Page 7 - Riverdale Roundup Ch. 106: When Does It End?

Episode Date: April 29, 2022

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Throwing out their up top. Great episode. Great episode. They called it angels in America, though? He called it angels in America. Poor taste. I don't know. But whatever.

I have no notes other than that. Yes, not the Tony Kushner play, which please, though, bring in elements of that. I'd be absolutely fine with it, but there was no room for that in this episode of Time Traveling Riverdale. We love a gimmick-based episode. We love a time travel. We love a past and characters playing their past selves slash their past ancestors slash not even, but they just are people who look like them from the past. And their names start with the same letter.

We love it. This episode had everything. And not only do we love a gimmick, we love a slightly woke Riverdale. And if you think you've seen slightly woke Riverdale before, just wait until Tabitha tries to stop the assassination of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. It is just what you think Riverdale would do with time travel, which is try to save pops and also try to prevent the assassination of Dr. King. I honestly halfway through it was like, what show are we watching right now? Because it's just, it was so out of, not even out of character of Riverdale, but it was so outside of the time traveling, kind of based in reality in some way. but in this reality that they have carved out, God exists.

Right. Which is, I thought that was very weird. Like, because we'll get into it, but it's like because angels exist and Riverdale. But I weirdly, and maybe it's just the heathed in me. I was like, oh, okay. So God, he exists in this. And I didn't like it. Yeah.

I mean, not only does God exist. Nothing about God existing to people. I'm just more upset about, like, why is this weird thing shoved into Riverdale when, like, that's not this show? Yeah, no, it's definitely, it's definitely weird to have it be like, suddenly we're talking about, like, religious imagery. But also, don't get me wrong, I loved everything about this episode. I did. I absolutely loved it. And I'm sorry to jump forward to the end, but I do, like, what, you know, so, so I want to try to get this point out with that, but we also have to talk about the plot and everything.

But basically, in a very, in a very, you know, so. Riverdale way, where they end this episode is kind of like America's legacy of racism is just because of like a single demon. Yeah, single white demon. No, it's like, no, there's a lot of evil

people. It's a bit of a cop-out to be like, oh, the reason, like, because the whole episode, the three different time traveling stories are all about different times of like racism and segregation in Riverdale's past. It's a very interesting

framework for a show that is again quite white. But like, okay, sure. At least it wasn't Betty going through it. At least it was Betty. Yes. And they did a good, they did it, I think, I mean, you know, from my perspective, they overall did a fine job, but then it, it's so interesting.

Like the whole episode, you're like, why are we doing this? Okay, like, if we're, interesting that we're going to say, okay, if we're going to talk about the history of Riverdale, that is going to be linked with like all these different, you know, of course, anytime you're talking about recent history. You're going to be talking about racism and segregation. Oh, yeah. Whatever.

In small town America, I mean, where it is, you know, things like this can be more easily gotten away with. Totally. But then, again, it just, the way that the takeaway for Riverdale is just like, it was because of one bad guy who's also like the devil slash the demon. And I just feel like it's a, they worked so hard to like show what a part of any legacy of. And, you know, of any town in history, racism is, but then they just gave it to the devil at the end, which is just a such a deeply Riverdale thing to do. Be like, it's about a demon.

Yeah, demon. He's a demon. He's a demon. Personal Pickens is a demon. We finally have it. The face that he made, it is the same face when you realize, oh, he's a demon.

It is the same face from Rivervale as well. So I keep saying that he's a demon, because I don't want to think that, like, is it I was like hoping maybe he's one of the four horses of the apocalypse because now we know that this is about the apocalypse and that I'm assuming there's going to be a fight between angels and fallen angels in Riverdale.

So this was winked at episodes ago with the showing of an angel inside Raphael showed up. We didn't even make mention of it. even think. Yeah, I was going to say, I was like, I vaguely remember Raphael, but if you told me that happened, like, a season ago or two episodes ago, I wouldn't know. I have no idea when it happened. I know that, because I remember him saying, like, a war is coming. And I think it's, like, between this and reading a court of misin fury, I keep getting them confused, because there's also a war coming in that. I'm like, no, but this is a different war. This is a war of angels.

