Page 7 - Riverdale Roundup Vol. 29: What's Your Damage?

Episode Date: March 27, 2019

Jackie and Molly recap the musical episode Chapter Fifty-One: BIG FUN and discuss dance-offs, Jackie's blue balls and Jughead singing. Join our bad daddy brigade! www.patreon.com/page7podcast Intro song by Green Dreams greendreams.bandcamp.com/music Subscribe to SiriusXM Podcasts+ to listen to new episodes of Page 7 ad-free.Start a free trial now on Apple Podcasts or by visiting siriusxm.com/podcastsplus. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

are about to have some. We have a musical episode to discuss. My name is Jackie Zabrowski. My name is Molly Neffle. And we've got things to say about chapter 51, big fun, Heather's the musical. I, you know what? Okay, I'm going to go ahead and say, in the first 20 minutes of this, it was like, I hate this. I'm out.

No, not into it. Because this is also hard confession. I didn't really like the episode, the Carrie, the musical episode last year. And I don't think I remember truly confessing that last year because so much happened. But the musical part of it left me lacking. But honestly, by the end of this episode, I was all aboard the musical express. How did you feel? I'm glad.

So Jackie and I, listeners should know, we have not talked about our feelings before we started recording. Whatsoever. We don't, we jump right in. We jumped right in. We don't know. We watched it separately.

We don't know how each other feels. Yeah. So I hated. I fucking hated the Carrie episode. I hated it. I was like, I love musicals and I love Riverdale. Why do I hate this?

But I hated it. And so I was dreading watching Riverdale, Heather's musical. I was like putting it off. Like on Sunday, Giddy was like, do you want to watch it? And I was like, no. No.

I was actually dreading it. And then, you know, it's interesting that took you 20 minutes. It took me much less time this time. Like the opening number. Really? Yeah, the opening number. I was like, you know, I don't hate it. And I don't know what the change was because it's still the exact same painful musical

theater feeling of the first episode. But we both love musicals. We both love musicals. But there's just like I come to Riverdale for. my like spicy sexy 25 year olds playing teenagers drama I don't come for a musical you know and

and also like I I do love musicals but like not to be a purest or anything but like I I please tell us your purest thoughts I need to hear them I have to know I'm afraid that's going to sound like the biggest

dick thing to say on earth but like I've never been really this is so annoying but like I I never liked Glee or like, and I'm not no, I know some people love Glee. I know that sacralic. There's a lot of people that love Glee, but also I couldn't get into Glee either. I completely understand. And I never really watched high school musical, so I don't know whether I would have liked it or not.

But like the, like, modern popular television musical as a genre has never done it as much for me as like, you know, PBS production of like a live taping of a concert of the music of lay miss and a bunch. bunch of people standing on stage. You know, like, I like, like, stay. I like, I like, you know, musical theater and, and TV musicals feel like something a little different to me. Yeah. And I like musical episodes. Like, I like, I think we talked about this last time with Carrie.

Like, I like, like the State by the Bell episodes where they were, like, in bands and everything was musical. But there's something about the cast, break, kind of breaking the fourth wall and having the cast sing that makes, that made me feel especially. during the Carrie episode made me feel extremely embarrassed. And I don't know whether I've just lost, have nothing left to be embarrassed about with Riverdale anymore, but I was just less embarrassed for them this time. Yeah, but also because most of them can sing. So they do have that going for them. And I feel like, see, I didn't know that Heather's had a musical. I did, of course,

love the movie, but I don't keep up on the new musicals nowadays, which I ended up going back and listening to after I watched this episode because I feel like it did more seamlessly like where they just like their emotions were too high that they had to burst into song. Yeah. Was there way more than it was in the Carrie episode. Yeah. Yes. Yes. Agree. And it worked right. Like I've right. And I also, in addition to loving musicals in Riverdale, I also love Carrie and Heather's. And but, and so I thought I would like the Carrie musical. But it didn't, yeah, it just felt like so, it just felt like so, like, what is going on here? Whereas for some reason, with Heather's, it worked, like the songs really worked in terms of the plot and they, like, worked it in with dialogue

at a very musically way. And also the costumes and everything, I was totally there for. I loved Cheryl as the main HBIC. And I think, but I did, I kind of hated that it was Betty and Veronica as her like back up Heather's bitches though. Yeah, I felt weird about that too because I was like, this, these three, I've always liked that those three become a united front when need be. Like when an outside threat is there,

the three of them unite. But the three of them have not been even remotely a united front for like the whole season because. A while. Yeah. But it makes sense because Cheryl and T.D. had broken up right before this episode that of course they would come together as a front because that's when Cheryl needs it.

