampires were the shit in 2008. It was the year of the vampire. And so was being draped on your daddy like Miley Cyrus's and some of these pictures. of her and Billy Ray Cyrus, RIP, their marriage. Which makes so much sense, because the vampire is this, like, anti-hero, this, like, evil bad kid protagonist, right? And this is also the year of Breaking Bad, and this is the year of Britney Spears Breaking

Bad, and this is also Lady Gaga Just Dance and Katie Perry kissed a girl. This is the year of, like, we're bad, and we know we're bad, and we like to be bad. Yes. You know what I mean? Because I also think, like, when is Paris Hilton? like initial height of popularity. Is that happening? That's already happened.

A little earlier because I think the single life. Simple life, yeah. Is that what it was called? Simple life. Was 2003. Okay. So like early reality. So she had her,

Lindsay Lohan and all of them are kind of. And it ended in 2008 five seasons. Okay. Oh, okay, great. And so yeah, that's been firmly established like the party girl kind of bad girl thing is kind of, firmly established, but hitting a peak, I feel like, in 2008.

You know, it's because it's like it had enough time to permeate that it's finally like, we're seeing it in music and we're seeing like songs and movies and stuff are being, and that's so what the vampire is, right? It's like, I'm bad and I know it, but like I have to be this way. And it's so sexy. Yeah, and it's sexy and we know it's wrong, but we still have, they're still our hero in this movie. Oh my God.

This is when Merlin began. too. I loved Merlin. Nobody cares about Merlin. Okay, fine. I care. A mini-series? No, kind of. Also, y'all, I vaguely remember Merlin. I believe, at least if my list is correct, that I'm looking at, this is the year of Taylor Swift's love story. Yes. And that's the one that he went short skits.

No, no, well, that might be the same album, but loves this a love story. you know, Romeo and Juliet. That one, yeah. Baby just say yes. Yeah, yeah. That was also part of my begrudgingly admit, for some reason I was much more ready to admit that I loved Beyonce that I was ready to admit

that I loved that sound my tailors with. Well, I think it's obvious. It's a lot cooler to like single ladies than love stories. And also Sasha fierce. I mean, what a way to get back into pop music of just like watching Beyonce just rip it the fuck up. Yeah.

But that was, but it was, Again, it was such a good year for pop music that it was impossible to maintain my too cool for it stance because even Taylor Swift was so good. Yes, there was pink. I'm gonna start a fight. It was a tough girl era. Yes, super bad girl, tough girl, super duper.

Yeah, I mean T Swift's definitely playing still the like, she's a good girl. You know, every girl with fairy lights in her rooms, daydreams or whatever. But you have that. Also, shout out to Lil Wayne, big, I think. Is this the Carter? Yeah, the Carter 3, which is probably his best album was this time.

In terms of hip-hop, Kanye was huge, but I think no one was bigger than Lil Wayne in terms of hip-hop in 2008. And also, flowrida. Never forget low. Right. Get low, babe. The classic. Yeah. Sorry, I popped over to the Oscars, and I forgot this is also the year that Slumdog Millionaire won big at the Oscars.

Oh yeah, it was a great year for film. And I purchased all of those movies for $5 at the bootleg DVD store. And they were great versions. Oh, God. Wally was great. Yeah, big year. Pixar is like just Pixar is undefeated. And then again, Wally, another, I feel like, you know,

indicator of the like anxiety of the moment too. Like total, you know, there was, I feel like, Wally was a reflection of a like, of like, where are we going with this, right? Like, what are we headed towards? And that's totally what the, this era of the 2000s felt like. I mean, it felt, you know, it was like this joy and relief to, for, for liberals at least, and people on the left to have like the end of the W, you know, of the W era. But it also felt like, things are so good, we can be bad again. Yeah, yeah. But it also felt like kind of like staring off the edge of a cliff.

Like what, you know, what happens next? Now we know about climate change. Like, we know about, you know, I felt like a lot of, there was a lot of like uncertainty and anxiety about the future. And I think Wally was a huge representation of that. More of a 2007 thing. But she won the Grammys for Best New Artist and all this kind of stuff in 2008. And I know, Magda Rehab.

Yes. No, no, no. So let's talk about bad girl motherfucking years. here. This was Amy Winehouse's Peekha. And again, oh, Brady Spears having this incredibly public mental breakdown and it's insane. She's shaving her hair. The biggest song in the world

right now is about someone refusing to go to rehab. Yeah. Like, all of these people, you know, and then it's about to be the biggest show in the world, but it's definitely has a strong opening with Breaking Bad and and it being like, yeah, sometimes good dads have to do bad things to support their family. There was this embrace of like being, um, being bad and being, and,

and kind of like glorifying it and romanticizing it, twilight, whatever. How dare you. Ouch. How dare you? And that is such a staring off the cliff, MJ, because it's definitely all leading towards the, um, you know, that shit having a reckoning. Right. And, and, you know, and Amy Weinhouse is going to die in 2011. A couple years later, all these things kind of the, the, the, the, the, come to pasture or whatever the fuck you want to call it. You know what I mean? Yes. They all hit Ritcha catharsis.

