Page 7 - Riverdale Roundup Chapter 73: I Have The Conch

Episode Date: March 18, 2020

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we know in a world where society is collapsing, Riverdale will always be collapsing. Hey guys, welcome to Riverdale Roundup. We are here talking about season four, episode 16, Chapter 73, The Locked Room, which, you know, it just is making sense to me now why it's called the locked room. And I can say that. It's the soothing comfort of normalcy that is being disappointed by Riverdale that we all need in this time. I will say this episode, it made me say, are you kidding me? At least about five times. I will say, I laughed so hard as they say, Lord of the Flies, Molly.

I have the conch, which I really, really, if there was everything in me, I was like, please call him fatty, please call him Fattie, please call Mr. Dupont Faddy. That is what Jughead said to Mr. Dupon. He didn't call him fatty, and I was very upset about that, though. You know, I love a locked-in-a-room premise. The murder mystery of Say by the Bell to this day is one of my favorite episodes. So just like I always do, with this episode, Riverdale, I buckled up and I got ready for the journey they were going to take us on. And I said, all, let's do this.

We're all locked in a room. And once again, I find myself almost disappointed enough to forget. all of the other things that I am feeling right now about the world. It really does help. You know what it is? Find your anger and direct it at Riverdale. And that is what we are here for because today we are talking about figuring out why Jughead was quote-unquote murdered and by whom did the murder. So what do Betty and Jughead do?

They get together, Mr. DuPont, and the only four class. that they have at Stonewall Prep, and they lock them in the room to figure it out. I just feel like they all could have really taken them down, and if someone locked me in a room and was like, we're going to put our fingers in your face, and we're going to say all the bad things you've ever done, I would have beaten the shit out of that. Right? Definitely. And they're all just like, okay, let's do this.

But the main thing about this episode is that it's supposed to be the big satisfying, like, reveal, like, oh, here's how it all happened. And I feel like it happened, I don't even know, what, eight episodes too late? Like, how long have we been waiting for any information than to have this fucking months-long thing with zero clarity, zero information,

and then one episode where you find out all of it? I was like, this sucks. You should have been trickling this information out to us over the course of the last eight or 12 or fucking 25 episodes so that we don't just get it all at once. That's why I can barely, so as they're unraveling, and you're supposed to be watching this as if it's like a, aha,

oh my God, for each thing that they say, but I was like, okay, wait, what was happening? Oh yeah, I forgot, Mr. Chipping, okay. And we are people that scream about this show every single week. And I keep track, and I still, didn't quite understand. I was like, oh, y'all are bringing that shit back from 20 episodes ago.

Oh, okay. So also, not spoiler alert because y'all either know or you don't care and you're just listening to us and I appreciate you and I love you very much because I need to yell right now. So the whole thing was because of Mr. DuPont. The old man teacher

that if you remember was the one that when Forsyth, Jugheads, grandfather went to Stonewall Prep. He quote unquote purchased the Baxter Brothers script from him and then took it and essentially stole it from him and made millions and millions and made this huge empire out of it. So this is back in the day. Remember 25 centuries ago, Molly, when we were like, oh, this probably has to do with

the grandparents. Yeah, we did call that. We did, I guess. We did except that they did it in the most disappointing, dumb fucking way possible, where it wasn't any of the grandparents who we know. It wasn't like, oh, it was going to be like, oh, cool, this is going to be, no, it's just like fucking Mr. DuPont, who's not anybody's grandparent. I don't care. And then the first Forrest Life, which also, I don't care about him.

And then, spoiler alert, Donna's grandparent, we don't care about Donna. I don't give a shit about Donna. I don't, you know what, I'm going to say that I think I may, and I'm not saying the actress, because she's killing it. But Donna, the character, I hate with every fiber of my being. I hate her fake crying. I hate how she gets away with everything. And she's like, but I'm just a girl. It's fucking 2020, bitch.