She uses everyone like her little pawns whenever she needs them. And so that's why we should start talking with Cheryl and Titi, baby. Yes. What's going on with them this episode? Oh, my God. How about step into my candy store? How about the dance off, the choreo dance off between Cheryl and Titi? That's when I was one.

Yeah. That's when I was like, okay, I'm here for it. Yeah, that's, I definitely said out loud to Gideon, you know, I always love a dance off, you know? Like I think that once there's a dance off, I was like, any reservations I had about this are gone because there is now a choreography dance off. And it's about choreography. It's about the fact that T.T.

is apparently a fly girl, which we have never known before. She's never danced once before. And they're like, oh, yeah, T.T. is like a hip-hop dancer. So she comes in and she's going to choreograph the, and I love, also, I love, I love, the musical theater nerd in me loves that they get. a set and costumes before they've planned any choreography. Any choreography. Also, the fact that they had a cast party in costume before even the week of the show.

You can't wear your costume to a party? What if you spill something on it? No. And also, meanwhile, cut to my mom furiously backstage sewing things right before we're like about to go on stage, which is essentially what high school theater actually is. Yes. Yeah. The set and the costumes may become.

the week before, you know, like the hell week, the week before the show. And I love in Riverdale. They're just like everything looks perfect. We have a huge budget, even though there's only like 16 kids in this entire production. And, and now that we've got the set and the costumes ready, now we will bring in T.T.T. for the choreo. And Cheryl refuses to be choreographed by T.T. Oh, my God. And when, oh, my God. when Evelyn Edgar ever, when Evelyn, oh God, so difficult to say, Evelyn Edgar, Evelyn Ever Never, goes into the bathroom to like bring out Cheryl and she's like, go look at Titi and Titi's just wearing all red.

I am red. I invented red. I was just like, have, like, I wanted another angry fuck scene between the two of them, like right there in the middle of the hallway, which she told her she had to be out of the school by Monday. Well, and what was it that Cheryl said when Evelyn came in? She was like, she said, I can't remember the greeting, but she said, you know, something like, hello. What's your damaged child of the corn?

What's your damaged child of the corn? I was like, man, I love Cheryl. This is the lines from Riverdale that keep you coming back. What's your damaged child of the corn? Child of the corn. That line was fucking perfect. Maybe so maybe because also Cheryl's just the kind of character man she just fucking says it like it is Which also T T T T T T T T you should have known this one getting into a relationship with Cheryl that's a forever relationship

Or she gonna fucking kill your ass yes that's true T T T T T T T T T T T T T's very tough but she's looking at Cheryl like why are you acting so unseasonable and it's like this is what Cheryl does look at her you know she's unreasonable you guys were a powerhouse together But then, so that keeps going, and it's just like them going against each other via musical songs. And then what about the, oh my God, the song when Titi's like, you know what, screw you, Cheryl. And then she goes and pulls in, I guess her name is Peaches and Sweetpee and was going to

have a threesome on the stage with the three of them while singing. And the fact that she stopped it, I have now. never had such blue balls in this show in my entire life. I was just like, please have sex. Please all three of you have sex with each other. You're all beautiful and I want to watch you make fuck. It really was an example of yet another often during Riverdale. I'm just so glad that all the actors are in their mid-20s.

And the woman who was going to be in the threesome with T.T. Who, yeah, I don't think we'd ever met before. Peaches. She just took all her clothes off and was standing on stage. She was hot as hell. And then Sweet P is like, yeah, all right, let's do this. And then it's all a song. And then T.T.'s like, uh, stop, I can't do this.

