Page 7 - Second Helpings - Coffee And Bitch Session

Episode Date: March 14, 2025

MJ and Jackie are back and crankin' out new themes for Second Helpings! Rewatching the 'Step By Step' theme and reading 'The Baby-Sitters Club' to their own child has got MJ thinkin' 'bout millennial children of divorce, Jackie says the 'Love is Blind' finale had her in tears, Jackie prematurely turned off American Murder: Gabby Petito while watching it with MJ and now she's prematurely doing something else while thinking of the buffbutch FBI agent featured in it, Tori Spelling apparently doesn't drink water and you can definitely tell, and Gene Simmons is charging fans over $10,000 dollars to be his personal assistant for the day, Ben Affleck seems to only know 2 women and they're both named Jennifer, Hailey Bieber did a photoshoot that got her roasted, because everyone missed the point, and Justin ripped a bong while riding a bike. Jackie went to see 'Mickey 17' and was surprised that they didn't completely love it, and over in Baldwin corner, Alec and HILARIA launched the grand reopening of the Planet Hollywood in New York Time Square last Tuesday and still continue to be generally unlikeable on 'The Baldwins', MJ is finally gettin' into 'Severance', Jackie is caught up on 'The Traitors' season 3, recommends Doctor Odyssey for that sweet sweet white noise, and even more on this week's Second Helpings! Want even more Page 7? Support us on Patreon! Patreon.com/Page7Podcast  Subscribe to SiriusXM Podcasts+ to listen to new episodes of Page 7 ad-free.Start a free trial now on Apple Podcasts or by visiting siriusxm.com/podcastsplus. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Listen to your cries and we are back here with second helpings with a new theme song. Let's see if you can figure out where it's from. You ready, MJ? Ready. Me, me, me, me. Pod'll be better. Second time around. And do you love it?

Because I know, just take a pause here if you want to see if you can remember what it's from. Something just struck a chord within your brain. Where did this come from? Well, we had many submissions and I just want to say thank you, everybody that hit us up telling us about what we should do and that it shouldn't be Tracy Chapman anymore, which we did hear. We hear your friends. We hear that. Listen, sometimes we vote by laughter and we had a romp, but your laughter, I guess, Trump's our laughter. It certainly does.

We don't romp. No, this is the thing. You know, you have to remember, MJ and I are recording this real early in the morning. so we're a little punchy. Well, it's real early in the morning for me, not for MJ. I lived a whole life. But I'm punchy. Yes, you're punchy. And, you know, I still think Peter Gabriel could be in the running.

But this one, shout out goes to Amanda, who wrote in and said, obviously it's hard to decide between the smooth sounds of Tracy Chapman or the high tones of Peter Gabriel. But I would like to throw in a suggestion for your theme song, the opening to the 1990s TV classic step by step. And in my brain, of course, I went to step by step. I was like, all right, are sick? God happens. It's a podcast. And so we went through that.

Again, this was before I had a sip of coffee. But MJ did the Lord's work and listen to the step-by-step theme song. I watched the whole do it, guys. Watch it. It'll unlock memories. You'll be like, is it Friday night and I'm having pizza? Maybe a friend is coming over and we're going to watch the ABC TGIF. You know, it's going to feel great.

And just to add to why Amanda's, suggested this. This is a song about growth. Amanda Wrights, this is a song about growth, combining families, maybe roller coasters, but most importantly, making it better the second time around. You are the Patrick Duffy and Suzanne Summers of my sleepover, and I am the weird neighbor kid. Thank you so much for your submission. MJ, I just looked up. I said to you, I was like, yeah, with all the theme, with the theme park stuff, I always wanted to go to that theme park. MJ, I have been to that theme park. They shot it at six, flags, magic mountain. We have been to that theme park many a time before. It has some of the

best roller coasters I've ever been on. It makes complete sense that they shot it there. You know what? Personally, step by step, I'm going to say thank you. It's a big roller coaster. When I was a kid watching step by step, I had never been on a big roller coaster like that. And just that alone, that part of the theme song, thrilled me. And, you know, there was a lot of blended family material in the 80s and 90s. I'm reading Babysitters Club to, my kids right now. How is that going? Oh, it's great. I love the chapter book era.

And we are, I love babysitters club. Yes, it is very 80s. The best part about it is that all the kids have extremely what are now very middle aged woman names. Like all the kids are named Nancy and Karen. Which one are you? I always wanted to be a Claudia, but I knew I was a Christy. Well, we're in the little, yeah, I mean, Christy's fine.

Chris is fine. It's a Christy one of the, she's like the executive. Yeah, I know. Yeah, you are, Christy. You're the Christy of page seven. I fall into the Christy, but I always wanted to be a Claudia. That makes sense. Claudia's cool.

We're also, we're in the little sister universe because she's seven and my kid I'm reading to is almost seven. And so babysitter's club little sister really, really fantastic. But they talk so much about divorce. Like every book begins with her explaining her family's divorce. Oh, yeah. And are the kids terrified that you guys are going to get a divorce? It's on their radar now.

I bet. Yeah. And they have some friends who, you. you know, whose parents live in separate houses and stuff. And so, like, they've, and they've never, it is, it is just weird to, like, have that conversation with them. Like, definitely one of them was, like, ask, like, are you and Papa ever going to get a divorce? And I was like, I hope not. I don't think so.

But I was like, I don't think anybody ever really plans for it. Not today. It's just interesting culturally how when you, like, all of this stuff from our childhood specifically, so much of it was about blended families. And I, there must be a sociological reason for that. They were just trying to normalize it and it was stigmatized before, I guess. But it seems like there's less of that now. But maybe now it's because like...

It's so accessible. It's so like, yeah, obviously it's not that big of a deal anymore. And maybe it was just more demonized back then. And maybe now I feel like it's more likely that you're trying to normally, like, if anything in pop culture, it's like now... Normalizing sexuality. Exactly. Normalizing gender identity.

Different two dads, two moms, like things like that. Whereas that in the 90, like watching the step by step, I was like, oh, Oh, yeah, that's what happened. It was another divorce story. And I was terrified of divorce as a kid. But also, it's obviously good that this is, like, that there was so much representation. Like, I'm enjoying the way they deal with it in the babysitters club. Thoughts?

In my brain, no, in my brain, I was just like, yeah, but you know Cody in the past has said some sort of homophobic, horrific shit. It's like, Lord knows what he has in his past. Like, he's such a, oh, oh, oh. I'm just a Midwestern Joey. Oh, I'm just a Cody. Don't worry about me. I live in a van. Oh, I'm just a guy.

And then you watch the Love is blind reunion and you realize what Joey is. No, I know. Oh, okay. Okay. All right. Slow down. Don't come for my Joey that way. Okay.