Not a war of fairies. No, not the land of the fay. Court of Missing Fuery, you're going to stay over there. is a different war that's coming. And I guess Percival Pickens is the harbinger, of the apocalypse. Why is it starting in Riverdale? Like, I guess my big question is why. I don't understand it. I have another question after why,

which is, what are we talking about? Like, are we talking about the characters in Riverdale and the present day? And not only the present day, but like the 250 years ago passed of like Abigail and all of that and Percival's ancestor and all that. I thought that's what we were talking about. And then in this episode, it turns out we're talking about angels and demons, which I did not realize until this episode. Yeah. And so it's going to be a big fight to see who's going to win.

But in the meantime, now that we know that Cheryl has her first. pyrogynesis. And she was in Thorne Hill when Tabitha goes, because Tabitha finds out, all right, Tabitha finds out at the beginning of this episode that, okay, something's not right here. Wait, it took her months to find out that her boyfriend can't hear and that he actually is just listening to her thoughts, which would mean that Tabitha literally says every single sentence inside of her head before she speaks it aloud. this episode.

This is my favorite part of Jughead's superpower that they've just never dealt with, which is that somehow he has never made this mistake before of reading someone's thoughts and assuming they said it out loud because she thinks something and she doesn't say it. And then he's like answers what she said. And she's like, how did you know? And I'm like, really, you've been doing this for weeks, Jughead?

And this is the first time this happened. He's good at it, MJ. He didn't eat a leader. learning curve. It's, I was just doing, I had to write a paper for school about bilingualism and I had interview a bilingual person and talk about like his second language acquisition. And he was saying that when he was first learning English, he would always say the sentence in his head fully and then speak it. And as, you know, before, because he wasn't, he couldn't quite like think and talk in the second language yet. So he would always practice it in his head first. And I thought of Jughead.

I was like, well, that would be perfect for Jughead because that's basically how Riverdale thinks all people. interview for grad school. This reminds me of Jughead Jones. A little friend of mine I got in the TV box. Oh, Jughead Jones. Like we are all walking around thinking exactly what we are about to say. And only now does he slip up? Also, I didn't even know they were still dating.

So I guess that is still happening. You know, the sexiness is gone. But don't worry. They replaced it with a lot of chaotic plot. And I am okay with that for now. So what ends up happening is that Jugged's like, look, Tabitha, all right. And explains to her about the blast, explains that they have superpowers now. Only some of them do.

So she goes, she's like, but wait, Percival Pickens is evil. And he needs to be stopped. And it's like, yeah, that's kind of what, like, everybody's been trying to do for the last four episodes. but no one had clued in Tabitha, even though she's also been dealing with his ass, because she finds out, which she does even realize it beforehand, because he tries to double speak at her,

Percival Pickens does, and tries to control her, but she could not be controlled. Yes. And why is that? Turns out, inside, lurking inside of her, was the power of,

hmm, chrono, what is it? I don't know why they can't just say super power, It's like normal people. It's superpowers. I forget what it's called. Krono time travel. I don't remember. Chrono Kinesis.

It's, yeah, I think it is, or Kono Kinesis. It is not time traveling because she did, um, she did correct people multiple times about it's not time travel per se. Um, it is her new superpower, which is of time travel. Because what does Percival Pickens want to do? He wants to raise Pops diner and he wants to put. and he wants to put in a railway, didn't you know? Oh, is it turning the century all on all again?

Very much the premise of the Simpsons Monorrell episode. Yes, it's just like the Montereil episode. They want to get rid of Pop Steiner. So, Dabatha doesn't know what to do. So Percival Pickens tries to do his double speak, tries to get her to sell him the land. And she says, nay, I will not. And so what is actually a very smart decision? She and Jugged decide, well, we're going to get Pops Diner, what is it called?

Like, detonated? I can't think of it. Raised? No, given the status of a national monument or something like that. They want to make it a historical landmark. Landmark. God, damn it. It's a historical landmark.