Because I love that because I feel like that really does. It shows not only teenager feelings, but also adult feelings. I feel like I've been there before. It's like, okay, you want to break up with me? You want to break up with me? I'm going to go fuck these two very attractive people. And then you're going to, then you're going to be upset. But no, you end up being the only one upset.

even if they're with hot people, usually like, oh, maybe I shouldn't have done that. Maybe I shouldn't have fucked them on the high school stage. But like during rehearsal hours, it seems like. Well, during the middle of the day at school. Yeah, middle of the day at school. And yeah, so that's, I mean, that was a great example of how the songs worked for that plot line with Cheryl and T. And the whole framing of the musical also was, I think it worked better this time

because first of all, they're going in with the baggage of Kevin having feeling responsible for Midge's death. For Midge. She was killed on stage during the last musical. And then also Evelyn, Child of the Corn, Horning in and basically being like, oh, I'm in like the co-directing this with Kevin and using the, musical as an opportunity to like, you know, bond the cast to the farm rather than just to each other. And so that also made, like, it just seemed like there was a purpose. Like, the first episode, I was like, none of these people have ever, like, none of them do musical.

Like, there's no, why are they doing this? And in this. In this episode, it made so much sense because I'm, like, over any suspension of disbelief. I'm like, sure, Archie's in a musical. Fine. But, like, but like, but like. Also fangs. I love that. Fang's and Sweet Pea are always in the musicals now. I know. I know. And I don't even think they were, I can't even remember if they were there when Midge was killed. But Fangs is like, yeah, I'm really traumatized by it.

But the whole- No, because I remember Fangs was with Midge. Fangs was with Midge. I thought that other guy was with Midge, Moose. No, it was a member because Moose ended up going with Kev, but like he was kind of with her. But I remember like Fangs was backstage with Midge, which is why everyone thought it was Fang that killed Midge. Oh, thank you.

I had forgotten about that. Yeah, so that's what I remember with the whole like a town riot and everything when they like were going after fangs and wanted fangs to be dead. Oh, okay. I think I didn't really know who fangs was the way that I know him now. He was very new at that point. But right. So the whole thing is framed by Evelyn using the show as a vehicle to can, to get close to people so that she can like bring them into the farm. And that's another element that makes the whole.

structure of it work because it's like everyone's singing their songs together, but there's like this nefarious underlying alternative motivation coming from both Kevin and Evelyn. Because it works so much better than it did with Carrie and the Black Hood because because the two didn't go together, but Heather's worked so well with someone just like plotting to take over, which we will get into, oh my God, all of that. But also, how great was Cheryl and Titi, how happy I am that they got back together. I was like, yes, yes, please get back together. But also that song, 17.

How great is that song? Yeah, that was good. Right. The song where they all kind of start singing about their, how they still want to be kids again. And, you know, they have gone through, the children of Riverdale have gone through a number of traumas, you know, as we've established,

Archie has been buried alive. They've survived cereal. killer and like a cult, you know, leader and all this. And so it starts, yeah, with Cheryl and Titi, you know, kind of coming back together and being like, we don't actually even really want to break up. And then parallel to that, Betty and Jughead, not to jump ahead. Which, oh, man, how do... Jughead sing.

The second he opened his mouth to sing, because as you know, of the episode last year, refused to be a part of it. And I said, I don't care. I supported Jughead for not singing. How much money did they pay him to make him sing? Because he knew they knew everyone wanted it. How much

money did they pay him to make him sing? So, so Cole's, we know for a fact that it wasn't just Doughead's character, it was Cole Sprow saying no, I won't sing. I, yes. Yeah, no, that was straight up. That was actually him saying he's like, I do not sing, I don't want to sing. And I

I actually found this interview, which I feel like was a lot of like boy shade, but also not boy shade. It was KJ. Apa and Reggie they were being interviewed. And KJ. Apa said, I'm excited for them to see Cole sing for sure. I think we're all excited that he's finally going to be a part of the musical, which I feel like was him being like, oh, this boy don't want to do this. And he is being forced to do this because the fans really wanted it. And then Spruce said, honestly, at this point, Riverdale is whatever it is week to week. So the musical episode seems pretty right on target for the narrative of our show.

Just throwing all of the shade at the show of the fact that it doesn't make any sense anyway. So I guess I'll just be a part of it. Oh, because that's the thing is that I do, of course, I love my juggy, but it seems that he is just as broody and stuck up in real life as he is in the show, which I think is why he's so good at it. Uh-huh, yeah, I think that that works. I was, I was just, I was dreading it because I was like, I know he doesn't want to sing. It's so clear the jughead, the character doesn't want to sing.

