Page 7 - Riverdale Roundup Vol. 30: A Tasty Snack

Episode Date: April 4, 2019

Jackie and Molly roundup Chapter Fifty-Two: The Raid and discuss the teen wing of the Riverdale police force, Betty Snooper, and whether or not Jughead is sexier with the hat. Join our bad daddy brigade! www.patreon.com/page7podcast Intro song by Green Dreams greendreams.bandcamp.com/music Subscribe to SiriusXM Podcasts+ to listen to new episodes of Page 7 ad-free.Start a free trial now on Apple Podcasts or by visiting siriusxm.com/podcastsplus. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Got another episode of Riverdale Roundup coming at you. I feel like I've got a lot of things to say, but also a lot of things to yell about this episode. Is that just me? Happy yelling, angry yelling, some other kind of yelling. All different kinds. Also, I have to say immediately about last week's episode, didn't even realize that the thing in the Queens of Sacred Mercy, what is it, Sisters of Sacred Mercy? So the nuns, but... Sisters of quiet mercy.

That it was a Heather's reference. I know. I feel like such an idiot. I know. I do too. Everyone was like, what's wrong with you too? I know, but... I'm sorry, you're right.

The thing is, like, Heather's was never one of those movies that I, like, watched over and over and over and over again. Like, I certainly seen Heather's and love Heather's, but, like, it was not like my clueless or something. And so, you know, as somebody, I think one of the listeners said, did these two not worship at the altar of Heather's? And I just, I, I, I did love Heather's, but I did not officially worship with the author of

Heather's. No, and I immediately went back and rewatched Heather's this week because it was like, man, I feel like such an idiot. But also, Heather's is a great movie. Yeah. And I'm glad that I rewatched it, but I did feel very, very dumb. Because I'm like, sometimes you watch these shows. You watch Riverdale.

And I'm just like, I'm so sucked into the idea that is Riverdale that I forget that anything else exists. Right. Well, I forget that one of the things that makes Riverdale fun is that it's constantly making references to other shows, you know, like, even in its casting, it is constantly making references to other teen dramas. But I, right, I get so sucked into the world itself that I forget that basically Riverdale is like a, it's like a thesis. It's like a cultural like collage of like all teen drama from the last. 20 to 30 years, you know, and it's always referencing, and also the actual Archie comics, and it's always referencing all of these different things.

And like, but I'm just like, what Jughead doing this week? You know, and I like, I totally lose perspective. Completely. Even like down to the fact that I don't even realize it's like in the shop, in this actual episode, apparently Thangs is reading a Bucky O'Hare comic that is a part of the Riverdale Archie world. It's like they put little details into everything, even though there's just so many storylines

that they don't even follow ever again. But they still put such detail into so many little things because it's brilliant. This show, you know what I'm saying it? This was not one of my favorite episodes, but this show is goddamn brilliant. Yeah, this was not one of my favorite episodes either, but I did have a realization.

I had like an epiphany this episode. Ooh, do tell. Well, something that used to buy. me about Riverdale, this time I just realized that it shouldn't bother me anymore, which is that like, you know, in Riverdale, it's like this, you know, they all, like, Archie solves all the crimes, you know, and he fights all the crimes himself. And the, the teens fight, you know, are the detectives and the newspaper and all that. And like, but like my epiphany was like, they live in this kind of like gunless or mostly gunless, like a 97% gun free.

world and like where where gangs are like cosplay uh you know like and and uh and it's all and and you know and so sometimes that frustrates me because i'm like this is so dumb but then what i realized i just kind of let it go today watching it and it was like it's like a 50's like it's like a 50s fantasy where everything can be solved with like a rumble you know and and and it's oh yeah and i and it's so obvious to say but i hadn't really realized it because it presents as this like gritty, you know, teen, dark, sexy drama about serial killers. But in fact, everything can be solved with a rumble and everything is in the realm of like teen, you know, teen fist fights.

And there is no violence worse than a fist fight in Riverdale, which is great. And like... Until this episode. Until this episode. But like the fact that it exists in kind of like, kind of like a grease, it's kind of like dark sexy grease or something, you know, like, it's not even as scary. It's better than that, Molly. It is.

