Page 7 - Second Helpings - Christ, Are You Calling Me?

Episode Date: March 13, 2026

MJ and Jackie are back for another scoop of Second Helpings, Jackie and Natalie couldn't find a good radio station in Dallas, but Travis sure knows the (contemporary christian alt rock) hits. MJ's lookin' 2 find god or at least a choir that doesn't JUDGE. The "Desperate Housewives" watch along is bringin' up memories of the college admissions scandal with plotline that is dead on the same, Felicity Huffman's kid is gonna be in "Rooster" with Apple Paltrow, and we can all watch Steve Carrel play a daddy character who must CHANGE...again.... Jackie and MJ finally watched THE Buffy episode and you can join the Patreon to see their real-time reactions PLUS a much needed talkback that happened right after!  The new reality show "Age of Attraction" has piqued the interest of both Jackie and MJ, and then we gotta talk about the Megxit that's beginning with Netflix and Meghan Markle. Jackie's keepin' up with “House of Villains”, at least until New York gets kicked, MJ's comin' around on Rob Rausch now that “Traitors” has ended and they've spent that time learnin' more about ol’ Snakeman and his Muscle Zaddy. Then it's goin' right from Birkin bags into the new Fukushima doc she just watched that she def recommends more than the other radioactive mess, “The Bride.” Ryan Gosling keeps derailing an interview about his new scifi movie "Project Hail Mary" 'cause the interviewer was trapped on the side of the road near what looked like Dr Evil’s volcano lair. More people need to be talking about Matthew McConaughey’s part in the interview where Timtim shoved his foot fully down his throat and how he just "yes and"ed him and Doja Cat just reveals she was just “virtue signaling” for “clicks, likes, and approval”. P!nk found out she was gettin' divorced from the tabloids, and to finish out this Second Helpings, Donna Kelce is going through a...HOME RENOVATION!! Plus even more! Want even more Page 7? Support us on Patreon! Patreon.com/Page7Podcast Subscribe to SiriusXM Podcasts+ to listen to new episodes of Page 7 ad-free.Start a free trial now on Apple Podcasts or by visiting siriusxm.com/podcastsplus. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Yeah, some days you gotta put a little bit of stand on it. And maybe it's because I almost started singing the talk and TV songs. So, you know, it's funny when you think about your brain as a Rolodex, you know? Yeah. And it's like sometimes you just flip it open to the wrong thing and you're just like, what year do you think it is, Jackie? Yeah, yeah. Well, and we do a lot of group singing.

And I said this to you this week when we recorded the wisteria laniacs, which is our new $5-dollar tier Patreon show where we watch Desperate Housewives and discuss it. Check it out. We have a lot of fun. Jackie and I rewrote the opening, it was mostly Jackie,

rewrote the opening theme from Animaniacs to be about Desperate Housewives and we sing it at the start of the show and it is doing more for me than my recently debuted well-bue Trent. There is something about singing a song with a friend where I said, I think I need to do more group singing,

to which Jackie said, That's what choirs for. That's what choirs for? But what about, what about, what about me, Jackie? I was always the worst singer in choir. I can't dig up those traumatic memories. I was always a, you know, it's like always a bride's made never a bride, but for singing. No, no.

It's true. MJC. This is why I wish I could bring you just for our, all of my girls that did choir with me. We decided because all of us have been too busy to do choir, that we're going to do the little like summer session like we did last year. We're going to start a barberset quartet with just the just the group of you. Oh, do I want to so desperately? Because the four of, it's four of us and we all had the different parts.

Jackie. So we really could. MJ, do you realize that now every time the four of us get dinner at some point, we start to sing. Oh, we start. Yes, we started. I was like, uh-oh, we are becoming. the Lady Gaga of NYU, of like, of noho, of all of the, like, the mid-priced restaurants in our area are hearing us sing Ella, Ella, A, A, A, A, Adda my umbrella, Ella, Ella, Ella.

You know, we have to work on these things. If you're at a place where you can get a $20 meal, you are going to hear some ladies singing. Especially if there's a happy hour. Oh, and it's going to be early singing. You're damn right. going to be early singing, we got to get that happy hour deal. I love this for you guys. But yes, you are going to do, you're going to do summer choir, which I think is great because we all need a guiding light in the chaos of summer. In the chaos of summer. But I do think that you, I'm going to

get you into something. It's like, this is the problem. You need to go to a choir where they don't judge you. And I know that a lot of people have written in because they're like, we want a choir like you have Jackie where people don't judge you. The problem is, I'm not going to say the problem is, I do know that a lot of people have found that with like their church choirs where it's not as much. But like how do you do it without the church part? Right. How do we do the acceptance of the church part? I, all of my choir experience almost exclusively, despite being in choir in public school and being in a secular non-religious choir, almost all of the songs I ever sang in a choir were extremely religious Christian songs.

And you know what? I loved them. Loved them. So maybe I should just join a church. Maybe that's, I don't need well, Butron. I need to join a church community. Oh, you need God. That's what you need. Oh, my.

Uh-oh. All right, guys, it's becoming. We need to step in. All right, everyone. Everyone's talking about the world is on fire and all the various indicators about how bad things are. Me considering joining a church. But that is, you know, I've always been a little bit God curious because I was. Well, you like.

the music though. I love the music. I like the story. You love it. You do. And it was funny because neither one of us know anything about any of it. And we're just like all those bedtime stories that some people believe in. It was funny over the weekend when we were in Dallas. We couldn't get like our Bluetooth to work at the rental car. So we were listening to Dallas radio stations. And we were joking around how it was difficult to find one that wasn't pop country or like a God station. And Travis put one on and he's like, this isn't either one. And And obviously these people were like, praise him. He is king.

He is the king of the world. And we're like, who do you think they're talking about, Travis? Who do you think you're talking about in this song? Who do you think that he is? This song is just about admiring someone. It's just admiring somebody that you really like. That like to you is like the king of your world. And like, isn't that awesome?

Is it just a pro man song, Travis? Well, you know, it's like how in A, A, they want you to find a higher power and the higher power doesn't have to be God. It doesn't have to be, yes. Perhaps Travis was just experiencing the Christian rock as like, this is just about a higher power. A higher power. He's just never thought of a higher power for it. So he's just like, whoa, that's crazy. They put this created person up on a pedestal.

It's like, yeah, do we need to talk about organized religion right now? But we didn't. We continued on. And it was difficult for us to find a good radio. station. I'll bet there's great. You know, there's, you got to find the college radio, man. We, me and my brother discovered a show

called Upbeats and Beat Downs in the late 90s and it was like the I want to say it was out of University of Wisconsin Platteville. Any Northeast Iowans? Can you confirm? And it was, it was the first. Northeast Iowans can you come on guys. I know you're all

listening to us. I know you're out there. Okay, I know you're out there. And it was the first place. The first song I ever heard on that station was punk rock girl. And the second song I ever heard on that station was the, a punk cover of Ferry Tale of New York by, I think that's no use for a name. But I, that was my introduction to punk. And it completely changed my life. And I'm sure that there's still college radio stations out there that are doing that, right?

