Page 7 - Riverdale Roundup Ch. 92: Booby Booby Booby, We See the Dead Young Men

Episode Date: September 17, 2021

THE BEES.Support us on our Patreon page and get weekly bonus Patreon-exclusive content! Patreon.com/Page7PodcastIntro song by Green Dreams Subscribe to SiriusXM Podcasts+ to listen to new episodes of... Page 7 ad-free.Start a free trial now on Apple Podcasts or by visiting siriusxm.com/podcastsplus. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Transcript
Discussion (0)
Starting point is 00:00:16 The second, as I was just looking at this recap, remember the phone call between Eamosa and Reggie? All right, we got to talk about this bat shit episode. Oh, is it another bat shit episode of Riverdale? Yeah, welcome to the Riverdale Roundup. We're talking about band of brothers. Yes, we're going to get into RG's. war trauma again, and we're going to watch as the corpses that follow him around in his brain
Starting point is 00:00:59 become ghosts. His regular ghosts, and now they're still there, and they're still going to haunt his brain because he went through an army tribunal in about 24 hours. Yeah, he just made that happen. He made it happen. Absolutely no resistance. I love that they didn't even want to do a scene of it. Like, why show us?
Starting point is 00:01:19 Just do a phone call. Go and go. Skip it. just mention the Army Tribunal, make it happen quite easily, despite having a lot of set up for how hard it's going to be, and then win very easily,
Starting point is 00:01:30 despite the entire premise being like, you can never win. It doesn't make any sense. There's honestly, almost absolute no way that he would have won. And listening to, like,
Starting point is 00:01:41 sitting next to Jeff in this, it makes me think of any time I see a lawyer scene, I think about you and Gideon watching it. Whenever I watch a cop scene with my father and we learn about how that's not how the cops do it. And watching this, it was just very funny of how, like, little, the storyline of Archie made any sense, like, very proud of him for going and having many mediocre scenes with
Starting point is 00:02:08 people we don't know about people we don't know to get to a trial that we don't see to, by the end of the episode, he won. And he got the general dishonorably discharged. What a, what a, what a putude of a payoff for like, they were building this up to be like, Archie's going to be in the, in the middle of like a huge government conspiracy. Like, hell, yeah, go, honestly, make it the rest of the season. We have so many botlines, but that is one. Remember, isn't there an army base next to the swamp?
Starting point is 00:02:46 So what about that? Why isn't that roped into this? I mean, it is hard because very little makes sense in Riverdale. And honestly, I don't even think this plot line is the one that makes the least amount of sense. No, certainly not. But even within this episode, but it is an interesting choice to devote a lot of time to characters we don't know and don't care about. Eric, I'm talking to you. Yeah, I just.
Starting point is 00:03:18 And like, Uncle Daddy, you're never. going to be our daddy. Yeah. You know you're not going to be our daddy. You're not even really trying to be our daddy. No, you're just kind of always drinking in the living room. Do they even live there?
Starting point is 00:03:32 I was looking at the Riverdale Reddit. Forgot the fact that Jughead and Archie have been living together this entire time. And they have not had one scene together, I think, since Jughead moved in with Archie. Jughead still lives there? I guess. I thought he was living in the bunker.
Starting point is 00:03:48 I mean, we still don't know. Does it? He. have rabies. Where was he? That's what I don't know. We heard a story two weeks ago about where he was like four years ago during his blackout. And now we are here in the present, seven years in the future present.
Starting point is 00:04:07 And we are here now when he's like, yeah, sorry I was missing for a few weeks. We have not gotten a current explanation except for that he was, he showed up at the hospital with rabies. Wasn't that years ago? That's what I thought. I don't understand. I thought that was years ago. Lily Reinhardt said in the scene because, all right, now we're just, I feel like we're speaking and you guys, I think most of you guys don't even watch Riverdale.
Starting point is 00:04:30 Yeah, I'm sorry, we can't, this is not an episode where we can do it methodically. We have to embrace that we're going to be jumping all over the place. We don't have characters and plot lives that we can go through method. We just have to be like, it's like a dream. Like, and that Jughead was there. Where was he? I don't know. Chad was there.
