Page 7 - Second Helpings - Another Scoop Of Evil

Episode Date: July 11, 2026

This week on Second Helpings, MJ and Jackie are back to talk 'bout that "lil tiff" Jack Antonoff was apparently talkin' 'bout at the Swift weddin', aka Margaret Qualley filed for divorce, as well as Blake Lively NOT getting an invite to her own dragon's wedding.  MJ went to see "Lion King" on Broadway, Jackie saw the Oliva Wilde marriage death film "The Invite", it was couples Karaoke night on "Love Island", which Jackie reports is surprisingly sober.  MJ talks more 'bout "Evil", and Jackie is already ready to watch "Widow's Bay" again! "The Bear" is ready to start its final season, Jackie is fell down a contact juggling hole, MJ tells the dark tale of Gideon losing THE SNAKEPIT to international superhacker Viper, and Jackie recommends "Maddie's Secret." Plus even more on this week's Second Helpings! Want even more Page 7? Support us on Patreon! Patreon.com/Page7Podcast Subscribe to SiriusXM Podcasts+ to listen to new episodes of Page 7 ad-free.Start a free trial now on Apple Podcasts or by visiting siriusxm.com/podcastsplus. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Yes, it will, guys. My name is Jackie Zabrowski. Welcome to page seven second helpings. Who am I joined by? I am MJ, and the story of the week is Taylor's wedding. But Jack Antonoff will never let her have the spotlight, will he? I do feel like we are always talking about Jack Antonoff if we are talking about Taylor's Twift,

and in a way this week cosmically makes sense. Yes, and in fact, even to a point that Holden couldn't believe that we weren't bringing up Jack Antonoff during the main. gush of Taylor's wedding, but don't worry, you're also going to get my hot takes on Love Island this week. And MJ, have you been taking anything down? Honestly, I need to sell you more on evil. I'm coming back with another pitch for evil. Second pitch of evil. Second helpings. Evil. Evil. Another scoop of evil. All right. Okay. Because I was mid on evil when I talked about it on the show. And now I'm like, not only am I fully away from mid and into pro, but I'm like, Jackie

would love this show. So I need to sell you. That's what I couldn't believe, because you brought up evil last week. Y'all came out of the woodwork for evil. Everyone loves evil. I had no idea. We're just seeping into the bloodstream of America. I had no idea. So I'm so excited to find out more. It's like this is a dorky show my husband likes, but it turns out it's a, it's a show that all of these people. It's a dorky show that lots of people like, MJ. How dare you? Who are not dorks also like. So, yeah, these are going to be the big things that we're getting into this week. But of course, before we get there, I got to ask you, MJ, if I were a bug, where would you kiss me?

Because I asked this of my husband the other day. And you know, I felt like it was one of those marriage. question traps that I, it wasn't even like, if I were a bug, would you still love me? And Jeff was like, that's why I was so put off that you said, if I were a bug, so not only that, you assume that I'm going to definitely still kiss you, you're just wondering where. And then, of course, the conversation was, what bug did you turn into? And I was like, oh, does it matter the shape of the bug that I turn into? But I appreciated it because he's like, how else am I supposed to do?

know where I'm supposed to giss you unless I know what you're made of. Oh, okay. So it wasn't like conditional about what type of bug. It was just more of like a research question. Yes. And I just, I included it in this week's dossier just because we talked about it for so long. We talked. I noticed and I thought, what the fuck?

I was like, I don't know what that means. It's almost like you remembered that Jeff and I are writing a cryptid fuck game. And, you know, when you start, when you're writing, you know, a. a cryptid kiss game like we are. You start to think of like, would I kiss a proboscis? Like, would I suck a ponsed an antennae? It really depends on what, like, yeah, maybe if I'm covered in moth dust, you might want to get my particles all over you.

I don't know. You know, I think that if my husband turned into anything, it would be a snake. How would you feel about that, even though snake's not a bug, but we can continue. I know. Well, that's why I'm what I hardly even imagine him as a bug Because he would so obviously become a snake I would listen Wow, do you talk about this to him?

I feel like you should You guys should have a conversation Every time I look at you I see snake I know you're not man You are snake I just know him well enough He's a snake boy You know he

He went to like snake boy camp When he was a kid And so I just know that if he Does he have the tongue Did he slice it down the Can he kiss you in two different ways? Ooh, yeah, no, I don't. See, that's actually making the, where would I kiss you?

I would kiss him on the top of his snake head. Oh, like a loving parent would, yeah. Just a little kiss, and then I'll send you on your way. Well, it's going to make the rest of your marriage really difficult. But I guess being married to a snake would also be difficult. Yeah, yeah. So you, I mean, do you get to, what kind of bug would you be? Or do you not get to choose?

I was really, and I think it was because of the Buffy episode, coming on some eggs that we all really thought about a lot, which was the praying mantis episode, which is when the hot teacher wasn't trying to just bang the students. She was also a praying mantis trying to have the students be used as sacuels for her eggs. And while, yes, that is badass, I, of course, would want to be that praying mantis not to go after minor boys,

but to go after old men and to fill their corpses with my eggs. Okay. Yeah, I think that's fine. And Jeff, Jeff is cool with that. Yeah, and he said that as long as I didn't kill him, but I'd have to promise, really pro. And I was like, at least you would know that I wouldn't be able to cross my talons to be able to say, I promise I will not cut your head off. Now, do you think that Margaret Qualley is going to kill Jack Antonoff?

Because I would never delight in a divorce story, you guys. I'm not a sociopath. But if she starts hacking away at his little head and you just watched it roll away from her, I mean, I wouldn't say no. He does have a little head in big years, And I think it would look funny for it to roll away separately from his body, not that I'm encouraging that. I just, she's, I've always been just a slight head scratch at this relationship. I know he's a very talented yet controversial producer.

Some people feel as if all of his songs sound the same. And Haldon hates those people. I just think that Marco Quali is just so stunning. Every time I see a picture of them together, I'm like, oh, okay. But it's fine. But what I, the funniest part of this story, again, divorce, not. funny, but I do think that him going to the wedding without her to Taylor's wedding last week without her and saying she wasn't there because they had a little tiff is so funny and

honestly relatable because I said, who amongst us has not gone to a high-stakes social event after like a seismic marital conflict? Huge fight. And everyone is like, where's your partner? You're like, oh, we had a little tiff. No, it's fine. Everything's fine. Oh, they're coming later. Yeah. I'm here with my sister because I'm not here with my wife. because we had a little tith. And then I looked into all the other, like, minor ways. The tiff has been playing out. Like, he stopped playing the song that is about her on his tour.

Yeah, because of a tiff. Yeah, yeah, it's just a tiff. And she changed her Instagram name from a reference to one of their songs. Yeah, that's what you do after a tiff, yes. Her full name, which is it to being like, it's not your name. It's my name. Oh, and then she also removed all. of their wedding photos. It's just a tiff.