It's goddamn better than that. It's like not even as dark or sad as like the outsiders, you know. It's like just purely like take like a 50s fantasy of like what teenhood was like and then just, but said it in 2019, but make it as innocent as the 50s dream was. And that is what Riverdale is. Oh, hell. Yeah. They are definitely living in a dream world, especially.

now that we are getting up close with Edgar Evernever, which I had to just, oh my God, when Cheryl said, count him among the hot dads of Riverdale because Edgar Evernever is a tasty snack, which I love that it's, it is, I feel like it is getting more, what is it, like self-referential or like more self-aware. Self-aware, for sure. Because it is just such attractive,

so many attractive daddies in this now. Yeah. And especially when we have this opening shot where the serpents, but now are the cops of the town, kind of, are going through their drill with two of the sexiest of the daddy brigades, Sheriff Keller and FP. And they're going through the high school. And Sheriff Keller has a ray gun. One of those spots. What is it? A spot gun.

Yeah, what is it? I don't have it I don't know what the word for it is I don't even know they're training the used to be drug ring gang to now be the good guys although throughout this episode

now they're not allowed to be on the streets this is so frustrating about this episode they're like for fucking weeks now they're like yeah let's train the gang The teen gang that used to be an adult gang, but now it's exclusively teens. Now it's only a teen gang. Let's train the teen gang to be the vigilante wing of the police department. And so then the fucking teens go ahead and act like the fucking cops.

Also, which they had been doing before they were sanctioned by FP because Jughead has been solving crimes on his own for years. And so they go do what they've been doing, which is. solve crimes on their own, but they do it now in the guise of being like the police wing of the fucking, the teen wing of the Riverdale Police. The police force. And FP's like, boy, what are you doing stepping on my investigation? Step back. If you do this again, boy, I'm going to take, I'm going to take away your vigilante license.

Like, what the fuck did you think was going to happen, FP? It was, it was so. funny though, as if it's like you can't, you can't stop them from trying to, I guess now, get rid of all of the drugs out of Riverdale, which is, it's not going to happen, Jughead. Although I got to say, how sexy, I forget how sexy Jughead is without the goddamn hat on. When he was in that opening scene with his floppy hair and which they definitely would have been murdered if Sheriff Keller was an actual person with a gun, which you, saw later on in the episode now that guns are in Riverdale,

but that's a whole other conversation. We'll get there. But so now Jughead is trying to single-handedly with his like very small group of serpents take down the entire, like all drug rings of Riverdale, which is, it's an uphill battle for them, which let's, I'm sorry, it's an uphill raid for them, I'll say, because, um, I don't know how they're planning on doing it. And the fact that, uh, I'm sorry, I'm getting ahead of myself. So Drughead is now going to take down, he wants to take down Gladys Jones and the gargoyles,

even though how does FP have absolutely no idea that Gladys Jones is the head of the Vizzle Rock ring? Yeah, FP suddenly became the most naive man in town. Give him a house and he's like, I got the American dream. And he has no idea what is happening right before his eyes. Who else does he think is the head of the drug ring? Obviously, it's on Hiram. Highroom's in the middle of a bunch of other things and opening up the prison, which I know that we've talked about loosely, but it's like, I completely forgot that the prison existed.

Yeah, that had really been put on the back burner. The last we heard about it, I think, was when Hiram was like, I have a man who's going to use the prison to manufacture playing cards. Oh, that's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They were going to get into the playing card world because now he's not in the drug world anymore, but there's no way that playing cards is going to make as much money. as drugs make.

That's why you get into the drug business. But that's why you get into the private prison business, which will make lots of money. But it has not, right, they had kind of put the idea of imprisoning people on the back burner. And it seemed like they were mostly wanting to use the prison as just like a factory to manufacture other things. But then suddenly today it turned into like a fully functioning, opened prison that also had a juvenile wing in it. and immediately all of Archie's old friends at the juvenile center were all transferred to Hiram's new prison, which is now, yeah,

went from apparently like an abandoned playing cart factory to a fully functioning, you know, money-making private prison for children. I just have to say, too, Ronnie is really, really pissing me off as of late. The fact that, like, her whole issue now is like, But family is everything, Daddy, and you said that family was always the number one thing. All y'all have been doing is trying to fuck each other over from the very beginning. What are you talking about? Now family is a thing?

