Page 7 - Riverdale Roundup Vol. 20: The Teens are LARPing

Episode Date: November 14, 2018

Jackie, Molly & Marcus review Chapter Thirty-Nine: The Midnight Club and discuss The Fred Heads, secrets & sins and that bathroom cat fight. Support us on Patreon and get weekly bonus content! www.patreon.com/page7podcast Intro song by Green Dreams greendreams.bandcamp.com Subscribe to SiriusXM Podcasts+ to listen to new episodes of Page 7 ad-free.Start a free trial now on Apple Podcasts or by visiting siriusxm.com/podcastsplus. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

I'm into, you know what, guys? I'm throwing it out there. Throw it out there. Red alerts. I think this might be my favorite episode. You know what I said when I started? I said, I might watch this one twice. And then I said, this is exactly what Riverdale should be.

This episode was, it was exactly what Marcus you were saying about the last episode, where they were gearing up for this amazing fucking episode. It was pretty goddamn good. It was so good. It was exactly. what the musical episode wasn't. I don't want that. Yeah, because it was a stunt episode.

Yes. It was a big stunt episode and they pulled out. This is the flashback episode. And I love stunned episodes. The musical episodes of Save by the Bell were always my favorite. But they just didn't, it's just not what I wanted in Riverdale was them singing. But what I do want is them doing like a breakfast club nostalgia flashback. And that was also very goth and murderous.

And it was just so perfect. Yeah. Or them singing. I mean, they did sing in this one. forget about the Fredheads. Yes. Singing a fucking Dockin song.

Yeah, that was a surprise. They sang Dream Warriors from Nightmare on Elm Street. That's awesome. Because they were singing and I was like, then this song's pretty good. This is really good for Riverdale. Kind of sounds familiar.

And then they went into that pre-course was like, wow, that's like a really like 80s, like 70s, 80s to pre-course. It's like, oh, that's Dream Warriors. Yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. I know that's Dream Warriors. Great. Cool. Awesome.

Yeah. But it was a little bit like, Like, Gideon was like, this is, like, it's kind of like a, it's kind of jarring to hear them saying like a real song. Yeah. You know. I was so happy, though. And even just like watching them all day and see what you was like, you're like, y'all look like idiots and this is perfect. But that's what happens when you're that on that much, what is it called?

Fizzle rocks? Fizzle rocks. Yes. Well, I'm glad they introduced a nice companion drug to jangle jangle jangle. Yeah, I love that they only do fun candy-like drugs. I love it so much. And if I want a jingle jangle, boy, do I want to. want some Bizzle Rocks. That's amazing because especially it's like pop rocks are one of my

favorite candies because it always hurts my mouth. And I think that there's something horribly wrong about giving children, that kind of stuff. But using it to essentially drop a bunch of acid inside your high school, I am completely on board for. Yeah, it looked like they were fucking candy flipping. What's candy flipping? Existing and LSD. XC and acid. Oh, look at me learning new things at the age of 31. I know what the kids like. I mean, it did have, this show did have that problem of when they do drugs on TV. And I'm like, have you all ever done drugs?

You know, that's like, that's, sometimes that when there's a drug episode on television, I'm just like, the writers have never done drugs. This is not how people act. Honestly, like, wow, you guys make doing drugs look fucking awesome. Yeah. Yeah, it made me want to do drugs. Yeah, I thought that they actually did do a really good job of like when it's just that, like, I don't know what's going on.

I saw like a Griffin King and then like I was like going in and out but although we'll say Alice Cooper was the only one that was not on Fizzle Rocks and she was one that saw the Griffin King so we obviously know Gargoy King. Gargol King. I'm sorry. So obviously we know that the gargoyle King does exist. So this is it. You know, this was of course the flashback episode. It begins everybody's playing griffins and gargoyles because some mysterious person put a copy of the rulebook inside every locker at Riverdale High. And so they brought the mayor, Hermione Lodge, to, did she talk to every classroom or just that one classroom? It's a good question. She was only

talking to the classroom where her daughter and all the main characters were having class, because apparently those are the only students at Riverdale High. It's a large building, but it has about 20 students. And typical, you know, high school, you know, behavior management is to just bring in the city mayor. To be like, stop playing this game. Yeah. Bring in the city meter. Don't play it.

