Page 7 - Riverdale Roundup Vol. 35: Survive the Night

Episode Date: May 22, 2019

Jackie and Molly wrap up the Roundup by diving deep into the bonkers episode that was the season finale. This episode was made possible by listeners like you! Support us on our Patreon-www.patreon.com/page7podcast Intro song by Green Dreams greendreams.bandcamp.com/music Subscribe to SiriusXM Podcasts+ to listen to new episodes of Page 7 ad-free.Start a free trial now on Apple Podcasts or by visiting siriusxm.com/podcastsplus. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

I am horny with anticipation to discuss this episode, Riverdale Season 3, season finale, survive the night. I, Molly, Molly, I waited to watch the season finale. It was very difficult for me. It's very difficult for me. I didn't look at anything. I knew nothing. and I watched it after I watched the Game of Thrones.

Oh, that's a good palate cleanser. It's a good pallet cleanser. I did, I watched Game of Thrones, and then I watched Barry, and then I watched Riverdale. It was a night of cinema movie magic. And I know that you don't care about Game of Thrones, but I wasn't, I wasn't overall pleased. I know many people weren't. Yes. And on Riverdale, though, I had to keep pausing it to just be like, now that's how you end.

deceit. Oh, baby. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I have, I clapped. I stood up and clapped, I think, four different times. I was so excited. It was so good. This show is ridiculous. You guys have listened to us, come up with theories for months, and we still weren't right. Well, hey now, I was not totally wrong, re Jason Bloss. Yes, you were very good at it also with the organs and things like that. I feel like you were definitely on that path. And you were on, you've called many, you've called many a thing. You definitely were like scooching towards the organ harvesting with your cloning guesses.

But, you know, I was concerned that Jason Blossom corpse would be reanimated. And I was not entirely wrong. You weren't wrong. You weren't wrong. I love it. I love it. Especially, it's just like the true. Did you end up watching it with,

with Gideon? No. So this is part of the problem is that like I ran out of time and I ended up watching it like on my phone alone, which is not the best environment to watch. It's better to like watch it with somebody else so you can talk through it. So I'm just like sitting here processing everything that happened alone and really working,

going through like a very intense emotional roller coaster trying to decide how, I feel about everything that happened in this episode because about 2,000 things happened. And every three, you know how we always complain about threads being introduced and then never followed up on? Every thread from every fucking second of all three seasons all reappeared in this episode. How fucking smart! How smart it was! And that's insane because I know that smart is not a word you usually use to describe Riverdale.

But I will say this really knocked it out of the park because I didn't see it coming that Penelope Blossom was the mental gargoyle king. Yeah, I got to admit, I didn't see that coming either. And what I loved about this episode for sure was that they laid out, you know, sometimes Riverdale takes its time. It takes, sometimes it takes an entire episode. Sometimes it takes like four episodes for something to, you know, be laid out clearly. Happened. Yeah. something to happen.

And in this episode, in the first 10 minutes, everything we need to know is set. Splayed. Like, in the first 10 minutes, the four, our four beloveds, the main characters, all get an invitation.

And Betty, even though she's about to have brain surgery, a la like Mr. Burns slash Frankenstein. She has a line run across her forehead. That's also not even how you give a lobotomy. Like, I don't know what he was.

Was he just planning on like, I guess he was just going to take out her brain? That's, I mean, my only reference for this is the Simpsons treehouse of horror about Frankenstein, where they cut off just exactly like that, just the top, the entire top of the head so that they can take out the brain. And just like, whoop? But she is about to have her brain, her skull opened by Ever Never. And then, but, but, yeah, so that's a whole, we could talk about how she got out of the farm. But in the first 10 minutes, they all end up at Penelope Blasms, Graham. Well, because it also opens with Tony after Tony escaped and she went, which also,

Tony, don't go to Thistle House, Tony. That's right. You don't run to Cheryl's house. You really think Cheryl's mother's going to do me. But that's where she lives. I know, but like go to anybody else's house that maybe could help. Yeah, that's true. Right.

