Page 7 - Riverdale Roundup Vol. 32: Spurkin' Around

Episode Date: May 1, 2019

Jackie and Molly recap "Fear the Reaper" and Jackie rejoices that Riverdale is now technically one of her sister wives shows. Join our bad daddy brigade! www.patreon.com/page7podcast Intro song by Green Dreams greendreams.bandcamp.com/music Subscribe to SiriusXM Podcasts+ to listen to new episodes of Page 7 ad-free.Start a free trial now on Apple Podcasts or by visiting siriusxm.com/podcastsplus. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

With a vengeance, it wasn't anywhere last week. It was just, it seemed like it was on some sort of plot hiatus for a couple of weeks there. I will give it that. Yeah, it took a little break. And now, so much happened that I feel like my brain's going to explode. I don't know if that has something to do with the super bloom that's happening or my allergies that are making my face explode into a million different pieces. but I think it more has to do with Riverdale. It might have to do with Riverdale.

It might also have to do with the fact that the camera is in a different place in Jackie's studio. So now it looks like I'm spying on Jackie from the corner of the room. I love it. The camera angle. That's my point of view. The camera angle that Molly is watching me from does make me think you're the main character in you. Like I feel like every time I look up at how you're looking at me, it does. You're just like, no, don't worry.

Oh, is she recording? early in the morning, I just want to see if I can understand what she smells like. It kind of looks like rather than when you Skype with someone and you're kind of in the center of their computer looking at them, it looks like I'm hiding behind your computer trying to have you not see me. Do, um, does it make you feel more sensual? Uh, I don't know if sensual is the word I would use, but, but it does make me feel a little sneaky, which, you know,

you mean like Gina Gershahn style? Yeah, you know, I think it's a good feeling to have going into an episode about so much, you know, deception and sneaking and, you know, chickens coming home to roost. We kick it off with, man, the G&G Jones game of a life. It was a lot. It was a lot. Is that what all G&G games are? This is not a good game and people probably, I mean, I know that people shouldn't be playing it,

but to actually watch the idea of G&G be played out is very funny because all of it, it's just truth or dare. Yeah, right. Except with cards. It's a board game that turns into like murder, basically. Every time. Every time. So that's, I guess, I guess, I guess,

My main question is what happens when it doesn't involve murder? Right. Because people are playing this every night. Yeah. All the time. They're always playing it. I should, we should defer to like, so this is a say, I have a somewhat similar question about the real game Dungeons and Dragons, which I know doesn't evolve into murder

every time. But I don't think it does. I don't think it does either. But I know that it is a combination when my husband has tried to convince me to love Dungeons and Dragons. He does it by arguing that it's kind of a combination of a board game with like improv and like creative writing and acting. And that like, uh, and you know, he, he one time facilitated a kids party playing Dungeons and Dragons. And it did involve a lot of like getting up and like playing things. And so. Well, because it is whatever you wanted to

be. Like you do just make up how it goes. Right. And obviously there's been a lot of larping going on in the Riverdale universe as well. Like the live action role playing like G&G is mostly a larping. It seems like it starts off as a board game and immediately turns into a live action roleplay. And the stakes just keep getting higher. And so in this episode, we find Jughead dysfunctional family in their sweet Betty Cooper house Jughead

and his two parents having to sit down with Kurtz and play this very high stakes game of G&G to get back Jelly Bean, who has been taken by... She's been taken. She's been taken. And they keep trying to scare us with that image of the Gargoyle King. They tried it last episode.

You and I were very underwhelmed. And that was basically kind of like that was the entire thrust for the Jones plotline of this episode. Yes, which was the things that they had to do in their G&G game was essentially Gladys Jones had to out herself as, the queen of Fizzle Rocks. They had to rob pops. And then immediately be like, God, Pop, don't shoot. It's us.

Why would you go in to rob your neighborhood diner with your serpent's jackets on? Why would you do that? And then, even if FP gets shot, chugging, I think the number one, If there's one thing I know about robbing pops is that the number one rule should be, no matter what, never take your mask off, Jughead. No, I love it. They both just immediately took their masks off and Pop was like, oh, okay. It's us, Pop.