It's just a tiff. And like, that's what, sometimes, uh, sometimes women do that. Oh, sometimes I did you have a tiff? And it is, word on the street is, which would make sense. This is more coming from Margaret Qualley than it is Jack Antonoff. And that's why he's trying to do the like, oh, it's going to, no, it's just fine. But man, to miss, it's like, it is crazy the weird, like, humble brags. I feel like I'm seeing from people that were like, I was invited to Taylor's wedding, but I chose not to go.

But I do love the, like, Robert Pattinson's of them that he was just like, I'm Batman. I was shooting Batman, so I got to go be Batman. And then, wait, who was the person who was like, was it Blake Live? One of the people who wasn't invited, kind of tried to be like, oh, it was because I was filming, and then they looked into it, and they were like,

you were not filming. I have to figure, I have to remember who that was. But Margaret Qualley, I really feel bad for her because I feel like you have to save the divorce. I mean, as much as we just spent all of the previous episode shitting on this wedding, if I have, if my husband, who I'm about to divorce is going, I'm going. Like, I'm setting the divorce for August, you know. I don't want to miss that wedding. Change the calendar date.

But also, I think that, like, when I first saw that Jack Antinoff was there alone, I was like, oh, where is Mark Qualley? And people were like, oh, she's, like, off a, like, on a boat with all of her friends off the coast of Italy. And I was like, yeah, I'd fucking rather do that too. You know, when I didn't even know about the split yet, I was just like, yeah, you couldn't pull me away from that to go to a wedding at Madison Square Garden. Yeah, yeah, yeah, whereas I think, yeah, it was like, at first, Blake lively, I think it was a kind of, they tried to be like, oh, she was busy. And then it was like, she was up in upstate New York. And I was like, you know, being in upstate New York on the 4th of July

isn't the worst. It's, it's, that's pretty fun. But again, as much as I just took many shits on that wedding. If I could go, I would have gone. It's unlike the Bezos wedding. The Bezos wedding, I'm not going. Actual evil. Taylor? Evil. It's shades of gray of evil, but definitely evil. She's up there. She's definitely evil. And we're not talking about the television show, it seems. Not yet. No. What's one more person in a sea of a thousand if I'm going to the wedding? I got to see what alcohol they're serving. I got to see what the food is like. Yeah, what the buffet line is like that they didn't even have a sit down dinner. Oh, yeah, where were you going to sit, MJ? Oh, you're going to sit up in the rafters with the

fucking pigeons? Yeah, it wasn't even a plate in dinner. MJ, it was a buffet. That is it bad that I said, I kind of like that? You know, it's so Taylor, though. They had pop tarts on their dessert table, isn't that so? Not like the other girls. She had popped hearts there. Isn't that? Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! She's just the girl next door who's represented in the Empire State Building. She's just like us. It is. It's also she's just like us. And speaking of she's just like us, I do love, was it Megan Markle that you were thinking

of, MJ? That was like, Megan Markle was like, I really wanted to attend Taylor's wedding. It's like, I was like, I definitely like really wanted to. And like I know that like William and Kate, like, yeah, they had their like thing. But like, I'm a mom. Oh, you know, oh, I can't make it. You know? Bitch, you weren't invited.

Yeah. Not invited. Yeah. Not invited. Yeah, it was a very like, oh my God. It's just like the fact that there was a source talking about Megan wanted to be there. Don't, it don't. Oh, this is so cringe.

That's mean. Because they met up with William and Kate before the wedding. like as if they are in the royal family more than Harry and Megan are, which I think actually might be true at this point. It might be. I know her being like, oh, I would have loved to have gone. It's like the Nathan Field,

they're like just standing with my friends having a great time. They're all out of frame laughing. You know, like laughing with me. I know. I honestly actually feel bad for Megan because if you're meeting with your sister and brother-in-law before the wedding and then you're not even getting an invite, that's Taylor, come on. And also, I honestly know, I want to know what's going on with Blake lively because also I did,

I was laughing very hard at the like victory lap video that Justin Baldoni and his wife put out. That also I said it's giving. Oh my God. It's giving Ashton Cucher and Milakunas apology for Danny Masterson letter video. But it's a win. Baldoni, nobody cares about you. Who cares? Who cares?

But then also, while we're talking about Beldonie, I know we were all kind of like, you know, maybe a little bit mean girl to be like, oh, well, Blake Lively wasn't invited. But I spent a lot of time thinking about this this morning. Did Taylor really end the friendship because Blake lively was like, I'm doing this big lawsuit. And my dragon, Taylor Swift will back me up. And did Taylor Swift really? really feel so offended by that that she was like, you know what?

I'm abandoning you. And if so, what do we think about that? Who's the B? Especially because between those two. She has, didn't she just have a whole song that's like, I like my friends canceled? Like, wasn't that a whole thing of like, my friends are better when they're canceled? And so you would think that she would be like welcoming her in with open arms. So that's what makes me think that the lawsuit was way messier than we.

as plebes will ever really find out and that she must have been trying to include Taylor, I'm assuming. If she got subpoenaed or something. Right, in ways that she didn't feel comfortable with where she's like, wait, what do you want me to do? Wait, do not drag me into all of this. Wait, wait, wait. And I do imagine that that could push them to a point where they don't want to, then she

just doesn't want to interact with her anymore. That's fair. If some, if you're, if you're close friend, it starts a very, public fight and then gets you dragged in in a legal way. And it was like about a, you know, a project that, you know, Taylor Swift couldn't even watch it and be like, yes, this is championing. Like, we couldn't even like, there was nothing. And Taylor Swift had used like her song in, in the movie and in the trailer. And so I just feel like I'm assuming she wanted nothing to do with nuns of it. Yeah. Yeah. But now I, I'm actually, I feel

bad for Megan Marr. The wedding I hate that I think shouldn't have had. You feel bad for Megan Markle? And I feel bad for Blake lively, not being invited. I feel bad for the ladies who are left out. I don't. But I'm a mean girl and that's how it goes. You're a junior high bully once. Junior high bully. You can never take it away for me. Always. Forever. Forever, babe. Yeah. Yeah. And Baldoni's out here, yeah, making this video with his wife to just be like, oh, that was a that that that that sucked. And it's like, This was hard for us. No one wants to hear about it. Nobody cares, bro.

Like, nobody cares. Nobody cares. Ashton Coucher and Milakunis couldn't flip the millennial coin here, all right? You ain't going to do it. Nobody's. The only reason we know about you is because of the lawsuit and not in a good way. Yeah. The movie wasn't good.

And it really is a, there was, if there's no winners, it was just like a mutually self-destructive, like, you know. know, now nobody likes Blake lively or Justin Baldoni. And for what? Did you just have a sip of a seltzer that you don't like? Sorry, it's just, it's a Waterloo. I didn't realize it's another one of the Guy Fietti flavor towns. And it's just called Lemon Italian Ice.

