Page 7 - Second Helpings - All Natural Takis

Episode Date: July 11, 2025

This week on Second Helpings MJ and Jackie recall the horrors of Jake's terrible snacks, the world of healthy faux snack foods, and then Meghan Markle fruit spread gets a brutal take down from JAM EXPERT DONNA COLLINS! Then some more chat on hyper expensive small batch goods, followed up with even more former royal chitchat, Jackie's knuckles deep into 'The Ultimatum: Queer Love', while MJ's chunkin' his way through 'Sinners' (on MAX) between naps, spoiler heavy chat about 'The Rehearsal', 'I'm Glad My Mom Died' is becoming a show but thankfully Jennette McCurdy is producer AND showrunner with Jennifer Aniston playing the mom, the Paul Reubens doc will give tears and rage, AND SO MUCH MOOOOORE!!!!Want even more Page 7? Support us on Patreon! Patreon.com/Page7Podcast  Subscribe to SiriusXM Podcasts+ to listen to new episodes of Page 7 ad-free.Start a free trial now on Apple Podcasts or by visiting siriusxm.com/podcastsplus. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

A second time, It will. Let's get your full. Let's get you filled up. It's time for your second helpings. I hope you're hungry. I just ate a large bag of roasted chickpeas snacks. So I'm...

Tell me about it. What did we got on them? What did we put on it? Did you make them yourself? Did you buy them from the store? I mean, I eat a lot of chickpeas, but these are the store-bought ones. I wish I could tell you a brand name, I can't.

But they're like the, what if we put chip flavoring? Maybe. No, no, those are baby puffs. No, that's baby puffs. That's baby food. Jackie, that's baby food. I would never eat baby food. No, they're like, I'm sure it's like annoyingly branded like, good for you.

You know, good crunches. It's beans, never a chip in this bag. But it's like, what if we put chip powder on beans? And it's fun. Yeah, I've done the whole world of, you know, I will say very easy to just dry off a can of chickpeas that you've drained. Throw them in the air fryer, put some spices on it with a little bit of olive. Honestly, then you can make whatever you want.

You don't have to look at the dumb packaging of like, here at comes, thumbs, we take our chickpeas for a beauty walk every morning. You know, I don't want to even look at it on the packaging sometimes. Yeah, yeah, no, it enrages me. I've been thinking a lot about Jake's cassava. snacks and how sad they were. They were so... I feel like, yeah, can we go back to those snacks?

And how sad those snacks where he was trying? And I say, God bless it. Like, I'm very happy for him. I do say God bless it. And I can come at this from so many different angles because I've tried to have things that taste like chips but aren't chips for myself. I understand.

Totally. I've tried them for my kids. I'm like, okay, we're not getting protein the regular way through food. what if we got it through a processed snack? And so I, you know, and then sometimes you just have to admit that it is bad. And I just so appreciate Jake describing how bad the healthy snacks were. They're not all bad. Of course, there are delicious healthy snacks out there.

And it's healthy and arbitrary word to even fixate on. Yes, it is. Sure. But sometimes. But then you think like, you know, obviously I know my body should crave the grapes over the chips. Like, I understand that. I know that there is, like, a way in which we are animals and we should want, like, the regular natural.

But not here and good old USDA, baby. I tell you, make it more processed. But I, you know, that's why we have Jackie Snackies so that we try the Snackies and then we gift the Snackies to everyone in the office. Yes. And I really highly recommend, you want to try these snacks? You want to join me in these journeys? Bring them in to where.

Where you go with other people, so you share it with other people. This is my problem. Now I have a whole bag of Trader Joe's Tockees sitting around. And I am there if they were fine, but I will not eat them. And I don't. Sounds like you need a play date. I don't have a workplace. And yeah, what?

Bring it to the playground. Start creeping out the other parents. Being like, do you want to try this all natural talkie? Little boy, little girl. Do you want some scatmy talking from a stranger? Not a real talking. No, it doesn't look like a regular talkie. But don't worry about that. Don't tell you parents.

It's a healthy talk. Yeah, if it was real talkie, I'd have no problem giving those away. Go to the playground. They'd be gone in a second. They'd be gone. No, you know, I really, I trust that, you know, the quality snack people to be able to properly, at some point, create actual facsimiles. But it really does sometimes when looking through like the websites of people with food recipes and all of the fodder. Thank God they have now a button that says jump to recipe because I don't know what I did before it. And that I did know it was just scroll for a hundred million years. But sometimes it really drives me mad when they're like, zoodles, it tastes just like pasta.

We all know it doesn't. Don't lie to me. It doesn't have to. You can enjoy it as a zucchini, but it's not a pasta. Don't lie to me. But you know what you can enjoy as a spread, but it's not a jam, is Megan Markle's fruit spreads. I'm sorry. I know we don't need to spend time on this. I know we're done making fun of Megan Markle, but this bitch isn't. Her name is Donna Collins,

and she's a jam expert. Oh, no, you don't want to fuck with a Donna jam expert. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Of course, her name is Donna, and she's a jam expert, and she is appalled. I'm terrified of Donnas.

It's a power name. I think I've been scared of every Donna I've ever known a weak Donna. All don't know don't know. All Donnas are strong. No. No. I'm scared of them all. Yeah. I don't know what. I don't know if it's a generational thing. I do think this is. There's not a lot of Donna's our age. I will also say I mean this in a positive way. Like I mean it in. No. It's like only a strength way. Yes. No, I'm glad that we agree on this. It is a, it is an admirable, powerful name. Also, I'm looking at this bitch and she don't look like a bitch. It's like, I would never even say the word jam in front of

this Donna. I'd say, yes, ma'am. Anything you say, ma'am, is it a spread? Oh, is it a jelly? So we have, we have tried to, you know, take feedback that people don't always want us to have a romp with Megan Markle's new branding or whatever. We can have a jam romp. We can have a jam romp. It's not about her as a person.

It's about the jam. And so she did post a picture of herself picking an apricot from an apricot tree. And she got made fun of because none of the apricot. were ripe except the one in her hand. And so everyone said, how are you picking a ripe apricot from a tree where there's no ripe apricots? That's not, she's not an, I mean, let the, let her,

murder pose. I mean, honestly, that should go against the people setting up the photo shoot, if anything. That's in a eye for detail. She's not claiming to be an apricot expert. I will defend her on that. You're right. You're right.

But she, so she has re, basically, she, you know, has her jams, but she's also selling something called a fruit spread. And here's what Donna Collins has to say about that. It's a real disappointment that Megan is selling a fruit spread, which is what you make when your jam fails. Whoa. Okay. Donna, you're cutting with your words right now. I need you to take a jelly queen's step back. It gets worse. In the jam industry, A spread is what we call something that didn't work. It could have the best ingredients, but if I had a jam that was way too runny, I'd slap a label at it and call it a spread. There's no excuse for this.

It should be perfect. There's no excuse. At this point, I have to defend Megan Merkel from Donna. Donna is too vicious. Honestly, Donna, you're going too far. I leave Megan alone. Here's a thing. Here's a thing.