Don't worry, you guys. Yeah, they set up a 24-hour crisis hotline for an RPG game. Yay. Well, it's actually not 24-hour because Kevin only runs it when he's at, when he's not in school. He's a full-time student. That is the opposite of 24-hour crisis hotline. And also, he's not a trained mental health professional. He's just a kid.

Oh my God, so many things. Yeah, but yeah, gargles and griffons and gargoles. That is, as Jughead said, an escape from our nightmarish reality. And I mean, this was obviously already happening in the lead-up with what was going on with Princess Athelene. But what happened, you know, basically, long story short, is that this is not an RPG. This is officially a larping game. This is an officially. went into larping at that,

about halfway through the episode. It went straight from RPG in a full larping because we all know the most attractive kids in high school are all hardcore larpers and just jump right into it. The teens are larping. But I got to say, though, I have never seen larpers that were that attractive as larpers. Oh my God,

when Jughead put on that crown, ooh, good lordy me. I was like, yeah, baby, you wear the crown. I'm sorry, FP was wearing the crown. Yeah, FB, because to clarify all, it was a flashback episode of all the main characters in Riverdale. It is them playing their parents back in. So what is it, what is it said in? Because I remember she said, and everything smelled like teen sperry.

I know. I was like, is it supposed to be the mid-90s? Well, that's 91. 91, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it smells like teens bear was 91. So I guess it was like late 80s, because it was so breakfast club. Breakfast Club and smells like Teen Spirit, two distinct eras.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But really, only a couple of years apart. I guess so. But I guess, yeah, you're right. But I guess in my head, the style of the breakfast club is so different. Like the feeling of teen angst in the breakfast club is very different than Teen Anxon and smells like Teen Spirit. Very much so. And they did lean on the 80s because, yeah, they did have everybody.

And that was Anthony Michael Hall, who was the principal, right? Yes. Sure was. Yeah, that's fun. If you think about it, though, even if it was 1991, it smells like teen spirit. So that's what, almost like 28 years ago, right? 27, 28 years ago? Somewhere on there.

There's no way that it was that long ago. Their parents are most likely in their late 30s, right? Because they have 16-year-olds. Somewhere on there, yeah. Yeah, and they were all, right. have 16-year-olds and they all seem to be the same age. And she and Alice got pregnant when she was, what, 16 with a chick, with a chick, fake, not bad chick. Right.

Dun! That chick, that chick person? But it seems like, it wasn't their brother. Let's say that they all had their kids when they were 20. Yeah, so they're all like 36. So when they were in high school, so which is your age. So how old? Yeah, so it would have been like the late night.

So yeah, that's the thing. They would have graduated in two. No, they would have been listening to fucking limp biscuit. There's no way. It doesn't make any sense. And I love it even more. I love the fact that they know how ridiculous this show is. That they just fucking, yeah, all right, man.

Yeah, sure. 80s, early 90s? Well, wait a minute. Yeah, they would have all. Yeah, they'd be my age. But no, no, no. No, because look, Luke, let's say, unless they're, look, Luke Perry was, we can,

fact check this because they were teens in the mid-90s, early 90s. Early 90s, yeah. Luke Perry was a teen. Well, he wasn't even a teen then, but if he, like, right? Because he was always too old to be on 902-10. Yes. Yeah, definitely. But if we were going with the timeline that Luke Perry was a quote-unquote teen in the early

90s and Skeet Ulrich's, Ulrich was a teen in the mid-90s, then, yeah, they're basically like Skeet Ulrich's age, but not Luke Perry's age. I also gotta say it's pretty remarkable that what were there like seven of them, eight of them, seven or eight? Actually, no, but then when you add the other crew, because there's like the six or seven of them and then the other crew of four, so you're saying that like ten of these people, all ten of these people in the Midnight Club, all conceived children in the same year. Yeah, yeah.