Like, it doesn't work for Jughead the way that it works for Archie because Archie is just like, yeah, whatever, you know, like down for anything. Like watching Archie dance, it's embarrassing, but it still makes sense kind of in a way, or at least it did to me this time more than last time. But Jughead, they were in that fucking trailer, and I was just like, don't sing, Jughead, don't sing, don't sing, don't give in, Juggie. And then he opened his mouth and sang, and I found it extremely uncomfortable. That part was I actually started suspending my disbelief again,

because I was just so hung up on the fact that Jugg had didn't sing last time and did sing this time. But you know what? Not a bad voice. So this is, Gideon and I got into a big fight about this. How? Because I was like, none of these voices are real. And he was like,

when you talk about, of course all the voices are real. They're real. They sound so fake. And I know that it's probably auto tune or whatever, but like it sounds like overdone. Like it does not sound like any, to me, any of them.

It does not sound like any of their voices singing. No, but it is actually. actually them because I looked into it and they did go into the studio. I think that they put a lot of josh on it. But they all did really sing it. Even Jughead, man, his voice during his song, I was like, this is painful. It does not sound like him at all. It sounds like somebody with a totally different voice.

It's him. Or at least that's what they're claiming. So I'll take that to the bank. I know that they did all go in and do all of the recordings of it because I guess the recordings of it took a lot longer this time than it did with Carrie the musical. And I think that was something that, Cheryl Blossom was saying in an interview essentially like, yeah, we didn't put enough

effort into it last year. So I think that they like doubled up the amount of work and time they put into it, which is why I think it did sound so good, but also why it didn't really sound like them. It just sounds, yeah, I don't know what it is. I was just like really struggling with the part last time and this time both, even though I liked this episode a lot better. Every time they sing, it just sounds like so like Mickey Mouse Club, like he, yeah, like the like the voice like oh, I can't cope.

Honestly, it was until because I, all right, also confession time, usually she sings really well, but I didn't like Josie's singing in this episode. I thought it was very like, ah, ha, ha, ha, and I just, I sounded more like whining than singing. And I was like, but Josie, I usually love your voice. And I just was not into it in this episode. Yeah, she sounded different in this episode. All the voices just sounded so overproduced and so, yeah, so kind of bubblegummy, Mickey Mousey. But maybe that's just how they had to make it sound like they were singing.

Like they were singing and then make it sound good, I guess. I guess. And that was so upset. I was like, this has to all be fake voices. And Gideon was like pointed me towards the making of Heather's the musical. production on YouTube. Oh, there was a thing on it. There was a Riverdale made making of like behind the scenes so you can watch how they did it.

And he was like, if you're such a skeptic, watch how they did it, which I have not done and probably won't do because I have a really weird feeling whenever I see the actors of Riverdale be themselves because I don't want to see it. Like when Cheryl, when the actress who plays Cheryl is just being herself, I'm like, no, no, you don't exist. You only exist as Cheryl. She's so bubbly. See, I do follow all of them on Instagram.

fairly closely. But what I do, because I watch all that stuff, though, because I love seeing how close of friends they all really are. And that's very sweet.

And I like all, there's just so, it's like, I don't have this with most other shows, but like, they're so, I know them only, since I know them only as the characters,

and I don't know any of them except for Cole Spouse as from any other work they've ever done. Like, I, it weird, it gives me like a sense of disorientation when I see them being like,

not Cheryl. I'm like, you can't, be not Cheryl, you only are Cheryl, you know? You only are Cheryl. Same with KJ. Appa when he speaks in his New Zealand accent, it really really freaks me out. I will say that I was upset that they didn't use like, fuck me gently with a chainsaw or what's, what's the other like big line from Heather's? Did you have a brain tumor for breakfast?

Like those iconic lines from Heather's? I was a little upset that they didn't include that, but I figured that they couldn't. Yeah, or I love my dead gay son. Yeah, and which is, I mean, maybe that's a little too touchy for right now, and especially since, like, Hermione Lodge said, I can't believe you're doing a musical about teenage suicide, which, yeah, I mean, you know, you're right with a bunch of violence in it. But it makes sense, at least.

