Page 7 - REEEEEEWIIIIIND 2009

Episode Date: August 25, 2022

This week we're REEEEEEWIIIIINDIN' back to 2009: recession, depression, an inauguration, Kanye interrupting Taylor Swift, Party in the U.S.A drops, Michael Jackson's death, Jay-Z's Empire State of Mind, Farmville, JERSEY SHORE, Precious, Flashmobs, and MORE! Want even more Page 7? Support us on Patreon! Patreon.com/Page7Podcast Subscribe to SiriusXM Podcasts+ to listen to new episodes of Page 7 ad-free.Start a free trial now on Apple Podcasts or by visiting siriusxm.com/podcastsplus. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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Poker face. Dance dance, dance, it's a lost year. Welcome to Pop Culture Rewind, 2009. I admittedly don't remember a lot of my life experience from this year, but I do remember a lot of pop culture things that happen in this our year of 2009. Welcome to a rewind. That's right, because this time, baby, I'll be. Bulletproof

2009. I felt a little bulletproof in certain ways. And in hindsight, I was depressed. Yes, yes, yes, yes. I've talked about this time of my life. This is, I think, because it was the recession and all this stuff. We were just kind of trying to remember where we were at in our lives. Definitely living in Brooklyn with one Ben Kissel and I believe roommate Mike at that point. It was pre the tub being shat in by one of those two people. It was pre-lexi. I think I was in the final year of my relationship with my previous

girlfriend, which had been the longest relationship I'd ever been in. And then also, I lost my temp job, my long-term temp job I was working, and all of a sudden became very hard to find work for the first time ever since I had landed in New York. And so I was just like, sleeping all this. day and just sweating in my rooms, chain smoking cigarettes, reading Bone, the comic book, or whatever comic books. Bone was a good one. Wasn't that around the time period that you had the broken wheelchair in your bedroom

that we would sit in and smoke out the window with? And smoke out the window. I remember, yeah, just kind of every day waking up and being like, I'll write the screenplay tomorrow. I'll start tomorrow. It's going to happen. It was a very ambitious writing a screenplay. We were all just about to do it.

We were just going to write that screenplay. It's all we had to do. I don't think I'd ever understood this loop before, but the loop of like waking up being like, I'm going to get everything started tomorrow, but today I've got just enough weed and just enough video game and comic book to like get me through and fuck it, right?

Who cares? We're fine enough. We've got rent paid. We're okay. And then I would just, and then I'd wake up the next day and start, oh my God. and I mean, I know people don't want to hear about this anymore

because they've heard about enough, but my God, would I just paint the walls white? I mean, I was just sitting, especially when I was trying to, like, write a packet or something, I would just sit and be like, try to write a packet for like a fallon. Everyone was writing packets at this time, too. Oh, yeah. That's a flashback.

Oh, I'm so upset because I wrote a packet. I haven't written the packet. I submitted the packet. Haven't heard back about that. Haven't heard back from the packet. You never hear back from the packet. And you never get the job. You're never going to hear back about that time.

We were all in our early to mid-20s. Yeah, Holden, what year? How old were you in this time period? Actually, I think I'm late. I think I'm 27. You're 27. And Jay, how old were you? I was 23 in 2009.

I'm 22. So this is, again, dark times. And that's the things that, Holden, you were 27, but comedian 27 may as well be 18 years old. is 23. It's a young 27. I was probably more immature this year than I was at 23. Because at 23, I had like a 9 to 5, a permanent job. Like, I was like had a routine. I kind of had everything dialed in and tried to take life seriously. This was a point where I like fell off the grid of life. Like I felt crazy, you know, but I was just like, but I'm not suffering any consequences. So I guess I'll just keep staying up till five in the morning.

Yeah. And sleeping until the middle of the afternoon and like getting up and just having just enough money for like a breakfast sandwich and a couple of bud lights. You know what I mean? I just don't. Yeah. It was just so out of whack. That we lived next door to that bar that was in the rehearsal on HBO Max. Yes. That we thank God, there was a bar right next door that for $6 you could get a draft bud light and get a pizza at the same time. I live. I literally lived on alligator bar. And there was one in Manhattan called Crocodile, the one in Brooklyn was alligator. And that was all, this was my year.

Thank you for bringing that up, Jackie. This was the year was that I only ate pizza. Yeah, it's definitely a pizza year. This is a big pizza year. I had a rule where I could not spend, I worked in Manhattan and I would get done at 630, and I would just stay out and go straight to doing like open mics. And I had a rule where I could not spend more than five bucks on, meal because I was so broke.

And so what I would tell myself is that included falafel. And sometimes it did. But it was the year I ate so much pizza in 2009 that even though I live in New York City, home of the best pizza in the United States, I still don't get that excited

when someone says, let's order a pizza because I ate pizza probably for 365 days in a row in the year 2009. Dude, you should have done my bodega hack because for $1.25, they would put American cheese on a roll with mayo for me, and I lived off of pizza and cheese sandwiches

from the bodega for $1.25. An egg and cheese was a real luxury. A cheese sandwich from the bodega was a real luxury in 2009. And at the end of all of this, I was so shocked that my girlfriend had wanted to move on to a much older novelist who had an apartment in the West. I was established, who had a place. a way that, I mean, I was awful.

Like, I was just like, again, up till five in the morning. Like, yeah. I remember, too, being like, I'd be like, oh, I got to go all the way over to her place. It was like 10 minute walk to get to her place. Jackie, were you living in Williamsburg as well? Was this an L-Train year for all of us? Well, I always lived off the L-Train because I, you know, I may just, I can't be that far

away from, I couldn't have an inconvenient life. Lord knows. Yeah. So, no, I was living in Ridgewood at this time. This is when I had, it was before one of my many breakups with my long-term X, and we were also going through a horrendous time period. And I remember we were living, this is the time period of Pips, the cat, Pips the cat, who was a one-eyed cat that my drugged out landlord forced us to take because she was feeding it outside. and then she found it one day with this eyeball hanging out of its face. So she got it fixed and she's like, you have to take it.

Meanwhile, we're always hearing her getting, I'm not going to go into what happened with her. What I'm going to say is that she encouraged us to take this cat who was the most evil cat I have ever encountered. I still have scars on my stomach from when the cat would just brutally attack me. And I lived in fear. And so in my brain, I was like, I have to stay at Holdens until 6 o'clock in the morning getting drunk because I don't want to deal with the cat. And I didn't want to deal with my relationship. That's what we're running from everything. We're all running from everything.

Running. Running from it. And I love the pop culture and we'll get into in just a second. But it really seems like pop culture mirrors what was going on our own lives. There's this big transition year. This was a huge ending. Hope and despair. Hope and despair.