Designated, is that, did we say that word yet? Designated. Designated as a word I was thinking of. Designated as a historical landmark. Sorry, the dayquil is just putting a bit of a fog on my brain right now. So they wanted to designate Pops, a historical landmark. And so they're there, trying to do it. And what does Percival Pickens do to try to get rid of Tabitha, which he's so, if you're a demon and you live through the ages,

Don't you think you would come up with something better than just sending a goony out to come and shoot Tabitha in the diner that she owns? Yeah. I mean, right, who was that guy? Like, and why did, like, was he even anybody? Was he just like a manifest, he was a goon, they say, like, but like, literally who was he? Where did he come from? Why did he exist in all the different time realms? Like, a lot of unanswered questions.

A lot of unanswered questions. But what does that shock? due to Tabitha. She jumps back in time to 1944, where this is some like real life, very upsetting criminal behavior, I guess not criminal then, that Percival Pickens is the sheriff of the town and he's trying to turn Riverdale into a sundown town. And

I was very surprised at where Riverdale took this, not unhappily surprised. Just surprised. Same. I was like, oh, okay, are we going to educate the youth or whoever watches this show about Sundown Towns, Millennials, Old Millennials, literally who watches the show besides us? I'm not sure.

But whoever, you know, that we might not, whoever's watching it might not know the history of Sundown towns. And we're going to go there and we're going to like have a whole scene in the town hall where they explain what a Sound Downtown was. This is real. This is a real thing that is truly a truly. horrific that I like that Riverdale did go back at time to things that were truly just disgusting. Like I can't even imagine what, like all I can think about when Tabith's brain of like, can you imagine

actually being there and trying to fight to keep Riverdale from becoming a sundown town. For those of you that do not know, sundown town essentially enacts a law that says black people and citizens of the town must be outside of the town limits by sundown or else they are treated as trespassers and can be killed and done whatever you want to them. Just basically a legal excuse for lynching. And, yeah. Right. It was fascinating to watch.

I mean, it was well done, I think, because, you know, if you care about these characters to the extent to what you do, right. Like you said, you can then have a different, you're like, you know, you care about these characters. And now suddenly instead of like trying to figure out how to save pops, they're trying to figure out how to stop the town from becoming a sundown town. And it's like, it didn't seem like, insubes. Surprisingly, Riverdale was not like totally haphazard and callous about the historical events that are referenced in this episode. Oh. It's sad for perhaps the effort to kill Dr. King. But even that, I mean, I don't know.

I would love to hear, you know, some different perspectives on this because I was like, for Riverdale, like if we're grading on a curve, they are doing fantastic. Like, is this the episode I would show? you know, a classroom of students to teach them about civil rights history of the second half of the 20th century? No. But do I think that Riverdale is doing a good job portraying racism in the 1940s, racism from the cops in the 1960s, you know, and then again, in the late 90s, interesting choice. I thought that they did do a good job. I also thought that they did, at least it seemed, they were trying. They were trying.

They were at least trying. But at the end of the day, if you were in. a sundown town, you couldn't rely on the use of an angel to get yourself out of it. Unfortunately, the people in this instance probably would have just been killed, which is all I kept thinking about. Because when she gets taken back to 1944 and she goes to try and fight the sundown town laws, who shows up at the diner looking for shelter? And it was back in the day, thangs with a mustache so you know it's not present day.

and T-Tee with baby Annie, Annie, not baby Anthony. Why do they just slightly change people's names? Are these past versions of the same people? No. Don't know. Are they their ancestors? No. They're just people who look like them who have names that start with the same letter.

It's just such a weird. I'm always like, what aspect of time travel is this? Is this a past version of the same person? Because we've had that in Riverdale. Oh, yeah. Is this an ancestor of an existing character? Because we've had that in Riverdale. Yes, we certainly.

This appeared to just be two random-ass people who looked exactly like Fangs and Tony and had a baby with a different name and a different gender. Yes. And they were there hiding out. Now, at this point, the angel Raphael, in each time jump, dawns a different character of one of her friends to make her feel comfortable because, like Jughead Angel said, if you saw what I really looked like, you'd go angel mad. And what does he do to get them out of the,

genuinely harrowing experience to watch of these people hiding in the diner knowing that the sheriff and also Kevin, who is now just as evil as Bruceville Pickens throughout the century, they are saying we're going to go get a warrant from Centerville close by because it hadn't become a sun downtown yet. And so how, like, so they were going to come in and drag their bodies out and essentially kill them or kill them somewhere in the forest. And so Jughead ends up saving them because it's Christmas Eve. Yeah, why is it Christmas Eve also? I don't know.