And it's just, it reminds me if like a lemon looked at the sparkling water and went like, I bet you could never be it. And the water went, yeah. Yeah. Like with no comebacks. And this is not good. It's a less lemony version of a lemon sparkling water. And I don't know.

They were like, how about we just take some of the lemon out of it? And then it'll be a different flavor. But instead, it just kind of tastes like nothing. Thanks, Guy Fieri. The Flavortown Silters seem consistently light on flavor, which is.

You know, you know, MJ. I would agree with you. but I'll throw it out there. I was throwing a couple of those root beer, uh, seltzer waters back during a pool party. And I throw it out there. It was refreshing. Not as viscous as a soda.

It was kind of nice. It was kind of nice. It wasn't as sugary. Oh God. MJ, it's all I've got left. I was inspired by your and Jake's protein root beer to actually just order like a regular root beer. And now I just have regular soda.

in my fridge for the first time in like 25 years. How does that make you feel? It's great. It really is. And then... Soda's good. It's so funny. We're all going back around.

I feel like soda drinkin's coming back. Cigarette smoking is coming back in like crazy. Is it? Oh, yeah. People are looking at the world right now and they're like, what is it fucking matter? What is it possibly? And everyone's like now knows that vaping is just as bad.

So everyone's like, then why are we looking? fucking stupid. Why do we just smoke cigarettes instead? Everyone knows it looks cool to smoke cigarettes and everyone knows it's lame to vape. I say this as someone that vapes weed myself. So I'm not, I'm not just throwing stones here. So it's just, you know, we got it. We're just, I think we're all just kind of throwing in the towel. I think us millennials are just like, all right, I can't do another recession. I can't do it. So we're just going to, I'm just going to drink soda and I'm smoke cigarettes. So now I think that we can decide that we have talked about every aspect of the Taylor wedding that we need to talk about. I was I was surprised to learn that none of her godchildren

were there and that she has five godchildren, but do we care? Not really. So she didn't choose them. They were put on her, you know? Yeah. Yeah. And it sounds like she is not maintaining her godmother responsibilities. I get it. Which yeah, you know, I don't know if anybody really loves having that title anyway, but I think that he... You know, Henry is a godfather, which I think is still very funny because when asked I was like, and he was like, me? And he's like, you know, I don't,

I don't and I don't go in those places, right? And he still did it, and I'll never forget that I was just like, I remember us all being like, sah, sa, sa, ha, ha, ha. It's like in the church and he's like holding the baby up like it's in Lion King. And I'm just like, in my head, I'm like, just pretend like it's Lion King.

I'm like, I'm fine with it if it's Lion King. It's like, all this is Lion King. This is in church. This is just Lion King. I saw Lion King on Broadway this weekend, by the way. Whoa. I know it's not new. Not new culture, but I am here to report that this one of the longest running shows on Broadway at this point. Good.

How do you like them big puppets? Do we call them puppets at that point? Oh, yeah. It was actually like so awesome. Oh, my God, when they come down the aisles and you're just like, I'm in it. I'm here. It was so cool. Oh, yeah.

And you cry. You're just like, I know all of this. And you're just like crying, crying, crying. I cried so much. And I remember, I mean, the show, the Broadway show started in 1997, and I was 11. And I remember seeing ads for it and being like, I desperately want to see that musical on Broadway. And instead, we saw the producers with Nathan Lane and Matthew Broderick. Well, it's probably a better choice.

Oh, that is something that could never be a... Hello. You saw perfection on a stage. I'm sorry that you're going to see Mufasa on the stage, but now you see Mufasa on the stage. but now you see Mufasa on the fucking stage. And it was great. And so if you have children and the Lion King is coming to a theater near you, M.J endorses. Very good.

Very good 30-year-old show. I'm surprised it's still around. It is good, huh? It was my kid's first Broadway show. And that was what was so cool about it. That is amazing. What are the kids that, like, were they, I mean, especially when they're coming down the aisle, you know, and when it's just just losing.

their minds. And like, yeah, it's just cool to introduce Broadway as a concept, you know, because when you're raising kids in New York City for the first, like, literally eight years, you can't really do any of the best things that the city has to offer. It starts to emerge so at five and six, you can bring them to some of the cool stuff. But, like, I am now in this, like, parenting in New York City Renaissance, where I'm like, last year we took the boat to see the Statue of Liberty just for fun. And now we're going to Broadway just for fun. And it's like, yeah, this doing fun, cool stuff. And I'm like, we live in a city that just has Broadway. Like it's not like we can go all the time because it's very expensive, but like, we could like do this again whenever we want to do something really special. And it was cool. It is so crazy, too, as someone that like growing up in Queens, like I remember before we moved away from New York was like the first time we ever went into Manhattan to do all of the touristy things that we never did. And even though we always grew up in Queens and just could see Manhattan, we very, very rarely went into Manhattan. So, because of course, if you live out of

in Queens, why would you? And like, why would you want to lose your parking space to go into the city? You know what I mean? And especially when you just got these rambunctious kids running around. But that really, I'll never forget doing all those things being like, this was all right here? This was right here? And it's like, wow, being poor in this city is really crazy. Yeah, yeah.

That's nuts. Not quite the same. Oh, my God. But I, you know, I did preface this. in the dossier, which I'll only refer to it as such. The steel dossier. Is there a new segment called What's she wrong about this week? Because I'm coming in hot with guys, I was wrong.

I was wrong and I'm here to confess it to you. I went to go see Olivia. I'm not going to call her Olivia Mild. I went to go see Olivia Wilds, the invite. And it was wonderful. It was wonderful. I, and I don't know, it's so funny because I was talking to someone before we went to go see it that was a younger person. And they specifically were like, usually I don't give a shit about like married things, but it was a really, really good movie.

And I was like, oh, okay. I mean, that makes sense from a younger perspective that you wouldn't give a fuck about just like a story about a married couple. But we are of the age that that is completely our wheelhouse. And watching this movie, I will not, you know, obviously I would never name, in fact, no one would know who they are over a microphone anyway. But we have a couple in our lives that so essentially this whole movie is about a couple that do not really love each other anymore. And that is Olivia Wilde and Seth Rogen. And they really don't even like talk to each other anymore. They kind of just talk at each other.

And she invites over Ed Norton and Penelope Cruz. and they are this couple that is in honestly Jeff and I kept making the jokes that I think that this is our aura. I do believe it is the aura that everyone thinks. And I think it is just because, and I say this out of respect, I think it's just because Jeff is an emotionally communicative, very open, respectful man. I'm a very open, respectful, emotionally communicative woman. And a lot of times people think we're trying to fuck them. And we are not. And we're never trying to have sex with them.

But you're also both very physically affectionate with each other. Yes, we're very loving. No matter who you're around, which I love. Yes. But I could imagine that when you guys are making out with each other, hanging out with two other people, they might be like, are we, are we joining? Are we? And we try to, of course, not do that.