Get a better excuse. Yeah. And I still, honestly, I still don't know why it all happened. Like, we should start, honestly, with the fucking end. What, like, tell me at the end of. this episode because I was watching it with people who are in my house who are quarantined with me who don't watch Riverdale and I was like

and they were like oh you don't have to explain everything and I was like no it's my job to be able to talk about this and so I was like trying to explain shit but you know you can't you don't have the time you try to explain what happened you don't have the time you don't have the time that's actually why I watch this one alone because I've watched the last two alone and Jeff was like well why do you just catch me up before this episode was like I don't even

want to do that don't worry about it just fall off the boat It's done. It's over, man. This is exactly what happened with me and Gideon. If you missed one episode and then I was like, oh, I'll catch you up. But then if you miss two, it's like, you know what? It's all so fucking stupid.

There's no way to even catch up anyway. And also the way that they put a bow on this, I am assuming that everything else that happened in this season will never be spoken of ever again. Because they did try, can we try to go through? Maybe it will be helpful to go through. What all did we, quote, quote, find out? What all did they try to wrap in in terms of all the seeds that they had planted throughout the season? Okay, so y'all, remember when Jughead was brought into Stonewall Prep 100,000 years ago?

So this was all a plan. This was a plan. So what they had figured, what Jughead and Betty had figured out was that Moose, remember Moose, who was convinced to go enlist in the army after he been brought to Stonewall Prep, by Mr. Chipping. Mr. Chipping is a teacher that killed himself. So he kills himself because Moose had been brought there

to be murdered by the ghostwriter so that the next ghost writer could become the ghost writer of the Baxter Brothers series. Which was going to be Donna, right? Donna was going to be... We thought it at the very end that she did it because...

But she didn't think she was going to, like, share it with people. I think they were all going to work on it together. Okay, all right. So what do you have to remember all right when you're following me is that there are like three revenge stories happening

that we didn't know about this entire time that all of it was brought to light in this episode. When better to find out about a long standing simmering revenge than fucking 25 episodes into a goddamn season.

And especially three separate ones happen to get the same time if we weren't aware of any of them. So the revenge, so that's helpful. So let's pause here and go, the revenge plot lines that we found that are happening that we found out about are Donna's grandmother, Jane Dallas, was serial murdered by Mr. DuPont?

Yes, because Mr. DuPont is the killer. Mr. DuPont is the killer that originally started all the Stonewall Four because he got rid of everyone around him because he didn't want anyone to know that he was going to be the sole writer of the Baxter Brothers. franchise. So he got rid of everybody. So this revenge that he was brought, so Jughead was brought to Stonewall Prep as a way to

bait Jughead's grandfather to coming out of hiding to show up at the school 60 some odd years later so that Mr. DuPont could kill him. So while... The long game. Jughead. Yes. Waited for his grandson to come of age so that in senior year he could come to the school so as a way to get his missing, the missing fourth, to come out of the woodwork so that he could kill him?

That's a long game. That's a fucking long game. On top of that, Juggett's trying to figure out who killed him. And so he was brought in his bait. And then Mr. Chipping killed himself. And Mr. Chipping killed himself because he didn't want to. kill Moose because Moose was the one that was supposed to die. And what was Moose bait for again?

Moose was just supposed to be the murder victim because every ghost writer has to kill a boy, I don't know why, to get the next to become the ghost writer. Like if you want to be the ghost writer, you have to kill a boy. Okay. So Moose was going to be killed. And Mr. Chipping knew that, which is why he killed himself after getting Moose at a dodge. Uh-huh. Okay.