Okay. If we're talking like smuckers, level jam. If we're talking the jam for the every man. Are you using smuckers as a, what do you, do you mean like a good jam for the everyman? Okay. I'm saying jam for the every man. Everyman's jam. If you're going after a Megan Merkel spread, you know, I feel like it would be one thing if these were people that like couldn't afford other food and that they have just received a subpar jam. But when you're spending $50 on a tiny, jar of jam. Not that I'm saying that you shouldn't receive the best quality jam because I'm sure that you should. But also it seems like you might have some auxiliary money that probably your kids aren't going unfed because you bought the spread. You're saying the rich people who buy the jam deserve whatever quality jam they get. It's not even that. It's that it's like a in the same way. You're

You know what? Quote me on it, everybody. Yeah, I am. Because here's the thing, you know. I was just complained about the crumble cookies. You spent so much money on the crumble cookies, but I would rather eat a cheaper, crappier cookie. Yes. That's how, that's how I feel about at luxury Adams in general. I'm like, an Oreo is fine. I don't need a crumble cookie. I just feel like there are certain things in life that are worth the extra money. I see. And, and, I don't know. I'm not Donna. Like, I don't know anything about a jam or a spread. I wouldn't know. Like, if I open that, I'd go yum, yum. Yeah. I'm putting it on my toast. You know what I mean? Yes. Yes. I'm with you. And I agree that whoever's getting you jams is going to be fine kind of either way. And it's probably a good spread. It's not that the rich people deserve a bad jam. I'm saying that a person that spends that much money and that it's, that it's, that it's, also going to complain? Well, that's kind of just, yeah.

You, it was, it was a random jam. You don't, you didn't know the qualities of the jam. Now again, I'm going to bend over backwards, to be fair to Megyn Markle, the jam is $9 per jar. Oh, I thought it was $50 per jar. There is, in my brain, $9 per jar for jelly. I just need everyone to know, may as well be $50.

I think that's the, yeah, that's really what it is. That is, that is, that just, just, speaks to our own financial situation. And also the keepsake packaging jam is 14. Oh, the keepsake packaging. To me, every jar of jam is a keepsake because I keep them and I reuse them for. I keep the jar. I keep the jar.

It's a good jar, you know. So everything can be a keepsake if you don't throw it away. But the keepsake, that's what I say is I'm just covered with all my trash. Like, yeah, keepsakes, MJ. Like you just walk in just a mound of. tissues and it's like, I have to make sure they're used properly. Yeah. They keep saying it appears to have like a nice cloth wrapped around the top.

I, you know, again, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, I wish her well. I, and I say, have fun with your fancy jam. There's 50 jars. Have fun. You know what? Some people, maybe, they, they prefer a spread over a jam. That's, how about that? I get, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what,

considers low quality is got to be the best jam that you or I have ever eaten in our lives. Maybe we're missing out on a whole world that we've never experienced. Okay, guys, let us know. Page 7 Podcasts Gmail.com. What jam exploded your brain that you're like, these bitches have never met a jam before? You know what I'm thinking about, Jackie? That roadside, what's it called Casa de Fruta that you and Jeff took me to? Oh, yes, Casa de Fruta.

They've got some jams. And like that type, like in Dubuque, there is a little street called Bluff Street, and it has like all these little like, like, it's not even like souvenir stores. It's cuter, you know? It's like, it's like potpourri and candles and jams. Oh, yeah. It's like the, it's the upper echelon. What's the, with chicken and dumplings?

The place that has a show. Oh my God, what's wrong with me? My brain, I just woke up. Keep speaking. Okay. So, you know, Dubuque is not a place where you're going to be spending hundreds of dollars on anything, but you're going to go into these. Cracker barrel. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I didn't mean to yell keep speaking at you. It's just that my brain was hitting like a big wall of ice. What are you saying about Cracker Barrel? They got good jams. In the little souvenir store in front. I'm talking about that kind of level. It's a different level of a roadside establishment.

Yes, and the one in Dubu gets obviously a different kind of scene than the roadside stop in California, but the same like cute artisanal jams, and they're good, and I like them, you know. Good jams. It's a fine way to spend your time when you have been unceremoniously exiled from the royal family because they're racist. So make your jam. Make your jam. And write that memoir, bitch, because if you listen to us, we'll read it. And I do appreciate everyone, because when we were reading Prince Harry's celebrities,

We did lament a little bit, if you didn't check it out. We did lament that Megan Markle, honestly, we didn't get to know a lot about Megan Markle. We just learned a little bit about their love. But we all assume it's because Megan Markle is writing her own memoir. Certainly. We're probably going to read it when it comes out. Now I'm curious about the complexities of her.

Oh, yeah. This is the thing. Like, again, as a public figure, we can roll our eyes at her. But from hearing Harry's story about, you know, when they've fell in love and how they were treated by the British press and by the royal family. And we just hear it from his perspective, which again is probably because Megan was like, you know, don't speak for me. I'll speak for me when I eventually write the tell-all or whatever. You know, I want to book in her.

She's got a book. She's got something in common with Carmen Baldwin, 10-year-old child of Hilaria and Alec Baldwin. She's got a book in them. I quote, she's got a book in her all the time. I say it about everything. It has really made it into some things that I say all the time on mic don't usually cross over into the real world. But that is one of them.

I just keep saying one. You got a book in you? And no one understands what I'm referencing except for you and about five of our listeners. So thank you guys for letting me live in, you know, like we're keeping space for the Baldwinitos. And I think that that is good. And honestly, even me saying keeping space, I made a joke in my brain because MJ, I have really gotten lost in the world of queer ultimatum. Now, I haven't started it because I've been busy with a lot of other good TV. I completely understand.

But I need you to know that I, so I pulled out my lower back yesterday, everyone, while being a merman. And yeah, that is an interesting way for a 30. year old to pull out their lower back for the millionth time. But I was laying prone yesterday. And so I decided to really lean in to queer ultimatum. And of course, the first thing, I said to Jeff that I was watching queer ultimatum. And he's like, man, they really missed out not calling it ultimatum. And I said, yeah, you're right. And then I was talking about queer ultimatum with Mike Lawrence. And that was also the first thing he said. So I guess this is now times two, I'm sure there's They're not the only two people that have been subjected to the world of queer ultimatum that call it Altagatum.

But now I can only call it Altagatum. Yeah. And Altagatim is the opposite show of Love Island. And I love watching them both simultaneously. It's the opposite because of the people are queer and therefore less, not less insane necessarily, but like inherently more interesting. Yes, more attractive. I find them way more attractive. I find... Probably better at communication to some extent, right?

Their emotional communication is on a spectrum that the people on Love Island have never even seen. And they're only... And you'd be like, because Love Island, oh, they're so young. But these people really aren't much older than they are. And don't get me wrong. I know there's a big difference between your early 20s and your late 20s. I understand. Like mentally...

You go through so much. But it's also just like how the relationships are dealt with and talking through it. And while I feel like the first season, while I remember loving it, I do feel like it was more of the gimmick. And actually, weirdly enough, usually when you watch reality shows in the second season, everyone saw the first season so they know all the tricks. They come in with like strategies. Right. this, it's like they chose people that were actually there to genuinely work on their relationships. Because I remember the first, and I'm not, you know, when I was saying before, it's like, I'm not trying to like put, you know, all queer people up on a pedestal, like, or whatever.

But like, I remember the first season, what was fun about that was that they were all, it was a queer reality show where everyone was acting like the stupid idiots on regular straight reality shows. Right. Right. Which. And I love the inclusion on that. Yeah. Yeah. I love that. queer people can be really annoying too. Oh, there's, there's some toxic fucking bitches on their show. Like, don't get me wrong. But watching the openness for connection being so different. And I know they're both still reality shows. Like, you can, you could probably, I'm sure lots of people are listening to me right now, rolling their eyes into next week.