This is like right before we're about to go over the falls with all this stuff and have to actually admit to ourselves, you know, eventually how fucked up it was that we made a mockery of Britney Spears's mental breakdown. That just because you're like a website on the internet that has a lot of traffic doesn't mean you're established and worthy of respect and unworthy of any kind of calling out or anything. Right. I was just trying to desperately find of the, uh, because Chris Brown is at a lot of the tops of these lists as well. And I was like, when was, when did he beat the shit out of Rihanna? It was February of 2009 is when the, um, photos came out. And that is kind of, I think that actually, people still listen to Chris Brown, which I don't fucking understand. And he literally has continued his track record of like violent, uh, uh, outbursts and stuff. Like, he's clearly not gotten

better. I hate it. No redemption. I can't believe it. But in a world where there's people outside, you know, screaming positively about R. Kelly out front of the courthouse. I mean, you know, it's just people are idiots, dude. And, like, that is sort of, it's this creepy, like, foreshadowing or this creepy foreboding, like, pre-the pre-game to, like,

where we got to with, like, Trump on Twitter and people believing in QAnon. And, like, because it's, we're just starting to realize. realize like, okay, you used to have to, like, write a book and get it published and, like, make sure it was peer reviewed and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And now you can just be like, I'm Perez Hilton. I want to take a big shit on celebrities. I'm going to create a website. And it's going to be on the same level as People Magazine, New York Times, whatever you

want to put it up with, right? It's straight up against those things in popularity, if not more popular, right? So, like, it's kind of like the internet got its puck. Like, real world was forever changed and reality TV was forever changed with the introduction of puck. And I think, like, the introduction of Perez Hilton and even Gawker to a lesser extent and things like that, it was kind of like the shitifying of the internet and kind of where we had, there was all this promise of like all this information is at our fingertips and

it's going to be incredible and everyone's going to be so much smarter and learned and we're going to have better conversations about things that information was like, but no one thought like, oh, also though, a complete idiot can say something really dumb and it'll be put right up next to the peer-reviewed, scientific, whatever it is, smart, actually, you know, having a basis in reality article.

And no one can tell the difference, especially not some old man in Florida. You know what I mean? can't tell the difference in there and that's that's why he's out front of the building with storming it with a big old blue striped flag in his hands beating the shit out of a police officer this is also the year of i can see russia from my house and when you have people like that running for president saying i could see russia from my house and like that whole thing and like the beginning of like really like i i think finally having a magnifying glass over things in

some good ways, I think, as well. In the beginning of that, just like, what was this crazy woman talking about? Right. Okay. And also, again, like, not to keep bringing in the politics of this, and you're totally right-hold of. Hey, we're talking about everything. Yeah. Politics is a huge part of pop culture because of Obama and Sarah Palin. Right. And, like, let's think about, you know, sometimes during the Trump

years, there was like this kind of hearkening back to John McCain in, like, a better time and, like, oh, this was a simpler time. But, like, let us, in addition to, Sarah Palin kind of being like the first, like a certainly pre-Trump Trump, right? There was also, you know, there was this moment where like in a televised debate, an audience member was like, well, I heard that Barack Obama was a Muslim and John McCain's response was like, no, no, no, he's a good man. And everyone kept, people during the Trump years would reference that, like, John McCain was such a good man for saying that.

And it's like to just show you where the discourse was, that the worst thing you could you know, I mean, there was so much racism towards Barack Obama, but one of the worst things you could say was that he was Arab or that he was Muslim, right? And that there wasn't, that, you know, that the response, the most dignified response is like, no, no, no, he's not. It's okay. Like, and so, you know, there was some of the good things about the internet for me and my own political formation, and I think for a lot of people were things like, you know, color, like these, you know, blogs that taught you things like color lines, feministic. Like that was when I started being able to read other voices that helped to develop my political perspective.

You know, even like the nation, which was a magazine that became a, you know, had a really good, you know, website at that time to, you know, in terms of like people dissenting against the Iraq war. Like there was interesting good things going on on the internet also, but we hadn't yet moved away from the monoculture as, at least as it was shaped by like, you know, whiteness and Christianity and heterosexuality and all these things. such that it was still just the shock that somebody like Barack Obama, you know, could, you know, could become president because it was just, we were still very entrenched in some of these institutions that now in 2022 feel still very powerful, but a little bit less entrenched. We were so entrenched in them in 2008. We couldn't even see out. It's funny to, not only were we getting, like, for the first time, emails, from our president, which was crazy, right? Which felt so cutting edge.