All right. So then since Jughead's bait already, why don't we kill Jum? Jughead. And I really love the fact that, and Donna wanted to be the ghost writer all by herself, even though all four of them were the ones that conspired together to kill Jughead to get the ghostwriting position. But Donna's grandmother is Jane Dallas, who was killed by, who was one of the original ghostwriters of the Baxter brothers, along with Mr. Chip, Mr. fucking DuPont and Mr. Dupon killed her. And we found that out. And like, with like seven minutes left. this episode. Yes. And so Don

was like, yes, so this entire time has been my revenge for my grandmother, because since birth, it has been her, it's her job was to go to Stonewall Prep and go and get revenge

for her grandmother who the character Tracy True was based on originally. Again, a very long game. I'm asleep. I'm already asleep. I'm so mad. I'm so I'm so mad about it. It's hard to watch an episode that is a poorly written episode,

a bunch of shitty different plot lines together in a time that my brain is so that I can barely even finish a sentence. I'm so upset. And otherwise, yes. Right. Like, we all need distractions right now, yes, but also, like, I can't focus on whatever mystery Riverdale is pretending to unravel here. I'm like, I don't have the time for this Riverdale.

You got to make it simpler for me. Yes, or more fantastical. I need one or the other. I need to be so over the top. So I will give them credit that they were desperately trying to make this rag tag season make a semblance of sense. Because it was all over the place. They didn't tie in the videotapes, though. Well, they did tie in the videotapes, did they?

Because what ended up happening is that then, after. they all realized that all four of them were in on it, that Joan was the one that was a... Why also, would you put the weakest, least angry one on the job of hitting the tall man in a head with a rock to death? Wouldn't you ask Brett to do something like that? But that's a whole other fucking story. He was wearing a beanie, Jackie.

It saved him. He was wearing a beanie and it saved his life because her little bird arms couldn't hit his head. You know what? Honestly, I don't think would they rock the size of my hand that I could kill you with one strike? Right? I mean, what ended up happening, you know, conveniently was that it was enough to like really not hurt him at all. But make him dead enough that he was apparently dead for a couple seconds and then was able to fully recover immediately without any sort of medical.

I guess he was in a coma for a couple days. Betty was like it was the hardest three days of my life. There was like several. So some answer, it's hard to, some questions that we had last week were answered in terms of like, why were there all these scenes between people who were in on it, acting like they weren't in on it before? Because there was a kind of rollout of people who were in on it.

Right. Right. And including Betty didn't even, but they, so at first, Betty really did think that maybe she had killed him, I guess they weren't sure if he was going to survive, even though he woke up. I mean, Archie was like, he's dead. And then Jughead was like, no doctors.

And they were like, why did you say no doctor? He said he was like, I don't know, which is a great Riverdale thing. Just say something that's convenient to the plot line and just don't justify it at all. That's why, because he was barely alive and he just went, no hospitals. No hospitals. And then passed back out and then was in a coma for three days. And then, right. And so then we find out the kind of change.

of cover-up and right he said no hospitals why oh maybe because I knew I had a I wouldn't have a fighting chance to find to frame you got to prove I knew Betty was going to be framed like how would you even what are you talking about

three times because we were talking about this last week so what ended up happening is that Donna a devil's breath devil's breath at Betty so puts her into a fugue they set her up so she thinks that she killed him They leave them there. So when she comes back to, she immediately calls Charles and they have a up, hop,

hop, hop, hop, hop, up, up, up, up, up, pop, up team. Some weird fake FBI ambulance show up with two people that now know that there's possibly a dead kid on their hands, but they don't ask any questions. It's an FBI ambulance. It is a hop-up-up-hop-pup. Didn't it seem like that they were may as well have made those sounds? And I still have a lot of, zero questions for the kids. the record, unless I missed it at the very end, zero questions about Charles have been answered,

right? No. So that is still going to come up, I'm sure. Okay. I'm assuming. Yeah, he's just like, he just shows up in the woods, is apparently still an FBI agent, helps them cover up jug heads, you know, fake death. And then at the end of this episode shows up to make a, I was going to say a citizen's arrest,

but I guess it's an actual FBI arrest. So ostensibly, this guy. really in the FBI. I'm still not convinced. And so that is, and so you're talking about when they come back to, when they come back to,

because so then they immediately realize, all the kids realized, our teens, that they were, that they were trying to be set up. So they burn all their clothes and yada, yada, everything else that happened

in the rest of the season. And so now that they're trying to frame them, and they, so in this locked room, when they finally come at Mr. DuPont, and they're like, Mr. DuPont, you said all these things and then FP and the grandfather come in and they're like I'm four sides and you are a bad teacher and so what does mr. DuPont do again because Riverdale loves doing the same bullshit thing more over and over again throws himself out the same window that Mr. Chipping did yeah it's true they nothing Riverdale loves more than just doing the same shit over and over again. serial killer in season two, serial killer in season four.