Yeah. Now it's about a unified force. Now you want to take care of your mother, even though you burned and got rid of all of the drugs she was in the middle of doing a deal with. Now family matters? I actually find this Ronnie's current plot line to be, like, very heavy-handed and, like, not believe. at all based on the entire fucking three years of Riverdale. Because yeah, like you said, they spent the last three years

betraying each other at every turn. You know, and like in the first season, think back to the first season and her relationship with her mom and with her dad and they were like kind of hoping that her dad wouldn't even like get out of prison and like, you know, Ronnie wasn't like a you know, family, family, family Tony Soprano type of person.

And then, you know, all, I think because, everything she's been doing has been so damn unbelievable with protecting her father. Now I feel like, you know, I feel like the writers just had to be like, oh, yeah, let's just say that it's because she's always valued family so much, even though, I mean, like, you know, it just doesn't seem, it seems like they're trying to retroactively justify Veronica's completely inexplicable behavior. Exactly.

Because you're right. I feel like they're really trying to, you know, we've made our jokes over the past couple of years where they really intensified the, like, the meha. and like the Latina side of the, of like, Ronnie and their family. And now the fact that they're also bringing the idea of that they are church-going people into everything because they're trying to be. And even when she made the reference of you wouldn't be the first mobster to go to therapy, Daddy. That was fun.

It's like, you're not the sopranos. You're not the sopranos. You are not the sopranos. I was just mostly proud of myself to get that reference. I was like, yeah, Tony Soprano. Yeah. Tony Soprano, I know that one. oh, ba-da-bing, gappagoole, but you're not the Sopranos.

You can't just all of a sudden start pretending like you are, and especially when it's like, but what would the church have to say about your divorce daddy, which I knew was just a tactic for her parents not to get divorced, but also in this day and age, it's like, obviously Hermione can take care of herself. She has her own alliances. I don't think she is as innocent as she's trying to make herself out to be in front of Ronnie.

Yeah, agree. All of a sudden, Hermione is acting like this damsel in distress who can't get by without Hiram. And again, mind you, go back to season one. They were like not looking forward to Hiram getting out of prison. They were like, let's do this on our own. Like, yes, this is an adjustment to like living without daddy. But like, you know, like both of them were like, we might be better off without Hiram in our lives, you know.

And so now the fact that Hermione is like, I can't even function. without him. It's a total break from who her character had been in the past. And I get that the justification in this episode was like, I'm a mobster's wife. And if I don't have the mobster's protection, then everyone's going to come after me. But like, that has just never been on the table at all before, like, today. Well, and especially because then we find out at the end of the episode. So Hermione Lodge walks into an office and I'm assuming her mayoress's office. And there's the two fishes on the desk trying to send the message that she's going to sleep with the fishes, which we find out is set from Ronnie, because I feel like the main issue with that

was that why was she more upset with how did someone get into my office to do this? It was more just the overall idea of it. But didn't you think for a second that it was either Hiram or Ronnie? Because it can't be that easy to just get into the mayor. office. Well, and also, Hermione has no other enemies. Like, yeah. I know Hiram has a lot of other enemies, but like, Hermione has no other enemies except I think Gladys Jones, whose drug equipment she burned, you know, but it's not even like Papa Putin. It's like the damn, it's like the people who wrote Riverdale saw like a mafia movie once. And they're like, I think I know how this works. Like, like, they're just like not really exploring like the true, like what would act.

Like, and so it was just like, oh, maybe the mafia did it. But it's like, who? Who are. are Hiram's enemies right now. Like, who are, and who are Hermione's enemies? Again, Hermione's only enemy is her daughter's friend's mom. Yes. Right. Her family and her daughter's friend's mom whose drug equipment and her daughter's family was so important to her, technically she transferred her debt to her daughter

to pay off. She didn't, she's not even taking the brunt of that. No, Hermione's a terrible. mother. I'm sorry. She's like, doesn't give a she. Hermione, I'm sorry. She's a terrible mother. She, and I don't, I don't use that phrase lately.

