Page 7 - REEEEEEWIIIIIND 2011

Episode Date: September 14, 2023

Join Jackie, MJ, and Holden as they Party Rock their way through this 2011 REREREREWIIIIIIIIIIIIND filled with tales of when air conditioners and cable packages would make or break relationships and everyone was gettin' hopped up on TIGER BLOOD! Page 7 and Wizard and the Bruiser are going on TOUR! Dates and links to tickets at lastpodcastnetwork.com Want even more Page 7? Support us on Patreon! Patreon.com/Page7Podcast Subscribe to SiriusXM Podcasts+ to listen to new episodes of Page 7 ad-free.Start a free trial now on Apple Podcasts or by visiting siriusxm.com/podcastsplus. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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But also, Jackie, I was born this way. I bet you were. I'm sorry, you mean that you were born. lazy because today I don't feel like doing anything. Well, maybe you feel that way because we found love in a hopeless place. Without love in a heartless place. I heard that you settled down. Oh, this summer.

I still listen to all of these songs. It's been 13, 12 years since 2011, and I still think. that I still think of these songs as like current pop songs. Dude, this is, I think one of the first years that looking at all this was like absolute same. I was like, man, it was all these years ago in the year 2011, everybody, the year 2011 that we are talking about today. 2011 feels like 30,000 years ago and also yesterday. And is that what getting older is? This is all of this music especially, but just in general this year to me is like one specific sensation. Hot, sweaty, New York summer days and nights, my friend.

This was a cornerstone year. I'm actually very excited to talk about this year because oftentimes when I get into the 2010s, you know, I'm like, ah, I was there, but I wasn't really there. You were on a roof. You were very drunk. You were sort of just coasting through a relationship. but this year we all got a little pop in the nose a little bit. Oh, we got bopped.

My girlfriend broke up with me. Jackie broke up with her at an ex. And we all got back together at the end that was hilarious. Oh, God. It was such a wrong. You had a little romp. We had four months of beautiful experience. And then why did we get back together?

Because we got, we like found ourselves. again and we were like confident again and then they like saw us at a party or something and was like oh I miss that person let me go bring them back to where they were down to my level why did I just scrape them all the way back down to where I am and then you know what I said I said forget you yeah I did the I did the censored version oh my gosh it was no that I know back you no you saw I know what happened you saw you saw you saw you your exes across a party and you just looked at him and you just felt that that beat and you started quietly singing to yourself there's a fire you started in my heart yes of course we did and it certainly

wasn't moves like jag he had the moves like jaggaw he had to have a thought about that song since that is really one of my that is one of my least favorite songs like of all time like that every year we talk about a maroon five song Mr. Hey, Miss, I hate that song is so bad. Is that train on the radio? It's just so like the lyrics. Don't speak ill of train in front of me. Train sucks.

I am a train head over here. Don't you give me that. Oh my God. So many fucking good songs. This is like still golden age of Kesha pop. Like we are who we are. This is also the really good Katie Perry album. This is also super bass.

Oh my God. This was like the, this was like the year. this was like my big last romp. This was the year right before I met Gideon. It was Occupy Wall Street started in September of 2011. And I was also that summer, I was on a tear. I was just reckless and I was loving it. I was having a great, great, terrible summer.

Oh, man, what a year. We're going to, this. I, and this, I will say, quite a time for us little hipster darlings too because remember all the other kids with the pumped up kick

you better run better run man all the music was good this year you know man every time I hear that song I bop I still bop when I hear

pumped up kicks I know what it's about you know and then everyone did the but you know what it's about right what's it about? You think it's just a song

it's about school shooters oh yeah and everyone did the you know what it's about right That's really about it's that As if it was covert It's literally you better run Better outrun my gun

Yeah yeah yeah We know We know what it's about Foster the people A fun romp Absolutely there's so many good tries Six foot seven foot by Lil Wayne is so good Black and yellow

I was working Any year I started working in elementary schools In New York City in 2009 And so like each I loved it then and I love it now that I was like there will always be certain songs that like belong to certain kids or certain classes you know because of course like pop music when you are working with

kids that young it just infuses the entire like world and so like black and yellow there's this this one kid who was always walking around the school this little fourth grader always walking around going black and yellow black and yellow and I like it's silly any song will immediately transport me back to this like cafeteria in a certain elementary school in the Bronx and And I love rewinds for this reason because it's just like, especially when we start off with all the songs, it is like an immediate transportation back to this year. Yeah, we were so, and for us, like, I just remember we were insane. I don't know what.

I was probably, oh, yeah, I was working at Getty images. I remember, because remember the day that I got broken up with, I remember I didn't know where to go and I didn't know what to do. So I went to Holden's work. And I also, oh, because I got fired too. I got fired and I got broken up within the same week. And I remember I had nowhere to go. So I went to Holden and Holden's like, do you want to get lunch?

And I just remember sitting out front of Gettys just like crying openly sitting on a bench, just like not knowing what to do with my life. And it was so much better that way. Like that's the funny thing. We were so upset to be broken up with this stuff. And then we proceeded to have like the best summer we've had in years. So we called them super sad Sundays. We would just, a big group of us would get together who were all like happen to be like single and upset and like whatever. And we'd like day drink all day.

We would do the Staten Island fairy. We would, that was one of our things we do. Because we're also like not with money super a lot. No, so we had to find New York adventures that were cheap. And you can drink on the set. You can drink a big old can of a bagel can. You get the tall boy. You get the big fosters on the Staten Island Ferry.

The Sattin Island Ferry challenge was you had to get one of those big boys, drink the entire thing on the boat ride, and then run out of the boat and around to the departing boat and try to get there just in time before they close up the thing. Before they close it up and then you get another foster. And we'd see how many laps we could do. We'd just be fucking wasted by the end. Back and forth on the Staten Island Ferry getting hammered, which I called it the booze crews, highly recommended

I love that this is never an activity I did with you and I didn't do that exactly, I didn't do the back and forth, back and forth, but definitely getting

on the Staten Island Ferry for free and then getting the like $3 can of fosters on the ferry was like that was a choice activity of mine as well. So that is something that brought us together.