Hope and despair. Well, especially, yeah, Obama inauguration. Yes. Yeah, Obama's inauguration and the economy had just fallen out from underneath us. And we were saying before we started recording, like, oh, well, what did the economic crash mean to a bunch of people in their 20s who didn't have any money and no money in the stock market? Well, like, a lot of my friends had jobs that were financed by rich people who lost their money because of Bernie made off or whatever. So that's the thing. A lot of temp agencies.

Oh, yeah. Everyone worked at a temp agency in this time in New York if you were a creative person. And a lot of those companies just laid everybody off. And I was a nanny, and the husband of the family that I nanny for lost his job in the research, which is why I ended up losing my job because of it. But at this time period, and MJ and I were talking about this, we were both nannies at this time period. I was a mess. I was, and like, I was a nanny.

starting from the age of 17 until I was about 23, 24. And this year probably was the worst year for me to be a nanny because I just reeked of cigarette smoke. I was always hung over. I don't know how anyone, now that I am 35 years old, how did anyone, I would rather leave my kid with a 14 year old. Jackie, you're so just tapping into the, you're so just speaking towards the desperation of parents.

It's so funny how like, you start off with really good intentions and you're like, I'm going to be so on top of this and like no one's going to be near my baby that, you know, and then you get a few months and you're anyone, I would give it this baby to anybody, a convicted felon right now if I could just get a couple hours of sleep. I don't care anymore. Yeah, that's absolutely what that is. And, you know, nannying is, from what I've heard in New York, it can just be so fucking hit or miss and such a roller coaster ride. I mean, I've had, you know, because Lexxie, also has done her fair share of nannying, and I've heard the most horrific horror stories,

but also if you get a good situation going, I mean, you're kind of set, you know, but it just takes like that lucky. Yeah. I was in, I feel like I was in an overall, my nanny situation worked out great for me because it was close to unions. It was also off the L train. My entire life was off the L train. I would go into Manhattan and it was a part-time job.

I would pick the kid up after school. we would like do Manhattan stuff and then I would leave at 6.30 and then I would go get my $3 beer at drop off services happy hour in the East Village and then I would get my dollar pizza from two bros or I'd go to Crocodile on 14th Street to get the free beer

and the free pizza that came with the beer and then I would go to shows and I was also avoiding a negative relationship at home so I would just stay out as long as I could and then wake up and do it all again the next day and it was just I think about this a lot especially in the summertime, because like sometimes as an adult,

like now a more mature adult in the summer, I have this like kind of like vague nostalgia for the summers of my 20s, but I can't quite pin down what it is. I know a lot of it was that there was, I was always going to parties and like doing cool stuff. We were drunk by sundown, I think, is really what it was. Yeah.

We were just drunk. But there, yeah, there was just something like, summer of 2009, I just remember being like my mindset. Granted, I was, it was all overshadowed by like a huge cloud of depression. But there was this kind of immediate satisfaction of being like, if I just make it to the end of work and I get to like get a tall boy

or get like a happy hour of beer, then that, there was just so much joy and satisfaction that came with that, again, not going to say that it was all good because it was actually mostly bad. I was extremely depressed and lonely, but there was just simplicity to it. Exactly.

But what was actually good? That's what I was speaking towards earlier where I was like, I would wake up I'd be like, my life's crumbling underneath my feet. And then I'd be like, no, we've got a couple of nugs. Right. We've got a couple of nugs.

You know, I don't have any, anybody coming after me or anything like that. Oh, I always had people coming up. Depending on the part of the year. And I'm just like, I can just exist. And life is really simple. And I was kind of embracing that. And then after the whole thing, I was like, oh, wait, I was like really depressed. So depressed.

And like, really not taking care of myself. but it was definitely the year where I realized, like, I need order in my life. Sadly, if I'm not going to, like, do what I love for a living, I have to have something because I will, it's so bizarre, like, just a structure. I had all the time of the world to write and do all these things, but I don't do any of it until I have a nine to five because there's something about that structure being in place and a reminder that this is not how I want to live that got me more motivated, whereas if I had no obligations whatsoever.

I mean, I would just wake up every day and throw the day directly into the garbage can. And it was so weird how that... But yeah, so it was like a huge, like, growth year for me. And I think, again, in pop culture, as we see some moments, some actions are put into place that we are still feeling

the effects of to this very day. Starting, I think, you're right, with Obama sworn in as a president in January of 2009. I also want to say, talk about lost year. 2009 Grammys. I also, I don't know anything about this Robert Plant and Alison Krause album that won album of the year. Yeah.

Record of the year. And then it's also Coldplay. So it's Robert Plant and Alison Krauss and Coldplay were like the huge winners of 2009. I'm just like, where was I? Which is bizarre because also it was a great year for like Rihanna, Lady Gaga, Kanye. Yeah, all the single ladies comes out this year. Weird year for Kanye though as well. It's the first kind of like downturn for Kanye.

But Jackie, you know what it was because we're burying the lead here. Next year is when page seven starts, correct? Yes. Oh yeah. That's when you are forced to start paying attention to what's going on in pop culture. in 2009, it was the opposite. Yes, you're completely correct. You were like ignoring pop culture wholeheartedly.

That's why all this stuff is like, how did I not connect with this? That, again, the largest element of this being a transition year. But of course, the other lead I'm bearing, you mentioned Kanye West. I mean, come on. This is the year. Kanye West interrupts Taylor Swift during her VMA video of the year accepted speech. I mean, we still quote it to this day. It is still, albums have been written about it, songs.

It is just this giant pop culture touchstone. And it really is, to my knowledge, the first time Kanye shows his ass, he was untouchable up until this moment. If this didn't happen, I don't know what Kanye would be like today. I just want to remind everybody, too, of exactly what happens with this. So this is, if you don't remember, Taylor Swift is, on stage giving her acceptance speech for the best female video for you belong with me. Which is a great song, by the way. Yes, great song.

Connie West. Some would say a perfect pop song. Connie West shows up on stage. Takes the microphone from her and says, Yo, Taylor, I'm really happy for you. I'm going to let you finish. But Beyonce had one of the best videos of all time, one of the best videos of all time, referring to Beyonce's music video for all the single ladies.

Which, again, a huge pop culture. fucking men, by the way. And this is kind of one of those moments where it's like, Kanye kind of has a point. He does have a point. He did it. Like, it, I think it is a fair point that Kanye is making to hold him. You can cancel. And shouldn't do it like this.