But she has been just like never protecting her daughter from her murderous husband. Nope. Like, right. Transferred her own debt that admittedly was caused by Ronnie, but was just like, you're going to deal with this, this drug king, Gladys Jones, who I'm apparently so afraid of. And also was completely involved in the multiple times of almost murdering Ronnie's boyfriend, even though now Hiram Lodge, like, water under the bridge, Miha, water under the bridge, which is hilarious of the fact that he did all the, he tried to murder her teen boyfriend multiple times.

But also, Hermione Lodge knew all this stuff was going on and did nothing to stop it. Yes, Hermione knew the entire time, and she's just like, oh, hi, whoops. Like she kind of Did she even have a hand in exonerating Archie? No, that was back when the other person was still mayor, Josie's mom. Yeah. So like, yeah, Hermione has just been, like, Hermione has not had enough to do independent of Hiram, I feel like.

But like, the coolest thing Hermione did lately was try to kill Hiram. And then even since then she's just been like this like sad little like weak you know damsel she's stronger than that we know that exactly like she has been

an interesting character I feel like Hermione actually has been a very and Hermione and Veronica's relationship has been really interesting in past seasons but lately she's just been like yeah like oh I guess

Hiram is like she's like this standing by Hiram's side in a way that I that is like not at all in character for her but then it also goes back to the lack of communication and the couples in Riverdale because back to F.P.

and Gladys Jones, where it is just very obvious that it is Jughead versus his mother and every time she like, when she grabbed him by the back of the head and was just like, essentially, don't fuck with me, Jughead. You listen to her. If the fact that, like, how does F.P. not know when he's living under the same house

that Gladys Jones is the head of all the fizzle rocks and the head. I mean, like, he's a lot of, aware of the fact that she now is in charge of the gargoyles, even though he's asking Jughead to keep down the gargoyles. But obviously, it's Gladys Jones that is the head of all of this stuff. And so this is another mother's son issue that it's just over and over again where it's like, Jughead, stop fucking with your mother. She's a lot more powerful than you are. Yeah. I guess one of the things that was frustrating about this episode is like so many of the women characters are really good

characters and really interesting and like and Gladys Jones maybe being one of my favorites and in this episode they didn't give her anything to do and it was just like I'm just sitting on the couch saying stop messing with my drug empire and FP's like oh who I got no idea who could be doing this and they all they all turned into idiots once they turned once they moved into Betty's house you know and uh you know and so I feel like you know Hermione and Gladys like need more shit to do and I'm like I'm like done with Hiram I'm not done with F.P. But I'm like, I want more Hermione being more powerful and I want more Gladys and I want F.P. to get his head out of his ass and figure out what's going on under his own damn roof. And I do wonder since we do

know on the outside world, obviously, that Luke Perry passed away in the middle of them shooting these episodes. I do wonder if the idea that now Luke Perry is not there to fill in his role because now as we need to talk, we need to talk about Archie, the fact that now he just lives inside of the gym that Hiram Lodge gave him, which I love that. Twice in this episode, people are like, how'd you get this gym? It's like, it's long story. It's really not. It's like, oh, I mean, yeah, this dude tried to murder me and like to say, sorry, he gave me this gym that now we can just all live in all the time. And I do wonder if anything in the plot line is changing because of the fact that Luke Perry is not there anymore.

Yeah, I wonder that too because usually Fred is like the guy who provides the like reasonable grounding check-in of like, son, I don't know if you should be running an orphanage out of this gym. You know, like that's the conversation that needs to happen and it hasn't happened yet, you know. Exactly. Because now it's like, so in the beginning of this episode, Archie gets a call from the Leopoldenlobe juvenile detention center and it's Mad Dog, and which I do love Mad Dog. I feel like Mad Dog just, he's got a heart of gold and he's got a just sexy, sexy face. I love 30-year-old juvenile-incarcerated Mad Dog. He is so old and beautiful.

And now Mad Dog was still in the juvenile detention center. still fighting for his life because all of the prison guards are crooked. And they were just going to, which I don't know how the prison system works, but essentially they were just going to take all the fighters out of the prison and put them into, in the juvenile detention center, and put them in the big boy prison so that they can continue to fight. So does that mean that they were going to, also how many illegal fighting rings are there in Riverdale?