Starting point is 00:04:46 So I think we have to embrace the chaos. And then the trenches were back. If you have four different leads of show, and all four of them have very different plot lines that nothing interacts, you are jumping from scene to scene of like, wait, what was happening in this? Right. Where are we in the cult religion? Oh, she's becoming a saint. Okay. All right.
Starting point is 00:05:11 But we're not even talking about Cheryl yet. We can't even get there yet. She's not even one of the four. This episode really dug deep into verse. I don't cares, plotline and Archie's PTSD from trench warfare brought up bingo, not the dog, the dead human again, because we had to watch him die again. I'm glad that they actually are, you know what, I like the idea of bringing in real life trauma of Archie. In fact, I think I like Archie's character the most now than I ever have. I think I am willing to agree with that.
Starting point is 00:05:48 With the exception of like the first season when this was like a normal show about high schoolers. Sure, sure. Yes. But now is like, it's like, all right, well, he's dealing. He's actually like, for the first time Riverdale's like, oh, he is talking to a therapist. Oh, he's trying to deal with his trauma. Good for him. Hell yeah.
Starting point is 00:06:06 Let's get into this. I mean, again, it's trench warfare. And it is very vague monologues about him like, and then I had to get up top. oh but we needed air backup and oh we were in the trenches it's like well okay it's very he's heroic efforts to not name their location or the type of where they are in and again i appreciate it i'm so glad that it's not don't tie yourself down don't give us like a like every war movie made since 2001 that was just like super orientalist and right and like racist like so glad that we're that this isn't like a explicitly like middle eastern war thrilled about it oh yeah weird that it's a
Starting point is 00:06:45 Weird that it's World War II, but fine with it. Would rather have it be World War II. A lot of fun if down the line we find out it's Mongolia and he was finding Genghis Khan. And it's like, whoa, wow. Okay. Who knows what happens in Archie's travels in his brain. So he's still dealing with that. And again, the corpses of young dead men have been following him around as he talks to the family members to get there okay.
Starting point is 00:07:15 for him to go after the general that was going to get some sort of metal. And he said, he can't get the medal. So within the episode, he takes down this metal-decorated war general by saying, he let us into battle, my men died. And he won. Very, very difficult to do. And you know what? Go for him?
Starting point is 00:07:37 It's a good for him. There was, again, no motivation as to why the general did this. Like, he wanted another star. Like, there was just no, again, you got to admire the lack of setup that they're putting. And they're just like, what if we just truly didn't invest in this plotline? Our biggest effort here is going to be these kind of, at first, it was like very striking to see the image of the dead soldier. But then they just hammered that home. So now I'm just like, dead soldiers.
Starting point is 00:08:05 You know, it's like, it really kind of loses its weight. It reminds me of like minute 17 when you go and like booby, booby, booby, booby, makes a kid laugh. and then you're like, booby, booby, booby. They're like, ah, ha, ha, ha, again. Booby, booby, booby. Yes. All right. Booby, booby, booby.
Starting point is 00:08:21 We see the dead young men, all right? Yes. And I almost wonder if it's tasteless. I think it's... In perhaps... Whoa. Riverdale, how dare you? Like the tragedy of, like, dead people from war for this...
Starting point is 00:08:36 No, his trauma. Absolutely. House of Cards Riverdale plot line. But again, I'm going to rank it up there, probably number one or two for this episode. Honestly, because Veronica again, again with this,
Starting point is 00:08:51 the thing is, is that as an actress, I enjoy Veronica, I think that she's fun, I like what she does, great. However, again, it's like, I'm going to go take down my ex-husband, not ex-husband,
Starting point is 00:09:07 and daddy all at the same time. I'm going to take their money away from their copter cab business, So the whole thing is that Chadwick hits her up. Remember Chadwick got her into like a big financial hole with his... Some investments. Investments? I get it.
Starting point is 00:09:23 I don't think it's specified. Investment. So she's been hoodwinking people with Reggie to get money for her gemstones. So at the beginning of this, the she-wolf of Wall Street steals Daddy's Palladium. Takes the Palladium. What are we going to do with all this Palladium? Smelt it.