We try to not put that on other people. We try to be aware of these things. But that is essentially what is happening in this movie that Penelope Cruz and Ed Norton come over. And they are just very much in love with each other and very open and very willing to talk about sex and willing to talk about Barry Manipause and like all the things that like Seth Rogen and Olivia Wilde

are just like, oh, okay, you know, we're talking about this. Okay, it's just a lot of... It's just genuinely the shots. Like, I noticed the way in which the movie was shot. It was beautifully done. It was so well written to the point that there are, I have like a list of six people that can never see this movie because I think that they will immediately get divorced. And I loved the interplay of the four of them.

Olivia Wilde ruining other people's marriages, not just for own there. Really? It's like she's bringing her vinaigrette around, I guess. I don't know what she's doing. She's spewing it everywhere. It was delightful. It was just a genuinely, really, I thought, a very good movie. If you like, to be fair, you know, there's not explosions. It is definitely just a character study of these. It's just the four of them in the movie. That's my exact type of movie. The young person who said they don't like marriage movies or marriage stories is interesting to me because when When I was like 22, I read Revolutionary Road, and that was also when the movie came out, which is, you know, about a marriage slowly falling apart. And I was like, this is the best book I've ever read, and I love this movie, and I love scenes from marriage. I think my favorite genre might be marriage is falling apart. Bro, you've seen Blue Valentine, right?

I mean, it's why it's one of my favorite movies. I love watching I love love and I love watching Love Die. And those, that's the spectrum of Jackie. And this movie is all of that, kind of all in one. And I went into it just being like, all right, let's, you know, it's a Sunday afternoon. Let's see what this movie is. And afterwards, Jeff and I both were like, did we love that? Oh my God, I think we loved that.

So what do you think happened with Don't Worry, Darling? Because you saw Don't Worry Darling. I think it was such a fuck. I think that so much got screwed with it. I think that it ended up being, I'm assuming that all of the swirl of the PR around it and all of the upset of like with the, like with the changing of the cast and everything and all of, it seemed like, remember, because we talked about it for so long, there was so, it was so rife with drama. I think I'm assuming is what the downfall was. And also, I'm probably assuming it could have been that like, I believe that that was during the just like the downfall of her marriage. That was her like starting to see Harry Stiles.

That was like a very tumultuous time period for her. This has shown I've grown up from then. And this is where I'm at now. And it makes me just be like, Olivia Wild, okay. Because like I liked Booksmart. I really genuinely liked Booksmart. So I wonder if that maybe don't worry, darling, is more the anomaly. I'm hoping.

I'm putting out some positive energy here. Well, now I feel bad for mocking her for being part. of the British gentry. No, we can mock her for that. No, I mean, Western and English, right. No, we're allowed to make fun. We're allowed to make, we're allowed to punch up, MJ. I mean, that's a part of being a comedian.

The vinegaret is still. Mild. The vinaigarette is mild. She is not. All right? Yeah, it's a mid-vinegaret, and I still think that she wronged Jason Siddakis. But sometimes love dies, MJ. Sometimes love.

just dies. And you kill it by sleeping with Harry Styles. Sleeping with Harry Styles. While you're still with Jason Siddickis. But that's, yeah, yeah, it's not my marriage. And ultimately, I don't have to judge somebody's art badly just because they made a very poor interpersonal choice. Right. I don't. But I did want to just quickly, just have a quick sidebar because I wanted to give a shout out to Grace from Patreon. This is to do with our conversation about A shirts the other day where it's like the who's on a shirt first. And I really loved this and I am genuinely trying to adopt it now.

And I just want to say thank you, Grace. Grace said my group of guy friends call the Little White Tanks wife appreciators, which has similar mouth feel, but less dark implications. And I love the lengthening of it into wife appreciators. And then trying to be like, it's got the same mouth feel. And you're right, except it extends it. And I think that makes me love it even more. Ah, you have your wife appreciator on.

Ah, you see, ah, yes, good. Good to appreciate the wives on a day like today. Like, any time somebody comes out in an A shirt. Like, ah, good. Yeah, it's one of those days, huh? Mother's Day. Yeah. I'll try it.

I wear a lot of wife appreciators. And my life has really, my language has really suffered since the appropriate ending of the previous term. And so I will try wife appreciators. It's so funny. Oh my God. It's almost as funny

as watching the people on Love Island do karaoke. MJ, I got to say that I think that this may have been weirdly, even though it was not the most sensational. This, I first had heard that they were going to have all the islanders do karaoke and compete. And I was like, oh, God, all right.

Let's see what this is going to be. but talk about a fascinating portion of seeing into what beautiful privilege begets because so they practiced all day like they were all doing karaoke in their couples and they were all like practicing all day and working on it all day and all of them were like I'm like a really good singer so like I know like once they got out there like I'm just going to shake me being and it was so adorable because I will say they were all very very supportive. above each other because it has to be terrifying to one do karaoke two do karaoke in front of millions and millions of people three do it soberly and to think they were sober i thought they're never sober oh bub they only allowed one drink a day oh no it is the opposite of that the craziest part about love island mj is that they're sober the entire time. That's the craziest part. They're doing all of this soberly. Wow. Unless they're bringing the drugs in their shoes like the situation did with the Jersey shorts. So don't get me wrong. I'm sure there are some drugs in the shoes situations.

But for the most part, they're only allowed to drink one drink a day. Okay. So it's not a love is blind. No, no, no, no, no, no. It is not that. In fact, I think there would be a lot more repercussions. if that were the case. You know, I think that that's where it would really get mad. I mean, people would die. They're there for so long. Okay, that's good. You can even see.

I'm happy to hear that. Looking at Kenzie, if you look at a picture from where she was at the beginning to where she is now, you've watched a spirit die. She has no light in her eyes at all anymore. She's gone as a human. And I'm just like, is she ever going to return? I don't know. Melanie, I don't know if you're ever going to be able to get past this and what is happening to you either.

But I did. Tell me about the karaoke songs. Honestly, MJ, watching them do karaoke was so fascinating because they all are so beautiful and they've never been told they were bad at something in their life. Right. Right. Right. This is the dangerous thing about being so beautiful. Yes. And I was recently talking to someone about. beautiful privilege and I obviously you know I'm not saying I have none of it I know I have it to a certain portion I was specifically making the joke that whenever I'm around Natalie who is you know is 5-11 she's covered in tat she's a stunt woman she's you know like a goddess that walks among this earth it's wonderful because no one perceives me when Natalie's around I don't exist and like I'm saying that in a positive way that I feel bad for her because

that it's like, man, that sucks. I could just be like, I don't know, whatever the beautiful lady says. The beautiful lady needs things. Yeah, it's privilege and it's a curse. It is. It is. Yeah, people don't talk to you like you're a fellow human, which I think would be very lonely. But they really all thought that they did a really, really good job. And really, honestly, only one of them could kind of sing. And I say this as someone that also gets drunk and does karaoke on Jackin every Friday. I'm not saying I'm perfect. I'm not saying it's easy. singer. But you know that are very good singers, though. And I felt so bad for them. But then at the same

time, looking at how they all were like, we did it so great afterwards. I was like, man, would that I could live in that brain? Wouldn't that be wonderful? Or do you have to live in that brain to get past a traumatic event like doing karaoke in front of millions of people? You know? What is it that Holden said that how he would describe Northwest performance as Simba and the Lion King? Like, she had a lot of fun out there. You know, it's like, I feel like, a lot of fun out there. And they did. They really, they gave it their all. They all practiced all day. And I'm not even one to be like, off, keys off. Like, I'm not saying that. It's just, you could tell they were so nervous to do it.