We've got Elio's illegal fighting ring that is off to the, side. We've got the fighting ring that's in the juvenile detention center. And then now we're also supposedly going to have a separate fighting ring in the private prison run by Hiram Lodge. I think that Hiram is like absorbed. Because remember L&L, they were all basically working for Hiram, right? Like Hiram was the overlord of the fight club over there, even though he wasn't the warden or anything. And so like, yeah. So I think Hiram has, you know, he's got his fingers in a lot of soups. And is that the phrase? Oh, God, my fingers are always hot.

There are so many soaps. His beautiful hands. Also, by the way, Hiram not using a cane anymore. Just on the brink of death, but now he's completely fine. But anyway, we can continue. Yeah. So I think that he's just, I think that, I think the idea is that Hyram is kind of, you know, the overlord behind.

essentially every institution in Riverdale from the, you know, blossom maple factory to the Sisters of Quiet Mercy convent to all of the prisons in like the entire tri-state area. And he just has, he just, he just is the dark boss of it all. I also kind of wonder, too, Hiram Lodge must have a lot of extra time now because you've got Edgar Ever and ever taken over, you know, the cult side of things. You got Gladys Jones taking over the drug side of things. And now hire him long just as his prison. I wonder if he feels sad and lonely because he doesn't have enough fingers and enough

soups anymore. And I feel like that's going to come back to get us. Yeah, I think he's aimless. His mission in life for years was trying to kill Archie. And now he's got no mission, you know. And so he's like, and now he's just like mad about things that he wouldn't even give a shit about like, oh, my wife tried to take my drugs. Like he doesn't, you know, he's got big.

bigger fish to fry. He's got things to figure out. But anyway, back to Mad Dog. So Mad Dog calls up Archie and Archie's like, yeah, Mad Dog, I can make sure you get out of prison, which also just cut to the fact that like, so they sat down. This plot. This was great.

This was terrific. So when Mad Dog is like, you got to get us out, Archie. And Archie's like, of course, dog. Yeah, I could definitely do that. Easy Peas. So we asked his ex-girlfriend Ronnie to get the governor into a room with him to sit him down and just be like, you've got to get these kids out of prison because like they're going to testify against you and you better be scared.

What proof is there, number one? Governor Dooley takes care of the entire. It is paid off by so many different people. There is no way that he couldn't so easily silence these teenagers because everyone that runs the town is also hiding this kitty fight ring that's going on inside of the prison. And the governor is directly specifically paid off by Hiram Lodge, who we know has the desire and the capacity to hunt and kill Archie Andrews. But his apparently he's like, now he's just like done with that for reasons that I don't totally understand. And it's all water under the

bridge. And yeah, so so they threaten the governor, the corrupt criminal governor, and the corrupt criminal governor is like, okay, I'll pardon 25 kids. And it will not be a news story. There will be no like question as to why I'm like pardoning. Pardoning like children, like just letting them go immediately like the next, you know, that day they're out. And I think it's terrific.

I think that we should harass. We should we should blackmail governors into pardoning more people. I guess. Yeah, apparently we're doing it wrong. Just get them in a room and just like, walk and I take my story to the news. What does that mean? What does that mean? You mean your ex-neighor neighbor, Betty Cooper, who runs the high school newspaper?

Is that what you're talking about? If you don't pardon 25 people without any explanation immediately, I'm going to take this to the high school paper. And believe me, the high school paper is the only paper in town, literally, because the other paper was run by a serious. killer and somebody who's now a member of a cult. I love this show. So all these kids are parted. They have nowhere to go. So don't worry, like you said, he runs a gym slash orphanage now and everyone can just

set up cots and don't worry about the money of how you're going to get all the cots and all that stuff. They're going to figure it out. No, it's very boxcar children. You know, they just, every few episodes at Riverdale throughout all three seasons, they'll just have a whole squad of kids who need a home and they'll just find a home for the kids and they'll just put 30 kids somewhere.

Is it in the Cooper's house? Is it in this abandoned boxing gym? And they all just work it out. They always got somewhere. Which also is really beautiful. If you think about it in theory, it is really nice that no matter who you are, you have a home somewhere.