And I just want to put out a call right here. He came down the aisle on a skateboard, MJ. That's fun. Why do we have a problem with that? That is the biggest cringe thing I have ever seen. Well, maybe not ever seen. Oh, my gosh. I can't believe this.

Crange. What? I cringe so hard. Are we talking about the same man? Yes, we are definitely talking about the same man. I'm over, Joey. Watching all of that at next, I've sewed up my vagina for him. It is never going to open again.

But Cody, I'd let him slip. Cody is like Eric from Boy Meets World where it's like you're too old to be living at home. I know, but they're just so weird. I think that it's why I was so attracted to them was that they were so weird, they really shouldn't be living on their own. And that's what I'm into. And I say this with no judgment if you are a person who's that old and still lives at home. In fact, I've come around now.

We've talked about this recently. Many Gen Z are not leaving your home, MJ. They're not leaving. They're never leaving. No, they're never going to leave. And that's fine. And I know Gen Z is moving out less and less because they can't afford homes. Oh, no.

That's fine. Oh, no. Well, that's, again, you can really just tell us. Gatians. We got Gatians, everybody. Sorry, everybody. We need like a shock jock sound alert. Like we used to have toilet flush.

We need a Gatians alert. Gations, Gatians, Gatians. It's the Italian donkey sound. We need to throw that out there, you know. Ea. It is domestic abuse. In domestic abuse, in case you were wondering what level of Gations we're talking about here. I do want to say if you are a millennial who did experience divorce as a kid,

did you feel seen and represented by shows like step by step or by books like The Babysitters Club? Like, did they do a good job? I would love to hear your perspective on that because it is just interesting to revisit. And also, of course, we talk about this all the time. I was everything we watched as a kid, if there was a mom, it was a blended family. Otherwise, the mom was dead, full house looking at you. So I would love to hear people's thoughts on that. Wait a second. I am, I'm sorry, I'm going down a horrific Reddit hole over here. I'm in a Cody hole that is difficult to be in.

But not even that. Wait a second. All this stuff with Dana, I remember that we have so much to talk about it. We shouldn't be talking about this right now. I know. And people barely remember step by step. I don't even know if people are listeners will know what we're talking about. They are definitely going to know what we're talking about.

And if you don't know what we're talking about, go watch this most likely problematic show. because turns out Cody, who lived in a van in the driveway, yes. Yeah. He was always hitting on Dana, but apparently, and they're like, oh, it was only a three-year age difference. But he was, I'm just looking at Reddit. I'm not looking up the actual details on this, that he was 18, and it was only a three-year-age difference. That means she was 15 in the show. This is like Britney, this is just what we were talking about with Britney Spears's memoir.

She's like, it was. Every time I try to fly off all without my wings. pretending to play the piano. Now you can see it. I was a freshman and he was a senior. And then that was so, I had several friends and relationships like that. It was normal back then. Oh my God.

And Cody was 24 in real life and she was actually 16. Oh, no. All right. We, no one watched step by step. Maybe they shouldn't be the big song. Too many gations. And these occasions are not towards Patrick Duffy or Supercée. Suzanne Summers, thank God.

I hope not. I hope. Talk about a tape that's still to the stay. I'm saying it. Corpse at all. I would watch it. I would definitely watch it. Kick him up.

Wait, who's dead? Which one's dead? Both of them? Both. Are they both dead? Oh, God. Oh, God. Am I speaking ill?

Am I speaking ill of the not? I know Suzanne Summers has passed, right? Well, we're about to find out. We're about to find out. Patrick Duffy, very much alive. Alive. Suzanne Summers. Oh, dead.

Is she dead? dead. Yeah, sorry, that was a horrible way to say it. She's dead. Oh, recently did. With respect. She's past. With respect. Well, we'd watch the tape. But Patrick Duffy, though, if you could go get her, get to shoveling. We have other things because we got to talk about television. We will be talking about love is blind. I can't believe you turned on Joey like this. Oh, I, I flapped that flop so hard. Just because he's emotionally shuttered. Yes. Doesn't mean. Shudder. He doesn't deserve our love. You're right. But it's like, do we have to teach him, MJ?

Yeah, we don't want to be the one. I think he needs to go figure his shit out. It's Minnesota. They should never have filmed a show in a state where we have not yet learned how to verbalize our emotions. Love is bland. It is part of the culture. It's not bland. It's just that we don't voice our emotions. Did you see all the parents on the wedding days?

All of them are like, all right. That's cool. Oh, I guess you're. making a decision. All right. You look nice. All right. We don't process our emotions.

So that's not our fault. We bury them. I go to church and we bury them. I guess I'm going to say, spoiler alert real quick. For I genuinely cried. I cried at the last episode of Love is Blind. And maybe I am in a state recently. But it was because of Virginia and Devin and their relationship,

which we screened as ever. MJ and I watched the beginning of this season. All of them are very boros norro. But Virginia and Devon, in the beginning, it was almost as if they were asleep while talking to each other. I was like, how are they? They were struggling to stay awake while talking to each other. We were asleep, but it was because they were falling asleep before our eyes.

But then it seemed like maybe they had gotten to a better place. Did you cry because you're so proud of Virginia for making the right decision? Yes. Yes. Well, I was surprised. Me too. And then to hear her talk about why? Yeah.

I was like. Good for you, bitch. I know. Good for you. Take care of yourself because this dude was just, she wanted to make it very clear that she's like, I am a faithful person, but I do not vote via my faith. I know. The fact that he was just like, I am not cool with queer people, which we could tell from his

interaction with Brittany. Yes. When she was like, I dated a woman and he was like, I'm freaking out. And that he doesn't believe in abortion. and or that he thinks that the man should be involved too in the choice. And I love, I love her. I love with Virginia. The most compelling moment of the entire, yes, very boring season.

Not boring because of Minneapolis, although we can talk about that too. There's this great TikTok explaining it why it was boring, but because specifically Minneapolis-based. But her being like, I am not going to talk about his politics, but I will say what I believe. and I believe that queer people are okay and I believe in abortion, which is a great. Again, we have mastered in Minnesota. We have mastered the art of passive aggression. And that was very well played on her part. But yes, choose yourself, girl.

Yeah, he was pretty good. But you know what? Those things are really important and you should not settle on them. And he's a nice guy. He's a basketball coach. We love that for him. But he's got some growing to do. Yes, he has a lot of growing to do.

And I'm so proud of her for choosing herself. And the same way with Harry Conic Rat Face and the other bitch. Oncology nurse number one. Yes. I'm really proud of her as well. She was like he's nice. He seems good on paper. But I just don't.

I need more. I need more. And the fact that he had no idea about what he felt about Black Lives Matter despite living in Minneapolis during George Floyd. Did not even. Never thought about George Floyd. Can you imagine the city was on fire and he never thought about it? about George Floyd and never thought about what he felt about Black Lives Matter

and had never thought about his position on gay marriage or his church's position. And she was like, I just can't let that go. Yes. Yes. Man. Yes, Oncology nurse number one. Good job. In every conflict, there's at least one bitch.