And they're like sucking on each other. They're fucking in front of millions of people. But, like, singing what made them all so desperately nervous that it was kind of interesting to watch them get rattled. I was like, yeah, get fucking rattled. This is terrifying. Yeah, that's something where, like, no matter how hot you are in a bikini, it doesn't change how good you are at karaoke. Yes, yes. What, like, what songs are we talking about, like? Well, there was a don't go break in my heart.

Okay. If I try, there was, which was, as someone that sang this song at Ed's wedding, someone chose ain't no mountain high enough. And I was like, that's a difficult song. That's why I don't know if they were all given the songs or if they were able to choose them because some of them had some songs that was like, that's not the song I would have fucking chosen. Oh, that's what, oh my God, Zach and Kada chose endless love. How are you possible? Endless love sung by Lionel Richie. Diana Ross, you guys are going to sing endless?

And afterwards they were like, where are we at the bottom? Why are we in the bottom? Why'd you choose to sing endless love? I can't even harmonize with endless love. Like, it's difficult. It's difficult. As I know I've talked about this before, but as somebody who has a very small vocal range, you have to find the karaoke songs that have like a very small vocal range,

which is why my go-to song is Cheap Trick's Surrender. And there is a key change in it, which is a challenge. But I can rise to that challenge. You got to know what you can rise to and also throwing it out there. It is a short song and it's always a banger. I'm just giving you this tip right now. When the moon hits your eye like a big beats up by and that's a moor. And you get everybody to sing when you do that song.

Yeah. Yeah. No, that's a good one. Yeah. I mean, everyone knows if you have lived a normal life, You have collected, you know, five karaoke songs that you know you can do well every time. I say that I am 40. These people are at the beginning of their adult lives.

But I also think that they have not lived normal lives. They have not found themselves at a bar that suddenly is doing karaoke at 1 a.m. Also, they're COVID babies. They're all COVID teenagers. So you think that they didn't, they were not socialized the way we were socialized. Yeah. And you can tell by the way they talk about each other. Like it's also even like after that movie night thing that I was screaming about last week,

that like it's almost as if some of them are starting to learn like, oh my God, the things I do have repercussions. Not that they could say the word repercussions, but like I think that they are just understanding that, oh, I can't just act like a piece of shit. Some of them. Well, that's good for them. Right? I genuinely feel like, again, I know these people are not children and they are adults and they need to be held.

Like for the men doing bad things like need to be held accountable for the shitty and misogynistic things that they are doing. And they're not. They're barely all being forgiven. They're all like, it's okay. And everyone on the internet is just like, ah, treat yourself better. But that is, I was actually talking with a friend of mine who's been a school counselor for like 20 years. Oh, no. this week. And so she has, beaten, broken down, yeah.

But sometimes when you talk to people about, like, how the kids are nowadays, you're like, okay, grandma, like, you know, it's like, obviously it's a generational thing to look at the next generation below you. That word is triggered because of Love Island for me right now, okay? But, you know, you look and you're like, oh, the kids are doing it wrong or whatever. And then I also think that now with the pandemic, there's a, there's a, people will be like, oh, with a pandemic, you know, blah, blah, blah. But talking to my friend who's been a school counselor for 20 years,

it's really interesting because she has 20 years of data to compare. And she can tell you even class by class. You know, she's like the kids who missed their senior year and prom and graduation. Like those are like the Love Island age now. And like that they missed these really formative. Formative things. Next year's, the rising seniors of this year were like in seventh grade.

And you miss, like think of how much you learn in seventh grade, even though it sucks and we all hate it. Like there's a lot of. of like social learning and emotional learning that goes on. And if that wasn't happening. So it is, we knew in 2020, oh, this is going to have social repercussions. But then now I think we just don't want to think about it and don't want to talk about it because it sucked and we never want to think about it again. But we are like living in a like, what does it do to take away a extremely

formative year of a young person's life? Look at Love Island and find out, you know? Yeah, epitome. You know, they say things like Compromise. I'm just here to a murmur. I'm just here to a merge myself, MJ. I'm here to emerge myself, all right? I got to emerge myself and make sure that I'm kissing all the kisses I got a kiss, okay? How else am I supposed to do it if I don't emerge myself? Oh, sweetie. He just keeps saying emerge, and it's just like, and nobody's telling him.

And he thinks that, like, that's a big letter, like, that's a big ticket word for him to be using, by the way. Does he mean immerse? Yes, he does meet immerse. He does. That is the way that we had. to use the context clues with the amount of times he said it that oh he means immerse. But how would you feel, I know, not to just bring it back to Tay just real quick, but it was pretty funny because Gwen Stefani and Blake Shelton also got married on July 3rd

and Gwen Stefani, which I don't say lightly anymore. Yeah. For sure. We still don't like your cultural appropriation. No, and we don't like your fucking hallow app. and we don't like or whatever. We don't like any of that stuff. No, we don't like it.

We don't like it. We don't like it. Weird Christ app. But I do feel bad that she posted a anniversary post for her and Blake Shelton. And everyone online was like, stealing Kay's Day. It's Tay's Day. And it, well, I did even be like, man, that's, like, it's also Ed Larson from the network. It's also his wedding anniversary, too.

and we were already making that joke. But then to see it done on such a public scale at Gwen Stefani kind of makes me laugh. Yeah. And then these like the people who, whose thing on Twitter is to just like aggregate other people's posts and then say things and then create this big stir. And then it gets written up by BuzzFeed. Somebody criticized Gwen Stefani for posting. But like it wasn't even, it was like she just, wasn't like she was like, this is my day. She just posted like, happy five years, I love you, baby.