But on top of that, it was the first time we actually saw internet backlash to like a presidency, like an election. Yes, right. And then we, you know, I just, I connect myself with the people, even though I never actually did it myself because like I hate doing stuff like that. We would, of course, return the favor when Trump gets elected,

you know, eight years later and like, and flip the fuck out in an online way. You know what I mean? And that is a first. I mean, 2008, that was the first time you saw Facebook set on fire with like super negative, you know, people posting screen caps of like their shitty uncle freaking out about a black man being elected president. You know what I mean? Yeah, think about all the memes and the way that Facebook perpetuated racist memes about Obama. You know, it really was like a lot of the racial anxiety that was going on at that time was all played out on the internet with your with your family members. And the divide started in 2008, I think, online and started gaining steam up all the way up through till now, right? Or especially up till January 6th, whatever, 2020. I think that's right. I think that 2008, because of the election of Obama, was this very, was a year that, as history books are, written 50 years or 75 years from now, and probably even now, you could point to as like, this was the start of the reaction that then let.

to Trump. But also, it was a reaction to. It is a reaction to, and I think it's like, I, again, liberal love it. I think this was the beginning. I don't think the liberal mockery of those people helped, or I think it did help Trump get elected. Also, John Stewart hosts the Academy Awards this year. That means Daily Show is huge. Sarah Palin, played by Tina Faye. Yes, huge. You have these huge, big belly laughs at the conservative right all over the internet and media. She didn't even necessarily, she did not say she could see Russia from her house.

But even as I was saying, I'm like, I thought that that was gospel because of the SNL sketch that came out. So it's like in my brain because I'm so, you know, encouraged by the media that I see that you don't look at. it up. You're just like, oh, that's probably it. Think about the media landscape at this time, right? Like the way, when the, I don't remember when the Tom Cruise jumping on the couch thing happened, but that was also the mid-200, maybe 2005. But you can definitely bring up Tropic Thunder

in this conversation that came out in 2008. Which is a huge, but please, MJ, continue. I was just going to say that the way that media was shared was different too. Like, the clip of the clips of Tina Fey as as Sarah Palin,

it would be like, that would be the clip of the day, right? Whereas now if you're online, it's like there's, sometimes there's a clip that everybody sees that day, but usually it's, now it's more like there's, you'll see 40. Water cooler talk switched from like the show everybody watches every Thursday and then they talk about it on Friday, they talk

about Seinfeld. It's switched to waking up in the morning and going into work and looking at the internet and the first big thing and then you go to the water cooler. Yes. We weren't really watching TV like that anymore. In fact, Madman, I believe is established at this

point. Madman came out in 2008. Oh, did it? So, so yeah, no, 2007, I think it started. Oh, okay, but it's like huge. But regardless, it's like getting popular, breaking bad. We're watching a lot of Prestige TV. And it's a lot less, but the water cooler like, can you believe that what happened in a funny way or whatever? It was all these like clips we saw on Reddit or whatever, you know, BuzzFeed or whatever. And it was slower moving. So like, and I bring up the Tom Cruise couch example, because like if that happened now that probably wouldn't even have that much momentum because like a four minute clip doesn't really go viral anymore. But back then, you know, a four minute clip did because it wasn't TikTok. Oh five, by the way, it was the couch jump. O five, yeah. But like, you know, so the SNL

sketches had this, you know, they've always shaped, shaped pop culture discourse. But it was like, it was like the internet was shaping things, but it wasn't as fast as it is now where now you just have like 2,000, you know, people using one audio clip on TikTok an hour. Zoom's right past you, though. Right, it zooms right past you. But whereas this was a time when if you went viral, you could really get fucked with a video, you know, because it's like, oh, this, yeah, this, now this four-minute video is the only thing people are going to talk about for several days, you know?

And people are dealing with that now for the first, like now there are books written about what it is to be derided on social media for a day. or a week or whatever there are. Even when something like the slap goes down, we all know like, damn, forever now Chris Rock has got to deal with this event. And it totally like overshadows all of the hard work

he put into his stand-up, up to that point. Because now, whenever his name comes up, like, we know how it works now. Whereas back in the day, we didn't. And that's why I think we were way more ruthless when it came to our collective mockery of anybody who, stood out as dumb or whatever or like, you know, especially with, you know, obviously like,

I still believe, you know, voting Obama novice was like being on the right side of history and like this amazing thing. But like to get there, everybody, I think collectively who was on the side of that same side was like, yeah, and also fuck you, you stupid idiot, Sarah Palin, you're fucking dumb as fuck. You know what I mean? Like it just, and I think that it started like the, the snowball that led to literally still in Florida when I went to visit giant flags and, you know, stuff saying Trump 2020 or don't blame me. You know, like crazy like sports team, the sports teamification of politics, the seat of that was planted around 2008.