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I know that we can't talk about love is blind this entire time. But Madison at the reunion. So we're talking about for those of you that do not remember or could not care less. We're talking about the one with the nose ring. The one that's an artist. The hot one. The one that showed up with the orange hair. If you didn't end up finishing it.

The one that didn't end up going, like didn't get married to anybody. And she was still very much because if there's one thing I've learned is that Minneapolis is small. Very small. And they all. know where each other is at all times. That's the TikTok. There was this great TikTok of a guy being like, let me explain. I don't think I talked about this on Mike yet, but just, but it's, he's like, let me explain why everyone's calling it love is plan. He's like, Minneapolis is a small town. And it might not seem that small, like number wise, but it feels very small. He's like,

don't believe me. This is Sarah. I went to prom with her. And it's a picture of him with one of the contestants. And then he's like, don't believe me again. This is Molly. She's my cousin. And he, explains. He's like, there's like four bars that like young people this age of this kind of like social strata go to and they all see each other. And he explains like, that's why love is by Minneapolis doesn't work because it's just too everyone's connected to somebody else. And that, Jackie, how much did that play out in the reunion when they were all always seeing each other at the same bars? They were like, I saw you at this bar. I saw you at this bar. I heard you were at this bar. And like that always happens out of the city. That happens a little bit in other episode.

you hear about like, oh, were you at this? I mean, there's obviously been pivotal scenes about, were you at this bar? But in Minneapolis, is it really, like, and I, you know, I still have a lot of friends in Minnesota because I live there for four years. A lot of my friends still live there. And I got a bunch of messages back being like,

oh yeah, I know that guy. Oh, yeah, I know that bar they're talking about. Like, it's just a, it's a delightful place. And love is blind and it at 30. And not if you're on love is blind, a delightful place. It is also funny that, of course, the internet is evil, but it's fun sometimes.

It's a fun kind of evil. Like when Madison claims that she is an artist, I'm sorry, I can't say claims, she is an artist. She's an artist. She's an artist. And she makes artwork. But for those of you that listen to all of Deep Dives Akitar and how I used to make jokes about how like let's see Farah's actual art. Love to see when you keep saying, but I'm an artist. I'm a painter. I'm a painter. So of course the internet dug up Madison's artwork. And she put out a, everybody's making fun of it. I think this is bitchy. I don't appreciate this. You're right. You're right.

It is bitchy because it is just artwork. It's just art that she's making, art that she's putting out. She's a young person making art. It's fine. She's making art. Let her make art. Let her identify as an artist. She even came out being like, guys, I'm like in the middle of trying new things.

So I just, yeah, some people wanted to buy some of my work. But like, I'm not selling all of it. Like, I just, please back off a little bit. But it is kind of funny. I haven't actually looked at the art because I don't want to know. I think this is where I'm... It's cute. It's cute.

It's fine. Yeah. This is where I... I don't know why I become protective. I'm like fine with shitting on some of the people on Love is Blind. And then some people I'm just like, let her be a painter. And Joey is one of those people because he's emotionally closed off. I'm needlessly protective of Joey because he wasn't a bad man.

Badman. No. He was just very, extremely emotionally closed off. He ain't no Cody. And he put it on her, and that was shitty of him. This is, and this is what many men on Love is Blind do and in real life. They don't want to be the one to break up. So they just make it impossible to be with them until you break up with them.

And that is what he did to Monica. He was just like, what if I'm completely emotionally unavailable to you? And I make you completely insecure all the time by, um, telling you I live in the moment and I can't tell you whether I like you or not. It is shitty. It is shitty. I think that honestly, as you're saying this back to me, I'm like, I think that I'm particularly prickled by these things, maybe because of past things that I've gone through.

So I feel like maybe that's why I'm like, oh, oh, I'm sorry, it's my fucking fault that you haven't done the work to start working on your emotional communication. Yeah. And Joey's not even like a baby either. He's in his early 30s. He just, I think that Joey needs therapy. Yes. And that is not something that somebody with that level of a Minnesotan accent has usually done.

No. I hope that it's okay, Minnesotans that I'm talking this way. I know I'm not a true Minnesotan, but I'm an Iowan, and we're even more closed off than Minnesotans. Okay. So I feel like I can speak to it a little bit. But he just needs, he needs help. But I don't think that he's a bad person, but I think that he is going to be a bad partner until he figures out how to access his emotions. He's obviously, he experienced a very severe trauma of losing a sibling, like, not that long ago.

And like many of the people on Love is Blind, you are just not ready for this. Not ready for it. But you know what? He's not. He's not a Dave. No, no, no, no. He's not one of the other ones that are, it just all look the same. Yes, all of the other men who are just, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Get out of here.

Get out here. It was just so, although when Madison brought out the literal receipts of her printing out text messages, I thought that was pretty funny. This is the thing. She's hot and she's crazy and I think she's the most interesting person on the whole show. I think she's definitely crazy though.

I think she never won't rise. But she's that special type of crazy that you can only be when you're that hot. Yes. You know what I mean? Like when you're first so drawn in by someone's beauty and then you slowly start to realize

like, oh, I can't trust you at all. At all. You got them crazy eyes. You got the beautiful crazy eyes. But you're right though. Beautiful crazy eyes is different than just regular. crazy eyes. I've got crazy eyes. And I, like, I give crazy real easy, but I'm manageable crazy. I'm

the kind of crazy that has worked on her crazy before. So I say, look at my eyes, but listen to my mouth. And it's not sneaky. You're an open book. But a hot woman, you don't always expect her to be that level of crazy. It comes up. No, you're so right. It's a slow burn. You know who I bet isn't crazy? Loretta Bush. I need to just quickly talk about her. Let's do it. I have to. I'm over-level blind. I'm done. I don't want to see it again for at least six months. At least. And you know it's coming back soon because they already just like it's, they're doing two a year now. I know. It's too many. We'll have it soon enough. But Loretta Bush, I have not watched the Gabby Petito documentary. Now, I think, I remember MJ you had started watching it at my home and I, I put it on

pause and I said, I'm sorry, MJ. It's just not, it depends. Six schizophrenic brothers brings me in. There's certain kind of mental health crazy that will bring me into a true crime documentary. And maybe it's just because I live within a world that true crime built. So it's definitely something I'm not always having on my television. But I know that this story, like, has a lot. And I know that it is a good docu-series. But the main thing that I'm picking up off a TikTok, okay, I think I'm picking up the real facts of what they're given on this docu-series. And that is Loretta Bush, who is the sexiest FBI agent I have ever seen.