I keep waiting. It was the same with Mr. Chipping throwing himself at the window. I was waiting for it to be like, oh, that's our trick suicide window. I'm still kind of waiting for that where he's actually alive somewhere, you know? I know. I know. And I can't help but feel like perhaps given that so many teens watch Riverdale and is theoretically a show four teens, I feel like I want them to examine their relationship with using suicide as a plot device.

Very weird choice to keep bringing back suicide. And maybe it's because it's such a ridiculously cartoonish way of throwing yourself out a window because they do take cartoonish running starts to like dive out the window like their free willy. Yeah, they do kind of like a shoulder like, like Mr. Depont did kind of like a shoulder first. And it's like a, it's maybe like a second story or two, third story. It's like not even that story. It's the second story. So it's, yeah, but I just, there's a part of me that's like, I worry.

I worry about this and the teens. Yes. And at least it is, like it's not like they're taking a bunch of pills or hanging themselves. Because I think that if I threw myself out of a window in a second story like that, I'd definitely be hurt. But you're most likely. It's not like a 100% guarantee that you're going to die. No, I don't think they.

you are at all. You're like, you're probably just going to be like, ah, you know. Why did I do that? I feel like it's akin to a fish throwing itself onto a boat, you know, where you're like, hope I don't. Like, it's not going to be fun, but they'll probably throw me back in because fish are thinking about these things. I don't know if you know that, but. There was also a plot line involving Hermosa, which I would like to clarify Hermosa, basically. You mean Hermosa, the private investigator, right? So the private investigator lent her private investigative tools to Veronica, even though they hate each other for the purposes of like finding out all this dirt on all of the Stonewall kids, right?

Yes. Why did she give up her feud with Veronica? I think it's because Edemosa was so close to, she was trying to pin Veronica for the murder. So I think to get her off of her trail, she was like, okay, we didn't do that, but we need your help. So I think she just was like, well, I'm going to bend into her evil side more than anything. And I mean, it did work out in her favor. Yes. Okay.

So that was convenient. There was, I'm trying to think of like, at one point they're like Archie even told his mom. And there was kind of like. Because they needed a lawyer. So that also made sense. Right. Right. So there was like, it's hard.

You know, we struck. Again, I said this last week, but it's like we used to, you know, kind of go through the plot lines for each character. and these last two episodes, to their perhaps limited credit, have involved all of the characters. So that's why we're like, it's very hard for me to not bounce all around. But also, if you're listening to this and you're like, this makes no sense.

It's because the episode made no sense. The big reveal, there is nothing, like it was the kind of creepy teacher the whole time, but it didn't have anything to do with Jughead. He was settling a 60-year feud. And Jughead and Betty kind of knew in advance enough that this might happen that they were able to plan to make Jughead's attempted murder, actual attempted murder by them, like, be fake. No. So in other words, what we were asking last week was why did they do this? Why did Betty and Jughead do this?

And what we found out this week is that it's not exactly that Betty and Jughead did. Jughead faked Jughead's own death on purpose. It's that Jughead was actually attempted murdered. And then split second thinking, you've got to have your head on straight in this time of an emergency. They decided to use that attempted murder then is an opportunity.

Revenge, revenge. It's so much revenge happening at once. So that now Mr. DuPont is dead. So they bring in all the three students. They bring in Joan, they bring in Donna, and they bring in Brett. to be, they bring them into the FBI studios. And then at the FBI studios, Joan is just like, well, my dad is an ambassador, so I'm a fucking peace.