Should definitely not do it. What it is for me is to think this is at all a thing, like the VMAs matter is what's silly to me, right? Like, at the end of the day, no awards really matter. But the VMAs of all things to take seriously to the point where you're going to run up on stage and yell that in the person who one's face is, that's what's crazy. But I want to remind everybody that later on in the show, Beyonce wins for video of the year for single ladies. And then she invites Taylor Swift back on the stage to finish her speech that Kanye had

interrupted. And I feel like this is a part of this that I completely forgot about that everyone should remember that like Beyonce was very publicly being like, I'm so sorry. Yeah, yeah, Beyonce was humiliating. So humiliating for Beyonce and, like, all the single ladies is an iconic, I mean, the dance alone. You see someone doing that dance, you know exactly what it's from. That is an iconic video. But good for Beyonce.

My God, good for you. I mean, she doesn't need to fucking do that. She's Beyonce. Yeah, it was like these two, it was the one two punch. Kanye's mother passes away at the end of 2007. This happens at the, near the end of 2009. And this is the two major touch. that created like the Kanye we've been, I'm going to say suffering for the past, like, several

years. Just posted, by the way, Pete Davidson's dead and the dates, the years from his birth, too. Well, Skeet Davidson is dead. Sorry, Skeet, because, you know, because Kim and him broke up. But, like, I mean, it's still, he's still this monster. But my beautiful dark twisted fantasy came out in 2010. And that's Dude, fucking so good. Which is so interesting that like his personal decline began before, but his, you know, his, I mean, I guess arguably his music has always still been good even. Nowadays, it's like, oh my God, here we go again. It's this like constant, just barrage of crazy Kanye shit.

Right. This was like the one thing. And I think it immediately got memed and it immediately became, you know, even today, if you say I'm a let you finish, everyone knows what that is, you know? like that is all that is just now become synonymous with this moment you know and it was nuts i mean it was so especially because like just the whole situation like he's got this like sunglasses like leather shirt she's this like wayfish purist snow like she just looks all like she's kind hunched over a little bit she's meek is a word i would almost use to describe like kind of except it's just so the whole thing is so it's such an iconic image and there's so many deeper things

going on there even putting Kanye and his like Kanye as a person and again I think there's been a lot of times where Kanye has been right about things handled them extremely poorly and then it has kind of fueled this like Kanye's just insane type of thing but like even taking Kanye out of it there's so I mean I'm sure that a million dissertations have probably already been written about this but like what Taylor Swift represented. as like, you know, like a white woman pop icon and what Beyonce represented as a black woman pop icon and what that, what her music,

what Taylor's music video was, which was like this like love story and what single ladies was. I'm a nerd, yeah, I'm like this nerd girl and put upon and all this kind of stuff. I mean, I just remember. Is this female empowerment song? And it was just thrilling. Like seeing, I had never seen anything like all, like that,

you know, like all the single ladies, like the music video, I had, that era of Beyonce, I am Sasha Fierce era, like, oh, yeah, yeah, it was just this thrilling, that was the first time I got, 2009 was the year that I realized I loved pop music. This is why we started page seven. I mean, remember when we first met and I remember talking about these things? And one of the weird things that I do remember about this year of just like, man, it's like, we're starting to, like, pay attention a little bit more to Beyonce and, like, things like, that are starting to trickle into our drunk brains.

And we're like, we should like talk about this. Yeah, there was interesting. Like, it was a really interesting time to like watch Lady Gaga. I didn't at the time understand that Taylor Swift also was very interesting. I thought that she was more of a. Borough snorro. I mean, I had no interest whatsoever. You know, and even I will, I will concede on.

If I were to give an award to the videos of that year, I do think single ladies was probably better, right? I would probably give that the award, right? At the same time, I just think it's so absurd. The absurdity of like caring about it. I mean, it's absurd to care that much about an Oscar, in my opinion. So to get up there about a fucking MTV popcorn trophy, you know what I mean? It's, or I guess it wasn't popcorn because it wasn't the movie awards.

But I, I associate MTV with fucking best kiss. Right. And hack like corn. it's like the Nickelodeon's Kids Choice Award. I like put those in the same category. And that's what it should have been, because that's like what really should have come from the 2009 VMAs was Lady Gaga's

iconic performance where she covers herself in blood and she's singing paparazzi and it's an amazing performance. And that is what we should have been talking about from this VMAs. Not what happened with Kanye and Taylor. Swift. Yeah, there was so many good things happening in pop music at this time. Lady Gaga really brought us, I think, like, brought in the, again, talk about transition years.

I think this is a year where she really brought in the pop art era, which like made pop so much more interesting to me. Definitely. And I think that there were so many great, you know, Rihanna, since then, like Rihanna, Frank Ocean, I mean, there's just been so many, like, just doing pop, but like making it feel more. artful, making it feel more elevated than where we were at in the 80s and 90s, right? And the Godforsaken, I'm going to say, boy band like factory pop era. It was kind of like we were coming out of this factory made pop era that was made a lot of money for a lot of people and great memories with Backstreet Boys and stuff for the kids.

But it was like pop grew up in the late 2000s and in the 2010s. And it was so much fun to watch that. happen. Because another transition in pop that happens this year is the Hannah Montana movie comes out the same year that Miley Cyrus drops party in the USA. And that is such a, what talk about a huge transition for Miley Cyrus. That's really getting out of the Hannah Montana world, even though like the movie is still coming out. But then party in the USA, that's another one that seeped into my drunk braid where I was like, this is a great song. Oh, what a good song. Yeah. It was just, I, I, it took me a while yet to come to accept it.

But I definitely felt like I was feeling, I was feeling Lady Gaga a little bit and didn't want to admit it. And I was definitely feeling like, obviously I was feeling Kanye for sure at this point. And I feel like especially for millennials who like, you know, for people who were like our age

and we went to college in the mid 2000s, like I think we talked about this on one of our earlier rewinds where I was like, I don't even really know what was going on with pop music in like 2003, 2004, 2005. But like the thing in that time,

it was like that was like, that was this like thrilling time to like alternative music and to like emo and to like just the you see my face hope it gives you hell it gives you hell which also came out in 2009 by the way I think for me I was discovering you know all the Wilcoe Mitchell Milko television television television yes exactly right eyes the decemberists yes yes yes yes we were hipsters in williams yes yes yes and so to transition I mean in those early 2000s yeah yeah to transition from being like if it's pop, it must be stupid. I only like this, this, you know,

more alternative stuff, which was also extremely popular. Like, I only like spoon. Heard of it. Like, yeah, I've heard of it. But like, transitioning from that to being like, oh my God, I want to listen to the music that is playing in the grocery store because the music

that's like the pop music that's playing. And there's a great time to be in New York because I feel like a great thing about New York is that you kind of like, maybe this happens everywhere because of, car being in cars but like I feel like you can't not absorb pop music and pop culture in New York because so much of life here is public so it's like this was also the year Michael Jackson died and like that summer I was about bringing down the street you could not live in New York without hearing