Yeah, we're talking about the Gabriel Petito documentary, which is, is it American murder? I hate that they give such bland names to all of these new docu series now, American, whatever, I'll find it. But yes, it was a good documentary. I like, I ended up enjoying it. And I agree with, I mean, I know, probably. a lot of true crime fans listeners because probably many of you found us through LPOTL and I also like true crime but the Gabby Petito story is interesting because it's specifically that thing of true that so much true crime like Dateline 2020 the type of news magazine true crime I grew up with which is

just like here's a random story about a beautiful woman who was killed an intimate partner violence and but it but it is like a self-aware like it ends up that ends up being part of the story so Anyway, it like, like that, that and the reaction of the world to being like, wow, look at how people mobilized around this. And then the family ends up being like, well, it feels gross for you to say that that's why this, like, that's why we found, like, solved this case. But then the family is like, wait a minute, you're right. And like, it ends up episode three goes to really interesting places. American murder is what it's called. Okay. Hell yeah. Great. So you recommend. I did. I do recommend. I did thought, I think it was well made. But, but. And didn't thirst as hard as the internet as thirst for Loretta Bush. I'm glad that we're talking about Loretta Bush because I did notice her. She is a beautiful Butch FBI agent with muscles that go on for days. Oh, God. Covered in tats. She's got a great haircut.

She's just, I'm not usually attracted to this type of iconic Butch. but I it really it will stop you in your tracks how stunning this woman is and apparently the entire documentary the entire documentary which of course is very devastating

and sad and serious now like so much of the discourse around it is like shots of her father figure me I don't like that I'll be a father figure because she is

and my oh also Jackie I don't know I don't know much you've seen because I know you have not watched the docket. You've just seen the TikToks of it. She gets very emotional. She and she, it's like, should I be there for her? She got to, you got to be there for her. And it's her voice. I mean, it's really interesting because it's like literally her voice on some of the police calls. Like you hear the calls where she's

like trying to. Oh my God. Oh, that's so upsetting. It is upsetting. Like, um, but she really, you know, she was like, I take this really seriously and this is really important. And I want to make sure that that justice is done here and blah blah blah you know et cetera et cetera not usually my not usually what has me um exactly slip in and slide in like a a muscular FBI uh agent talking about being a detective yeah I know I know that's not usually my thing either but man stop me dead in my tracks on TikTok she is stunning do I watch this docu series just to stare at this person I don't know man I hope that she thinks it's fun it's like Again, everything about this is sad.

Yeah. So it feels weird, but also it is very funny. And this is the age we live in now. Now this is its own thing, the love for Loretta, that is completely separate from the tragedy that has launched her into the public spotlight. She's just gorgeous. Man, she looks great. Wow. Sorry.

I just was, speaking of being stopped dead in my tracks, I just saw this headline that says, Tori Spelling doesn't drink water compares herself to a cactus and wild admission. Oh, my God. was so taken out of the conversation. I was like, why? Wait a second. Why doesn't she drink water? Why does that have to drink water?

Everything she does is like viscerally gross. I know. I think she's really fucked up. I think that she's got a lot of fucking problems and I hope that she's working on them. Like not drinking water is as gross as asking your seven-year-old to give you a massage. Yeah. That's so gross. Especially, I think it's, yeah, especially when you're not with.

wearing any clothes asking your seven-year-old to give you a massage. You know, people are asking everybody for lots of weird things. And I, this is not the number one story of this week, but I got to bring it up just because specifically the like ad that was put out for it. Headline is Kiss Rocker, Gene Simmons charging fans $12,000 to be his personal assistant for a day. All right. So you're like, okay, that's really weird to charge somebody to like work, but not only work for you, because On the actual ad, it says the ultimate Gene Simmons experience. You will be Gene Simmons's personal assistant and band roadie for the day. You have to pay $12,495.

And underneath it, it says all in capitals. You will meet up with Gene and GS band members early in the day, either at his hotel, to go over the band's show day schedule. You will be on the GS band team crew for the entire day. You will get a GSB crew member, VIP, laminate. You will have a meal with Gene Simmons. You will arrive and load into the venue with the band. It goes through all of the things you're going to have to do to spend.

Sounds like a threat. It sounds like a threat for $12,500 to be forced to work all day. But you get the opportunity to be around Gene Simmons. Who is paying to do this? I think that I could see people doing it. I want to know who's doing it for Gene Simmons. Yes. Although there is a woman from Smothered, one of the mothers from Smothered, which is the TLC show about unhealthy relationships between mothers and daughters.

And she was a huge Gene Simmons fan and really gives me a little bit of insight into who that person is. Tell me a little bit more about this person. How do we feel about the person that obsessed with the band kiss? Unfortunately, I really liked her on the show. And then I went on to follow her on Instagram. Wow. And I learned a little bit about her politics. And I unfollowed her.

Unfollowed. So that is what, but she's real fun. She loves to decorate for the holidays. She has Jean Simmons's exact haircut. Wow. She dresses like him for Halloween. Okay. It's, you know, it's just she's fun, but not nice in terms of how she votes.

So anyway, I just think that there is. So maybe she should pay this money and go do this all. I think she would. I think she would and I and I I want I want that for her. I just think it's funny because I feel like anyone that would pay this money who has this kind of extra cash and also loves the band kiss, I feel like they're not going to be of the age or the, you know, physical stability to be able to load a bunch of equipment and like get the band set up for their show. You know what I mean? I think it's hard to separate the idea of of like get to be my personal assistant for a day from the fact that it's for Gene Simmons.

I think if we were to take this idea and put it on like a Justin Timberlake or something, would we think it was a good idea then? And part of you want to say, I guess. You said Justin Timberlake. I know. I'm sorry. It's the Britney. He's on my mind. Pugue.

I know. I'm not saying it's good. I'm just saying like for somebody who, honestly, I don't know if anyone would want to pay $12,000 for it. It needs to be somebody who has that level of super fan. I guess Taylor Swift. I guess it's like an interesting VIP, Taylor Swift. Do you want to pay $12,000 to work for her all day? I think people would.

And I think people would. And I don't think it's that exploitative. Yes, you're literally making someone pay to work for you. Pay to work for you? Maybe it. Okay. All right. Maybe it's a little. I feel it's a little.

All right. It's exploited. But I get to be in your presence. You know what I mean? I just, I know that we've talked about this. before, especially with like, why I don't identify as a Swiftie. There's just nothing I think I like that much that I would need to do that. Yeah.

When I think about the- Or felt the need to do it. All the people I like that much are dead because they're all old. If part of this was bringing that, like, taking their, I don't know, eggs, their like stem cells and like remake and just their head so I could talk to them. Great. I'll pay $12,000 for that. Remake the head.