And my favorite, to jump to the very end, when we find out retroactively that no charges are being pressed because it was determined that FP Jones was acting on. under duress, which I love the way the law works in Riverdale. I just love it. It really works like a naive child thinks it should, which is to just say, well, they didn't want to rob Pops, so they shouldn't be charged. They shouldn't be charged. But then also, Pop, I'm sure, is like, whew, because then he doesn't get charged for just, I mean, I mean, he has all right, I guess, depending on what state Riverdale is in,

for him to shoot FP when he comes in to, I guess it was at gun. point. Why do they have to do it at gunpoint? Why do they have to involve violence in this? They didn't need to take it to that level. Also, is Pops cashier really going to have the kind of money Kurt's needs? No, to quiet, to quiet move away money? No. There's no way Pops is that kind of money. Like rob a bank or something. Don't rob the fucking street car diner. They had to rob the tavern of the town. This episode really got me. I loved it. I loved every second of it.

It is exactly what I love Riverdale for was this episode. Because then the third challenge was, oh wait, no, we forgot about the fight between, also, can we just, I'm sorry, I have a lot to say, and I'm trying to get it all in this episode. They have to start murdering people. And I hate, I know that's not something I would usually say. In any respect. But Penny Peabody

who came back, she just took out her eye, which, kill her. Gina Gershawand, you had her in your grasp. You should have just killed her. Because now this woman has been skinned, has had her eye ripped out, as well as stabbed in either the thigh or the knee.

At this point, kill this point. woman. She's going to keep coming back. Do you not realize this? She really hates you. Well, and I have to give you massive props because in this episode, at least two of long time predictions that you have been making here on Riverdale Roundup came true. Jackie was right. You predicted that Penny Peabody was not dead. Yes. Thank you. And why am I blanking on the other Evelyn Evernever because I lost my fucking mind. I was like, I'm number one. I am the best.

I had to like pause the show because I want, I did like a congratulations me dance about even though it does not matter. This is only because it's only for my brain that I was so proud of myself. You were extremely correct that Evelyn Ever Never is not his daughter but his wife. You've been caught. She's 26. I'm great. And she's been repeating the junior year, which I feel like I've seen a law and order

SVU episode about this, about a woman who's like 28 and who keeps going to high school. And I can't put, I think it was a Law and Order SVU episode. But she's 26. And she is indeed Chad Michael Murray's wife. And she is just some old bitch in high school. as you predicted, recruiting the teens, well, her husband recruits the parents. But so now we know too, which this even,

it's great for me. This plotline is really good for me because you know how much I love my polygamy shows. So please, that's great. Now, Riverdale technically is another one of my polygamy shows. Yep, we have a sister-up situation because there's a moment where Betty says, Mom, did you know that Edgar's already married to Evelyn and Alice is all, you don't think I knew that, Betty?

There are no secrets at the farm, Betty. Join us. Join us. I loved every second of this ridiculous episode. Well, so, no, we find out that for real, which also I do love, because we were talking about this last week, it's like, wait, does that mean that Alice Cooper is? engaged, Edgar Ever, never? I feel like they never actually said it. She never answered Betty's question.

Yeah, Betty said, are you engaged? And she was like, there's a lot that you don't know or something. Right. And so she never answered the question. So jumped right into trying to adopt Juniper and Dagwood, which also didn't make sense because they are not Alice Cooper's children. Yeah. They're Polly's children.

I didn't get that either because, yeah, Polly is their parent, their biological parent, and so, and she's still raising them. So I don't understand why there would be any sort of contest for what parental rights, how parental rights could go to fucking Edgar Ever, Never. Unless he's marrying both of them. Ah. It's the only thing I can think is that maybe he's marrying all of the women that come into the church. But like, I think, but isn't that like, aren't like nuns married?

to God or some shit, right? I think so. So it's like, isn't that, is that exactly, like, is that what he's trying to do then? Because, like, at the end of the day, like, you can't take, I mean, I guess he does take care of all of them. But do you want to have that many spouses to be in charge of? Well, I'll tell you this, since Betty has his best friend who's a social worker

who pops up every four episodes. Love it, Ms. Weiss. And never in between. Ms. Weiss, who is just like, whatever they have, like, a question. about the law and family law. They're like, oh, let's call our social worker. And so Ms. Weiss is really, she's great. She's got a good head on her shoulders.