Starting point is 00:09:43 down into Spanish de Blooms. So she smelts them down. Because the SEC, because Chadwick called the SEC on her. And so one thing I will love about Veronica is that she's never phased by anything. And so she gets this call and she's like, ah, the SEC wants to come and check my books, but my books aren't clean. I need money fast. I know what I'll do without even thinking.
Starting point is 00:10:07 She's just like, I know what I'll do. I'll steal daddy's palladium. And that will solve our problems. She's the she-wolf of Wall Street, MJ. Reggie's like, great, I know exactly how to get the pladium. I'll just call Herbosa, who I slept with a while ago. And Hermosa will tell me. Can I just say how ridiculous it is that he said, oh, yeah, essentially to Veronica.
Starting point is 00:10:35 So remember, he shed up Veronica in the past. And he said, hey, Veronica, actually I've also been sched up in your half sister. Arch enemy. Arch enemy. And there's been a lot of time in between. Fine. But if you had a person that you banged in the past that called you up for a favor and on the phone said, Hey, baby, how are you?
Starting point is 00:10:57 I think I'd throw up everywhere. Like, what the fuck? Never call me, baby. You have absolutely no hold over me and my feelings whatsoever. Never call me again. And I'd hang up. I think we were meant to believe that Hermosa is like still really holding a a candle for Reggie and he like weaponized that he was like oh well I know how to get this top
Starting point is 00:11:16 secret but again internal logic of the show Armosa is Hiram's like you know little stool pigeon stool pigeon thank you that's the word I'm looking for it she does everything for Hiram she is like loyal to him to like every episode is about how she chooses Hiram over her own sister always over her like and so we're to believe that Reggie just calls her and is like, tell me how to rob your father. And she's like, okay, no problem. Like, what? Like, you just, she really betrays her father for this, for Reggie, for somebody who she apparently had a couple of years ago. Because they got it go smelt. They got smelt. They got smelt. Spanish to blues. Yeah. Of all of the Bays, I think that's ever been
Starting point is 00:12:05 said. On Riverdale, watching Veronica's character, look at the Pallium, like, what are we going to do with the Palladium? we'll smelt it down into Spanish de bloons. I think that that line was the most. I was like, there's no way Veronica would even think ever. When you look at palladium, you think, oh, I'm a smelt it down in Spanish de blooms. And then she's got these, oh, magical palladium de bloons that she just happened to find in Cheryl's caves underneath the maple groves. Yeah, and then, right, Cheryl's like, yeah, sure, I'll lie for you.
Starting point is 00:12:40 like despite this like my land is like this extremely high stakes mineral rich area where you also get pladium like and swamps and dead girls. I like the idea of like the table read of this script where Veronica had to read that line like oh we'll just melt it down into Spanish de blooms and I like to think that she was like man fuck this job but she's just like I'm going to do it and I'm going to commit to it. I'm going to say this like it's a normal
Starting point is 00:13:10 thing to say. This show. And this is the whole thing. And like the entire time, so Chadwick calls her up, he's like, I've actually got all, I'm going to get all the money for the investments. And she's like, I've got these Spanish debloons. I don't need your money. And he's like, you don't know, wait, baby, baby, baby.
Starting point is 00:13:29 It's called copter cab. And the copters take you from essentially, like, what, they do have copters that take a lot of rich people from New York out to the Hamptons or out to, like, fire. Island and stuff like that. So he's investing in a company like this. And the entire time I was like, didn't he just crash a helicopter? Yeah. What about the copter crash? I know it's like a copter crash we don't speak about. But there was specifically a helicopter crash. Yeah. Which, of course, big deal. Even though Veronica came in with her lie with her good time girls. So she comes with with a bunch of, quote, good time girls,
Starting point is 00:14:09 to keep the men entertained while the SEC looks into his helicopter crash. What? Are you eat? Good time girls? I felt like I was offended. Like, I was weirdly offended by it. I was like, you can't call anyone a good time girl anymore?
Starting point is 00:14:29 Yeah. What is it? Do you just bring in the girls in the short? It's not 1962. Where's the go-go boots? They had a bunch of pixie sticks in those briefcases, which is, I assume, was like jingle jangle jangle or the other one.
Starting point is 00:14:41 Or goof, goofy rocks. Yeah. Fizzy rocks. Fizzy? Fizzy. Fizzle rock. Fizzle rock.