Yeah. Well, I really, I just really want to know like how many inquiries. come in about this. That's, that's, because it is an interesting model. It's like, what if instead of, like, VIP, where you pay an extra couple hundred dollars and you get to, like, you know, do a photo meet and greet, what if you pay me $12,000 and you work a 12-hour shift of manual labor for me? It is an interesting idea. Should we set one up for page seven? Is that what you're saying? Yeah, next time we're on tour. Yeah. And, you know, we cap it at $75 and see if there's any takers. I think you cap it at $50 to see if there's any takers. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. lower our expectations here. That's what I'm trying to set them low. Okay, but there's so much to talk about and we have to, have to, have to get to the story that we just missed under the wire last week, which is Ben Affleck knows only two women. It's the pictures, the cozy pictures.

They're both named Jennifer. And the pictures are too cozy according to other people because we heard word on the, okay, let me paint the picture. picture for you. They're co-parenting, right? We know that Ben Affleck and Jennifer Garner hang out all the time. They were set like they had a 13th birthday party for one of their children at a paint gun establishment. And in this cozy picture, I don't know why. Jennifer Garner is shooting the paintball gun and Ben Affleck, his arm is around the front of her stomach. It is. I don't know why. Sexy situation.

She's realizing her, bracing her, or was it sexy? And apparently Jennifer Garner's boyfriend doesn't really like it. But even in the article, they tried to get you of like a, he's so upset. Even the article, he's like, but they co-parent. And I understand he's like, yeah, that photo is a little weird, but I know that he doesn't want to have sex with her. Like, he's very, like measured about the whole thing. Like, I understand. The source says that he.

Oh, tell me about what the source is. said that he said that he doesn't want to see anything like that again or he has no choice but to walk away. Whoa. That's what the source is saying. Because last week, this is not the first story about them getting too close. For about a week now, week and a half maybe, there's been stories about how they're hanging out again. And again, they're hanging out because they're co-parents. They're co-parents. They live near each other. They're around each other all the time. It's just part of it. I just, I feel like this is them making a mountain out of them all. them now. This is them dot dot dot now. Yes, exactly. I'm sorry. You're right. Oh, don't. Oh, that's JLo. That is her. I know, dot, dot, dot, dot now is upset about these photos according to a source. Or does she not give a shit because they're co-parenting? I feel like it's more of that. I mean, I was so excited for Ben and Jen Jalo to get back together because I thought how nice to revisit this old romance and this old flame. And you know what? I'm excited for him to get back to. together with this gen as well because wouldn't that be nice? You know, we're talking about divorce earlier. Maybe a divorce, you take your time, you grow, and you come back. The question is,

has Ben Affleck grown? I don't know. And I don't know the answer to that. And we're never going to know the answer to that until he gets back together with one of the Jennifer's in his life. And I will watch it happen. This paintball picture is sexy, though. There is no reason to be embracing that way unless he was trying to save her from a paintball. Yeah, maybe he was trying to save her, MJ. Oh, no, come here. They're going to get her. Oh, no.

You might have to wrap you. I'm really not having on now. I got you, Jed. Potatically. I'm going to do this as a co-parent. I just feel like I know a couple of co-parents and they're not touching like that. Yeah. The phrase co-parent is very much like, we get along because we are raising children together, but that's about it.

My arm's not wrapped around your stomach. So I will say it is a little. Yeah. No, I mean, we've all had X's where you're like, you know what, if I run into them, I will sleep with them again. And we also have all had X's where it's like absolutely never again. So I just wonder what type of X's are they? Are they maybe again someday X or are they absolutely not until hell freezes over type of X? I'm going to say I hope for Jen Garner's sake that she is a you will not hurt me again. You will not do this to me. again. I'm hoping that it's like we are forever friends and I can do that but never again. J-Lo, you know, she could slide back into it and I'd watch it happen and I'd be fine with it. But I would do, you know, the way you were talking about Madison earlier, I feel that way about Jennifer Garner. I love Jennifer Garner. I love her and her little farm life. I love that she loves her chickens. I love that I like the way she's parenting her children. I think that like

she just gives off a vibe of the kind of person that I would love to come. come over and like I feel like we would have a great like coffee and bitch session together. You know what I mean? Yeah. I really like Jennifer Garner too. She seems just like the most grounded celebrity on earth. Yes. Yes.

I love her. And she's up there with a Drew Barrymore. Except not a scab. Not a scab. But I, this article that I want to bring up says virtually nothing. But I need to bring it up just because it was the bitchiest article I have ever read about Haley Bieber's healthy living photo shoot. She did this photo shoot.

We're barely going to talk about this. I just need to bring it up. She did this photo shoot where it's like, oh, it's difficult being a mom. She's got like a baby sippy cup and she's got like a, like a, you know, a binky in her mouth. Like she's like holding on to and she's trying to like pick stuff up. Mind you.

This is like, because when you read the headline, it's like, the headline is literally Haley Bieber looked like an overwhelmed working mom and a new photo shoot. So it makes it sound like maybe she was kind of accidentally looking like an overwhelming. working mom, whereas this is the photo shoot. It's like one of these like, working mom, women have it all.

But we got a briefcase and we're selling shoes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. She's like, oh, I'm a mom and I'm hot and I got a business and I got a baby. Like it's that it's on purpose that she's doing that. But this article is like, look at this bitch. She looks exhausted.

Look at this bitch. Oh, what, Justin Bieber can't make any money. She's got to go out and do a photo shoot. She's a model. That's what she does. It's a photo shoot. This whole article was like dunking on Haley Bieber, dunking on Justin Bieber just for being like

that Justin Bieber is lazy and is making his wife work even though they've got a young child at the house and oh my God she looks so beleaguered. Could she get a little help? She's doing a huge photo shoot for Fila. What are you talking about bitch? Yes, yet again

taking entire agency away from women to just be like this woman looks tired. It is a photo shoot where she's trying to show the complexities of being a working mother. Of being a parent. Also, though this line had me dying. In sharp contrast to hardworking Haley, Justin was seen smoking from a bong well on a bicycle and a post shared to Instagram, which is an accurate description

of what the Instagram photo is, and it's very funny. But you know what? Here's my hot take. And I say this, as I of course obviously believe that both parents should equally contribute to raising a child. In terms of the financial part, I don't know. If their finances are okay, I personally would be fine with Justin Bieber never working again. You know why? Because that boy started working when he was 10 years old. Yeah, and he made enough money that if they did it right, they could live forever off of it. And he's had a lot of health issues.

And I'm over here defending him, but I'm not even like a stand of Justin Bieber. Like, I don't care really. I was so surprised by this article that was like, leave, what do you have nothing else to write about? leave them alone. Yeah. Or did you want a hot take for the article? I guess, but that's just, it was just a weird hot take. Anyway, sorry, I do need to bring up Mickey 17 because I did go to see Mickey 17,

which is the new Bong Joon Ho movie that dropped with starring Robert Pattinson. Oh, okay. And I was very excited to see it. I was very shocked at how much it did not. I didn't love it. Really? I really thought that it was good, especially like the, the combo of Robert Pattinson and Bong Joon Ho. I was like, all right, let's see what this is going to be.