In Riverdale. In Riverdale, baby. So, of course, the first order of business for these newly pardoned fighter teens is to join the raid of the serpents against the gargoyles, which they just straight up found out where drugs were being made because Mad Dog's grandmother and brother lived there, and they're like, we're going to take it down.

Also, when did Kurtz become the overlord? It's like, when did he become like the Heisenberg of Riverdale? Like, when did it all of a sudden, it's like, if we take down Kurtz, then all of our problems are solved, he's not the only cook in Riverdale. Kurtz is like 14 too. Like I don't know exactly how old Mad Dog is, but I do feel like he's at least 30.

He's like so not a young person. Kurtz is like the only actor in the whole show who is actually looks like a young person. A teenager. And he's like this stringy little sad emo boy. And they're like, he's the drug. He's the top link. We need to take him down.

FPs in this whole investigation. Don't interrupt FPs complicated investigation to find this like strung out child who is apparently the new drug king like immediately under Gladys Jones. Also just keep checking out. I love that the fact that they changed the shoes on the telephone wire to just straight up gargoyles on a telephone wire. Settle. Which isn't that just it's not it's not subtle whatsoever of like, oh, you want find a drugs? Look up. Oh, it's a gargoyle right there.

It's like, what are you talking about, you guys? And so their brilliant idea is for a group of ex, you know, fighting cons and the rag-tag team of serpents that aren't ready to be on the streets to just bust into this big drug house. And, but what, I guess my big question was, in the end, spoiler alert, of course, Jughead and Archie and Mad Dog find Kurtz, which they just leave Mad Dog in the hallway to defend himself against 20 gargoyles.

And they all have guns now because that's what Gladys Jones is doing. She just bring guns into Riverdale, which is also not cool. But then what were they going to do with Kurtz after they got him? Like what was the plan here? Get rid of him. What does that mean? If y'all are going straight, it's not even like you're going to kill him. Yeah, I mean, they've already, mind you, they've already killed.

at least one person, tall boy. Like, they're not above killing somebody, but the whole thing is that they've gone legit, the murderous teen wing of the, but also they're doing this despite the fact that, I mean, that's not a surprise, I guess, but FP's like, stop doing your rogue investigations.

And then they do a rogue investigation. And they, yeah, I don't know what they were going to do with Kurtz. Like, stop him. I think that they think that they can just, you know, Jughead and Archie think that they can just sit down with anybody like they can't the governor. and just talk to him and be like, stop doing this. And then Kurtz would be like, okay, I've seen the error in my ways.

It's just, it's hard because like even in the scene with Jughead with the, like in the comic book shop when he's trying to take down all the drug dealers, Cole Spouse is the least intimidating person I've ever seen on a television screen next to Archie and Veronica. I feel like the three of them together, but he's just not, he couldn't be intimidating if he tried. Yeah, yeah, Betty has that problem too. Betty's like, tell me everything you know. And it's like, or what, Betty, you know?

Or what are you going to do? What are you going to do about it, Betty? Which I did love, we haven't even talked about this whole portion of the episode. This is the one I'm most excited to talk about. This, so we've got, which I love when Cheryl called her Betty Snooper, which she should be referred to often in this show. Okay, Betty Snooper. So Betty goes to Cheryl and was like, I want you to infiltrate the cult that is happening in our town. And I got to say, I immediately thought that's a great idea.

Great idea. Great fucking idea. Cheryl is strong. Oh, yeah, man. And she gets information from people. I think it's just because people are wooed by how beautifully red her lips are. Because Betty Cooper is just so, she is not surrept. Is that the word for it?

She's not subtle ever in what she's doing. No, yeah. And she's just like, I love Betty, but like, Betty's just like, tell me, you know. And like, and like, but like nobody, she doesn't have any, like, there's nothing scary about Betty, not even dark Betty. There's, you know, she just doesn't have it. Whereas Cheryl, she's very, you know, Cheryl just puts people under her spell. Oh my God. I am under her spell completely.