And I understand. But, man, when you, you know, take. a muscle relaxant and you are watching these and I was just like I'm in ultigatum like I am me and we are we and I want to be in it with them and I'm and also in a way where I am not attracted to anyone on Love Island not really like I mean except for O'Landria but that's like that's like you know she's above and beyond but I'm attracted to every single one of the people on altercated. I think that, I mean, certainly the age difference, the age of two, early 20s and late 20s is

massive. Massive. Yes. But then also, I think that maybe what might be going on, I mean, obviously, like, show like Love Island, you know, draws from a certain type. I know, I shouldn't compare the two. It's a certain realm of heterosexuality that it's not, you know, certainly not representative of all heterosexuality. I'm sorry for you, MJ, that that that, you know, I guess you get validation in other places. But man, Love Island is quite a display of heterosexuality. Yeah, yeah. I mean, that's, I hopefully have.

You know, Sierra that got kicked off, at least she is by. And so she was getting some other fun kisses too. But even then, she was the only one. So it's not like, so for the other people, it's like, oh my God, we're kissing a by girl. So it's also there's that where you're like, all right. And I think that even, I think if you're going to be on queer ultimate up, I think, I mean, I don't know.

I feel like just the process of coming out even just inherently means you have done more than 10 seconds of self-reflection. And I think maybe it's only 10 seconds, right? Again, I'm not saying that everybody who is out is deep and thoughtful. But I think that the people on Love Island have not yet spent the 10 seconds to do the self-reflection. They haven't had to go through the difficulty of having to declare who. you are to be like that that is a different you know that there's rewards they fit such a such a they fit the the ideal of a certain type of heterosexuality that gets cast on shows like that that there is you know just like fame is I think we have come to learn over the years here at page

seven talking about all these famous people and especially reading all their memoirs fame is a curse and I think in some ways conventional attractiveness is a bit of a curse because it's It's like you're put in this box and then how can you grow if you're in a box, right? And you are perceived in a certain way and it informs how people treat you. And I mean, we had a friend in college who was a stunningly beautiful man. And even he was like, it's actually really hard because like no one knows how to talk to me. Nobody like nobody wants to know what I'm thinking, you know, like Charlize. Like what Charlize was saying about dating and how she's too intimidating to people.

And she's like, I just want to go on dates. I know I'm really hot, but also like, I just want to go on dates. Yeah. So I think that there is a way, you know, I think that the people on the love island just haven't blossomed. I know. I'm not saying that either. Of course. But, but, you know, it's all part of it's the, yeah.

I mean, the way that, the way that like the framework of feminism is like it hurts, patriarchy hurts all genders. Yes. Not only women. It hurts boys too. I think that people are going to be rolling their eyes at me now, but I think a hetero, you know, heterosexual norms, like heteronormative, heteropatriarchal norms, hurt hot people too. Yes, they hurt people who don't fit those norms, but they also hurt the people who do fit the

norms. That's a prison that we must break out of. You're right. I also need you to know, sidebar, sidebar conversation, which usually I don't have sidebars outside of Jackie's book club, but what you're saying adjacent to what you're saying. I was just learning about the different rules for female characters in the original D&D games and how. And how female characters specifically had certain things against them. And just if you want, like, whether not if you are a woman playing the game, like if you have a female character. And one of the things that they establish early on,

like in the beginning of the game, it's not this way anymore, is that if you're a female character that you don't have charisma points the way of, like usually you have charisma, you have beauty instead. Wow. Because a woman can't have both. and that that would mean she's too powerful. Or you'd have to include the beauty because, and it's like, why did they have, wait, and I know that this is like, oh, well, it was the 70s, but it's like, the 70s of the 80s,

you were saying that a woman couldn't have, like, I know it's just a game, but that's nuts to me. Because, like, I was talking to my mom about D&D, and she's like, oh, I thought that was a game that, like, She's like, my mom's first husband used to play D&D back in the day. And she's like, oh, I thought it was something that like women weren't really encouraged to play. And I was like, well, honestly, back then, they weren't. Wow. They were actively discouraged. You were like, I mean, kind of discouraged from being a woman in the game.

Which is funny because that's actually like just having a game where the rules are different for girls is actually a pretty instructive way to teach what like, you know, what patriarchy is to the boys play. Right. But I don't know if that's why they did that. I don't think that's what they were taken from that situation. What if this person starts with an automatic disadvantage? Like, isn't that representative of something that happens in a broader sense? But then to them, they're like, but it is an advantage that we don't have.

And it's like, well, I mean, beauty. Also, boys can be beautiful too. Surprise. And I'm sorry, but I think that charisma and beauty are inextricably linked. You can't really be one without the other. But, you know, Baxter, 10-ton Baxter braggles big. you're going to come over and tell this big, thick hymbo that he's not beautiful? I don't fucking think so.

I don't fucking think so. I'm an Eldridge fucking night, bro. And I'm hot as shit, bro. I'm not talking about D&D right now. It's because we got to play later, so I just woke up thinking about it. You know, sometimes you wake up in a D&D place. But sometimes you wake up in a Mariah place. Yeah, speaking of beauty and charisma.

Beauty and charisma in spades. It is Mariah Carey's three-word take on. Jeff Bezos's $50 million wedding because she was asked what she thought of Jeff Bezos's wedding while she was like going to get into a car. And she laughed and went, I wasn't there. But honestly, if you look at this. Voice of a generation. She, like the way she said I wasn't there. And then she was asked, like, was she invited to the wedding?

And then she laughs and goes, oh. don't turn this into that. And that's all she needed and the internet went wild. I really feel like, listen, I invited a lot of people to my wedding and I still missed, like, somehow managed to miss, like, there's still people. I'm like, I wish I had invited you, you know, but I would have been surprised if Mariah Carey was on the guest list for the Bezos wedding. Why? I don't know what.

I don't know why. You don't think people are banging down Mariah Carey's door to get her to be strapped to some sort of U-Haul push cart and brought to a party? Yeah, I, you know, now she gets to accidentally be in the right by not going. Yes. You know, I don't even need to know. I can tell myself she was invited and she didn't go. Or just anybody who didn't go, anybody who didn't get invited, you know, I am so, honestly, automatically 10 points more in favor of them.

I just kind of wish, like, there was a little bit more of the, like, I don't even know who that is. Because it would be funny if Mariah Carey tried to pretend, like, never heard of Jeff Bezos before. Yeah. Or would that, like, write him off because he didn't invite her to the wedding. I don't use Amazon. Yeah. I hope she doesn't. It's possible she doesn't, you know.

Like, if you're that rich, you don't need to be like, I need diapers overnight, you know? Her assistance might. But like that's, I mean, understand. Because word on the street is they got to deal with quite a bit over there. So, you know, if they've got Amazon something, Amazon something. But we try not to. We try not to. Yes.

Well, so we talked about last week in the Bezos wedding how Charlize Theron was like, fuck those guys. And I didn't, which is awesome. And somebody suggested that she was just sour grapes because she didn't get invited and that if she had gotten invited, she would have gone. And to which I present the counterpoint that I actually didn't know last week, but I have now, unfortunately, been exposed to hateful memes about it because of the way algorithms work, that Charlize Theron has a trans daughter who came out as a real young kid, but when she was three and was like, you know, this is not who I am.

I'm a girl. And Charlize Theron was like, okay, I'm going to listen to you and I'm going to believe you. And so she's like very supportive and affirming of her child. that is probably one reason why she would not have gone to the Bezos wedding even if she were invited. And she's too busy banging 26 year olds, MJ. And she's been, that's the thing. I'm already happy for her that she had like a fun bang with a 26 year old. And now I'm happy for her that she's like a supportive parent of her trans child. I was trying to, and I am too.