And then they bring in Donna and Donna's like, cry, cry, cry. And it's all Mr. DuPont's fault. Fucking hate Donna. I hate her face. I hate everything about her. But again, not the actress, just the way that she does the character. And Brett, who's like, I, okay, go ahead and pin it. and all of this on me, FBI,

but I'm going to take, again, which I hate that they don't bring up. Brett says I'm going to take that sex tape. Again, with the fucking sex tape. I'm going to use a sex tape of Jughead and Betty, and I'm going to put it on the World Wide Web, which is what he says. Which wouldn't it be, correct me if I'm wrong,

because I don't know a whole lot about that. Isn't that child pornography if they're both under the age of 18, and wouldn't he just go to jail for doing that? Also going to jail for taking it without their permission. Yeah, yeah. The sex tape thing is, again, it's one of these things that I feel like Riverdale should like, because it is a show for teens,

I appreciate that it doesn't like pander to teens. Like it doesn't have like very special episodes and I appreciate that. But I also feel like they should just do these things with some mindfulness of the fact that. teens like watch them and I just feel like uh yeah I just feel like the whole like oh I'll just threaten to get back at you by like publishing a sex tape is like not like a great plot line for like what like many teens actually like go through revenge porn shit like all the time yes and it's already a very upsetting thing that especially young people have to deal with in this the time that it's

very easy to be spied on. I think that if I were younger, that would be a much huge, like a much bigger fear for me. But now at this age, or I'm just like, go ahead. Okay, fine. I mean, no one wants to watch that. But if you want to, I'd rather you go to jail and everyone's seeing me fucking drop in some pork than you just not going to jail. All right? But then, very scarily, FP comes in.

Is it with Jughead? Also very upsetting, Molly, I immediately thought about you. So FBI Charles is like, okay, you're going to give away. Why don't I go consult some FBI friends? He leaves. Who comes in, which I mean, hubba-bubba because both of them had their serpent's jackets on. Yes, I was happy to see the return of the serpent jacket. Very into it.

But they put on the brass knuckles and FP beats him within an individual. of his life. Yeah, that was really scary. Like, like, I don't come to Riverdale to be scared. Like, really scared. I come to Riverdale to be like, ooh, spooky. And, like, Brett picked up his face. And, ooh, sexy.

Yeah, Brett picked up his face and he had been, like, beaten half to death. Like, and I was upset by it. I didn't want to see that. No, because I don't like Brett, but it's also weird for the sheriff of a town. To beat a child. To beat a child with brass knuckles.

Within a inch of his life, that boy was, I was upset. I did not need to. see that face like his horrible like they really like for fucking a one second shot they really went all out to make his face look terrifying like he had really been beaten

to death and not to be like this but oh for a sex tape you're going to beat a child almost to death I mean I guess it's very upsetting and it is it will ruin like especially as a young person it ruins your life for or you assume it ruins your life it aids in a lot of

suicides it's I'm not saying it's just a whatever bullshit It's just, that is nuts. Yeah, no, that was too much. I did not want them. I wanted them to, like, do, like, a big cartoony punch in the face. I didn't want him to, like, kill Brett in a violent way. Yeah, and also, or at least let Jughead do it, who's also under the age of 18.

I mean, as a sheriff of a town, you shouldn't be doing that to anybody. Yeah, this is not the sexy serpent sheriff daddy that we asked for. No. But watching him kiss Alice Cooper always makes me. happy. Yeah, although, again, having people in my house watching this with me who don't watch him or they were like, wait a minute, why do they all live in a house together and why are the people who are dating parents kissing? And I was like, well, uh-huh. Oh, and also that other guy is both of theirs child. And both of their children are dating. And both their children are dating. Oh,

yeah, in high school, they made that other guy, FBI, not FBI. And now both of their children are dating. Man, I will say quarantine is really bringing people together to have to watch things that other people don't watch. And I think that's a fun thing about quarantining. It is, yeah. It's a fun thing about quarantining. I am terrified of what I run out of Love is Blind. Love is blind is the only thing getting me through this quarantine. I got you, girl.