Yeah, I guess that's, yeah, I guess that's true. It walked, yeah, I feel like Riverdale, you know, Riverdale works because it's like, well, it is a show about teens, exposed to endless trauma, it's actually just about, there's nothing serious about it at all. Yeah, it's absolutely ridiculous. Like how Jughead was acting when it came to his childhood trailer being stolen and used as a fizzle rocks lab, which I feel like of all of the things that are going on, you being upset that, I mean, I know that it sucks because it is his childhood home being used as a fizzle rock slab

but also bigger picture here, you know? Yeah. Just more be upset that it's a fizzle rock lab. You know that it's going to happen. At least you know exactly where it is and like how to get in and destroy it. I just can't believe that these fuckers didn't learn their lesson. I know it's two different characters than before. But once again, we are burning drug lab equipment.

It didn't work last time. It didn't work this. It's not going to work this time. It feels like even though it's different characters, it feels like I actually got a little annoyed with Riverdale because it felt like a plot recycling point. Like we already did this. We already burned all the drug materials and it went wrong. And now they're burning all the drug materials again. It feels silly. But also it was really silly because like they're so Jughead and Betty are about to leave to go to the musical and Gladys Jones and FP are getting ready to go to and then Gladys watch it.

Like where are you guys going? They're like, oh, we just got a thing to do before we get to the musical. And then that is the exact time that the trailer is exploded. And then they show up at the musical covered in dirt. Do you really not think that very smart murderer Gladys Jones is not going to figure out who did this? Do it in another time when you don't have your mother watching you leave the house to go and do it. Although I will say, baller fucking move to set a Fizzle Rock Slab on Fire. and then immediately fuck in the car in front of the fire.

Baller move. Bit of a baller move. And then go to a musical and have Jughead be in the musical without ever having attended a single rehearsal. No, he's just in it. He's just doing it. But of course, they had to do that to set up for the big ending because everybody had to see this. So let's back up. Let's get into the farm part of this episode, shall we?

Because I think the most important things we need to talk about are the ending. because damn and the big fun party scene hosted by the farm Oh my God do we have things

to discuss Let's talk about Kevin We need to talk about Kevin We have to save this boy We have to save him We have to save him But I will say Love the poofy hair

Yeah yeah that was a good look So as we all know The musical is being produced by the farm. And then on top of it, Evelyn Evernever comes in as the co-director as well with Kev. And Kev is already being taken over by the farm. So then you got this bitch coming in here. Also working with him, which Kevin likes to work alone. And we all fucking know that.

Betty said, Kevin, you always direct the musical by yourself. Always, I think is just once. But, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's always. It's always. Now it's canon. And it did result in the death of a student.

But I love that that didn't stop them from continuing to produce another musical. Hell no. And also about teenage murder, which is it juicy? Let's put it on the stage. So we know that Evelyn has nefarious plans. She starts it off, although I will say, I have done plays like that before where everyone's like laying on the where you do, it's like the viewpoints thing of like tapping into the other parts of your body and like going through the things that make you like have breakdowns. I've done that before. So I actually

get why she's using that as a tactic to get into their brains, even though at first it ain't working. Definitely. No, it was actually very clever to be like, listen, all of the bonding of like theater is like cult adjacent enough that I can just swoop. bit here and kind of redirect your actor method psychology work to being work that we do in the service of getting you into the farm. Because it's very similar to what, remember when Alice went through this when she was joining the farm, when she told them all of her secrets. Right.

So they like to have that stuff over them. But I was wondering, I was like, okay, so this ain't working. Bitch got to fucking change it up, which she does by having a cast party at the farm before the musical in full costume, which that was a bit of a stretch. I get it. They were trying to get the musical number down. They're trying to get the big fun to happen. However, hell no, I wouldn't show up at that, but I love that it was filled with booze and filled with drugs. So obviously the farm does not have a problem with any of those things. Well, that was one thing, as much as I was completely ready on this episode

to suspend my disbelief about basically everything. The fact that Evelyn is like, let's all go out to the farm, which is also these sisters of quiet mercy and do this party. And you can see in this shot, Archie in the background just being like, yeah, all right, great.