And it was because of the internet. And it was largely due to, and like the Obama getting elected in. And I think the way that like we as a people. handled that and handled things like the Britney Spears thing. Now when something happens like the slap or something like that, there's like a million sides and takes. And it's like, and there's always, there's got to be me versus you going on, right? I think that all kind of began around 2008.

And we didn't just, we just didn't know what the effect of the internet and like social media and media online would have in these like greater capacity. back then. We were so innocent and thinking it was just funny to dance to a song about refusing to go to rehab. Right. And, you know, thought it was funny that a grown woman would shave her head off, or shave her all her hair off in front of a bunch of cameras because she was losing her fucking mind. Right. You know, if that makes sense. Bad girl. Bad girl summer. Bad girl summer, but also sex in the city, bad girl summer, because this is when the first movie came out.

Well, I'm more of a lipstick jungle guy myself. One of the list goals I have was like, ABC or whoever's like attempt at Sex of the City came out with lipstick jungle. Lipstick jungle. But this is also Real Housewives of New York City

debuted in 2000. You're not about reality. But that's also then a beginning of a resurgence of reality as well. This is a huge year for a lot of things. And it's crazy to me that even just with where I was in my head space, I was barely aware of any of it. But that was again, like you guys are talking about, back when you could be

still barely aware in, like now there's no excuse anymore. Even like 2007. Two years after 2008, there was no excuse anymore. Keeping up with the Kardashians came out 2007. Wow. Yeah. So yes, reality is about to have this like massive research. And again,

I forget what years it was, mocking Parasilden for her sex tape, mocking Kim Kardashian for her sex tape without asking any questions about how that was released, about how we got a hold of it. We didn't care. It was fucking great.

Love it. Can't get enough it. And how can I watch it? Yeah. And there was no conversation about like, hey, maybe this is really fucked up. Was this consensual?

Right. You know what I mean? Like, Right. You know, I mean, it's like kind of, we were so just, we were bad girls. We were so just, you know, just, yeah, no one checked anyone like they do now on this kind of stuff. And there wasn't, yeah, there wasn't even a framework that could suggest that you should, you know, there was people, there's always been people doing this work. There's always been, you know, people with politics.

The politics have always been there. But in terms of the mass, you know, yeah, the mass awareness. consciousness around it. That was not, I feel like that changed with the internet. And then with like, you know, there was a lot of starting around 2010, 2011, there was a lot of movements, right? There was Occupy. There was a movement for Black Lives. There was like this growing, and that, when Occupy's started. 2011. And then 2010, before that, there was a huge teacher strike in Wisconsin. I just say the full phrase, Occupy Wall Street, the protests. Yeah. But like, I think that, you know, in the years subsequent to, like, you were just saying,

saying, Jackie the year, subsequent to 2008 is when there becomes this rolling consciousness building where it kind of becomes harder and harder to keep talking in the same ways. But yeah, this was, 2008 was a time where it was like there was zero fucking concept of slut shaming, right? And the sex tape thing. There was zero fucking in the mainstream. There was zero concept of, you know, again, we didn't even have marriage equality in federally until 2015.

We didn't have in New York State until 2010. In 2008, I don't even think Obama ran on marriage equality. So heavily based on discourse too. And again, another big marker. Twitter launches in 2006, mid-2006. So Twitter is a baby. And I think that, like, again, talk about like a snowball effect. Like, Twitter is this, like, giant crazy monster that's like,

changed everything about that. And a lot of ways, but also a fucking nightmare that I wish would end. Like, it's so, but, but like, back in the day, people weren't like, I got to get off Twitter. Like, in 2008, no one was talking about how evil and terrible Twitter is. Everyone was still joking like, what do I use this for? Oh, I just ate a sandwich. What is this even for? What do they have?

Yeah, this is so weird. Why would you just talk in these like sentences? Yeah. You know, but it's like, but it's a really great way to share like news really fast and this kind of stuff. But there was no, again, it was like we were building, creating a monster, but we had, we didn't realize it yet. Yeah.

And there was some good things about the monster, which I guess is true about many monsters. Yeah, yeah. Yes. Oh, totally. Not all bad. As a monster fucker myself, I can say yes. Some monsters are great. I think Breaking Bad is like such a perfect show to come out in 2008

because it's totally the beginning of creating what's his name, what's his like alias or whatever in Breaking Bad like Herschel or forget what it is. Dr. Manhattan. No, I just actually truly don't remember. I don't remember. I, it's so funny how obsessed I was with that show knew everything about that show, kind of like Game of Thrones and how little I remember. Heisenberg. Heisenberg.