I got lots of shit to send you of what you can watch to shut your brain off. I'll have your brain turn to mush if you want. I got a lot of trash for you. I'm telling you, I had to think too hard to follow the Surverdale episode. It was too much. That's why I had to, and I watched it right before we started recording this. That's the only reason why, because I'm like, I watched it last night, not even that long ago. And I'm like, I don't know what the, you could pay me $100 to tell you what happened to that episode.

And I don't know. Now, what I will say is kind of exciting. So all of this does get wrapped up in a bow because they all get brought in. And then Donna gets the ghost writing thing. And of course, that's when Betty confronts her and it's like, your grandmother. died and that's why you were doing all of it. And does she give it to Jughead or is it just kind of done? I was really struggling to tie that scene in with the rest of the episode.

At the end, Betty somehow ends up in Donna's dorm room and she's just like, I know your secret. So once again, Riverdale is like, oh, reveal, extra reveal. Everything you've got. Everything is a reveal. And so then Donna's like, oh, it's because my grandmother, Jane Dallas. so I'm getting revenge for her. I orchestrated the whole thing,

but I don't know. Who was the enemy? Mr. DuPont or Donna? I think little column A, little column B, because she was where, again, it's revenge times three. This episode should have been called

revenge times three. So they were all working for their own bullshit. And so none of them were working cohesively, which is what as a community we need to be doing, and that's what we should learn, Riverdale. But what I love is that afterwards, and also this whole time,

Betty and Archie have been pretending to be new lovers because Jughead was dead. But now we possibly think that fake lovers might be turning into real lovers. Because I don't know, maybe I'm reading too much into this. But it doesn't look like the kisses between Jughead and Betty are very passionate right now. Really? And I feel like if I had just solved my own attempt. I'd really fuck it out. You know what I mean?

Uh-huh. I mean, I got, yeah, I don't know. I thought she was like happy to see him in the bunker and all that. But maybe they're just like, you know, that thing in high school where you become like so close to your, I didn't date anybody in high school, so I don't know. But I feel like there's a thing where people in high school just are like, uh-oh, we just became really good friends. Yeah, and I think that that might be what's happening. I also, I have no idea. no idea. I never did. I never like dated anyone in high school either. But I'm assuming maybe that's

what young people do. I, I think that they're probably going to try and turn it into some sort of sorted plot, which again, I'll watch it for sure. It's just, you know, you shouldn't settle. Not you shouldn't. I have friends who, several different friends who married who met in high school, but I feel like there is a risk when you settle into a very serious relationship that young that you're going to want to spice it up with, for example, your partner's best friend. Yes. And I'd watch all four of them have a fucking hoe down. I'm down with that as long as it's consensual and as long as everyone's okay with it. But I would definitely watch it.

But I don't want to continue watching them because honestly, there's no sexual heat between them on camera. Between Archie and Betty? Betty, yes. Yeah, even though I did love that text scene from last week. It was cute. Yeah. Do you think that there is sexual, I guess there is real sexual. between Jughead and Betty because there's real sexual heat between Colesbrose and Lily Reinhard.

Right. So that's why I don't know where that's going to leave off, but what I love is that Cheryl, of course, always the needler, was needle, needle, needle, needle, needle, needle, needle, of like, well, but you guys were really like, cousin, your secret is safe with me, even though Betty is pretending like she has no feelings for Archie. But what I do love is that Betty was like, yeah, Cheryl, we were just pretending because Jughead was fake dead. And then Cheryl says, no one ever really dies in Riverdale, do they? And I feel like,

who is about to come back? Is someone about to come back that we think is dead that we never saw the body of? Is it going to be Mr. Chipping? We never saw the body. It has to be someone that we never saw the body of because, again, in Riverdale. Now, we saw the body of Mr. Dupon.

He is dead. And Jay said Blossom. That's what I mean. And it's like, so when do you see the body? usually that means they're dead, but when you don't see the body. Interesting, interesting. Because again, Charles is still talking to fucking chick in jail. Yeah, that's the thing.