Starting point is 00:14:49 Fizzy. Something. I have no idea. Yes. So it was those. It was the same drugs that I think that are like a mixture of like X. I think it's like more like X, right? Isn't that what we decided the drugs of Riverdale?
Starting point is 00:15:07 I know trying to keep you separate. There was the one that was more like LSD than there was the one that was more like meth, I think. Vizzle, yeah. But no, one of them was like X too. But I think that that scene with the copter cab party and the Good Time Girls was meant to kind of. The Fizzle Rocks is like acid, by the way. Fizzle Rocks is like acid, by the way. I'm looking up it on the, yeah, on the Archieverse, which.
Starting point is 00:15:30 But so I think that that was supposed to be like a wolf of Wall Street reference of like, we do so much cocaine on our deals, you know. Yeah. But again, just strange because, like, Hiram's there for some reason. There's just, like, four random men there. Oh, yeah, just the men grope it on the good time girls. You had to have gropers or else the scene's not a real finance broce. I can't explain that.
Starting point is 00:15:58 But in the end, don't worry, the rich will stay rich. They found out about his helicopter crash. And I guess he doesn't have a business anymore. I don't know what it means. I don't know. But then she, of course, what does she do? She stands in front of Chadwick. She stands in front of Daddy.
Starting point is 00:16:13 And she stands in front of the good time girls. And she tells them again of what she just did to them. She loves to confess her crimes. Why do you do that? Why? Hiram's going to know, you did it. You just told him you did it. Now you're just like, she just likes to egg him on.
Starting point is 00:16:30 But like, don't you remember that he's like very, very powerful and he's going to screw you over. Why not just get away with it? And now he's going to work with Chadwick to screw you over. Like, where's your fucking brain at, Veronica? You're the she-wolf of Wall Street. Think and act like it, please.
Starting point is 00:16:47 But now we've got to talk. You know what? I'm going to give you throw your brain for a loop right now. I think Jughead's actually starting to be attractive again. I actually agree. I liked Jughead a lot in this episode. He was
Starting point is 00:17:02 the highlight of the episode for me. And I just, I had hated him literally two weeks ago. Yes. And the thing is, is that at the end of the day, we forget that Lily Reinhart and Cole Sprauss are genuinely, I mean, I think they're all very talented in their own ways. But I think that both of them are very talented actors. Yeah. And they give them these scenes, because also I'm not saying that the other ones aren't, but let's just say, they have what they're written, you know, and they are written juicier scenes at times. And they really liked the scene between Betty and Jughead in this episode. I like that scene a lot, yes.
Starting point is 00:17:36 And it was also kind of loaded knowing their history. Yeah. Yeah. In real life, history, too. He was like, really just what, I was like, I like it. I like what's happening here. Agree. Very, it's still, we're not getting into the Mothman.
Starting point is 00:17:50 What is Betty doing right now? She's dressing like her most likely murdered sister and has been working as a sex worker on the lonely highway to what? torture truck drivers to find her sister? I have a huge question about that. Please. Please. It's a really big question.
Starting point is 00:18:13 Hit me. So that I think I must be missing something. Didn't we already find the trucker killer two episodes ago and kill him? And not only that he choked on his own tongue. Yes. But he did open up the idea of possibly a family of. serial killers because he was like, I hunt with my, like, with my other serial killers essentially. Right.
Starting point is 00:18:38 Like it's easier to hunt with my family. I forgot exactly what he said. Right. So I guess she's looking, and I think she's really looking for her sister more than anything. Because I think that she thinks that Polly is still alive. But she had a line that was like, I'm out there hunting for the trucker killer. She keeps referring to the trucker killer. A, that's not what we were calling him before.
Starting point is 00:19:00 We were calling him the lonely highway killer. And then you found him. Right? And so now you're out here talking about the trucker killer. Who is that? Are you talking about someone else? Are you talking about the guy who just swallowed his own tongue? Again, you're right that he hinted that there's more serial killers because there's always more.
Starting point is 00:19:15 Of course. But who is she talking about? I actually was so fucking confused. I was like, who are you talking about? Was that a dream the last episode where you caught the guy? And he described your sister like to a T so that you pretty much are sure it was him? Yeah. I have no idea.