Oh, the college. Oh, yeah. They're still out there. I mean, the college radio at. Florida State. They were a bunch of our friends and I loved going over to the radio station. The problem is that we weren't, to be fair, I'm not saying that this about Dallas. We were not in Dallas. We were outside of Dallas. So it was more of like what we were getting, like we were hitting the track and what was actually coming up. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. I remember also discovering

the drive from, we, Gideon and I used to go on a weekly like an annual trip to Outer Banks and North Carolina. And there was like, we discovered, I think all through Virginia, Virginia listeners, please sound off a station called Bob FM. And man, Bob FM, you know sometimes when you're on a road trip and you just find that perfect station. Oh, yes. Oh, yes. Bob FM, it was just like the most perfect road trip music of like 80s hits. And there was like some, some rock and some, you know, some ballads and some 90s pop. And I was just like, this is the perfect. radio station. And I also am thinking about getting rid of Spotify because it's evil and everything. But I honestly like really miss driving around and discovering songs on the radio that way.

I know. I know. I love it. And I know that Spotify makes your lists for you to discover and whatnot. But for some reason, it doesn't, it doesn't resonate. It doesn't hit the same, you know? It's the beauty of the radio. I think it is like, it's what I've always loved. It's why I do what we do here. it's because I wanted to be Delilah. I wanted to be on the radio. I've always wanted to be able to connect. I wanted like a nightly show where I would connect with people. I want to be a Wendy Williams, even though, you know, not all of it.

Just the first part of the career side of things. But I remember the first time I was ever introduced to coast to coast. And it was on a all night road trip, like when I was in college and finding out. And I mean, this explains everything of all of the work that we do. And just coast to coast, change my brain. Yeah. And I so zoned into it because this was before a world of podcasts. Right.

And it's like that. And I didn't know that I could get so sucked into a radio show. Yeah. And obviously, radio shows have been sucking people in since the beginning of time. I'm just saying, for me personally, that was my outside of a Delilah, that was my first time being like, oh, I would love to do something like this. Totally. I think, yeah, and I think what it is, it's like I miss kind of like stumbling upon things.

And I often wonder for like youth culture now, like, how does one stumble upon things? And I'm sure that there's still, you learn things from your friends and you hear, you know, but like, yeah, I just feel like there was like, for me, a big part of my like cultural, like, formation was like just stumbling upon things in the car on the radio or stumbling upon things on the TV or whatever. And what are the, yeah, I miss cable because I feel like now I have to like have a plan for what I'm going to watch. And if I open Spotify, I have to have a plan, I have to have a plan for what I'm going to

listen to. And, yeah, I don't know. I just. It's too much planning for you. Yeah, I can't. No, it's too much. It's too much. But you know, it's just much too much.

What's not too much planning for Felicity Hoffman and William H. Macy's daughter, who is in a show. And so, you know what? just need to talk about this because we've been talking a lot about Felicity Huffman on Desper Housewives. We have that. You may remember Felicity Huffman from the college admissions scandal with Lori Loughlin and Becky. Which we bring up over on Wisteria Lady.

I'm obsessed with it because now that we're watching Desperer Housewives, I realize how incredibly funny it is that Felicity Huffman was brought into this, put herself into this scandal, brought into it via her own choices because it is an extreme desperate housewives plot to lie to get your kid into. a good school is. Literally a season one desperate desperate housewives storyline. Like I'm not even saying, oh, it feels like a desperate housewives plot. It's literally a desperate housewives plot. And then she just did it with her actual child. And you know what?

Also very interesting, which we bring up, did we bring this up on Mike or after mic that we were talking about like, but William H. Macy never got. I feel like he's never included in the college. It's always like, but what Felicity Hoffman did. Like, they're married. Yeah, my mom, I was talking about this with my mom, and my mom was like, I don't. And she was like, you know, they never blame William H. Macy. They always blame Felicity H. M.

And I was like, that's true. Why hasn't William H. Macy had any career fallout? And then I was thinking, yeah, Jackie and I were like, maybe Felicity Huffman made this choice without telling William H. Macy. All the choices. I just did it. And he was just like, what's going on? Or maybe he's pretending that he didn't know. And he's like going to let Felicity Huffman.

Weaponized incompetence, okay. Yeah, a fall on the sword. And it was, you know, the college admission scandal was pretty bad. If I remember correctly, I think Felicity Huffman's mistake, fatal, fatal flaw was, I think she paid somebody else to do the test scores from those kids. Okay. MJ, she paid for the test scores for those children, but she paid for them. She didn't steal them. You know, this was a business deal.

Yeah. And I just think that it's so funny that after. After all of that, their kid is in this new show Rooster. And of course, she's not the only Nepo baby in it because also Apple Martin is there. But special shout out to Felicity Huffman's Child, who seems to have come out of the college admission scandal just fine, landing in this show that neither Jackie or I is especially interested in. Can I just say, MJ, I've watched the trailer again for this show rooster. This show has an insane cast. I know.

And the trailer like looks like, it's like the way that HBO could present a trailer, they can make anything look good. You know, like, I'm like, do I want, and then I watch it. I'm like, I don't know if I want to watch this. I have no desire. And like Steve Corel, he, he's looking great. Yeah, oh, dad. I'm not saying he's not looking great.

A great development. I love, at first I was like, oh, yay, the four seasons is back because I really like four seasons. But that's a Netflix vehicle, I think. And this is an HBO Go. but both involve daddy HBO go. Wow, this is also like a good therolodex

Sorry, HBO Max. The kids call it Hobo Max. I don't know why my brain went back to it. Hobo Max. You can call it Obo Max if you want. You're a little safe space. Yes. Yeah, my brain unearthed HBO go.

But yeah, I think that why is Apple Martin there? Why is she there? Why is Flissie Hopkins' daughter there? talking about it. But it's also apparently a blink and you'll miss it cameo. So I can't, it is funny that there's even articles written about it because that's Apple Martin's life. She's like an extra in the trailer. And there's a onslaught of articles written about it. And as Jackie

said, that's why there's been so much Apple Martin PR lately about how she's actually not a bully and she actually wasn't expelled from school for bullying. And she's actually not a mean girl. because apparently she has a minuscule role in this new show, Rooster. Or Lord knows, is it going to become a bigger role? Is that why they're talking about it? I don't know because I'm going to say it. I don't think I'm going to watch the show. Yeah.

It's a half an hour show and I still can't. I've almost watched it, I think, three times this week. And I'm just like, ugh. Steve Corell is playing a writer who is invited to speak on a university campus talking about his book series. And during in the trailer, you see during the lecture, Sophia Macy, who is Felicity Hoffman and William H. Macy's daughter, accuses him of being a misogynist for his depiction of women. And there is where that is where our romp begins. And honestly, just from that, I'm like, I don't want this. I don't want whatever this is going to be. You don't want to watch him change.

MJ, but we could have the opportunity to watch him change. And I don't want to, I, I, I, I, I might be totally overstepping because we haven't seen this show yet, but I do. We haven't seen it because we're not going to see it. So maybe we shouldn't be making fun of it. But here we are making fun of it. There's a lot of, I feel like in our culture right now, there's a lot of this actually literally happened in four seasons, which is Steve Correll's other recent, you know, elder's daddy Steve Correll project.

I forgot that Steve Carell was also in four seasons. That's why you keep thinking it's four seasons. That's why I keep thinking it's four seasons. I thought it totally was just the same, but I forgot it's also Steve Correll. And that was last year because I remember. I remember I couldn't watch it because it was right after everything with my dad. Yeah, yeah. That just came out.