And all of them only had like one. One child each, except for F.B. Who had, you know, like, jelly bean. Because, yeah, Archie, Betty, Veronica, all only children. All only children. Yeah, and as far as, you know, Reggie, Dalton Doiley might be holding children. Yeah, Josie, she's an only child as well. Well, Betty has an older sister, though.

That's right. Yeah, I take that back. Betty does have an older sister. So, but that's the weird, that's even weirder. Because that means that Hal and Alice conceived before that. But all those people, all men. to conceive a child in that one year span 16 years ago. It doesn't make any sense.

Yeah, because that's the thing, is if it happened 16 years ago, that means all of them in 2002 all decided to douche and have a kid. Maybe it's part of the Midnight Club that we just aren't aware of. Maybe that was how it ended that they just didn't show that part. Ah, but they never spoke again. They never spoke of the Midnight Club again. They never spoke of the Midnight Club. I love everything about this episode.

This episode is so good. We learned a lot about Penelope Blossom. Oh, yeah. What is it about the Penelope Blossom? The Penelope Blossom, we found out that Penelope Blossom's mother was an orphan that the Blossom family plucked out when she was eight years old so she could be groomed into Clifford Blossom's wife. So she was his sister. And everyone knew they were brother and sister at the house. high school because everyone was like yeah Clifford your brother yeah and so interesting

retroactive foreshadowing of the brother-sister weird relationship between Cheryl and Jason and also interesting that Penelope Blasso sent Cheryl to the same nunnery from whence she came yeah yeah yeah but then at the same time does that mean that Claudius Clifford's secret evil twin brother did he go to the high school as well like Or was he like raised in the shadows? Like did was he also plucked from an orphanage? So maybe they were not actual brother and like. Jackie Claudius was raised by the sea.

So yeah. So they had him shipped him off. And then, um, she married her brother. This is way worse than like a clueless situation for sure. That's not like a Paul Rudd kind of thing. This is, um, that was that. that I had to like rewind back and watch it again

and was like wait wait wait wait wait wait wait what? And they were raised together as children and she tells us to all the other teens and they're all like wow interesting anyway what's your gossip like what you're a child prisoner oh yeah it's

real and they brought back the guy that played Jason Blossom to play Cliffer Blossom at the end when she's like I don't want to stay in Briarwood forever. It's just scary out there. That was Jason. And, you know, I know what it's like for a traumatizing event to like push you into a bad

relationship, but it never pushed me into a relationship with someone who's pretty much a sibling. No, no, no, no. I've done a lot of bad things when it comes to my loins for sure, but never that. So that's kind of nice. You know what? Good for all of us. Good for all of us.

Good for all of us. And good for all of us. Yeah. But can we talk about Reggie's nunchucks for a second? I miss Reggie's nunchucks. He had nunchucks. Well, Reggie's father, I guess. He had nunchucks the entire time.

And I was just like, wait a second. No one's going to bring this up. No one's going to ask why he had nunchucks. But I did think it was a, I thought it was a very funny, like, add-in that led to nowhere. Reggie was, Reggie's dad was in the Hiram Lodge squad. And Hiram Lodge's Hiram Lodge was played by the actor who plays Hiram Lodge's actual son, right?

Actually, I think he was the best actor in the entire episode. Absolutely. See, I was just about to say I thought he was garbage. I thought he was like super evil the entire time. And he looks just like Hiram Lodge. Yeah, he's the only one that looks like a younger version of him which like made it kind of unsettling.

Yeah, he did look a lot. Yeah, you're right. He was the only one that looked like, oh, poor. Cole Sprowse was really trying to channel the Skeet Ulrich like squint. And it was a little bit uncomfortable for me. I will say this. KJ. Appa did actually capture the Luke Perry earnestness quite well. He did.