And she comes in and she's like, yeah, Betty, you're right. Evelyn is definitely 26. But meanwhile, if she's a social worker, she should be able to be like, oh, these children are being raised in like a fire cult by somebody who's not their father who has no legal claim to them. That social worker, I'm sorry, Mrs. Weiss, you got to get on it because there are a lot of violations happening at the farm.

Also, the fact that Betty Cooper is underage essentially homeless because her father is in jail and her mother lives at the cult now. And they got rid of the home. Where is Betty living? Yeah. Like, I guess she is homeless. She's homeless. She's going back and forth between Veronica's and junk. Yeah.

Yeah, you're right. Mrs. Weiss should be like, you know what, Betty, let's talk about you for a second. And the fact that you're homeless. And do you need help? Because I'm a social worker and I'm a mandated reporter. And I should probably do something about the fact that you're a child who has no parents right now and no home. But instead, I'll just keep helping you in and out when you need my detective work. Of these random, these random children and or adults that are problematic in Riverdale.

Also, not to mention that like before when I said that they should have killed Penny P. Body, where is fuckhead Ricky? Which is what I'd like to continue referring to him as, because I know that he is a child, but he's got adult intentions inside of a child's body. And fuckhead Ricky was nowhere to be seen with Jelly Bean. And he's still spurking around doing his fuckhead business. and I don't trust him. I don't like it. Well, to go back, I hate to pile on Ms. Weiss, but to go back to this week,

because White's not being a very good social worker. But that ties it. That completely ties it. The last time we saw Ms. Weiss was her being like, oh, yeah, Ricky, he used to be at this one shelter and then he ran away. Yeah, he's another abandoned child in Riverdale. Eh.

Oh. Call me when you need me. So definitely, Ricky is just like a, A menace. A menace. With no home and no guardians who is, who I think is under the guard, you know, the guardianship of the gargoyle. Yeah. But, but yeah, Ricky was the instructor.

Ricky was the guy who kidnapped jelly bean. But then by the time Jughead, you know, completes all the tasks of G&G and goes home to find jelly bean safe and sound, thank goodness. She's like, oh, Ricky just left. And I want to know. I don't think jelly beans in on it, but like, Jelly Bean wasn't scared. Jelly Bean didn't seem to know that anything had gone on.

So, like, I need to know more about what happened to jelly bean. I think, again, that Jelly Bean is being completely, I don't think undermined is the correct word, but I think that she's not being paid attention to. Jelly Bean is evil. She has to be evil. We all know she's evil, right? Because that's her whole thing.

She's like, I'm finally getting into daddy. good graces or whatever the fuck she said. She's evil and another one. Now there's there's a fuckhead Ricky and another child, Jelly Bean. These two children I am actually scared of. Yeah, I hear you, but Jelly Bean wouldn't, Jelly Bean doesn't have any, unless there's a big secret they're going to tell us. Jelly Bean doesn't have any like biological evil in her.

She's got like biological sass from Gladys, you know. But I fear that that whole, now I'm getting into Daddy's Head thing, might have been one of those famous Riverdale, you know, drop and dumps where they just put it there and then they never follow up on it. Right. But there's got to be a reason of why, like you were saying, she wasn't scared and the fact that, like, Ricky just like went away. I feel like that this was something that they may have done willingly because also, which we didn't even get to yet, is it the fact that Kurtz fucking kills himself or was he killed while? Jughead was in the fucking fridge. I assumed that the gargoyle king killed him. Right.

But then who is? The gargoyle king has to be a person. Someone that is obviously like sympathetic to the Joneses because overall, even though FP got shot, Gladys Jones got out of Riverdale. And then Jughead ended up being safe and sound. And so is Shelley Bean. So someone that is sympathetic towards the family, right? I mean, like in other words, Kurtz was killed to protect the Joneses.

Something. Yeah. Right? I guess. Why would he kill himself in that situation? You know, this is really one of those Riverdale things where I'm not convinced that there is a reason. I mean, there must be because Kurtz has become, Kurtz has become this like central character in the last like four or five episodes.

And so it would be a total cop out to just be like, whoops, now he's dead. But, I mean, right. So Kurtz locks Jughead in a refrigerator with a knife. Somehow Jughead bangs his way out. Very easily. By the laws of physics, it makes no sense. And then he comes out and Kurtz is dead and the Gargoyle King is there, right? Yes.