But it had so many awesome ideas in it. And can I just say, Mark Ruffalo and Tony Collette play these like bombastic characters. They're unbelievable in it. They are, I mean, go see it, at least just for the two of them, I feel. And Robert Fadden also kills it. It's just they started, it was. more the plot that I had an issue with. It wasn't like the making of the movie. They just sprinkled in so many ideas and nothing went anywhere. And I just kind of was surprised with where

it ended up going. I was like, oh, I thought it was going to be way more about this thing, but I guess it's not going to be about that thing. So I was just, it was just very long and I was surprised. I think the thing is though, as 77% on Rotten Tomatoes, it's a great movie. I was just, my expectations were higher. Understandably. And I think that it was just that it fell a little bit lower. But I would say, I mean, especially your Stubbs member, go fucking see it. It is a good.

I mean, it's still Bong Joon-ho, so, like, still go see it. Okay. All right. But you don't need to, like, stop everything and get there. Okay. Okay. Well, I take it by you talking about that movie that we've shifted into the talk and TV portion of the show, which means, can we talk about the baldons?

Could we talk about the baldons? You know what? I have a story that I can launch a news story, a newspeg, we call it, that we can launch into this because last night, which was Tuesday night in New York City, Alec and Hilaria Baldwin hosted the grand reopening of Times Square's planet Hollywood. Now, did you know, you said you knew someone that was going to this? I follow an influence, a New York City influencer who went to it. And so I freaked out because I was like, I don't know this person. It is an Instagram follow. But it's like, it's like,

You have a parissocial relationship with this. You do have a parasocial relationship with them. Parassocial relationship with them. You know how there's like influencers that are just like very hyper local. And there's just like a realm of New York City influencers that they just do they make like really janky targeted ads and they do like really budget events. And this was one of those. So the so I got to this person, this influencer I follow was going to this and they were so excited. And they were so excited. they posted the lineup. The lineup included Boy George, 50 cent, and Pete Davidson was there and Whoopi was there, but I don't think they performed. But this planet Hollywood reopening in Times Square story is like, this is what Alec, this is the work that they can get. This is Alec and Hilaria. I did see lots of shots of them doing little promotional photos. I wanted to shout out the comment, the top comment on this page six article about this. opening was from a commenter named crusty old man who wrote maybe Alec could tell stories about what he did at Epstein Island. Oh my God. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Get out. It's got it.

So yeah. So that that is an indicator of the type of work that the baldwins are getting. And we did watch episode three. God, I wish we could have gone, though. I really wish we could have gone to the opening. I would have, I would have gone if I could have gone. I would have gone. I should I like places like Planet Hollywood. It is hilarious to be that it was Alec and Hilaria hosting it. I also finally followed her on Instagram. I was trying not to because I didn't want to. You follow her on Instagram now?

I wasn't, I didn't want to give her the satisfaction, but I also don't want to miss an update. I understand. Is that morally compromised of me? I can unfollow her. Manuel not included. We have to know when the book drops, even though we do know I've already preordered it. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

I shouldn't give her. I don't want to go. But again, we're going to be reading the book so you guys don't have to. Don't buy the book. I don't even want to give her any money, but I'll do it. Don't do it. Yeah, yeah, don't buy the book. And you know what?

I spoke last week about how I was being played like a fiddle by Alec Baldwin because he is unfortunately still very charismatic. But you know what? All of that is gone this week because this episode somehow, episode three of the Baldwin's, more shameless, shameful, both, than the. the previous two combined. It's, it is morally reprehensible. And I no longer feel sympathy for him. How are they able to do this? I know. Like, even in the show, didn't they say like, the case is dismissed, but Alec really shouldn't be talking about any of these, but like, isn't that literally what they're doing

on a huge television show? This episode, this is a great question. This episode starts with, they are finally going to the trial in New Mexico. The first two episodes are building up to that. They go to the trial in New Mexico. She brings the extremely parentified 10 year old and the baby. And she's never left her kids before except to have more babies, et cetera, et cetera. They go and will they... Which how many times I feel like they're really like, I've never been away from each other day.

I was like, oh my God, can we please for a moment? I'm so sick. I was so, I had to keep pausing the episode that I was like, this woman, I know both of them. He's also like with all the bullshit of like, is it Survivor's Guilt? Can you say Survivor's Guilt? This is, there's a, I'm reading a Reddit thread recap. Can you say Survivors' guilt? A bunch of people are like, you can't say Survivors' guilt when you're the one who did it, even if it was an accident.

Like you weren't a victim of this, of this, you know, incident. Like, yeah, I don't, I don't, I'll let a therapist sway in on that. But I felt a little bit bad for him. You're right in the first two episodes. And then this one hit, I was like, I don't, but he, of course he's traumatized. I do feel sad for that. This show is just a blatant effort to get him rebranded so he can work again. And yeah, it's so, it's so, so gross.

So it's all, oh, we finally, we've, goodbye, adios, children, will you ever see her papa again? and they go and exact quote by the way I know I just feel like I can't not do the like at least a cartoonish version of her accent I'm being racist but we're literally imitating her like it's

it's so uncomfortable she is so weird how she talks this way and the more she talks about the tragedy the stronger the accent gets it is like the the ability to which she pretends to be speaking English as a second language is directly related to whether or not they are talking about Rust. Yes, and also whether or not, I swear, whether or not she's in front of Alec. I feel like

when she's away from him, she turns it up more because I feel like she can get away with more. And when she's with him. And maybe this is me looking too far into it. Maybe this is just you were watching and, like you're listening in real time to me, truly every episode by episode. hate a person I've never met. And that's like something I try not to do. You know, I'm not wanting to just live in hate. I hate her. Yeah, that's the thing.

I know sometimes we go hard on celebrities and not everybody always agree with who we go hard on or who we go soft on. We generally try not to be haters here. Like, we try to be thoughtful. I hate her persona. I hate everything she's putting out. I shouldn't say I hate her as a person because I feel even bad saying that. But like I dislike all of this. What she is doing is so baffling and what both of them are doing.

And you see it when you watch the show produced by Alec and Hilaria Baldwin. They are making this. Like he is not some like hapless, you know, bumbling like, oh, they put cameras on me. I don't know. He's making this, right? And so and this was a huge unforced error by the prosecution where they had this evidence that they didn't turn over. So it was basically that the trial kind of like ended because of, you know, the defense didn't get evidence

that the prosecutors had should have turned over so it was kind of like it was a mistake right and so he ends up you know he's free and they keep talking about it like we can finally start our lives

we can finally start our lives and it's such a tasteless way to talk about like the accidental exoneration from a wrong that still very much happened and they're just like finally we can stop dealing with that the wane of this landslaught and

like I get it that having having potential incarceration looming over you for two years would be incredibly traumatic and stressful, right? But it is, they little, the whole tone shifts, they fly back from New Mexico and it's like,

like, what are we going to do? So silly little manslaughter trials over. What is, I had made a mention of this and it's in the, I think we're looking at the same Reddit article about Alec talking about how like, it takes patience to raise a child. You know, it's odd.