He actually got the pouty. The poutiness really good. He did a really good job. But also, did they insinuate that Alice Cooper fucked Fred in that classroom? No, they only kissed. They had a burning moment, a burning moment of passion. Oh, okay. Because I wasn't sure because it was like,

damn girl. But also, can we just give a shout out to Lil' little? Riley Reinhardt playing at young Alice Cooper because smoke show, good Lord. That was the hottest she's ever been as far as I'm concerned. So much hotter than Dark Betty, you know? So much hotter and Dark Betty. I was like, I love this like Bad Betty, but it's not Dark Betty. It's like Bad Alice Cooper, you know, but oh yeah, she was a smoke show, absolutely.

Oh yeah, that was Bad Betty. So the plot of the episode is that, of course, the teacher, what is it, Hermione. Lodge, the mayor comes and says no one's playing, no one's playing griffons and gargoyles, and then Betty gets a call from Dr. Cuddle, and Dr. Curtle Jr., please. Excuse me, Dr.

Curl. Still for no reason that we have found out. I think the actor who played Dr. Cuddle had to have died. Yeah. Had to have died. Or they had to bring it, but, or they had to replace them because like Dr. Cuddle wouldn't give up that information. And they've got some long thread going. The question with Pribendale is always, is this

on purpose or is this on accident? That's my question. So Dr. Curdle Jr. tells Betty that he remembers a case way back in the day of another blue-lipped death. And so he gives Betty the file for principal featherhead. And he says somebody at the high school. So you think it's another high school. Yeah, you think it's another high schooler. You think it's another high schooler.

And then so Betty sits down and says, mom, tell me the truth. tell me what happened and they brew some tea. And super easily, but even after like they had this whole meeting and Alice Cooper is like, we can't ever tell anybody. She's just like, okay, I'll tell you the whole thing. Yeah. My meddlesome daughter, she needs to know. And then, of course, she tells, Alice Cooper tells the story of all of these people who

have been hanging out in Riverdale, turns out all their parents were friends back in the day and they were all in detention together for four weeks straight. And, ooh, that cat fight. Oh, that cat fight, that bathroom cat fight between Penelope Blossom and Hermione Lodge, played by young starlets. Oh, my God. Hubba, hubba. Bathroom cat fight.

That did it for you. Yeah. But did you also notice that young Sierra was writing end apartheid on the bathroom mirror? I did not notice your back. Well, she was the political one because when they were going through all the archetypal. because they all got detention. And Jugg or was it, FP and Fred got detention for streaking. And so when they-

They should have showed more of the streak. Can we just throw that out there? But when they're going through all the archetypes and they named Josie playing her mom, when they called her name, she raised the black power fist. Hell yeah. I did not notice end apartheid. That will help us look. locate the year, right?

So it has to be before apartheid fell, which was, what, 92 or 93? I'm thinking it's 90, 91. Yeah. I think that's what, if everything smelled like teen spirit, then it's going to be 91. It'd be 91.

Oh my God. And so Alice Cooper. Good detective work, guys. Yeah, I mean, we're really figuring this out. But then again, why was it so breakfast clubby? Because breakfast club was, what, 86? It's got to be a totally different. I think it's mid-80s, yeah,

I hung up on the difference between these two time periods. 85. 85. Oh, yeah, yeah, because I mean, all the music was definitely 80s. But at the same time, you know what, even though it didn't make sense, I really liked the mashup. I liked every single choice. It made me so happy. Yeah.