I was trying to think that like, because like I was thinking yesterday or of last week when we were talking about her bangings 26 year old and a lot of people in line being like, oh, you wouldn't be. Yeah, so happy if a man was saying he banged a 26-year-old. But I was thinking that if it was a man that had openly talked about how difficult of a time he had had with dating and how, and like being very open about the difficulties of dating that I feel like I would be supportive. I think it's totally, I think there is something about Leo with the 25 and under. And actually, somebody on Patreon Twitter on this out is a very insightful point that her having a fun time with a 26-year-old once is not a part, people aren't critical of it because it's not a part of a pattern of predatory behavior like Leo being incapable of dating anyone older than 25 despite being in his 40s.

And so I feel like that's a big difference. And yeah, I mean, I was thinking about this during our conversation last week too, because I was 26 when I met Gideon and he was a little older. And I mean, maybe people were all in their eyes about that. But I had also, as a 26 year old, dated other older guys and where it was weird. You know, And there was just something, I feel like there's, I can't explain that, but there, sometimes it's weird depending on the guy and depending on the relationship. Yes. And sometimes it's not.

Yes. And I can't quantify that. You're right. But it just wasn't weird because Gideon and I were meant for each other. And we had a, immediately had a mutual admiration and respect for each other. And it wasn't, it wasn't, it wasn't, you know. And other people it was. And, you know.

Well, it's also even in the way in which, like, in the way in which you guys talked about your relationship. Like, it would be one thing if Gideon came over was like, yeah, bang this little slice. Yeah, I had this little time. You know, it's like, it's all like how you're taught. Like, if I met Gideon and that's how he was talking about you, I'd be like, I think that there's a problem, MJ, and I don't think you should continue with this. But I even, like, I, like, you're right, because even how Charlize was talking about it,

it wasn't even in a yucky way. I keep saying she banged a 26. She didn't say it like that. Like I'm the yucky one saying it in such a, you know, a crass manner, but I just speak more crassly than other people do and I forget. No, she was like, I did this like kind of, I dated somebody who's kind of an age demographic. I don't usually date and I had a really good time. And it's like, great.

And I had a good time. And I had a good time. I said, good for you, babe. Yeah. Man, I'm throwing out a couple gofews because I did want to bring up. I know that you also didn't watch this, but I do want to bring up because chat was wonderful in recommending this movie to me. And then Natalie saw it and she's been screaming about it ever since she saw it that I needed

to see it, needed to see it. And I finally saw Ugly Stepsister. Now, Ugly Stepsister, MJ, is a movie that is out on Shudder. Oh, it's also an AMC Plus, AMC Plus and Shudder, like the same thing. And it is a take on, it is a, it's a dark comedy, body horror take on the story of Cinderella, but from the viewpoint of the ugly step sister. Ooh, that's fun. How desperate she was to become beautiful back then. Wow.

And like what you would have to go through back then. then to become beautiful? This is, and the ways in which... We're watching sinners right now, and of course it's extremely sexy, but all I think about whatever I watch, sexy things from back in time

is how stinky everybody must have been. Oh, yeah. That's all I can think about. And I know that we've also talked about this before, but I guess, like, if everybody's stinky, it doesn't matter. Like, it gets to a point

where it all just smells so bad all the time that you don't even know. notice anymore? I think it's just what I was thinking last night, it was like, I was like, it's just a testament to human horniness because, you know, there's really no amount that Michael B. Jordan could stink and you wouldn't still want to. Oh, especially if there were two of him. Can we please? Oh my God. Yeah. Cinners is awesome. Which one do you want more? I think that was the question. I forget. It was Eddie that asked me which one did I want to bang more? I'm like, but, like, I don't even

know how to say both fast enough. Yeah. Yeah. No, Sinners is awesome. I sadly keep falling asleep so we have we're we're working our way through it in chunks but it is awesome um but sorry not to derail from your no no that that is a great i mean because sinners also just dropped i believe on mocks yeah it just became available for streaming yes so people can watch it there because it also is another yucky movie that is a lot of fun and again two not one but two michael b jordan's and And it's a great, you know, I'm not in, I am not, I don't live, breathe, and sleep vampires the way Jackie does. Thank you for recognizing me. But I do, I have learned over the last few years to really enjoy the vampire world.

I did AMC's interview with the vampire, thanks to Jackie. Bro. And of course, we're in Buffy. And I, we, Gideon and I did a couple of other good, like, classic vampire movies. And really, you know, I'm enjoying them. But obviously, Sinners is such an incredible way. way to tell a vampire story. It's really, really, man. Ryan Guler knows how to make a movie. I know the music. So, the music is so good. I know. I know. John saw, my brother saw it in the

theaters when it came out and then just went on like a month long Delta Blues hyper focus of like of just trying to immerse himself completely in Delta Blues. It's so fun. It's so good. So fun. I'm so glad that you're liking it. I am loving it. And also, Also, can I talk about have you watched? We could talk more about Ugly Stepsister if you want to talk more body horror, but I watched, and I know we're a little bit late to this. Forgive me, it's a couple of weeks behind, but Gidea and I finally got around to watching the peewee documentary on Max.

Oof. Have you watched it, Jackie? Oh, yeah. How much did you cry? I was not even a peewee fan as a kid. I didn't get it. I like, and, you know, yeah, Gidea was like a little too old for it. I was, I think the right age for it, but both of us were like, at the time, we were just like,

I don't really get this. This is just like a little bit not, I don't know. I, I remember watching Pee We as a kid, but I just didn't, it wasn't exactly like my thing. And then I remember hearing, it's kind, it was reminding me how reading Carrie Fisher's book. And I was thinking about all the things I had heard about Carrie Fisher throughout my life. And I was so upset that all I had heard about her was that she was like this drunk and this like, you know, has been and whatever. And it was so, all these cruel narratives that were just kind of mainstream about her. And so raw. So raw.

Wow. Horrible. And I just, I watched the TV documentary. Also, thank you, by the way, our Patreon for encouraging us to read wishful drinking because that really did, like it broke both MJ and I's brains to the point that like we both want to read everything Gary Fisher has ever written.

So I just want to say thank you. It like, yeah, like I feel like it did really, it really did something for both of our mindsets. It was beautiful. But honestly, same for Pee We Herman. It's Paul Rubin's in his own words. And I am just, I feel, I feel enraged in what happened to him. I feel enraged at how the only things I ever heard about him. I'm realizing now in 2025 at my age of 39,

I'm realizing everything I ever knew about this guy was filtered through this lens of homophobic, of character assassination for decades. It is. Filtered through lens of boomers. I really, like, of like, of people that were scared of homosexuality. Yes. It is such an upsetting. And honestly, same MJ, because all I could remember from growing up is that we would

try to watch Pee Weherman whenever we could. But my mom, specifically, even though we had almost no jurisdiction and what we, like, almost no censorship. But she wouldn't let us watch Pee We Herman because she said he was a person. pervert. And she's like, he's a pervert. I don't want him on my screen. And so sad. I've now talked to my mom about this. And she is beside herself that she's like, I thought he was a child better. I thought because she only watched the news. I think that there's probably, you know, tape of me saying on page seven, oh yeah, Paul Rubens, wasn't he a creep? Like, I just, I never questioned it.

I just, that was what I saw. And I never questioned it. And he saw his mother. And he saw his mother. And again, I had no idea that it was all homophobia. Every, everything, everything that happened to him, like, was homophobia. And I really had no idea. And also because he wanted privacy, also because he was closeted. And, like, there was something about him that, like, people knew there was more. And I feel like, and maybe this is going too far. But I feel like this was like a big turning point.

in when people, because when did this exactly happen? Do you remember what years that, like, this was exactly going down? I would say, I don't know. The first controversy, I think, was the late 80s and then early 90s, because the Pee-Wee itself was in the started in the early 80s. And I am, I don't want to look up, put in child porn, pee-wee-R-and-s, don't look that up. Right, because that's, I feel like that's going to.