Yeah. So it makes sense of why you thought this was four seasons too. And also a second season of four seasons is also coming. No, it's not. Also. I swear to God, was I hallucinating when I saw a trailer for it? But four seasons like this, it's not like the premise is like poking fun at like woke college students. But there's just a lot of poking fun at woke college students.

culture right now, and I don't find it especially compelling. I feel like college students are quite often on the right side of things. And I just, you know, I don't know, maybe Rooster will be fine. I love exploring generational differences. Yeah, four seasons, season, season two. I don't even know how that's going to happen. I don't know. But I do know that speaking of exploring different generations, I'm going to throw it out there just because I had brought it up at the end of the last episode. I want everyone to know that MJ and I have watched season six, episode 19 of Buffy now. And if you were wondering if we ended up having to record a full 20 minute talkback of our rage, the answer is yes. And it is going to be posted right after, like literally

five minutes after the episode drops because I wish that we could talk about it right now. But we're not trying to ruin Buffy for anyone and we want you to watch along with us with Buffy. But we have thoughts. Yeah. Yeah. On what happened in the episode. Yeah. There's a very specific episode that if you were a Buffy watcher, even if you're not on our Patreon, I'm sure you might, if you watched the whole thing, I'm sure you remember that season six.

And yeah, then it led to me and Jackie having a 20-minute talk back. about rape culture and film. And, you know, we don't have to have that talk now. But if you're a patron, you'll get it later. And have I been thinking about it ever since? Yes, I have been. And have I been noticing so much as a part of media? Because MJ, while I was stonidly watching Buffy and so upset about what was happening,

MJ and I did end up getting into a very fascinating conversation, I feel. But then I think, does that mean that I can't watch age of attraction? Oh, I want to watch age of... Reality show. That's unrelated, okay? I don't think that we could drag age of attraction into rape culture. I feel like we're talking about two different things here. This is a bunch of consenting adults of a wide variety of ages.

And is that so wrong? A large 40-year variety of ages betwixt them. And is that so wrong? Okay, not 40 years exactly. 22, ages 22 to 60. It's a love is blind, but with olds. It's love is blind, but with olds, but it's love is blind. But some of them are young.

And some of them are old. 22 is too young. If you are too young to rent a car, you are too young to go on a reality show. Don't, your frontal, prefrontal cortex is not developed enough to make this decision. And if you're 60, you need to go back in time and make different life choices so that you are not contemplating going on a reality show. On Netflix specifically. Yeah.

And should open a 22. Well, but also the best part is that they don't know. It's a surprise. It's like Milf Manor when they didn't know it was going to be their mothers. It is a surprise. A surprise that it's a wide variety of ages. Oh, guess what? You're 23 and you might be talking to a 59-year-old.

Have fun. I'm already annoyed because one of the people, like, when they find out it's about ages, she's like, this is good. I don't want to fit in a box. But does it matter how old I am. It does. It does. You know what I'm going to say?

It does matter how old you are. You know why? Life experience. You know why? It's just like many, many factors. Many factors come in with age. You're right. You don't, you shouldn't hear someone's age and then make a bunch of assumptions.

I get that. For sure. Everybody's age is different. We all have different life journeys. I understand. But I love. I love, I really do wish that I could apply for a reality dating show just to try to guess what fucked up twist they're going to have that's going to make me be like, what life am I leading?

Yeah, yeah. I mean, listen, I'm coming at this with an age gap relationship. There was like a big, what outlet was it? There was like a big like photo essay deep dive into like age gap relationships recently and I just kept insisting that I should have been a part of it. And I was like, why didn't they interview me in Kenyah? Put me in. Like, and so I'm totally not going to judge an age gap, but it is an extremely. extremely young person thing to say this is something that, and I say this with love, without judgment.

When I was 22, I also was like, why does age matter? Age is just a number. And it is unfortunately because older men who want to date younger women have a problem, you know, generally speaking. And like I'm talking much older and much younger. Yes. It always makes me think of that Nikki Glazer. Hold it always brings up this Nikki Glazer bit that is essentially like all older men that date really young women, they try to be like, but they're old souls. You don't understand their old souls. And that it's just like, why is it always the old souls inside of these young, young women that these men are fine. It's obviously she doesn't much funnier than that, but it is funny of like, it's like, no, no, no, they're just an old soul.

So it's okay. Yeah, no. If you have to like defend the maturity level of your partner because of the number that is their age, you have gotten yourself into a tricky situation. Tricky, tricky situation. And we've talked about this so many times, but the whole idea of love is blind was that it was supposed to be a big range, not of age, but of hotness. Beauty standards, yes. And they did not ever do that. It's just all hot people.

Sometimes it's hot people of slightly different sizes. Slight. And those women who are on the slightly different size and get a horrific, horrific experience out of it. And everyone just keeps talking about like how brave they are, you know, for being out in public with their body. And I feel like love is blind. You know, they really failed. They did not understand the assignment. And now they're like, well, what if we make it the same thing but just much creepier, like upsetting levels of creepy?

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry. And also speaking of, it is, the comments are really all over the place on this article that I sent. but I just love, I'm in my 60s and I can see the allure of younger women. But there's no way I'm going to go do things like stay up past 9 p.m. Go out to a club or get down on the ground without a rock solid plan to get back up.

Or get on the crowd without a wrong solid plan to get back up is very funny. And also, I mean, I know there is like a Milf Manor. I mean, if you want to watch young men dating older women, again, may I point you towards Milf Manor? But like also, if a 23-year-old man gets paired with a woman in her mid-50s, maybe he'll be excited. But what's likely to happen is that that woman is going to be horrifically insulted and portrayed as an absolutely disgusting person just for daring to still be alive, you know, which is like

the general attitude towards women over the age of 26 in our society. And so— How dare they be allowed to leave the house? Yes. Yeah. Like, this is— upset just to be looking at you and contemplating you. So, I mean, obviously, I'm going to watch it. Yeah, I'm going to watch it. You know, I'm going to watch it. I need to see at least like the

beginning of these shit shows. Like, love is blind at this point. I can't keep doing it. I can't. But I can definitely start a new one that could maybe potentially upset me just as much as love is blind. Yeah, that's the thing. You know, it's like we love Milf Manor over here. We're not against a stupid reality show. But we have collectively decided that there's just been too many specific harms done by Love is Blind. People are still picking up the wreckages of their life after Love is Blind that I cannot enjoy it anymore. But while we're on Netflix news, oh my God, we've got to talk about the Brexit of Megan Markle. Oh, she getting the boot. It is talk about the Megxit of the The Megs Century.

There you go. It's a exit. The exit is beginning. And we knew we watched it happen with Spotify. We knew it was going to happen with Netflix. Netflix exits. Megan Markle's $64-cented candle business. Megan's passion for elevating everyday moments in beautiful yet simple ways

inspired the creation of the as-ever brand. And we are glad to have played a role in bringing that vision to life. As it was always intended, and will continue growing the brand and take it into its next chapter independently. And we look forward to celebrating how she continues to bring joy to households around the world. Oh, sounds like fancy letters for a bitch. Get the fuck away from me. We don't want to sell your candles anymore.

I thought As Ever was also in the tank, but I guess it's still going. But yeah, that is definitely like how you break up with someone to be like, but you've got all these other projects. It did exit as a partner for As Ever. imagine where are they going to get the money from. Yeah. So I'm assuming that that does mean that it is the end for as ever as well. And listen, we read Prince Harry's book, God help us. We did it.

And it actually. Oh, I'm sorry. Are you thinking about Mother Africa right now through the lens of Prince Harry? All 14 hours of him ruminating on how much he feels at home in Africa. In Africa. Well, never once using the word colonization. But it actually, it actually did make me feel for them because, you know, his family, his terrible family cut him off, cut off his security detail.