Yeah, because, you know, Alice, young Alice, was definitely dressed in like grunge style. Yeah, she was. And how surprising is the FP was a joke? Didn't he? He was all about Northside, not going for that South Side route. Yeah, he was trying to hide who he was. Oh, I will say, though, when they were playing forever young during the fuck scene between, like the young FP and young Alice,

I just, I died. I love that as a fuck song. I love that song so much. So Alice is pregnant with FP's child. She realizes it in the bathroom and immediately tells every other girl in the bathroom, which is not what you would do if you were 16 and you just found, out you're pregnant, she's like, oh, I'll just chat about this with all of the girls from my high school. And they all keep it a secret for her. And even though it almost comes out while

they're all playing secrets and sins. When they're all playing secrets and sins. Oh, man, that was a sexually tense game. Yeah. As it always is, as is what I don't know why they just can't play truth or dare like normal people in Riverdale, but they have to play secrets and sins. Yeah, because well, that's the thing. If you play truth or dare, then there's a possibility of a dare. but if you're playing secrets and sins, it's nothing but saucy. It's just secrets. I want to play secrets and sins now, though. I think that that should be the new game of playing it as an adult.

No one really wants to do a dare. Yeah, that's true. No, no one wants to do. Not anymore. Yeah, people just want to sit there and tell their spiciest secrets, which is what that was. Oh, yeah. I will say, though, that everyone, I think looked better dressed as their parents. And I'm throwing that out there.

I'm even saying Cheryl Blossom. I thought that she was really sexy as a girl. nerd. Yeah, I liked it. I'd have to disagree on that. Yeah. Yeah, I like, I like bombshell. Bomb Shell Cherry, yeah. Oh, my God, just her lips. But it was weird to see her without the lips. I liked the fake braces, too.

I thought that they did a good job of, like, nerd and her up a little bit. And yet she still ended, like, the whole game, or like, when they were starting the whole larping part, when she's like, I'm just in the mood for a little chaos. I was like, yeah, there's that blossom in there. I know you're adopted, but you're Stella Blossom. If we can just, so a couple of issues I have with the plot of this episode. And again, it was my favorite episode.

Plot issues. Plot issues, come on. Because we've been led to think from this meeting a couple of episodes ago that all the adults had where they're like, we can never speak of this. You know, it's this big secret. Basically, the story is, right, they all have detention. They start, they find in the, like, confiscated drawer for the teachers. While Hermione is breaking into the drawer to find her game lad. Game lad.

Oh, God. Sometimes things like that, I was like, God damn it, Riverdale. All right. They find a griffons and gargoyles manual, and they start playing it. They get more and more into it, and then they start larping. And that's basically the gist of it. And, you know, I guess what, Riverdale, sometimes it just doesn't really decide what is actually happening in the, and so I walked away from this episode. And we can talk about what happened to principal feather bottom, but.

Featherhead. But I guess I really thought going into this that Griffins and Gargoyles had some kind of mythical, had some kind of mythical, magical quality and that and that that was yeah Molly it's evil it's evil right but it's no clearer after this episode what happened

no nothing was cleared up absolutely nothing was cleared up the only thing that we got from this was that the same thing happened you know back in 91 and and then they all just even though none of them did anything wrong they were just larp and in the school when a principal died there.

They were on drugs. If they were not on drugs, it would be a different story. Yes. So they decide not to tell anyone because they were on drugs. Because they were on fizzle rocks. Because they were on fizzle rocks. And that, I guess I just at the end, I was like, wait, what? That's the thing?

Yeah, so they've been LARP in the school for weeks. And then they find that another group has also been LARPing as well. And that group is made up of, you know, Hiram Lodge, Dilton Doyley's father, Reggie's father, and Kevin's father. Yeah, Sheriff Keller. Yeah, Sheriff Keller. How did those guys know about Griffin's? They found it in the restricted section of the library. Library.

Dilton Doyley's father, Daryl Doyley, found it in the restricted section of a high school library. So why were the, where do the manuals come from the first place? Well, that's what we're trying to figure out because that's the thing is that they finally one night, the whole thing culminates with the ascension, is that they all get these really nice handmade letters saying the ascension shall be happening. And then whoever is behind all this set up a nice snack spread for all of them. Which was really delightful. I think that I saw some fun sodas there as well. And it wasn't Cheryl, even though, I mean, it wasn't Penelope.