Like, we're not, we don't need a Christmas episode right now. No, we don't need a Christmas episode right now. But how Tabitha gets the angel of Jughead to show his real self to make Percival Pickens go angel mad. She goes, but it's Christmas. And it goes, yeah, it's. Christmas, let me go make them go angel mad. And it pans out outside.

And they're bleeding from their eyes and just being like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Which, great. I wish that we could have seen the incarnation of what Riverdale was going to, like, if they were going to do biblically accurate angels, have you seen the pictures of the biblically accurate angels? They just got like big fire wings and stuff, right? They're terrifying.

It's very, very scary. Googling it now. Yes, no, now. So I'm assuming that this is what, like, big wings, I'm assuming that this is what they would see that, like, one big eye wrapped up in a straps of eyes. Look up the biblical angels of what angels are supposed to look like. They're very, very scary. And apparently it makes you go mad. And I guess it's a wonderful life. I guess it's a wonderful life reference, too, to be like, it's Christmas Eve, you're an angel. Isn't this the time? But then there was, again, there wasn't any other follow up on that. That was just like. Like, we're just going to put in the Christmas in this plot to have like a just a little reference to Clarence for anybody who appreciates it. I guess, yeah. And you know what? I mean, I'm surprised that I guess the angel's name is not Clarence in that if you're going to be doing that.

But also, I don't know if they made out any other Angels in America references, which I feel that I would have noticed. Yeah, I mean, as we talk about all the time, Riverdale is constantly making references. that often slip by me, less often slip by you and seem to never slip by Jeff. Yeah. So at least like that, well, that's one of his blind spots as plays. So if it was historical, that was more, he was really fired up during the Dr. King section of this, which is what ends up. Because Percival Bickens, with his angel madness, gets sent to the loony bin, and then he gets

out of the loonie bin and tries to shoot Tabitha, and then it's time jump. Yeah. Yeah. he comes back. Every time Tabith gets shot, she jumps in time. And so she jumps from 1944 to 1968. She's working at Pops and she hears on the radio the date, April something, I can't remember, in 1968. And she is hearing Dr. King giving a speech on the radio. And so she says, April, whatever, that means tomorrow is the day that Dr. King is going to be assassinated. I've got to go. And she spends a full like five minutes. of this episode unrelated to any other plot points, just being like, I've got to go stop the assassination

of Martin Luther King Jr. Until finally, Angel T.T., Angel Raphael, now in the form, Tony comes in as like, sorry, but some events are just so powerful that they're stuck in time. I was really afraid they were going to, she was going to say, like, meant to be. Thank God she didn't say that. But she was just like, this is just an event that's too powerful

that is frozen in time and you can't change it. Sorry. And then she's like, oh, okay. All right, I guess I'll do something else. So what, honestly, I thought that this part of it was a fever dream because it was not feeling good last night as I was watching this. That she, so she hears over the radio that Dr. King has been assassinated. So she, who does she call on the phone? She, before she goes to the bus ticket? Yeah, because didn't she, like, threaten someone? Oh, well, she calls J. Edgar Hoover.

That's right. But that's different. After she realizes she can't save Dr. That's, and you know what, that's, if you can't save Dr. King from being assassinated, at least you can use Jay Edgar Hoover to fire Percival Pickens from the FBI, which, again, aim higher.

If you're like, I'm a time traveler and I know what awaits you, J. Edgar Hoover, you know what? Why don't you get fucking Percival fired and also ask Jay Edgar Hoover to step down in that moment, but she doesn't do that. No, she doesn't do that. And she does blackmail him because, of course, this is the year that the FBI had been started in Riverdale. And she also remembered that. And of course, who was the FBI? It's Percival Pickens and Kevin.