Yes. So I think the Gargoyle King killed Kurt. Maybe Jelly Bean is like, maybe this is going to be one of those things like she's like 11, where she's like divine. you know, or special or something and that the Gargoyle King needed Jelly Bean and needs to save her and keep her alive so he let Jughead live, you know?

I like where your head is at because it could definitely be something like that that, like, jelly bean is being referred to as the princess and I feel like, so it's like, you know, we've got the red paladin and then we out, and now she's being referred to. And I know that that's also just a part of G&G and like the terminology.

inside of G&G, but what if it's not? What if she is a central character to overall taking down the gargoyle king? You're right. Yeah, I feel like she might be somebody important. She obviously is somebody important to the gargoyle king. That's why they kidnapped her. But maybe she is so important that they needed to just sacrifice Kurtz to save jelly bean.

And I guess, I don't know why Jughead got to survive. Interesting, because they can't kill my Jug. Don't you get fucking some Game of Thrones in me, Riverdale. If you do, ooh, I y-a-a-a-a-a-a-ha. Ooh, I would be so absurd. We haven't even gotten into the thousand other things that happened to this episode. Number one, I mean, we just even pop through him.

Josie is now, her dad comes back into town and who is a traveling musician, and he's in town on tour. Being on the road is hard. But she wants to get the fuck out of Riverdale. which is shown by the fact that the Joneses just came in to rob their neighborhood diner while they're having this conversation. And Josie's like, oh my God, I've been robbed at gunpoint again.

See, like, I've got it out of here. I think that's what the quote is, now do you see why I need to get the hell out of this town? And to continue with our theme of child neglect and abandonment, Josie didn't get into Juilliard. And so now she's just straight up dropping out of school. She's dropping out of school, will not finish high school to go on the road with her father because her father saw her sing one song.

I was like, you know what? Yeah, in the morning, you're going to come on the road with me, which is very bad parenting. Bad parenting all around. Yeah, I mean, listen, Josie is a great singer. And I'm glad that her dad showed up to watch her. Although he did it in an extremely manipulative way where he didn't show up. and then she was so sad and then she still performed. And then afterwards he was like, yeah,

I purposely made you think I didn't show up so that you would, so I could see whether you had it in yet. What a piece of performing no matter what emotional pain you're feeling? Yeah, what a dick. That's terrible. Why did, why the one time she asked you to come sing, would you do that psychological torture then? Can't you just like wait until like the fourth time or something like that, you know?

Yeah, especially because he's a completely, absent daddy and he's like never in her life ever so it's not like he's like there's like a lack of of like psychological torture already going on yeah so now so they got josie out of the picture which is great because you know what i really can't watch josie and archie anymore i hate it it's so forced it's not they're not they shouldn't be together they oh they look like they don't like each other yeah i don't think they like each other and i'm glad like i think we talked about last week like it'll be like a nice it's not going to be like a bad breakup it's just like oh sorry archie I got to get the fuck out of town.

And Archie's like, oh, great. And then they have like a chemistry-free kiss together and then it's over. No, not even a second of chemistry. Yeah. I hate watching the two of them kiss. And you know I love watching kissing. Yeah. And I can't handle it.

Yeah. And they're both beautiful people. Oh, yes. But it just doesn't work together. No, not at all. So obviously we got Josie out of there because she just signed to be the lead in Katie Keene, which is another Riverdale spin-off. And I imagine she will be back if that goes south.

So I guess the pussycats are just gone. Does that mean that the only music, like, does that mean that the only singers now at LeBahn-Newie will be Veronica? Veronica and Dark Betty. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Sometimes Cheryl, sometimes Cheryl and T.T. Sometimes, sometimes, which that's part of the play. lot line of the farm guys is that, oh, God, again, they got us again.

So it's like Cheryl had joined the farm undercover for Betty, and then she got turned. And then Titi did it. And then bitch got turned. Come on, Tony. Come on, Tony. And not only did Tony get turned, but she turned on Betty. She snuck Betty in to try, because Penelope Blossom, manages to basically kidnap.