And he's obviously still Prince Harry. And so he was like, I need to figure out how to afford a security detail. And that actually did give me much more compassion for like their desperate attempt to make money. and we have also tried to listen and take the note about how people, some people really like Megan Markle. And, you know, so we have tried to do a little bit less shooting on her except for the jams. But as we discussed with the Spotify deal, it's just like, I don't know, if you're going to have one job, do the one job. Do it. Just do it with all of your capacity then, you know?

Yeah. Yeah. And I just, to be a kind of like, to be like a couple where both of your thing is like, like, not. either of you have a job and you just kind of like keep like trying out projects. Like, you know, we all love to try out projects like that. That's great. Sure. We're always trying to see what spaghetti hits the wall.

Yes. I get it. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. But yeah, there's just a kind of a funny combination here of like pretentiousness and excessive wealth and consistent lack of ability to actually execute a successful project that is all coming together here. Yes.

And this is all also, this is about seven months after Netflix had already downgraded Markle's production deal from an overall deal to a first look, which is essentially like saying, we're going to make all these projects, we're going to do all this stuff, and turned it into a teaser trailer and stuff. Just like a, no, we are just showing what people could have gotten. But what they're not going to get is now essentially what that is. Yeah. Yeah.

Man, and I also, I know I, the, the, like, Warner Brothers merger is like to, you know, like sad and complicated to talk about here. It's, like, not fun enough. But I don't know. I feel this, like, pretty strong impending sense of doom about what is going to happen to, you know, culture and movies and television and all of that. So you don't think that monopolization is a good thing. Yeah, yeah. And I know that, you know, Netflix is like trying to, you know, keep making things and everything, and I'm glad for them. But yeah. It's almost like we're losing hope. Yeah. Yeah. But we can't lose hope because we've got each other. Everything's going to be fine. And unfortunately, you won't be able to buy the $64-scented candles for much longer. I mean, there's still, you can still buy them. If you need that $64. dollar candle. You can definitely go buy it on as ever.

The website. The website is still there. Oh, it's just, ooh, the aesthetic of it just makes me so bad. But that's not her fault. That's my, that's a B problem. There's honey. Is it a you problem? Is it? The heritage library set appears to be four jars of honey and a candle, and it's $174. Yeah, MJ, it says it's essentials for slower moments. And that's why you slowly pay for the $174 of the two jars of honey and a candle. The complete as ever pantry for only $295, you can get... It's on sale! You can get up six jars of honey and two candles.

So how about that for a deal? Wow, share with a friend. Hold that thought leather bookmark, a pause with intention. $20. $20. bookmark. I, you know, I do, I hate the bookmarks. The bookmarks weirdly make me the angriest.

One of the bookmarks just says, hold that thought. That angers me. Yeah. I'm upset about it. It is upsetting. And it's good to place our anger here. All right, guys, we can put our anger in many, many places. But might I introduce you to just looking at the as-ever website and being like,

who's buying this? Honestly, that's what, you know, what? You know what? That is what I, I miss, like, the time of my life when I was able to direct my anger towards just, like, some bitch that I hate follow it on Twitter, you know? Like, you know, we all need, like, some bitch that we hate for no reason, you know? And I, I. It does a body good.

We all have to have an enemy, whether that enemy knows they are your enemy or not. Totally. I talk about this. Choir Carol. You have to have an enemy. Yeah. You have to have an enemy to make sure you're always doing your best. It gives us meaning, you know.

And I just don't have that in my life anymore. So I guess that that is. You need meaning. Is this another cry for help? MJ, we hear you. Are you calling me? Jesus. Christ is that, will you offer me?

If you come back in here and you're a religious cellet, I swear MJ, I don't know if we're going to continue the podcast. Don't worry. I think that's the only thing you could do that would make me have to stop the podcast is if you became all of a sudden ultra religious. Yeah. No, don't worry. I've been, you know, I have, I do really try to open.

my mind and my heart to other perspectives, but I have been pretty consistently godless my entire life. So I don't think that you have to worry. That's why we get along, you know. That's why we watch shows like age of attraction. It's because we're godless and that's okay. Because it takes all kinds, MJ, right? Yeah. And that just dropped. So we are going to at least be able to jump into that because I've been trying, I'm keeping up with House of Villains. I'm watching House of Villains. I just and I love, I am enjoying it. It's just not striking the fancy that like the traitors does. It doesn't quite, House of Villains doesn't quite hit for me.

But the problem is with New York on it, I'll watch it because I love New York so much. Yeah. Yeah. And this is what happened last time, though, is I watch it until New York gets kicked off and then I stop watching it. Yeah. Yeah, I think that's fine. I also, yeah, this week I was like, there's no traders. What do I do with my life?

And I, yes, I have spent the last. week learning more about Rob Rausch and how he's just a perfect man. He has like a bunch of siblings who he's lovely with. He's got like a gay brother and a disabled sister and another sister who he's like, oh, we're so different personalities and we, you know, challenge each other. And he talks about his just lovely family. And I, I can't believe we've been blessed with such a good man in this timeline. I know. He's really a right spot in a dark time. I've seen like he did some interview. I forgot what late night show he was on. And it was like in a way they're like, all right, we're going to show you snakes. And we're going to see if you can guess what snake it is. And he's like, I'm really good at snakes.

So, all right. And he just like definitely very easily knew. But like you can tell that they were trying to be like, what's this snake? And it's like, he knows snakes. Yeah. He that man knows snakes. Oh, yeah. He's not. He's not. He's not. He's not. faking it. He cannot falter on snakes. He knows snakes. Yeah. And I think honestly, oh my God, have you seen his dad? No. No, I haven't. Oh, no. I just need to get your live response to this. I'm putting it in the chat. Yeah, no, I think that's... Oh, my God. God. Oh, my Jesus Christ. Well, of course, somebody that looks like that is going to make some of a thing that looks like that. Jesus Christ. Everybody please Google Rob Rauch's father There's a whole son article

Daddy's home Traders' fans are only just realizing Rob Rauch's father Robert Sr. is a total zaddy and silver king. Wow. And he... It doesn't surprise me that people were trying to like find out that he doesn't really know about snakes because I do feel like there's a lot of like

performatively being that type of guy and that was why I was so skeptical of him like, oh, oh, you're like a, you're an interesting man who like knows things about snakes and you like, he just is. And he just actually is. And like that's why he wanted to help his family. Like he wanted the money to help his family. Like with his siblings, everything. Also, they all have those same like gray, green eyes.

Good Lord. Handed down from the father. My God. Robert Sr. Good. Gravy. I'm just. Yeah.

It's a beautiful family. It's a beautiful family. It's a beautiful family. I just hope that Morah Higgins is doing okay. I've been thinking about her a lot because I really like her. She was the Irish one who was swindled. And now is celibate. Now is that she doesn't trust men to such an extreme.

Traumatized forever by Rob Roche. Through no fault of his own, he was just playing the game. But I do think that she also. He was just playing the game. I think she loved him because how could you not? She wanted to smooch him even though it was a platonic friendship. I think there's no question. How could you not?

I think everybody wanted to smooch him. That was why no one was able to identify him as a traitor. And I just hope that somebody who has, again, talk about this shattered pieces left after a reality show, basically her worst nightmare came true in the most, in a very well-watched episode where she was just shown to be completely naive and easily swindled. Completely with the wool pulled over.

But like you're trapped in it, man. And he literally had pinkies. swore and she was like, he pinky swore. He was like, because he had pinky swore that they were going to go through it to the end together. And here's the thing, he did. Yeah. They did go through it to the end together. Just not in the way that she wanted.