Jesus. He did not exist yet, but it was starting to be created. Right? And I think in a larger sense, Heisenberg was starting to be created in 2008, but we had no idea we were headed for Heisenberg. Like, we had no idea. We were still in the phase of like, oh, he's just a dad and he's, you know, he's made, you know, he's, he's a human being. And he's just, he's trying to provide for his family. So he's doing some bad girl shit. You know what I mean? Also, how much of the monster was already there, right? Because Barack Obama's election awoke a sleeping monster, which was. was like, oh, this country, we're fine. Yes, there's a little bit of racism, but not that much. And then Obama is elected and it's just like, oh my God, we've never been fine. It's always said that, you know.

I had not seen temper tantrums from grown adults like I saw on social media after he was elected. And to get to be on the winning side, it was a lot of fun, right? Not so fucking fun eight years later. Right. Right. Not fun to see, to be on the side, like to be seeing literally friends of mine being like, I have, daughters, how am I supposed to raise them in a country where Donald Trump is president after the things he said about women? I slapped that IUD and me faster than I could say, get fucked Trump.

You know, and they weren't wrong, but I was also like, dude, this is like a lot to be putting on Facebook. You know what I mean? Like, it was just so crazy, like the whole thing of it, you know, was, and, yeah, it was, it was really, really interesting. This is, I'm so glad we did this year because it just, It really is, it's like the end of, in a lot of ways, like a really evil culture around celebrities, kind of the beginning of the end, but also the start of like so many things that led to literally a bunch of people storming

the fucking Capitol building. But also, Beyonce and Jay-Z got married in 2008. So it was the beginning of a lot of beautiful things. Was he cheating on her yet or would that happen later? Who knows? Who knows? And Angelina Jolie and Brad Pitt had their twins. in 2008. So it was the beginning of a lot of creations of families.

So that's a positive. Look at me. Look at the silver linings. And hey, the redemption story, I mean, it's kind of amazing that January, the year starts with Brittany's complete breakdown. And it literally ends December. Circus hits number one on the album charts.

I'm seeing all these lists talking about, again, her amazing comeback in 2008 when like she was in a conservator. ragging like and she's no yeah she's been trapped like this well that wasn't her comeback just because she was on how i met your mother and everyone's like oh man brittney spiers is doing great it's like but she wasn't so for me that is still such a uh a tender thing that that this brittney spears is quote unquote comeback is on every single one of these media lists that makes me think of like nah y'all just felt bad because you pushed a woman past the brink of sanity And then we're like, but see, she won Grammy. She's fine. I cannot believe this year also ends with two of my favorite movies of all time, getting to see them in the theater as they came out. Is it Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull?

Oh, amazing. No, there will be blood and no country for old men. The two grumpy old, I call it the grumpy old man, almost trilogy. It does make me want to do 2009 because the things I'm seeing that are spilling over into 2009. Definitely. We didn't even get into the fashion like gladiator sandals

and maybe everyone was just upset because their feet were so cut up. I'm starting to think 2011 is also going to be a really interesting year because that kind of feels like a year of wreck. 2011 was... That's year Amy. Winehouse dies. And I think the year we start going like,

oh, maybe we shouldn't have just been like mocking her incessantly on Perezhilton.com because like maybe they do actually catch wind of that and it feeds their drug addiction and anxiety. depression and it can lead to death. Nah. Like maybe we have a larger effect.

Boring. No one was responsible for anything in 08, like on a larger scale. Like, and, and yeah, it's kind of funny because we all just turned on celebrities. It's really funny, you know, how that all happened. Like, and even the most popular stuff was like hate, like half, half because people hated it like keeping up with the Kardashians, because people resented her for, you know, in their minds becoming this like massive success because of a sex tape you know yeah so crazy and yet there's things like the michael phelps like that was the year that that was that year all of those

wait was that the area also with the weed though was no i don't know if it was the same is that oh nine i just see it on this list of uh you know 2008 that that was when he got eight gold medals and no one had ever gotten eight gold medals before so i'm assuming his weed thing must have been either the next year or the year after. Yeah, I'm trying to look at it out. I think it's, okay, I think it's 09. So at this point, like, I remember watching the Olympics and thinking like, you know,

that's the kind of thing that anybody can get behind, right? It's the Olympics. Right. But I also just love the Olympics. And you guys know I love the Olympics. Well, yeah, that's big. I mean, Michael Phelps, it's kind of one of the last big,

I think he kind of was like the last big star of, And Sean White, he was at the Oscars this year, so I guess he never lost it. Yeah, but yeah, Michael Phelps was like, yeah, this was like the last big year for the Olympics, kind of maybe ever at this point. He could come back, who knows. I feel like that the takeaway is that 2008 wasn't a like normal year, but if there was ever such a thing, it was like the last normal year. Because everything went, everything, something fucking bat shit wild and insane happened every single year since 2016. and including at the end of 2008 with the financial meltdown. So I feel like...