Yeah, you see Statual Liberty, you get the open air, you know, you feel like you got away a little bit. And then also we would take the other free ferry to Governor's Island. And one time we went

and there was a polo match happening, and Prince Harry was there, right? Well, so that's what happened is that we were, I was literally, I remember, I was pouring gin into a seven-up bottle. It was nasty, yeah, we were drinking lukewarm, seven-up in gin, and it was so hot.

So gross. So we're passing around a two-liter bottle as we walk around Governor's Island. We made friends with this, like, beautiful angel woman who had a big hat and a flowing dress on. I think we were all on mushrooms. She had just gotten divorced with, too.

She had just gotten divorced. And we're like, come join us. But she was beautiful. And we were all disgusting and sweaty because I remember I had spent the night on your couch. So, like, I was still, like, disgusting from the day before. And she's like, there's actually this polo match happening. I can get you guys in.

And we're like, all right, we'll go watch a polo match. I was like, I don't even know what polo is. I didn't even know polo included horses. And then we showed up. And it was Prince Harry playing polo. And it was the day he fell off the horse. He fell off the horse. And we had an amazing time.

We were just hammered, chain smoking around all these like elites. Elite people. And we're smoking cigarettes and they're all drinking champagne. And we're like taking their champagne and drinking their champagne. Well, like Governor's Island, this is, if you don't know this about New York City's Island, and Governor's Island. It is like an island where it's not really an island where only fancy things happen, but it's kind of an island where only fancy things happen.

Kind of. There's like lots of, it has all these like old colonial style buildings and it is like there's no cars on it. And it's just like this like special little place. You have to take a boat to get there. Well, it's an old fort because it was like a fort that used to protect New York. It's like a defunct fort. And it like hosts lots of like special things.

theme parties. So I remember Governor's Island because they always had these jazz age lawn parties there. And summer 2011, they would have one at the beginning and one at the end of summer. Well, MJ, that was the date Lex and I went on that kind of sealed our fate. No way. The Jazz Age Law Party. I love the Jazz Age lawn party. If you were in New York, I'm sure it's still going on because it's so successful. I got, I hope it's still happening. Yeah, twice a year over the summer, they will do this thing where they literally in the middle of the field. you feel like you're in an Ingmar Bergman film. You feel like you're in like nine and a half

or Igmar or Bergman's eight and a half, whatever it's called. You walk around, it's in this open field, but everyone's dressed to the nines and 20s stuff. There's like a dance floor in the middle of it. They have a big band orchestra playing. Everything is just, you feel like you're transported

to another place in time. It's like incredible. And I took Lexi on a date there trying really bad to like, yeah. She literally, there's a post that she just re-shared because it's really the anniversary for us,

almost like the true anniversary for us. Did you guys do anything to celebrate? We fucked. That's nice. The next day, but the next day she wrote on Facebook, she wrote Best Date ever, and that was like literally the,

you know what I mean. So it was beautiful. Especially back then, that meant something. When you wrote on Facebook, when you wrote an update on Facebook, oh my God. Yeah, this was back when you would still just like,

I have also been. thinking about that and how, because you know how Facebook will do your, like, memories now? And I always look at them because usually it's memories of the kids or whatever. But then also it'll just be like a status from 2009 of me being like, I don't like Jersey Shore, some stupid, like, first of all, I was wrong. The second of all, like. So wrong. Sorry, F.A. But like, you know, obviously Zuckerberg is bad and everything. But I do kind of, doesn't it seem like a simpler time when And there were fewer websites you were supposed to share different types of updates on. And it was just everyone was on Facebook saying their sad thoughts.

If we could just go to an even simpler time back before it was even Facebook when it was actually just a way to rate women at Harvard. Rate their bodies and rate their minds. Which we could go back there and give I would love to give a woman a six right now. It's funny too because you guys called this. You guys called this summer 2011 Super Sad Summer. I don't know if that was an explicit reference to a very popular book that summer that was written in 2010, but it was very, very popular in 2011 called Super Sad True Love Story by Gary Steingart. No. Oh, no.

It's a fantastic. I haven't read it since 2011, but I read it, I think, in October of 2011 right after Occupy had started. And it was, it's like a, it's set, it's like one of these kind of like dystopian novels that said in the very not too. distant future and it was basically imagining like the encroachment of social media and all aspects of our lives. So it's like about these people in, remember, this is 2010 when it was written, but it's like all the characters are always walking around talking into their phones with like streams of information all around them and they're like always lives. Oh my God, I remember the cover of this book. Everybody read this book on the subway. Everybody read this book on the subway.

I remember that. Yes, this was back when people were still reading paper books on the subway. I just got like Theronians was like, I know this book. I remember this book. Oh my God, everybody had this book. Yes. It was the whole and it was astonishing when I read it because it both predicted Occupy almost exactly and it like predicted live streaming. And I remember

reading it at the time and being like I, like this was a for me where I was at this summer was I was in a show that I loved. It was a weekly show so I was performing all the time. I was like felt really confident in myself as like a, I was like, I'm an actor. And the show went to Edinburgh and I was just like really feeling it.

I was having a trist with a, with a gentleman that I was very excited to be having a trist with. And I was just like really feeling like the shit. I was listening to Adele all the time. I was listening to Katie Perry all the time. I just felt, I just like, summer 2011, I was just like, man, I am like a young fuck up in my prime. And it just felt like I hit it.

I wasn't all fuck up. I was like some success and some fuck up in the right exact right ratio, you know. Yeah, totally. And it was like the peak, like if I could pick a year that was like peak youth, it was like this summer. Yeah. Yes. It's so interesting that it all came in the same year for the three of us. I specifically remember going over to Holden's at one point.

I was always at this year I was at Holden and Gis was like every single day. I never was not at their apartment. And I remember when Holden was like, Camere, we were smoking cigarettes out of, I was sitting in the broken wheelchair that was in your bedroom and I was smoking cigarettes out your window. And you were like, Camere, I want to show you like, he's like, watch this woman sing. She's going to blow you away. And he's like, it's just her on a stage singing. And it was Adele. And I remember hearing someone like you for the first time. And it was Adele. I forget, I forget what awards show she was at. where she was just on stage, just her, just sitting and taking it down. And I was like, like, I could feel my bones shatter, especially. She's a plus-sized woman. Like, it was like everything. Big as the moon.