It wasn't Penelope and it wasn't Daryl. It wasn't either one of them. Whoever it was was the same guy who left the chalices. Flip for your fate. Flip for your fate. And for some reason, Principal feathered. Head.

Head. Principal feather head went into the girl's bathroom. Well, yeah, because what happened is they were, of course, what is it, Hiram Lodge brought along some fizzle rocks, which apparently comes in a nice, It's just pop rocks because he just put him in his mouth and then drank a bottle Coke, like a glass bottle Coke. And then they all started acting wacky. The only person who didn't get high was Alice because she was pregnant.

And so she's worn around. She's got to throw up because everyone's acting all weird and such. And she's pregnant. So she's got to throw up. She goes to the bathroom and she finds two chalises and all over the end of, whoever it was that set this whole thing up, had time to go in and right flip for your fate. looks like 500 times on the walls of the bathroom. And then Betty laughed and she and principal feather bottom came, possibly because the Fredheads, the band that,

and by the way, all these guys were in a band this whole time? Yeah. Did Fred Andrews ever talk about having done music in the past? No, but that's beside the point. All these guys were in a band. They had all hung out enough together to learn Dawkins' dream warriors. And to play it pretty well. And by the way, F.P. is playing drums with a broken hand.

Oh, my God. I love him so much. Yeah. And, yeah, so they, at the very, I mean, that being in a band is definitely a stronger bond than fucking playing a role-playing game together. I'll say that much. But, so it was probably, he was probably taken to the high school because there were a bunch of kids playing, like, amps and drums, like full volume. So he shows up with a flashlight that looks like it's from 1934. And then that's when Betty just jets. And did you guys notice when she was at school the next day, did you guys notice that fucking monster hicky on Hermione's neck?

Yeah, and they did not make mention of it. I was just like, bring up the hicky. Yeah. It's huge. Monster fucking hickie. Who did Hermione Lodge get it from? Well, when they left, wasn't, who was Hermione hooking up? with at the end of the night because wasn't she

she hooking up because everybody was just kind of up with FP yeah I think she was hooking up with that because everybody was just kind of fucking F.P. I was going to kiss her and she's like you're not going to kiss me are you which also girl kiss him but I think I thought like in the fuck state of the of their fizzle rocks

I seem to remember she was kissing Reggie's father. Yes she was kissing Reggie's father and I think Fred Andrews was kissing Penelope Blossom right? Yeah. I need to go back and watch this. I just like watch that over and over and over again.

Just be like, yeah, yeah. Because I feel like they did get, like, when you're saying about capturing the drug-like state where it's like, if you're on a lot of stuff, that is exactly where you're just like, I don't know. I'm just this one. Okay. Yeah. I want a kiss too.

Yeah. No, you're right. And the kind of, they did a good job of capturing the kind of like the aftermath of it. be like, oh shit, I don't even, I don't even really, we can't even really do like an audit of everything that happened and that they're all so guilty because, well, they were all larping. Fred Andrews' father died. Poor Fred.

I was, I was playing, I was on drugs. I was high and he died alone. Also, can we talk about the fact that Pops back in the day had a six-person booth? Which it does not have in the present day. So they remodeled. And then they found out that, because that night, Principal Featherbottom, or Featherhead, God damn, Ferryhead, I hate it. Principal Featherhead goes missing and weeks go by.

No one knows where Principal Featherhead is until the flies come. It starts smelling like a corpse in ice. And the smell comes and they open the closet under the stairs and out comes the corpse of Principal Featherhead. That was legitimately spooky. And his lips were blue. But at the same time, if the principal of a high school is missing, don't you think they'd check the high school? Well, maybe, but looking underneath that, who would think to look in that closet? Who would think the principal's probably in there?

Yeah, I mean, you are definitely right about that. But also, I don't mean to throw this question out here, because again, you know, there's never any plot issues in Riverdale. But why did they need to larp and do drugs at the high school? That was my question as well, is why did they need? The only thing that I could think of is that they couldn't take the game out of the high school because they had to put it back in, what was the crab apple? Yeah, Mrs. Crabapple. They were a Mrs. Crabapple.