Starting point is 00:19:31 but she really thinks that she's still alive. And I don't know if this is just going to, like, make her go down a spinning, you know, a drain mentally. Because I guess that's what happened. Because I felt exactly the same way, MJ, when Betty showed up in Polly's outfit on the side of the road and the lonely highway and I was like, but, hmm, I think. And I was like, someone's going to stop her, right? But then what ends up happening, Tabitha just joins her to go together, try to pull down truck drivers? I don't really understand because, again, I think that Betty's just out there torturing people who don't need to be tortured. Yes. And to her credit, she's basically admitting that to Jughead.
Starting point is 00:20:19 Yeah. She's like, Jughead's getting drunk and being like, I'm an alcoholic and I'm struggling and I was in recovery, but now I'm, I'm like struggling again. And again, that was like a very good scene. I really liked it. Yeah. And she's like, well, you're addicted to alcohol. I'm addicted to hunting serial killers. And I can't stop.
Starting point is 00:20:37 And we see the, we see Dark Betty coming out. And, you know, it's a little different iteration of Dark Betty. This Dark Betty didn't seem to be too concerned about her own serial killer gene, which she spent a lot of time on in the past. But she is basically saying she's addicted to hunting serial killers. She's just becoming a serial killer herself. So I guess. Is that what's going to happen?
Starting point is 00:20:59 Like, is that where it's going to go? Is it then she internally, like, is she going to be, like, taken in by the ghost of the blackhood, her father? You mean again for, like, the third time? Ooh, I guess. I like Dark Betty, though. Like, I am definitely here for it. Hell yeah. Go clean up the highway, I guess.
Starting point is 00:21:20 And in the fact that they did find other dead bodies out there, I understand. But, girl, you're not even FBI anymore. Now you're just becoming a bad person. Yeah, she's a baddie. She's a baddie now. But also kind of like that she's a baddie now. And I think that she's going to obsess into this. Because I think that even her saying that she's looking for the trucker killer,
Starting point is 00:21:44 isn't she just honestly still looking for TBK? Yes, definitely. That's why I was so confused when she talked about the trucker killer because I was like, literally who are you talking about? And aren't you now? Wouldn't it make more sense if you were not? now that you got the guy, again, two weeks ago, I thought, you now move on to your other white whale, which is the TBK killer.
Starting point is 00:22:05 Yes. But now you're just moving on to a different white whale, who, again, I'm pretty sure is already dead, but I guess isn't? I guess. I don't. And so now we were just left with Betty on the side of the road with Tabitha, and together they're going to go hunt men, even though I thought that Tabitha was going to try and franchise Pops.
Starting point is 00:22:25 Oh, yeah, I forgot about the franchising of Pops. Who's got the time when you've got to get out there on the side of the highway to not have any. And also not to be like this. What are you going to do, Betty? You have no, like there's no way any of this would ever hold up in court. So all you're really doing is trying to find people and kill them without proof because that's also not good. Yes. And again, to be fair, this is a demon.
Starting point is 00:22:53 But Betty has struggled with season after season. Am I a serial killer? Season two, am I a serial killer? It's rough. Season three, season four. So it's like, it makes sense that we are still in Am I a serial killer mode for Betty? Like, I get that.
Starting point is 00:23:09 She's always wanted to become a serial killer. She's finally getting there. Oh, she's getting there. And, yeah, if any, I mean, again, shocked to say it, Jugg has the only person acting like a normal person around here because he's like, Betty, I think you should stop this. Like, he is actually back,
Starting point is 00:23:26 And he even does the right thing by not getting mad at, well, he gets a little bit mad at Tabitha and Betty for giving away his manuscript to his, you know, bad manipulative, abusive ex-girlfriend. And where is that going to come back? I know. That's got to come back at some point, right? I hope so, because she just took it and left. But then he was going to plagiarize and save his own ass for not having any novel by taking the novel that the manuscript that had been given to him by that. nice young grad student. And then even Jughead in conversation with Betty in the bunker was like, you know, I'm going to
Starting point is 00:24:05 come clean and I'm not going to steal this. Thus. Not going to steal this book. Torpedoing his career. Also didn't have an electronic copy of. This young, attractive woman just gave him a physical copy of a book. So what did you do? He ripped off the title page with her title and her name on it and handed it over to the Rat King.