Tony goes to the least trustworthy person in Riverdale, who is Penelope Blossom, who I had totally been. been sleeping on this whole season. Oh, man. And she's been, and she's been just behind the scenes with her marionette strings. Oh, God, I love it. We thought she was just running her dominatrix brothel, but it turns out she is the behind the scenes person. So as Tony lays out all of this to her, she's like, we need help.

We need to go help Cheryl. And Penelope poisons her because that's what Penelope does. That's her thing. And then she summons all four kids. Somehow she gets, so she goes to, that's right, she goes to the farm, visits Edgar Evernever, with whom she seems to have kind of a special relationship because he just gives her Betty. Oh yeah. They have, I mean, well, she bought her from Edgar Evernever, which is what.

She did buy her. What? I wonder how much Betty was worth. Was it, like, was it a sexual thing? Or was it, like, I am intrigued by how she bought her? Where's Dagwood? Like, not to get on a total. total side road.

Well, she ended up giving the baby to, wait, Alice gave the baby because she wanted the baby to go back with the other baby. What's the other baby's name? That was Juniper though. She was like, yeah, she was like, go re-you, she, she, later on in the episode,

Alice helps Juniper the baby escape with Cheryl. But it just in the beginning, when she, what, just in the first few minutes, we see Penelope go get, Betty, Betty, spring Betty from Edgar Evernever, and I'm reminded, oh yeah, Penelope has a special relationship with Edgar Evernever because she was also able to just go and get the other baby, the baby boy, Jagwood, call him Jason. But meanwhile, we had to not see that baby in this whole episode, and I'm a little concerned

about that baby. No, where is the baby? Where's that baby? Where's that baby? Especially if she's in the process of like, you know, covering up a whole ring of murder game things that she's been working on, which also the nun is still alive from the Sisters of Quiet Mercy

with, man, the way she, when all the kids came in at the dinner table when they were about to be revealed that obviously the Gargoyal King and the Black Hood are in cahoots, which I still don't really understand. No. But I'm fine with that. It doesn't make sense.

So they come in, then also, the nun who everybody thought was dead, was not dead, and she had just a gun that she was holding out like, as if she had T. Rex arms the entire time where it's like, Mama, that ain't how you hold a gun. I know I'm only able to get a couple of times in my life, but I'm pretty sure that's not how you effectively hold a gun.

But that was really funny, where she just had the one gun on all of them and made them dress up really fancy. I loved everything about it. I loved how they brought the four of them together, but also, like, T.T. was just left to her own devices, right, to just go off and do whatever she's going to do.

after old creepy woman was like Antonet you must wake up which man do they just keep her in a cage do they keep that old woman in a cage I was trying to figure out if it was the same old woman or if the original old woman must have died I think it's the same old woman but I couldn't quite tell

I think it's the same old woman but well T T T T T T T T T T T's not disappoint in this episode either but no she kind of recedes into the into the background for a minute while all four kids have this dinner with Penelope Blossom, she very helpfully just reveals all of her exposition in like two sentences.

She's like, by the way, this is the Black Hood. Here's the Gargoyle King. The Gargoyle King isn't Jason. It's a different person. Who could it be? It's Chick with dyed red hair. Chick! Chick! Chick is back on the scene.

He's back on the scene. I think, I have a. feeling we called that like we never saw that chick was murdered. Yeah, I think you called that. Anytime you don't see someone actually get murdered and see the corpse that means they're not dead, which we're going to get to that when it comes to the blackhood because I feel like this is another fake out. Well, as you've said a couple episodes ago that nobody ever really dies on Riverdale and which is why it's sad that one of the main characters actually died in real life because that's the only way to actually die on Riverdale is to actually die because everybody else, if they're dead,

they're not dead. They coming back. No, they coming back. Except for, as we all know, Luke Barry will never come back. And that is terrible. And they still haven't done anything with that. But you know what? I get it. There's way too much happening right now. They're like, we'll just write that into the next season. We got the next season. Don't worry. I'm sure that we will get, you know, I think that everyone will get the like the send off we all weirdly crave for Luke Perry. There is so much happening right now that I think also in the first 10 minutes we see Archie go up to his mother, Molly Ringwald, and say, hey, Mom, Hiram Lodge. Because Hiram Lodge is arrested, Veronica now owns El Royale, and she gave it to me, and now I own it free and clear. And what was the mom's response? But, well, that's nice, Archie, but I'm more interested in what your romantic relationship is. You guys romantically. Jesus Christ.