Oh God, we didn't even get to talk about that. After Betty, Betty needs to stop asking for help, honestly. Betty goes to Penelope and she's like, Auntie, help with the twins. This cult leader is going to steal them. And Penelope, who's, of course, never been a trustworthy person ever for five seconds. It's like, I'll help. I love that she looks like a mean cat when she's being talked to, just like, oh, go ahead and tell me their plans.

And I will do with them what I wish. And it's like, of course. She's, she's beautifully evil. She is. And she is magic because she manages to immediately recover one of the twins. But who does she take? But the boy twin. And then without comment from Betty, she renames him Jason Jr.

Yikes. And just walks away with him. Yikes. And Betty's just like, oh. Betty's like, it's at first. Betty's like, oh, they're twins. You can't separate them. And then Penelope's like, anyway, me and Jason Jr.

will be going. And so Penelope leaves with Jason Jr. aka Dagwood. And the girl twin is still left in the hands of the ever-nevers. And so Tony helps in still telling Betty she's, you know, undercover, lets Betty sneak in, try to steal the baby. And then on the way out, they're about to get caught. So Tony's like, follow me.

And then she takes her downstairs into like a candle room. The furnace room. Yeah. The furnace room. and Tony is like, sorry, Betty, I've never had a family before. I've always, even though she does have a family, we met her. She does. She does.

She's like the founder of the town, kind of. But she's like, she's like, I've never had a family before. The serpents, the pretty ponies, what are they called? The pretty poisons, but I like pretty poisons too. And so Tony, it turns out, has been vulnerable to the power of the farm and is now also turned. Now they're all turned basically everybody in Betty's life, except for Archie who's busy dealing with his own murder charge. Oh yeah, we have. We got to get into that whole fucking thing.

Because you notice that we can talk this much about the other plot lines of this. And the dumb fuck Archie plot line, I'm sorry, I'm cursing a lot today. But I have a lot of feelings when it comes to this episode Because the Archie plotline could just be lifted up out of this show and put somewhere else and it wouldn't affect anything And you know, I just realize it's crazy It's true and the last few weeks this has happened where we're like oh, I guess we got to talk about fucking Archie You know, it's his damn boxing Don't worry, don't worry Molly's never gonna box ever again

You can't get him back in the ring He's been boxing for like three weeks And he's like, no, I can never box again And everyone's like, you've got a box, Archie You are the box, no it's not Oh, I guess I used to do this thing for a while Now I can't do it anymore because I killed a guy Oh, this is my I mean, this was anybody could have called this

But last week I was like Archie's going to feel so guilty That he killed this fucking guy And of course He's like, oh, I know, knew that he was on these drugs. I should have called the fight. And he conveniently stored the drugs that Mad Dog gave him in his locker, even though Archie is like, I don't do that stuff.

So why didn't you fucking throw away the drugs, you lose? Store them. Yeah, just keep them in your fucking gym that you started referring to in this episode as my gym, which you don't own. It's fucking Hiram Lodge's gym. I, but so then if you guys haven't seen the episode, so essentially he kills this dude in the line. last episode in the fight. And now, of course, immediately, which also I do love, are we throwing

number one, are we throwing G in the garbage? Does that weird zombie mouth foamy drug, is that gone now? Or do you think that that is here to stay? It seems like it's gone, except that there was the scene where Randy's sister was like, oh, he started using drugs a long time ago. But as we know, there's only like two drugs in Riverdale, which are G. And then before that, there was jingle. Maybe he was using jingle jangle jangle when he was like a teen or something. Maybe he was jingle jangle. We lost him to drugs a long time ago.

But they did not mention G specifically. And I wonder why he doesn't have any parents. They made that very clear that he does, this boy does not have parents. Maybe that's something to do with the farm. Maybe that's how they're going to be tying in. Maybe it's something that's like getting rid of parents and that kind of shit where it's like, I feel like at this point, a lot of Riverdale. teens barely have any guidance anymore.

You know what I mean? Well, and I mean, not to jump right to it, but what do we find out at the end, but that we might have not one but two main characters who soon will not have parents either or have lost parents, right? Are you talking about Hal? Are we talking about Hal Cooper right now?