I've been all these patients raised in seven children. And it's him inside of the car watching a nanny struggle with three children. And they're all like, and he's talking about this looking out at it in the car. And I was like, I thought I was like, yeah, a lot of patience that you have to be having. Yeah, very difficult to watch the poor nanny being overwrought by three children. It takes patience to watch that, MJ. All right. Do you realize what he has to go through to watch the nannies go through this?

The other standout moment is when he's trying to talk about they, if they weren't such horrible people, this part would be interesting, which is they're trying to talk about, you know, how do you talk to the kids about this? Like, you don't want to pretend something bad isn't happening because they can pick up on it. but also like this is really a really intense thing and you don't necessarily want them to know all of the details. And this is something, you know, I think about as a parent a lot. Like if something, if I'm upset about, you know, the election or something happening in the world, like or something happening in interpersonally, you know, I really like Dr. Becky. And she always says, like, the kids will know if something's going on. And it's scarier for them to be alone in it than to not, than it is for them to know what's going on, even if what's going on is scary. And so it's an interesting parenting question. but because they are horrible, the way that they deal with this, like there's this scene where they're both on the couch doing the interview. And Alec is like, you know, kids, kids are interesting. They really, they have their emotions and they, you know, they don't know what to do with them. And then sometimes they just, they just shut them down and they don't process them and they move past. And Hilaria just goes, what are you talking about? You're so wrong. That's not at all what

happens. That's not what our kids are like at all. And she just like negs him on camera in a way that if you were having dinner with them, it would be uncomfortable. You would be like, oh my God. But instead millions of people are watching it. It's like the type of moment between a married couple that is just really, really uncomfortable. But they think they're coming off as like zany. Like the whole like, orange going to add avocado. do you all this on sandwich I won't everybody David and it's like

that whole like ordering food situation was like every scene between them both I'm just like is the first time you've ever

spoken to each other yes their relationship is really again this really uncomfortable like you would not want to go out

for ice cream with them it's and can we not I'd rather not get ice cream, then spend time with them. And I think that I would say that even has a child. I'd be like, you know what, mother? I'll skip the ice cream more today. And like, yeah, it's the way that

that Hillary talks to the 10 year old, I keep saying she's parentified because she's literally said, like, I'm responsible for taking care of my brothers and sisters. And also she's so young, but she, I thought that she was much older than that just with like, and I will say probably because of childhood trauma of how she carries herself and how she carries herself and how. how she, like, it is very, it's very interesting the way, how camera ready she is. And it kind of creeps me out. And Hilaria has that relationship. She's like, we just have that, we just tell each other everything.

It's like that. It reminds me of, and we love her, Jess from Love is Blind, who talked about, like, who would, like, you know, kind of like, the way she talked about her 10 year old is like, you know, you don't really, again, I try so hard not to judge other parents, but if a 10 year old is in a situation where they're like, you're confident. You don't really want to be the parents like confidant for traumatic issues, which is the position that the 10 year old is in.

And so it's just like there's a lot going on. Again, I feel like we need like a team of therapists. Like we need a therapist to talk about like the issues going on with the guilt around the tragedy. We need like a therapist to talk about what the parenting. We need like a couple's therapist to talk about how they talk to each other. It is just an onslaught of like the worst possible discomfort you can feel as a human being for the entire episode. Yep.

Just from watching a television show that we are choosing to watch. And again, we're doing it so you guys don't have to. We fall on the sword, you know. I think that like it's and again, I say that just because, uh, I don't want you guys to give them the ratings. But they, it's already going to get picked. You know, it's like we're going to keep watching it. I am sick with, do you think that they make like a bonus every time they play the 911 call? Like, do you think that that's something that they try to work in, like trying to see maybe there's like a bet somewhere to see how many times they can play the 911 call and get away with it and not have people riot?

I don't know. And part of me wants to be like, you know what, if you're going to make the show, you should have never acknowledged the rust shooting. But obviously that would be worse. You can't do that either. No, they shouldn't have done the show, MJ. It's really what it is. They shouldn't be doing this show. None of this should be happening.

There are shows that should be being made. And MJ, welcome, welcome to the world of severance. I am all caught up with severance right now. But you are just, which I had no idea, MJ. You're just starting the first season. Where are we at? I don't want to ruin anything for you. So I'm not going to talk about anything.

I'm so early. It's so I'm like, I'm, so excited to be starting severance, but you know, that thing, it's like when you're starting a paper and it's too, you start the paper 24 hours before it's due, which I would never do because I have way too much anxiety. I'm a work aheader, and I'm married to a procrastinator, and it's very interesting. But I look at severance and I'm just like, how will I ever get to where everyone else is? Because there is, we are at the beginning, we are at season one. We're a couple of episodes in. And I love it. It's like, it's just so good. Like, it's so good. Honestly, I felt that way back in the day with succession. I remember when like two seasons that had already come out and I was like, I know it's really good. Everyone's telling me how good it is.

I just got to like steal myself for like really well written drama. And then like I jumped in and I was like, I get it. Like I feel like it was like me sliding down the slide. Like I understand. And with the show like Severance too, I'm like, oh my God, where will it go? You know, it's like you can tell there's so much potential for what will happen. So nothing has been spoiled for you. I have no idea.

Fun, fun, fun, fun. I think that is the beauty of the buried Apple TV shows is that even though a lot, obviously, Severance is a huge show, but I still feel like they're not talked about as widely as like the Netflix shows, as, you know, the Discover shows, that kind of stuff. No, totally. I was talking about it. My brother was like, wait, what's Safferance about? And I told them. And he was like, I thought it was like a, he was like, I kept seeing ads for it.

I thought it was like a workplace comedy. He was like, I keep seeing Adam Scott and like an office. And I was like, what is this? Adam Scott is so good in it. He is great. It's the whole thing. He only gets better. Really?

Yeah, he's really good in it. I started it because Marcus told us that it is his, maybe his favorite show. And so I started, even though I knew there was no way I would catch up by the time we spoke to Marcus this week for this show. But yeah, so I'm new and I am trying to desperately avoid current severance. I bet. discourse. If there's anything you can tell me about, I mean, I don't know, I want you to be able to talk about season two, but also I'm in season one. Don't worry about it. It's really good. That's all I'm going to say. All I'm saying is it's really good.

It's worth renewing your Apple subscription for it. Very much so. The second season is definitely trying more, even more than the first season did. So I feel that a lot of people are not as like they're saying that the second season is not as good as the first season. But I like what they're fleshing out in the second season. I like what we're getting to know. And I think that some people are upset about that. But I like getting to know the characters more. So I'm all aboard. I'm here.