Big as the moon. Oh, I loved it when she was big as the moon. Oh, my God. You know, part of me as a plus-sized person always makes them like, she fell from grace when she lost all that weight, which is a horrendous thing to say. I don't actually feel that way, but she left my team. It was really exciting. I mean, I had never seen, that's still, that, that award show, I maybe we'll be able

to figure out what it was. That's still how I picture Adele, because I remember my friend was describing to me, was singing me rolling in the deep, and she was like, are you, I hadn't heard it yet. And she was like, are you crazy? This song is everywhere. What's wrong with you? And I think we watched it. And I was like, I remember, it's like seared in my mind.

Just like, this is exactly what I want. from pop music. Because had we started page 7 at this point? This is what I'm trying to figure out. I have no idea. I think the answer must be yes, because this is also the year, I'm not going to get all into the details

because it doesn't really matter, but 2011 is the year that kind of bisected my life because in September, 2011, Occupy Wall Street started, and that completely changed the entire trajectory of my life. The whole thing I said before about identifying as an actor and like a creative fuck-up and everything took a massive sharp left turn when Occupy Wall Street started and I was just like,

I have a different purpose now. And it completely, completely changed my life. And then I had to figure out like, okay, how do I integrate everything that I've been doing with like being a creative performing person with what I want to do now, which is be completely politically engaged with this thing that I'm very inspired by. And it was a little bit weird and jarring to figure out how to do all that. And so I think that we must have already been doing page seven because I think that I would have remembered if we had started page seven after Occupy started. Because by the time Occupy started, I was suddenly going to comedy stuff way less because I was going to protests way more. So I'm pretty sure that we already had page seven going, but that it was like very like irregular,

like who knows if it was weekly. Who knows if anyone was listening? It was in that back, back room in the basement of the creek, not even where roundtable recorded. No, the really small back closet that literally just the three of us fit inside of. Yes. And we would just get gin. I don't even know if we were calling them jizzies at that point, but we were definitely drinking gin. I think it was We were definitely drinking gin. This was a big gin time period of my life. This was my, my jizzy time period was definitely, because I specifically remember pouring the seagrums into the seven up bottle and just being like, this is my drink. I'm a seven and sevens bitch now. And like I really, really into seven and sevens for a bit. It's a great drink. It's a great drink. There's no,

road soda. This is also, talk about youth when you just had a 20 ounce thing of soda with you all the time because it was easy to just pour a little gin in there. Yeah. I'm actually realizing, I think this was the year I did that jazz fest thing with Lexi because I think we got together later in this year. I think the Super Sad Sunday, this was the second time my ex dumped me and I was fully no longer with her when we did this summer because I'm seeing the, you know, the big tell, I remember going with Lexi to see the Muppet movie in the theater, which was such a, remember that? It was like, Muppets are back.

Yes. It was so good. Yes. Because it was, yeah, it's the one if, with, am I a man or am I a Muppet? Yeah, I do remember this. And Jason Segal is so good. And like, I didn't see a lot of movies in the theater. I don't think this year.

No, we didn't have any money. Yeah, so I was buying bootleg DVDs a lot. David is? In fact, this is definitely that summer because Midnight in Paris is on here, the Woody Allen movie. And that was the movie. Probably one of the worst dating experiences I ever had was with this one woman. More so than Nell? No, no.

I mean, that's like middle school. Oh. That was middle school. One of us thinks this is a date and the other one clearly knows it's not a date. And, you know, you could guess who was who in that situation. But this was like, we are on a date. Um, she, she, we went to see Midnight and Paris and, uh, at that point, especially, I was a huge Woody Allen fan. And I ended up, I was like really excited about this movie. And it was a very good movie like,

in terms of his later career stuff. And I was so into it. And the whole time she kept just talking to me, like pretty loudly like the whole movie. And then after we got out, she was like, oh, yeah, I saw it last night. So. I remember. I remember. And I was just like, what the, fuck's happening. Why did you say you would go see this with me if you just saw it and why were you talking the whole time? And I went on another date with her. I went to her place and she lived in one of the most hilariously awful New York City apartments. Like the bed was in the kitchen. Yeah. There was no like the... Oh yeah. You told us about this one. The one who she didn't have air conditioning. She didn't have air conditioning. The couch was like a wooden bench. We watched like a movie on that wooden bench.

and then I couldn't even go through with, I was like, I had, I stopped halfway through the sex. I was so uncomfortable and sweaty and just, I was like, I got to get out of here. Yes, this is a Holden classic. We recently heard this story, but that's not your wife, Lexi. This was before you.

And then I think later that year, though, because I do think I end up, you know, fully with Lexi by the end of this year. Like I go through a full, hell yeah, single era, you know, for most of this year. Yeah. and then end up settling in. I'm going to blame you for me getting back together with my ex,

because I feel like you started dating someone. I'm like, well, what am I supposed to do? Yeah, I should date someone. Because I... That's real. That's real. That's very real.

I... It is so easy to forget when you are partnered with someone how hard it is to be single. And I feel like, especially at this time in my life, so much of my, like, self-esteem was just like, am I, and I was not meaningfully partnered with anyone during this time, but so much of my self-esteem was just like, well, everyone else has a fucking boyfriend and I don't, you know? And then I, this was, my summer trist was like somebody who I 100% knew was not ever going to become a boyfriend,

but I was just like, man, I am here while the getting is good and I'm like joy every minute of it. And I did. Summer loving, it was a true summer loving. It was an absolute only summer loving situation. It was a fun one, man. This is a good fun one. And I was just kind of lost in the moment. Like, I feel like other years we talk about how I was, I talk a lot more about, I think, career stuff. I think this year I finally just like gave up on that for just a second. Like, I was still doing murder fist and everything.

But I was less like, I'm fucked. I got to figure this out. And more like, let's just fucking live it up every. We're in New York. We're in our 20s. We're, let's fucking go. Let's like really live. And that was a really cool thing.

Also, I think the Nighthawk kind of became a thing around this time because I'm seeing Drive. I'm also seeing The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo. Those were movies I saw at the Nighthawk, which was still is. One of my favorite movie theaters of all time. It's in Bedford area, Williamsburg, Brooklyn, and you get the full table service. But there's just some about the Nighthawk that I've been at other theaters where they do that. It's special.