So she infiltrates the cult, which I guess, so the question. that both of them got with their quote unquote cult interviews is do you ever bite your nails? Very Scientology, by the way. It's very Scientology. I feel like everything, without the E-meter, it is Scientology, essentially. And also, I think that they use secrets as currency

as opposed to Scientology that just uses money as currency, but also secrets. Both. But I think that, so she's going in trying to figure out what Edgar Ever and Ever is, up to and what Evelyn Edgar ever is ever never never god damn it I think I get it and then I lose it Evelyn ever never Edgar ever never you got it can you imagine how many times they flub that up while we're filming this show it's very difficult to say so you've got them going in and of course

the first question is do you bite your nails which I'm assuming means that you have secrets that you're not dealing with is that what that's supposed to mean I wonder you Yeah, it seems like, right, that's their, like, big symbolic question. I bite the fuck out of my nails. Uh-oh. You better stay far away from this fucking cult girl because you don't get taken in. Just like Cheryl Blossom did. Because they were giving her the opportunity to see and talk to Jason Blossom.

Now, when she was having the interview with Edgar Ever Never because she had her little mic inside of her spider brooch that Betty was listening to on some sort of. of old antiquated radio system, which also the serpents are also using a CB radio now too. Because again, like you said, living in that 1950s idealic world. But like, Betty has a live wire on Cheryl. And Cheryl's like, how do you have this equipment? And she's like, my mom had it when she ran the newspaper, which is like, you know, yes, reporters have like tape recorders, but they don't have like FBI surveillance systems. No, and especially that minute that, like, Edgar Ever never wouldn't detect it on her person, which I thought was very, very funny.

They had no assistance with this. She just immediately knew how to use it, which I love. It's Betty Snooper, baby. I love Betty Snooper. So she immediately gets brought into when you're following the conversation and they're taking their interview further. And she goes, what is this a broom closet? And they go in and all of a sudden you don't hear from Cheryl anymore. because then we find out that she had seen

and was talking to Jason Blossom but I really thought they fucked in that closet I thought that they were going to fuck in the closet too because she really liked... I thought they were going to fuck in the closet! She likes Daddy Edgar and he is like very charismatic but right we find out that what happened was that she saw Jason and we find it out because she comes back to Betty

and is like I won't work for you anymore I've been converted and I felt like such a fool because here I was about 10 minutes earlier but like, yeah, yeah, because Cheryl. Cheryl is the one person who can work with Betty to get to the bottom of this. And then, of course, Cheryl got got by Edgar Ever, Never. But we learned this very important piece of information that the farm lets you see dead people. Which makes so much more sense of how they get people in.

So this has to be Fizzle Rock related, right? It has to harken back to the Sisters of Quiet Mercy and the fact that they were able to see the Gargoyle King. Right. And now they are baby. But how are they manifesting people that they had never met before? Like that's, I mean, I know that it can't just be Fizzle Rocks. It has to be something else.

Is it hypnosis? Is it something that they're putting them under and like opening up their third eye so that they can see what they want to see? Well, mind you, being of the third eye, you know, Evelyn did give Kevin a mushroom. Brownie in the last episode. Oh, yeah. And he saw Midge, you know, who's dead. Ooh, you're right.

But not in an absolving way, in a, like, terrorizing way. Threatening way, yeah. So I wonder if it's, because I went back and I watched that scene again with Cheryl. I was like, she didn't ingest anything. He didn't give her anything. It wasn't even like there was water or anything on the table. So how would you get into them without having them eat something? Yeah, and I was going to say that this feels a little bit like a last minute, like, explanation of the farm.

Like, oh, they see dead people. Because Kevin doesn't have any dead person who is haunting him except Midge. I guess he does, right? So there's enough people who died in Riverdale that perhaps it makes sense that the farm has such, you know, such purchase. Dude, and now, and then talking with Alice Cooper, too, because she's talking. talking to her dead son. Right. Right.

Yeah. And that was a good... So Betty, upon learning from Cheryl, that the reason Cheryl has been converted fully and immediately to the farm is because she got to talk to her brother Jason, Betty gets her mom to sit down with her and says, Mom, did you... Are you...

Do you love the farm because they let you talk to Charles? And Alice says yes, that is why. Which is like... Which is pretty big. Makes sense. Makes sense. That's big information. But also it makes sense that Betty's older sister, too, would be drawn into it because she was in love with Jason Lawson, which so much happens in this show that until she brought that up again, I was like, I forgot that they were running away to go join the fucking farm.