Yeah. Yeah. And she got a Birken bag out of it. And I also watched a really cute interview of Johnny Weir and Tara Lipinski. And apparently Tara Lipinski, because they all talked about Birkenbag so much, like, on set. And Johnny Weir, like, collects Burr. Birken bags. And so he brought Tara with him to one of those, I don't even know, like, do you go to a Birken store? Like, I don't know. Do they have a store? Like, wherever,

they went somewhere together. Where do you get a bag that cost $300,000? I have, I couldn't even possibly get Bloomingdale. Like, I don't know. Do you go to Blumies? Is that a Bloomingy's purchase? I don't know. The Lington Coat Factory? Cote Factory. Yeah. Like, do they ever have them at a Ross? Like, I'll get one that has like a stitch ripped out. I don't know. But I don't think that they do. And I, um, they went and then they ended up because Tara Pinsky was like, I can't imagine

ever spending that much money on a bag. Like that's just not me. And then they left with matching Birken bags. Oh, well. Like they got these like big ivory matching Birken bag and I'm just like, I'm torn because that is crazy, but also. It's cute, but also. And the same thing with him giving more of the bag.

I'm like, that is really cute. and also I am viscerally disgusted by the existence of this product, but, you know, whatever. But MJ, we can't, like, it's like, you think about it. It's like, I saw someone, I went to a wedding last year, and I saw someone and she had this, like, awesome silver, like, glitter dress on. She just, like, looks to kill. And then she had these, like, violet, yeah, a red bottom, but that also had these, like, silver spikes all over in these, like, Lou Baton shoes. And I know nothing about it. nothing. But I'd say, I saw the, the red bottom with mix and with the whole package and I was just like, wow. Yeah. Like, I forget that I'm a woman until I'm around. Not that I'm saying that that is the ultimate, like, of femininity. I mean, for me specifically when I, like, I look at someone that is just

such a majestic where it's like, no one would ever describe me as majestic. You know, it's like, that's not a way in which. So maybe it's not so much, like, like, feel. female like gender thing. It's just the idea of a beauty standard that you see the red bottoms and you and it's it's a class thing. It's like you know what that means. I know nothing but I know what that means. And I could respect the artistry of it too. I'm not disgusted by the by the existence of the Birkenbag. It's just what it represents with you know the of course spending that much money on an item and everything. But no, totally like like I have also I did end up talking to her and she did she got them at an estate sale and they happened to fit her.

And she's like, I didn't buy these. Wow. So these were old. And she's like, and I'm going to hold them until the day that I die. And I was like, I get you bitch. I was like, okay, you're my kind of bitch. All right. Okay.

I thought you were a woman that I would be terrified of talking to. No, no, no. Okay. That's cool. Yeah. And also, yeah, it's like those Lufitans look great. Like, they like that high fashion looks cool. I'm sure I've told the story of the show before, but we did a, in like, 2010,

there was a comedian scavenger. hunt at the creek. And me and John were on a team, me and my brother, and one of the items on the scavenger, I was all over the city, New York Citywide scavenger hunt. And we like met at the creek early in the day and we went out on a big scavenger hunt and then we came back at the end of the day and saw who won. And one of the items on the scavenger hunt was take a picture with something expensive. And so I, me and John went into the Gucci store. Oh my God. And I, it was summer. I'm sure I was wearing an A shirt and cut off shorts. And I was like, hello, I would like to try on your fanciest dress.

And I tried on a $7,000 dress. I like in this, your dress as Mr. Peanut, like in this vision. Yeah, it's like me on the shoulders with a trench coat, even though we're both adults for some reason. Yeah. And so I was like, I cannot believe they let me in that store. Like, again, we probably smelled like whiskey. You know, we were like so. gross and grungy and I tried on a $7,000 dress and got a picture with it with the price tag.

But like, man, that dress, it is like entering a different universe. It felt different. It felt, different. It's different. And it looked great. And it just felt different. And I was like, oh, I guess there is a reason why sometimes people do want to spend more than $10 on clothes. And, like, I guess that's good. Like, I'm not against it. I just want, I want everybody to have a $7,000 our Gucci dress, you know? I know. Burkin bags for all. Just to feel the difference, you know, just to feel it.

Yeah. And it is, but it is crazy, though, no matter what, like, even as I just said, just to feel it, like, I've never felt a burkin bag before. Yeah. But I imagine it feels like every other purse. I don't know. The Gucci dress literally felt different. It feels different.

And it's like, it's the way in which is, it's, you're right, it does, it all feels different. Like, it, like, it felt different on my body. I'm not even talking about the fabric. It was like I became a different person when I put on the dress. I just like that this shows how MJ and I were raised where I'm just like, it can't be that much better. And it's like, but it is.

And we all know it is that much better. And we're never going to know. And it's not for us to know. I've never touched a fabric like this in my life. We're not the Mara Higgins of this world, MJ. All right. We knew that a long time ago. Yeah.

And that's okay. It takes all kinds. Yeah. No, that's okay. And I guess now Tara Lipinski has gone from a person who would never to a person who would. And who would enjoy the journey. I guess it's also, I don't think in this instance that Johnny Weir was intimating that he purchased the bag, but if someone's going to buy me the bag.

Yeah. I mean, I'm not going to say no to the bag. I mean, I'd rather also be like, could you give me the money so I could save it? Okay, if that's not the answer, sure, I'll take the bag. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I just, you know, my selective hypocrisy, I was just so.

charmed by Johnny Weir that I'm not at all mad at him for collecting burgham bags. He could do whatever he wants. He's great. He's, it was essentially the same thing in the interview of just like, it's hard being an Olympian. Yeah, it's like, well, get those burger bags, babe. I guess that's what you mean. Treat yourself.

And you know what? It's also, it's hard out here for a Fukushima documentary. Yeah, this is what I'm pivoting into. I have to talk about this, MJ. Okay. I have to, I have to bring it up. Fukushima. a nuclear nightmare.

Nuclear nightmare. Yes. A nuclear nightmare. Are we sure we want to talk about? Right from broken bags into Fukushima. That's usually the transition. That's when you hear that. You're like, oh, let's talk about Fukushima.

I have to talk about it, MJ, because I didn't know as much about what happened during the natural disaster that happened to Fukushima and what ended up happening in the days afterwards. Man, me neither. And I have no excuse. fully an adult online. I know. It was 2011, 15 years ago. Literally, yesterday was the 15th anniversary of the earthquake.

And so that is why this show dropped on HBO. It's a documentary. And because it's in 2011, the amount of footage that there is of all of everything that happened is insane. Because the TLDR, for those of you that are. are not familiar quite with Fukushima, essentially what happened was a major earthquake happened offshore, which created a 40-foot tsunami.

And I didn't quite understand, as someone that is, I am terrified of tsunami, that is truly up there with a worst fear of mine, you don't realize how big and how devastating, even just that alone of a 40-foot tsunami and what and the, like, you are dead. Like, you're just debt.

It just comes through and destroys everything. And then after that, you find out that the huge nuclear power plant that is on the water, nobody ever put the money in to build the seawall high enough, even though they're on the water. Right. where earthquakes happen often, where tsunamis happen, where the word tsunami comes from, is because they happen there. Yeah, this does seem like an anticipatable problem.