I'm talking about Hal Cooper. and then I'm also talking about the fact that I had to do like several double takes and go read an article on the internet because I know that this is Luke Perry's last episode. Yes. And yet when the episode ended, there was no resolution about Fred Andrews. And so I'm like, what the fuck happened? But we do get a disturbing piece of news about Hal Cooper at the end of this episode. So apparently when, you know, Betty just used her favors with Hiram Lodge to move her from the real. prison into the fake cover-up prison that Hiram Lodge is starting.

And in the interim, there was an accident and no one survived. There's no fucking way that Hal Cooper is dead. There's not even, like this, as Ronnie was saying it, I was like, bitch, stop lying to her. We all know he escaped. But also, why is, do you think, though, that Veronica knows that. it's a lie and is saying it like is Veronica finally starting to be a double agent for Hiram that now that she's trying to quote unquote help Archie like I know that she still loves him but what if she's

going to turn against all of them and be on Hiram's side interesting see I was not that skeptical of the news I was like oh no hell's dead but I think you're probably right and I mean right why would I mean he's a serial killer and they just want to transfer him to a new not high secure not maximum security prison with windows everywhere so they probably shouldn't transfer the serial killer not that I

believe in the carceral system whatsoever but Hal is probably an escape risk you know yeah he's definitely like he's told Betty that you got to get me out of here like there's no he's definitely escaped so now what is how Cooper

going to do that he's going to return because again if you want anybody to be gone forever in Riverdale, you have to watch them die. That's it. That's the only way to get rid of them. Unless what I was thinking, because I was so confused at the end of this episode,

thinking of the last five minutes we would find out something about Fred Andrews, what if it was like a car accident involving Fred Andrews and like a truckload of prisoners and they're just going to try to take care of it all in one? And then that creates a plot line where both Betty and Archie are dealing with you know, having lost parents. Well, because I was actually reading some interview

because, of course, I got sucked into the article because it was like, like, listen to what KJ. Appa has to say about the, excuse me, KJ.E.E.P. What Kijieppe has to say about how they're going to resolve Luke Perry's death. And in it, he said, well, like, well, you know, like now Luke, he's like, now in the show, Fred Andrews had, like, left and is out of Riverdale right now.

So, of course, you know, Molly Ringwald's is going to come back in. I was like, did I miss something in the episode that he left? But he didn't, right? No, the only thing that everyone kept, there's all these headlines misleading that are like, it's Luke Perry's last episode of Riverdale and it's heartbreaking. And I kept thinking there would be a plot line about it, but there isn't. There's like one moment, which happens every time a friend and Archie are together where Archie's like, Dad, what should I do?

and Fred's like, I don't know, son. And I guess that's the heartwarming moment where they like had a moment that they always have together. They always have. They're like, their like, you know, father-son relationship.

But that's the last moment that we're, which is sad that was the last moment that we see Luke Perry. And it is very sad that, I mean, it's been so weird to watch this footage of Luke Perry from before he died. And so that part is sad.

But I was just so, I was left so confused by the fact that there was no resolution with Fred Andrews, and we know that there will be no more Luke Perry, and so I'm just afraid they're going to do some real stupid shit. Like, Fred Andrews was driving the car that killed all the prisoners. Now he's dead now. Everybody's dead.

Because honestly, they could because they have to do something. They have to at least address it in some fashion. Yeah, or I guess if he's out of town, it's not like he goes with Gladys or something. Like Gladys is about to leave town for good and hide. Hopefully not for good because hopefully she'll be back. And there's no way that's for good either. She has to come back because jelly beans there. She has to come back.

Yeah. But there's been no setup for why Luke Perry would need to leave town. And obviously they would have to have him leave town, you know, forever. Yeah. But then we go back to it's so ridiculous. The Archie plot line with the boxing and like he gives the money to the family or the boxer that he killed, even though technically it wasn't his fault. And then that's all fine.

So don't worry. I don't have to watch another courtroom drama with Archie again because it was like, if this is where this is going, I swear to God, Riverdale, do not make me, don't do this to me, please, I can't do this again. But then Elio was really pushing that he's called the Riverdale Reaper, which is what the last serial killer in Riverdale was called. Why? I thought the last serial killer was called the Black Hood.