Michael Jackson all summer I was in Williamsburg and I remember the moment I think I was at a brunch of course and the moment that fucking shit went down I mean every car every car every car. Every venue. It's one of those moments were like, that's why living in a big city like New York is cool

because when a cultural moment like that happens like when Obama was elected as another grand table. Walked and we stopped the cars and cheered through the streets. It was so cool to be you know out on the streets that day

and it wasn't like it was a lot sad I mean which of course obviously we have to acknowledge all the shit that happened after so it's like but this was the boy. four times when we were gleefully ignorant

Michael Jackson and there was more of a his pedophilia was more like a late night show punchline at the point at that point. Right. Right. There was no like there was less of a extremely specific and got great reason

not to take joy and listening to Michael Jackson all summer. We listened to Michael Jackson all summer. Bubbles his monkey, you know, out in the wild as opposed to like how he's probably a horrible person. But yeah, I mean, so it was.

like this big communal moment, you know, that we all shared. And that, that's rare that it affects like a whole, that's how huge of a deal he. And I know it's silly to say Michael Jackson was a big deal, but in two, that's just how huge a deal. The whole city stopped. Yeah. Yeah. Right. The whole city stopped. Yeah. And everybody blasted Michael Jackson songs. And we like lived in it together. We were all like acknowledged. It was the whole summer. Like it was a summer of Michael Jackson playing everywhere. It was the summer of Michael Jackson, but you bringing back, Holden,

the fact that Empire State of Mind also came out in 2009, it was Michael Jackson, or it was motherfucking Empire State of Mind. I have never, I think to this day, I have never heard a song more than living in New York City when Empire

State of Mind came out. It played everywhere. It was in every cab you went into, it was in every story you went into. I heard it. at least 10 times a day, and I'm not being hyperbolic. It was everywhere. And I loved it. But then you go through the waves of like, then there are times where I'm like, if I hear it one more time, I'm going to snap.

And then you go three days and then you hear it and you're like, man, I love this city. And you're just like, I've cried to that song before. Yeah. It's really that good. It is. Especially if you're an ambitious, if you're like, for me, I was like a young ambitious person who had just moved to this place. I was like lonely. I was struggling.

I had all these big dreams. And then you have this song that says concrete jungle where dreams are made of and you're just like, it's me. It's about me. This is around the time when I love seeing sometimes the quotes from Roundtable of Gentleman when Holden's just like, I'm giving up. I want to give up. I just saw one recently, Holden, of you screaming about how you don't, you're done being a community. I just want to be paid $5 to do comedy. Yeah, I definitely.

this was definitely like a desperation moment. A little before, it was like a little before, I mean, people, you know, I think maybe last podcast was just starting to become a hit thing. And that, that became really challenging to kind of live up against seeing other very close friends. People I'm like very closely working with really excelling, you know, and feeling, I just remember, man, I, for example, like, my ex got me in with a guy at the Daily Show who I got to submit a writer's packet through. Packets.

Always packets. And I just remember being so, I really thought my life was going to change because of this packet. You know what I mean? And like, even my ex was like, I have a really good feeling about this. I just think you're going to get this, you know? Just having a direct line and everything. I was like, my whole life's going to change.

It's going to be exactly what I'm supposed to be. And then just being so devastated when I didn't get that, which is a precursor to. And then years later, I didn't get a bad BuzzFeed job. And I was just like, I'm just fucked. I just never going to succeed. It's never going to work. And then I was like, oh, I just can't, like, interview or, like, get a job from any corporate authority.

It's just not going to happen. But enough about me. Farmville. Ooh. And also, I saw a picture of this was the summer. I remember I had a Blackberry, and everyone I knew had a Blackberry. And, man, were those keys so small.

I don't know how we typed on them. Uh-huh, yeah. I didn't have a smartphone until 2011. Whoa. Yeah, and so, right, it is really interesting to go back and think about all these moments where definitely like the iPhone was the thing and people had it, but it wasn't so ubiquitous. Like in 2000, even up to 2010, but definitely in 2009, I would check my email like once a day. What I would get home at like 11 p.m. Oh, yeah.

Or whatever later and then check my email. Like that was when and other than that, you could get in touch with me because you could text and you could call. But it was just, you know, I had an iPod. and like that was how I listened to music. It was obviously pre-Spotify. It was pretty, you know, and it's just a different, it's like, it's so strange because on the one hand, when we talk about what years we want to do rewinds,

like anything post-2000 doesn't feel like that long ago. I'm like, oh, yeah, like, you know, 2009, we were adults. We were all here. Like, how different could it have been? Oh, it was so different. But actually, it was incredibly different, not just because we were young, but because, like, life was different when you weren't expected

to be, you know, there was no, how, what did I do before Twitter? I went to the New York Public Library. I'd go into the city, I'd hit the library real quick to check my email, send out some like, you know, OKCupid things, and then I would leave the library. Like, I would have to stop at the library to say, yeah, me too. I also do. I walk up the hills, both ways, no shoes. It's true.

That's why like to come back around to Farmville, it is kind of a transition like Candy Crush, all those kinds of games. like moms playing games on the internet became a thing starting with FarmVille. Like this weird, also like the internet creating a thing that all ages, like, it kind reminds me like Pokemon Go a little bit in that summer when like everybody was just like playing the same game at the same time. And it was like a social game. That really started with Farmville.

And it really took over in an absurd way. I mean, it said an under a year it had over 83 months. million monthly users. This was like the first time I was seeing my old high school friend, like working with my, you know, second cousin on a farm, you know what I mean? Yeah. It was just so bizarre. And I was looking at it as a person who, I think at this point, I still wasn't maybe like getting, no, I was playing video games, but I didn't have like my own console or anything at this point or I wasn't like back into games, like in this dedicated way that I would in the next couple years. Just looking at it being like,

What is happening? Did you guys have a Farmville farm? Did you guys get into it all or know anybody? I never did Farmville, but I do, I mean, I miss what you just described. And I know we've talked about this on previous rewinds too, like that it's obviously like many good things have come from having so many different media sources and so many different shows. And there's obviously so much more representation and like I'm so much more like news literate now and whatever. But like, I miss the collective experiences of, and 2009, 2010 was a real year for that because it was kind of, it was, it wasn't like the late 90s where there was, where it really felt like, oh my God, there's nothing out here except the pop, except whatever is on TV or the radio, which is how it felt for us growing up. But in like 2009, 2010, it felt like really fun that everyone was playing candy.

crush, you know, like, and everyone was kind of sharing one thing, whereas now we kind of have that, like, yeah, everyone I know is watching F Boy Island, but it's not the same thing where it's like, you know, a music video comes out, like all the single ladies or an album comes out, and then everyone is just doing that because now there's just so many things. There's less, it's more stratified and there's less of like a unified media experience. But people had no social code. I mean, Remember just getting in and dated with like shitty Farmville messages asking you to like help people with their farms? And we all were like, hey, this isn't cool. Never do this again.