What? Your son owns a boxing gym now. Also, maybe you should have, it doesn't, you know, it doesn't make any sense. That's why I think, which I can't even believe I forgot about the fact that like in the beginning, they're like

signing the papers and feeling so good about themselves that they put Daddy away. And now they get all of the things, which obviously that's not how that works. And obviously, you gave all of this information to the effigion. FBI, Ronnie. You think that that's just, you think that's just not, like nothing as bad is going to happen?

So they take Hermione Lodge away. They throw her in the jail. Now, the question is the Lodge prison, is that a men and women's prison? Is Hiram Lodge at his own prison? He's at his own prison because remember what he was doing the lifting the weights and then like all of the security dudes that have Lodge written on there? So essentially he's in a large concrete mansion. He is not in prison.

And he's just like, yeah, ha ha, ha. You'll watch what I'm going to do to you, miha. As he just like leans back down. It's like, of course he's going to put them in the ground or whatever he's going to do. What do you think he's going to do, though? Well, you know, this is why fucking Ronnie and Archie deserve each other because no one's ever been more naive than Ronnie. Had a shorter memory than Ronnie, as I've been complaining about for years. She's just like, okay, daddy's gone.

He can't bother me anymore. And then... Everything's fine. Appropriately, this is also the episode where, despite the fact that she has just been poisoned, Ronnie and Archie decide to stop and have a DTR, like a long, drawn-out DTR in the middle of the woods, where they're like, what are we exactly?

And then they end up getting back together. But also, can we just throw out one more time? Poor, poor Reggie. She just said. she just said that she would get back together with him I feel like Reggie's going to snap next season I think Reggie's going to like he must he has to

How does he not serial killer number four Reggie Maybe Or something I feel like something's gonna happen Because there's like none of these things got tied up with a bow You know Cheryl Blossom isn't dead So there's only I mean not Cheryl Blossom

Penelope Blossom isn't dead So it's like this stuff is like he's just going to all of a sudden be like, well, did that, gotta keep on going. I think that they're going to draw this the fuck out, but I think that Reggie's going to fucking flip, dude. Well, and speaking of tied up with a bow,

I feel like we are meant to think that it is kind of tying up with the bow that the Black Hood, Hal was working for Penelope the whole time, and that she brought back chick, dyed his hair red, started calling him Jason, and made him be the gargoyle king,

all to carry out the further mission of the Black Hood's mission, which was to remind the city of Riverdale that they're all full of sinners, which Hal ostensibly did for his own reasons that he explained in season two, which I don't remember. And then Penelope's reasons

were that she was like stolen from the Sisters of Quiet Mercy as an orphan and made to be a child bride for the blossoms. Right. So they kind of try to wrap it all up. But I got, I'm not sure if I'm satisfied, to be honest. Why chick?

Why is his hair dyed red and why is she calling him Jason just because she's so overcome with grief for the loss of her child? She just made fake Jason and she made him be her. You're right. I like the way you put it that she's the psychological gargoyle king and then Chick slash fake Jason is the real gargoyle king. But what's her connection to Jason? I mean to Chick. Also, why would Chick go back to Riverdale? After everything that happened, why would he go back unless he's also being brainwashed?

because then when she got Dagwood, she also renamed him Jason. Yeah, right. The second, right? Right. So is she? Well, I guess that's some consistency. She has every boy in her custody. She just names Jason.