It's bad girls summer. It's bad girls summer. It could all be connected. It all comes back to bad girls summer. It's like everything's about to change, but we don't know how. Let's just... I think we, and I think we did, if you believe in energy and stuff like that. I think we did like throw so much nasty energy out there and like just with rehab and

with Perez Hilton and with the mockery of British fears. Like if you believe in that sort of thing, I could definitely see. how we like put, we like, we made our bed, man. We made a big, nasty bed and then it just, it just fucking dominoed

over the next several years, right? Like, but there was so much, you know, hope was like the word of the year too, which is so crazy. Like hope and change and all that stuff. Yes, we can. Remember when we thought we could? Is this how I ever gave a flying

about politics? We couldn't. We couldn't. We couldn't. And then we did not. We could. I remember the other funny thing was, when he got elected. I remember that website that person made with all of the things he promised

and how it was going to track him accomplishing those things. None of those things got accomplished. So it was like, it was definitely, yeah, there was so much hope this year and so much, you know. And again, I think that bad girl summer is the result of things actually being good. Yeah. You know, I think you aren't, you don't have a bad girl summer unless the things are going pretty well in the world. You can't have bad girl summer in the middle of a pandemic. You can't have bad girl summer, you know, when you've got, your president is like screaming horrible shit every day on Twitter and making you everyone, you know, every woman, you know, afraid for their own personal, you know, rights over

their own body, you know what I mean? We're still going through that, so don't worry. Of course we are. I am now, I'm just like, well, I'm glad it's not 2008 anymore, but also I'm like, then you look at the lens of where we are right now. I'm like, I'm glad things are. Dude, 2008 is not a bad time to be in, for sure. Not a bad time.

I mean, I wouldn't want to go back because I'd have to work a job. job I hate. So like I'll never want to go back. But if that didn't exist and I could do everything else, it was a pretty fun year. All right. Well, thank you guys so much for joining us and going through the year, you get a whatever. And MJ, you get a whatever. And you know what the year 2008, you also get a whatever because I'm glad that I'm not wearing, you know, I was upset because I was looking at the fashion from 2008 and it was like, still wear that, still wear that. Oh, am I just trapped in another time, but I'm not going to let my brain go through a tailspin, tailspin right now. Oh my God. Is it Coachella looks? Is that what we're dealing with in 2008?

It's a lot of like colored tights. I still wear colored tights. I'm like all the things that like let's hope this never comes back and I'm like, oh, uh-oh, I still wear that. Well, I guess I should be looking at more of these listicles, but not right now because we got to go. Thank you guys so much for joining us. My name is Jackie Zabrowski. You can follow me on Instagram at Jack That Worm. You could follow me on TikTok over on page 7 LPN. I'm going to be putting out a lot of weird content from the weekend that we just went away on. And you can also come hang out with me on Tuesdays and Fridays with Holden and Sundays over at Twitch.tv.TV forward slash, oh no, it's Jackie. Check me out. Whatever on Twitch.tv.4 slash holdenators. Oh, man, I wish I had changed

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If you're listening to this the week this comes out, it is so much fun. Talk about taking a, I forget what year of that came out, but talk about taking a little, if you enjoyed this episode for all of its nostalgia and time-traveliness, definitely join us for that as well. Check us out on patreon.com. M.J. My name is M.J. and I'm M.J.K.L. Kat on Instagram. Sing to me. Shout. Shout. Shout. Let it all out. These are the emails that you wrote it about. Come on. We're going to read it to you. Come on. Oh, my God. Thank you guys so much for the amazing shoutouts.

I, especially after April Real's Day, I cannot thank you guys enough for just sharing your feelings and sharing your love. And I love you all. And if you've got love to share, if you've got lists to share, if you have a celebrity conspiracy to share, if you have a celebrity conspiracy to share, you can hit us up at page 7podcast at gmail.com. That is page 7podcast at gmail.com. Seven the number. And I just can't believe. It's so funny the different signs that talk about their signs.