They found it Mrs. Crabapple's drawer. Maybe they had to put the game back into the drawer at the end of the night. I mean, I assume it's for the same reason that all of the news in the town comes from the high school paper. It's just like everything happens at the high school. Because they have to be there, Earl, nothing exists. Oh, God, season four. Season four is going to be about the power of the high school.

Have you guys never noticed that we found Griffons and Gargoyles at the high school? And do you have to notice? Oh, my God, please. I would love that. Make the high school be haunted and evil as well. Because Lord knows where this show is going to go. Because none of the mythical questions have been. answered, who set out the chalices?

Who wrote all of, is it a person or is it a magic power? Is it a gargoyle? That's what Betty's investigation is going to be all about. She's going to have to find out who is it? Who's behind all this? But the thing is that Betty is going to have to do it alone because Jughead

is in the thrall of griffins and gargoyles. Don't go back in the bunker. Don't go in the bunker. What are you doing, Jughead? He's a level three and he's going to Meet the Gargo King. Because it means, what is, yeah?

I'm level three. So it's so soon before I can ascend. And then I'm gonna beat him. No, you're not, Jughead. I love you, baby. I love your face. But you're not strong enough to beat him. Did he say beat?

I thought he said meet. Or be him. I don't know. I thought he said meet him. Because in, so I actually went back and I put on the subtitles. And I said beat him. But I still am not sure if it was beat, meat, or be him. I think, interesting.

I think that, I like Marcus, thought he said, meet. Yeah. Okay. But you turned on the closed captioning. Yeah, so I'm not, but at the same time, you know that sometimes that stuff is not right. Yeah, sometimes they get it wrong. Yeah, sometimes they do get it wrong. All I know is that I want to go to Ascension Night.

Can we have one? I'm sure all across, you know what I would really enjoy? join is that if this, because, you know, Riverdale's very popular amongst the kids. Oh, it is. Oh, the kids do like it. Young kids. I would love it if this, like, created an RPG renaissance. Well, I think that maybe that's happening with Stranger Things and Dungeons and Dragons, right?

Yeah, but Riverdale's more for the kids. Yeah. Stranger Things is more for us. Riverdale's for the kids. Yeah, you're right. Oh, yeah, except for, I feel like that we are, I think it might be for adults. I know a 12-year-old, and she's like, She's like, why are you watching that show?

It's like, because it's awesome and sexy and you should watch it too. She's like, no, don't want to. Well, I think that's just her because all of the Comic-Cons that I've gone to recently, like going to New York Comic-Con and San Diego Comic-Con, fucking filled with kids cosplay Riverdale characters. Yeah, kids like Riverdale for sure. Hell yeah, I'm proud of them. Also, I feel like we just didn't touch upon this.

How amazing is it that Sheriff Kelle's. and Sierra McCoy were together in high school and then he went off. You know what? It's not amazing. I take it back. He goes off to fight in a war? Or is he just in ROTC? I would bet that would be golf war.

The Gulf War? The war we had back in the early 90s. I know. Sheriff Keller is a Gulf War better. So he asked her to wait for him and then bitch goes and marries a musician. Marries a jazz musician. That's what she did. He was waiting for her.

And then he just takes her back now that they're adults now that he can. I'm not saying that you should leave somebody, especially if you're, if they, you know, are, if they're a soldier, if they're brought, there's like a lot. I agree with you that what Sierra did is fucked up. However, if he wasn't in the ROTC, if he wasn't a military veteran, if we took that part out, I would say props to Sierra for getting with somebody who she didn't go to high school with

because not that there's anything wrong with getting with somebody who you went to high school with I have a number of friends who are high school sweethearts and married and have kids and are happily still together and I think that it's awesome but in Riverdale it seems that they have a problem where they never met anyone

they didn't go to high school with yeah so did Fred Andrews go to is Molly Ringwald somewhere around there I was wondering where Molly Ringwald was I know she's over at the other She's over at the 16th and Candles High School in a different universe, you know? Slightly older than him, I guess.