They're slinging really good drinks. The food is great. and I just, I just, every movie I've seen there, I loved even the bad ones because it was so good. I'm just like, remembering all this summer stuff. Yeah. Big movies of this year were rough. I mean, there's, okay.

There's a shit year for movies. There's bridesmaids. Don't get me wrong. There's like lots of hitters, but like the number one grossing movie, Harry Potter and the Deathly Hollows part two. Then there was Transformers Dark of the Moon, which I believe is the third Transformers movie. And the third movie is Pirates of the Carls. or being on Stranger Tides, which is also not the first one. Like there's Kung Fu Panda too.

Like this is the year of just like, and Twilight Breaking Dawn. I was going to say, how have you not mentioned Twilight Breaking Dawn or? But still, part one. We need to talk about Kevin. We need to talk about Kevin. Oh, my God. We do need to talk about Kevin. That it's been 12.

Why can't I do the math? It's been, yes, 12 years of jokes about we need to talk about Kevin. And I feel like when I like my life was personally bisected in 2011. There was a before 2011 and after 2011 because of Occupy. But also looking back at this time, yes, the three of us are fueled with nostalgia because it was like our peak youth summer. But don't you also feel like this was like the beginning? It was the beginning of a new decade.

It also just seems like the beginning of a bunch of cultural shifts that then, the tracks that we have been on in terms like the movies, there's nothing. really to like write home about but I just feel like at this time it was like Twitter this was the year that because of of not only Occupy but also like the Arab Spring and it was like this was like the time magazine called 2011 the year of the protest there was so many emergent social movements that began this year and Twitter like catapulted into like this was the year I I don't think at the beginning of 2011 I don't think I probably ever looked at Twitter and by the end of 2011, I was like absolutely obsessed. And I think it was just, there was a lot of emergent social

media, a lot of like, even the super sad true love story thing, like posting your status all the time, posting where you are. It was that Tumblr was a thing. So there was just like, I feel like my whole goal this summer was to like get as many cool pictures of myself as I could to post all the time. You know what I mean? Oh, yes. That's why I was actually going to like, I was like, I should look through some of of the Facebook pictures that I have from this time period, because I know I've got so many. Yes. Like, it was just like this was an increasingly online year, you know?

And it was just, I think that, like, Occupy is such a framework for me. But when we did our 2013 episode, we were talking about how that was, like, kind of peak, forgive me for employing the word, but it was, like, kind of peak, like, woke mindset. in terms of, you know, think pieces, in terms of, like, doing a lot of, like, interrogating privilege and things like that. And sometimes it was really helpful, and sometimes it was really annoying,

and it was good, and it was bad, and all of that stuff. And I feel like 2011 was really kind of launched this, like, social, maybe because of the Arab Spring and Occupy, it launched this, like, combination of social media and, like, public social consciousness, social justice stuff. It, like, launched us into, like, a decade of that, right? it seemed like it was a turning point year. Yeah, for sure.

I mean, yeah, I think definitely, I think I avoided it like the plague, right? I, I avoided all that stuff like until I like absolutely, you know, until 2016 when something happened. Yeah, that's, there was a, there was a stretch there where it was like before 2016 where it was like, you know, there was kind of increasingly discourse about things like that. And then there was also a lot of people that were like, you know what? I wish you the best, but I'm not going to do that. And then 2016 was kind of like, oh, now we all have to think about who the president is. Yeah, great. Now everybody's uncle sucks.

So let's figure this out. Yeah, yeah, I know, but I know that that was all going down, you know, in the back. And so much more discourse was happening online. And I think people at this time, and I always look back at this time, is I think there was a chain of events that happened largely tied with a lot of discourse online that got us to where we are to get. today very devised to gay it got us all being gay and and thank you yeah that was good you're more it's gayer now you know what's funny is I always thought like the internet and having be able to have these discourses and things like that foolish me thought that this would maybe unite us in this interesting way but in fact I think that really it just served to eventually divide

us and the real secret to that sauce was that people don't know the fuck to talk to people online or the fact that if you just have that little bit of separation, people just don't know how to like word things in a way that is it actually like actively antagonizing other people. And I think those people, that smaller subset of people, on both on all sides, made things really like, and I think we're just figuring out how to like have conversations that don't make either end walk away like worse off. looking at the other side worse off. You know what I mean? Yeah.

And so there was a mixture of, I think that stuff was nasty online. I think the Occupy stuff, though, was so cool. And it was really, like, important, you know. And obviously, you were a part of that, that whole bit and everything. I just remember I was so drunk and watching you do all these things that were so good for other people.

And I just remember, we were useless. I'm such a piece of shit. Yeah. I just drink all day. Which I was, I mean, fair. I feel, in retrospect, though, and I spoke about this in the 2013 Rewind, we did too. But in retro, for me, it was like, Occupy was so meaningful to me. And it gave me this incredible sense of, yeah, of meaning and, like, purpose.

But I also know and talk about, you know, early social media, early online discourse. Like, I know that I was, like, way too righteous. I had the righteousness of somebody who was newly. We were all figuring it out. You know. We were all figured out. I mean, all of our social media mistakes were made at this time. Yeah.

You know, all of us. Yeah. Like we all figured out, oh, don't like, I remember at one point I, someone had some thread going about UCB and I like wrote this whole thing shitting on UCB. And then like the head artistic director of UCB like responded to it. Yeah. You know what I had a, who I had a good relationship and who, who I had a good relationship and who liked murder fist. Yeah. You know? And then you go, oh, that wasn't worth it. I got nothing out of this.

And now I just ruined a relationship that I just could have kept for and kept my mouth shut. Because it wasn't like anything that needed to be said. It was just kind of like, hey, it was like annoying how, you know, we couldn't get a run there unless we didn't do shows other places. And we just didn't like, you know, whatever. We just turned our nose up at UCB in these certain ways. Right. And, you know, yeah. Yeah, exactly. And then you walk away and you're like, oh, man, like, I just, yeah, a lot of stuff like that. And I was watching other people. I mean, I'm watching, I think this might have been around the same time. Maybe it was a few years later. I mean, there was like one lady from my high school. The only thing I remember about her is her reputation was that she stole. She was trash. And she got together with this really trashy guy. And they would have all of their public displays of affection and all. also their fights fully on their Facebook pages. Oh my God, I had relatives that did that. And they would just fight with each other. But then when they were not fighting,

it was almost worse. They would just go into great detail about their love for each other and their lust for each other. That was this time for sure. Crazy shit. The longer the caption, the less the love. We all know this.