That shit was never resolved in this episode. Charles and Chick are boyiffs, and they have never ever, they just dropped that bomb and just left, and they've never, ever, ever resolved it since. I think that we are trusting FBI, not FBI, Charles, a little too fucking much. And I am... I don't know.

Betty's just like, oh, let me tell, let me let you in on my whole murder plot. And he's like, yeah, I'll help. It's not good. He should know those things. And I think it's going to come back against them. On top of the fact that, again, man, they have been pushing it hard for the past like two weeks that Kevin is in charge of the variety show, which we all know is going to be. So I, of course, read the little summary on the headwig and the Angry Inch episode. and that I think Principal Honey is going to tell them

they can't perform that musical at the school and so they're all going to perform it together and God, I'm already so mad about it. Oh, I'm already so mad about it, but it's coming because last episode Kevin was like, but I am working on this school musical and then this episode, he's like, Jughead, even you, you also have to do the musical this year.

So I guess all of them are going to do it. I can't believe we just spent all this time on this fucking murder mystery and now we got to go do a musical. And that is, but of course, over their dead bodies, they're all going to graduate high school at the same time. I don't think it's going to happen. I just, I went down a rabbit hole in my brain just now of thinking how Riverdale is going to do the COVID episodes. But, you know, I guess that's for next season. Well, we will see how it goes And I am

I will say that I really I enjoyed Jughead and Betty this episode I thought that they carried the episode well I will give them that I like him as a team for sure And I love that he's back to wearing his serpents jacket Which honestly I saw I felt a little bit of the spark I used to have for him

I was wondering if you did And it was so funny because you know I had been saying all season like I kind of like preppy Jughead I think it's like I did I was surprised to find myself like liking his little like collar shirt look. And then as soon as he walked in with the jacket, I was like, oh, yeah, all right. I don't really feel any heat for junkhead myself.

But I was like, okay, I get where Jackie's coming from here. I mean, it's back. I just love, I love myself a bad boy. I love myself bad boy. And I did, I will say, I believe it was in, I forget which article I read, I believe was in Den of Geek that was talking about pondering about what they're going to do with FP and his storyline. Oh, Lord.

And he did, they did, whoever wrote that article did say that they wondered if the article was written by Chris Cummins. Thank you, Chris, for this supposition. Do you think that FP is going to leave with his father? And that's why he's going to leave the show.

Oh, but who's going to take care of Jughead? Are they going to bring back, um, what's your? name? Oh, God, I fucking wish. Gladys. Gladys Jones. I really, I'm here for it. They bring back Gladys. I love bad mommy. But also, what about Jelly Bean? She's still young enough. Yeah. She needs a parent. Yeah. Yeah, definitely Jughead. I mean, yeah, they're probably just going to be like, oh, Jughead's the daddy now. I mean, I'll look at that, Daddy. I'm fine with Jughead Daddy. And I'm, uh, I will watch it. I'm here for it. Well, guys, uh,

That is our episode today, and I hope you followed along. We tried. We tried hard. We did try. And you know what? I will say Riverdale is trying as well. They are trying. Am I giving them too much?

No, I think they're trying. I think that I'm still not convinced it's not just like a team of like 100, not 100 monkeys, but like 11-year-olds maybe typing it, you know? I could see it. That like bring it to someone. They're like, well, the council wants this. So I guess we're going to keep going with it. I don't know.

And I will say at least it is not another drug or another gang thing. And they have gotten back to murder mysteries. So they're trying something else. They're trying to along for the ride, of course. They're trying to do something we'll like. They're not succeeding, but they're trying. No, no, they're definitely not. But they are definitely giving us something to take our minds off of our realities right now.

So I am forever thankful for it. Thank you guys so much. We love you. We will be back next week with next week's episode, episode 17. I don't know what it's called, guys. I'm not looking to the future. I'm doing it to now right now. We love you and we will talk to you next week.

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