Like, you know what I mean? In this way that we were learning a lot of like social media lessons at this point, I think. You know, and I think we're also starting to learn what the beast that is the internet is all about, you know, especially through cultural moments like the content. T-Swift. Well, yeah. When Facebook, I'm going to look this up when Facebook became, because remember Facebook started in 2005 and it was only for people with a dot edu. Right, right, right.

Email. I was, I was a member of Facebook like when it was just colleges. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I still was when I was in college. Me too. Also, a lot of technology transition year. This is a huge one that I was not aware that happened in 2009 is the fact that that is

when Apple invited GPS. companies to use navigation systems on the phones. And that is such a huge change in our culture of being able to have a navigation system. 2009 is when it started. Isn't that insane? Yeah, because up until then it was MapQuest and you would still have to go print out or write down. Yes, I remember living in New York and having to look up things before I left the house. Yep.

Wow. I'd write it down on my hand. People are talking that so much lately about how, like, like, we can't believe now that we used to do that. Like, that we used, and, and I mean, especially now, like, I plug my phone into my car, and the screen on the car guides me, you know? I mean, it's just, like, it's just on such a crazy other level. It made so much sense of why, like, my mom value when, like, when we were kids,

she'd have the map out, and then she'd like, put the map away. We'll figure it out. And we would be lost for hours. Like, we would, and my mom's like, but that's part of the adventure. And I think that's why I'm so anally on time for everything now, because like the sense of being lost adventure, which I think is just a fun mom way of being like, I literally can't look at the map and drive at the same time. So what's going to happen is going to happen. And we went with it. Yeah.

What a, I mean, to think that, you know, within our adult lives, the transition from needs. a map, you know, to never needing a map again. And what that, again, what that meant for your life, you know, I would memorize, I had the entire, an entire mental map of my hometown completely internalized, you know, and, whereas I don't know if kids learning to drive now, I mean, have that because, I mean, I, you know, now I can make the same drive 10 times and even though the GPS tells me how to do it, I still remember how to do it and I could do it without the GPS, but it is just a totally different way.

I think, you know, just to think that in 2009, it wasn't, you weren't expected to constantly be able to respond to an email. You weren't expected to know where to go if you didn't have access to a map quest. Yeah.

You know, you weren't listening to new music unless you had bought the album. Like, it was just a fundamentally different, I guess Twitter did exist in 2009, but it was obviously not what it is now. I think that was the year I joined Twitter,

actually, 2009. So, because this is the thing, like, we talked about the iPhone. It was introduced mid-2007, but that, it still would take some time before people would adopt, like, largely adopted, right? So that was 2009. It was like standard to have one, started to become, right? Also, in 2007, Netflix introduced streaming media and video on demand. But if you think about that, then it still took another year or two before everyone just, like,

had it, you know? and it had an actual good library. Like, I think in the beginning, I mean, you could kind of watch through what they offered pretty, you know, like you could kind of get through the whole library. That was why I watched Dear Zachary because it was just one of the things on Netflix.

Yeah, it was one of the things on there. And like, not everybody necessarily had adopted it. So yeah, again, this is all, that's all kind of hitting really hard. And to go back to you talking about, like, the transition out of like this monoculture, and this is like the kind of last time. And especially for three of us that were definitely hipsters that we were, again,

listening to Wilco and just being like, oh, the pop music and still on that verge of like, do we want to listen to what everybody listens to or do we want to listen to like the alternative? This is the year that Avatar comes out. Talk about, I think, such a, like, we look at 2009 with Avatar and at that winning best picture. I know that happens in 2010. But it coming out and the wildfire that was Avatar, but this was still in the time period that I remember all of us were like, who gives a shit?

What are you talking about? Well, not wanting to watch the popular kid movies. Not wanting to watch the popular kid movies. And now there's just so much content that you, sure, you can be like, I'm above watching F Boy Island, sure, but you can watch 100 million other things. This is also the same year that like Desperate Housewives is one of the number one shows. And I remember specifically being like, only trash people watch that. This is the Jersey Shore comes out.

Only moms watch that. Yes. I'm ashamed at that Jersey Shore, that my understanding of Jersey Shore was just like my relationship to pop music was, which was just like, that's for idiots. Like, why would I watch something that's popular? Like, you know, for, for, Jersey Shore was kind of the epitome of that. And this was, in 2009, I feel like we were all having a lot of kind of panicked conversations about reality TV.

because also I think Real Housewives had started by then, maybe. And so it was like, it's all, it's just all reality now. What does this even mean for television? Which is kind of quaint to think about that with Jersey Shore. Real quick comment about Avatar before we get it to Jersey Shore is just that also Avatar was synonymous with the 3D revolution in cinema where they wanted to make everything 3D. We're going to get 3D televisions as well.

Not too long from now. it just became, everything became geared towards 3D is the next thing. And that's obviously really slid away to the wayside. But Avatar was the beacon of that. They were like, this is going to blow your mind. This is going to be 3D you've never seen before. It's what got everybody to go to the theater. Moving over to Jersey Shore, though,

Jersey Shore was, I think, the panic conversation you're talking about was because Jersey Shore finally just embraced the trash. The trash, man. Up until then, everyone tried to pretend like there was some level of integrity when it came to reality shows. I mean, totally. The real world,

especially starting out, it was like, we're going to just get real, but we're going to, like, try to show a story about a woman helping the homeless community. We're going to show a story

about a guy battling with HIV. We're going to, you know what I mean? We're going to, and then puck. And then puck. Oh, do you just want to watch puck?

Oh, you just want like seven pucks in a house? Okay, fuck it. All right, I'll give you, fine. Well, throw that meat to you animals.

You could go. It makes sense. You're talking about a year that the number two movie after Avatar was Transformers Revenge of the Fallen. This is who they're playing to. I mean, because if that's the number two movie, yeah, make a jersey sure. This is obviously what everybody wants. Right. Yeah.

Right. And there was, of course, we were like well into, you know, kind of like HBO prestige TV as well. I remember seeing Nurse Jackie posters. Is that what it was called? Yeah. There's Jackie posters everywhere. And like Dexter was the year before this. And so like there was like really good prestige TV.