Yes. Yes. Like this was the social media landscape at this point truly was, I remember in 20, 2010, I was having a trip with a different guy who also didn't work out. But the goal was, like, the biggest goal at this time was to look, figure out how to make your Facebook profile look cool, right? And to be like newly tagged in a picture on Facebook.

So you could be like, maybe the person I have a crush on will see how cool I look in this picture, you know, and there was so much like image cultivating. And I'm sure that part of that was because of the age we were. And I like doing rewinds because we are all roughly the same age. And as, even though I always assume that all of our listeners are also elder millennials, we do have some people of different generations out there. And I love hearing from whenever we do rewinds, younger people who were, you know, in middle or elementary school or high school during, you know, this time or people who were older.

But like for me, it's like hard to think about, especially the year 2011 and like the ascent, the social media landscape without having it be intrinsically linked to youth, because it was so, the whole online landscape was so much more like impulsive. You know, it was like, it was like, I feel like this was just when we were starting to be like, oh, we should be careful about like what kind of pictures you post online in case you're ever going to run for president or whatever, right? Because that and also, I'm sure started, people started looking at your social media's then

around this time. Yeah, right. And for jobs. And yeah. So it was like where Facebook started off with like the whole point was to be drunk on Facebook. Yes. then it had to, that was also changing and you're figuring out what type of, of like online persona am I actually trying to cultivate here, which is why I think in part I became really

righteous, because on Twitter I was like, well, I believe in all these things and I have to talk about all these things. And the thing with Occupy, I was like, once I got there, I was like, why aren't more people here? Everyone else is talking about other stuff, but they should be here. But in retrospect, you know, I'm looking and it's like, this is also nostalgia, but like I I look at 2011 and I'm like, man, there was just like a lot of really good, the movie sucked, but like there was like, this was a time of like really good comedy, like really good TV. Like I'm trying to figure out when like parks and, when was the golden age of like Parks and Rec community and 30 Rock, you know? Because I feel like I know summer 2010 I was watching all that stuff.

And there was just like a lot of really good art being made, really good pop music, really good TV, really good comedy. But not movies. Movie wise, I would say not. much. Not movies. Yeah. But yeah, Parks and Rec. It's huge at this time.

Yes. Yeah. Yeah. 30 Rock went until 2013. I think community was also around this time. And yeah, it was just like, it just feels like I was, I wish I hadn't spent so much time being like, why aren't people thinking about the same things I'm thinking about? Because like, there was just a lot of actual really cool stuff happening during this time.

Yeah, yeah. But also, you know, we could have spent a little less time getting daydry. So, you know. Yeah, but also remember, this is the year of the Charlie Sheen winning. Yes. And remember how often we said winning to each other. And also, this is the heyday of Yolo. Yolo.

That was the biggest downfall for me and my life choices was the, at first I remember, like, it was like the beginning of hashtags. And I was just like, this is so dumb. This is such a dumb thing. And then I just remember flipping it. I was like, you know what? Fuck it. Yolo.

And then we would drink all day. And I was like, you know what? Why am I so against Yolo? Yeah, hashtag is cringy. But like, also, Yolly live once. It was the beginning of hashtags. You're right. It was the beginning of hashtags.

But I do want to go back to the Sheen thing, because that was such a big cultural turning point. So we had just come out of pointing and laughing at celebrity meltdowns, right? This was a bit of a different thing. though. This was someone owning the meltdown and being like, I smoke crack. I don't give a fuck. Tiger Blood, I'm winning. And then, if you remember, he did like a live show. Where did he do it at? Somewhere like huge. He did like Radio City or something. And it was just like a complete chaotic shit show. And it was also like, it was almost the final end point of us like making a big deal out of celebrities like completely falling apart mentally. You know what I mean? It was almost like the end point of that because then it was like, fine, I'll do a live show.

And I remember all the reporting that came out on that. It was just this chaotic mess. And you just were like, why is everybody paying money for tickets to see this like maniac who's clearly like on a mental decline? Get on stage and just like bullshit for an hour or whatever because he's just like an actor whose show went on hiatus because of his own actions. and then he just had two catchphrases in like an insane interview and now it's like and that I think also is a testament

of what the internet the power of the internet is the power of the internet is for better for worse it can lift people up really quickly into the stratosphere of like household name and all that kind of stuff in this way that like

just allowed for these weird things to happen like him doing you know him doing that that crazy theater show you know and everyone watching It was terrible. It was so dumb. It was like, it was kind of like, it kind of had a vibe of like a fire fest. It was a total fiasco. Like the whole thing was a fiasco. Yeah. You know? Right. Yeah, that's such an interesting time. But yeah, Tiger Blood winning and just. Adonis DNA. He was, he was having a time. But also, again, we weren't talking about his mental health. We were just like, what? He's great. Look at the crazy guy. Let's laugh at the crazy guy. Let's laugh at the crazy guy. We weren't quite there yet, but it was still a different take in the sense of like, now we're watching people own their mental breakdowns and just be like, yeah, I'm fucking

nuts. I'm going to make as much money off of being publicly insane as I possibly can. It's such a weird thing that didn't happen before. And it only happened because of memes and, you know, quick clips circulating on the internet. Totally. That's like how, you know, this never would have gone down before where an actor has a total breakdown leading to him like getting fired from his own hit TV show and then he like sells out a theater off of that totally and like I I'm not sure if I would stand by this but let me just pontificate

for a second where I feel like if you were to talk about you know 2016 obviously 2016 was the election of Trump but like if you're talking about like online in like 2016 2017 2018 2018 2019 I there's not a lot of huge differences between those years that stand out to me like we kind of like reached like a, a plateau there in terms of what the internet was like. And then I feel like in the last, since 2020 in the pandemic changed everything there. And we, you know, the way we interact with, interact with the internet changed a lot. Imagine all the people. Oh, God. Remember the dumb, the dumb, like, homemade news show that fuckface sold for like millions of dollars? We were just talking about that. Yeah. The good news show. But like, remember that show that never

went in like, can you, what a waste of fucking money, man. People. Executives are so stupid. You couldn't see that that was just an in-the-moment online-only thing that was never going to translate to like an actual TV show, you fucking moron. So you spent millions of dollars for no reason. But like looking back at 2011, it feels like even though the internet had obviously been around and in people's homes for a good decade and a half by that point, like I feel like or between a decade and a half maybe depending on like where you were.