Yes, because the first incident was him going to the, to the adult theater. And that was after Big Top Pee Wee had kind of been a dud. And then he was able to recover that shot, that footage of him coming out at the VMAs after he had been basically blacklisted just for going to a dirty theater. And then he comes out of the VMAs and every, all the young people remember him and they love him. And everyone in the VMAs is screaming for him and like cheering and welcoming him.

And it's, you feel so relieved. You're like, oh my God, he got. He was able to recover. He knew how much people loved him. And then the attacks came again on his like art, artist, artistic, you know, his art collection. He had, you know, various, he had a massive thousands and thousands and thousands of like retro, you know, images, some of which were homoerotic. And then that was the child. And also vintage.

It was vintage. So also there were different laws of what could be taken pictures of. but he had a huge collection of it. Yes, and none of it was kids. It was a complete smear job. So this was 10 years in between, by the way. So it was 1991 was the jerk off theater. And then it was 2001 with the other charges.

And so in that time period, he tried to desperately to rebuild everything. And then he lost it all again. Fucking devastating. And here's the thing. And I think people get so. misconstrued because so we did a pop history on Pee-Herman and Natalie opened up in fact we're going to have Natalie on next week and I imagine we'll talk a little bit about it because Natalie was a huge Pewy-Herman fan. I remember that. Yeah. And still is and has been a like a champion of him for forever. So

she's really where I learned most of the story from. And so I think that's why I wasn't quite as I didn't cry through the documentary just because I had heard, but like, it's difficult because I think people really misconstrue the fact that, like, he was difficult to work with. Right. And was a control freak. Yeah, and he had conflict with a lot of people he worked with, including Phil Hartman, which is sad. He wasn't easy to work with.

Yeah. He wanted complete control of his character. He saw it as all his. Right. Even though this was such a collaborative effort. Totally. And that is so, And honestly, listening to him talk about, like, it kind of just made me hurt for everyone that made Peewee's playouts a success because he never even, all he thought about was that he was not getting enough acknowledgement. Yeah. He was not getting enough. And it's like, you can't, and this is what you learn with Pee B.

B. Herman, you can't maintain your privacy and also be famous. You just can't. And I think that that's what I was trying to say earlier, that that was a big turning point, I feel like, for like, this is a defining moment of when you can't, like, you know, we're not having lavender marriages anymore, even though I know that we still are,

but I mean, like, back that, like, even everything that he went through and, like, with, like, having a partner. And then, yeah, he had been out. And then he went back in the closet to try to be, because he knew that if he was out, he could never be. successful in the same way.

It's devastating. I had no idea that he had been like out and happy and living with a partner and then he kind of gave that up for the business, you know? And it hurts me because now he would be a queer fucking icon. If he was like if he was doing Pee Weirman while also being out and then also if like he had had all that vintage erotica, it would be like, oh cool. We could see it totally different now. We could see it totally different now.

That's so fucking cool. I know. I know. It's such, it's such a, it's just a horrific tragedy like that at all, all because, you know, it was this way of being like, you're a pervert, you're a pervert just because you're gay. I mean, it really is. And then, yeah, you're right. That conflated with him being like, you know, kind of a high profile, you know, weird, weird guy, weird creative guy who was hard to work with, right?

Right. And so then it was just even easier to push him aside. And that, like, then it was more of like, well, that's what he gets. And why? I know. I mean, there are a lot of people out there that are difficult to work with that are very successful. Like, you can't just hold that against him. And I mean, right, his, his difficultness to work with, I mean, it plays out in the documentary. You see the documentary almost didn't even get made because he was so controlling. He was so controlling. He wanted to control everything about the documentary. But he's also, he's just tremendously appealing to watch. Like I, you know, getting out, we're just like, we cannot stop watching him. Like, he's also. hearing him speak and hearing him talk about his life, it is beautiful. It is beauty and charisma. Yes.

He contains multitudes. He contains beauty and charisma. That is true, man. And it really is so devastating. But also so funny, because I didn't realize that when they had him in Buffy the Vampire Slayer, that I didn't realize that specifically they wanted him to look like his mugshot in the movie. And I thought that was very funny. Yes.

Yeah. Because also mystery men, like we have a huge full, like all full cast signed poster of mystery men in my living room. It is my husband's one of his favorite movies. And that was part of such a huge comeback that he could have had. I know. I know. God. And then his assistant, his like best friend from forever.

And that they took all the pictures of him and her daughter. Yeah. I know. And like even, and they went to her daughter's school? To be like, is he an abuser? I know, it's monstrous. I'm like, I'm like, it's 2025. I was never a peewee fan.

And I'm filled with rage about what happened. Filled with rage. Filled with rage. Okay, now question. We last week had been wanting to talk about, and I, to me, they're a little bit connected about Nathan Fielders, the rehearsal, but season two. But also there is more pop culture stories we could talk about. or we could talk more TV.

What's, choose your own adventure. I mean, I feel like the Nathan Fielder show really, you know, for those of you, I want to hear what you have to say about it just because I did specifically

want you to watch it. Yeah. Watch the whole thing. I watched the whole thing. We finished it. So now, it's all right. It has been enough time.

What did you think about that last fucking episode, dude? I mean, I, I, I just, yeah, I was,

floored. I was completely like the part where the part where the actor, one of the actors who's being asked to ride in the plane says, has anyone said no? And Nathan Fielder says no everyone has said yes and the guy just goes, actors, man. Like that...

Right. Like that, I was just like, I'm watching this and I'm just thinking like, how are all these actors saying yes to this? How is this even happening? Like, are there Is there some workplace responsibility to make this not happen? How did HBO pay for this?

My mind is racing. I know they have male billy as billy. I know that. But like, I'm saying, how did Nathan Fielder go in pitch this idea? And they say, yes, we will give you lots and lots of money to do this. I mean, talk about a long game. The fact that he spent two years becoming a pilot. He became a pilot.

Like, for a joke. Okay, MJ, Jeff and I, since the beginning of our relationship, one of our bits is how big of a bit can we get away with? And we were always saying that we were going to get married in a bit way. And we're like, how much money. It was like, all we want is to get to a place in life and in our careers where we can spend more money on huge bits like this. because this, like the kind of thing where you're secretly working on something for a really long time and then all of a sudden you jump out and you're able to do it and you surprise everybody, this is the ultimate get of that.

And it's to an extent that like I could never top it. Totally. Yeah, I mean, it's fascinating. I think maybe just because we literally went from Nathan Fielder to Pee We Herman to, I was just thinking about, I mean, there are different types of experimental comedy, right? But what Paul Rubbins was trying to do with Peewee was like, like, well, what if I just am this character? What if there is no Paul Rubens? What if I'll become Peewee?

And I feel like Nathan Fielder is an interesting, you know, person to think about when you're thinking about that because it's like, who, who are you? You know, like, is this a character? Is this you? People that have written in have said, this is him. That's him, yeah. Oh, this is him. And like there was a tweet that went viral this week.

Yes, I'm still on X. I'm sorry. I should get off. of it, but I am. But there was a tweet that went viral this week that was like, why don't, the tweet was, why don't autistic people make it so that their special interest is learning how people interact socially? And then somebody retweeted it with a screenshot of Nathan Fielder doing the rehearsal, you know, and it's like the whole, you know, the way that he brings in, you know, autism and the way that he kind of, that he realizes he's become this hero to autistic people

without, without identifying as autistic person and like the person who he's speaking with who, from the, like, the organization. Going through the autism checklist. Yeah, from the organization that, like, helps autistic people and is going through the checklist with him. And the way that he dealt with that was so interesting. So, but it's also so funny. Because honestly, I was just like, oh, my God, what is this about to be?