Now it's just Jason. Now they're all Jason, which, mama, you got to go to a therapist. I think that's really what needs to happen here. I think no one's talking about the mental health problems in Riverdale, but that's another story for another stuff. I think that she's just, I think it's maybe cartoonishly to the point that she just can't even handle her grief. So she's doing these things. But then what is she going to do, which, what is she going to do when Cheryl Blossom, inevitably, everyone's going to find out that Cheryl Blossom is hanging out with Jason's corpse?

And then what's going to happen? Oh my God! When she opened up the door, which is that... And Jeff and I both looked at each other. We're like, it's Jason's corpse. And I knew, like, it was great. I felt like we were a part of Riverdale. I feel like Riverdale was a part of us.

And I loved that scene. And in the end with, it's okay, JJ. I'm here. You know what? Throwing it out there. Cheryl Blossom does a great creepy character. That was crazy. That was totally creepy.

But what accounted for her change of heart from initially being scared of his corpse? So probably what was happening was that they were using his slightly reanimated corpse and really only slightly to when she was in her hypnosis with Edgar, right? Probably what was happening was that this corpse of Jason Blossom

was the thing being suggested to her that she was talking to Jason. Yeah. Because he was just like sitting alone in a dark room in a wheelchair. But at first she was scared of him. him like, oh my God, Jason's corpse. And then by the end of the episode, she's like, hello, JJ.

And I wasn't sure what had changed. I don't know. I have no idea. And also, I don't know anything about what Dr. Cudel Jr. does, but like his lips were definitely sewed shut. And that was very creepy. It was a very, they did such a great job in this episode of making it creepy as fuck. We haven't even gone through all of the different quests that they had to go through

in the forest while they were on the run. and they're all being watched by the gargoyles. So essentially Penelope Blossom releases them into the woods. They have to survive the night. They must go through all the quests. This episode was great. Yes, that was a good conceit. The first 10 minutes we see it all, how it all comes together with Penelope and Hal and

Chick and the Black Hood and the Gargoyle King. And then she's like, and now one final quest. And so she sends the four kids out into the woods to play. one to do one more round of griffins and gargoyles, which also she reintroduced to tactically, because she was the one who introduced it 20 years ago or whatever at Ascension Night with the original breakfast club crew, and then now she reintroduced it, I guess, to sew chaos and Riverdale,

which she hates. And so now she's like, you have to play one more round. Even though she's, she owns a brothel. How against sinners can she be in this way? world of what sinning is. I mean, I don't see sex as sinning, but I think that like overall, isn't that like a big thing that is a quote-unquote sin? But it's, I guess I took that to be kind of part of her whole, she wants to like debauch. She's just like debauching Riverdale because she's always seen it as so full of sin. And so she's just like debauching it with G&G,

deba, watching it with the brothel, I assume. Okay. And so, yeah, so she sends the four kids out and each, through the woods, each they keep finding cards. So there's one card that says the Red Paladin in which Archie has a task of, apparently now there's just monsters in Riverdale. Ooh, what is that thing? My favorite, though, he's like, I gotta defeat another one. Which is very funny. I was just like, are we really going to watch the bear fight now?

But no, he didn't have to defeat a bear. He had to defeat a man that was essentially looked like he was wearing a bear outfit made of bones. And they had to fight. Was it a man or was it a monster? It looked like a kind of like, like, there's like a specific Marvel character I can't think of. But I was like, what the fuck is going on with this? But again, I was watching on my phone. So maybe I just couldn't see very clearly.

But he was just like, ugh, that guy's 10 feet tall. But Ronnie, I've been fighting all year. I got this. I still have. I don't know why I can't shake it. The sneaking suspicion that it has something to do with the far. and reanimating people. I feel like this is where Riverdale is going,

which I know that we will do with this at the end of like, what the fuck is going to happen next season? I think that they might be reanimating people. Okay. Yeah. Go with me on this one. And that that is what is going to be the biggest problem in the town is things like that that like maybe this dude was like a piece together

creature monster that was finding because he definitely didn't seem like just a guy. He didn't, no. He seemed like something more. But yeah, maybe he was a reanimated corpse as well. Interesting. And so Archie defeats him by bashing him with a bone. Because, you know, they had all of the environment bones out, like those gargoyles too. Man, do they love it.