And they are going to come in and they're going to, oh, because they're starting, they have a, they're more. inside of the diner after the assassination. That's what it is. And so the FBI comes, because, you know, it's an FBI's job, to come and say, this is a protest. We are going to shut this down and Tabithus, like, we're peacefully mourning. And we are, this is not a protest. We are just gathered here because Pops is a safe haven. And Pops has been there throughout Riverdale's history.

Yes. And if it happened in Riverdale, it happened at Pops. And yeah, there was, I, I, it's interesting that Kevin has been made to be like law enforcement because of his dad. And so poor Kevin has to just be like, you know, in this particular episode, obviously the cops slash law enforcement have just never been on the right side of civil rights. And so poor Kevin just has to be a fucking white supremacist in every iteration of time travel. And Percival Pickens, I guess, just is, I mean, he's a demon, but he's just like a white, he's like a demon. driven by white supremacy. And, and, and they do like a, like a, you know, a real cop protest thing where they're like,

we are going to, you know, arrest you. And, you know, for gathering here. And there is like a moment where Riverdale, you know, there were, there was some people who were inside the diner that were like, well, let's go like fuck shit up. And Tabitha was like, let's not stoop to that level. And I was like, let's not do that. River. Now it's not in certain like respectability politics about protesting the death of Dr. King. Right.

So I was a little, this section was like oscillating between being just like hilarious because like are we really trying to stop the assassination of Dr. King? And also like, she didn't even try that hard. She got on a bus to stop the assassination. And then the bus breaks down. She's like, well, guess I can't. Like it was good. It was a bigger. She gave up. Quite easily. She was like, oh, there's no other buses? All right. Never mind. And then later, and of course, it all has real, it all, you know, has real, like, would you kill Hitler vibes? And then it turns out that at the end, she says, in college, my favorite thing to debate in philosophy was would you kill Hitler? And I was like, it is news to me that that is what you debate in a college philosophy class. Especially if you were getting, because didn't she say she doubled majored in fencing and debate?

And that's what you're debating if you'd kill Hitler. Something tells me that they deviate from that after middle school. It's like, right. It's like the idea that in college you're like having formal debates about whether you should kill baby Hitler is so, so funny. It's so funny. It is a little weird that the demon is put into a white supremacist's box. Can I say that? Yeah.

Like you'd think he'd be overall like so much more evil. Like that's what I expected. And that made me just like, well, I mean, that is an ultimate evil. I'm not saying it's not fucking evil and shit. It is strange. It is strange to just be like, he's a demon, but he only cares about white supremacy. Yes, that's what I mean. I'm just like, well, I mean. And that's kind of what I meant to be saying before about the problem with this episode is that it just like equates white supremacy with like evil.

Like, and not even evil like, of course it's evil. But evil and like the biblical kind of inexplicable like, oh, it's just evil. and it's like, why is Percival Pickens just, is this whole time that he's been harassing homeless people and he's been here for this whole season? He's just like a white supremacist demon who just wants to shut down pops because he has a white supremacist bone to pick with like pops being a center of the town throughout its racist history. And not to be like this, but I feel like if he was that, like if he is that through eternity, wouldn't he have used like sugar rather than spice? to try and court the white people that have superpowers to try to get them on his side rather than just mind control, because I feel like he would treat them differently if that is all his demonship cared about. Right. Like, what is his motivation? Like, white, being a demon and a white supremacist is like, okay, but, like, the actual motivations behind white supremacy are, like, inextricably linked with, like, a lot of other power structures, like, capitalism and, you know, patriarchy and, like, land ownership and all these things. So it's like,

there, it's like, if you have like a white supremacist, they're not just motivated by pure random evil. They're, they're motivated by like, you know, there's all, again, there's all sorts of like structural factors motivating them. And I think that it's strange to be like, what is Percival Pickens motivation? Oh, he's a white supremacist and he's a demon. Why? Why? is he a white supremacist? I don't know, because that's evil. Like, it's just a strange, there's,

you're in this, like, circle where you're just like, what is, okay, I guess we're just gonna make white supremacy and the devil the same thing, okay? Which, I mean, you are right, it is evil.