I know. What is this about to be? And then he took it in such a way that I wasn't expecting that I did laugh. I was like, I nervously laughed about it. Yes, I also was very nervous during that time. And I was like, is this going to end up being like, is the joke going to be on, like, you know, autism? Or is the joke going to be on autistic people? And it didn't feel like it's, I was, I'm curious, you know, of course, autistic listeners

sound off about what you felt about that. that part of season two. Please. Because, yeah, I feel, I was like, I think he's doing this. I don't know. I feel like he's handling this in a pretty interesting way where he's like, everyone seems to think I'm autistic. What does that mean for me?

And how am I going to use that with the show? As part of this. Yeah. But yeah, and then, I mean, yeah, the final episode, I'm, I'm incomplete with the evanescence. The effenessence. I've never seen anything, anything like it. That's why that TikTok that I said that with the Evanescence playing and it said the world is healing with just like zooming in on the pilots laughing at an airport. I laughed and I like to a point like I think about the second season of the rehearsal more than I think people should.

Like I saw that what like Bug Girl 2000, which is someone that makes very funny kind of horny shirts loves Nathan Fielder and they usually make like pro like I want. to fuck Nathan Fielder's shirts essentially. But they made like a bunch of like, I can't buy merch for the rehearsal. Like I, no, like it is a second season. Nobody cares, Jackie. But I, he learned how to fly commercial jets. He didn't just get his pilot license.

He learned how to fly commercial jet. And he now flies 737. I'm sorry for ruining the end of it, but it came out a while ago. It did. Yeah. I think, yeah. It's, it is.

It's, it's, and even, honestly, even if you haven't watched it and you hear it we're talking about, it's not ruined at all. Go watch. It's not. Go watch it. Because I was seeing, you know. It's not about that. It's not about that. That was, and that was what was interesting for me watching it after it had come out. Because I was see, I knew it was about airplanes. I knew it was Nathan Fieldery. And I knew that he had learned how to fly. And I kept seeing images and everything, like, images of him in the cockpit of the 737. So I knew that it was about that. But I was like, what is, what's, what, what could this be? And there's really. And there's, In terms of like slowly layering what the show and what the tension is and what the, like, there is no way that you could possibly spoil this show because there's no way to describe all the things that are going on in it. It is absolutely indescribable. And I don't, you know, you and I share this. We don't always watch comedy and enjoy it.

And I was like, that was one of the reasons I didn't seek it out. I was like, I'm not really, like, I don't know what this is going to be. But I'm not, it's not really drawing me in. And then you watch it and you realize, oh, this. This isn't really, it is comedy, but also like what, what, it's performance art. Yes. Yes. Like, and that, that's why it also reminded me of what Paul Rubens was trying to do. He was like, I am trying to bring in like weird clowning and experimental theater and performance art and all this stuff that I was seeing as like a young artist into the mainstream, you know. And he was successful. And he was able to like, and like just to think of how much success he had in such a short amount of time. I know. And what he. could have been. And that homophobia is what destroyed his whole life. His entire life, right, not just his career, but his entire life.

And my God, that audio from the day before he died. I know. Jesus Christ. I know. I'm glad that I waited to watch the, oh, I didn't say this. We watched the first half of it and then up until, like, the issues he was having with his parents. And then that's when I stopped watching it when it first came out.

And then last night, we watched the rest of it so that we could talk about it today. Oh, really? But I was like, I didn't know if I was in the brain space to be able to handle it. Yeah. But it honestly just made me more angry than it did make me sad. Bewee? Yeah. Yeah.

Oh, yeah. It made me furious. But not to go just jump back to Nathan Fielder real fast. I just wanted to read this headline to you that did come out from, it was like three years ago. but it says Joe Jonas says he bought Nathan Fielder a drink and was sent a bowl of mayonnaise in return. And I just wanted to share that I'm reading this at Joe Joe Jonas like pulled over weirdly enough at Donnas, which is an L.A. Italian restaurant. Uh-oh. We're being followed by Donna today.

Everyone, if you have a Donna in your life, raise them up, lift them up, give them the Josh Grobin experience. because Donnas are very powerful right now. But Nathan Fielder was at Donas. And so was Joe Jonas. So Joe Jonas pulled over the attendant and was like, I'd love to get a drink for Nathan Fielder. And the person was like, oh, you have good taste. So it was a fan of both people, which Joe Jonas was very happy about.

And then he received a bowl of mangan. Wow. Well, okay, here's a bit of pop culture news that is also TV that people have been wanting us to talk about for the since it came out, which was maybe two weeks ago, which is that Jennifer Aniston collab with Jeanette McCurdy for making a TV show of Jeanette McCurdy's book memoir, How My Mom Die, or I'm glad my mom died. I'm glad my mom died, which we read four celebrities. I have read it twice now. And so a lot of people sending us this article that Jennifer Aniston is going to be playing the mom. And, and,

At first, the second I heard about this, I was like, disgusting. What the fuck are they doing? You think she was going to be Jeanette? And then I found out, no, I just thought that they were making this. And I don't know why in my head I was like, Jeanette McCurdy better be fucking not only wholeheartedly a part of it. Like, is she, I. Because I didn't know in what capacity Jennifer ends. Like, I didn't know what, like, what age we're going from.

What are we going back and forth? Right. And so, but finding out that Jeanette McCurdy. is the producer of the movie made me feel. I was like, okay, all right, well, okay. So she's going to have control of the narrative that she wants to tell. And okay, good for her.

I know. I also felt like, yeah, I also had a complicated emotional reaction to this because on the one hand, you know, I feel like Jennifer Aniston is, I don't watch the morning show, but I feel like she's like making good work and is like a good, cool.

And everybody loves the morning show. Everybody loves the morning show. And so, yeah, she's also, I think, a producer. And Jeanette McCurdy is indeed a producer on the show. But, yeah, also part of me is just like, I want Jeanette McCurdy to be free from this industry forever. I mean, that's kind of the way the book, you know, the ultimate conclusion of the book is that she really can't be an actor and be healthy.

And doesn't want to be. And doesn't want to be. And can really only achieve happiness when she's free of this industry. So getting back into it is, Yeah, to me, I had like a weird, yeah, like kind of nervous reaction about it. But at the same time, it is an incredible story. I don't know. Yeah, I'm, I got, I think I'm cautiously optimistic is what I would say about the potential for this as a show.

Yes. And also, Jeanette McCurdy is serving as co-showrunner. So she's not just a producer. She's also a co-show runner. Interesting. So that means she genuinely has control. Has control. And she is, as we know, she's an incredible writer.

Yes. And good for. her. I mean, I'm going to watch it. Oh, yeah. I hope that they, I hope that she is happy with the product. I hope that she feels that this is a healing experience. I hope that it's only positive for her. Yes. Because I'm only sending positive vibes her way. Exactly. I want nothing bad to ever happen to Jeanette McCurdy ever again. Yes. But also though, gaining, you know, losing a bad mom, but gaining Jennifer Anderson as a mom, like, I feel like that's moving on up because like Jennifer and like man it is really nuts how much of a bad break

Jennifer Anderson still fucking gets she just throw this out there like we're talking about people who've had a bad fucking rap just because Brad Pitt broke up with her in the mid 90s she has to be cast as like a spinster loser for the rest of her life which is so insane yes to anyone like I Like she was also married, like she was married to Justin Thoreau, and how about how many years we've heard. But no baby, so she's a failure. No baby. She's a failure. I know.