I number one, I cannot believe that we are already in Torah season already. But I just absolutely love the beautiful signs. They're like, but the Torah, the Torah are coming. But also, how did I not realize that Taurus begins on foe? 20. Do you think that that means something? I will say that most of all of the Tori in my life. No. Yes, I'm stopping to think about it right now. I was about to say all the tourists in my life all love weed, but I guess it's not true. So I take it back and I refuse to delete this. But I will sally forward. Sally forward, Jackie, where is your brain? I guess my brain already belongs

to sweet Virgo Jewel. Jules says, Could you please, please, please, and a shout out to one of my very best friends. My sweet Taurus, Erin from her Virgo, Jules. Aaron and I have been friends for 10 years, and I have since moved to pursue my doctoral degree, but we still connect over page 7 all the time. Her laugh is the most healing sound there is,

and she is the most supportive and funny person I know. Our queer earth-sign support group is my life. Erin and her partner, Michelle, are getting married. Congratulations! On May 14th, the day after Aaron's birthday! Aaron is truly one of the brightest lights in this world, and we, collectively, do not deserve her. But if anyone does, it's Michelle. Their love is palpable and brings such a fun and calming presence to a room. Erin, I love you and Michelle so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so much, and I cannot wait to celebrate your birthday and your love.

Oh, my God, you guys! have the greatest time, and I hope that you, ugh, are as feel as loved as you obviously are, Aaron. Oh, I wish you all the best. Speaking of Tori and almost someday doctors, Alexis says I turned 30 on May 5th and wanted to give myself a self-shadow because I got dang, deserve it.

Hell, yes, you do. I got into medical school last July. Congratulations! Had to move from Brooklyn to a tiny town up state, find an apartment, get my license in a car, and adjust to the crazy, strenuous schedule of med school all in the span of a few weeks. Oh my God, you should hit up Jules. Around the same time. Oh, it's sad. I made it a bridge because especially about a pup. Oh my God, Alexis, I love you so much. My dog, Luca, who I got when I was 18 and who was with me through college, two big cities,

breakups, ups and downs, and who was my best friend and baby, all wrapped into one, was unexpectedly diagnosed with cancer. Three weeks later, he had to be put to sleep. And your relationship unraveled after that, but also, Alexis, can I just say, I'm so fucking proud of you for writing all of this, but especially this line. The person I saw myself marrying was seemingly unable to handle me at my proverbial worst and disappeared when I needed him most. My heart was in a million pieces already, but he turned it to dust. And baby, Alexis, we are here. to take that dust because when you press it together, oh, baby, it makes not a hard heart,

it makes a heart that is ready to heal. Does that make sense? It does not. But just that line was so beautiful, and I'm so sorry that this bastard did it to you. Alexis continues on saying, with the spring sunshine and meeting new people, I'm starting to feel like a shadow of my old self,

and smiling is a little easier. So for anyone going through it, keep going. You're stronger than you ever thought, and more people love you than you know. I unexpectedly feel more grateful than I ever have before, and for the first time in my life, I'm in awe of what I've accomplished instead of being hard on myself. Fuck yes! Happy 30th birthday, me!

If we could get through this, we can make it through anything. Thank you so much, Alexis. Your beautiful words and also the kind words in the email are greatly, greatly appreciate. And speaking of Torah season, one of our very own in the Twitch community has a birthday coming up. Ah, happy almost birthday, Nurka Serva! But also Nerker Zerva, I guess, has a real name, and it's Ashley. And they say, I've been a long-time listener and fairly recent Twitch user, Nerkasurva, what? And you all have helped me through so much in my life by just being your funny, honest selves.

You live in my brain whilst doing menial tasks or just trying to zone out for you. for a bit. I have been known to listen to an episode two, three times just to soak up all the joy and positivity. So just thank you. Thank you. Secondly, uh-oh, it's self-shout. You know, I love a self-shout. I need to do a self-shout for my 31st birthday on April 23rd. It's tourist season, y'all, and they come running in, like the Bulls. I have lived my whole life trying to escape the traumas of my past, foot on the gas pedal, barely taking time to look around and appreciate how far I've come. But today, That changes. I am a badass bitch. I have taken my life by the horns and driven myself into a

successful marriage with a sweet loving man, have a wonderful dog, a badass job where I get to drive a boat, and boss men twice my size are on yummy, yummy, where do you work? And spend a majority of my life in the great outdoors. And I am a fantastic artist who will one day turn those passions into profit. Fucker! This community has allowed me to see that it's okay to pump yourself up. And God, damn necessary in life. I love hanging with you all every Thursday and Friday as it is my wonderful escape into positivity and lovely chaos that does not need to be feared, but embraced. I love you all. And in the words of Kendrick Lamar, I love myself. Hell yeah, Ashley. Also, I also ask where you worked, but you're a fisheries biologist, which sounds cool as shit.