And I'm like, fucking Archie, Betty's your best friend. And she's certainly been talking to you about all of her. You certainly know that Betty's mother has been like abducted by the, farm and like and so is Kevin and so is half the fucking town yes and half the fucking town and so the fact that the kids who haven't been who are also again betty's best friends are just like yeah

let's go out to the farm that sounds fun like you know without an explicit i mean betty had her plan to kind of go and like you know she went skeptically suss out the situation but everyone else it's like yeah let's go fucking take all these drugs at the farm like they don't have reason to understand that that's exactly what the farm does get people all fucked up on drugs and then seduce them. Right. And then so she gives Kevin the Brownie, which you're in the middle of directing a musical. I'm assuming that this means it's probably the night before the show.

And she gives the director a fucking crazy times brain brownie. What do you do? Like you don't do that. She obviously doesn't care about the show. And that's what I'm saying. Everybody can't get hammered and make a bunch of mistakes the night before a show. That's why. do the cast party after the show so everybody can get fucked up and make all their mistakes

and not to see each other in rehearsal the next day yes and also again not in costume what if you spill that bright blue liquid on your costume they were all drinking the same drinks oh god the jello shots but do you think that there was something else in those drinks like she did give the the mushroom brownie to kevin but like as soon as i saw that there was like only one's tray of drinks and that they all looked the same i was like oh they're drugging everybody right now wonder what it is because I feel like, obviously it has something to do with fizzle rocks, but I don't know if you noticed in the background of big fun, in like the big scene of it, there was a girl dressed as a gargoyle king with like the headpiece on, like partying with

everybody else, which that is not a part of the musical and the fact that the jello shots were blue, like what they drink from the gargol king cups and that would people die from. Yep. So I wonder if it's a light dosing of whatever that is, because obviously G&G and the farm are going to come together at some point. Definitely. So was that a way to get them into the game as well as the farm, or is it just another way in that, like, is G&G the way into the farm,

the way like drinking and sinning is also the way into the farm? I think that we have to go, we have to jump to what happens. happens at the end because I don't know how to make sense of what happens. But before we jump to what happens in the end, we have to discuss the private rehearsal they were having at the Queen, the sisters of quiet mercy. Yes, you're right. Yes. Because Betty finds out that there's a private rehearsal. So this is also after the big party that they have. They share their secrets, which I also think that part of them getting like part of Evelyn's idea of getting them fucked up was to have them. make mistakes, like Josie and Archie being way more open with them kissing, like Veronica and Reggie getting back together to make the sins happen for them to have something to confess.

Yes, the next day. So that then they were in her. Yes. Yes. And right, you're right. I forgot about that. Then the next day at rehearsal, she's like, does anyone want to talk about the things that are, you know, upsetting them and the mistakes they've made and the things that are

on their mind right at well everyone's thing they're hung over from having been at this party and then right after and then it comes out that Veronica even though she just hooked up with Reggie again is like my parents are separating and all these secrets come out all these secrets come out Josie and it comes out

that Josie and Archie are dating and and all of that and so right I think that she right that was very clearly a calculated move you know to have the party get everybody all fucked up and then even if she wasn't kind of directly converting them all to have something on them, to have their weaknesses. But then she's clearly working. I mean, she already has Kevin.

But what Betty saw was working on something way more advanced. So because you also noticed that the people that were involved in the private rehearsal were also some of the ones like fangs that also had something to confess about how he feels so guilty about Midge's murder. And Kevin also feels obviously very guilty because, you know, Midge up on the wall, which good for her. getting another day rate. She's up on the wall and it says all your, it's all your fault. You killed me, Kevin, you know? So the guilt is alive, which is part of the reason why between that and everything that happened with, um, not moose. What's his name? Sexy that went off to the ROTC. That was Moose, wasn't it? Was that Moose? But that's what I was, I was having a hard time remembering because yeah, that was Moose, but also Moose had been with Midge, I think.

Right. So, so it's all that guilt coming together, which makes it makes it understandable of how he was so easily drawn into the farm. So what Betty sees, I'm still trying to put together. So, Betty finds the private rehearsal at the Sisters of Quiet Mercy. She's looking through the door, which ridiculous that no one noticed that she just opens up the door and starts filming. But it's Evelyn Edgar never, never, never, never, never. Never, never. Evelyn, ever, never.