I just, I feel like this is a much broader evil. Right. He would, wouldn't he hate equally? Right. But that's not what, like,

that's not what the devil. That's why I, he can't be the devil. He has to just be, demon because that is not what I but I also don't know what part of the book of revelations

they're going to do I need to like read bullet points on the book we need to reference here we need somebody familiar with the book of revelations I don't know anything about it Jeff was trying to tell me about a last night I was like wow oh just sick laying next name on the couch is like

I'm watching it I know there's a lot of like fire and really fucked up graphic depictions of things. But again, like, why? Why? I thought that Percival Pickens' motivation was some like unfinished beef with Abigail Blossom from the 1700s. Why does he want to start a railroad? Why does he want to do any of this? Like, why is he here?

It's just so Riverdale to be like, we never even found out why. why fucking Chad Michael Borey wanted to harvest organs. He just, he just did, you know? He just did. And this is just like, he just wants to do this. Why is he so powerful? It's because he's a demon. Why, what does he want?

I guess he wants white supremacy. Throughout history, his single mission is to be a white supremacist throughout history. Like, I just, I just don't get it. I just don't get it. Well, you don't even have to get it because there's a bomb inside of the diner. And then she's going to time jump again. She's time jumped to 1999. Good old 1999.

You know where, um, where the neo-Nazis really shine. Because this is our Nazi part of the Riverdale episode that I didn't know was going to happen. And, um, so it's 1999 and Tabitha is helping Pop Tate scrub the white superiors. primacy's graffiti that is on the side of Pops, which is an 88, which is, you know, for the eighth letter of the alphabet, which is Heil Hitler, and I, which I did not know. I learned that last night. And I guess it looked like the sides of a swastika that were like pulled or maybe it was like the version of SS. I didn't pause it to look at it. But you know 1999. Maybe it was just crazy because as you can see, it must have been the end of the year because she had a Y2K paper. I thought that we were going to go in the direction of like a Y2K apocalypse. Y2K, yes. But instead it was more right, like a kind of 90s American history, X style.

I mean, don't get me wrong. Like there was, you know, my town, hometown had an active clan presence in the early 90s. So it certainly wasn't like it was gone. Oh, no, my hometown as well. Like, no, it was unfortunately. Oh, and it's still fucking there. Right, right. But I'm starting to think like, is this?

obviously this was spun by you know all a lot of us thinking that the pandemic and everything was kind of the end of the world but I wonder if it was different parts of like that culture thought that it was the end of the world because of what was happening and that is why she went back to 1944 why she went back to 1968 1999 where we all did cut like I was the age we've talked about this on

our rewind episodes that I was nervous about Y2K because I didn't understand what it meant. Right. These were all, the post-war period of the 40s, 1968 and 1999 in its own way, were all times that people thought, like, this is the end of history, something else. So, you know, how do we, this is a,

you know, a break from how things have always been. Where do we go from here? Yeah. So could that be Percival Pickens's, but they, does you find vulnerable? Like, I just don't, I'm, I feel like I need somebody to sit down with me with, like, a big piece of chart paper and a marker and, like, diagram this, not only this.

Like the meme, like the Charlie Day meme. Yes, yes. Like, let me figure this out. Yes. I feel exactly the same way, but don't worry, on that map, you're going to have to put the Spear of Destiny and the Holy Grail, which is in this part of the Riverdale episode. I was just, I, you know, Riverdale,

they never cease to amaze me with where they're going to go. I didn't know that this show would ever get this biblical. And I kind of like the liberty with which they are taking this. Yeah, again, it wasn't interesting. So remind me what happens, Because in this part, I was just focusing on, like, I honestly lost track of things because I was trying to focus on how they were making everybody look like it was the 90s. And that was mostly what I was thinking about. So what is the...

So they catch the kid that was doing the graffiti. Yes. And he had this baseball card that he was like, this is the most, it's the most rare baseball card. And they're like, what did you get this from? He's like, all I had to give was my... And he was about to say soul. And of course he got it from the oddity shot. which was called curious objects.

Oh, it's a lot like needful things, isn't it? It certainly is, so he got it from there. And who owns the shop? It's Percival Pickens, the demon. Not Percival Pickens, the man, because when Tabitha goes over there to try and snoop around a bit, she's taking pictures with a Polaroid, by the way. that of course very 1999 of her.