And P.S., Ashley says, as a fisheries biologist, I can scientifically say Tom Cruise definitely fucks fish and I believe it. We heard it from a professional. Ashley, have a great fucking birthday. Uh-oh. Another Torres and another amazing Torres also a part of our community. It's Hawk Girl. Hawk Girl also has a real name, I guess, and it's Steph. Steph says, I'm turning 36 on April 24th and would love some birthday love for my absolute faves. I've always been one of those obnoxious people who loves their birthdays, not. not obnoxious, it means that you just like yourself and I love it. The way I see it, I was a gift to the world and I should be celebrated at least for a day. The Rona postponed that for a couple years, but this year I'm back, baby.

I'm going to skeleton brunch with my besties, getting high as a kite and going to see the new Nick Cage movie. Oh my God, I can't wait. I'll end the night drinking and watching gloss, at least I think it's a gloss Sunday. I cannot think of a better way to celebrate another year around the sun. Thank you for keeping me hip and give me something to talk about at parties. Oh my God, also bringing up Tom Cruise and it's love of fish. I tell you, I have really skeaved out multiple Uber drivers with me talking about. Tom Cruise having sex with fish.

Did it in Florida, not that long ago. Love you all to bits and pieces, and we love you. All right back, Steph, aka Hawk Girl. Have the best birthday. I love you. I also love you, Sally. And Sally is giving a shout out to the birthday boy, Sean. May. His birthday is on April 27th and he's my favorite tourist baby. Sean is at a rough year,

but he's pulling through it miraculously and deserves a little love and recognition. He's the one who introduced me to LPN and I know he listens to page 7 when he needs a little joy in his life. Sean, we love you. Sally loves you. I'm so fucking sorry that you're going through a shit time right now, but it's your birthday. You're going to buck up and it's going to be fucking fantastic. I love you, Sean. And I love you too, Sally. Thank you so much for taking the time to write in. And also, oh God, Jesse, can I just say that I've also now fallen in love with Peanut? And may I post a picture of Peanut? May my heart take the stead of your departed grandfather? Is that too far? Jackie, you got to ease off for giving a shout-out from Jesse to Peanut.

Peanut! Jesse says, my grandfather recently passed away, so of course, I want to send a shout-out to my dog, Peanut. She was his best friend and truly a gift from the United States. She meant so much to him that she's in his obituary picture with him. It's been a hard time, but having that bug-eyed angel with us has been a godsend for the family. Hug your loved ones extra tight, and don't look a gift dog in the mouth. I love you, Jesse, and I love the energy that you're going into this with. Thank you so much for sharing. I just want everyone to know.

Jesse sent me a picture of peanut dressed as Paddington Bear, and I love it. And I love you, too, Jesse, and I'm so sorry. about the passing your grandfather. And thank you for taking it the way that you are taking it. Much love to you. And hell yeah, Andrea, you know why love a self-chowout. You keep being you. You fucking got this.

Andrea says, I'm in grad school and boy, is it hard work. Balancing schoolwork with a full-time job, time with my partner, time with family and friends, and time for myself has been really tough. I should hopefully be finished by the end of this year. Hell yeah, congratulations. Page seven helps me every week take my mind off the stress of feeling stretched thin. So thank you for the yucks. And like Kid Rock says, this is from me. Okay, roll, I roll, roll, roll, what? You got this, Andrea. I get it, man. It is just so hard

to have to maintain all of it, all the time, and you got this. We all got it. And we're also there for each other. And thank you so much for reaching out. And last but not least, B, I just want to say thank you so much for sharing your story about working tirelessly on your own mental health and sanity so that you can be the best mom you can be. I sent the email right to MJ to make sure that they read it, and I just want you to know that you inspire the fuck out of me. I want to read the end of your email and just thank you so much for reaching out. They said, I guess that's myself shout out.

I beat it as much as you ever can. But most importantly, it did not beat me, talking about mental health issues. I'm still here. It tried to kill me, but couldn't. And I am able to be the parent slash partner my family deserves, the me that I deserve. I went from not being able to get out of bed most days to climbing mountains. Yes. So thank you, MJ, for always being honest about how impossibly hard it can all be.

And to all the LPN crew for being so honest with your mental health struggles, it really does help give it a voice and a name and make the bad brain days a little less scary. Thanks for being a huge bright spot on my road to recovery. We love you so much, B, and thank you so much for sharing truly. I can't thank you enough. And MJ was just cried through the entire thing. And thank you so much, B, and thank you to absolutely everybody for sending in anything. I just, I read everything.

I absolutely love you all so fucking much. And especially when you're just popping in Rex. And I, um, that's it. That's all I want to say. Didn't stop talking, Jackie. I guess I will. Send in your shoutouts to page 7 podcast at gmail.com. Have a great fucking week.

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