And so the wall was only built to cover 20 foot waves, not 40 foot waves, but here's the thing, MJ. They also could have set up the nuclear facility to have maybe all of the electrical equipment, maybe all of it could be waterproofed or inside of waterproof containers. Sure. Or if anything could have been waterproofed, nothing was. And they knew that there were all of these problems. And it's like all about not wanting to spend the money on it. Listen, we all put off an important thing on our to-do list sometimes, Jackie.

You know, we know we have to do it. We know bad things happen if we don't do it. If it's waterproofing the nuclear power plant, you should raise it. to the top of your list. Because not only, like, you brought up Chernobyl, but that was with one reactor. This is four. Wow. This is four of them.

And they need to have, and they're like pumping it. And then there was the Fukushima 50 is what they called them in America, because in America, they were heralded as these heroes because if they hadn't kept going, millions, millions, millions, rather than the 20, thousand that died. It would have been millions and they were treated like in America, in our media, they were treated like heroes, but they were treated like that they should be ashamed of themselves for them getting to that point that like, but it wasn't the scientists that were doing it. It wasn't them. Sorry, this is why I had to scream about all of this because I was like,

this is insane and I couldn't believe that I never really read about it or looked into it. And I, this documentary was just like, what a huge talk about a catastrophe at the greatest level of the word catastrophe. Wow. Wow. And it could have been even worse. And it's so crazy that like, and I feel so bad that like these people that did so much and they feel so much shame for having had to be there in the first place that it.

got to that point. Uh-huh. Oh, my God, MJ. It's, it, I may have, I don't know if it's like, oh, well, you just ruined it, but it's like, the footage alone. Yeah, no, I don't think, documentaries aren't like, I'm not like, spoiler alert for a real life. Except for Deer Zachary. That's the only one that I ever try to not ruin for people, because that one really

unfolds. But, um, Fukushima, though, I guess everybody already knew. And I'm glad that Jeff encouraged me to watch it because Jeff really, he, he, you, One of his specialties is he gets very interested in nuclear disasters. So he had known a lot about this, but the footage was really compelling. I'm glad somebody is interested in nuclear disasters because it is a huge mental no for me. And it's because it's so scary, obviously. But like, yeah, when Chernobyl, the show came out and everybody was watching Chernobyl and everybody loved it.

And I was like, I can't. I'm too scared. and I don't want to. Yeah, but then you wouldn't have a backstock of iodine like I have. I have so much iodine. And the thing is, eventually the iodine's going to go bad. I'm just going to have to throw it out and I'm going to have to get more iodine. But, yeah, I'm going to have it for now.

Yeah. Yeah, and I mean, Stell and Scars are going to be there. We're nowhere near a new, you're not near one. We're not near one. Yeah. Well, we're kind of near one. We're near one enough that it would be a problem. Yeah, it's going to be a problem.

But Jeff talks about it all the time that hopefully, You know, we talk about preparedness and disasters, probably too much. But it's because I have anxiety. Yeah. And it's because he's on the spectrum. And together, we can worry about anything, but he can find out the information. Yeah. And it's great.

Yeah. Fukushima, everybody. Everybody. Yeah. It's crazy. And I'm just saying that I recommend the documentary. And I do recommend that documentary more than the bride. And I feel like I do need to say that I need to circle back because I feel like I almost was too pro the bride.

I don't want everyone thinking Jackie love the bride. It's batch. It's absolutely insane. It's a mess. I mean, I haven't seen it yet. But the way you're describing it, and also I have an extreme Maggie Gillenhall bias because I just adore her. But like I feel like I'm always so excited when a director is willing to make something really weird. And so I understand why you're why you're pro the bride because the fact that it's bad shit to me is a selling point.

It's weird. It's definitely weird. And I feel like Maggie Gillenhall does. She makes weird things, you know. She does. I like because even like Maggie Gillenhall does and so does Jesse Buckley. It's like Jesse Buckley, yes, you see her in the hamlets, but it's like men was a weird movie that Jesse Buckley was in. Yeah.

That was and it was great because Adam then now started talking to me. I forget what the other. She has two other ones that he's like, oh, he's like, if you love Jesse Buckley, you need to watch us, you need to watch. And I was like, okay, whatever, anything Adam tells me to watch, I am going to watch. Adam is my forever, he is my forever movie buddy. Yeah. And I think it was called, I know, I've seen The Lost Daughter and I'm thinking of anything's great. Oh, Beast, that's what it was.

The movie is called Beast. That's one that he said that I should watch. Are you, have you, will you watch Ryan Gossel? is that the name of the new project Hail Mary? Is that the name of the new project that he's in where he did this very, very funny interview with a YouTuber who was stranded on the side of the road? And Ryan Gosling is so fucking charming. And he, the YouTuber just keeps trying to ask him about Project Hail Mary.

And Ryan Gosling just keeps being like, why are you on the side of the road? Are you okay? Are you in a safe place? Is help on the way? Oh, my God. Oh, that's right. That's right. Because he couldn't get there.

I saw that. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. And Jake Hamilton is the interviewer. And he just keeps, he's so clearly excited to interview Ryan Gosselin. And he's like, so tell me about the project.

And, you know, I also, I was like, okay, I need to learn about Project Tail Mary. But he just keeps being like, let's talk about the project. And Ryan Gosselin is like, I don't want to. I want to talk about why you're on the side of the road. You're on the side of the road. What's wrong, bud? It is so cute. We got to fix this.

But Project Hail Mary is like a sci-fi. It looks kind of fun. Jeff says the book is unbelievable. Oh, okay. And he was very, whatever he said, Jeff said the book is unbelievable. He's very excited about the movie. And third thing was that he was very upset

because he's like, I'll explain to you after we see the movie, but he's like, they ruin something in the trailer that you don't know in the book. Oh. And he's like, I will, he's like, we'll talk about it after we see it. Okay.

I said, okay. So I'm curious, but he was like, genuinely like, oh, come on, like that level of, you could have done it differently. Like, so there was that. Okay. So I, and I, but I don't know in watching the trailer what he's referring to. So it's kind of, I like that. And I've learned very little about the project because, again, the interview with Ryan Gosley,

he kept redirecting the conversation away from Project Hail Mary and towards the guy who was on the side of the road. And it was incredibly cute. Yeah, I'm just, Ryan Gosling is another celebrity where I'm like, we're, we're blessed. You haven't done anything to disappoint us. And I'm so grateful for that, you know. I love Ryan Gosling. And then he's been like, even, people are always screaming because he's never, like, out with his wife anywhere.

And recently he also, I think, did like a, he did something with, like, with his wife, with Ava Mendez on, like, he came out. And everyone's like, there's a girl. look at them they're together. It's just like, yeah, I think that she, I think they have a fine life. I think that she just, I think she's just not as in the front as he is. I think that's it, guys. But it's just, Ryan Gosling,

if he ever falls from grace, that would be a real sad one. I think that like we all collectively, like he's one of the few people that I think, no matter what you believe in and all the hatred in this world right now, I feel like we're all still rooting for Ryan Gosling. Yes, 100%. And I was thinking about Matthew McConaughey recently because in the clip of...

Oh, right, all right, I'm not. Is that hilarious, MJ, that I said that? Yes. Because he said it in the one movie. Is that hilarious, MJ? No, say it every time. And I'm not going to say that Matthew McConaughey was at the level of, like, cultural, universal worship and perfection that Ryan Gosling is at.