Starting point is 00:24:25 nay, I'm sorry, his publishing manager who still talks like he is John Lovitz in a league of their own. And he says, if you don't get me a manuscript by tomorrow, you're going to be toast. And so he tries to give him this manuscript that is not his, because again, his ex-girlfriend has the manuscript. He already wrote MJ while he was on maple mushrooms. He does have a whole book. He doesn't remember it, but it's written. another Y-A novel that was gonna take him to the top. And so now he doesn't have anything.
Starting point is 00:24:59 So he got dropped by his manager, which again, you know, it's one of those things that always hurts my brain whenever they bring up the timeline. When she said, Jug, five years ago when I got that voicemail, I was it five years ago? I don't understand. I need to stop trying to understand the timeline
Starting point is 00:25:17 between when Jughead left Riverdale and current day. Even though we did get a whole, whole episode about this two weeks ago. But that happened five years ago? Yes. Everything he talked about two weeks ago, I think. And the rat king and the rabies. So he got rabies five years ago.
Starting point is 00:25:36 I think. But again, now, today, this week, whatever, in the present time, he has been gone for like a month. Yeah. And everyone's like, where were you? Yeah. And finally, don't worry. Finally put on administrative. leave at Riverdale High School.
Starting point is 00:25:54 Thank you. He didn't even call out of work. Because he's just been gone. He's just been gone. Like, did Cole Spouse have COVID? Like, what happened? Like, is, like, is Lily Reinhart, like, in between, like, beaten up truckers that are innocent?
Starting point is 00:26:09 Is she still teaching shop class? That's such a good question. Is she still going in for the high school schedule? It's tough. It's got to be tough to be at a high school from, like, 7 a.m. to 3 p.m. and then do your lonely highway serial killing at night. Be beaten up.
Starting point is 00:26:21 Drivers at night. got to be very difficult. In the same way, it's got to be difficult that isn't Cheryl a teacher? No, Cheryl never came down from her mountaintop. Remember when she was an agoraphobic, like five episodes ago? Yes. She's not anymore. Yes. Yes. You're right. Now she's like the opposite. She is trying to be, but this episode with Cheryl's plotline did give us a little bit more answers in terms of like, are her and Penelope both faking there, like, come to Jesus, come to Jason moments. And it seems clear that they are, that they, well, at least I thought that they both were, like, like, because Sherry, but that's complicated kind of by the end when she's like, I actually think I really
Starting point is 00:27:02 am a saint. But basically, Cheryl's like, this is just yet another power struggle with my mother Penel and P. Blossom. And Kevin's like, yeah, let's like trick everyone so that you can like see, his power again. And I was relieved to get that conversation because I've been spending the last you being like, are they true believers here about this religion or is it just a scam? And it seems like it's a scam for both of them. But now Cheryl has worked herself up into believing it. I don't know. And the thing is I immediately just started trying to, I started trying to look up while you were just talking about this.
Starting point is 00:27:35 The thing is what I don't understand is that Perry Mason, an amazing show that was on, that HBO came out with last year, this exact storyline, but as an entire really great show that is based on, what's your name, Tatiana Maslani. Oh, no, really? Dude, watch Perry Mason. Perry Mason's so fucking good. And it is this plot line, but done in a very, like, violent fun way. And if you know Tatiana Maslani, she's the one that plays this, like, prophet
Starting point is 00:28:13 That is, it's like, is she a prophet? Is she not a prophet? Like she's like, and she's also based on, I believe, a real, I think a real person, but I can't really remember. Wow. It's really good. I knew, I had heard about Perry Mason and my folks love real old Perry Mason. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:28:29 And I think, so I think they were excited about new Perry Mason, but I didn't know Tatiana Moslani was there. She is like my ultimate celebrity crush. Right. How I do, ooh, ooh, it doesn't, On a kisser. Yes. The role is based on Amy Semple McPherson, I guess who was a charismatic evangelist back in the Great Depression. So it is very fun to watch Cheryl try to do this. So what does she do? Apparently Jason from the dead, who they all worship alongside the maple syrup, came out, which I think is very
Starting point is 00:29:08 funny, and said that there can be no more singing at the church. A little meta nod, I think, for a bit, because they were about to jump into some Joseph. And I was ready to hear some Joseph. I was too. I love that there are church that only sings Andrew Lloyd Webber songs. I think that's great. Very here for it. I would go to that church.