And then one of those big Twitter accounts reposted it. It was like, weird to be posting this on Taylor's Wedding Day. And it's like, it's their wedding anniversary. This has, yeah, that, and that's also not Taylor's fault. Like, but that is a, yeah, that's just, that's, it's, it sucks to be like so big that somebody else talking about their own life on your day, quote unquote, now people are mad at her on behalf of you. Yeah, poor Gwen Stefani. And that's the only time I'm going to say it. And it's the last time I'm going to say it. Because she is allowed to celebrate her own wedding anniversary without people being like, you're selfish. You're stealing Tays Day's day. I mean, you are selfish and you are, you know, stealing other things from people. But like, but the day is still a day. It's not like she showed up to Taylor's wedding in a wedding dress. That would be. Oh my God. There was already backlash because I don't even know who it was. It was some person like that brought their girlfriend and it was like, the girlfriend wore

white on Taylor's wedding day. And it's just like, I think they know who the bride is. I'm pretty sure no one's questioning who's getting married at MSG. So I think it'll be fine. There's a thousand wedding guests. I think it'll be okay. Okay, is it time for me to sell you on evil? You're allowed. Your evil floor is open. And now I feel like this is like going to, to be put, I hate to say this, it's going to be put in the category of you with my mother. My mother is also, my mother has been pitching evil, but she's also been pitching the show from, and she's obsessed with the show from. And I feel like you also would be obsessed with the show from, MJ, just because I feel that this is in a similar world, but I don't know.

From. I'm like, how do I even Google this? I googled the show from. Okay, well, I'll learn about from at another time. But here's that. thing that I undersold. I told you all the basics. Luke Cage is there. It's about like it's Mulder and Scully, but working for the Catholic Church. And they are going around. And each week, there's a new demon that they need to stop or a new exorcism that they need to do. But one of them... But again, this is pro-church. I don't, it's, I don't know if I would say it's pro-church. It's just like it is, the church is a huge character in the show. The Catholic Church. Okay.

It is a huge character to show. And it is, it is pretending that it is not evil. Or is that the evil? I mean, they're not talking about

like the child sex abuse scandal and they're not talking about like those demons and where maybe they're getting their demons from so they don't bring up any of that of why they might be haunted or like the J.D. Vance

branch of Catholicism that's just like getting your dick in a couch. They're not talking about that. It's just like, it's more like the Catholic church exists and they think that

exorcisms are how you, it's like it is, it creates a world in which the question is, is it the devil or is it psychology? And I think that's a very fun question. Because we don't believe in mental illness, so it must be a demon of some sort.

Yeah, but like not in a way where you're like, this is bad. Okay, okay. It's just like, it's just like, what if we live in a world where someone, you see someone having a very intense mental health episode and because you're Luke Cage. I'm sorry, I'm going to keep calling him Luke Cage, the actor that plays Luke Cage, because you are an aspiring priest and you believe in God and demons, when you see somebody

having a mental health crisis, your first thought is they are possessed by the devil. And your partner, the Scully's thought is, I am a psychologist, and I think that this is a mental health episode. And that's the tension. But then the thing I did not sell you on, Jackie, is that those two also want to fuck. And that's really what I missed. And that's why I wanted to circle back because he's an aspiring priest and he wants to fuck.

What does this remind you of? Fleabag and everybody loved a priest who wants to fuck. And now instead of being Andrew Scott, it's Luke Cage, the actor who plays Luke Cage. And isn't that nice? Not doing anything for you.

You know what it is? I'm inherently against the idea that a priest shouldn't have a family. Like I feel like it's like I, like I'm so against. I'm just so against that full idea that it actually gives me an ick about Luke Cage because it makes me me like I know what the answer is in the same way yes it gave me an ick about Andrew Scott too that it's just like the answer is put it in me we're human put it in me if you want to put it in me and I know you want to put it in me. Mike Coulter is Luke Cage. I'm going to start calling him Mike Coulter. You can call him Luke Cage. I mean, we refer to Duck as Duck on a different, on Desperate Housewives just because I was watching Mad Men.

So you can call him Luke Cage all you want. We all get it. Okay. And we're only in season two out of four seasons, and something tells me that they are going to fuck. They're going to make it. There's a lot of fantasies about it. Okay. He really wants to have sex with her, and she really wants to have sex with him.

And she really doesn't want, she does not want to believe that the devil can, you know, inhabit people, but, you know, much like Scully, sometimes you got to consider it. And he doesn't want to believe that any mental health issue could be something that isn't the devil. And he's also kind of opening his mind, although it is pointing towards the devil. You've got to watch it, Jackie. It's so fun. I know that I should because it does sound, it does sound like a lot of fun. And I think that- And then Asaf Mandi is there and he's also a skeptic. So it's too skeptics. So it's two skeptics versus one religious guy. So it's like all of the religious stuff.

And you've seen Hannibal. Is it as psychosexual as Hannibal is? I mean, nothing is as a psychosexual as Hannibal. That's the thing. See, this is, because I feel like Hannibal was like, I don't usually watch. I don't usually, I guess can you refer. No, Hannibal is not a procedural show. I don't know what it's called. But like those kind of shows where it's like, yeah.

There's a thing. And then by the end of the episode, they have the, like a law and order SVU. Like honestly, I use. used to back in the day watch many episodes of it, but I kind of lost my flavor for a lot of those kind of things. But with Hannibal, you know, the just innate sexual tension between all of them and all of the like, ah, ah, what if we did? Ah, ah, you know, like all of that is really what kept me. So I'm worried, you know what, MJ, as you continue, if that part of it grows, come at me. I will. I'm ready for pitch number three.

I'm ready for it. Because I really, like I said, when I talked about it the first time, I was like, this is what we're watching, and I'm not super invested in it yet. And now I am like, this is a really fun summer show because it's really wacky. It doesn't take itself that seriously. It's sexy. There's demons. And you love demons. I do love demons.

And the devil is there. Now that there is the empty hole that Widows Bay burst into my life that I didn't. even know that I needed. And now that it's over, I've watched multiple long YouTube videos talking about all of the Easter eggs that there were. And I'm just like, oh my God. I immediately want to watch it all. MJ, the show is so detailed in ways you have no idea. They put so much work into Widows Bay. There's so much that's literally like written on the wall that you have had no idea. It makes me want to immediately watch it again.

I'm a... God, I'm obsessed with Patricia. I just... I want to meet her. I want to just talk to her about how she does things. Like, she just, those... Like, especially the Patricia episodes

just had me on luck. I'm obsessed with her. I saw that she did an interview and everyone was so happy because she's just like not Patricia. At all. Give this bitch and Emmy. Give this bitch. Such a good actor.

Emmy, especially is so funny, watching the interviews of Patricia and Matthew Reeves and Stephen Root. And the three of them also, so, like, they're in such, like, cartoonish characters, except based in reality in Widows Bay and then watching them talk as their actual selves in the interview. I was just like, who are these people? These artists, I feel like, I really is, because especially Stephen Root and watching Stephen Root just speak like a normal. I'm like, it's crazy to me that Stephen Root is normal at all. As someone that, like, bows down to the pedestal of news radio. Like, it's crazy to me that there is even a normal version of Stephen Root.