That makes so much sense. Right, right. I say, good on you, Riverdale. The farm has been in it from the beginning. Dude, you know what? I was actually impressed by Riverdale. at this point in time. I was like, I can't believe they are bringing back something that was actually pertinent

information in the past. Although, I would be curious if we go back and rewatch season one. I don't know if the farm was even remotely what it is now or if we had any, I think it was just like an actual. So I think that they might be doing some retroactive kind of retrofitting of the plot onto the past. And bringing it in. But I say good on them, though, because like that is, at least they're,

trying. Yes. Yes. They are trying and it's working. Honestly, I was totally sold by the end of this episode in terms of the farm plotline. I did not love the raid plot line. I thought it was dumb. I hated it. I hated it because I really hated the

braid the whole thing. I hated it. Yeah. I hated everything that came down with Ronnie and Archie and Jughead in this episode but the Betty Cheryl cult plot line, I was completely here for. And although this was not one of my favorite episodes, it was all, it was all very pertinent

information to rolling this show along. Yes, yes, it was. And I think right, I think we're getting somewhere with the farm, like with the farm plot line. But then, but then when it, like in the very end, when they can't find baby teeth after the raid, and then they got the quest card that said that you have to defang a wolf club with the tooth in it, that they had ripped out baby teeth's tooth and sacrificed him to the Gargoyle King, or was he on a quest from the beginning to infiltrate the teen fight, juvie part of the subplot? Like, I don't exactly understand, but I thought it was a little old hat to cut to the Gargoyle King at the end with baby teeth with his tooth ripped out. You know what I mean?

Yes. Yeah. I mean, it was kind of like, you know, the mafia tones of the whole episode, I guess. But we've seen this before. It was nothing that like shook me. It wasn't a good, they didn't stick the landing of this episode. Agreed, completely, completely. They should have, like, showed Jason Blossom or something like that.

I feel like there could have been something that they had done. So at least you question, like, is it a hallucination? Or are they actually like, Lord, no. Are they bringing people back from the dead? Yeah, right. Is it some sort of zombieification that they're doing, which also would be fucking ursum-sers. Yes, that you're exactly right.

Because like, not for nothing, we don't even really know baby teeth that well as a character. Like, who cares? Like, he's like some random serpent, like, I'm like really losing the plot with all of the serpent gargoyle ghouly shit. It's like too, it really feels like they're just winging it from week to week.

I feel like it's gonna come to a head pretty soon. Gladys Jones is gonna come in neither takeover or get the hell out of Riverdale. I really hope it's not get the hell out of Riverdale because I love her character. But something's got to happen with all these gangs. I want more Gladys, more Gladys, not less. Of course.

No, I definitely want more Gladys. So I feel like it was a very important episode for the overall idea of Riverdale. But again, the raid, not my favorite. Yeah, same. Agree wholeheartedly. But thank you guys so much for joining us this week. There was a lot of sexy in this.

And also, I feel like T.T. is going to have to come in and save Cheryl because there's no way Titi is going to be blinded by the idea of the cult. There's no way. She's smarter than this. That would be fun. Yeah.

Yeah, that would be fun because if anybody has even a more solid head on their shoulders than Cheryl, who obviously doesn't have a solid hat on her shoulders, but yet I trust her. But I don't trust her anymore because she's been swept up in the farm. But I do. But I don't. Yes, but I do trust Titi. I completely, and I think she's going to come in with Betty Snooper and T.T.'s powers combined.

They can do absolutely anything. And also they can kiss me whatever they want. And I would be fine with it. Thank you guys again for joining us on this week's episode of Riverdale Roundup. It was season three, episode 17, The Raid. And we're going to come back at you. I think we have a couple of weeks off. Again, I think that this has to do with Luke Parrott.

and everything because I think that they have to re-jouge because it wasn't supposed to be this break so we'll be back at you and Lord knows what's going to happen with it but as always I fucking can't wait for the next episode yeah whatever happens next

it's gonna be big gonna be big where my daddies where my daddy's at I love daddies and all the mommies love you guys so much we will talk to you soon. Bye.

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