It's like, it's like, it's like Jojo to Shiplap is gargoyles to bone decorations. You know what? I really admire their dedication to setting up an environment. And Penelope, by the way, has a whole army of gargoyles just at her disposal, which I guess is the gargoyle gang, although these guys seem to get like actual borderline real gargoyles. Like there's just squads of hundreds of people. Like there's just so many unaccounted for people in Riverdale. Like all of those lost boys last week, all of these gargoyles this week. And so the reason why the four kids have to keep completing all the tasks is because they're like the gargoyles are everywhere.

watching them. So Archie completes his task. And then Veronica's task is to like play spin the bottle with the poison shall. Which also got to say great to harken back to the flashback of them doing the kid's version of Spin the Bottle when it just was kissing. And now it's down to Betty and Veronica of like who's going to die by poison. Yes. Back when Riverdale was a slightly normal show about normal teen problems like playing spin the bottle with your friends crush instead it is now a show about who's going to drink the poison and die first turns out they're all poison they're all poison which also good for you penelope making choices i loved that that was great i was like Fuck yeah, that's awesome.

It was, she, you know, on the one hand, I appreciate that the game, the game thing, the game set up, it's a great narrative device. On the other hand, I'm kind of tired of the rug being pulled out from under me where she's just like, oh, yes, it's a game, but I don't play by the rules. I invent my own rules. They're all poison. Slow dose poison. You know, it's just like, what's the point of playing this damn game if the rules are changing

all the time? Also the fact that like if you want these children to die, which you essentially said at the beginning of this episode, why would you have the antidote at the end? You have no antidote. That's the thing. That's what makes it crazy. Is it like, oh, now they're actually going to die. And I think that's what's kind of fun. We're like, no, she likes the toy.

She likes to toy with it. She does. She likes to be like, she says like there's no way you'll make it through the night. And even if you do, you'll still die. but of course she's never dealt with these four scrappy Riverdale kids because they survive everything and not only survive everything but are remarkably chill props to Betty and Veronica for being poisoned

and just being like all right let's just keep going and they're still kissing in between like that's good for that yeah they're still kissing Veronica and Archie have their DTR where they both tell each other that they love each other and then Jughead's task is also fighting somebody which was stupid because Jughead like doesn't fight? He doesn't fight. He doesn't fight. That's not what he does. Obviously. I mean, he's just such a, he's such a skinny man. Yeah, Jughead's Task should have been like playing

chess with somebody or something because he's like a little, he out thinks people. I feel like by that point they were just like, let's just keep it moving. We're already like tying up 17 plot points. So we'll just like, okay, he fights him. Da, da, da, da, he hits him. Okay. And then we keep going. Yeah, it was like in the script, the writers just put like, come back to Jughead's task. And and then just ran out of time. They were like, all right, whatever. Good, good, good, good. He fights somebody.

But he surprisingly wins. He surprisingly wins. Did they kill that guy? Definitely. And did Archie kill the monster man? I mean, they both knocked him out. And then they moved on, which if it was me and I was fighting for my life in the damn woods.

I'd make sure they were dead. I'd make sure they were dead before I moved on. Mm-hmm. And then we get to Betty's task. And then we get to Betty's task. Which also, I love that they all had their names. even though it's like, yeah, of course, Juggett as Hellcaster, and, like, we've got the Red Paladin. But I didn't realize Ronnie was called the enchantress, but also dope name.

I didn't realize that either. I was wondering if that was new or if I had missed that in the past, because Ronnie's never really played G&G. No, she's always, you know, she's got boxing things to do and daddy things to deal with. So she's been running a business. So then we get down to Betty's task. Yes. Which is just a box with a gun in it. Man, this teen, I just, and then the black hood comes out, which of course, twice in the episode that he reveals himself as if the audience doesn't know who he is.