Oh, give me as much fucking Patricia Arquette as you're going to fucking give me. I love it. And I don't want to ruin anything for you, MJ. so I will leave it there, but I will say that I did say to MJ before we started recording that I can't get into, obviously, Traders Season 3 with MJ, but for everybody that watches Traders Season 3, can we please compare the Love is Blind reunion

to the Traders 3 reunion because that reunion was so great. That last episode was so great. This whole season was so good. and I would do anything for Bob the Drag Queen and just like in the reunion was fun, there was fire, it was great. There was, but it was the same kind of thing too, though they did the same thing as Love is Blind

when they bring, and I'm like, although with traders I was way down to talk to everybody as opposed to Love is Blind when they brought everyone. I'm like, do we really need to have everybody come out here right now? And they were like, let's bring in the people who haven't seen for weeks. I also want to scream real quick, but the love is.

blind reunion, when they kept showing the, like, greatest moments from years gone by, who gives a fuck? And they weren't even there. Why were they showing those moments? Didn't they do that in the last fucking reunion? Who cares? We learned in the last reunion that we don't want to see the old people that are still in love. We don't care.

We moved on. They were trying to still follow them on Instagram. If we want to know if they're still married, follow them on Instagram. Yes, yes. And Amber and Barnett are still married and she's pregnant and we're happy for them. We're happy for them. Yeah, no, they were trying very hard to make a lot of like lore, to make it like love is blind as it's so, like there's so much lower. The ecosystem of love is blind. Because it's been five years.

And the thing is, 90 day. I'm sorry, love is blind. Unfortunately, nobody wants to think about the fact that it's been five years because yes, that means it's been five years since the pandemic started. And all of us have an immense unprocessed trauma that we are. are all, we've all agreed to society. We're never going to process it. We ignore it. We pretend it didn't happen. We ignore the impact it had on our children. We ignore the impact it had on our own psychology. We ignore the impact that had on public health. So we can't talk about love is blind. Only reason love is blind is so popular is because it came out. I mean,

maybe that's not true. I want to know an alternate timeline. If that had come out and life was completely normal, would it have been the phenomenon that it was, right? Whoa. Interesting thought experiment. It is. It is. It's like the thought experiment we did over at our new patron show Celebrities, where we did the thought experiment, what timeline would we be living in if Britney Spears had said yes to the movie Chicago and had also been cast in the notebook, which those two things almost happened. Not just in the notebook, as the main character. Rachel McAdams. Yeah, as the Alley character. In the notebook. And she was going for the Renee Zellweger character in Chicago. But again, go check out. Celebrities. We are reading The Woman and Me by Britney Spears right now. over on the Patreon and we are going to be dropping episodes for that every Wednesday. So come join us. So we've got Jackie's book club on Mondays and then we've got celebrities on Wednesdays and the show is a recap show. So you don't have to read along with us or you can if you want to. So up to you, come check us out. You don't have to do anything. We're just chatting. But yeah, so the love is blind. I've been thinking about the, you know, five year anniversary of the pandemic just because that's happening literally right now. And like it was a year, five, years ago today on this day, March 12th as we record that I came like we stopped leaving the house. And like love is blind will always be inextricably linked with that to me. And so for the fact that they were just like celebrating five years. I was just like, this is so weird. And then who was

that man who came out to sing at the end? I was like, what am I seeing? Do know. You guys, what you have lost the plot. Yeah. They really have. Truly, this show needs to end. It has it has done more than run its course. It has been like, remember that episode where I was trying to say beat a dead horse, and I said hammer a horse. This horse is hammered. It is hammered. Oh, it is, man. It's got fucking beers in a tubes.

And it is asking to be desettled and put to bed. How drunk is your horse is your horse? How drunk is your horse? I'm really sad because I just saw Love on the Spectrum season three. And I was like, oh, is that coming out soon? And it's not premiering until April 2nd. What are we going to watch next? That's soon, ish.

I guess. I guess it's in a couple of weeks. So that's fine. I guess I didn't realize how far into March we already were. I'm fine. Everything's fine. I did start Dr. Odyssey and I've got to say, I am only watching this show because of you, Jackie. MJ, wait till you get to the second episode at the Singles Cruise. Okay. All right. I am still in the pilot. I am going to give it a chance, but I'm just like, wow. It is bad. Do you see why I wanted to do a recap show of it? It is so. dumb and it just gets dumber MJ. It is so dumb and for

anybody that is looking for a show to just shut if you're not into a housewives, if you're not into a reality watch Dr. Odyssey. It is white noise. It is like barely, it is you'll like look up every two minutes being like, what is happening now?

Wait, what emergency is that? Especially watching it coinciding with the pit. I was going to say it's so very funny watching it. with the pit, which is so like studiously, carefully realistic. And then in the pilot, in the first 10 minutes, someone has given themselves iodine poisoning from eating too many shrimp. Too many shrimp.

I am dying. But it's great because I'm over, I can't get through an episode of the pit without crying 10 times. 10 times. I am, it's just like a steady stream at this point of. just silent tears as I watch it. And every time before, oh, I mean, now we're all caught up. But it's like before every episode, Jeff would be like, you ready for this?

Are you okay? You can you do this? I'm like, yes, yes. Put it on. Put the next episode on. I was thinking about this. We talked about it with Marcus. We recommended it so wholeheartedly.

I think it was probably clear to anyone who's listening. But if you're thinking about starting the pit and you do have medical trauma, just check in with yourself about that. Because, you know, I have a little bit of medical trauma. And I'm still enjoying the pit. But it is something that you're just going to want to make sure you're in a good place for it. before you tune in, because it is incredibly detailed and accurate and realistic, but it's very good.

And Dr. Addisi is the opposite. Yes. And Joshua Jackson is there. It is the exact opposite. I also just made a really weird face because I was like, oh, but when is the Secret Live of Mormon Wives coming out? Not until May 15th. May.

Oh my God. I have to be made for Manuel, not included, and for Secret Lives and Mormon Wives? Yes. But, you know, Jen Affleck is, you know, bad. She's put herself into a wellness. This is a different Affleck, the one that is not connected to Ben Affleck, even though she said that she was on the show. Jen Affleck, you know, we wish you well. And I can't wait to find out if Mom Talk has survived this.

I think it has. I think it's still going. I hope that Mom Talk survives this, but I hope that her marriage does not. I really, really need that marriage to end. And I hope she's in the Wellness Center because she is getting divorced. That's my biggest hope for her. Oh, that's why it's everywhere. like why is everyone talking about Secret Lives?

Because the season two trailer just dropped. That's why I got excited and then let down all in one go. You know what I mean? But that's why it dropped. Anyway, thank you guys so much for joining us on this week's episode of Second Helpings. I hope you'll fool up because mama lacks a baby when she's full of food.

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