Starting point is 00:29:27 It got stopped. So then she's like, what am I going to do? Oh, I have to show three miracles so that I can get into sainthood. So very obviously fakingly, she performed, she turned water into what? maple syrup in front of everybody. And then she had stigmata to show like Jason's wounds. But didn't Jason get shot in the head by his father? I was very confused about that because I understand that the parallel here is that Jason is like Jesus, but Jason wasn't crucified.
Starting point is 00:30:04 Jason didn't have stigmata. No. He did get shot in the head by his father. He was just like killed in a normal way. Yeah, he just got killed. He was killed. And so there was that. And then because Nana Rose used to be a beekeeper,
Starting point is 00:30:20 which I know that there are ways, like, not only using smoke, but I think it is like a heartbeat thing of a way of, like, having patience and not being scared of bees, that they'll just, like, be on you. I remember reading this when we were researching Candyman last year. And they, so she puts her hand in a bunch of bees. And then she pulls out the honey, covered in bees on her hands
Starting point is 00:30:42 and she yells at her mother, I'm the queen of the bees, mother. The bee thing, really. Talk about coming out of left field. There was no mention of bees in this episode. There's been no mention of bees
Starting point is 00:30:57 for the entirety of Riverdale. And then suddenly she's the queen of the bees. And that's why she knows she's a real saint. We go all in on bees literally in the last seven minutes of the episode. Now it's a bee show. She says, I am Cheryl Blossom, Queen of the Bees.
Starting point is 00:31:12 And it doesn't, like, the bees aren't even red. Like, I don't understand, but I thought you were the queen of maple syrup. I thought you were quite, like, you have a lot of other things. But now you're also queen slash saint of the bees? Saint of the Bees. Yes, right. All right. Thank you.
Starting point is 00:31:30 Are you a queen or are you a saint? You're a saint because the bees didn't sting you, even though literally the two previous miracles you did, you know are fake, because, Kevin used his interest, his middle school interest in David Copperfield to do magic trick. The magician, M.J. Not the Dickensian novel. Love that they had to make sure everyone knew. The magician. David Copperfield. Yeah, obviously, Kevin. Yes. I'm sorry. I'm sorry that I'm assuming here. But yeah, obviously David Copperfield, the magician. Yeah. But so, also, I don't understand Kevin's a motivation. At first, he was just there because he wanted to sing. No.
Starting point is 00:32:07 Now, why is, why is he? hanging out with Cheryl so much. Why does he always get wrapped up in this? He's better than that. He's smarter than that. Why do he do him dirty like this shit? Yeah, Kevin used to have shit to do. Now he's just like Cheryl's sidekick. At least let us watch him kiss fangs if he's just gonna be his sidekick. Yes, please. And where's the baby, MJ? Where's the baby? So, and then like, poor, honestly, poor Alice Cooper, she's like, she's just bereft. She's at home. No one's helping. her. She seems to be the only one who remembers that they caught the serial killer two weeks ago.
Starting point is 00:32:45 Yeah. And he confessed to murdering Polly. Again, I understand we're not supposed to believe that that really happened and probably that he was lying. But like, yeah, she's very upset because he told Alice that he killed her. So does Betty care? No, she's going to put a blanket on drunk, passed out Alice and then head back out to the lonely highway.
Starting point is 00:33:06 Get back out to the lonely. highway. Now, I don't think a lot of these recaps are hoping and thinking that Bughead is going to become a thing again. I don't think that that's the case. I'm really hoping that Tabitha and
Starting point is 00:33:23 Betty fall in love through their, like, working together, because isn't that the whole thing? Is that like, you know, you fall in love with the partner that you're working on shit with? And I think that this would be a really fun way to bring them together. I hope they don't fall
Starting point is 00:33:39 back into it. I don't think I want to see it. Yeah. Yeah, I don't think I want to see it either. I'd see him kissed though. I mean, he's looking great. Yeah. And he think that like, honestly, the alcoholism makes him look older, very into it. But he also looked less, like, I truly feel like Cole Spouse looked more alive in this episode than he, like, before he had all this weird facial hair. He just, he wasn't looking good. He like looked rough. And in this episode, Jughead is struggling, but it didn't seem like Cole brows was struggling. And that was the distinction.