We know it's you, Hal. Yeah, you don't even have to put the mask on. You don't need it anymore. We get it. We know who you are. But what's so funny is that she, so she's got to kill her own father. It's exactly what she never wanted to have to do. and she shoots him in the hand for him to drop the gun, which very smart,

but also that means now the man has no hands, and that kind of sucks. So how's he going to be a serial killer? That'll be kind of fun for next season, though, just like the no-handed serial killer. No-handed serial killer. He's going to stump him to death, which I'm down for. Or he puts all, he could be a great Somalié, though, and maybe they could put like a wine cork, like screw thing in his other hand. And then he's just, get it, he's handy.

Ha ha ha ha. I'm the winner here. But also, so as we know, she shoots him, and then Penelope Bossom, with the antidote hanging from the tree, Penelope Bossom comes out, was like, oh, no, you didn't do it right, essentially. And then shoots Hal in the head in front of all four of them. Oh, yeah, I forgot. There can be no, no-handed serial killer next season

because Hal got shot in the head by Penelope. Why, though? But that's the thing though, Molly Neffel. Did we see it happen? No, we didn't. And I think they would have at least, of course, it is still on the CW, and there's only so much you can show on the CW, but they would have shown the corpse.

And I'm calling nay. I'm slapping a nay on it. Or she like shot him in the chest and that he's not actually dead. Because they didn't show it. And I know that Riverdale does this. and I'm not playing, I'm not falling for this trap. Plus, we might live in a world now where corpses can be reanimated. That's the thing.

And wouldn't that be great? I'm calling zombies. I'm calling zombies. I'm calling on reanimated creatures. I'm calling it now. Especially because I know that we haven't gotten here to this part of it yet. So we get through all of the things. I just, I really wanted to speak to, I found this article on Riverdale because I

I didn't know. I'm just reading this right now. So they talk about in the end, of course, which I love. I got this fucking episode. They meet back up after all of this. And they're like, next to your guy's senior year, never going to have another problem ever again. Yeah, I know that like Benelope Blossom just like skip town. And we don't know where she went with all of her gargoyle people.

But like also three of the four of them are missing their parents. Four of the four of them. Yeah. None of them have parents anymore. None of them have parents anymore. And they're all just like, let's have a great senior year. But, you know, the least skied. Oh, we're just still there.

You know, we still have our FP and our daddy is still there. And, oh, my God, we didn't even talk about, we didn't talk about the farm yet. All right, we'll circle back around to the farm. Because the thing is, is that then they have the flash forward to spring break next year. How good was that, Molly? How good was that? I, I was, I was frustrated. I was frustrated with it because I was like, what the fuck?

What? You're really going to do like a flash forward to the end of what is presumably next season? And so we have to work backwards from that? Work backwards. It is. They show Betty and Veronica and Archie in their skivies, which yes, please, but covered in blood. So no, please. And they are burning their clothes.

And Betty looks at Archie and was like, you have to burn his beanie. you have to burn Jughead's beanie. And Jughead is not in the scene. Jughead's not there. And Archie doesn't want to burn the beanie. Which furthers my thought that maybe Jughead dies and it becomes reanimated. Yeah, that's certainly what I'm afraid of. Jughead's going to die.

I don't think that they can kill him off, though. So what if this becomes a world? Because apparently there is a comic called Afterlife with Archie that has actually been written. but what if that's the direction they go in? Or that he's reanimated, but then, like, he ends up, like, through some sort of Riverdale magic becoming a person person again. Uh-huh. Yeah. Right.

They just find, if they find the antidote hanging from a tree, he can become a real person again. Who knows? Who knows? I feel like, but if there is someone that can create an antidote to literally anything, it seems, it is Penelope Blossom. And the fact that she is not dead, she's going to come back around. And that they're, the reason,

the whole night in the woods culminates, with T.T. and the gang of the pretty poisons and the serpents together at last. They're working together. I love it. I love it. Now they're all going to have sex. A rogue army of lost children coming in with their bows and arrows and ambushing all of the gargoyles. And that was a very satisfying scene. That was great. I really did. I did the cheer of, They're working together. And that made me so excited. Because we didn't even talk about, we haven't even, oh my God. We haven't talked about the fact that Alice Cooper. is an FBI informant this entire time.