It's so difficult to say. Evelyn Never is at the front. Everybody's wearing white. Kevin and fangs are on their knees facing each other in front of an altar. And then there's a bunch of people in white on the sides, and they're all wearing 3D glasses? Are they? I didn't notice that. They're all wearing 3D glasses, white 3D glasses, which I don't get. But I think it has something to do with those jello shots.

Yeah, visions and whatnot. And visions. But at the same time, I mean, I have. tripped many a time in my life. You don't need 3D glasses to say. You ain't need no props. That shit is right there. So I don't know

it has to be. What does it mean? Did Kevin and Fangs get married? That's what I thought. It looked like a marriage. Even though they were both on their knees. It looked like a marriage. Because they kiss, which also, yes, please, would watch that tape. But what happened? What

do you think? So if they did get married, what is the point? Why would it when Fangs hasn't been brought into the farm yet Unless he has and we don't know about it yet I have no Answers for that and I I All I can say about that scene and the final scene In which it should be pointed out that everyone from the farm seems to wear white all the time right?

Evelyn was wearing white the night of the show They were all wearing white in this little ceremony with Kevin and Fangs I don't know what It was like any good, really scary story Because I have no idea what the fuck is going on But I was extremely scared I because this is what I love about this show so much They did stick the landing

In the way that they really tried And attempt to do with the Carrie episode That ending was just goddamn creepy It was so creepy We've got the cast up on stage And they're doing their final number and everyone's standing up there singing. And then it's a big feel-good musical song

about how they're all going to not be stopped and they're going to keep coming together. Keep on going. And number one, no one immediately starts clapping, which I thought was just weird anyway. I didn't understand why I was like, this is an audience filled with parents. Everyone immediately is like,

my kid is the best. I love my kid. She's the best one up there. Or at least maybe that was just my mother when I would perform. But I, so to complete silence, and then you see Chad Michael Murray stand up. We now know, we knew this before him because everything came out. He is Edgar Ever Never, this is Poppy.

We got Poppy Farm standing up doing the slow clap. And then it didn't even become a fast clap. It wasn't a regular slow clap. Then it was just a chant of clapping and clapping. Rhythmic clapping. Why? They're all dressed in white. They were all dressed in white.

And they're all standing up. and everyone else is still seated and kind of greeped out by it. Interspersed throughout the crowd. Right. The auditorium was filled with parents. And then maybe a third of them interspersed everywhere, like the scene from Love Actually with all the band members. They all stand up and they're all wearing white and they all do this rhythmic fucking creepy clapping.

And thank you for saying it was Chad Michael Murray. I knew it was another like aught's teen star. Not an Ivy's teen star, but an aunt's teen star. And I was like, who the fuck is that? But so they're all standing up rhythmically clapping at the end of a musical. And it fucking gave me the willies, man. It was terrifying. Yeah, dude.

And I wonder if he had some sort of control over the rest of the audience. You know what I mean? Because no one else reacted, because no one else did anything, I feel like he had some sort of like magical brainhold on everybody else, right? Like they were all frozen. Yeah, I feel like it had something to do it because they didn't show. I mean, the lodges were right in the front. Yeah. I mean, FP was, it's like, I feel like, FP is so proud of his bore.

He would have stood up and started screaming. Yeah, right. Why are they? Unless what I assumed was, I don't know why they didn't all clap at first, but what I assumed was that everybody else stayed sitting because they were all so fucking scared. I mean, it definitely could be that. I have no idea. I don't know.

I don't know. I don't know what his powers are, but obviously they are big and they are taking over. And we have to be scared of him. We are Gilmore Girls, One Tree Hill, level scared of Chad Michael Murray. And I think that he plays a really good, I think he's going to be a really good bad daddy. But also another member of Bad Daddy Brigade. Yes, but like slightly younger Bad Daddy Brigade? He seems so young.

I mean, I think that he's, well, I think he's probably like 10 years young. than everybody else, for sure. Yeah, because, yeah, Luke Perry was what? He was 51. 52, yeah. He's 37 years old, yeah. Uh-huh. So he is definitely a lot younger

than the other daddies, but, I mean, doesn't keep him from having a 17-year-old, that's for sure, which means he was young, which I wonder if he started the farm or if he was raised in some sort of cult kind of thing and why he's keeping it together.