But I do feel like people, rightfully, love Matthew McConaughey. But you know who was also in that interview with Timothy Chalabay, where he took that needless barb and opera and ballet was Matthew McConaughey. And Matthew McConaughey didn't push back. He just yes manned him. And I understand that Matthew McConaughey's deal is kind of that he's just yes and everybody and he's got to belong for the ride. But I was like, I wonder why nobody's mad at Matthew McConaughey for not being like,

hey, hey, don't do that. But also in a celebrity interview, you're not really like trying to confront people. This is the problem with, I feel like, celebrity interviews like that. Nobody's going to, there's not, it's not a place for confrontation. It's not really a place for pushback. It's a place for just like yes anding each other. And then when you're Timothy Shalameh and you step in it, you know, Matthew McConaughey is not going to be like, hey, sir, I think that you're needlessly attacking an art form right now. Yes. You know. And it is, it is funny because then Doja Cat, which, you know, we all have our issues with Doja Cat, she was all.

also like coming after Timothy, right, with all those? Yeah. Yeah. And then she comes out again and was like, actually, I don't know nothing about opera or ballet either. So I guess. This is a new cycle that keeps on giving. I guess I was just trolling. And the guest.

Like, I actually don't care about opera. I've never seen opera. She just give a shit. She just straight up comes out and was like, no, I was just trolling. I don't give a shit. Shalamee. Yeah, I mean, I've never seen opera. And I also don't, it's not my, it's not my.

chosen art form and neither is ballet, to be honest. But still, you can there's just like Timothy, just pick better targets for who you're going to shit on. Do you need to shit on this right now?

And also, we really are supposed to be like elevating. There's like the list of every year they put out. I forget like who puts out. There's like the list of dying arts. Yeah. And it is something that is disgusting. It's part of the reason why I started learning stained glass.

Stained glass is one of the dying arts. Rather than looking at the dying arts and being like, fuck all them, it's like, why don't we instead try to learn a little bit more about it? Because our lives can be enriched by it in ways, even if you don't want yourself to be doing it. Maybe it's just seeking out,

finding out more information about it. And it's just, there are many ways in which we can support each other because we don't want this stuff to go away. Yeah. It's the opposite of what we want. Right. Yeah.

And it is truly the new cycle. I am actually shocked, and I'm sure Timothy is shocked at how much this is generating in terms of, because now, then of course, there's like, and this is like every internet story, it's like, somebody says something. And then everyone's like, that was fucked up. And then come to the contrarian takes where it's like, actually, it's not fucked up. So now there's like the Vanity Fair, Timothy Chalemase write about ballet and opera and the free press, God fucking help us.

I'm an opera singer. and I think that he's right. And so then there's that stupid wave that we're in. And now we're in the wave. There's a people headline from yesterday. Timothy Shalime's remarks about ballet and opera costume and Oscar, what he said. And I'm just like, man, we need more to talk about. I mean, I do think that it was fun to like shit on him about this.

And I do think that it's like, I'm glad that he said that. And people were like, hey, don't do that. I am actually legit glad about that. But the fact that it has turned into a week-long scale. it really speaks to the avoidance of people trying to not engage with what else is going on right now. With everything else. And it really, it's like, it's so fascinating to watch though, because we are actively watching all of these news sites being like trying to be like, but Tim and they, right? Ha ha ha.

Like, of everyone trying to have other news cycles so desperately. But like the celebrities want nothing to do with nothing. Everybody's like just like because if they're involved in anything, then they also got to be talking about bigger picture things. And a lot of the celebrities don't want to be talking about the bigger picture things. So it's just I feel like there's such a huge like everybody's avoiding everybody right now. It's so weird. Everyone is ground hugging, especially Pink's husband because.

Wow. Everybody said, Pink, you're getting a divorce with your husband. And she was like, no, I'm not. Ha, ha, ha, ha. I'm not going to get a divorce from my husband. Ha, ha, ha. And then... And we can learn to love again. Come on, Pink.

And then her husband... You know it's over, babe. Her husband just stayed silent amidst these rumors, which is a why, as Jackie pointed out, what a fucked up way to find out that your marriage is in trouble. When there is a tabloid story that your marriage is in trouble, and you go on Instagram to say, my marriage isn't in trouble, right? Right? And then your husband groundhogs himself away.

Right, right. It was like a confident, like, what are you guys talking about? My marriage is fine. Yeah. Get something else to talk about. And then radio silence from the husband. And now two weeks later, everything's like, their marriage is ending. They're getting separated.

Their marriage is ending. Crazy. In the same, but then this is all, think of how crazy Pink's life must be right now. This is all while she's in talks of taking over the Kelly Clarkson show. Oh, my God. So I imagine that all of this. is not press that she wants right now. Kelly Clarkson just got a divorce.

It's a cursed show. I'm calling it right here. Kelly Clarkson, she got the divorce, but then her husband died. And so that's why she's... That's right. Well, it had been like, I think it was like a couple of years,

but it... Okay. Like, they were still, but they had little kids, so they were still very much involved in each other's life. That's right. The passing of the ex

was very sudden. And so... So Kelly Clarkson is trying to, which makes sense, she's trying to back off the show so that she can go be with her children. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So there's talks that Pink is taking over the show. And now all of the, and it's like not only this, but then you see how the PR circuit's so crazy that they're also ripping up like, yeah, but Pink's never been a girl's girl, has she?

They're pulling out all this shit, all this like. heresy from our youth of about like about pink and look let's be real we have no idea there was lots of conversation at that time of pitting all of these women performers against each other yes we will probably never know who was the worst on the moulon rouge jicu jia ya song music video all right because they all were one boring and you know that it was bad and I know that there is talks that I believe that it was X Tina and Pink that were the top. Gah!

Gah! Gah! ...at each other, you know? Yes, but you're so right that that was at a time when it was not only that women weren't encouraged to build each other up, but they were explicitly, you know, driven, pushed to tear each other down, which is why it's still jarring for me when I watch a reality show and the women are trying to, like, unite together to shit on the men. And I'm like, what a world.

Right. Wow. Because that is so different from how it used to be. And, yeah, no, I just, I feel like Kelly Clarkson's, like, she's such a lovely celebrity and she's so nice and positive. And, like, the show is, you know, I'm not like a gigantic fan of the Kelly Clarkson show. But I really like her as a celebrity. And I really like pink as a celebrity. And I feel sad for her.

And I like her as a parent. Like, I like, wow. how she has parented her kid. Like I know that she's always received a lot of backlash for like, she brings her kids on tour. And she, you know, there's,

and like with, Hey, too, you know, with teachers. There's no, what could go wrong. Oh yeah,

look at how great lies are turned out. And she's fine. I see no reason not to do that. But also I've always loved pink because she was like an aerialist. And she was always like this strong, like pure muscle woman that was never. the waif one. She was always, and I loved, I really, I like pink. Holden saw her recently, didn't he? In the last few years, didn't Holden see Pink show when she

was doing all the aerial stuff? It was an amazing performance. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, no, this is, sad. I feel bad for how Kelly Clarkson's been kind of done dirty in the press, and I feel bad for how pink is being done dirty in the press. Yeah, but how do you feel about Donna Kelsey? this stupid meme I've now been seeing everywhere, which is why I am bringing it up because TMZ reported breaking news that Donna Kelsey, Travis and Justin Kelsey's mom,

is in the middle of a home renovation. I believe you meant to say Taylor Swift's future mother-in-law because that's the problem. Oh, yes, I'm sorry. Yes, yes, I'm sorry. Poor Donna Kelsey, man. I really liked her on the traders. I thought she was like just a, just a mom.