But like, I feel like in 2011, things were still, it seems like the way that we were interacting with the internet was still like really rapidly changing, you know. Well, because this wasn't a time period. Like, did you, like this year, I didn't have internet on my phone. Like, I remember I had a Blackberry, but like I didn't have internet on my phone. So I'd have to go to a computer. Same. To get internet. So it wasn't already.

It wasn't like fully, you weren't fully accessible all the time. And I think that this was the last time period when like, like, for super. sad Sunday's like I like people I would have like friends be like I haven't heard from you in like two weeks because like I'd just be on a bender and I'm like oh sorry I'm alive and like because people weren't like I wasn't like texting as often and I remember at one point my blackberry fell out of my back pocket into a toilet in a bar and I was too scared to tell my mom so I just didn't have a phone for like a month and now my phone got stolen not that long ago I went a day and I was frothing at the I was just like, what do I do without it?

Like, I'm so addicted to it now. That is such a good point. A lot of people had smartphones by 2011, but I didn't get a smartphone until 2011. And it was still a time where you were not expected to necessarily write back to an email until like that night. I would leave my house in the morning and then come back. And I was broke. So I lived in a hallway. So I would leave my house, be out the whole day, you know, come back at 10 or 11 at night and then respond to emails.

you know, and then post all my Facebook updates or whatever. And that was, yeah, so maybe that's, maybe you're totally right, Jake. Maybe that's why it felt like this was such a different time to interact with, like, the internet because it wasn't there all the time. And it still felt like, it felt like this incredibly exciting thing. Like how hilarious that I, to think, like, how I was just, I thought Twitter was going to change the world, you know. And in some ways it did.

Some for the best and some for the much, much, much, much. worse. Yes. Yes. For sure. And even you talking about like, like I, this was the time period that went and being on OKCupid, the hammer gets it. And I'd have to go, I would go to the public library when I was in the city so that I could respond to see if I could go get laid later on that evening. Like I would run like just run to the library real fast, check it. And then respond back and be like, meet me here. And then I would just like hope that they were going to meet me there? Yeah, I miss this time. I know that sounds like life was more inconvenient, but there was more magic to the world. It was more magic and more waiting for people and not

knowing when they might show. Not knowing when they're going to show up and just hoping that like, well, they knew I was supposed to meet them here and like, but also like the decline. Like it wasn't like we were using public phones either. There was just a lot of hoping. And nobody, Nobody cares about it now, but A, this show really set the tracks for my relationship with Lexi early on. We quickly became obsessed with the show and the books together as the show started coming out. Game of Thrones. Yes, dude. Game of Thrones was a weekly nest...

I can close my eyes in B in Lexi's bedroom in Astoria Queens watching an episode like on her laptop for sure, which means, I guess, was streaming, I swear we watched it, like, in bed at this point. But I don't know, maybe we, maybe I got it off like a bootleg website probably is what it was. Because that's the only way you could stream stuff, I feel like, at this point. Oh, Bob's Berger started in 2011.

Nice. Black Mirror started in 2011. I remember when Black Mirror dropped. Because, again, talking about the book, the Super Sad True Love Story that you were bringing up earlier, black mirror was another one of these things where it's like, In real time, I remember watching Black Mirror, and I remember being so hungover watching the first episode of Black Mirror that, like, I had to pause it to go yak multiple times because it was like yucking me out so hard. And it was just too hungover to be watching it.

And I just remember it was really hot in the apartment because we didn't have any AC or we just like would only run it at night because we couldn't afford to have it on during the day. And like, I just remember it's just so hot. just be like, uh, like trying to get through the first episode of Black Mirror, but then like realizing, I remember having the conversation

with some person I had had there. And I, and I, some person you had lain with. Layne with the night before and was now laying in like, just sweaty, hungover state with.

And then I remember having the conversation, like, would you watch it? Like, would, if this happened, like, this is something that like,

could feasibly, weirdly enough happen in our world, would you, like, do you remember the first episode with the pig? So, funny enough, what I remember is you and Marcus telling me about Black Mirror on an episode of page seven with the pig. And I remember you and Marcus telling me, don't watch it because I won't like it. And so I'm not used episode. To this day, I've still not seen Black Mirror. Black Mirror is so good, though. Because the way you described it sounded really scary. There was streaming. We had to have had Netflix streaming then.

We had Netflix. Yes. We definitely had Netflix streaming and maybe HBO had, no, I think we just had direct TV at this point on Lexi's TV. That was a big part. Lexi's TV had a lot to do with our getting together as well. She had a good at the time TV with like all the good cable and everything. So I would just go there and the good AC and she had some rock and air conditioning. Whoa.

Man, air conditioning. Air conditioning has sealed many of relationships fate. Yes. How many relationships built on air conditioning? If you got the good AC, you are getting somebody's going to want to hang out. I guess that's such an interesting part of specifically youthful New York dating that I remember. And I remember it would be like the third question I would ask is do you have AC? when going to go meet up with somebody because then I would know that if they didn't have AC,

I wasn't going back to their place. Yes. Right. Because I didn't have it. And so if you, if you managed to like seal a deal with a guy, then that was great. But if you sealed the deal with a guy who had air conditioning, then you were going to try to establish at least a friends. You're going to fuck them, but you're going to try to establish a friends with benefits situation

for the duration of the summer, you know? Just to get through the summer. You got to get through the summer. But is that happen at other places? I don't know. I want to know. The AC. There must be.

I mean, unless, yeah, right. Here, New York City is a window unit place, unless you are very rich. But when I was in L.A., everyone's just like, oh, yes, we have AC everywhere all the time. It's central AC. It's not something that you need to turn off and on. It's just there. And so maybe it is really a cultural difference. But yes, here it's, I didn't have it.