Is there another one since that? Oh, I meant no, not the black, like before the black hood. Remember that like dude that Archie met in the truck when they were like picking up the drugs for Penny Peabody? And that was the act like we think that that was the actual Riverdale Reaper. So why is Elio pushing that like, is this a just something that like the writers didn't think about? Or does it mean more? Huh. You know what I mean?

Is that, yeah, I do. That's a good question. I mean, maybe they're planting the seed. And we did see a scene between Elio and Hiram in the steam room because they're always in the damn steam room where they're basically, Hiram, of course, is like, yes, I'm willing to work with you again to conspire against Archie Andrews. Man, leave the boy alone, Hyram. Leave him alone.

He's a kid. He's a kid. Good to bring it back. Good to have Hiram back in the saddle. I do it. I hate that when they. where I don't want to watch them get along. That's not why we watch the show.

Yeah, I know it was dumb. Yeah, it was dumb and I knew it wouldn't last and I knew Hiram had something up his sleeve. So great. I love Hiram Lodge is really just one of my favorite characters. It really is where it's just, I know I feel like every episode I'm saying this about another person because they're all my favorite

characters except for fucking fuckhead Archie and fuckhead Ricky which I don't trust within an inch of my life. But Hiram now that he just swerves that boat around, man. It's like, yeah, no, no, I said I was good with them. But Elio, Elio, miho, I know that I'm not. That was terrible. I don't even know why I tried. Molly, I just know what I can't do, I can't even try to do an exit anymore. You know, that's not something I do. But I'm very excited

to watch Hiram go the fuck after dumb Archie, who I honestly at this point doesn't even deserve it. just too dumb to waste your time with, Iroam. I'm so glad Archie is so dumb, though, because of all the traumas he's experienced, I think somebody who had more awareness of his life would be really traumatized by, like, the fact that Archie has already faced a criminal trial and now, once again, thinks he killed somebody would be extremely triggering. Yes. But he's just like, uh, I guess I'll just give her the money and that'll solve that problem.

But then he goes to like confront Elio about all this and like, dude, do you want to kill another person? Because I feel like now at this point, I feel like he's been around so many people that have been killed and has been a part of it that it does almost seem like maybe this kid should go to jail. Maybe it's time. And Elio and Hiram's conversation was trying to set up Archie to be like he has a dark side. And then, you know, it's like Dark Betty. Like, like, you know, oh, Archie actually, the real, Hiram says like the real Archie Andrews is the one that almost killed you.

Like, and I don't think that that's true. We've never actually seen a real sinister side of Archie Andrews other than the fact that he is, sometimes he gets tired of being mauled by bears constantly. Yeah. Gets just sick of this shit, you know. But Archie, I don't think actually has a dark side the way that Betty does,

but they're trying to frame it like he does. So maybe that's going to be a new plot line too of like bad, bad Archie. You know what? Please. Especially if he loses his father. Oh, molly.

Please, please, please, please, please let that happen because then they have to do something. They have to try and redeem Archie's character in all of our eyes. I don't know of anyone that likes what Archie does. You know what I mean? Like, let's switch it up. Yeah, and honestly, dark Betty made me love Betty much more.

Not first season, Dark Betty, but later, Dark Betty. Like, made me really like Betty a lot. I thought she made her much more interesting character. Yeah. It would not hurt them to make Archie a more interesting character. Yeah, that's great. Hell, you are. I really hope that's what we got to get out of here.

We have to stop talking about Riverdale, which I feel like there's still so many more things. Because this episode really up there for me, guys. Really, really enjoyed it. Yeah, they're back. back in the saddle. Hiro's back in the saddle. Riverdale's back in the saddle. And I mean, we all know that RIP, Fred Andrews, is not back in the saddle. But we love him and hopefully that at least we can get something positive out of his passing in life is that maybe we can get better plot lines for Archie. So at least maybe there's that on the horizon. At least there's

that. You know, there's always Riverdale. Always that silver lining, guys. We love you so much. Thank you for joining us this week on season three episode 19 of Fear the Reaper, which, oh, God, you're not the Reaper, Archie. You had one boxing fight, but that's fine. It was great, and thank you so much for listening, and we will talk to you next week. We're getting close to the end, Molly.

I know, I know. We're getting close to the end of this season. But we're going to be there. We're going to be there until the bitter end. You're doom. fucking straight. We love you. We'll talk you soon.

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