But we had not yet made, certainly had made this switch to streaming. Like it was still a thing where like the house I lived in in 2009, we had like the little cable. It was like it was this was also a technology transition where it used to be that you like had like. like regular cable and then there was this switch I think in 2008 or 2009 where you had to like get an additional thing

to have the basic cable channels and then it just became a thing where I was like oh well just watch Netflix on your computer and it was this like slow transition away from having an actual TV and like actual cable you know and like

and I feel like that was also just a huge like technology pop culture meeting where like in 2000 and nine, I would still go home and, like, turn on my, like, not flat screen, like, cube, small television that had a, that still had, like, a VCR. VCR in it. Oh, yeah. You know, and would, like, watch, like, law and order on cable. I was not watching any TV at this point. And that makes sense, because I was pretty alienated

by what was popular. Glee came out this year. Yeah. I actually kind of want to go back and watch it now with, like, a fresh palate. Me too, actually. Hold on. Let's re-watch Glee. Should we? Should we? I never watched any of it. Oh my God, I was obsessed with, now we're just getting into TV shows. I was obsessed with Eastbound and Down at this point. I was definitely into that. That was already, so that's so interesting to me.

So there already was just like really, really good comedy on HBO, like, well-made prestige comedy on HBO at this time. Yes, for sure. Prestige comedy is kind of a thing this year. You've got the league, you've got, you've got modern family. I think is like the biggest example of like kind of this is the, a new sitcom. This is going to be, it's like, it's elevated. It's like on another level. Right. Also, community parks and rec. It was like a really good year for like what TV.

It was, again, we aren't all just streaming now. That was just like what was on NBC. But it was like really good. It was like the best stuff that had ever been on like Thursday night NBC. And then fucking, and then MTV's over there just like, nope, we're just going to be filthy trash. Jersey Shore, 16 and pregnant. Yeah. Love it. all that shit. It was just like, we're just going to embrace. The heyday of Mad Men and Breaking Bad. This is, you know, one or two years deep into both of them. And it's when they're just spreading like wildfire.

So at the same time, this is a huge boom for television in every respect. So it's a huge boom for pop. It's a huge boom for television. And yet still, there are still two CISs on the top. 10 shows of 2009 because all of our parents were watching it. Right. And what I was describing before, it might not even make sense when I was talking about the cable thing.

But do you remember, like, you had to pay for, like, to have, like, all the channels, right? But it used to be that you just got some free channels. Yes. Like, with every TV. Yes. And then that stopped. I'm pretty sure I'm watching a lot of stuff on, like,

bootleg DVDs and stuff. I'm not even, like, watching this on actual TV. I'm watching DVD seasons of Mad Men. I remember pirating Breaking Bad. I remember watching a lot of that on like weird websites. Yes. Marcus told us about like, here's the weird website that you can watch stuff on.

Yeah. And I would just watch it like on that with like weird ads every now and again, you know, that kind of, oh my God, party down started in 2009. Oh, such a good show. Man, it's so weird because in some ways it feels like so recently like, yeah, party down and Eastbound and Down. Like those just feel like they happened yesterday. but then like to think that that happened

when we didn't have navigation on our phones is like such a mind fuck, you know? And then and then hopping over to film just the stuff that define my year. First of all, weirdly enough, I never saw the movie, but just I have such a specific memory of talking to Ben Kessel

after he saw the movie orphan because of the twist that happened in the movie orphan. She's 31 years old. She's got this weird disease. She's 31. So I remember, like, that's kind of how all over the place. Dude, this is the year of Precious.

Remember when we all watched Precious? Oh, my God. I never did actually sit down and watch Precious. And I thought about the other day, I was like, should I watch Precious? Woo. Should I watch Precious? This is good. You know, no, this was, what a rough year.

I was also, like, blogging this year. It's the road. District 9. You were, wait, you were blogging? I had a blog. at a website that no longer exists. This was like... Yeah, this was like you were about to be like

writing stuff for Slate and stuff, right? So you were trying to get into that space. Right, but it was before that. And I was just trying to come up with all sorts of different takes. It was like pre the phrase hot take, but it was kind of the internet was a place of hot takes. And I was trying to be like,

I'm a feminist something. And writing about pop culture. And I just, there's just so many things that I just wouldn't stand by. I would probably not stand by anything I wrote in 2009. But there was, you know, like, I feel like it was just a time of, like, you know, obviously websites like Gawker, which I really liked.

But there was just, there was just always, like, it was before Twitter, what you did was like read, like, I read feministic every day. And there was like, you know, color lines and like all these different really good websites. But it was like you would just, there, I just remember the discourse around precious. There was just so many, like, let's write a thousand articles about, um, you know, Gabri Sida Bay and like, and, and I don't know, I guess it was all important and good at the time. But it just reminds me of curing coffee cups and like sitting in those kinds of offices. There may have been a ping pong table or a candy room and just like wasting as much of my day as possible online on different, you know, I probably wasn't on Jezebel, but it was this.

There was a web comedy website called Split Sider that I remember, I think, in 2009 or maybe 2010, somebody wrote. wrote an article that was like, here's why I think women, I still think women aren't funny. And there was this. And then I like wrote a response. And that was a conversation I think then, right? Very much so. Are women funny? Still a debating point in 2009.

Absolutely. Maybe even up until 2010. And right. And then that kind of transitioned to like other debates that came later. But like there was just so much like the discourse was really different. Now it all happens on Twitter and it usually happens in the course of like a day, whereas in 2009 there was like weeks of like, what does it mean to like have a, you know, let's talk about everything precious means for like weeks and weeks. And I think some of the

takes were great and really enlightening and informative. Some of them, including mine, I think were just fucking awful. Like it's just like what, it's just so, uh, the internet used to be a place where people would just go on it and like read blog entries. And I think there was a lot of value to that. But also what a, now there is, I don't think, I'm not necessarily saying it's a good thing, but now a lot of those websites don't exist anymore because they've all been bought by billionaires. And it's like, there's just no real media landscape like that at all anymore. People have substacks now, you know, so there's just, again, it's a different, I used to log into Gothamist and be like, here's where I get my local news. And, you know, and I used to log into feminists and

here's where I get my feminist takes. Here's where I get my, you know, whatever. And, and there's no, Like, there's, you know, I go to Gawker. Here's where I just get like fun poppy stuff. There's, no one uses the internet like that anymore. No one like opens up a web browser and types in a web address to like go read things. No. To the place. And I think, too, this is just before we all realize like, there's so many people out there that are desperate for money that are writers, you know, that, you know, have to come up with takes.

Yeah. This was a time. Yeah. $60. Right. I remember one job I looked that was like, you have. to write eight posts a day and it was like 30k a year, you know. And then you're like, do the math and that.