She wanted a baby. No baby. She's a failure. You're right. And that has been the narrative. And not having a baby. It's been those two things. And even like she is currently, she started dating someone else.

And there's so many headlines that are like, like, oh, looks like Justin Thoreau much. Leave Jen alone. It's her alone, bro. She is carved out of stone. What are we talking about here? Why do we give this woman fucking shit? She's 56 years old. Have you seen her recently?

And I understand. You know, making effortless 20 mil every year just off of friends reruns alone, you can put a lot of time into looking really good. But like, we don't need to rip her apart anymore. For not having children, for not being married. Why? Why? Also, residuals are good.

Like, reading the situation book and the fact that he can like basically live off residuals, good. He worked really hard. Jennifer has to should live off residuals. Her entire life was changed forever by her work on friends. She should be able to live comfortably after that. I have no. Residuals don't exist for actors anymore and it means it's impossible to be a fucking actor. They don't.

In case you were wondering. All you do is get a day. That's all you get anymore. You don't get anything else unless you're like a Marvel or unless you're a Disney or something like that. And I know that those two are the same. And it's ridiculous because what the streaming services have done is take so – and that's why such a huge part of why it's even harder to act or try to act now. I'm getting to a point that I'm like, why am I trying?

Yeah. What are we doing here? Yeah. No, I – you're so right. Jennifer Aniston is somebody who we haven't really revisited. her, the horrific media treatment of her and how it has impacted her kind of her legacy, the way that we revisited with Brittany's book and the way that Paul Rubin's like, you revisit it and you're just, again, you're just filled with rage for how this man was treated.

And with Jen and it's different, right? It's that she was dumped by Brad and so she was single and she was lonely. And then, yeah, even after getting married, then it was, well, she doesn't have kids. Monstrous. What the, what is wrong with? I mean, And yeah, like all of, we know what happened to Matthew Perry. Again, this is another example of like, yeah, Friends was a success, but it was really hard for all of those guys to recover and to keep going, you know. That is it because I was just like, I feel like Courtney Cox never really got quite the same.

It's because she had a kid. Yeah. And I think that's literally what the difference is. And she had like a high profile, is that she at least. A quote unquote, successful marriage. Successful, quote unquote, yes, on the outside. David Arquette, who is also. happen to be really good friends with Paul Rubens.

Which makes sense because of all the, you know, Bobo the Clown stuff. Because I told you that we took pictures with David Arquette at the Paul Baker. Oh, God, Baker. Bill Baker, Baker. It was a con. Yes. Bob Baker. Bob Baker.

The Bob Baker Marionette Theater is big here. And so Bob Baker has like their own festival. And David Arquette bought the. right to Bobo the Clown so that he can dress up and he performs as Bobo the Clown. So he was just there hanging out because he's into that. He's into the world of us, of the fun freaks. I wonder why Lisa Kudrow, I mean, I think she probably would, my guess is that she would say it was also very hard to recover from being Phoebe. But she also didn't get treated quite as badly as Jennifer Aniston, but maybe because she wasn't the sex object of the show.

Wasn't the subject object also had a kid? Had a kid. Has been married. It has been. You know, it's like. Right, right. But you're right. She wasn't the sex, quote unquote, sex object of the show.

I think that was why it was worse for Jennifer Aniston. There was the tweet that I mentioned before that said, why don't autistic people make learning social interactions or special interests? Somebody, an autistic person quote tweeted that and responded that when they were in middle school, they were autistic and they were having a hard time making friends and they wanted to make friends. And so they knew that friends, the show, was really popular. And so they did a survey of their class to ask everyone who their favorite character was in friends. And it was Phoebe. And so then she started studying Phoebe and recreating her like patterns of speech and stuff.

Whoa. And then showed up the next year at school like as like trying to live as Phoebe. Is it that I mean, I get, you know, there are worse people to, you know, base your life off of. She was my favorite character. I loved, Phoebe. The amount of friends we consumed, really. I haven't seen an episode in a very long time, but like. I have never revisited it. I watch it every Thursday, and I have, unlike many, I feel like a lot of people that was

their college binge watching show or whatever or even after college, but I have never, ever revisited it. And it's still in syndication. I don't think we should. I've heard. You don't think we should. I don't know if we should. I've heard it's very, it's a lot more 90s than you remember.

I think I would rather, I think if I was going to go rewatch a sitcom like a classic sitcom now, King of Queens. Is that the one you were going to say was the King of Queens? Because I agree. No, I, Gideon and I, I'm trying to get Gideon and I to get like a fun summer show. I mean, we're so behind on things that we're just always trying to watch whatever people are watching. But, you know, back in the day, revenge was our summer show.

Oh, yes. We need a fun summer show. And I kind of want to make it cheers, because I've never seen it. Bro, cheers is a great one. I did that over a sad summer. I watched all of cheers over a sad summer. And I tell you what, it makes you feel like you have friends. It makes you feel like you're sitting at the bar. I love them. Why do you think anytime I see a cheer story. And usually we don't get to any cheers stories, but if I ever see a cheers story, I include it in our dossier. We have one this week. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, we do. Yes, we have one this. Oh, yeah, the one about Ted Danz. It means nothing to me because I haven't seen cheers. It's him

talking about on a podcast how he didn't like Shelley Long at first. And then he learned to love her. And I was like, I'm glad Jackie included this story, but it means nothing to me. It means nothing to you. So I think it's time. I think it's time we start. shouting MJ every time you walk into a room and you can be the norm of page 7. Is it crazy that I think Ted Danson is hotter as an old man than he is as a young man? No, but watch Cheers. And I think that that might change. It might change my mind.

Oh, baby. I mean, that is what really, I always, I love Ted Danson very much, but Sam Malone is really where my heart lies. Yeah, okay. Oh, talk about charming. He's an ex-baseball player. Uh-huh. He's got to, you know, it's not even that he needs to find love, MJ, because he doesn't need it.

Or does he? Or does he? It's not just a show about a bar, okay? I don't. It's a show about community. I know. I love community. I'm always talking about community.

I got to watch Cheers. Also, speaking of community. you should also probably check out because it's also a great show. Oh, I love, I watch Community at the time. Oh, okay, all right, all right. You've swallowed, as long as you've swallowed community. All of it.

I love Community. I adored community. Cheers is 11 seasons. Yeah, that's the, that's a lot. It is a long time. My kids will be in college by the time I finish it. But you can sprinkle him, but that's the best part. The episode is so short.

That's the thing. I would just have it on in the background of my life. That was back when like before the days of my love island, experiences, you know, before of having to watch, having to watch many hours. Oh, my God, it ends. It's ending this week. Like, I don't know what I'm going to do with myself, MJ. I know. And I know we're running out of time here, but is there, do you want to talk any more about Sierra leaving the village or anything? Or is that, I know that was a big deal. I feel like you're saying this, like, you don't care about Sierra because you fucking don't. And I really. And I didn't either. You know what,

to be fair, I fucking didn't either. And now she's, it is a, the word on the TikTok is that there was gold with last season's Love Island USA, which I did watch a good chunk of. And now they have their own spinoff show and that this shit the bed, but I tell you, watching the shitting the bed happen is very entertained. Isn't the whole point of a show like this that the bed gets shit in? I feel like that's, that's the point. But last, apparently like everyone's like, last year,

the sisterhood was real. This year. And it's like, well, I mean, it's still Love Island. And it was, you know, at the end of the day, guys, it's going to be fine. But, yeah, Sarah posted a racist post in her past. And it has been uncovered. And she was not immediately kicked off the show. Essentially, the internet couldn't fucking.

which I understand. They wanted her gone. And so they came in and they told everyone in the villa, she has a personal issue. She's going to leave immediately. And that was it. And so they don't know more information, the people in the villa.