She's taking pictures with a Polaroid because she sees the spear of destiny, which is the spear that killed, and did the final like chest blow of Jesus Christ himself for herself. And also sees the Holy Grail because in this section, she was looking for her tether.

Remember the last episode? where Archie's daddy was his tether back to reality. And so through all of this, she was lightly looking for what was her tether. And there was another word for it, but it was like her talisman. Talisman. She was looking for her talisman. And so she looks over there and who attacks her, not Percival Pickens, but the demon of Percival Pickens, who he was wearing a, I don't know what kind of coat that was,

but he seemed to have put on one of the, I think, maybe Civil War outfits? I should ask, Jeff. I have no idea. He was in a soldier's outfit. And so that's what we find out that Tabitha was a double major in fencing and debate. What is she expect to do with her life? Can you major in debate? What do you expect to do with your life?

I don't think you can major in either of those. Those are both extracurricular activities. It's why 18-year-olds shouldn't go to college. It's why you should be. Go figure your stuff. out for a bit and then come back around to it, but I digress because she

is fighting with this demon and then she goes to kill him and he disappears. Right. Yeah. And then we see the face of not Pizzou, which I thought it was, which is like a Captain Howdy from Exorcist. We see the real demon

that lives inside of Percival. And so she steals the Holy Grail because she thinks the Holy Grail is her talisman. And what does she do? She goes back to Pop's Diner and she goes, ah, it's ready for me to go home. I finally did my unfinished business in 1999. Uh-huh.

I'm not going to think about the fact that wouldn't Tabitha, didn't Tabitha, like, wasn't she in Riverdale when she was young and then moved away? I don't remember because I can't bring myself to care. You don't want to go down that road. I don't want to go down that road. So what does she do? The Holy Grail, she puts a milkshake inside of it and says, ah, time to go home. And cheers is her angel in this, which I think Raphael is Betty in this.

And she says, to the future. And so she goes back to, well, she goes to the future. But then at some point, she goes back to the present. And she tells everyone about how she is a time. traveler now. Yes. And she saw the future and the sky was full of ash, which honestly I thought was just going to be about climate change. Turns out it's about the apocalypse. It's the apocalypse. And, you know, my problem is that I have such, so little knowledge of the Bible that I don't even understand when biblical references are being made. So I think the whole Holy Grail thing might have been

a little bit lost on me in this section. But yeah, she basically realizes that Pops is her talisman. It is her god-given. Who knew we needed to be brushing up on our Bible studies before watching an episode of Riverdale? I didn't know. Who could have known that this sexy high school show would take us deep into the bowels of revelations? Yeah. And for a land war between angels and demons, which she basically forecasts is coming. And now

she has superpowers. Now everybody basically has superpowers. except Veronica. Sorry, Veronica. Yeah, what's, what's like, just nobody cares about Veronica anymore? Like, oh, she's got her casino. She's, she's an undated as it is. Yeah, she was barely in this episode at all, aside to, from, to encourage Tabitha to just not fight for pops. Everybody in this episode was a total dick, and they were like, eh, pops, who needs it?

Yeah, that's the only place we ever go. It seems to be the only business in Riverdale, but get it up, Tabitha. And then she does her time traveling and she comes back, she tells everybody and everyone's like, all right, what can we do to support you? Yeah, because she finally tells Jughead that like, okay, I can time travel. She stops the guy with the gun and they tie him up and they put him in the freezer. Yes. And so then she tells Jughead that she could time travel, that Percival is like the personification

of evil. And then Archie, Betty, and Cheryl show up. And Archie says that Percival is trying to get Governor Dooley on board for the train. Yes, because the landmark, the designation of historical landmarks goes through the state. So they thought that they could circumvent the crooked town council, but they can't because now Percival is going to the state as well. Yes, he's going to the state. And that's why they can't make Pops a national landmark. So, because he's already infiltrating in the system and going to make it stop.