Just a mom. In an age of women do it all sorts of things so that they don't look like they've aged before. I was like, how nice to just see a regular looking person. And also she has a total nice mom vibes, you know. But then there's the tweet, millennials have lived through two recessions, 9-11, Iraq and Afghanistan, a global pandemic, eight stock market crashes. and Donna Kelsey's home renovation. And this has been a lot for us, okay? Well, there was a blind that I did not use on this week's show, but I'm going to read it now.

This online tabloid has hired a PI to follow the parent of an athlete. They want advance notice of the wedding. So the reason that this whole... Oh, leave her alone. Leave her alone. Leave Donna alone. The reason that this, that they were like TMZ was like, she's doing a modest home renovation is because they are because she's about to be Taylor Swift's future mother-in-law, TMZ is going to ruin this woman's life for the rest of her life.

But also, I need everyone to know when you talk about modest home renovation, this is not like, oh, she's adding on pools. Oh, she's adding on like quarters for the people that run the home. She is replacing nine windows and six doors. Yeah, it's like a major. replacing windows and doors. This is not, so funny. This is not even ground for it. Like, like, it's not.

It's nothing. It's literally like this is house maintenance that she's doing on the house. And TMZ reported it as breaking news. As breaking news. Yeah. And I mean, with Travis Kelsey money, Donna Kelsey, she probably could be doing anything. She could be doing any type of home renovation. And it is like updating the windows.

It's such a funny and classically, mom thinks. to do. Like, got to get my windows done. And yeah, and TMZ is just going to be fucking following her, like, going to the publics, you know, or whatever she's doing. Like, let, let Donna live. Let Donna live. Live Moss, Donna. That's what Donna really needs. Donna needs to become a Taco Bell influencer. She would do it. She was so, like, she was such a good sport on the trader. which is what I appreciated about her because everyone was just like, what's this old lady doing here?

And she was like, I know, right? She was really bad at it though. She was very bad at it. She was very bad at it. Let's all, let's be real here. She was very bad at it. And she tried her best and I think that they put maybe too much on her.

You know? Yeah. Yeah. No, I agree with that. And frankly, really seems like a person who doesn't want to be a celebrity. And honestly, even on the traders, I was like, I'm not sure if you should be on the show because I think you're just a regular woman who does have two famous sons.

But that doesn't mean you need to be a celebrity. No. And she was, again, lovely. Nice personality on the traders. But her time on the traders confirmed, you should just go live your life. Don't be a celebrity. Now she's just trying to update her windows. And TMZ is going to ruin her life until Taylor Swift, Mary's Travis Kelsey.

And then hopefully they will leave Donna alone because they'll just try to. Do you really think after she becomes Taylor Swift's mother-in-law, you really think they're going to leave her alone? Man, I hate one. I don't think they are. I don't think that poor woman's ever going to have a moment of peace. Yeah. And I hope that, you know, I bet, though, that she's the kind of mom that's like, worth it for my son to be in love. Yeah.

Yeah, what, man, what would you do if you're like, well, my lovely son, I mean, I'm not the biggest Travis Kelsey fan, but my nice son found a nice. woman named Taylor Swift and now the rest of my life is going to fucking suck. But also, except, but also, you don't even have to worry about him losing out on his football money, Donna. You're always going to be taken care of. You got that Swift box now. Let her put out as many different versions of the same thing as she can so that she can make sure that Donna Kelsey is taken care of. Okay, that's who she does it for. Yeah. Yeah. I want, I, I, want Donna Kelsey to be taking care of. Why is Kelly Clarkson on the front page of page six right now?

Kelly Clarkson reveals lying American Idol stiffed her on $1 million prize. Oh, yeah. Because she was talking about how much money Rob Roush wins. Leave Kelly alone. Leave her alone. I think it's also, there's part of that conversation of people thinking that when you win a reality show, you're like, set for life. It's like, you know that that's not true, right? You know that, like, also, we all know when this game, everything's heavily taxed.

Like, you know they're not going to get all of it. Like, it's just, anything that seems like a boon, we all know is not really. You know that you're, that you've reached a level of, like, older age when you contemplate, obviously winning $100,000 would change everybody's life. But when I was a kid, I really did think, like, I thought when I was a kid, I thought like winning Jeopardy, you were set for life. I was like, you're famous for the rest of your life. You have enough money to never work again, you know.

And then reality came crashing down around you. Exactly. I'm like, I understand that a heavily taxed $220,000, which is what Rob Rosh won, definitely life-changing money. But not enough to support your family and yourself for the full rest of your life. Not a family of five. It's not going to get you very far.

In the same way that we were talking about with, oh god Dawson's Creek James Vanderbiz family and they're like well they got $2 million like you're right

that is a lot of money and it is a life-changing amount of money it's not for to raise six children for the next 10 plus years

inside of the home like that's different that doesn't get you quite as far especially anymore like it really sadly doesn't and it's

I think it's also all of us coming to terms with that. Yeah. And like that that's crazy because I think it also used to, though, get us a lot further than it does now. For sure. Yeah. If you've got, yeah, I think that it used to be that if you were a celebrity and you, you know, had a couple of, who was I just thinking about that? Oh, David Boreans.

I was like, David Boreans must have a lot of money because he got in when the get was good with Bones and Buffy. And those are two things that I presume are still paying good royalty. And they both had a lot of episodes, a lot of just a lot of work, you know. And I was thinking, I was like, David Boreans might be like the only actor who I can think of right now. He must be financially stable. And again, that just goes to show what being old is like because I was like, I wonder what David Borens' financial situation is. I mean, you don't see Matt LeBlanc doing any work. Yeah.

You know, there's a couple of them out there that are doing just fine. Yeah, I think Matt LeBlanc is doing just fine. And David Borianz was in the news because Christina Applegates, a memoir came out. And she said that he's really nice. And he was married with children very briefly. And he kind of. I'm very happy that he's nice. But it doesn't make Angel.

It doesn't make me want to fuck Angel. It doesn't make me want to fuck Angel. It doesn't make me an angel over Spike person. But again, that's because I'm pretending that Buffy season. episode 19 doesn't exist. But David Boreans, nice. According to Christine Applegate, and that's breaking news as far as I'm concerned. You're right.

We hear we lift up, we lift up a David, but we putting down that angel. We're saying, oh, you fall and sorry, you're too far down there. Can't save that angel. Angel. But I guess it's time that we finish up this episode. I wanted to say thank you to everybody for hanging out with us. I want to also extend an extension thank you to all of our buffs out there that helped us through this tumultuous time period. And you're going to hear more about that as weeks as the weeks roll on over at the page 7 Patreon.

So come hang out with us over there. We got your sookies. We got your buffs. We've got, oh, we've got your wistaria laniacs. and y'all are really sleeping on it if you haven't joined us yet for our Wisteria Laniacs talkbacks. I'm having an absolute blast.

It's my favorite time of the week. But also, MJ, anytime I get to spend time with you is my favorite time of the week. Anytime I get to spend with you is my favorite time of the week. Except I don't want to watch Fukushima a nuclear nightmare. And I'm not...

I'm not going to. You don't have to. You heard the worst part about it and just live in just a general fear that don't worry. People also try to cut costs at the nuclear plants as well. Don't worry. I'm already living in fear. Good, good, good, good, good.

Just want to make sure that we end this episode with a little dose of fear. Everybody have, as if we're all not living it. We love you guys so much. We just be good to yourselves, be good to other people, and let's sing the song. Pottle be better. Second time around. Yeah. This show is made possible by listeners like you.

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