You're like, oh, then of course they have to come up with these crazy ass opinions all day, you know, to be so opinion. No one's that opinionated. And that, this is why I thank God that I didn't end up staying in, even though I think a lot of good did come from that era. Like, I at the time, I was like a new college graduate who had been like told I was smart and I was like, everything I think matters and I should write about everything I think and thank God I have since been freed from that delusion.

Can you write a series of like four sentences followed by a jiff that reacts to those four sentences followed by four more sentences with another jiff? It was this time when I was, I think you were clicking with it more and I was sitting and just there being like, what the fuck is this? I do dirty comedy in a, you know, at 11 p.m. show. How do I apply this to this? Right. And this is when I'm starting to get pissed off about internet cute, in other words.

I'm starting to get pissed off about the weird, you know. There was a lot of good and a lot of bad. Like, there was a lot of voice. I was reading a lot of perspectives that I had never read before, which is why it's good that I ultimately decided to kind of shut up. Because it was like, I just realized like, I don't have to weigh in on everything. Right. And it took me many years from 2009 to realize that. But like.

Really learning that, yeah, just starting to learn that lesson. What if we listened? What for me was like, what if I just tried to read, read, read. more and like say less about what I think. It does not matter what I think, you know. So for four movies, just to kind of give some blast of the past, some of my favorites came out this year. One of my favorite horror movies of all time, The House of the Devil, came out in 2009.

And Drag Me to Hell is this year. Drag Me to Hell was awesome. It's a good year for horror. You also have Jennifer's body. It's a really good year for horror actually in sci-fi because you also have District Nine and you have Moon. Yes. In 2009.

And again, if you're hearing all these movies, like these are great movies that weren't Avatar you know what I mean they were the smaller films But this is the problem though Is that this was such a part of my life That I was such a hater Because I love District 9

But this is also the same year That the Hangover came out And I refused to watch it Because every douchebag That was around me was like The hangover The hangover And I was like fuck the hangover

And fuck you for liking it And then I finally watched it Like two years ago And you know what It's hilarious Like I get it I get why people like it so much. Honestly, though, I will say I had a different...

I definitely saw it in the theater right when it came out. It was, like, hype for it. But I got... The thing I walked away from it with was, like, they showed all the funniest parts in the trailer. Oh, yeah. And everyone in the movie theater acted like they hadn't seen the trailer before when the part happened.

And I was like, you've all saw this in your home on TV during the Super Bowl or whatever it was. Yeah, you just needed to watch it 10 years later, Holden. I was like, how do people see a funny thing? multiple times on their television and then go into the movie theater and then act like it's happening for the first time. I mean, as the world got mad, like, that's kind of where I was at with it, which is so ridiculous. It was like a reverse experience of seeing Anchorman, which I went, when I went into Anchorman, I was like, this is going to be stupid. And then it was like probably

the best movie theater experience. I've had my life aside from watching cats with you. Yeah, yeah. One of my favorite summer films came out this year, by the way, too, Adventureland. I love love love the movie Adventureland. I think it's a perfect summer film. It just reminds me of getting home from Coney Island, you know, all sweaty and taking a shower and sitting by the AC and watching that movie and just so stone, so content. Yeah. Man. It's a cool year for movies, but it's like for the smaller ones and stuff, which is funny to say in a year that Avatar came out, but I still to this day have not seen Avatar because I still, a part of me is that kid who's like, I just don't want to be, I don't want to be, follow everybody, you know what I mean? Or I don't want to be,

you know. Well, at this point, everybody hates Avatar. So I think that. Yeah. Well, the sequel's coming. I think I have to watch it soon. Also, Patrick Swayze died in 2009. In 2009. Yeah. Damn, that long ago. Isn't that crazy? I feel like the theme that's emerging, even more than 2008, much more than 2008, the theme that's emerging in this rewind is just like so close yet so far. Like some things feel so a continuation of the same when thinking about like, especially the music. Like I feel like, you know, we're still in the landscape of Gaga and Kanye and Tay, Tisway and all. like, but, but then other, in other ways, it feels like. You mean like John and Kate plus eight?

John and Kate plus eight. This is where, then there's also the downside of it. Then there's also John and Kate plus eight, which everyone was obsessed with. And it was certainly just like a, ooh, this looks. And think about like when we watch Jersey Shore every week, which is so fun, but like, think about like there's been some moments, not that many, surprisingly, in Jersey Shore, but like anything you watch from this time, they will just be like normalized, like, like you'll hear just like, you know, gay slurs, like every so.

I don't think that's happened in Jersey Shore, actually. But like, you know, if you watch anything from this time, it was just the amount of like fat phobia in Jersey Short maybe is a better example, right? Like there was, this is completely before, again, go back to the, our women funny debate. They bleeped a couple of moments. Couple of efforts, maybe. Pretty sure that was the bad app. Yeah. I don't know.

Like, this was completely before there was any sort of like, maybe. mainstream, again, all those things were happening on, like, blogs. But this was before there was kind of like a mainstream awareness of like, maybe we shouldn't just say fucking awful shit all the time about marginalized people. On the other side of that spectrum, I mean, especially as someone who's like in a sketch comedy group called MurderFist trying to do like edgy, dark comedy and get a show on TV and loving shows like Eastbound and Down and stuff like that that really kind of for stuff like that.

And then on the internet, the biggest, one of the biggest trends, this is like the beginning of me starting to become, I think, an internet cute hater. The flash mob was...

The flashmob was gonna bring it up. Yeah. So corny, so stupid. And I'm definitely sitting there just being like, this is what people want. I think I'm fucked.

Oh, I love... See, this is, I'm different. I loved him then and I love him now. Of course, you would. Of course, you would. Of course.

And you know what? Again, you're better than, me like I'm an evil person and what you mean and that is what it is I don't like it but yeah just seeing that and being like fuck this shit at my day job

I probably hated them more than because I understand the instinct of being like this is this is too fun this is too cute you don't have anything better to do with your time that's you have anything better to do with your time that's what I mean I still I don't hate cute internet things and flash mob still with like

if I got like trapped in one I would I think I'd have a mental breakdown. But don't you love choreography? Don't you love a collective experience? On the stage. I love choreography on the stage. I think it's more of just like in my brain, it still lives in a prank world where like all I can

think about in a flash mob, like especially like if they do it in the street. I'm just like, how are people going to get to work? And that's where, what I think about because I'm a commoge. As a New Yorker, it's insanely inconvenient. It's just not cool or fun. Like we see crazy shit all day. So it's not like we go, whoa, like if you're in a small town and you see a flash mob, it's like the craziest thing that's happening all week.

But what about like improv every? Wasn't this the golden age of improv everywhere in New York? Or the no-pants subway ride and like the weird shit. All that stuff. Were we not loving that, Jackie? I was not. We're not loving that. But again, this was my hater time period.