Yeah. Yeah, I don't even know if I could handle that. Or like an office space or like, and it's like, you just think of Stephen Root and you just think of. And like, I don't even realize how heightened his character is in Widow's Bay until you watch an interview with them. And you're just like, man, you're just a guy. That's crazy to me that you're just a guy And then Matthew Reese Talking with his highfalutin

And he's such a weenie In the show Wait, Matthew Reese has a highfalutin accent Yeah dude Oh yeah, he's a Britishman He's a British Oh yeah bro He's Welsh

Yeah dude I'm sorry Welsh, excuse me But also the accent is like Yes not what I expected coming out of him At all you look shocked. I never knew. You look shocked. You have to watch some of these interviews. That's what I'm saying. And Patricia's also British too.

So the three of them talking to each other like normal people, I was just like, oh my God, they're all normal people. Matthew Reese is my mind because he's in the Americans. I know you love Matthew Rees. I can't believe he didn't know this. He doesn't have a British accent in the Americans. He doesn't have a British accent. And that one he did with Claire Danes, which I just watched. And he doesn't have a British accent. I did not know. he was British. He's like my favorite actor

and I didn't know. Or Welsh colonizers, sorry. Okay, so guys, colonizers. Lest I forget, lest I erase the Welsh identity, I apologize. I apologize. So I apologize. Welsh, you refer to it as a Welsh accent? Yeah, I don't

know. It is the British way. We are sorry that we do not know those things, but man, it just really, it genuinely makes me just want to watch Widows Bay all over again. And it's, if you haven't watched it yet, do yourself a flavor, man. It really is a show. It's already getting crazy Emmy nominations as it should.

It's, it's, I mean, it's so funny because I'm currently watching the bear as well, watching the new season of the bear. Have you been watching any of it? I think the problem is that I think I fell off on the previous season of the bear. Because it wasn't the previous season of the bear? Weren't we kind of like, this is not doing it for me? And I stopped. And now I'm like, and now I'm fucked because I have to catch up on previous bear to do current bear.

Yes. But everyone says that the last season is amazing. I'm enjoying it. I'm enjoying it very much. It's definitely, it's great because like you know these characters at this point so well that watching them go through this really is. It's like one of those. I haven't watched every episode yet. I think we're only like four or five episodes deep.

But this is the final season. And as of right now, it's all through. one day so it's kind of like doing a pit thing but not at all but like there I think that there's also other episodes where it's not necessarily during that day but

at first I was like oh don't do the pit like I don't want it for one day I want to see them grow but apparently you do you do okay okay yeah I yeah now I'm in a bear hole and whoa let me in there

and they're only ripping off my clothes. What do I do? You gotta get out of the bear hole. You gotta get out of the bare hole and you gotta get into, man, I talk about it on Jackie's book club, so I apologize, but the contact juggling video hole, I have lost some time, MJ, because I saw a random factoid that was talking about Jarrett from Labyrinth, yes, the David Bowie character. And when he, you know the ball in Labyrinth that he uses that, the magic ball. That's not magic. It's contact juggling. It's actually a way in which you contact juggle. And I always thought

that David Bowie learned how to contact juggle. He did not. Actually, it is all done practically that his, it was, they showed his head right in front of the body of like famed contact jugglist. I can't remember his name right now. I'll look it up in a second. But like, so he, like the guy that like essentially invented contact juggling was the one doing his arms. And it was just David Bowie's head. Like the improv game where somebody's behind you. Yes.

Yes. Yes. Like on whose line is it anyway. Yes. And those were always my favorite ones. Or like in Sesame Street where they would have the dog and then the dog would have like the Weimer Honor would be there and be like, oh, I'm a king. and then they would just like pretend to be a king with the arms. And so it was, that's what they did with it.

And I was like, man, that's crazy. And I had recently watched a YouTube video of some guy that was like buying stuff off the internet to see if it worked. And he bought contact juggling balls. And he's like, this is crazy. You're supposed to like, you have to like learn. It's like, yeah, they're not magic balls. You have to learn the concept of how to contact. juggle, which is very difficult.

But then I really lost myself in watching a lot of contact juggling videos. You know, I come from a family of jugglers, but I don't know contact jugglers. Contact jugglers, though? Not contact jugglers, but I juggle. My husband juggles, my brother juggles and my dad juggles. Well, I just jiggle, jiggle, jiggle, jiggle, jiggle, jiggle, jiggle, jiggle. It was my fat. I was jiggling my fat.

What do you juggle? Juggle. I just juggle balls. But my Very clueless moment My doctor said I can't play any sport Where balls might fly at my face There goes your social life

I juggle balls But my husband can juggle flaming torches And in fact is practicing juggling flaming torches Gideon videos when We're we need content And I'd love to see it Yeah, he can do bowling pins, but the flaming torches are... He can do bowling pins? They're so heavy!

Well, not bowling pins, you know, like they look like bowling pins. Oh, okay. Clubs, I guess you call him. But, yeah, he can do... What are they raven? Oons, oonts, oints. He is from the 80s, and back then they had... We're both from the 80s. I hate to bring that up. MJ. He's from the 70s.

I think he's young. He grew up in the 80s, and he went to a camp that was a competitive. computer clown camp where half of the time they learned how to use you know early computers How do we don't know? How might just round them up and we'll just shove them in one place? They're all weirdos and put them together

I guess. Like these dorks like computers and juggling. They must love juggling, I guess. Yeah, so he learned like Doss and he learned how to juggle fire. He learned about a floppy disk and then he learned out of fucking throw some shit in the air

And I bet, oh man, when he came home, the mother was just like, I'm so glad I spent money on this. And then I'm going to get it wrong because I am a child of the, I grew up in the 90s. But he started like an early online message board called the snake pit, really bringing it back to the beginning because he was a snake guy. And then someone he's going to turn into, yeah. And then someone called, I believe, he's home. I hope if I get it wrong, he'll come and correct me. Someone named the viper, a hacker named the viper, seized the snake. snake pit from him.

Took his eggs? Took it. Took the snake pit. And it was like his proudest creation. It was like devastating for him because the snake pit got hacked by Viper. Viper comes in, man. Vipas be viping, dude. Viper has never been caught to this day.

Whoa. We got to find the vibe, dude. We got to go out there. We got to bring the snake pit back. Bring it back. Bring his eggs home. Yeah. This was like in the days when it was like asterisks.

You know, like it was like an asky message for it called the snake pit. Whoa. And was it just pictures of juggling pins in the snake pit? Or were there pictures of snakes in there? Or was it DOS means? I don't even know if there was pictures, Jackie. It was very early. I don't know.

I feel like if my head was all zeros and ones. Yeah. I don't know. I just imagined that I'd be like, yeah, did you juggle today? Yeah, I juggled today. whoa, cool, L-O-L-L-B-R-B. And then it was just like that. Was that all it was?

I'm texting him, what content was in the snake pit using a very 2026 word to describe the very 1890s message board. Bring it back. We're going to see if we can find out in the next few minutes. Oh, please, here is to hope in, y'all. Now, yeah, I'm sorry that you haven't sold me necessarily on evil yet. I do want to, I apologize. It's really.