Yeah, yeah. And did Fred Andrews pawn his guitar at school? Yeah. You're damn right he did. So that he can go start, what is it? Like knocking rocks back, like the way my father did. Breaking rocks for the family business. Oh, my God.

He's so loyal, though. I think that watching this flashback made me fall in love also with Fred Andrews. I think that KJ. Appa as Fred Andrews is more sympathetic than Lupery as Fred Andrews. You know, you guys know me. I've been a Fred Andrews guy from the beginning. Yeah, you have been. But I will say, KJ. Epa, he looks a lot better with his normal dark hair. Yeah. Yeah. Instead of the weird red bleach. Yeah, when you know that it's definitely, definitely fake. Also, we did make mention of the fact the loser-lover cast that FP was wearing. Yes, the it reference was, that was nice.

Yeah. It was a really cute reference. I got to say, yeah, I mean, I loved this episode for many reasons. And even though I just said that it is perhaps, you know, that some of these kids should meet, that the adults should have met somebody out that they didn't go to high school with, I actually do feel like it captures the small towniness of it pretty well. And I feel like it actually brings, you know, the kind of community of it and the small towniness is like kind of legit. And like if there was just a more smattering of siblings, then the fact that all of these guys had kids in the same grade wouldn't be so weird.

Yeah. Because it's like, yeah, a lot of the times, you know, if you are kind of, if you grow up and then you stay in the same town and you're kind of on the same like career life schedule, it makes sense. You kind of have kids around the same time. And I got it. I was like deeply charmed by this episode. And it made me like all of the adults way more to see them what they were like as kids. Yeah, right. Yeah.

That makes them a little bit more three-dimensional. Yeah. to see like their changes and like what like that this thing like kind of screwed all of them up pretty badly. Yeah, they're all experienced an incredible trauma and guilt that they have been carrying with them for years. Well, and I also wonder if it puts in the seeds into the plot of watching Hermione Lodge change because she's like, oh, I want the power of being with Hiram Lodge because you know, he's also, you know, a hot, young, rich kid. But I feel like it plants the seeds of we should not, I don't think that Hermione is going to be taken advantage of. We know now that Kelly

Rippa is she's playing Mark Insweil, Hiram Lodge's mistress in the season, which is his real wife in real life. Didn't know that. Hot, hot, hot. So I feel like that Hermione Lodge is going to flip this script on him at some point and take that fucking power back. I think that that's where the seeds, I don't know if that's what they meant to do, but that's how I took it. I'm like, if she could change like that and be a chameleon for power. I bet you she ain't going to let him fucking drag her through the mud. I got it. Hermione Lodge, prison warden.

She's taking the prison. And mayor? It's fairerdale. She's going to control everything, taking it all the way from Hiram. Because they were going to try to open that prison so she'd be like, I have experience almost opening a prison. Prison's still coming. The prison set the whole point of Hermione Lodge being mayor is to build a prison. Oh, you mean Shanksha?

Yeah. Forget about Shanksha. Oh, yeah, baby. Shanksha's coming. But also, especially once F.P.'s ex, Gina Gershawn comes in as, like, a shady businesswoman, watching the two of them go head to head I'm also very excited about. Oh, my God, guys, it's going to be a great season. It's going to be a great season.

And this episode was so good. I hope that everyone out there felt as sexy as I felt while I was watching it, Because this is what, like, I needed this episode. Yeah. I needed this episode. Enough that I had to say that twice. Well, we'll be back next week with, we're getting back to the main Riverdale timeline with Chapter 40, the Great Escape. Wonder what this one's going to be about.

Oh, yeah. Prison break. Get out of that. Prison break. Get out of the Jube. Yeah. I can't wait for it. Oh, hell, guys.

Oh, we'll talk to you next week. Goodbye.