And then Tabitha realizes, oh my God, the Holy Grail wasn't my talisman. Pops was my talisman the whole time. Because he is apparently, okay, so I guess that makes sense. I forgot that Tabith said that he's going after Pops so much because that's where the final battle is going to be fought. I am so curious as to see what is going to happen with him. Where do you go from here, honestly? Now that you have done time travel, you have introduced a demon. Like, I was like, okay, admittedly, they did pick up some, like, we kept last episode, we were screaming, where is this going?

Where is this going? We need the stakes to be higher. We didn't understand why Percival was here or what his deal was. Do I have clarity on that now after this episode? I guess, I mean, the stakes are higher in a way, but are they because don't stakes need to be earned? Like to just say, he is a devil. That's why the stakes are high. I guess, like, I'm now quickly trying to teach myself about fallen angels because I was like, is he a fallen angel?

And I'd ask Jeff. And he's like, I think that fallen angels, while they lust for power, they also encourage sin. And so wouldn't, so that he, so he's probably not a fallen angel. Wait, was, what were we, what else do we talk about where we've been talking about fallen angels? I don't know, not with me. Have we been talking about fallen angels? Haven't, oh my God, this is going to destroy me.

Isn't, I thought there was, is there not something? I mean, I talk with somebody in my life about a show that has a fallen, oh. Is this not coming back to you, fallen angel? No, it's not. You don't feel like we've had this conversation about fallen angels before? No, I don't think I've been talking about fallen angels, but maybe I have been. Again, I've been on DayQuil for a couple of days. So maybe I just called you.

It was like, MJ, the fallen angel. They found me. Someone come and get me. I think it's a baseball team. Oh, my God. This is going to haunt me. I feel like in the last year, I remember having a series of, I thought, recorded ongoing conversations about fallen angels. It's great, man.

I think it's just in your fucking brain, dude. I know that's real, but I'm never, if it's not you, I have no idea who it is. I'm never going to be able to find out. Maybe it was, it could also, it could have been me. It could have been me. Riverdale has never had a fallen angel plot line before? No. Well, there was the devil episode with the devil, but that wasn't Percival Pickens.

That was another tall, skinny white man in the Rivervale episode. So maybe we talked about it then. Oh my God. I got my work cut out for me. I got to figure out in what context. Have I been talking about fallen angels? But again, maybe it's just in your dreams. Riverdale.

Maybe there's a fallen angel that's trying to take over your brain right now and try to put a demon inside of you. I cannot believe this. Riverdale, you have destroyed my mind for the last time. I doubt it. Thank you guys for joining us. The apocalypse is going to come. The apocalypse is coming.

I did you know what we didn't expect organ harvesting and I certainly didn't expect the apocalypse to happen in this episode. But I am very excited to watch Cheryl go after Percival Pickens because now Cheryl is on board. I did think it was very weird that Cheryl kept her house so cold for her pyrokinetic tendencies. I guess so that she would be controlled. Yeah, I guess you want to keep your temperature low, right? Yeah, I guess. Oh, yeah, so that she just has to keep it low so that she just has to keep it low so that she, But doesn't she need to work on it?

That's a story for a different thing. I'm sure we're going to have more of her fire powers starting next episode, I guess. Wow. Yeah. I can't wait to get back to Cheryl. Now that she's back to her normal, sassy self, I think it's great. Oh, yes. And, I mean, don't forget that doll is still trapped in her house.

And thank you guys so much for joining us on this, our Riverdale. Round up. Wait a second. Wait a second. That's on the end of the season, is it? Is it? I just looked up how many episodes are in season six. Oh, no. And it said, as it stands, the release date of the season six finale is April 24th. No. What? That wasn't. No.

Whoa. No, there's another one. There's another one coming out. When is it end? We don't know what it is. We never know where it is. That's the special hell of Riverdale is that you never know when it ends. It's like it's living in, it's living in a nothing. It's like we live in a bog. I don't know.

Like what does it mean? How many episodes are there in the season? Someone tell me. If you know, there was another episode. You can let us know, listener, because we don't know. If you can figure it out, please let us know. Well, but for now, that's Riverdale Roundup. Thank you guys so much for joining us.

and we will be back. Oh, we'll be back next week with one chapter 107. In the fog is what it's told. In the bog of our fucking brains, bro. Love you guys. Bye. Bye. This show is made possible by listeners like you.

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