I was, I only had a very short hater time period and this was it for me. This year, all of these things. I was a major hater. I couldn't have rolled my eyes. It's easy to be a hater when you're hung over, you know. Exactly. That's the thing. We were just hung over all the time and like jobless and shit.

No, if you're going to work to work for 12 hours to watch a 16 month old and a four-year-old that just screams, you're fat, you're fat, you're fat. And she could just scream it for hours. Your brain chemistry changes. That if I saw a flash mob, I would have just been like gone feral and just started like biting people because it was so filled with really. rage. Yeah. Very, very angry. Very angry time period for me.

Very drunk. Very angry. And, you know, I would get upset at things like Alvin and the chipmunks the squeak will. Because every time I saw the poster for Alvin the chipmunks, the squeak will burn with rage. Like I would scream drunkenly at the poster while I would wait for the bus just being like, fuck you. Fuck you, Alvin the chipmints. This is kind of the bullshit everybody wants. This is what they want, the squeakwill?

I agree. This is what they want. I always say my 30s were way better than my 20s, and this was probably like the worst time of my twins, you know? And I think this was after this. I kind of pick up the pieces. It takes another year or so because I have to go through my breakup and kind of find myself again, date myself for another year. And then like kind of, then we sort of, we get, we get together with Lexi and we get more organized and, you know, we get more focused and still kind of deal with a lot of. of ups and downs because it's not till 2017. I mean, it's another, I'm another, you know, almost

decade away from, like, really being like, I'm living my best life. I'm doing, this is what I was supposed to be doing, you know, but I think this was definitely like a rock bottom year for me. And I think it's a really interesting kind of, if not a rock bottom year, at least a big turning point year, just in pop culture, internet culture. all of that stuff for sure it's like a you know a phoenix rising from the ashes right like 2008 literally ended with a crash yeah and then you know you have this kind of like yeah all the hope that went into 2009 with obama and just the fact that Obama had biance and jZ at his inauguration and it just felt so different you know like yeah even like you know i didn't have a ton of

political hope for Obama, but it felt so, so different and it felt so hopeful and it felt like 2008 ended about as worse as it possibly could. And now what rises from the depths of despair. And it's true. Like, I feel like personally, it was another few years before I came out of the despair, but like, you know. Reminiscent of where we were at, you know, at the end of Trump's reign and January 6th and that and a pandemic, you know, and that feeling like this giant crazy, like we've just been through hell. Yeah. Hell on top of hell.

Our generation specifically really has, um, had quite, quite a few lows in their adulthood. Yeah. It's like three recessions now. Yes. Yeah. We had 9-11. We came. We became employable adults right as the economy collapsed and has, by the way, never

recovered. like in terms of like, you know, it recovered for the stock market, but it didn't recover for what it means to actually be a worker. And then, you know, we're all about many of us became parents right before the pandemic or during the pandemic. I will say, I will say Paul Blart Mallcop came out in 2009. See, I would have guessed 2015, if you had asked me. Right.

In 2009, Paul Bart, a Mallcop. And also, I, this was around the time period, I had absolutely no money, but I remember scraping the money together to go see up in the movie theater. And then I didn't know. And then I just remember, I saw it by myself. And I was just like, like, ugly crying alone and drunk in the movie theater because I brought a fifth of whiskey with me that I just sat there and sip the whiskey as I watched up alone.

And it was so worth it and such a mind-blowing experience. And then I just remember thinking that it was like, oh, loneliness is the option. It's just easier to be lonely. And I had a similar experience. I had a similar experience when I watched Medea go to jail. Oh, my bed. Loneliness. So wasn't that interesting?

It's the best. Yeah. Well, all right. I mean, I think that I can't find any more moments from that year. So I think we might be round in the corner here. Yeah. It's pretty couple's retreat. Should we talk about couples?

Just kidding. It was a big year for Vince Vaughn. I feel like Vince Vaughn was really at his. It was on top of this. Oh, yeah. But this also, we didn't even talk about the Academy Awards. This is the year that Heath Ledger wins for Dark Night. This is the year Slumdog Millionaire wins.

Oh, yeah. I saw the imaginarium of Dr. Pradassus on the movies list. I was about to bring it off because I was also like tragically like he blew everyone's mind with Dark Night. And then like his swan song film was the dumbest named thing. Very dumb. And then was also not good. The imaginarium of Dr. Bernassus is like a joke. That's like a name I would have come up with as a joke in a sketch about someone who had to put out a shitty movie right after they died.

But this is also the curious case of Benjamin Button, which was another one. Talk about hater Jackie. I remember watching it and screaming. I was like, oh, he's getting younger. Oh, who gives a shit? Yeah, I definitely was a hater on that movie. Wiz the Bruiser, we also do like a year that was, where we talk about movies, video games,

and stuff that came out. And every single year, I have to suffer the part where, like, I see what the big Oscar movie was and how no one gives a flying motherfucker about every time that movie. Yeah. And that was, like, the big Oscar bait movie that everyone was, like, forced to watch against their will.

And, you know, and you look back and you're just like, ew, like, why do we think? And I am a huge. I love watching the Academy Awards, and I'm just like, why do we ever show this show any respect when it's every time it's the fucking dumbest movie that we all had to watch too

because of Harvey Weinstein, whoever the fuck it was, shoved it down our throats. So funny. And it's like never the movie. Like I would have given it to maybe moon that year. Sure. Yeah.

Or District 9. Yeah. District 9. believe it was a revelation in the movie theater. It was so funny because everyone was like, Avatar, it looks amazing. This lush greenery. It was like the best sci-fi movie that came out of this year was set in fucking apartheid, fucking amazing South Africa.

And it's incredible. And it's like gritty and grimy. And it looks like shit. And it's like on purpose, so much better than Avatar. Yeah. Man. Well, I feel like now I'd honestly. just want like a Spotify playlist of all of the top.

This must exist. Just give me, it's a good music year. Give me the best hits of 2009 because it was a fantastic year for music. Really, really good music year, like for sure. Oh, thank you for going down memory lane with us. I really enjoyed it. I'm really, really happy that I am not the same person that I was in the year 2009.

And isn't that nice to revisit? To remind yourself that you've gone through rougher times. than the time you're currently going through. Sometimes you've got to remember those times to be like, thank God, I have Google Maps on my phone because I don't know what I would do without it. You would memorize the New York subway map, and I will say I'll never forget it.

That is, oh, I show up in New York, and I'm like, I know where everything is because, oh, we learned before it was on our phones. And thank you guys so much for joining us for this rewind this week. I had a lot of fun. I think I'm definitely going to be listening to Empire State of Mind for the rest of the week. And I am okay with that.

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