And that her brother, I mean, her son, Alice's brother, sorry, Alice's son, Betty's brother and drugheads brother. And jugheads brother. Awkward if you're boned on somebody and you have a brother in common. Very awkward. And an FBI agent comes to the door, says, hi, I'm an FBI agent. By the way, Alice Cooper was actually an informant. She was working with the farm to try to get us information.

And also, I'm her son, Charles. Charles. And so we have, now we have Chick back, who is now Jason Blossom. And we have Charles in our lives now, who is the real son of Alice Cooper, who is also an FBI informant. Or he's an FBI agent. Alice Cooper was working with him to bust open the farm, which is, Great, and it makes complete sense, and it also makes sense of why she wouldn't tell that to Betty, because Betty would be flapping her yap all over the place.

And Alice Cooper is amazing. So she's been working from the inside. That's true, although she did just abandon Betty to, like, literally be homeless and parentless for months. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But she's got places to crash. She's got things, and if she didn't fully invest, how was she going to become, like, a wife of, of Edgar. So this explains in part why she,

when she met up with Betty and was like, I am at the farm because they helped me see my son Charles. She was seeing her son Charles, but it's because Charles wasn't dead. And to the extent that Cheryl was seeing Jason, it's because she was probably being hypnotized to see his reanimated corpse. Oh, yeah. Oh, fucking yeah, dude.

And then, right, the other thing, the other thing is that the farm, amidst the panic of you know the word being spread about the organ harvesting Edgar decides that it's time to ascend which appears to be kind of a heaven's gate situation but we don't know what happened

did they all commit suicide we walk we go in at the end we see Kevin has been left behind thank goodness what do you mean no he's not gone in a heap of cloth the way everyone else got left behind yes but everyone else is either dead

dead or they're just they were all just piles of cloth i don't think they're probably actually dead i don't think it's like a real jones town situation but uh it certainly sounded like that he was like we got to ascend tonight and they all ascended and so now charles who apparently has never been dead is an fbi i agent and he's like we got to find them so we're looking all over riverdale you think they stayed in riverdale meanwhile he said that this guy goes town to town that's the thing I'm very confused. Now, I want to just, like, have a hit a pause button here because I couldn't really remember.

Of course, we now know that the season three of Riverdale is going to be slapped on Netflix at the end of this week. I'm going to watch the entire thing again. I think, didn't Chick and Charles know each other when... Yes. Right, because he was... Wasn't Charles a drug dealer? Yes.

And Chick was a drug... They were either both drug dealers or drug users or both drug users. They were both drug users. And Chick said that he watched Charlie overdose and didn't save him. Right. And then he assumed his identity. So do we, number one, trust Charles.

Do we like him? Do we trust him? Yeah, I don't know. I mean. Because I don't know if we should. They keep saying that's impossible. But meanwhile, the only word they had, there was some other way that they confirmed that Charles was dead, but I can't remember.

But basically the way that they felt. found out Charles was dead was Chick's word. Obviously, chick's not trustworthy. But the whole reason they wanted Chick to die in the first place was because he, like, allegedly let Charles die. So if he actually didn't let Charles die, then there was really no reason to send the black hood after chick in the first place. No, just because he's, just because a dude does drugs doesn't mean he should die.

Be summarily executed by a serial killer. But then also, it's like, can you imagine in that scenario that, like, Hal runs after him? He's like, I'm going to kill the sinner. And then he catches them. He's like, you know what? This kid would make a really good fake Jason Blossom. And then he just delivered him to Penelope Blossom.