I didn't have it summer 2010. I didn't have it summer 2011. And I was like, it probably made me sluggier because I needed to find other places to sleep. Oh, yeah. I'll hop around. And especially, man, there was nothing quite like when someone was like, I have AC and it is just like barely works. And you're like, you're a liar. And now I'm trapped here and I have to have sex with you.

Or do you mean that? I don't want to have sex with you. I also met a guy I really liked who didn't have AC. And I was like, man, do I do this or do I not do this, you know? Do I do this or do I not do this? I love. And one other reason I know for a fact that we were doing page seven

at this time period is the royal wedding. I remember us talking about the royal wedding. Do you guys ever give a fuck about a royal wedding? Do you guys give a shit? I never give it. I don't understand it. I'll never get it. Why people care so much.

I don't. I think that it's fun. The pageantry is fun of it. And like thinking about spending so much money on something. Because this is also the same. year as the Kim Kardashian Chris Humphreys, like, 72-hour marriage. Remember she did that whole huge, like, television event? That's right. And then they got divorced immediately. That's right. Yeah, that was back when they were way a laughing stock. Yeah. It was interesting.

They were like much more to be shitted upon at all times, whereas now we have to kind of be like, yeah, but they're all so geniuses. Yes, that's true. They were, there was less, Like, Kim Kay had not really established herself as, like, a person who, like, makes very weird choices, but ultimately you kind of have to respect. Like, at this point, there was no, like, you got to respect her kind of thing. I think it was, it was Tina Faye, who's the first person to say that I heard be like, I think, I think she's brilliant. I think she's, you know, a very smart business woman. It was kind of the first time I'd heard that. I don't think I was even in 20 levels, probably after, you know, another year so after. I thought you were going to bring up a different thing because I remember this being kind of a big deal. And kind of like as a comedian, this really gave me some like reassurance that I was going into I was a little worried about the awful Oscar hosting job from one James Franco and Anne Hathaway, which really like proved to the point that you really need a comic. As much as you don't want a comic because you again turn your nose up to comedians as an institution.

and you think they're all bullshit. You do need them, though, to, like, host an emcee or event because, like, it is actually a skill that is hard to pull off and you can't just put random, pretty actors into the job. And then the other hilarious thing, too, and then later they try to go, maybe we'll just have no host, which is also another slap in the face of, like, yeah, you can't get around it. You, like, need a comedian to do this.

Someone at least who is trained in being an MC. It is not easy, dude. And so it was really kind of fun to watch James Franco and Ann Hathaway bombs so hard. Oh, they ate it so hard. When did James Franco fall from Grace? Because didn't he have kind of an early? After Me Too. After Me Too. I thought it was pre. I thought he was after Me Too. Maybe I'm wrong. I think maybe there were rumblings, but no, he was definitely one of the in the bucket of shitty dudes that got thrown into the furnace. It was definitely post, you know, in a post like a wine scene. Outing, Cosby Outing World.

I feel like he was an early badman, like that we found out in the early, like, because I remember I like got to, my friend was like an art guy, like worked for various galleries and stuff. And he was, he knew that I had a massive crush on James Franco. This would have been in probably 2009 or 2010. And he was like, do you want to go to this gallery thing where James Franco will be? And I was like, yaw. So I stand within a few feet of him and stare at him.

And I feel like even then there was like some. some rumblings of foot. But it must have just been like, oh, he was like all around NYU all the time and everyone. So everyone in New York kind of like just heard rumors about what he was like. Yeah. But yeah, so I guess in 2011,

if he hosted the Oscars, he must have still been fine. And then I feel like there was just this kind of gradual, like there wasn't a huge Me Too moment with him. It was just this kind of like gradual sliding down a mud slope for him of like everybody being like, I think he might be bad. And then like everyone just kind of got on board of like,

oh yeah, no, No, there's all these stories. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Oh, God. And I'm looking through some of the fashion trends of the year of 2011. We've got statement tights.

It was a lot of headbands. Really? It was a headband time period. There's the boho headbands that go all the way around your head. But then this was also like the time period of like girls were wearing fedoras all the time. And that was rough. It was, I mean, Jason Maraz's real heyday was 2009, but we were still living in the shadow of Jason Maras. I'm sorry.

And also, you brought up earlier how much you hated moves like Jagger, and I know that for a second brought up the lazy song, but I think I hate that song the most from this time. The one I sang earlier, the day I don't feel like doing anything. I just gonna lay in my bed. That's why I thought I hated Bruno Mars because I hated that song so much that I thought I hated Bruno Mars. Yeah. I just hate that song.

That's fair. I thought I hated Bruno Mars until Uptown Funk came on at a wedding. And I was like, it's a wedding. I get it. This is wedding dance floor music. Period. That is where, and it can be appreciated as such.

Yeah, but now he's got Silk Sonic. Sonic's great. Killing it. When he did the Super Bowl was when I was like, okay, I have to hand it to you. You are fantastic. Yeah.

You are given it. There's also gossip girls. I was going to say, this is a real gossip girls. We were in Gossip Girl era and Jersey Shore era, right? Yes. The snooky poof was really big.

And I remember trying to do the poof without getting the bump it and that was really difficult to do. Even though everyone was like, you just need bobby pins, you don't need a bump it. And I was like, how do it without the bump it?

Yep. And you were like, I don't want to. Get out of my bad day. I just got a drink until I piss myself. This is also... Just rolling around at bed with a bottle of warm rosé. No, it was always gin, Holden.

It was always gin. At this time, it was always gin. Talk about annoying things in 2011. Remember when planking was huge? Oh, yeah. This is, yeah, file this on the pile of... holding fucking whining about internet trends. What does the fox say?

Mim-me-d-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ha-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ha. It's so funny. Someone laying on their face in stupid places. It's hilarious. I was just like, I don't know what comedy is anymore. I don't get this. What happened to Monty Python? What happened?

No, now would just kids lay on their heads, on their faces in public places. Yeah, on different things, Holden. Yeah, they would take it. They would go everywhere and they would play. Did you, I never, I can honestly say outside of exercise, I have never done a plank in this capacity. Yeah. Have you?