It is a show from four years ago, and I understand that you're like, why are you watching a show from four years ago instead of watching any of the many shows? What are you talking about? You bringing up evil, the evil naters coming out of the woodwork was crazy. I expect, I love you, MJ. I'm going to say it. Oftentimes you'll bring up something that's cozy or something, and then people are like, yeah. Nobody else. Nobody else.

We really support you, MJ. You know, it's like we hear that. But evil really got a lot of people churned. Yeah, yeah, no, evil were, yeah, I've also realized this last night as my kids were watching, they're doing Annie at camp right now. So we watched, we watched original Annie, we watched 2014 Annie, and then that led us to 1990s Little Rascals. And then I was like, kids, can I show you the 1920s little rascals? And they were like, no. And I was like, too bad.

And I like took the remote and I paid them. Too bad, yeah. And that's when I realized I was like, I really, I mean, this was a joke in our live show. I was like, why do I host a pop culture podcast? I exclusively like things from the 1950s. And then here I am like playing comedy shorts from the 1930s. And I was like, I've, no one wants this. No one likes this.

My children don't want it. I don't know why this is the culture that really animates me. It speaks to you. Yeah. But we all contain multitudes, MJ. It's because you also do listen to some current things. You know, there are, you are dragged into the current zeitgeist by us. Yeah.

And, you know, by being around kids. And I think that they, you know, while we might not have the same zeitgeist, it is good to know about what your kids are getting into, you know? Yeah, I mean, that's, yeah, if you want to know about, like, cutting squishies open, which is all the, all the young people. What happens on the inside of it? I mean, honestly, we were kind of doing that with the satellite wafers earlier this week. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, that's hot content on YouTube. Cut the satellite wafers open and you'll go viral instantly. But I also, I know we're just about to end the show. I got to say the head scratcher of the week is Karamo and Jesse Smollett. You know, I don't have any insight, but I just want to shut that up. I have no insight. I did let, I did literally say maybe this is part of the problems he was having a queer eye. I am surprised by it. I am.

For someone who became famous for his exquisite way to articulate like emotionally, intelligence and emotional growth to people who hadn't had those conversations before. Like to end up with Jesse Smollett, I was, I was like, what a, you know, did not have that on the bingo card, so to speak. No, but you know what I also didn't have on my bingo card? I needed to shout this movie out because friends of the network, John Early and Kate Burland put out a movie called Maddie's Secret. And I have to, have to, have to bring it up. It was, it's only, they are still showing it a very small, like it was a very small release of a movie.

And for those that are not familiar with John Early, John Early is to us, to like to anyone that was like working in comedy in New York, the key is an amazing character actor. He's someone that we worked with many, many times. He's also someone that also had like the characters special when Henry had the character special. So it was all of us like working on a bunch of shit together and making a bunch of weird shit and I'm so happy that he got the opportunity to make Maddie's secret, which is essentially a fully like going there Hallmark movie that he plays the lead woman in. And it's about her bulimia. And it's about like every time she like throws it. It's so melodramatic. But also. so fabulous. Like, it's not just doing the Hallmark tro-like, it is just a melodramatic, like, all of the actors like Eric Rahil, who plays Maddie's husband in it, is just this, like, loving, amazing one. And even though it is all so cartoonish, it is all done with such a melodrama, and it's so genuinely funny. They didn't play it. A lot of plays.

And it was so cool because we were able to see it at a fairly packed theater in LA. Because I think also, you know, lots of friends of them and stuff like that. And I'm so happy that this weird indie comedy got made that is so up. Like if you like Glass Podcast Network, if you like our kind of comedy, you will love Maddie's Secret. Of course, I imagine some people could get triggered. There is, you know, eating disorder. And it is making, but it's not making light of. it, but it is in, you know, overall because it is a melodrama. But as someone that I have

struggled with eating disorders, like, I, it was, I mean, I'm not saying that needs nobody will be triggered by it, but I'm just saying, it's so funny. It's just so funny. And it's like making the jokes about what almond moms essentially did to us in the 90s. Uh-huh. Okay. Yeah, that's wonderful. I love him and obviously I love Cape Relant. And it's always And Kristen Johnston plays Maddie's mother in it from Third Rock from the Sun. Oh, wow. Oh, my. It's just, it's delightful.

And I don't know if it's going to be easy for people to procure over. I'm sure it'll be streaming soon. But just look out for it. Again, it's Maddie's secret. Definitely give it a checkout because it's great. Okay. Yeah, it's always so fun to see the like the, not just the, people who were like around and you know early

it gives me Hannah Swenson vibes by the way because she's like she's a dishwasher at like a place that makes like viral food content and she's just like I'll never be I'm never going to be up there making the content where everyone else is like she's just like meeting their all like treating her horribly as like throwing dishes at her and like it's just it's so it's yeah it's Hannah Swenson vibes I'm just like oh this old fat like It just... But with, like, the most talented and, like, weirdest comedians, I just love it when the people who we were coming up with who were, like, the real weird ones are the, like, get to make

their really weird, cool stuff. Yes. And Kate Burlant and John Early working together, like, they... Them working together has always given me, like, a Me and Holden kind of vibe where you can tell they really bring out the extra weird in each other, and it's awesome. Oh, that's... Okay, that's... But it's, but it's, like, very, very, very limited release, right?

Yes. Okay. All right. But check it out if you can and look for it once it starts streaming. But also thank you everybody for joining us on this week's episode of Second Helpings. I hope that page seven filled you up this week. And if it ain't, I guess you're going to have to come on over to the Patreon to get a little bit more. Because we are about to finish season two of Wisteria Laniacs.

Yes, that is the Desperate Housewives Watchalong show that we do. over on our Patreon, and I got to say, man, this season is given. It is nuts. And I will say, did I call a portion of the slave storyline? Yes, I did. So, feel pretty good about that. And if you're upset to hear that, then let's just remind you, the show was made in 2006. 2006.

We are coming to realize that I think that this plotline would have been offensive in 2006. Yeah, I think that it is. And it also is really crazy, too, that a lot of conversation, too, are pretty on the Patreon of people finding it fascinating that they thought it was okay because they had Gabrielle, who was played by Ava Longoria, who was a person of color. They're like, oh, but it's okay if a person of color is being racist. And that was such a good point.

They make the one Latina, like main character, the most racist one. And that is such insight. And also, yes, so extremely early 2000s. What if we still used funny racist jokes and we made the Latina actress? It's hilarious because What? That one's racist. It's like one of those where you're just like, oh my God. Okay, guys.

This all white writing room. The racism goes in so many different directions. You just never know what you're going to get. Desperate Housewives watch along is absolutely. It really is the new Riverdale Roundup. And of course, also a Patreon, we've got our Buffy. Desperate Housewives is just to talk about. Buffy as we're actually watching Buffy.

And then, of course, there's Jackie's Book Club where you guys are on Book four of... Five. Dead is a doornail. Dead is a doornail. So come on, check it out. Thank you everybody so much for joining us this week. You can follow me on Instagram at Jack, that worm.

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