Is that what happened? I guess that's what happened. That's what I was having a hard time with. Like why Chick was like, yeah, sure, I'll, like, be fake Jason Blossom. No problem. I'm, I do. So I'm definitely slapping up. I'm putting a question mark on Charles.

because I don't think I trust him. And I think I'm sure that there's going to be a reason. But now the, so now to circle back around, where did they ascend to? I don't think that they're gone. I don't think this is like a, you know, a left behind situation. What is that called the gobbledygook from in the sky when they go, when they're on the, when they get taken? Is it just, what is that called? In the Bible?

Is that a Bible thing? Yeah. You know what I mean. Apocalypse. Yeah. that kind of horrible. Molly, what if this is the beginning of the apocalypse in Riverdale? And that's what the next season's going to be about.

It's going to, next season is going to be a combination of left behind Walking Dead and Riverdale. I don't know. Because they didn't set it up because at the end of last season, we were like, okay, well, something's going on with this. Cookie Farm. So we had that. But we don't have that at the end of this. So I feel like they're about to just fucking springboard and do something ridiculous next season. I mean, there's nowhere to go, but, you know, either up or down, depending on how you want to look at it.

I think it's up. I think that's what it is. I think, and they left Kevin behind, and we don't know. I know they left Kevin mine to tell the story, but he didn't tell the story. But also, Alice is with them somewhere. And did Penelope Blossom the fact that she just upped and bumped out of town? Is that a part of the quote-unquote essential? and they had moved all of the organs that they had harvested.

Where did those organs go? Where do they send them? How do they protect themselves? Unless they literally just upped and every time they, quote, unquote, ascend, they just move towns, which could also be that. It could be that. They could be using the organs to create themselves into kind of a race of like superhumans. Another big question I have is that both Betty,

not to keep harping on this, but both Betty and Veronica have zero. parents right now. Archie has one. Archie and Jughead both have one parent. But like one parent is enough. Zero parents, not enough. No, it's not enough. And also, I mean, they have all those friends in social work, you know, when it

harkens back to like the Ricky days. So maybe they don't have to worry about getting sent to an orphanage, I guess. Yeah, but what's going to happen to them? I don't know. They're going to have to become their own legal guardian or they're going to have to move in with their partners or something. but they're both, I just want to, I just want the record to show that both of them have zero parents available to take care of them. Yes. And so I think, I mean, we all know they're going to be fine unless, you know, the town gets reanimated and, you know, then they get to start fighting zombies.

And then also think about going to college. I am just, I'm over the moon with what happened this season. I'm so. brutally sad that it is over until you have another child. And, you know, it's like, it's just, I feel like a lot of things are going to change in the next couple of months. And I'm sad that Riverdale won't be there for us while this is happening. I know we'll have Katie Kean. I think Katie Kean's coming out soon. And I know, you know, I've got my Chernobyl, but it's not the same.

No, no, it's not the same. There's really only one Riverdale. I, this is, I mean, if there is a, if there is a, if there is a, one thing. And if you listen to Riverdale Roundup and you don't watch Riverdale, I just want to say maybe just check out this last episode because it was amazing. It was everything I wanted. And like I said, it's going to be on Netflix at the end of this week. So I'm just going to watch it all again, which I'm very excited about. Yeah, it's not a bad idea because if you do that, you can tell me whether what happens in terms of holding up, falling apart, all of that. I'm going to have to write, I'll write

down our questions and I'll see what's going on with their yeah I'm going to do a little snoops I'm gonna go back and see how well they really uh weaved all of this together how well they laid this groundwork for what was all woven together at the end it's the greatest show on television I love you guys so much thank you so much again for joining us for the last episode of Riverdale of this season we're going to be back and season four I think that comes out in like September or so. And I, I'm just, I'm, I'm very excited about it. And I hope you guys have a great summer.

And I hope that you keep Riverdale alive in your hearts. Because it's still there. It's in us now. Keep it alive, like a reanimated corpse. It's, I bet it's reanimated. Oh, I bet it's reanimated corpses. I love you guys. And we will talk to you soon.

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