No. It was so darn. I hate trends like that. I've also, by the way, yeah, been like outspoken lately in general about trends. Because what was the, oh, but the broccoli hair. So yeah, I clearly I'm like a, I'm trying to get over it. I think it's my grunge upbringing. You're not supposed to think, like, enjoy things.

that everyone's doing. That's lame. And I think maybe there's a lot of preoccupation with that. But also, man, I hated internet trends like the planking thing for sure.

I feel like 2011, I'm trying to figure, I just went into a big worm time of like when we started using the word meme as we do now. Yeah, yeah. I'm looking that up too. Like 2011 was,

do you remember when they, you know, killed Osama bin Laden and they had the picture of, Obama and his whole like team in the situation room, you know? Yeah. And there was just like a lot of funny, you know, them in there with, you know,

fucking Bob Ross, them in there with Mickey Mouse and Big Bird. And, you know, just like I feel like that was a, that picture of them in the situation room, Grimmis, you know, was a real early meme culture thing. And I don't remember if we called the memes back then, though. No, I don't think we did. I don't think we did either. I remember in 2016, there was a Facebook group called Bernie Sanders' dank memes. And at that time, in 2016, I thought it was funny. So I feel like memes must have kind of originated later. Here's a big internet one that you'll be like, oh, 2011. Rebecca Black's Friday. Yeah. That was 2011? That was released in 2011. And that was such, that's a great encapsulation of like what we loved on the internet. People. And again, this goes back to making all the social media mistakes. This was the era of like everybody making the big mistake online. And Friday was like the biggest example of that.

Like putting yourself out there in a really embarrassing way because you have the resources to do so. And you don't think millions of people are going to catch wind of it. So you think it's just going to like go out there and into oblivion or whatever. Be your first attempt at like a pop song. And instead it becomes this. massive worldwide. I mean, everyone's singing that. Everyone still knows that song if you start singing it. And yeah, that was perfect. We loved, it was funny. It's kind of like we, we, we took our aim a little bit away from celebrities and like pointed it at ourselves. The, you know, the thing we were

doing to Britney Spears in 2008, we were doing to each other in 2011 because of social media. Because everyone was true. Yeah, everyone was trying to figure out how to, how to cultivate their public image. That's totally true. And all, but also, To the point of how everyone treated Britney Spears, Rebecca Black has totally spoken extensively about how fucked she got. You know, she was like, I was a kid. And everyone is just like, you fucking idiot. And she's like, I was a child.

Yes. That's such a good point. Yeah. Yeah, totally. And we were like, oh, you're not real. You're not a real person. Right. Like we did the whole thing just to each other.

because yeah, I don't even know, when did like, you know, when Time Magazine's person of the year was you. I don't remember when that was, but it was definitely a foreboding kind of thing of like, yeah, and you know how we treat like celebrities having mental, full mental breakdowns? Now we're going to do it to you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, man, what a, what a year there was like, I mean, it's, it's interesting that it was. was interpersonally a year that all three of us associate with like a lot of very positive

things because not many years are like that for all three of us. Yes. No. It was like kind of a fun. Well, I think anytime a big transition year, it's so funny because you're so scared of being, like having your structure ripped out from under you. You know, in my case, like not having this girlfriend in my life, you know, that that was my first like long relationship. So, I think I really got embedded into like, this is my reality. This person's always in my life. And then it gets immediately ripped away from you. You know, because I even remember that was, it really hit me that time of like,

wow, this person's like, your best friend. Or like, but this person is like literally the person you see the most every single day all throughout, you know, week and week out. And then because you broke up, now you're like, you cannot, you literally cannot be around each other. Like, you can't. I mean, you can't, you can act like it's fine, but it won't be. it'll eventually implode on itself.

If you're like, yeah, we're still hanging out. We're still living together. We're still friends. What are you talking about? I'm not a person that moved across a country to get rid of an ex so that I never had to see him ever again. I don't know what you're talking about. That's the better thing to do, you know?

Like the dumb play is to be like, yeah, we can still, we'll still just be in the same friend group and then that always falls apart. So, yeah, I remember just going through that whole, like, and then it was the best thing that could have happened to me. like changed and grew and evolved and like got out of my shell and became more independent. Yes. And became like enough of a decent guy to end up with the woman that I would eventually marry, you know?

Oh, maybe can I end this episode with an anecdote about the person who in the summer of 2011 who I was having my fun summer fling with, we had a couple of subsequent, you know, meetups in the following months after the summer ended. But it was really, it was clear. It was over. it was a summer 11 thing and then I met Gideon in 2012. And shortly after meeting Gideon, the person from before messaged me and was like, hey, I'm going to be in town.

Do you want to meet up for a drink? And I did actually want to still be his friend because I did really enjoy hanging out with him and was like, since I knew it would never last, I was like, yeah, this could be something where we could be friends. And so I wrote back and I was like, yeah, let's meet up. But like, you should know I met someone who I'm extremely excited about. So if we meet up, it would just be like for drinks and for friends or whatever. I'm like, I'm very happily partnered now.

And he wrote back, I'm happy for your happiness, but you should know that it almost always ends badly. Jesus. Thanks so much. Oh, good. Love the encouragement. Really appreciate the support here. I just want to give a little shout out as we're getting out of here to probably my favorite

movie theater experience of that year. Your next was an incredible. of surprisingly great horror movie. Now, I was slightly seconded by a Cabin in the Woods, which again, one of the most surprisingly fun movie theater experiences. I believe both were 2011. And so if you haven't seen Your Next or Cabin in the Woods, do yourself a favor and watch those movies

because they are two absolute gems from 2011. It's so good. They play that song a lot in it, and it's really good. Yes, and Murder Fis played it a lot during our transitions and stuff for shows. Also, this was the year of Drive as well. So there were other, like, so like the blockbusters were all kind of like, I mean, of course, there's like Thor and stuff like that this year. But I, for me, the blockbusters weren't for me, but all of the other movies were for me.

Horror was pretty cool this year. Like little indie darlings were cool this year, which was a lot of fun to, uh, to enjoy. If the drive soundtrack put that on and that will immediately emotionally bring me back to 2011 for sure. Totally. Totally. All right. That's our 2011 rewind.

We hope you enjoyed a positive one for once. Yeah. How nice is that? I love that. I'm not crying about my weight on a baseball card. I think this was a great year. So we hope you enjoyed it too. Thanks so much for joining us.

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