Starting point is 00:34:11 He's little tattoos underneath his little t-shirt. I was into that. You know, like honestly, this episode, even though nothing sexy about it, but it did spark my loins in a way that it hadn't in a long time. And I think I needed that. I think it needed just a little bit. Yeah. Even though there's nothing sexy about it.
Starting point is 00:34:28 Yeah. I'm just, I'm aching for it. There hasn't been enough sex for weeks. No, there's too much trauma right now. And I'm happy that they're dealing with the trauma. I think it's good. But, I mean, as people, like, but as me watching it, no, I want more smut. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:34:45 I want more mock men. I know you Riverdale writers. I know you listen to us. I want more mothman. I mean, who's kissing anybody? No one's, Jugger's not kissing anybody. Veronica's not, Veronica's maybe kissing Reggie, but we're not even seeing it. No.
Starting point is 00:35:02 And I feel like if she had feelings for him, though, she certainly, I feel like would have been a lot more jealous. during the Hermosa scene. Yeah, yeah. I think that we're meant to believe that they still have like a, you know, the energy of people who have an on-again. Yeah, out-again-off-again thing. But they're not kissing.
Starting point is 00:35:24 Betty's kissing nobody. And Jughead, when he kisses anybody, it's like super dysfunctional. And there's not enough kissing. There's like no kissing. No. But they are certainly really hitting as hard with the words like, oh, you know,
Starting point is 00:35:39 the wall. journal and, you know, things like that, where they're just really reminding you that it is still Riverdale. It is still Riverdale. That you can't get out of the clutches of Rivers. We're trapped. We're both trapped today. No.
Starting point is 00:35:53 Yeah. We are as addicted to Riverdale as Betty is to hunting serial killers. I just, and you know, soon, I wonder if, like, do you think Cheryl's going to start, like, crying maple syrup and things like that? Like, what do you think is next for St. Cheryl, who has killed people, right? Yeah. I mean, I don't know where they're going with the St. Hood thing. I really hope that the St. Good thing. I really hope they tie in the whole
Starting point is 00:36:20 like, she's like the little red riding hood like, like, you know, spear killer, because I think that's a lot. Like, I love that side. Where? I want more chaos. Yes. Chaos. I want more like war scenes in the forest. I want more orphans. Didn't think I would ever say that. I thought I had enough Orphins. Wow, you're right. No orphans this season so far. No orphans? No kissing, no archery. Like, no new drugs. No new drugs. What are we here for? Serial killers. Serial killers and cults and and Mothman hopefully. Bring back the Mothman. And where has Jugghead been? Where has he been? Where's he been? I don't know where he's been. But I know where we've been and that's been watching Riverdale. Thank you guys so much for Jugghead been. Joining us, we're going to be back next week.
Starting point is 00:37:10 And I believe now there are three more episodes. I think that I believe, O'O Roberto said something about that. So we're here for it. We're here for it. What's going to happen? I don't know. What are they going to choose?
Starting point is 00:37:24 I think that they choose out of a hat. So whatever comes out this week, I guess we will see next. And I love you guys. I hope you have a beautiful week. And I hope you all enjoyed this week of Riverdale Roundup. Thank you, MJ, for, John with me.
Starting point is 00:37:40 Oh yeah. Thank you for bringing me along on this never-ending, truly never-ending journey. We didn't know who was going to come this far, but baby, we're still here. We love you.
Starting point is 00:37:53 I will talk to you next week. Bye. This show is made possible by listeners like you. Thanks to our ad sponsors, you can support our shows by supporting them. For more shows like the one
Starting point is 00:38:08 you just listened to, Go to lastpodcastnetwork.com.

There aren't comments yet for this episode. Click on any sentence in the transcript to leave a comment.