You know what I mean? Yep, yeah, yeah, yeah. But that gargoyle king was at the big fun party. This is all, this is going to come to a head very soon. And this episode is exactly what we needed because we were talking about the buildup, the buildup, the build up. Yeah. And then now it's all just finally foamed together at the top.

Yeah. That ending scene really like that was one of the more viscerally creepy, powerful scenes in Riverdale in a long time. Like it really got me. They did a really, really great job. We didn't even get into like the whole Hermione Lodge and Hiram Lodge. they are getting a divorce, but also just side note real fast. Hermione's sad crying face is horrible.

She looked, I was just like, what is happening? Maybe it's just she has so much Botox that her face doesn't move. So it was just like we're brought up on a little man. Yeah, it's just a little pout. But it was weird. And the fact that like, but then Veronica really wanted the two of them to come to the musical together as one happy memory from the family to like to create one more happy memory. but why did she need them there?

Does she have something to do with the farm? There's definitely an ulterior motive of Veronica's to be like, you have to both come together. But I don't think it has to do with the farm. I think that it probably, there is some other reason why she needed them there sitting together. But I don't know what that would be. There's something.

But there is something. I don't know what it is yet. But also I really did, I love that. But I guess Arrani is Reggie back on? it seems like they're actually having better, honestly, I think they're having better open communication than Veronica and Archie ever did. Like they, in this episode, they like sat together and like, you know, Veronica was like, I didn't only get with you because I was going through something painful.

And Reggie was like, yeah, I didn't accuse you of that, but I wish that you had told me. Like, I actually thought that that was like a decently healthy level of communication for teenagers who had just hooked up awkwardly. For sure, especially after breaking up. And I mean, he was, you know, one of the two single straight dudes doing some theater, which that line was pretty great. That line, I was like, why are we, like, that line annoyed me because I was like, what, I know so many straight guys that do things. Yeah. I know so many straight men that do theater. Yeah, straight men, it felt needlessly.

I feel like Riverdale was just so good at like normalizing gender, different gender and sexuality stuff. But like, the fact that they were like, oh, a straight guy doing theater felt like very 90s to me. It did. And also it's like, Sweetie and Fangs were there. Yeah. They're both straight. Like,

single guys that are doing theater. I don't know whether that line was just supposed to speak to Reggie's own idiocy or insecurity or something, but it reminded me of like in the 90s and the 2000s when boys, my friends were boys who were straight would do theater and everybody would be like, yeah, right, straight. It just felt kind of old-fashioned. It definitely did.

But I will say that, I think it was on Den of Geek that they brought up that whipping hair sounds. sound effects were used a lot in this episode. And I hope that they're here to say though, every time they flip their Heather's hair, which I don't know if you notice it, but it's amazing. They included so many whipping hair sound effects.

Wow, I didn't notice. I wanted to stay. I'm all here for it. So a lot happened in this episode, but it was a great episode. It was. I really did enjoy it. And I hope that you guys enjoyed it too,

because there's a lot going on. And baby, We're ramping up to the end of this season. I feel like, which, right? Yeah, I mean, I don't, well, I say yes, but part of my problem with watching reveals that I don't, it's not like with an, I don't know. I don't know what the timeline is. And, you know, I know last year it went all the way until, you know, May, but, but I don't

know how long this season is going. There are, okay, there are 22 episodes. And do we know what episode, what number we, like, how far through the season? This is number 16. Oh, okay. Okay, all right. Okay, so we got time. We got time for more set them up and knock them down.

Lots of places to go. And I am here for it. Thank you guys so much for joining us today on Riverdale Roundup. Man, you know, that song does get stuck in my head. It's a very good song. My own silly song gets stuck in my head all the time. So we will be back next week with Chapter 52, The Master. And I can't wait for it.

It really did. When they all stood up in the end, I was just like, This is a great episode, and I cannot wait for the next episode. Yeah, we're going to find out what the fuck is up with Edgar Ever Never. There we are. What's everybody on in the town? It can't just be Fizzle Rocks. We know better than that.

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