And it really is such a social experiment, this show. Yeah. thinking of like, I kind of disgustingly wish we could watch the psychiatric hold afterwards as they came back into the real life when they get their phone back. Googleing, what are the ethics of videotaping a 48-hour psychiatric hold? I just want to see. I know I'm sick. I know I'm sick.

Would the mental health professionals stop us from doing that? Like, is that like not good for us to watch? Find the therapist who let you film the therapy. Find Hilaria Baldwin's therapist and be like, can you facilitate the 48-hour cycle and let us videotape it? Yes, exactly. Because like now it's just, you know, Nick Landria is a little forced,

but honestly, I love Olandria so much. I don't really care. So I just, you know, honestly, it's probably for the best for me that the show is about to end. And I think what I learned... What are you going to... You got a lot of weeks of summer left, Jack? I don't know how I'm going to continue to be sad and in the dark.

I'm going to... Do I start watching Cheers again? I'm like, well, if MJ is going to watch it, I'll watch all of Cheers. I need to find a purpose. It sounds like you've got queer ultimatum, but they don't produce the amount of hours. I'm almost done. MJ, I'm in episode 8 out of 10. What the hell am I going to do?

Oh, man. What am I going to do? I know there's lots of shows out there, guys. I know. But it's just Love Island gave me. And like, do I start Love Island, UK? Because a lot of people said do Love Island, UK anyway. And I'm like, I don't have the time for both.

But I guess it's only one of them. But then there's something about like, I want to watch it with, like, with everybody. Yeah. It is. I feel like my, I haven't lived with roommates in a long time. 2013. So that's wild because it feels like that was such a long part of my life. It's weird to think that it's been quite a long time since I live with a

quite a long time. But I really feel like... Well, technically you live with little tyrant roommates. Yeah. I certainly don't live alone. Yeah. I just feel like to me, the platonic ideal of how to watch a reality show, especially in the summer, is like with a roommate and a six pack of line in cougals, you know, and it's

just like there's something, it feels like it's meant to be a shared communal experience, but not one that you have to like call people to come over because like no one's going to come over to watch Love Island, but you just have to be there. Exactly. I watch it with my friend Julia, but not in real life. We are both stoned and separate on our own couches texting each other continually throughout the episode. It's a social experience. Yes. It's just like how you're supposed to see a movie with someone so that you can talk about it afterwards. I feel like you are meant to have at least some like gab session with a friend after watching reality. And I think that's, that is the hard thing about, you know, being married and having a family

is that I'm not watching, I'm not watching Goss and Gabin with other people. Have you thought about getting rid of your family so you can watch more reality television? I mean, we are watching Sound of Music and all talking about. Not the same. Not the same. I'm teaching my children to love Christopher Plummer. All right. That is satisfying.

But, yeah, no, it's not the same. It's not the same. You're right. No. But that's, you know, it's all right because we both need to watch different things, MJ. You need to watch the sound of music. I do. I need to watch it about four times a year.

So that's in, if I start watching Love Island four times a year, put me away. I think that that means that it's time for me to go night night somewhere else, but just mentally. And I'm not going to ask that you do watch the sound of music, but I am going to remind you that there are multiple, like, thirst traps, like thirst trap edits given to Christopher Plummer from the Sound of Music because he is just... Are they more than the amount of scenes with children singing in them? Okay, the children singing is very good.

I know that you couldn't possibly believe me, but this is the ultimate musical of children singing. All the other musicals with children singing wish they were Sound of Music. All children singing wish they were the Von Trapp children. Okay. It doesn't get any better than this. And I mean that in a good way, not in a bad way. So I don't get any of that.

No, enjoy it while you can. Julie Andrews, Christopher Plummer, and seven children singing. I know you won't watch it. It's three hours long. I'm going to watch. You're going to make me watch it eventually. Eventually. I feel like I have to watch it eventually.

I will do a watch log with you except it's three hours long. But it's three hours long. Can't expect anyone to watch that with us. No. No. No, no, no, I'll be, then halfway through, I'm not going to remember. I'm like, what children? I'm just going to be like, I don't know what's going on. I've stopped listening. Christopher, who? I don't even know. So you don't want to hear that out of me, do you? No, I don't. You can go watch Love Island, UK. It's all right.

Thank you. But also, Jeff was upset because he thought that I did it on purpose that I chose not to watch Music Man on the 4th of July, even though it's a 4th of July movie. And he said that I'm trying to put off watching Music Man. And I just, I just didn't think about it. Do your husband a favor and watch the music man. It's almost as good as the sound of music. I have to give it to him. You know, you got to give them something, I guess. Give a mouse a cookie. I know how it goes.

But thank you guys so much for joining us on this week's episode of Second Helpings. Hopefully, got all full up with our hot takes. Go watch Altigatim. What are you doing with your life? Go put it on. I will watch it by next week, I promise. Go put it on. This is more, I'm screaming to everybody else.

Yeah. That, you know, check it out. It's on Netflix. Stay inside. The sun's out there. It sucks. Yeah. Yeah.

You know, at some point, my kids are going to be teenagers and I'll be able to watch stuff like this with them. I mean, again, maybe apropos of our conversation about watching American Beauty with your dad, maybe they don't want to watch stuff like that with me. But that, at some point, we'll be able to watch, you know, stupid.

Bro. shows like that. You are, because I was at a Fourth of July gathering, and there were some people there that I know. and a family was there and the I thought that the daughter was like in her 20s and she came over and was like oh my god are you guys talking about Love Island because me and Julie were talking about Love Island and I said yes and then we started like dishing, dishing, dishing and I'm being myself and talking about fusion you know just very crass and like 15 minutes deep she we start we were making fun of all of their

tattoos, specifically Ace. I think I told you that Ace has two cherubs on his chest. One has a harp and the other one has an AK-47. And we were joking about the tattoos. And she's like, well, I know, like, in three years, like, when I can, I'm definitely going to get a tattoo. And I was like, excuse me? What?

I just, oh. Because, like, I'm never around teenagers. So, like, I thought she looked young. but like I didn't realize she was 15 and then I was like oh my god we're talking to me about this I was like ah ah I just immediately was like oh my god why she's like I can hear the things like I was like I'm so sorry I just kept apologizing to her I was like do I need to go tell your mother and she's like I'm fine she's like I watch the show with her it's fine and I was like okay yes she does watch it with her I did end up talking to her mother about it and I did it apologizing she thought it was very

funny. I dream of watching shows like that with my kids when they're teenagers. I hope. I hope. Yes. And I know that you will. Yeah. You definitely will because I'm going to be right there making you do it. Don't worry. Don't you worry. And thank you everybody for joining us on this week's episode. We will be back next week with one Miss Natalie Jean and we are both very excited about it. I already have that bitch is snackie. Yeah, I can call her fucking snackies from a mile away. So come. join us next week. I hope you guys have a beautiful, beautiful weekend. And, MJ, I hope you do too. I hope you do too. You can join our Patreon over at patreon.com slash page seven podcast. There we've got Jackie's book club. We've got celebrities. We've got our Buffy Watchalong. And you can always email us at page seven podcast atch email.com. We love hearing from you. Thank you all so much, Jackie. Thank you. And we will see you next week. We'll see you next week, guys. Bye, everybody. This show is made possible by listeners like you.

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